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Boston College Game Recap · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast.
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I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Stiegler, buddy.
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We own a Sunday night here. Got Sunday night football going
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on, and we had a little bit of a rough Friday night.
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Is that fair to say, little bit of a rough ride that is debts,
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fair to say it's more than fair to say ruff is a nice term to
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use for what happened Friday night.
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I've seen I've seen shit games that might have been.
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One of the top five were shit games.
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I've ever seen in, man, we've got a lot to unload tonight.
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Luckily, we had a full day to decompress, think about things
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and I tell you, for me, if my fantasy football team will not
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absolutely kicking ass today. Thank you, Justin Herbert.
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Hey, thank you for Dale, Patterson.
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Thank you between this on Friday night and these guys, where is
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it out here? San Francisco, just a few hours
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ago losing to cult fucking McCoy.
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Um, yeah, I'm going to be in a little rager here, but thank the
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fantasy football. I was bad but you well, my Colts
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took care of business on Thursday night, so I didn't have
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to worry too much about the NFL side of things.
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Unfortunately, we all saw at the Hokies ID on Friday night to
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follow it up. So, you know, we're still
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feeling the effects of that one. And we're going to go over quite
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a few things about that game tonight, fellas.
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It was, it was one of those that From the first drive.
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It just didn't feel right and it went downhill from there.
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Now, from the first drive, it didn't feel right at all.
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You know, we find out, you know, that your code is back with
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their missing some pieces. You know, we find out about Tray
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which we're going to get into about the press conference and
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what Pete Moore said today, because that's a hot-button
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fucking topic right now. But let's start with the One,
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good piece. He one.
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Good piece on the offensive side of the ball. somehow Rahim and
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Malachi, both averaged over five yards, a carry With I think the
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entire Boston College team in the Box.
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Yeah, I mean it was bad. I digitally but once Braxton
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went down, they knew we were running the ball and, you know,
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we were still able to more or less Keep the running game
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going, even if it was getting stifled, once we get into an
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area where, you know, they had to go up a little bit, we were
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still moving the ball, somewhat effectively on the running game.
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It just, it wasn't something that we could go to enough to
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get first downs consistently because of the loaded boxes.
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It's it's frustrating because if you had any semblance of a
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passing game to pair, with what they've been Doing, you know, we
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saw it especially against Georgia Tech which I know that
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still Georgia Tech, but if you can do anything with the passing
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game, you know, this running game can open up a little bit.
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But you know, without that threat I mean it was, it was
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tough going. It was very outgoing and you
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know, only what we only had 12 first downs in the entire game
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12. We had a couple drives where we
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had six and eight plays and we've got 18 and 24 yards, That
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is pitiful and I tell you total passing yard was 73.
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But you not tell me Brian. Was there?
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Like the pit of despair of? We're not waiting another.
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We might not be do we might not be view?
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Yeah I've officially hit that when I when I saw what they were
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doing and I saw what we were unable to do and I mean, I know
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this is Boston College, they have a good Front six.
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Good overall defense. Yeah.
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But they're not Elite by any stretch of the imagination.
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Solid, there's thought, you know, Miami's probably more
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athletic. Probably less sound.
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You know, we're still going to see two pretty bad defense has
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coming up with Duke and especially with UVA it to close
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it out. But if we can't move the ball
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effectively, we're going to struggle in all three of these
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contests. And it was evident especially
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once Braxton went down, but it was evident from the jump, like
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we didn't look like without tray.
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We didn't look like we had any anything that was a threat to
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them in the passing game. Yeah.
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And that That feeling of Despair.
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I'm sure it was worth every hokey who's watching a night or
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listening over the next few days here.
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Three passing yards. And it literally took almost to
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the end of the first half to get a pass complete in those three,
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passing yards. Yes, 33.
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And what, what's, what's the old Bob?
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Uecker line from Major League, what did he say?
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What was it? Which one?
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One, one, one. Yeah, one bleeping.
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We got three. We got three bleep in passing
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yards. You know, you know baby gets
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banged up, its the ribs, you can tell it.
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We said it earlier in the season we set it even before the season
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started, if he gets hurt, this team is insignificant trouble.
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He's hurting now I don't, I do not know the time frame, we
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won't know the time frame, let's just be honest.
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Yep. You know we're not going to know
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anything about BB until we won't know until 3:30 to 40 minutes
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before kick-off, when the media starts reporting of who's out,
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throwing the football and practice in warming up pregame
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that's when we'll know. And after, yes, I'd from that,
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it's going to be interesting because We don't.
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And we're going to talk about it more here in a little bit.
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But it's, it's this so close to the vest game that this staff
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plays to the detriment of everything, how folks view them,
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how folks embrace the program. I mean, there's just so many
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missed opportunities with the, the pr in the messaging that the
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fans get. And it's starting to To take a
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toll, I think on everybody. it is, I mean, you know, Not to get
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off topic too much of their sorry.
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We'll get there, we'll get there but it's just you know, the
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messaging is bad, you know, the messaging is bad.
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But what's worse Braun is. Okay, so you get an ox, K them
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to come in, right? And we've already mentioned
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that, it's not gonna be a good situation.
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I do think watching knocks throw the ball.
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I think, Knox has a slightly better armed than Braxton.
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He's not he's got a stronger arm yes'm not near the athleticism.
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Not Nearly the worry about the back end, if they're breaks, but
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that we come in and the first pass, he completes first of all,
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they ran a freaking read option to the short side for him.
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And he realizes, he's four yards behind.
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I think Caleb Smith the slightly down field.
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He just chucked it over shit. That's the first pass.
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That wasn't a true past. That was him being a heady
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player, getting rid of the ball with the actual first two
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passes. I know this, how to drive you
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crazy because your thing all year with BB has been let's get
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him easy, throws early, get him comfortable, you know, let's do
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this. Then let's go downfield.
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It wasn't one brine. The first two passes.
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You're not skating. Shot shell filled shots that
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Kaitlyn tank now take did Miss play his ball and that's okay
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new quarterback. I'm not going.
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I'm dating Robinson was a bright spot, you know less the fumble
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which we'll talk about in a few minutes but where's the easy
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shit? Where's the where's the easy
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hook passes? Where's the swing?
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Where is something that this guy can see a ball?
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Get completed? I don't care if it's at the line
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of scrimmage. Scrimmage or one yard pass.
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It shows tude, the last time. He threw a significant snap
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through significant ball and it alive contest was the, the pick
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So Littleton, why are you not trying to get this guy
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comfortable in this situation? It is, and it's not like we were
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down twenty one. Twenty four points?
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Yeah, it was, essentially a two possession game where we were
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still Within Reach. We were within reach the whole
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game, which will get to very soon that's coming up very soon.
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Guess what? Sit there and It shows the
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ineptitude that the person inch, I'm just gonna say it right now.
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The SOB calling the play. He is never going to get another
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Collegiate coaching job ever ever.
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No one will take him. I guarantee he's gonna be
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scraping for a high school job. I mean he's definitely not.
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I mean give him a D3 job wouldn't.
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Now Marty, Marty wouldn't hire, why did they go Mark Martin,
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Marty calls the plays be Marty wouldn't hire me anyway but
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would make him would make it not Pedro wouldn't want him, did
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you? Every single week, there more
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things that happen every single week.
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Yeah. I mean right now not not letting
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him go is is just kind of letting him, you know.
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Tied it on news here, it's true, he's hurt.
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I mean it's hurting our brand long-term it's hurting his
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viability as a head coach long-term and it's so many
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different angles especially on the offensive side of the ball
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that we're just seeing complete and utter chaos we've been this
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year, so, Far fairly well on third down but it took a big,
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big collapse this week. Oh, it was Dreadful.
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I mean, 3 of 12. I mean yeah, we were right at we
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were essentially right into their wheelhouse of what they do
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on third down as a. They're solid top 25, 30 defense
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in every aspect. They're not great at one thing,
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but yeah, it was, it was absolutely terrible.
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What's just it begs the question.
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What are they doing there in the week?
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What are they preparing for? At least the last two weeks we
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could say, we looked like a semblance of a team, but, you
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know, your quarterback goes out and it's what we talked about.
