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Exposing the Dark Money Assault on RFK Jr.: Evita + Calley Means (Ep.127) · V

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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Bongina Report Early Edition. Today
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Speaker 1: I'm joined by a special guest, Callie Means, a former
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Speaker 1: food and pharmaceutical consultant who has since reversed course pretty dramatically,
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Speaker 1: founded TrueMed and dedicated his life to fighting the metabolic
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Speaker 1: disease crisis in this country. Callie, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being here.
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Speaker 2: Oh, so great to be here.
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Speaker 1: And I want to talk to you about RFK Junior's confirmation,
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Speaker 1: give all of the viewers the inside scoop on what's
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Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes. But first, I got to ask you,
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Speaker 1: what made you quit consulting for big food and big
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Speaker 1: pharma to where you are right now? How'd you get here?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the healthcare and the food industries are
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Speaker 3: the two largest in the country when taken by employees.
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Speaker 3: So It's not to make an excuse, but a lot
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Speaker 3: of folks in this country, a lot of good folks,
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Speaker 3: a lot of our friends, I'm sure, right, are working
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Speaker 3: in the healthcare and the food sectors. And what I
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Speaker 3: saw there is just as a demonstrable statement of fact,
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Speaker 3: 95% of the healthcare industry makes money when people are
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Speaker 3: sick and loses money when they're healthy.
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Speaker 2: We all know doctors.
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Speaker 3: We probably know people that work in the pharmaceutical or
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Speaker 3: insurance industries that the incentives of these industries are larger
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Speaker 3: than any one person. They just demonstrably, in order to
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Speaker 3: hit quarterly growth, require interventions on more and more sick Americans.
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Speaker 3: So through the benefit of having my amazing sister, Dr.
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Speaker 3: Casey Maynes, who was a Stanford-trained surgeon and really saw
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Speaker 3: these incentives from that side and left and became an
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Speaker 3: advocate and piecing together insights when my mom.
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Speaker 2: Abruptly died of.
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Speaker 3: Cancer in 2021, which really reinforced a lot of these ideas,
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Speaker 3: seeing how she really was let down by the medical system.
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Speaker 3: We formed a thesis that really isn't punitive on my
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Speaker 3: previous experience or really any of the experiences so many
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Speaker 3: people we know that operate in these industries.
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Speaker 2: Have. This is larger than any one person.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's what Bobby Kennedy really channeled, what
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Speaker 3: Casey and I have tried to channel in our book.
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Speaker 3: is that when you step out of it a little bit,
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Speaker 3: we just have an invisible hand of incentives where the
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Speaker 3: food industry profits when food is cheaper and more addictive.
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Speaker 3: And that's what ultra processed food is. And that's what
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Speaker 3: I saw working for the food industry. They're trying to
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Speaker 3: add these chemicals into food to make it hyper palatable,
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Speaker 3: hyper addictive, market it to children.
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Speaker 2: It's just basic business. You get people hooked early.
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Speaker 3: And then the medical system isn't asking why people are
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Speaker 3: getting sick. They're asking how can we prescribe more drugs,
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Speaker 3: do more interventions on the sick Americans as their business model.
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Speaker 3: So Bobby Kennedy has really awakened people to those incentives.
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Speaker 3: And I think a spiritual challenge of reversing those, you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to let myself off the hook from
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Speaker 3: back in the day, but I was, you know, the
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Speaker 3: frog in boiling water like so many other people. And
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Speaker 3: I think it's just all of our obligations to try
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Speaker 3: to call this out and steer the world in a
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Speaker 3: better direction.
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Speaker 1: Something that I've been seeing a lot on social media,
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Speaker 1: especially on TikTok, you'll see these moms and they'll like
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Speaker 1: feed their kids and it'll be like this awful meal.
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Speaker 4: But in the comments, they'll be like, don't judge. This
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Speaker 4: is totally fine. It's like all ultra processed foods.
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Speaker 1: And part of it, I think, is that like we
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Speaker 1: haven't been raised with healthy eating habits for a long time.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing is that this food is really addictive.
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Speaker 1: And you'll still see doctors and, you know, people who
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Speaker 1: are supposed to tell us what what will make us
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Speaker 1: healthy that, oh, it's okay to, you should eat mostly
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Speaker 1: natural and, and unprocessed food, unprocessed foods, but it's okay
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Speaker 1: to sometimes have them. And my only, my question to you, Callie,
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Speaker 1: is it, is it feels like because it's so addictive
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Speaker 1: that it's almost like, oh, you can have a little
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Speaker 1: bit of heroin and then you, then you'll be fine.
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Speaker 1: Like how should people, how should people, break that addiction?
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Speaker 1: And is it okay to cheat every once in a while?
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this narrative that it's all right.
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Speaker 4: Every once in a while?
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Speaker 3: It's a great question. So I think you hit it
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Speaker 3: top down. We have a mass addiction crisis. And working
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Speaker 3: for the food industry, what they realized, and I talk
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Speaker 3: about this a lot, the cigarette industry in the 1990s
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Speaker 3: actually bought up processed food makers. So Philip Morris and R.J.
