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Ken Rosenthal on Pirates/Phillies/Tigers camps + Padres sale update, Justin Turner's salary cap quotes · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 2: Oh, I also want to remind everyone about this. Then
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  Speaker 1: Now let's get to Ken.
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  Speaker 1: It's efty.
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  Speaker 2: Senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us right now. Can I
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  Speaker 2: want to start with your article on Connor Griffin the
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  Speaker 2: super prospect, the top prospect in baseball, and we can
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  Speaker 2: get into him as a player, but first I want
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  Speaker 2: to go the spicy route. You mentioned how the Pirates
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  Speaker 2: maybe mishandled their situation with Paul Skeins. Can you get
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  Speaker 2: into that. Does it have as much to do with
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  Speaker 2: when to call the player up versus also making sure
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  Speaker 2: it's a small market team that you take advantage of
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  Speaker 2: potentially getting a draft pick with someone like Connor Griffin too, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And I actually wouldn't say the Pirates mishandled the
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  Speaker 5: skiing situation. It was understanding at the time he didn't
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  Speaker 5: have much minor league experience at all. They wanted to
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  Speaker 5: polish off his development. Obviously, in retrospect, it looks like
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  Speaker 5: he was ready to pitch the major leagues. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know two years ago, three years ago, even before it
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  Speaker 5: was in the major leagues. But what happened was they
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  Speaker 5: didn't call him up until May eleventh, so they didn't
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  Speaker 5: get the chance to receive a draft pick at the
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  Speaker 5: end when he won Rookie Year of the Year because
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  Speaker 5: he was called up too late. Under that Prospect Promotion
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  Speaker 5: Incentive program, the guy has to be in the big
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  Speaker 5: leagues within the first two weeks of the season and
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  Speaker 5: then spend the entire season in the majors. That didn't
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  Speaker 5: happen with Skeins. And then at the end, and I
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  Speaker 5: wrote about this at the time, they didn't shut him down.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't try to prevent him from winning Rookie of
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  Speaker 5: the Year because at the end of this they got
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  Speaker 5: kind of nailed another way. Once he won that award,
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  Speaker 5: he gained a full year of service time under another
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  Speaker 5: provision in the CBA, So he gets the full year
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  Speaker 5: of service time, which of course costs the Pirates a
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  Speaker 5: year of Paul's skins, and he doesn't get them a
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  Speaker 5: draft pick. So how does this apply to Connor Griffin?
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  Speaker 5: As Ben Sherington, their general manager, told me, two different players,
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  Speaker 5: two different people. Griffin is a high school kid. Skins,
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  Speaker 5: of course, pitched three years in college. It's much different.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, Connor Griffin is a kid
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  Speaker 5: that looks like I know it's early in spring training,
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  Speaker 5: but This goes back to last season as well, when
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  Speaker 5: he was in the miners going through three levels. He
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  Speaker 5: looks like the kind of teenage prospect that can make
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  Speaker 5: an impact in the major leagues right away. We don't
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  Speaker 5: want to get ahead of ourselves, but everything you hear
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  Speaker 5: about him, everything we've seen so far indicates that. And
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  Speaker 5: the other element with the Pirates is if he's not
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  Speaker 5: the shortstop, then who is. It's probably Nick Gonzas or
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  Speaker 5: Jared Triolo. These are unproven players in their own right.
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  Speaker 5: So if the Pirates truly believe they have a unicorn here,
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  Speaker 5: another unicorn, a second unicorn, maybe it will behoove them
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  Speaker 5: to open the season with Griffin as their shortstop.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to get ahead of myself and I
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  Speaker 3: want to see him in the big leagues. But what
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  Speaker 3: do you feel or what did you hear from Ben
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  Speaker 3: Charrington as the stumbling block for him to get to
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  Speaker 3: the big leagues, because when there used to be playf
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  Speaker 3: service time manipulation. You know, Chris Brian had a few
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  Speaker 3: heirs in the minor leagues, so we need to keep
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  Speaker 3: him down, you know. That's what all these rules that
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  Speaker 3: Ken just brought out are not in the way but
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  Speaker 3: what is Ben Charrington saying the organization he's just young. Well,
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  Speaker 3: everybody's younger than somebody.