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It's what we talked about. There's things that you cannot
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do with Knox. There's things you can't do with
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him and there's things that you can't make a couple.
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So as you've said, Brian numerous times, would you say
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about BB? I mean, BB has been the reason
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that our offense is moved, but also the reason our offense
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can't get better, He any he puts a ceiling on the offense but he
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also keeps the floor somewhat high.
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And let's not let's not talk about looking at game on
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Saturday night. With what hooker did?
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Yeah, we he had more touchdowns in the first half than we had
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yards throwing and we hard Gorge rowing for.
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And so it's beginner coming. Apparently, clear that He was
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the most talented, and if I can't tell you what I said, 10
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days ago, much less 10 months ago, understand why he left
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fucks? Why I left.
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But it was more of a detriment to the team and he's went
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somewhere with heiple hypos always coaches.
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Quarterbacks well, always gain. He is finding a rhythm.
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And, you know, pulling the upset off at Kentucky, they're
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probably definitely going to the Bowl.
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The toughest part of their schedule is, you know I think
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they got, they got Georgia left. Yep.
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Then it's like maybe I once often but they've got to to very
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winnable games but they're gonna they're gonna blow the doors off
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and handi-van. If they go in there and there
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are five and five and six they're going to blow the doors
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off the Mandy. There's not even a doubt about
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that but it's you see how he passes in the runs especially
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the downfield shots. And we don't we don't have that
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at all and you know, I mean, we'll say it, I mean that
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offense is a better offense in terms of steam and it fits his
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skill set very well. And and the offense here was a
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fairly good match for his skill set.
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So I mean, it's not so much like it's great that he's blowing up
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there and and I'm glad that he's doing all that but When we look
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at it, if he'd have been here, I think we would have been we're a
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better team with him than we are without him.
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And I think and I think and I think that's aside from scheme,
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I know he's in a better situation in terms of having a
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little bit higher caliber players around him will add it
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to the fact you've got better better scheme overall better
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better coaching this just say that better.
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Yeah Josh heupel is doing more with the Tennessee recruits that
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Pruitt brought in improves doing.
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Yeah, it says a lot about heiple.
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He walked in there. He figured it out.
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He wasn't afraid to make a quarterback change.
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I felt like he wasn't calling the plays.
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I think he is calling the plays now, don't quote me on that, but
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he's finding it on the go in how they competed with Alabama.
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Right. Yeah, they competed with Alabama
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was a huge sign, and I think in a few weeks here, I think maybe
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even this week is when it is when they play Georgia, probably
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how they'll compete with Georgia.
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Well, they're probably about two cycles worth of defensive Talent
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away from making making a press in the East, not saying that
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they're going to match Georgia, but they'll be right there in
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the conversation of that next tier in.
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One to two years, if they get some some more recruits in the
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door for that defense. Abso-freaking-lutely one of the
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things was another positive. We did not break the scoring
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streak this week. Thank you, John.
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Parker Romo. Banging through it by about that
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much the field goal, you know, in the second quarter to make it
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a 17-13 game, where again, we were still In reach and reach in
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and we were still in reach with four minutes and 47 seconds left
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as well, Curtis oh. Well, well, let's do this first.
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We were on the doorstep to make it a one touchdown game and tape
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on those the ball and that sucks because that was probably the
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best Drive of the night that we, yeah, yeah, three minutes.
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We had some runs. We had a downfield, passport,
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Avion, making a big play, another big run, malachite,
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again, with the big run, Gallo with the big catch and we get
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there. It's that inside screen and he
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got lit up and it was essentially the back home from
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behind. I looked at it.
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It's not like he was loose with the ball, just perfect, right?
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Just perfect, there's a perfect punch and although that killed
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defense held up. We'll talk about them later.
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They weren't perfect but they did have their moments.
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But what Brian is talking about is with 4 minutes and 47 seconds
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left. At.
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Our own, what was it, 25 yard line, 4th and 6?
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You don't 14, you got two timeouts in the bag.
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If you pump the ball, you literally need rien out.
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Score a touchdown in two minutes, get the onside kick and
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then use for another touchdown. Essentially, Justin Fuente, came
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quitter make quick wit, he decided even in the Press was, I
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wanted to give us a chance, you're down two touchdowns and
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it's under five minutes left. The most, you can extend this
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game is too. Six.
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It's six minutes. You don't have enough time to.
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So he quit if you were if that was you know seven-and-a-half
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sure that's that's seven a half minutes left.
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That's a logical thing to make with with under five minutes
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left to go in the game that is malpractice.
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Now, that is malpractice because you're essentially folding up
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shop and saying all right. Well, I need my defense to give
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me the ball back and then I've got to do something.
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I haven't done the whole game, two times.
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Yeah I trust you and you're not going to get the ball back,
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you're not not the way. They were running the ball and
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Gala. We didn't.
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We didn't get the ball back. You know, we sit here and it was
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just like it was a quick. It was a surrender cover, it was
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a surrender, cover, it was malpractice, it was negligent.
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Yeah, it was something that I didn't think like this was kind
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of a low point for me. And this is this is classic
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Fuente though. When we talk about some of the
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weird fourth quarter choices, some of the, the
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conservativeness, when you get a lead, like, all of this is from
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the classic Fuente Playbook like I just don't get being that
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conservative down two touchdowns, nope, it just, it
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baffles me. It was one of the most
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head-scratching decisions that Fuente is made in his entire
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time at Virginia Tech and he's made some big ones, also nothing
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but this one did it just It didn't make sense.
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It was pretty much saying, guys we're done.
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We're done, we're done. We're not playing any more with
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less than with just under five minutes left.
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He said, now we're good. We're cooked.
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We're we, he said to the team essentially on both sides of the
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ball. We can't win this game.
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Y'all are not good enough to win this game.
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I am not good enough to win this game.
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That's what it was. That's exactly what it was.
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It's irritating because in that situation, you have nothing to
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lose. If you go forward and you miss
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it, the probabilities was probably about eight to ten
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percent, you could do it. So very, very small that you
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could actually pull and tie the game back up.
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Yep. So well, the thing is that if
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you end up Driving the field and you get a touchdown there.
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You haven't wasted the clock of kicking the ball, back to him.
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You haven't wasted your time out.
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So you can still have two timeouts by the time you go for
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your onside kick and if you don't get the onside kick, you
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can still have a chance to get the ball back, and we'll tie it
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up true. Once you kick that there, at
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least running what a minute, two minutes off that their least
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running two minutes off that, but even if you don't even if
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you kicking you hold perfectly, It which we have seen already
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probably wasn't going to happen, even if you stop them, and burn
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two timeouts. Ten seconds for the kick. 10
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seconds per playwright give or take sure.
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Yeah four minutes and 15 seconds on the clock.
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They're going to punch you way back in your end zone.
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Again, likely and now well, now you've got a score and you don't
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have the ability. If you throw a pass on the
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middle of the field and you get a first down and you can't get
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everybody down, you don't have the ability to control you.
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Just you're, you're either wasting the down with the spike
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or you're having a call to play fast and Waste the time getting
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lined up in a new formation lacing, time getting the play
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in, all that all of that, fun stuff, all of that fun stuff.
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So we go to they they run on place, they win the game.
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All right, so the press conference comes Brian, we had
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gotten when the tree was going to be out, right?
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We got win it. It was Monday night, Monday
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night, when we didn't talk. About it because we got it for
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me, a source that were not. It is what it is, right?
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And but we got it from someone, he's probably not going to play.
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Okay, that's fine. You know about this early in the
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week. You probably knew about it
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Sunday. You probably knew about it.
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Saturday, you can game plan for what to do in that case.
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Well, I saw it on David cutting hands, tweet it was, we didn't
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know right up until game time that.
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That Trey wasn't going to play. What?
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Yeah, I've been in this discussion most of the day.
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Oh yes, you had big time. It's it hasn't been a fun
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discussion because so to me it's two angles here either this is
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Foo playing injury information so close to the damn vest that
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he's lying to cover. Shia, he's covered or he is so
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like, I don't believe that there is this level of ineptitude that
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he didn't know the status of trays injury.