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Speaker 3: Reynolds were the two largest food producers in the United
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Speaker 3: States in the 1990s. And as smoking rates were going down,
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Speaker 3: they actually realized an opportunity where they could shift their
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Speaker 3: addiction scientists to the food department. And they realized, and
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Speaker 3: this was very calculated, that they can add addictive chemicals
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Speaker 3: into food, which is a much better market than cigarettes
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Speaker 3: because we all have to eat it. And you could
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Speaker 3: actually obfuscate the addictive qualities to make the argument from
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Speaker 3: a public policy lens that people need this stuff to eat.
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Speaker 3: And then weaponize social media influencers eventually, which they do,
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Speaker 3: shaming anyone for questioning what people eat and saying that's
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Speaker 3: body shaming. And there's a whole movement that you shouldn't
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Speaker 3: vilify any food. And that's actually the predominant view in
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Speaker 3: the nutrition industry now when you go to nutrition panels
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Speaker 3: where it's like, let's not vilify any food. And those
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Speaker 3: nutrition panels are paid for by.
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Speaker 2: The food industry. So we just need to understand that.
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Speaker 3: And I think that flows into why, you know, and
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Speaker 3: how problematic it is that the medical system, the nutrition
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Speaker 3: science system has been co-opted. Because why do we have
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Speaker 3: this situation where it's like shoulder shrug? Oh, you know,
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Speaker 3: that's all the parent could afford. Oh, you know, you
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Speaker 3: can have a cheat day once in a while. When
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Speaker 3: that's not the stance of the medical system when it
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Speaker 3: comes to adhering to a pharmaceutical schedule or kids taking
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Speaker 3: drugs or when we had to lock down the country
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Speaker 3: for COVID. You know, the medical system, the public health
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Speaker 3: authorities are very good when there's a crisis of saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, there's no ifs, ands or buts here. We
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Speaker 3: need to get we need to get in shape here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we shut the country down in like a
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Speaker 3: couple of days. You know, parents are war criminals for
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Speaker 3: not adhering to a 72 shot schedule.
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Speaker 2: There's no nuance on that.
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to nutrition, for some reason, when
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Speaker 3: we have a metabolic health crisis, an obesity crisis, a
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Speaker 3: cancer crisis, a diabetes crisis among kids. It's kind of
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Speaker 3: a shoulder shrug. So I do think this is a
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Speaker 3: weaponization of addiction. It's a weaponization of the medical system.
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Speaker 3: As far as cheat days, I mean, you know, we
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Speaker 3: don't have cheat days for heroin. We don't have cheat
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Speaker 3: days for cocaine. That's not part of the rubric. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, I think we all need to be on
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Speaker 3: our own journeys. But I do think we need to
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Speaker 3: realize we are poisoning ourselves with food. Ultra processed food
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Speaker 3: is extremely addictive. And we need to treat unwinding ourselves
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Speaker 3: from our ultra-processed food addiction similar to a drug addiction crisis.
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Speaker 1: You're so articulate as you lay all that out, Callie.
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Speaker 1: And it's crazy because it seems like, oh, everything you're
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Speaker 1: saying makes sense.
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Speaker 4: And no, we haven't been hearing it. I mean, I
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Speaker 4: didn't growing up. You know, it's really a recent thing.
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Speaker 1: Maha is a very new movement that's sort of been
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Speaker 1: spearheaded by RFK Jr. And you're a huge part of that.
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Speaker 1: And I want to get to his hearing because his
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Speaker 1: hearing is scheduled today. Wednesday, you're a friend, you're an ally,
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Speaker 1: you have been working tirelessly to get RFK Jr. confirmed
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Speaker 1: over the finish line. What's the biggest obstacle that he's
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Speaker 1: facing on Wednesday?
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Speaker 2: We have a huge obstacle right now.
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Speaker 3: And that obstacle is that these common sense beliefs, I
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Speaker 3: would call it a spiritual discussion about the lack of
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Speaker 3: respect we now have for the interconnectivity of our body
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Speaker 3: and our children's lives and these you know, basic concepts like,
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Speaker 3: you know, having more awe and curiosity about what we're
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Speaker 3: putting into our child's bodies. These spiritual topics were hit
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Speaker 3: on by Bobby Kennedy and President Trump during the campaign.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of us felt it. This was
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Speaker 2: larger than politics.
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Speaker 3: There was something so exciting that was struck in the
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Speaker 3: political conversation about that this is much larger than a
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Speaker 3: single Medicare or Medicaid, you know, Part D, you know,
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Speaker 3: healthcare policy document. This is a spiritual issue that Bobby
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Speaker 3: hit on. And I think the biggest risk is that
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Speaker 3: as Bobby's been dragged in and this process has been
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Speaker 3: dragged into politics, we're losing sight of that spiritual strain.
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Speaker 3: And now you just have complete and utter weaponization of
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Speaker 3: the process. I mean, you have Mike Pence, his group
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Speaker 3: is literally taking.
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Speaker 2: Money from the pharmaceutical industry.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, I think we both care very deeply
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Speaker 3: about the life issue and the pro-life issue. And it's
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Speaker 3: a vital issue, possibly the most important issue. But it's
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Speaker 3: very cynical when Mike Pence's pro-life group takes money from
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Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical industry and then uses the life issue, which
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Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy has been very clear that he's going to
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Speaker 3: fully adhere to President Trump's pro-life agenda to judge us.