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  Speaker 5: The concern is that he is nineteen turning twenty. I
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  Speaker 5: believe in May and then he's young and that you
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  Speaker 5: want to protect him. You want to give him the
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  Speaker 5: full chance to develop into the player you expect him
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  Speaker 5: to be. Eric It's a legitimate concern. Kids nineteen years old.
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  Speaker 5: He hasn't experienced much. He's two years out of high school.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of crazy if you think about it. But
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  Speaker 5: at the same time, in the minor leagues right now,
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  Speaker 5: development is different than it was in the past. They
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  Speaker 5: play six game series in one city. They don't travel
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  Speaker 5: like they do in the major leagues. They have a
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  Speaker 5: day off on Monday. Most players get another scheduled day off,
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  Speaker 5: so they're not necessarily ready for the riggers of the
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  Speaker 5: major leagues, even if you'll leave them down there. It's
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  Speaker 5: a different world. So from that perspective, it seems to
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  Speaker 5: me that when you're in the Pirates position, when you
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  Speaker 5: have a player who may I said, may transform your
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  Speaker 5: franchise like Skeens, did you take that shot? And there's
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  Speaker 5: no guarantee of success. Mike Trout came up to the
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  Speaker 5: major leagues, I believe a twenty, sent back to the miners,
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  Speaker 5: and of course then became one of the great players
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  Speaker 5: of this generation. You never know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: No one knows for sure, but everything you hear about
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  Speaker 5: this player from teammates and opponents alike, not only is
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  Speaker 5: he incredibly gifted physically, he's big, he looks like a
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  Speaker 5: young Cal ripkn but he has a good head on
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  Speaker 5: his shoulder, the great instincts for the game. It seems
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  Speaker 5: like he's the kind of person and Tony Beasley, the Pirates,
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  Speaker 5: your third base coach, mentioned this to me in the article.
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  Speaker 5: Seems like the kind of kid who can withstand whatever's
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  Speaker 5: going to come his way.
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  Speaker 2: And Ken, that's where I want to finish on this topic.
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  Speaker 2: When you say he's got a good head on his shoulders,
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  Speaker 2: and you can point to some superstars thriving from the
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  Speaker 2: jump and others like Mike Trout needing a nice little
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  Speaker 2: pop back down, and then he comes up and he's
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  Speaker 2: a superstar. I don't really see any world where they
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  Speaker 2: don't have him on the opening day roster. His upside
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  Speaker 2: from day one is so significant and so much higher
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  Speaker 2: than anything else that they put out there. And this
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  Speaker 2: does feel like and this is where I'll relate the
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  Speaker 2: question a make or break it year for the Pirates
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  Speaker 2: for ben Cherrington. So percentage chance in your mind that
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  Speaker 2: he does start on the opening day roster as long
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  Speaker 2: as he's healthy. I don't even really care about much
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  Speaker 2: of the spring results, because there can be some bad
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  Speaker 2: at ballock and all of that. I've got enough for
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  Speaker 2: me to say, let's see what it looks like. If
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  Speaker 2: in a few weeks he's you know, three for thirty whatever,
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  Speaker 2: then you can always send him down and bring him
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  Speaker 2: back up.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think, Scott, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 5: Percentage chance would be hard to assess. I would say
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  Speaker 5: seventy five percent, and that's just an estimated. It's a guess.
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  Speaker 5: It's not coming with any knowledge of what they're thinking.
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  Speaker 5: It just seems to me that there's a ton of
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  Speaker 5: momentum for this. And as you said, when you step
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  Speaker 5: back as the Pittsburgh Pirates and it is something of
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  Speaker 5: a make or break year. Every year with Skenes is
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  Speaker 5: going to be a make or break year because you're
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  Speaker 5: not going to have him forever. So yes, they have
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  Speaker 5: to push forward now and they have done some things
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  Speaker 5: this offseason which we're quite encouraging as far as getting
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  Speaker 5: back to be a competitive team. I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 5: trade for Brandon Lao and Jake Mangum. I'm talking, of
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  Speaker 5: course about the signings of Ryan O'Hearn and Marcella Zuna.