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I think this is him trying to be so close to the With injury
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information that he's fabricating information to the
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meat. Yes, whether purposefully or
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inadvertently and it really doesn't matter because it's
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malpractice either way. Because I don't believe at all
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that. The head coach did not know the
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status of the injury to his star receiver, the number one
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throughout the week. Yeah, I don't believe that
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whatsoever. That that would not be the case.
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There's a ton of things. We heard Whispers, you know, did
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it didn't affect your decision, it really didn't affect my
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decision in our predictions. I know some people are like
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coming out and saying Saying, all you knew this information?
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Okay, listen, the know about Djokovic.
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Brian talked about that. We had a wind of tray, you don't
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mention it because if somebody tells you something and they
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trust you, you don't mention it. It hadn't reached official
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channel, so I, we weren't going to talk about it on here.
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We see until it reaches official channels.
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We don't play that game, okay? Not at all.
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We're not, we're not going to sit on here and, and feed you
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hearsay and shit like that. I mean, damn right.
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We are we might know something but until it's official in our
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mind, we're keeping it off the air.
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Yes, we are. Alright, so that was said some
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the Lash back happened with trays Mom, I'm You by Wednesday
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that I wasn't, what is it? She basically she, you win state
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was absolutely. He was not going to play.
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She canceled her plane ticket to Boston.
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Cancelled hotel reservation. She was implying.
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Whoa, we got wind of it. His mom, you win state.
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She's making all her cancellation, she's not flying
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up the Boston because Trey's not going to be there makes perfect
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sense, but the head coach at Virginia Tech football.
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Team. Did not know that his number
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one, star receiver. I call bullshit.
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I think he was trying his excuse, we know about it.
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So close to game. So we don't know how to really
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play. That's why we look like trash.
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No. You look like trash because
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you're offensive coordinator and certain guys on that cell Baltar
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trash and you're trying to protect them and you're making
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yourself look like an ass. Now.
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Brian, I hope you got this. Get the Tweet up. if you a
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little reading, which one Forest week from today, Okay.
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What will Stewart at ESL? Because all right.
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So Pete Morris, please let me clarify a few items.
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The medical staff and coaches are in constant communication.
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Every injury is different game. Availability, may not be
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determined until later in the week in many instances player.
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Safety kancare is always a top priority.
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That's great Pete. But you didn't give us any new
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information there. Everything you just said, is
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something that in my mind I had already assumed was the case.
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Yeah, you didn't answer the question.
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The question is, why did the head coach?
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State in a press conference that they didn't know that Trey was
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going to miss this game till very late in the process when
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his mom knew for certain on Wednesday.
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And other people knew as early as Monday that it was a good
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probability that he wasn't playing.
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So what is it? Is it the medical staff not
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reporting injuries to the coach. Is it the coached lying?
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Well, I'll pee did was throw gasoline on this thing because
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all because he came out there with.
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And I mean, I'll say it's just that like classic generic PR
28:10
bullshit that did nothing to add to the conversation.
28:15
It merely pointed out information that most fans had
28:19
already assumed it. Pissed us off.
28:21
If you want more than me, I had something.
28:24
He's going on here today. Some errands running and you
28:27
were lighting it up, but it when I read it is like, no, the
28:32
question is, why why did he not know?
28:36
And the wise are either a he's lying.
28:42
Or be somebody truly didn't tell him and I really find that hard
28:47
to believe. I find that hard to believe.
28:50
I find it hard to believe that he did not know he was going to
28:54
be there all on him, all on him 100%.
28:59
And You Know, It's Just So that's the offense.
29:06
That's the fire. That was a lot of fun.
29:11
But let's go over to the defensive side of the ball.
29:15
Siglo over here, set it on Wednesday night.
29:18
There were some Whispers That there was a chance your coat.
29:23
It could be that You didn't say definitively.
29:27
He's going to be back. You just said you had read in an
29:29
article. I don't know where it was
29:31
published. I saw someone that was
29:34
affiliated with BC tweeting that jerk.
29:37
Oh, Vic had been seen throwing at practice?
29:40
Hey, he saw someone tweet this. So it wasn't, like, we got this
29:43
behind the scenes and we held it.
29:45
He said this on Wednesday night because of that, tweet, from
29:48
someone associated with the program, And then on Friday,
29:52
just a few hours for game time till Djokovic will be starting
29:55
tonight and is their offense, a lot different between your
30:00
kovacic Rosell or Alexander. No.
30:04
I mean I mean they really I mean obviously Moorhead can, yeah,
30:12
you're good. Moorhead has a little bit more
30:14
of a of an arm than Rosell but and obviously Phil we saw was a
30:21
little bit. Still a little bit limited with
30:22
what he could do with his arm right now.
30:24
Sure probably a grip thing and not being able to rip it like he
30:29
wants to and just general rust from not playing for what?
30:34
Been weeks, six weeks, six weeks?
30:37
Yeah, six weeks. So the combination of those two
30:40
things are probably what's what held him back.
30:43
But I mean, they were still running the full complement of
30:45
their offense, you know what the wrinkle the mean wrinkle of him
30:50
on the read option. It baffled us.
30:55
And I mean men, he went 70 yards.
30:58
You know, unlike nine carries over seven yards a carry
31:01
including that one play where we had him dead to rights about 12
31:05
yards in the backfield. He avoids not one but two
31:11
potential sacks and gets up the field for a 10-plus yard game.
31:15
Yeah and and if you ask me and this is me this offense wasn't
31:21
going to change whoever was out there.
31:23
But if you put it on a scale of 1 to 100, even an injured, your
31:27
kovich is probably somewhere between and 80 and 90 versus
31:33
we're gonna sell and Moorhead will be below that.
31:36
Humor, 8 full, we've seen them compete with some of the better
31:40
teams. Yeah.
31:42
And I think the thing that we can see was missing, he wasn't
31:45
able to rip it. Like he normally is and like I
31:49
said, I think that's probably due to not being able to get at
31:52
least feel comfortable with the grippy at, on the football.
31:55
And like I said, probably just still knocking off some Rust
31:57
with the timing and everything with his receivers, but there
32:00
definitely wasn't the zip on the ball when he was throwing it
32:03
down the field. Like we're used to still, was
32:05
better than good. Get down the field then gross L
32:08
had been on the whole the last six weeks but you probably
32:13
probably lost a little bit in terms of arm strength, compared
32:17
to what you have got with Moorhead, but you probably roll
32:20
with the more seasoned player at that point.
32:22
So that's probably why they went that direction.
32:24
And I know they kind of left it up to him and sounds like
32:27
whether he felt comfortable going, he went in there and said
32:29
he wanted to play so they played him and you know, he didn't have
32:34
his best game throwing the ball but he Me too especially way
32:37
they were running the ball with Garwin the way they were using
32:40
that read-option with him and taking advantage of a lot of
32:44
missed tackles by our defensive front six.
32:47
Yeah. And you talk about the arm
32:48
strength and you think about, let's think about two of the big
32:51
plays that early in the game. It gave me the feeling that, you
32:54
know, we're not going to win this game.
32:56
It's just you have those breaks. Let's talk about Dorian strong,
33:01
he rolled out, and he tried to throw the ball, and he's short
33:03
of the ball and Dorian just picked it.
33:05
And Dorian's running trying to find a lane to get up and give
33:09
Djokovic credit, he came back down, field bump the ball loose.
33:14
And they recover. And you just sign.
33:18
I sat there and said they had a good drive.
33:21
Going. Try to roll pocket, throw you
33:25
left it. A little short, young guy came
33:27
up, picked it. And there are some people on the
33:30
timeline, there were screaming like when I saw him running
33:33
around like that looking for something I was just screaming.
33:36
Go down, go down. There's nothing there he didn't
33:40
they fumble? They score off that with
33:44
actually a jerk covid run. Yeah.
33:47
And if that wasn't bad enough I feel like that the next one was
33:52
even worse. Because how many times do you
33:53
see that happen? Yeah I mean daily comes in makes
33:57
a good pass defense. Probably could have knocked it
34:01
towards the ground a little bit more but bang-bang play.