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Speaker 2: They weaponize that issue and they're running out.
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Speaker 3: The help of Leonard Leo, who's the most powerful right-wing
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Speaker 3: donor in the country. So you have the Wall Street
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Speaker 3: Journal editorial board, which is now just a fully owned
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Speaker 3: subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry saying, you know, that Bobby's
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Speaker 3: going to be dangerous because he's going to do continued
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Speaker 3: research on pharmaceutical products. So you've got a lot of
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Speaker 3: negativity right now.
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Speaker 2: And what we need to do.
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Speaker 3: Is as support people and millions of people that came,
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Speaker 3: you know, and we came to the Republican coalition because
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Speaker 3: of Maha and many millions of people and moms particularly did.
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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that senators and everyone knows
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Speaker 3: that this is something we cannot get wrong. This is
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Speaker 3: a generational opportunity to protect kids and we can't get
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Speaker 3: dragged into this negativity. But that negativity is seeping through
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Speaker 3: right now. So we've got to fight this week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kelly, let's just back up for a second because
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Speaker 1: you mentioned this public relations firm that's chaired by Federalist
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Speaker 1: Society co-chair, Leonardo Leo. He's assisting in this effort to
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Speaker 1: derail RFK Jr. by promoting Mike Pence's Advocacy American Freedom Organization,
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Speaker 1: that's the name of it, and they're lobbying senators to
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Speaker 1: oppose RFK Jr.
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Speaker 4: 's confirmation.
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Speaker 1: And you have, so basically, conservatives fighting RFK Jr. How
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Speaker 1: does the big pharma play into, in the background of
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Speaker 1: this movement against RFK Jr. that's being, you know, billed
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Speaker 1: as a pro-life advocacy movement?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is old school, broken corporate republicanism. You know,
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Speaker 3: back 15 years ago when I worked for the food
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Speaker 3: and pharma industry, it.
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Speaker 2: Was, right, it was hypocrisy. I don't even try to
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Speaker 2: pronounce that word.
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Speaker 3: It was hypocrisy to attack these great industries like the
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Speaker 3: food and the pharma industry.
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Speaker 2: If you as a young conservative, you.
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Speaker 3: Were celebrating the pharma industry and any encroachment on them
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Speaker 3: was totally inappropriate. What I realized, and I think that
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Speaker 3: the country has realized with President Trump's focus on the
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Speaker 3: swamp and focus on corporate cronyism, is that It's not
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Speaker 3: a free market principle when these companies and these industries
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Speaker 3: hijack the government, when 75% of the FDA is funded
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Speaker 3: by the pharmaceutical industry and the NIH is making hundreds
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Speaker 3: of millions of dollars of royalties from pharma drugs during COVID.
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Speaker 3: That's a broken market. And unfortunately, you still have this swamp.
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Speaker 3: And literally, who has done great things, who has gotten
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Speaker 3: some of our Supreme Court justices through, but His firm
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Speaker 3: is a wash and farm of money. And this is
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Speaker 3: what I did. This is what I saw with working
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Speaker 3: for them. What you do is you take hot button issues.
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Speaker 3: You take race. You take gender. You take issues like life.
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Speaker 3: And you try to steer money to them and weaponize
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Speaker 3: that issue. It's just like at Coca-Cola 15 years ago.
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Speaker 3: I talked about how we used to pay the NAACP
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Speaker 3: to say that it was racist to take a soda
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Speaker 3: off a food stamp. We racialized the issue. right now,
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Speaker 3: very cynically, the pharmaceutical industry is adding the life issue
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Speaker 3: into this. And I think it's really inappropriate that Mike
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Speaker 3: Pence is using himself, you know, to make a quick
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Speaker 3: buck to get back at President Trump by, you know,
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Speaker 3: using the life issue to be this pharma kind of front.
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Speaker 3: Because I've seen these discussions and, you know, Bobby's been
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Speaker 3: very clear on this. You He is not there to
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Speaker 3: do anything other than promote President Trump's pro-life agenda. He
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Speaker 3: is here to save life, to save American kids.
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Speaker 2: So unfortunately, this is still part of the playbook. I
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Speaker 2: can't speak to Leonard Leo's motivations.
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Speaker 3: You know, he's a very powerful, you know, probably the
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Speaker 3: biggest checkbook in Republican politics. But, you know, I think
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Speaker 3: we both agree we got we have a generational moment
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Speaker 3: here with President Trump. I mean, we've seen what he's
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Speaker 3: done in the first week. Bobby Kennedy is such an
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Speaker 3: important part of this coalition. And as conservatives, we shouldn't
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Speaker 3: be playing these games. It's very inappropriate for Vice President
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Speaker 3: Pence to be doing this and for Lyndon Lito to
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Speaker 3: be doing this. They need to support President Trump's call,
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Speaker 3: his unimpeachable call to work with Bobby Kennedy to get
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Speaker 3: to the bottom of why kids are getting sick. I mean,
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Speaker 3: why they would stand in the way in this is
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Speaker 3: just beyond me.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's very telling. And it's also interesting.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have Big Pharma is supporting this pro-life
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Speaker 1: front to how Big Pharma is. I mean, that includes
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Speaker 1: the abortion industry. Is this lost on everybody here?