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  Speaker 5: You're doing that, you're trying to win. In the past,
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  Speaker 5: the Pirates weren't necessarily trying to win. So if you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to win, you have to assess the whole picture.
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  Speaker 5: Who gives us the best chance to possibly make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 5: be a dark horse team in that regard, And if
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  Speaker 5: we did this with Connor Griffin, if it goes badly,
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  Speaker 5: what's the end result? What is the worst case scenario?
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  Speaker 5: And the worst case scenario is just what you mentioned, Scott.
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  Speaker 5: You send them back to the miners and at some
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  Speaker 4: There's free agent years where you're motivated to play better
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  Speaker 4: and you have a lot of things going for you
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  Speaker 4: that get you locked in the day. What has been
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  Speaker 4: the story with him and dealing with all these trade rumors.
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: We know they try to sign Boba Schett. What can
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: you tell us about this and how he's mental game
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  Speaker 4: spent kind of keeping up with his game on the
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  Speaker 4: field at Phillies.
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  Speaker 5: Jason I found it really interesting talking to him. He
• 10:44
  Speaker 5: says he was not bothered at all by any of this.
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  Speaker 5: It's been two off seasons of trade rumors for Alec
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  Speaker 5: Boem and he basically said he understands it's a business.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't take it personally. He doesn't stress over it,
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  Speaker 5: doesn't sweat it. It only becomes a topic when people
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  Speaker 5: come up to him constantly and say, hey, man, where
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  Speaker 5: are you getting traded to? And to that he said,
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  Speaker 5: I know as much as anyone reading on the internet.
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  Speaker 5: So the Bashette one was I would say, the closest
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  Speaker 5: call yet for Alec Boulm. I can't imagine they would
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  Speaker 5: not have traded him if Bashett had indeed signed with
• 11:17
  Speaker 5: the Phillies. But Bishett did not sign with the Phillies.
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  Speaker 5: So here's Alec Boum back for more his free agent year.
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  Speaker 5: And he's a guy that has been down on himself
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  Speaker 5: at times emotionally. You could see his frustration in his
• 11:30
  Speaker 5: body language and just the way he conducts himself on
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  Speaker 5: the field. But he's gotten better with that, according to
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  Speaker 5: one of the Phillies coaches, Bobby Dickerson, the infield coach,
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  Speaker 5: and it just seems to me that his head is
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  Speaker 5: also in the right place.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a guy that he was a.
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  Speaker 5: Number three pick overall in the draft. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: that he's had the kind of career that a number
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  Speaker 5: three overall pick should have, but he's had a good
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  Speaker 5: career and he's gonna be batting cleanup most likely for
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  Speaker 5: the Phillies behind Turner, Shober and Harper. He must be
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  Speaker 5: pretty good because he's going to be doing that. So
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  Speaker 5: he kind of is at a place where he knows
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  Speaker 5: where he's at. He gets it, and he gets everything
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  Speaker 5: around him, and in his mind, he just wants to
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  Speaker 5: keep improving as a player, and obviously as he gets
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  Speaker 5: closer to free agency, then the choices will come his way.
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  Speaker 3: Does it seem like he would like to go back
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  Speaker 3: to the Phillies or does it seem like when you
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  Speaker 3: talked about the last two off seasons, it's like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just gonna be done with this organization because somebody was
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  Speaker 3: trying to get me out of here. Don't know who
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  Speaker 3: it was, but did it seem like he was open
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  Speaker 3: to a reunion.
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  Speaker 5: I would imagine he's open to it. Actually didn't bring
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  Speaker 5: this up with him, Eric, But the reality of the
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  Speaker 5: situation for him is the Phillies have a prospect named
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  Speaker 5: Aidan Miller. They want him to play, and if Bishett
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  Speaker 5: had signed with the Phillies, the likely scenario is that
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  Speaker 5: Bashett would have played third for one year, then vacated
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  Speaker 5: third for Aiden Miller, and they would have moved Bashett
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  Speaker 5: the second, possibly traded Bryce in stot. There were a
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  Speaker 5: couple of different ways, of course they could have gone.