34:04
Their tipped is like eight yards back like what?
34:08
Like yeah like eight or nine yards back and you know winner
34:14
gets the the reception there ends up.
34:17
Being a first down, you know, you think you're potentially
34:20
getting off the field again and then all of a sudden you're
34:22
looking at another first down for the other team and those are
34:26
two. That's the to play those like
34:27
the are this this unit snake been denied that they can't do
34:30
anything, right? Even when they do right, they do
34:32
wrong. And then on that one to Winter,
34:36
he doesn't even catch it and get the first down.
34:39
He's a yard short, they plow over the defensive line Djokovic
34:44
does on sneak easy first down. Down what?
34:48
You know, how do you feel? How does secondary field?
34:51
Ryan, how does a secondary have to feel when they we've got to
34:54
pick. We stopped them on Third and
34:56
long with a great pasta flexion. And they essentially got 10
34:59
points out of it. Yeah.
35:01
Hi, like how do you even stay in the mindset?
35:03
That How do you even stay in the game after that happens in the
35:09
first 20 minutes of it? Yeah, is definitely
35:15
disheartening the fact that they kept coming back and you know
35:20
still hell the pass game more or less in check for most of the
35:26
game. Yeah, they weren't able to do a
35:28
ton down the field even when they took shots, obviously they
35:32
were purposefully leaning on their running game.
35:35
Most of the time, especially once they got that big early
35:38
lead, but You know, it was kind of it was kind of hard that even
35:44
when they were making plays, you know, they've it's still ended
35:47
up working out for the offense, so that was frustrating early on
35:52
and I think some of that frustration carried over.
35:56
But, you know, when we look at the running game, that's where
36:00
that's where things started to fall apart for the defense
36:03
d-line, and linebackers were getting kind of pushed around by
36:06
that offensive line Lindstrom was a wasn't Animal inside their
36:14
get into this second level on Dax, most of the night, it was
36:22
wasn't pretty dead Dax and Tisdale were finding themselves
36:26
out of position a lot. It kind of see it was more of
36:29
that 2020 style. Shit rearing its head.
36:34
Here you go. It looked as close to 2020
36:39
defense as I've seen. Seen this year and that was
36:44
disheartening and it's not that they went out there and they
36:47
gave up a ton of points. The they're still doing a freely
36:50
and fairly decent job of bending and not breaking, but you got to
36:54
get a team like that off the field more than you did you.
36:57
Absolutely. And that's the problem is, that
36:59
they extended so many drives. There were so many 10 and 12,
37:03
Play drives, and then just methodically, moving the ball
37:05
down, field it, and then you can't do that when A thin team
37:12
especially up front and I mean you're going to wear yourself
37:14
down so fast and that's what happened.
37:17
I know. And you know Garland over 130
37:21
carries he looked like he was like under force.
37:25
It was the second worst yards per carry production game since
37:29
Temple, but he still went over 100.
37:31
They went to 34 is a teams. The sad part is for us.
37:36
At least it's the this was the death by a Thousand Cuts that
37:39
you always talk about. They had no gains over 20.
37:43
No running gains over 20 yards. But you know what they had and
37:47
you already mentioned it kind of talking about.
37:49
They just kept leaning and just kept long extending Drive. 22
37:53
first downs. 22 in 50% on third down and fourth down.
38:00
So you know every other time we had a chance to get him off the
38:04
field, we couldn't they extended the drives.
38:06
So in one sense you get pissed the defense like damn you guys.
38:10
Why don't you make that 25%? On the other hand, you say got
38:14
them off the field, a lot and they did keep us in this game
38:20
because they didn't give up big plays because even though they
38:23
were missing tackles and it was ugly at times, they were still
38:26
stopping drives at times if the defensive magic imagine if You
38:30
played sound like a god, like a seven to three games.
38:37
Yeah, it would have been an ugly ugly.
38:38
Matt, Bevin we played sound defense by the took the over
38:41
would have just like, went out back and just hang their head
38:44
against trees. Like, why did I take over
38:47
against these Duty? Yeah.
38:49
And and everything we saw on defense, there was nothing
38:52
egregiously bad. It was just consistently not
38:55
enough to get off the field. Yeah.
38:58
And I think That goes back. I mean, some of that's by Design
39:02
with this Bend, don't break style but that's where Bend
39:05
don't break style in a game, like this comes back to bite
39:08
you, right? But because because you're
39:11
killing your killing the, the the time of possession you're
39:14
getting killing time of possession, and then your
39:18
offense can't do anything with it.
39:20
It's true, but a lot of the times Brian, it was the missed
39:23
tackles that were happening. You know, instead of being the
39:27
three are gain, it was the five. Yeah.
39:30
Instead of you will only have six tackles for loss no sax.
39:33
Instead of being the tackle for loss and putting them at second
39:36
and 12 second, 11. They'd get it back to the line
39:40
of scrimmage or one or two more yards, and that's the ones we've
39:43
talked about it. Several times up.
39:44
That's the frustrating piece. It's, because it's the momentum,
39:49
right? Because you imagine those guys
39:51
coming off after they go out. I listen.
39:53
Hey, keep running hard. They had you for a six yard
39:57
loss. You made it a one-yard gain.
39:58
They had you for a sack and you got the ball away.
40:02
It mentality. Its momentum.
40:04
It's being able to walk to the sideline and saying you're this
40:07
close. You keep pressing instead of
40:09
being a zero yard gain, you're going to get five and that's
40:12
what they did. And they kept pounding and kept
40:15
pounding on us until eventually, you know, at the end be set on
40:19
the ball for the 447, they took it out, they won the game.
40:23
I want to, I want to what I want to address before we go to break
40:26
here. Brian, the Dax incident That's
40:32
got a personal foul penalty later on Djokovic, borderline,
40:35
whatever. And then He essentially shove
40:40
Jeff Heffley. This is my view on that.
40:44
If he does not shove Jeff Heffley, he would have fucking
40:48
ran Jeff haffley over in probably seriously fucking
40:51
injured him. So there were people for janya
40:53
tech fans on the timeline. Saying, what kind of shit is
40:56
this? This is garbage.
40:57
This is the type of player coach Know, believe it or not, him
41:01
shoving him down to the ground. Probably seriously.
41:06
Help halfling. Not get fucking killed by
41:10
240-pound linebacker, fully padded.
41:14
My opinion. I don't know how you feel on the
41:16
incident Brian, but I think how backs what he did was right?
41:21
Not, if you really want to hurt haffley, he could have just kept
41:23
running. I don't think there was intent
41:27
in what he did in terms of trying to trying to shove him,
41:30
out of the way, out of frustration.
41:33
I think it was just, he's there. Let me get this guy to the way
41:37
as I'm running through. But if you combine it at the
41:44
time and I get where the were the knee-jerk reaction comes
41:47
from because you got to play that probably wasn't the
41:51
smartest play, by him anyway, he should have been aware of where
41:54
he was on the field. Not carried, carry through the
41:57
tackle and took him to the ground with the push.
42:01
So that's It wasn't quite the bang-bang play there, and then
42:09
you add that that action after, after that happens.
42:14
You get why the knee-jerk happened?
42:16
The knee-jerk reaction on that. I think it's Much Ado About
42:19
Nothing or at least not. Not anything worth dwelling on
42:25
it. Kind of is what it is.
42:28
The play that hurt us was the play of the of the tackle
42:33
itself. Not anything had happened
42:34
extracurricular. There we go.
42:37
So we'll put that one to bed and again if you were under a rock
42:42
for the last 48 hours or so look he's end up losing 2:43 up in
42:48
Boston during the red bandana game, and Brian what we'll do.
42:52
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Now back to the episode All right, and we are back.
43:31
So earlier today, me and Brian put our heads together and said,
43:35
we need to throw this out here because what CH loss is worse of
43:39
the last three seasons. Is it Duke in 2019?
43:44
Is it the pit game 4714 of 2020? Or is it this game?
43:51
And we put a pole out here in almost 400 of you guys have
43:56
responded. We really appreciate that and
43:59
brought on drumroll, please. The winner is 2019, Juke
44:06
carrying 68% of the vote. Second place at 29%, I think
44:11
carrying maybe a little more me and you were surprised was the
44:15
BC game from Friday at 29%. And then last but not least with
44:19
a handful of boats is the pit 2020 game.