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Speaker 4: So, and then the other thing is- Well, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, gender-affirming care.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're also- Right. Just as Big Pharma is
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Speaker 3: supporting Mike Pence's front, they're the biggest supporter of these
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Speaker 3: LGBTQ groups because you're making billions of dollars on gender
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Speaker 3: transition surgery.
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Speaker 2: The The pharmaceutical industry right now is the.
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Speaker 3: Lifeblood of the LGBTQ activist community, particularly on the trans issue,
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Speaker 3: because they're making billions and billions and billions of dollars
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Speaker 3: on gender transition surgery on kids. You know, they are
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Speaker 3: the foundational donor pharma to the American Medical Association, which
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Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy is going to take on because they make
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Speaker 3: our medical codes, which underlie Medicare, Medicaid. And those codes
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Speaker 3: to this day say there's no.
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Speaker 2: Age limit for gender affirming care. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: To this day, a two-year-old under the current American Medical
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Speaker 3: Association codes could get gender-affirming care, and they still have
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Speaker 3: a document on their website saying that early intervention on
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Speaker 3: that is good. So these are the type of forces
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Speaker 3: we're dealing with. And as somebody, and I know you,
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Speaker 3: I assume, agree that the pro-life issue being very important,
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Speaker 3: using these issues in this cynical way is very, very
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Speaker 3: upsetting and should be called out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's totally wrong. It's totally hypocritical
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Speaker 1: and backward. And I'll also say, you know, Mike Pence is,
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Speaker 1: is a lover of forever wars. You might not want
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Speaker 1: to comment on this, but I'll say to my viewers,
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Speaker 1: he's a lover of forever wars. He's a neocon and
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Speaker 1: he supported wars across the world for decades that have
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Speaker 1: resulted in the slaughter of millions of people.
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Speaker 4: So not very pro-life in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Well, they're doing the same thing to Tulsi.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're using the same, you know, we need
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Speaker 3: to get the, what happened to Pete, Pete Hegseth It
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Speaker 3: is completely and utterly unacceptable that three Republicans were allowed
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Speaker 3: to fall in line. I mean, President Trump has a
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Speaker 3: generational mandate here. And I think these senators need to
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Speaker 3: know that there is hell to pay. I mean, how
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Speaker 3: is Mitch McConnell, quite frankly, still one of the chairmen
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Speaker 3: of the major defense subcommittees on appropriations? Um, you know,
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Speaker 3: there needs to be massive consequences here. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: frankly think John Thune needs to step up here. I mean, this, we,
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Speaker 3: we need to execute the president's bold reform agenda here and,
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Speaker 3: and Tulsi needs to get in there. Bobby needs to
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Speaker 3: get in there. Um, this is the week where we
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Speaker 3: need to be speaking up about this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Electoral consequences for sure. I mean, if you think about
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Speaker 1: somebody like Lisa Murkowski, right, she's from Alaska. This is
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Speaker 1: a state that won Trump, I believe by 13 points.
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Speaker 1: So the mandate is with the people in Alaska, and
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Speaker 1: yet their senator is saying, oh, yeah, we're going to
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Speaker 1: go against his nominees, not confirm them.
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Speaker 4: It's completely backward. It makes no sense.
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Speaker 1: And she deserves to be punished by the people that
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Speaker 1: she supposedly represents. You're 100% right about that. Now, something
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Speaker 1: that's interesting about RFK Jr. is a December survey that
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Speaker 1: found that Americans across the political spectrum are widely supportive
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Speaker 1: of your agenda, of his agenda. They might think RFK Jr.
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Speaker 1: as a person is a little controversial, but the American
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Speaker 1: people at large are on board with Maha. So what
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Speaker 1: is Big Pharma risking, Big Pharma and Big Food, if
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Speaker 1: they successfully derail RFK Jr.
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Speaker 4: 's confirmation? I don't want to say that that'll happen.
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Speaker 4: I don't like to think about that.
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Speaker 1: But if it does, it seems like they're risking, you know,
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Speaker 1: an even greater radicalization of a public that's already totally
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Speaker 1: demoralized and a not trusting of big pharma and big food.
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Speaker 2: The genie's out of the bottle.
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Speaker 3: I think once you see it, and I've been talking
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Speaker 3: with your mom who's been highlighting this issues before anybody.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we were begging two years ago, please talk
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Speaker 3: about this issue of children's health.
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Speaker 2: And now I think the genie's out of the.
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Speaker 3: Bottle with Bobby Kennedy and how independent media has been
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Speaker 3: highlighting this. I don't think you can see what's happening
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Speaker 3: to kids where we have a 50% of teens being
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Speaker 3: overweight or obese and it's 3% in Japan where you
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Speaker 3: have this chronic, you know, obviously mental health and disease
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Speaker 3: crisis among kids. I don't think you see that and
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Speaker 3: go back. So I think there's, um, you're right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the most.
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Speaker 3: Popular bipartisan part of president Trump's platform. We, we, we've
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Speaker 3: actually been doing polling with his Trump's lead pollster, John McLaughlin.
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Speaker 3: These are all 80 to 90% issues. I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's just base.
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Speaker 2: So basic, right?
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Speaker 3: Who is against, um, taking soda off of food stamps,
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Speaker 3: which is now poisoning kids 18%. Who is against getting
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Speaker 3: ultra-processed crap like Lunchables out of federally funded school meals?