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  Speaker 5: So the writing is on the wall. So to speak
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  Speaker 5: for Alec Bouman Philadelphia, I would guess he knows it,
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  Speaker 5: and that's okay. A lot of times, you guys hear this.
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  Speaker 5: You heard it in your careers early and when you
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  Speaker 5: were in the minors. We hear it all the time.
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  Speaker 5: You're not just playing for your team, you're playing for
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  Speaker 5: the twenty nine others as well. And someone's going to
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  Speaker 5: take an Alec Bohm in free agency and it'll all
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  Speaker 5: work out as it's supposed to work out. But I
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  Speaker 5: would be surprised if it worked out in Philadelphia. Shocked
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  Speaker 5: actually did.
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  Speaker 3: Through the conversation that you had with him. Did he
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  Speaker 3: feel like he was treated fairly through his entire time,
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  Speaker 3: because early on it was about the oh, I hate
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  Speaker 3: this freaking place. Then it was his maturity towards the
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  Speaker 3: end of the season getting bench for a playoff game.
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  Speaker 3: Does he feel like he was treated fairly?
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  Speaker 5: He does not feel like he was treated unfairly, I'll put.
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  Speaker 6: It that way, okay.
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  Speaker 5: And the incident with I hate this place, that was
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  Speaker 5: something he owned right away after the game that night
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  Speaker 5: and the next day, if you remember, you got a
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  Speaker 5: standing ovation and the benching. In twenty twenty four in
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  Speaker 5: the division series, we didn't go through all of these
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  Speaker 5: incidents again, but that was because manager of Rob Thompson
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  Speaker 5: wanted more energy and he thought Edmundo Sosa would bring
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  Speaker 5: more energy. It seems to me that Bowman has learned
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  Speaker 5: from all of this, and as Dickerson said, he's kind
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  Speaker 5: of matured in many ways. So when he talked about
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  Speaker 5: the trade rumors in particular, he did not hold a grudge,
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  Speaker 5: and it just doesn't seem to me he's the kind
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  Speaker 5: of guy that thinks like that. He's like this is
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  Speaker 5: a business and this is the way it goes in
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  Speaker 5: the game, and he understands that.
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  Speaker 4: Now, ken you're at the Tiger's camp today, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: What's what's going on over there? What can you tell
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  Speaker 4: us about that organization? How they're going to take the
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  Speaker 4: next step after the way they finished the last season.
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  Speaker 5: Jason, there's a lot of excitement here, and I know
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of excitement in all thirty camps, but
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  Speaker 5: here they brought it in from Bervaldez. They brought back
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  Speaker 5: Justin Verlander, and they've got Kenley Jansen to anchor the bullpens. So,
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  Speaker 5: as one of their people put it to me this morning,
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  Speaker 5: they have some adults in the room now. And it's
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  Speaker 5: not that they didn't before, but this was a very
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  Speaker 5: young team and they needed, in my view, some veteran
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  Speaker 5: presence that the type that they kind of brought in.
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  Speaker 5: So I expect them to be really good. They play,
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  Speaker 5: of course in the al Central. No disrespect, Jason to
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  Speaker 5: your roots.