44:23
Yep. Now go ahead run.
44:26
I was going to say we did have a couple other right ends.
44:29
The other one that was probably the strongest was ODU from from
44:34
2018 ODU and pit from 2018, several of those.
44:39
But I just wanted to go through some of the comments here and
44:41
let's just talk about some of our listeners will give you a
44:43
shout outs out there. Let's start with our boy tally.
44:46
He said BC, and he said, because we had zero highlights.
44:50
It is true, we had no real highlights in this game,
44:55
everything bad. Other than Peter, more kicking
44:58
the ball. Three yards at halftime just
45:00
enough said, I boy James Ambrose hits up all of the above
45:05
inferior opponent and Duke pit was missing talent.
45:09
That game BC was just this was a coaching Miss.
45:13
Here's one of the 2018 pit James Copeland God we chat with Cajun
45:17
Ali. He put 18 jute or 18 pit as the
45:22
worst But on here was Duke 19 and he said that was when the
45:28
nation saw through wasn't it, dip a couple more we're going to
45:33
keep going, just and then we'll give our complete thoughts on
45:36
this because you guys make, I won't give credit.
45:40
It wasn't most of you guys didn't.
45:43
Just put the game and then leave it.
45:45
You put your reasonings behind it and I love when people give
45:48
their opinion in their thoughts. So I'm going to read a couple
45:51
more brown eyes. I'm already quite a few more
45:53
because you guys did awesome tonight.
45:59
GJ p v t0 9:00 after the debacle, 2018, food needed a new
46:03
start in 2019, he did not get it, he did not get it after the
46:07
shit show, that happened in Chestnut Hill and then the ODU
46:12
game and then the close call with ermine do game with the
46:16
beginning of the end. He turned the tide midseason but
46:19
we closed out on a sour note. Yep.
46:22
Jake Lamb 2019, because cooker would have been number one in
46:27
Camp. Dixon Mills hits, ODU, 2019.
46:31
I said, I think you meant 18. He did say that was it, but 2019
46:36
was the precursor for the Duke game because the Furman and the
46:40
ODU game watching those two. What happened to Duke was not a
46:43
surprise to a lot of people. Yeah.
46:47
We'll keep going here. My buddy Pete, the over too.
46:50
Deep Duke was the Duke was the worst because the worst home
46:53
loss and it was a bad Duke team and CJ from VA.
46:58
This was the one you were talking about Brian none.
47:00
It's ODU. We were ranked in the top 15.
47:03
They were owing three. They had lost to bad team.
47:06
They finished four and eight. We were there.
47:07
Last, we were there first to four wins at season.
47:12
You had been downhill since then and I think everything is right
47:15
there. I will Count the value of the
47:18
ranking because we should have been ranked at that point in the
47:22
season. It was it was totally still
47:25
based off of the strength of the Phantom FSU win.
47:29
But everything else you said was spot on there and it definitely
47:34
looked worse because the fact that we were ranked, obviously,
47:37
that that heard in terms of perception, even though the
47:40
perception was a little bit of a facade, you want to give your
47:44
take first. You want me to lead on this?
47:47
Well, let's let's before we give our take on what we feel.
47:49
Is the words. Let's go with the other two
47:51
because believe it or not. Of the one we agree with me and
47:56
Brian agreed. On the same one.
47:57
Let's start with the, with the furthest back almost over two
48:02
years ago, the Duke 20 Nightwing loss.
48:07
We had hope right Brown. Even after that loss, there was
48:10
hope. We brought Jerry Keeling.
48:14
We had Quincy and we had hindon to force for quarterbacks both
48:21
highly ranked in the wings. They were there, we had a good
48:26
Core group of players right after 2018, those guys were
48:30
going up like yeah, it was like it was shitty, but you feel like
48:35
things could change and then You felt like there was at least a
48:41
pivot. There was at least something to
48:43
Pivot to even if that pivot didn't work.
48:46
There was something there right? Yeah.
48:50
There was something there and it's the Shawshank Redemption on
48:56
right Ron. Yep.
48:58
Hope it's a good thing. It's the dangerous thing and it
49:02
was dangerous for this fan base because what happened between
49:07
the Miami game and even the bowl game, you felt like okay this
49:11
might be on back on the right track.
49:15
Yes, we lost a Notre Dame. Yeah we lost you vo the first
49:18
time since we were like 20 that they done that but it still felt
49:25
like hope because with the UVA game, they needed Perkins to
49:28
play. Literally the game of uva's,
49:31
entire football, history, to win that game.
49:35
And then the Kentucky game, The game Friday night.
49:42
I'll just say it. I can't I didn't vote for that
49:45
one. And I didn't vote for do 2019,
49:48
because I felt like Friday night, Brian.
49:51
It's over It's over. Yeah, it's going to be very hard
49:58
for them to come back from that because that was as flat of a
50:02
performance, especially on the offensive side as, as we've
50:06
seen. And in terms of just output in
50:10
general, as bad as we've seen, I mean, there's been other games
50:13
where our offense hasn't done well, but, you know, we're
50:15
talking about a hurricane game or shit like that, not not
50:22
Perfect. Fall conditions, in Chestnut
50:24
Hill 40 degrees risk all night and that happened, you know,
50:32
it's over that. I think that's the general
50:34
consensus. That's it's coming down.
50:37
How quick it happens. I think that's that's to be
50:42
determined. I said it based on, just the
50:45
performance and then the post game stuff.
50:50
I didn't think you should have made it to the MonDay, presser
50:53
and we'll see. Obviously, it seems like he
50:54
will. It's it'sit's just so it'sit's
51:02
laughable. At this point, it is getting to
51:03
the point that apathy is said in, in the fan base, the fan
51:06
base is done and I'm sad because I hope so.
51:10
Still show up for the Duke game because the seniors deserve it.
51:13
The players in general deserve, it seniors are developing guys
51:17
deserve. They've been playing, they've
51:18
been playing their ass off, man. In they've been let down by
51:25
their staff. They've been let down by the
51:28
program in general. And I hope that we are able to
51:33
make the right decision to move on because the players deserve
51:37
it, the players deserve to when they go out there and lay some
51:40
I'm up that they're going to have the best chance they can of
51:45
coming away with a victory and I feel like that's that hasn't
51:47
been the case for at least two years now, if not longer.
51:54
You know, I think as we've talked about a little bit with
51:59
with this, you know, we felt like Jerry kill helped out in
52:01
2019 and there was hope that that would carry over after he
52:06
left and it absolutely has not well what happened last night?
52:10
Not think what we felt happened after 2019, we saw those things
52:13
in place and I think you talked about carryover you felt like
52:16
there will be new things implemented.
52:20
Things will be done differently in.
52:22
It looks like it was going to be that way.
52:25
It shows that the ever so lessons learned from Jerry kill
52:28
there was no Lessons Learned. There were, no, the lessons were
52:31
learned put into practice when they needed it, and then
52:34
immediately reverted back, right?
52:37
It's like, you know, it's like punishing your child for doing
52:41
something. And taking a toy away and then
52:47
giving that toy back and then the then the same behavior
52:51
happens again and you're just like, and that's what's
52:55
happened. They were shown what they were
52:57
doing wrong, they were corrected, he was out of bounds
53:01
by the way, I don't, you know, I don't know what they've ruled.
53:03
I can't hear it. He stepped out of bounds and he
53:05
was the first guy to touch the ball, he was not forced out.
53:09
It looks like that's for me because I have Higby on my
53:12
fantasy team. All right.
53:18
So obviously we've talked BC 2021, we are the three
53:24
percenters. Yeah, we're the three
53:27
percentage. Yeah, it sounds like some sort
53:29
of group for those, if you're listening, if you voted for pit.
53:39
DMS or plowing the chain. Because literally out of about
53:42
400 votes. When it's like three person.
53:44
It's literally like six or seven of us and it's me and Brian were
53:47
talking throughout the day in just four.
53:51
We jumped on here tonight. Why was pit so bad?