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Speaker 3: Who is against taking on clear corruption and conflicts of
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Speaker 3: interest at the USDA, FDA, and NIH? Who is against
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Speaker 3: setting the NIH back to doing foundational research instead of
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Speaker 3: R & D for pharma? Who is against taking away
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Speaker 3: power from the American Medical Association, which, as I said,
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Speaker 3: you know, promotes gender affirming care in.
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Speaker 2: Two year olds. Like, like these are all like really,
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Speaker 2: really simple, basic issues.
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Speaker 3: And frankly, issues that have brought to light, you know,
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Speaker 3: no industry can disagree with, you know, who's against pharmaceutical
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Speaker 3: studies being public right now, the FDA studies and the
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Speaker 3: NIH studies aren't even public.
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Speaker 2: When you try to reproduce studies.
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Speaker 3: That, you know, fund that, uh, underlie drug approval, 50%
19:12
Speaker 3: of the studies can't even be reproduced. I mean, when
19:14
Speaker 3: you bring these issues out in the open, That is,
19:18
Speaker 3: you know, nobody disagrees, which I think is why there's
19:21
Speaker 3: such a disconnect between the popularity of these issues and
19:23
Speaker 3: what you said about how people think about RFK. I mean,
19:26
Speaker 3: RFK has been vilified. These folks can't debate the issues themselves,
19:30
Speaker 3: so they don't allow RFK in the press and they
19:33
Speaker 3: call them a whack job.
19:35
Speaker 2: I can't get to my head.
19:36
Speaker 3: I was speaking to, very honestly, with a leading medical
19:40
Speaker 3: school dean, and he said, I'll be honest with you.
19:43
Speaker 3: everyone in the faculty lounge thinks Bobby Kennedy is a
19:46
Speaker 3: complete and utter whack job. But if you change the
19:49
Speaker 3: incentive of the NIH to fund more preventative research, everyone's
19:55
Speaker 3: going to kick and scream. But if that momentum stays
19:58
Speaker 3: in four years, six years, when Bobby's gone and his
20:02
Speaker 3: work of slanting the incentives of our healthcare system to
20:05
Speaker 3: a more preventative angle, it'll become the norm. It'll become
20:08
Speaker 3: the norm. So I don't think Bobby cares. I don't
20:10
Speaker 3: think really anyone cares what they think of him. There
20:12
Speaker 3: is a generational moment right now to take the conflicts
20:17
Speaker 3: out of our healthcare industry and unimpeachably shift our system,
20:21
Speaker 3: our largest industry in the country, towards a more preventative direction.
20:25
Speaker 3: And I think once that momentum starts, it can't stop.
20:28
Speaker 3: And those are the stakes here. Those are the stakes here.
20:31
Speaker 3: That's why we got to get Bobby in.
20:33
Speaker 1: I mean, who's against, I mean, you kind of mentioned
20:36
Speaker 1: it with pharmaceutical studies, but vaccines specifically.
20:39
Speaker 4: I mean, RFK Jr.
20:41
Speaker 1: Has said, let's just have the studies publicly available so
20:44
Speaker 1: we can know how safe they are, what are the
20:46
Speaker 1: efficacy rates. But for some reason, we're not allowed to
20:50
Speaker 1: see those. How is that controversial? To me, that seems
20:53
Speaker 1: just like something that should be a given. The public
20:55
Speaker 1: should be able to see the studies for these jabs
20:58
Speaker 1: that we put.
20:59
Speaker 4: In our arms.
21:00
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about vaccines and vaccines for
21:03
Speaker 1: children because there's a lot of fear-mongering right now that
21:06
Speaker 1: RFK Jr. is going to ban the vaccines. He's going
21:09
Speaker 1: to bring us back to smallpox and the plague and it's,
21:13
Speaker 1: you know, that we're going to have mass devastation because
21:16
Speaker 1: RFK Jr.
21:17
Speaker 4: 's anti-science.
21:18
Speaker 1: What is RFK Jr. 's actual plan for vaccines? And
21:23
Speaker 1: what is your take on what mothers and fathers should
21:27
Speaker 1: know before their kids get those first rounds of injections?
21:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, the stance is this, is that Bobby Kennedy is
21:38
Speaker 3: being criticized for increasing distrust in the public health authorities.
21:43
Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy hasn't done that. The public health authorities have
21:45
Speaker 3: done that. How could any rational person have faith in
21:49
Speaker 3: our public health authorities after COVID?
21:52
Speaker 2: That's just completely irrational.
21:54
Speaker 3: And what he's saying on vaccines is very simple, is
21:57
Speaker 3: that they are pharmaceutical products. They are pharmaceutical products made
22:00
Speaker 3: by companies that have settled vaccines. billions of dollars in
22:04
Speaker 3: criminal penalties for falsifying data. And they might be great,
22:10
Speaker 3: but they should be subjected to science like any other
22:13
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical product. The only thing he's saying about vaccines is
22:17
Speaker 3: that they should be subjected to science. And I don't
22:20
Speaker 3: think anyone disagrees with that. There's so much emotion around
22:25
Speaker 3: the vaccine issue. And The enemies of Bobby use that
22:29
Speaker 3: to kind of obfuscate and to drag them down and to.