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  Speaker 4: But your next words wisely can choose your next words wisely.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe not the struggles. So they feel really good about
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  Speaker 5: their chances, and not only do they feel good about
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  Speaker 5: their chances of winning the division. But on paper, this
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  Speaker 5: is a team that you can see possibly getting to
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  Speaker 5: the World Series. And the reason I say that, actually
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  Speaker 5: there are multiple reasons. One the veterans I just mentioned.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, their starting pitching depth is pretty good, even
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: with Troy Melton now being behind. They have Jackson Joe
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: potentially coming back in August. And in addition to that
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: that depth, they have a the position talent that we're
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: gonna see most likely at some point with their rookie
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Kevin McGonagall, who might be the number two prospect in
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: the sport behind Connor Griffin. He's gonna be here and
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Max Clark he might be here too at some point.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: He's a top ten prospect as well in the sport.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: So once that happens, then maybe they have a little
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: bit more offensive oomph. And it's a team you still
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: look at offensively and say, Okay, it's pretty good Riley
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Green and good player Torkles and all that. But if
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: they get the kind of injection of energy and talent
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: and skill from a guy like McGonagall, that could transform
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: them too. And that's why I'm pretty excited about them
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: this year. They have a lot going on in good ways.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Can you saved yourself. I was gonna say, you need
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: to name all the pitchers you just named and say
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: how many hits did they get last year, because this
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: team would still be playing in the final game of
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: their season because they still haven't scored a run. And
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: to me, if you're saying this organization has a possible
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: influx of Max Clark and Kevin McGonagall, two impact big
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: league hitters, the issue of the last two seasons, yes
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: it's been offense, and yes they made some strides early
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: last year, it's been about more like immature at bats,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: more like young at bats. Do they have a plan
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: to combat that? Since they spent zero money and I
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: don't include labor Torres as any money. He was on
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the team last year a qualifying offer. But because they
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: spent that, do they have an ability to change that narrative?
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: They do, and it would come from within. They feel
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: that some of the younger players Green is a good example,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: are going to continue to mature and evolve as hitters,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: and you would actually expect out of them, of course.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: But I can see Eric at the deadline just kind
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: of the scenario playing out the way you envision, which
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: is they still need a bat and maybe some of
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: their young players besides Toorkles and maybe it's Cole Keith,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: who knows, Maybe they emerge. The guys were in the
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: big leagues already. Matt Vierling is back, he will help.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: But in my view, they still need some kind of
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: offensive elevation. Put it that way, and now maybe it
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: comes from McGonagall and or Clark, maybe it comes at
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: some point from an outside edition. They're going to see
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: how that plays out, obviously, and then if they have
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: to adjust to the deadline, then given what they've assembled here,
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: they absolutely should.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Ken enjoy your Florida camp tour. We will hear from
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: you on Monday on fair.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Sounds great, Thanks guys.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: We've got some good ones today, Yeah, a number of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: That's what he said. Clips that we're going to throw
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: your way from the FT Network. Yes, Kratz has shaking
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: his head. Got some good guests on this week, and
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: we want to make sure we highlight that and react
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to some of the comments.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So let's art with Joe Musgrove.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: We can't get to every camp in Arizona, so Friar
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Territory is handling some interviews. They spoke to Musgrove, who's
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: looking to put together a full, healthy season here for
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the Padres and they sure need him.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Here's what he said.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Did you try to put more pressure on yourself to
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: come back because of what other guys in your rotation
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: were going through?
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Not so much. Not so much for that reason. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: mean maybe a little bit of it, maybe, like subconsciously,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: I felt like that was part of my job, was to,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: you know, step up and fill that role, and I
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: think a lot of people were kind of counting on me.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: And it's hard because, I guess, back to your last question,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: one of the hardest things is having people constantly ask
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: you, you know, how you feeling, Are you going to be back?
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: Are you going to be ready? And trying to answer that. Honestly,
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: it was very hard because if I was honest, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: wasn't be like, hell, no, I feel like shit, you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: but maybe I won't feel like shit in a week,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: maybe I'll feel better in a month, But just kind
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: of lying to people and be like, yeah, I feel good.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm in a good spot.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: You know, stuff's coming out and my bullpens were good,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: but it was the recovery wasn't bouncing back from those
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: feeling very good. So trying to be honest with people
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: was very difficult. But yeah, towards the end of the stretch,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: it was more of a personal a personal thing that was,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: you know, eating at me. It's like I'd set this
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: goal out and I'd worked so hard and I had
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: gotten so close, and then that last month I kind
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: of took a left turn and wasn't feeling as good,
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: and I felt like all these plans that I had
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: and like this high spirit of like I'm gonna have
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: a chance to pitch, We're starting to dwindle away. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: I think it was more like the selfishness of wanting
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: to get in there and wanting to be a part
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: of it. That was the more of the contributing factor
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: to me pushing. Yeah, it's freaking awesome.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I love the honesty because how many dudes did we
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: see come back last year in the postseason, not just
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: for the Padres, I'm talking about around the league, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it's like, you have to be honest with yourself because
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: eighty percent of Joe Musgrove might have been enough for
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the Padres to say, Okay, we don't have a better option,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: but in his mind he wasn't probably even at that point.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: So I love the honesty.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got a lot more of that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And you know, somebody in a somewhat similar spot here
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in Brandon Woodriff, who was on Brewer Territory. We didn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: get to Big Wu. We got too many others over
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: at Brewer's camp. But Big Wu is also trying to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: put together a full, healthy season, and again, this is
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: another team that's going to be like, hey, dude, I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: know you've missed a lot of time in the past,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: but when you were pitching last year, you looked really
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: damn good. And then of course we got to the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: playoffs and you know, he couldn't be a part of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the mix. So Brewer Territory talked to Big Wu about
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a big upcoming season this.