53:58
Pit was bad because they were missing the large majority of
54:03
their all-conference caliber players.
54:09
We came into that game in a winnable batch up and just got
54:14
the dog shit. Beat out of us, we were more or
54:17
less. It was one of the times of the
54:19
year where we were more or less healthy going into that game
54:23
last year mostly full complement of weapons and we did nothing
54:30
and we let them run up and down the field on us let them throw
54:34
up and down the field on us and we had nothing to respond with
54:37
on offense. It's we did nothing.
54:41
He looked terrible. We looked uninterested
54:44
especially on offense, especially with the defense.
54:47
Remember the first half of that game defense played good.
54:50
We were kept us in it and then the wheels fell off in the
54:54
second half. This is why I chose that game.
54:59
If you remember guys, last year Liberty?
55:01
I was out firing. This was the game that push
55:04
Braun over the edge and that's when Whispers started of he's
55:09
going to be gone, he's going to be gone and that's why this game
55:12
to me. I voted for because it was we
55:16
thought after that game it's over.
55:19
We're going to get a whole new regime, you know, we're going
55:24
to, you know, probably get some more We're going to get some
55:29
more working, probably some more funding that our assistance will
55:35
recruiting staff. And when the press conference,
55:38
with what happened after you V8, and it didn't happen.
55:40
I revert back to this game and I said that was it that they were
55:45
missing. So many players, we coach so
55:47
bad, we played so bad. That's the coach.
55:51
This is the issue and you rip the rug out from us.
55:56
And 2018 pit. Yeah, that was really bad, but
56:00
after what we'd seen early in that season, it was expected to
56:02
happen. Yeah.
56:04
That didn't shock me as much. I mean, we were a very young
56:06
team. We just lost a lot of our core
56:08
players from the previous season.
56:11
It was a bad loss because that bet pit team was not as good as
56:15
the 2020 B team, but the 2020 pit team was missing more of the
56:19
players that counted in that game than the 2018.
56:23
So and it was also we was all set.
56:25
Where, you know, 2018 after 2016 and 2017, you're not pulling the
56:31
plug on your head coach 2020. After that performance, that was
56:35
a pull. The plug level loss.
56:39
Yes. And that's why it's different.
56:41
That's why? That's why ways more for me,
56:44
especially what had happened with, but there was a step to
56:47
get there. Right?
56:48
But why North Carolina had looked the way we had played
56:50
against wake, the Liberty game and then that game.
56:55
Then that game there were there was all of this thing on the
56:58
table, so that's us. And we are clearly in the
57:03
minority here and that's fine. And I don't think anybody that
57:08
answered otherwise is wrong. I just think, I think we have a,
57:11
we have different opinions of power where it is and, you know,
57:15
people that say yeah, that's a bad Duke team and he should
57:18
never get blown out by Duke especially in whom I 110 percent
57:21
agree with you but There was there's one thing in 1921.
57:29
They got stolen 19, you had hope 21.
57:33
We have hope 20, The Hope got stolen from us a few weeks
57:36
later. That's the big.
57:38
That's why I had a vote for because the hope that stole from
57:41
me feel he hasn't gotten stolen at least from Corning 21 yet.
57:45
I hope they don't steal 2021 because I will put this poll out
57:48
again and I will vote the BC game, not the pit game.
57:53
All right, Brian, this is this is Last segment.
57:56
Well next to last time we're going to talk about our pics in
57:58
a little while here. A buddy at car, we chat with
58:04
their follow them on Twitter, he made a statement and after
58:13
what's happened. The last two years, we have to
58:16
visit it and basically Eric at the aircar following if you like
58:21
Okie football tweeted. This is VT football worse today
58:26
than it was the day. Frank Beamer retired in 2015.
58:29
That would have been after the Independence Bowl win.
58:31
In over. Tulsa we go seven and six.
58:35
Our only losses by more than double digits that year or ten
58:39
point loss to Ohio, 10 point loss, to Miami and the lost Ohio
58:44
State opened the season. Every other loss was a touchdown
58:49
or less. Keep going here.
58:56
Going into the November 12th week, end of 2015.
59:01
It was, was it four and five were four and five?
59:08
And we go down the stretch and we win the game.
59:13
We lose Frank's last home game in overtime to UNC and we win
59:16
the UVA game to go. Six and six similar here with
59:23
you. I had to look that up.
59:25
I forgot who it was. We played the week prior to
59:31
don't worry, I'm going to effort this real quick because I want
59:33
to remember who we played in 2020.
59:40
For 2015. One moment, everyone, the game
59:44
before UNC the game for UNC, unless you have it up there.
59:47
There we go. We beat Georgia Tech.
59:54
We beat Georgia Tech. By two points.
1:00:03
And let's let's let's do this. Braun okay?
1:00:07
What you got 2015 going into 2016 verses 21 going to the 22
1:00:13
with Talent worse or better that year in your opinion, Talent
1:00:18
level is Mutt, was much better in 2015 heading into 16th.
1:00:22
And it is right now, not just talent, but depth, which is as
1:00:27
just as important is overall Talent.
1:00:31
It's true. I agree with that.
1:00:32
The only thing we had not ironed out was the quarterback
1:00:35
situation do give the when they credit for that.
1:00:39
But getting Evans in here that made that team click.
1:00:43
Yep. Do not know if we would have
1:00:45
went to the ACC title, gamer, won 10 games out here without
1:00:48
drive-ins. I'm, I'd say eight, maybe seven,
1:00:51
looking, how this coaching staff coaches.
1:00:53
Now, So write that down, we're going now into a new regime,
1:00:58
likely with less Talent the other big piece behind and this
1:01:05
is big. I don't give a shit who you are
1:01:07
what you say. Following a coaching Legends and
1:01:11
the expectations that have been set.
1:01:14
We're here. Yeah, we're here.
1:01:19
Next regime. You're not following a coaching
1:01:22
Legend, You're not found a coaching Legend.
1:01:25
You're also, I mean, the expectations, I think in terms
1:01:30
of where we want to be or the same, I think that out the gate,
1:01:34
there will be a lot more leash than was given previously.
1:01:40
And that's just because of the things we just talked about,
1:01:43
which is the talent level and roster makeup and depth of the
1:01:47
roster overall. We're in a situation where not
1:01:51
It's not just finding a solution at quarterback.
1:01:54
It's finding the solution at about three or four different
1:01:56
positions. Yep.
1:01:58
Pretty securely in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
1:02:02
Very true. The quarterback is the big one
1:02:07
though. I do think you have Luke coming
1:02:11
back, Parker's looked better. Kate and getting the playing
1:02:17
time this year has helped out. I don't think he's there but I
1:02:19
think he has a potential. You do need some more depth on
1:02:24
the line. I think it's defensive in depth
1:02:26
on the defensive line. I feel okay about linebackers, I
1:02:31
feel good. Oh okay about the backend on
1:02:33
defense but it's the depth. There ain't much behind anybody
1:02:38
so I'm with you on that, but it's the expectations.
1:02:41
I think we as a fan base or probably going to go into this
1:02:44
thing that first year depending on, who comes how the portal,
1:02:48
looks who stays in the recruiting class, who we get
1:02:51
from the transfer portal, yet portals going to absolutely be
1:02:56
important. No matter who comes in, but it's
1:02:59
going to be well as expectations if we're sitting here a year
1:03:02
from tonight and you tell me where it's six wins, they have
1:03:05
met expectations if you're telling me that with three weeks
1:03:09
ago on the seasons, we have six wins, you've completely met my
1:03:11
expectation as of right now, We've got to see everything that
1:03:17
happens. Check us back in August of next
1:03:19
year and see if I say six wins. Like I said nine this year,
1:03:24
stupid me trusting, this coaching staff.
1:03:28
All right Brian, let's jump on the snack, I don't necessarily
1:03:30
trust the coaching staff. I thought I thought talent-wise
1:03:33
on the field. We were better than at least
1:03:37
half the teams on our on our schedule.
1:03:39
And then we sneak one in their Sleek one or two in there, and
1:03:43
we haven't done that. And We've played below our
1:03:47
talent level in a lot of games and most of that from coaching
1:03:51
decisions that are made in real time.