22:33
Speaker 2: Really, really scare people.
22:36
Speaker 3: But the only thing he's saying he's going to do
22:39
Speaker 3: is research. Phase one of Maha is getting to the truth.
22:43
Speaker 3: President Trump has said again and again during the campaign
22:47
Speaker 3: that we need to figure out why.
22:49
Speaker 2: Kids are getting sick.
22:50
Speaker 3: Now, there's a multifaceted milieu of issues that are impacting
22:56
Speaker 3: our children's health. You know, obviously, that's food. It's sedentary behavior.
23:01
Speaker 3: It's chronic stress. It's circadian rhythm in sleep. And obviously,
23:07
Speaker 3: it's our proliferation of pharmaceutical products. There are 4.6 billion
23:13
Speaker 3: prescriptions a year. The fact that 40% of teens are
23:18
Speaker 3: on a pharmaceutical product, you know, Vaccines are certainly part
23:22
Speaker 3: of it. We have different schedules in other country. That's
23:24
Speaker 3: certainly a scientifically appropriate area to address.
23:28
Speaker 2: And we need we need to study these things.
23:31
Speaker 3: I mean, it's that simple, you know, and we should
23:34
Speaker 3: be able to ask, you know, why countries have different
23:37
Speaker 3: schedules than us. whether the timing is correct because other
23:42
Speaker 3: countries have different timing.
23:43
Speaker 2: I mean, we should be able to scrutinize this.
23:47
Speaker 3: And just as we should be able to ask what's
23:50
Speaker 3: in our food. So that's what Bobby's saying.
23:54
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really disagrees with it.
23:57
Speaker 3: And something I'll also just note, and Bobby would say this,
24:02
Speaker 3: is he's not a scientist, right?
24:05
Speaker 2: He's not coming in with preconceived notions.
24:08
Speaker 3: Everyone has their opinions, but he is not coming in.
24:10
Speaker 2: With preconceived notions.
24:12
Speaker 3: He is coming in to drive a process and reset
24:15
Speaker 3: science to gold star outcomes. He is coming to give
24:18
Speaker 3: money to the best scientists in the world and have
24:21
Speaker 3: them determine why kids are getting sick. That is President
24:24
Speaker 3: Trump's admonition. He is not coming in to execute any
24:29
Speaker 3: scientific agenda or have any opinions. He is coming in
24:32
Speaker 3: to restore science. I think the goal, really, one of them,
24:37
Speaker 3: of Bobby Kinney's tenure is that President Trump wins the
24:40
Speaker 3: Nobel Prize for resetting science. I mean, the NIH is
24:43
Speaker 3: not scientific right now. They're coming in with preconceived ideas
24:46
Speaker 3: on what they want the state to say. Bobby wants
24:49
Speaker 3: scientists to get money and ask real questions and fearlessly
24:54
Speaker 3: deliver the answers.
24:56
Speaker 1: Well, it seems really reasonable to me. And it's shocking
24:59
Speaker 1: that there are so many people in the corporate media
25:01
Speaker 1: that are getting away with lying about the Maha agenda.
25:06
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about small farms. I grew
25:09
Speaker 1: up in northern Wisconsin. I was surrounded by them, but
25:13
Speaker 1: we still went to Walmart every weekend to get our groceries,
25:18
Speaker 1: largely because small farms are closing down left and right.
25:22
Speaker 1: I know this because I grew up in the Midwest,
25:24
Speaker 1: like I said. Um, and they have trouble selling their food.
25:28
Speaker 4: There's a lot of regulations and restrictions.
25:30
Speaker 1: What can we do, um, to make small farm food
25:35
Speaker 1: available to people, organic food, grass fed beef, um, you know,
25:39
Speaker 1: no corn, soy chickens, you know, it's, it seems like
25:43
Speaker 1: this is just not available. Um, unless you go to
25:46
Speaker 1: a special whole food store, certainly not raw milk, that's
25:49
Speaker 1: not available. Um, And factory farms are the only thing
25:52
Speaker 1: that's profitable. And this is not really something– I don't
25:55
Speaker 1: know how much HHS can be a part of this.
25:57
Speaker 4: It probably has to do with labor and agriculture.
25:58
Speaker 1: But what do we need to do to get more
26:01
Speaker 1: farm-to-table food for people?
26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually think HHS is the central part of it.
26:10
Speaker 3: So here's what I think the opportunity for Bob at
26:14
Speaker 3: HHS is, is that we spend $ 4. 5 trillion a year
26:19
Speaker 3: on health care. Just blue sky, that money from our
26:24
Speaker 3: healthcare budget should be going to the clinically best intervention
26:28
Speaker 3: to prevent and reverse the diseases that are destroying the
26:31
Speaker 3: American people. 90% of the healthcare budget, 90% of healthcare
26:38
Speaker 3: costs and deaths and everything are tied to preventable lifestyle
26:42
Speaker 3: conditions that are largely tied to food. So at the
26:45
Speaker 3: root cause clinically of our health crisis is really getting
26:52
Speaker 3: detached from the earth and detached from our small farmers.
26:58
Speaker 3: It's the result of rank corruption, where in the 1990s,
27:02
Speaker 3: the food pyramid was paid for by the processed food
27:04
Speaker 3: industry and basically said, don't worry about local fresh food.