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: Year after trading Freddie, and I'm kind of, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: the last one standing, and it's it's been it's been
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: a fun process for me, to be honest, and I've
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: never been a huge vocal guy, but I try to
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: lead by example and try to be the best and
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: most consistent, you know guy in terms of preparation and
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: and just you know, doing the things daily to get
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: my body ready to go, you know, play catch or
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: whatever it is, and try to and try to set
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: those standards in that way. But it's been fun to
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: talk to these guys and help them, and because I've
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: gone through the experiences now.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: That you know Quinn and Chad.
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: You know Chad and Mis went through coming out of
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: the bullpen in the playoffs, pitching in big moments, pitching
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: in big spots and doing well and drawing from those experiences,
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: just like you know at eighteen, that was that was
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: that basically springboarded me into into where I'm at now
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: and the pitcher that I am. And so I try
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: to just I try to I try to not talk
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: about when I come back to the metrics, I try
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: not to talk about any of that stuff.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I try to just talk.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: About more of the mental side of the game with
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: these guys and how to you know, go about pre
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: pitch routine or whatever it is, or type of situations
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: you get into them the field.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the that's that's the role. One one.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: They're paying him a lot of money in Brewers Land,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: But that's the role that Big Wu. I even kind
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of saw because I saw the maturation process in eighteen
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: from he had gotten a call up in seventeen. Then
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: he was kind of up and down in eighteen to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: the point where he was coming out of the bullpen
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: and giving us a big innings. So I have a
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: hard time thinking while he was talking there, listening to
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: what he said about something Big Wu hasn't been through
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: in his career struggles getting sent down, moved to the bullpen,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: having a massive role in the starting rotation, to being
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a cy young type of pitcher, to injury to recovering.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: So it's like he's just a great sounding board for
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: so many pictures in that organization.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: See sir, all right, sir, We're going to get to
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: another picture while Ron Washington is getting set up out
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: there at Giants camp.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Jared Weaver, the former Angels starter on Halo territory.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: You know, I came in young. I came in a
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: little you know, cocky. I started what nine and zero
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: or something to start my career. But those guys would
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: put me in my place when I wasn't doing something right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: You talk about, you know, going in the food line
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: too early, or getting in the training room too early
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: and not giving these these veteran guys that have been
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: around the time to get their bodies ready, because it,
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: you know, thirty eight years old, it might take you
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: a little longer than a twenty three year old to
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: get ready. So you gotta, you know, you gotta get
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: your ass out of the out of the training room
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: and and and get in there when you know no
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: one's in there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: But uh, you know, Lackeye took me under.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: My wing and really grinding me on working hard the
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: conditioning side of things, the weight side of things, when
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: to kind of push it when it back off.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: It's a long season, uh you know.