1:03:53
That's very true. That's a good point to make you
1:03:55
may be a new coach task and revitalizing the seven.
1:04:01
The seven point loss, the three point loss in the two point loss
1:04:05
of the four-point loss can all be flipped, all right?
1:04:08
Brian I don't think anybody should argue about this 2015,
1:04:13
2016. We were significantly needing of
1:04:16
upgrades. Those are rolling into effect.
1:04:20
The new coach is going to have the new weight room.
1:04:23
The new players with the new dorms, The increased budgets.
1:04:29
So, Ami, that's that, this is the only area that Fuente is
1:04:34
leaving better than he found it and he didn't do it, and he
1:04:38
didn't really do a whole lot to get it there.
1:04:40
But between what wit had already put on the the roadmap, plus
1:04:48
what? In terms of recruiting and other
1:04:51
things that, you know, Fuente was able to in terms of
1:04:55
recruiting staff, I should say that Fuente was able to bring to
1:04:57
the table. Post the bail.
1:04:59
Flirtation. The combination of those two
1:05:02
things have at least moved the conversation forward.
1:05:05
Even if not all of the financial investments have made their
1:05:10
their way home yet. But more than likely those are
1:05:14
coming through in the next two to three years and hopefully
1:05:18
some of the early big investment that's made into Reach For
1:05:21
Excellence. Can be put towards building that
1:05:24
recruiting staff, or hiring those offensive and defensive.
1:05:28
Analysts to kind of move things forward for this team because
1:05:34
that's where the, I think in terms of on-field product,
1:05:36
that's what's going to help the most out the gate.
1:05:39
So that and obviously, the assistant salary pool, all of
1:05:45
that's going to be big in. That is the one thing that if
1:05:49
anything, from this tenure, you're going to say, things will
1:05:52
pointed out. And I think if things had, let
1:05:58
me ask this, Ron, if 2018 didn't happen, 2018 didn't happen.
1:06:04
And let's say, we went eight and five in 2018, we would be behind
1:06:08
a year on all the upgrades. 2018 is going to be considered should
1:06:13
be considered a blessing in disguise because when you have
1:06:17
that bad of a season, after essentially the Frank run at the
1:06:22
end, it was just Frank's just getting older, he's slowing
1:06:24
down. Can't get the recruits.
1:06:26
It's tougher. But after the first two years
1:06:30
are just want to, in 2018 doesn't happen, it doesn't turn
1:06:33
whitside to. I've got to get this shit.
1:06:35
Straight up, gotta get this shit straight now especially in it
1:06:40
and that there's the upside if he doesn't come do what he did.
1:06:45
We don't move forward quicker. Yeah and and I mean, let's talk
1:06:50
about this too because obviously the biggest issue that we're
1:06:54
having in terms of not achieving what we want to achieve right
1:06:57
now is Is coaching, but all these other things are playing a
1:07:02
role and the fact that they need to be addressed, can't be
1:07:06
understated. That being said, a good coach
1:07:11
gets us where we need to be in spite of that.
1:07:13
Yes. And you give them something to
1:07:17
build upon they can they can grow into something even better.
1:07:21
Yeah. So that's kind of where we are
1:07:24
in this thing and then we talk about fan engagement, kind of
1:07:27
being the last thing, comparing the two way different way,
1:07:33
worse, way worse. Even the meddling last four
1:07:37
years of Frank? We were still a In about 60 to
1:07:41
61 think. I think somebody said this year,
1:07:46
we're at like 58 maybe 50 to the X, so, 10,000 centrally to and
1:07:50
that's after not having fans and stands for 2020 and it being a
1:07:55
big fucking deal. The first two to three weeks
1:07:57
that we went home. What did we say on here?
1:08:02
We said it almost a year ago, when he was kept, you're going
1:08:07
to see effects on the fan base. People are not going to show up
1:08:10
and then people like, yeah, but we've been locked in a year.
1:08:13
Yeah. And for the first few weeks,
1:08:15
it'll be okay. Yeah, we start fucking up,
1:08:18
you're going to see exactly what you are seeing at Syracuse.
1:08:23
And, you know what, we're probably going to see at the new
1:08:25
game, which is about 55 56, thousand in length.
1:08:29
We don't want to turn into Bobby Dodd Stadium.
1:08:32
Yeah. Do you not want to become that?
1:08:36
And I don't think, I don't think we will either, but I think I
1:08:40
think the point and I get that but that you talk about a team
1:08:44
in the middle of a city. They've got other shit to do.
1:08:46
I get that and Virginia Tech is the biggest show in the state of
1:08:51
Virginia. I get that but hold on but you.
1:08:56
Yep. It's the city of Richmond in
1:09:01
Virginia Beach, in Northern Virginia.
1:09:05
How many people are driving 3-4 hours, every Saturday.
1:09:10
We've done it Brian and coming into Blacksburg.
1:09:14
What you do not want to do is convince those people.
1:09:18
I don't need to go we suck. Anyway, I'm not going to do
1:09:21
anything. I'm not going to be engaged with
1:09:23
the team. Yeah, give me folks from like
1:09:25
Lynchburg and Stanton and All Points.
1:09:27
West of that is not the hard part.
1:09:29
It's getting getting folks from the Tidewater there, every week.
1:09:33
Getting folks, Richmond, there every week.
1:09:34
Getting folks from Nova there every week.
1:09:38
And once you start losing that audience, yep.
1:09:42
Where they might make one One game a year instead of five
1:09:45
where they might not make a game this year, because they'll get
1:09:49
it next year, when the teams looking better.
1:09:51
Yeah. Whatever it may be.
1:09:53
That that's when you're going to be in trouble.
1:09:55
And I think it's, we're already starting to see some of that
1:09:58
creeping in what we say. And it's not, it's not just,
1:10:04
I'll say this, we've seen it as we have progressed week-to-week,
1:10:09
based on the podcast, true. It's drink them.
1:10:14
The more folks are. We are engaged at the beginning
1:10:17
of the year when things still look pretty.
1:10:20
Yeah, it started to trickle away there is.
1:10:24
Apathy said to him, we see it. I mean that that's one metric.
1:10:27
You look at the metric of folks showing up in the stands.
1:10:30
There's several different metrics that point to the fan
1:10:34
base is losing interest in watching a losing product on the
1:10:37
field. And you can only sell hope for
1:10:42
so long into the season every year before it starts going back
1:10:47
to. Oh, okay, this is that same
1:10:49
team. We saw last year that chokes
1:10:51
these games away. This is the same team that
1:10:53
doesn't quite, get it done because the coaching staff
1:10:56
doesn't have them prepared properly on.
1:10:58
Ask you a question, right? And be very serious about this,
1:11:01
if a change is made last year, but we're sitting at exactly the
1:11:04
same record this year. You want to thank engagement.
1:11:07
Still wouldn't be up. I mean, yeah, you're going to
1:11:11
get a honeymoon period obviously with the new coach especially if
1:11:13
that new coaches coming in and actually engaging the fans in a
1:11:17
way that they are used to historically, but we're also
1:11:21
going to be sitting here and saying he had to clean up the
1:11:24
absolute dumpster fire. That was yeah again you get you
1:11:28
get morally, she get the honeymoon period.
1:11:30
There's going to be a period of time where we are giving the new
1:11:34
coach the benefit of the doubt. And hopefully that he's earning
1:11:37
it because that's one thing that I will say.
1:11:39
To Fuente is that he doesn't get the bit of the benefit of the
1:11:43
doubt because he'd never tried to earn it in terms of fan
1:11:47
engagement. Nope, never did.
1:11:49
If you keep that shit, so close to your chest that people don't
1:11:52
know what to think, they are going to write their own
1:11:54
narrative. And if you let that go for long
1:11:56
enough, it's going to become a problem.
1:12:00
And they're going to give you the big finger and say, I don't
1:12:03
need to waste my money. I'll need to come see, I want to
1:12:05
know about my program. I want to know about players, I
1:12:07
don't know about what's going on.
1:12:09
We this is college football. This is not the NFL and they
1:12:13
can't be that tight lipped. So you know, next guy think
1:12:18
about it in for the next coach to.