27:07
Speaker 3: You can eat a bunch of carbs, eat a bunch
27:09
Speaker 3: of garbage. And that led, you know, it seems like
27:13
Speaker 3: your family and my family, like awake families to be like, okay,
27:16
Speaker 3: it's okay. Like the 90s were kind of a dark time.
27:19
Speaker 3: It's like we listened to the health authorities, everyone.
27:22
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be ashamed for doing that.
27:26
Speaker 3: The only way we are going to reverse this disastrous
27:31
Speaker 3: trend of disease is is to get back in touch
27:35
Speaker 3: with what we're putting in our body. And that has
27:37
Speaker 3: to be whole food. It has to be frankly, local food. I, I,
27:40
Speaker 3: I years ago thought that, Oh, talking about local, you know,
27:42
Speaker 3: everyone's talking about all these hippies are talking about local food.
27:45
Speaker 2: What, why that's important.
27:47
Speaker 3: The amount of nutrients that food loses as it travels.
27:51
Speaker 3: And as it gets farther and farther away from the, uh,
27:53
Speaker 3: the farm, it's like 80%. It's like, it loses like
27:56
Speaker 3: it like exponentially loses its nutrient value. Like, you know,
28:00
Speaker 3: you know, a tomato, um, raised today has 70% less
28:04
Speaker 3: nutrients than a tomato in the United States 50 years
28:08
Speaker 3: ago because of our industrial farming and the fact that
28:10
Speaker 3: the soil is so depleted with all this crap we
28:12
Speaker 3: put in it.
28:13
Speaker 2: And the soil is what gives the food its life.
28:15
Speaker 3: I mean, this is something Casey and I are working on.
28:18
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a new book, but I don't think we
28:20
Speaker 2: have a health crisis.
28:20
Speaker 3: I think we have a spiritual crisis where we've totally
28:22
Speaker 3: lost touch with these basic you know, points about, you know, this,
28:27
Speaker 3: how we treat the earth and how that impacts the
28:29
Speaker 3: soil and how that impacts our food that we put
28:31
Speaker 3: in our body that urges our kids. Like, so I
28:34
Speaker 3: actually don't think there's any way we get out of
28:37
Speaker 3: this health crisis without empowering small farmers, without getting back
28:42
Speaker 3: to basics on, you know, our agriculture. And I think
28:45
Speaker 3: actually the only way we do that is seeing food
28:48
Speaker 3: as medicine and, instead of having that $ 4. 5 trillion basically
28:53
Speaker 3: wait for people to get sick and then drug them
28:54
Speaker 3: for life.
28:55
Speaker 4: We just had a little tech issue, but Callie's back.
28:59
Speaker 4: And why don't you finish your thought?
29:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, we've got to see
29:05
Speaker 3: food as medicine.
29:07
Speaker 2: And I think the only way we correct the total.
29:10
Speaker 3: Market distortion of losing our way with the food pyramid
29:15
Speaker 3: and the corporate capture of our medical and food guidelines,
29:20
Speaker 3: is to realize that we need to eat our way
29:23
Speaker 3: out of this health crisis that we're not going to
29:25
Speaker 3: drug our way out of it. And, you know, to
29:28
Speaker 3: have continued research showing that local fresh food is the
29:32
Speaker 3: best way to reverse the obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer,
29:36
Speaker 3: all these crises that we have right now. Um, and
29:41
Speaker 3: using part of the healthcare budget to incentivize, you know,
29:45
Speaker 3: local farmers.
29:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I, I couldn't agree more. And I feel
29:50
Speaker 1: like this is not talked about enough. It's like the
29:52
Speaker 1: phase two of Maha. Maybe it's like, let's talk about the,
29:55
Speaker 1: the not just, okay, what you should eat, but then
29:58
Speaker 1: where you should source it from. it's going to be
30:01
Speaker 1: a huge deal. And I should actually amend what I
30:03
Speaker 1: said when I grew up in Wisconsin. My mom's going
30:05
Speaker 1: to be mad if I don't say this, but we
30:08
Speaker 1: did go to Walmart for meat because that wasn't really
30:11
Speaker 1: an option to get it anywhere else.
30:13
Speaker 4: I don't know where we would have gone.
30:14
Speaker 1: But she was ahead of her time. My mom would
30:18
Speaker 1: go to the local co-op with all the hippie liberals,
30:22
Speaker 1: but it was like she was the one conservative and
30:24
Speaker 1: she'd be in there and she'd get us the seeds
30:28
Speaker 1: and the fruit and the vegetables and everything other than
30:32
Speaker 1: meat and the whole grain bread.
30:34
Speaker 4: She did that.
30:36
Speaker 3: I know your mom was ahead of her time.
30:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not.
30:41
Speaker 4: No, no, no. It was my fault. I kind of
30:43
Speaker 4: made it sound like she didn't feed us good food.
30:45
Speaker 1: My mom, and she cooks. I mean, she has this job.
30:49
Speaker 1: that's so demanding. She works on the weekends and on
30:52
Speaker 1: the weekdays and she cooks at home for my siblings.