1:12:23
There are numerous Coca-Cola events every year.
1:12:28
Their enrichment, Oddworld, all over the place, my advice to
1:12:31
you. When there's a recruit night in
1:12:33
Richmond, go to, when there's recruit night in title or go to
1:12:36
it, Nova, go to it. They always show up for the
1:12:40
kickoff dinners. That's fine and dandy if there's
1:12:43
other events, create other events, keep engaging.
1:12:46
Send your assistant. Coaches are two talks in players
1:12:49
to talk. That's what's going to get us
1:12:52
back. All right.
1:12:54
Getting getting those coaches back in the high schools,
1:12:56
consistently is going to help to you.
1:12:58
Damn right. It is so, you know, again, shout
1:13:02
out to Eric for saying to that. And let's just, let's just say
1:13:04
it. I think we're not significantly,
1:13:07
lower than where we were. I don't think we're this far in
1:13:10
2016, or from 2015. I do think we're probably about
1:13:14
a step and a half back of where we were.
1:13:19
We're not where we were 2015, but we're not in the dumpster.
1:13:24
We're just a little bit down. We're a more attractive program
1:13:28
financially than we were in 2015, heading into 16.
1:13:32
But probably by every other measurable metric.
1:13:35
We are at least a step behind, if not more and opinion.
1:13:42
Makes sense. So again, we both kind of agree
1:13:45
that we aren't where we were. We're lower.
1:13:48
But knowing this fan base. Knowing the potential donors out
1:13:54
there knowing that how they're setting the money up.
1:13:58
If the next guy gets it Roland The things can happen, quicker.
1:14:03
Big time. All right.
1:14:04
Anytime Brian, let's roll into this Saturday.
1:14:07
Pick them's. Braun 5 & 5 this week.
1:14:13
Okay. What can you do?
1:14:14
The coin? Flip GT Miami is what burn me?
1:14:20
Of course it did. What's GTA in 73?
1:14:25
This week? Both got wake wrong, both got
1:14:29
pit, right? If you put twenty eight and a
1:14:31
half, like I said, sorry you lost your money.
1:14:34
I was all 53 juice for a heck of a lot more than I thought.
1:14:38
They would GT Miami. I know you had to be angry at
1:14:44
points in that game, right? Our it just like just put these
1:14:47
guys away. Yeah.
1:14:49
Please and they didn't find me one.
1:14:52
It was close. Close!
1:14:54
Close NC State easily. Handled FSU.
1:15:00
They won by two touchdowns so that line was we taught that
1:15:04
line smelly right? Yep.
1:15:06
Yep. And you know, next one up
1:15:08
Clemson, not quite the dramatic backdoor cover that they had
1:15:12
last week but they got it late again.
1:15:15
They did it again. We both whiffed on the Kentucky,
1:15:21
Tennessee game. Yeah, shout out him and hooker.
1:15:24
You took care of business, man, and I know there was a couple
1:15:27
questionable calls and no calls at the end of that one, that
1:15:30
made a controversial, but 8, shout out to Hendon hooker.
1:15:35
Great job. Biggest upset of the week,
1:15:39
Brian. Told ya that you got me on that
1:15:43
one too, man. Heard you upsetting Michigan
1:15:47
State? I don't we upsetting, they sort
1:15:49
of ran away from them. And again, you know, Purdue
1:15:56
playing a top five. Team is different than Purdue
1:15:58
playing literally any other opponent dangerous, very
1:16:01
dangerous. I like Jeff brohm, I like Jeff
1:16:06
brohm a lot. As a coach doesn't have the best
1:16:10
recruiting Style. But he's also at Purdue.
1:16:15
So, if you ask me what I like him to be the next head coach of
1:16:19
yes, but he's got to make his staff full of Ace recruiters.
1:16:23
I think he's a great X's and O's guy but we'll see his bio.
1:16:27
I'm here in his files, very high, probably some yes, like 7
1:16:31
million. Yeah, really high.
1:16:35
Washington, Oregon, Washington made it interesting for a long
1:16:41
time in that game on Saturday night, or you eventually puts
1:16:44
them away, You know what, Oregon's just like that team
1:16:50
that if it's somebody that's below them they are similar to
1:16:55
us. It's like they turn off certain
1:16:58
gears. Yeah and lucky with them they
1:17:01
have some Talent. They can turn it back on and
1:17:04
pull away at the end but you know you see Washington.
1:17:10
Let go of half their offensive staff.
1:17:14
Jenny Lake Champlain, Jimmy like going to get fired.
1:17:17
Yeah, well Jimmy Lake knows what Justin Fuente.
1:17:21
Doesn't that exactly if shit goes south, get rid of somebody
1:17:25
to buy you a little bit of time? See if you can right the ship it
1:17:28
is this is his second year so you know after having a I think
1:17:32
they'd at least solid last year and he's got a little leeway
1:17:37
there Ole Miss. Yeah I think he's underachieving
1:17:42
relative to the keys he was handed and that's that's why
1:17:45
people are getting antsy. See.
1:17:50
And I think that that mean you, you were essentially coming off
1:17:53
a trip to the college football playoff with the previous regime
1:17:59
and now, all of a sudden here. We are exactly Ole Miss handles
1:18:04
Liberty. In the Hugh, freeze bowl.
1:18:07
That game was over at halftime. I don't, I think Ole Miss did
1:18:10
nothing but Lane when ton lane lane ran the ball in the second
1:18:14
half, cut the game in half and essentially didn't give Liberty
1:18:17
a chance to come back later. Down, they won by 13.
1:18:21
I think we said they wind up. Well, I think we both said 14,
1:18:24
we were one point off on that one and the biggest game of the
1:18:28
day we completely screwed up completely.
1:18:33
But now am's winning, the other thing was Arkansas.
1:18:39
Beat Mississippi State, Arkansas is going to get ranked this
1:18:41
week. Mississippi state's going to get
1:18:42
ring unranked this week, but Alabama's going to have multiple
1:18:46
wins over multiple ranked teams, just all the way it's going to
1:18:49
look. They're going to continue to
1:18:51
climb any other game that culture out of this weekend.
1:18:54
Braun trying to think of any other ones.
1:19:00
That was that I watched that wasn't on this list.
1:19:02
That I was keeping tabs of most of the ones we had we had
1:19:06
picked. So always, I can't think of
1:19:08
anything off the top that really caught my eye.
1:19:11
What about you? You've won Ohio State and
1:19:14
Nebraska was Was interesting. There's one more that was that
1:19:20
in my poor cousin from Charleston, didn't get to go.
1:19:25
I know where you're heading with this one, by his sons and
1:19:27
offensive linemen, they have a state playoff game, and he hurt
1:19:31
his leg. He was going to go to Florida,
1:19:34
South Carolina and he didn't get to go.
1:19:36
And he missed chain Beamer. Absolutely walking the dog on
1:19:41
Dan Mullen, I like Dan Mullen. I just don't think Dan Mullen to
1:19:45
fit for Florida. Shane gets really his first big
1:19:49
win and, you know, a lot of people crying, we should have
1:19:56
hired chain. Like, you know, Shane would have
1:20:00
been a no-lose situation. Even if he comes back in 10
1:20:03
years, it's still a no-lose situation or a no-win situation
1:20:06
for Shane. Hey, what do I need to do here?
1:20:09
You need to win a National Title.
1:20:11
Your dad, got this close you need to win at 0-0 and you need
1:20:15
to win like Ten Conference titles.
1:20:20
Yay. What else?
1:20:24
Number one. Picks need to do a couple more
1:20:26
of those. What else?
1:20:29
You know that's it. Yeah.
1:20:34
Have one of the best 30-year runs of all time, you didn't win
1:20:45
a National Title and all this. He never had top 10 Talent
1:20:50
across the board. Consistently, if Frank Beamer
1:20:53
Has top-10 Talent across the board, consistently for his Run,
1:20:57
Frank has three rings. That's my opinion.
1:21:01
Pride anything breaking other than it has a nice finish to the
1:21:06
football game here. I think we're good to go buddy.
1:21:10
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