30:55
Speaker 1: And I think this is the spiritual element of what
30:57
Speaker 1: you were talking about, that it's like, when you prioritize
31:01
Speaker 1: making food yourself and then you sit around at the
31:03
Speaker 1: table and you eat it together instead of snacking in
31:07
Speaker 1: front of a television and never having structure and meals
31:12
Speaker 1: and working with your hands, there's something that's lost that
31:15
Speaker 1: I think is feeding into um, just the health crisis
31:19
Speaker 1: that we're having.
31:20
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can speak to that, Callie.
31:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:22
Speaker 3: I mean, this is something case and I, you know,
31:24
Speaker 3: talked a lot, I talked about on Tucker and she
31:26
Speaker 3: talks about so eloquently, but no, this is a family
31:30
Speaker 3: spiritual crisis at.
31:31
Speaker 2: The bottom of the, uh, of the pyramid.
31:34
Speaker 3: Um, you know, I think it gets to the fact
31:37
Speaker 3: that motherhood frankly has been delegitimized. It's a, it's a
31:41
Speaker 3: less than activity, you know, um, at Harvard business school
31:45
Speaker 3: where I went, it's, it's, it's kind of, um, it's
31:47
Speaker 3: kind of stigmatized. At Harvard Medical School, you can't actually
31:52
Speaker 3: say the word mother. Medical students are reprimanded for saying
31:55
Speaker 3: the word mother. It's birthing person. We're kind of phasing
31:59
Speaker 3: that word out of our language. And, you know, it's
32:02
Speaker 3: not just mothers, but, you know, just families in general.
32:05
Speaker 3: It's a less than activity to be caring for the
32:08
Speaker 3: kids and cooking at home, we've kind of become detached
32:13
Speaker 3: from that. It's much more rewarded in society to be
32:17
Speaker 3: on a spreadsheet working for some large tech company. So
32:24
Speaker 3: I do think we've kind of been lost the plot
32:27
Speaker 3: a little bit where there's nothing more important than cooking
32:31
Speaker 3: at home for the family. I mean, that is literally
32:34
Speaker 3: like the most important thing that can be done. I mean,
32:38
Speaker 3: it's community, it's nourishing. So yeah, I think we have
32:45
Speaker 3: some big, larger questions that frankly, Bobby started to hit on.
32:50
Speaker 3: I mean, these are really environmental questions. These are family
32:54
Speaker 3: values questions. These are questions about what we're prioritizing as
32:57
Speaker 3: a society. That's lost touch. We've lost touch from the
33:05
Speaker 3: soil from our food, from cooking. I mean, the stats
33:08
Speaker 3: on how many families eat meals together are staggeringly.
33:12
Speaker 2: Low right now.
33:13
Speaker 3: And again, I think that's actually what's at stake, an
33:19
Speaker 3: actual larger, almost spiritual conversation about what we're valuing as
33:24
Speaker 3: a society in this Baja debate.
33:28
Speaker 4: Well, so well put, Callie. And I want to be
33:30
Speaker 4: respectful of your time.
33:32
Speaker 1: Where can people go to follow you? And then how
33:35
Speaker 1: can they support your work and RFK Jr.
33:38
Speaker 4: 's confirmation?
33:39
Speaker 1: Maybe they're from a state where the senator is a
33:42
Speaker 1: little iffy. You want to let us know?
33:45
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
33:45
Speaker 3: I do think if this resonates, I've rarely called or
33:51
Speaker 3: taken any action, right? And we all see, oh, call
33:53
Speaker 3: this senator. I think if the Maha thing resonates, if
33:57
Speaker 3: you connected with what President Trump and Bobby were saying
33:59
Speaker 3: about health, this is the week to make your voice heard.
34:03
Speaker 3: I recently tweeted a list of some of the iffy senators.
34:07
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of Dems, frankly, that could come
34:09
Speaker 3: on board too. I mentioned them, but definitely Republicans, we
34:12
Speaker 3: need all of them on board. And I'm posting a
34:15
Speaker 3: lot about what we can do, but that's at Cali Means.
34:18
Speaker 3: And then I'm on Instagram on that as well. But
34:22
Speaker 3: what people can do is make.
34:23
Speaker 2: Their voice heard this week.
34:26
Speaker 3: I really do, frankly, see this as as something spiritual. I,
34:32
Speaker 3: I think, I think, you know, this awakening happened during
34:35
Speaker 3: the campaign. You know, I saw it from my small
34:37
Speaker 3: vantage point with people resonating with our book, with our,
34:40
Speaker 3: you know, my sister and I discussed it on Tucker
34:42
Speaker 3: Carlson and, and, and Rogan. There was, there was just
34:44
Speaker 3: like this visceral kind of like feeling. I think people
34:48
Speaker 3: really want this issue to be talked about children's health.
34:51
Speaker 3: We need to just bring that positivity back this week.
34:54
Speaker 3: So any good vibes people can send.
34:57
Speaker 2: Is, is really important.
34:58
Speaker 3: And particularly the, you know, calling your senators, even if
35:01
Speaker 3: they're not on the list, call your local center and
35:04
Speaker 3: just give a positive message. I mean, you know, children's
35:06
Speaker 3: health is really important and let's support Bobby and President
35:09
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35:13
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35:17
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35:18
Speaker 2: So you can check that out too.
35:21
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for being here, Callie. You
35:23
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35:27
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35:30
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