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: And I try to instill what kind of Lackey told
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: me and you guys coming up, and you know, I
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: might have some guys the wrong way, and and probably
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: didn't some guys probably didn't understand me. But if you did,
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: I would hope that you know, you kind of flourished
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: from it, and uh you know, and and you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: I just love being in the clubhouse and competing and
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: being with you guys, and and uh you know, maybe
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: my mindset kind of got a little bit out of
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: control with trying to put you guys in the right direction.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: But that was just the way my mentality was and
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: kind of learned from those guys and and uh, but yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: towards the end of my career, you know, with the
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: Padres there was it was not like that anymore, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: you know, I had to kind of back off and
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: and kind of cater to these guys, which was, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: it was hard for me to do. And uh, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: there wasn't any dinners going out, you know, with ten
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: to twelve guys or everybody was going to their hotel
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: rooms and playing video games and not hanging out in
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: the hotel bar to talk about the game afterwards or
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: you know, things like that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: So it was not only my career was dying.
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: But the passion for coming to the field every day
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: and then trying to work hard for those guys kind
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: of went out the window too. So it's a totally
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: different game.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: It is a different game. And you hear this from
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: guys because their interaction or their experiences when they first
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: got called up. You heard about the dudes that were
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: given him a hard time. But he also looks at
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: it as teaching as he was being taught because he
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: was cocky. The biggest thing I always said towards the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: end of my career, the players hadn't changed. When you're
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: twenty two years old and you get called up to
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the big leagues, you think and you know that you
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: are the best, and you look at these guys and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, this guy's thirty geez, what is he
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: He's a walking fossil. But the reality is you got
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: to be able to connect with all those guys because ultimately,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you're thirty eight or eighteen. When
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: you've come into a big league clubhouse, it's about trying
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: to win. And what Weave was saying was awesome because
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: he was being honest that maybe you know, there is
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: a lost sense of competing and wanting to be out
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: there to get better every single day, and it can
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: get lost when you're making fun of rookies, but it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: also to not put them in their place, but to
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: help them be the next steward of this game. And so, yeah,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: we Weave is a guy. He is definitely a guy
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: for me.
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• 28:42
  Speaker 2: sounds like the padres are going to get sold really soon.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It could come in the next few weeks. It's kind
• 28:47
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• 29:03
  Speaker 2: this regarding the process. Those two guys did not submit
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a formal bid on their own. They're exploring potentially partnering
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: with one of the other groups. So apparently there are
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: five bidders that are involved, and first round of bids
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: we're due on Wednesday, Like this is happening fast, Kratz.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It's five bidders and then they hope to have this
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: finished up by opening day. And we see this process
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: often happen that way, so you kind of get it
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: out of the way so that you can then just
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: enjoy your last ride, and then the transition happens.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: At some point during the season.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I think we saw this timing pretty similar with the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Orioles from what I remember.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: When David Clara Getty that group.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty similar where they took over
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: around the start, like we got the news around the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: start of the season and then they officially took over.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: No, okay, I just thought there was semantics thought. I
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: thought there was like a game and then they like
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: we're in the bar buying drinks right around when it
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: happened around Camden Yards.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: But whatever it was the official yeah yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So anyway, we're about to see a big change here
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: with the team when it depends who is going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: be running that team. Joe Lakobizibob. We talked about him earlier.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: He owns the Warriors. He's done a pretty nice job there.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And then there's an English Soccer League team owner. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: think he owns Chelsea the football club, which is worth
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of money, many many billions, many more than
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: what the Padres are going to go for. Padres evaluation
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: from from some of the publications has them like in
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the mid twos billion, but it sounds like they're asking
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: for three and I think they're going to get close
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to that number because it's such a vibe out there.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Kratz.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of room for growth
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and they dominate the city even if it's a smaller market.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're selling that place out. It's like imagine
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: if you have a freaking concert tour and you're just
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: selling out a two nights in a row or eighty
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: one nights in a row.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I mean they're they're printing, they know what they're doing.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And yeah, did they jack up the payroll a little
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: bit and maybe pay or overpay for some guys perhaps,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: but some of that's coming back down. I think this
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: is going to be a very profitable franchise.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, they've they've created they've created an entertainment industry
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: right there at the stadium. Like I know a lot
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: of teams are like, oh, we got to build around
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the stadiums. They won't say it, they won't say it,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: but they've created the energy in the stadium that's now
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: permeating through the city like it is. It's San Diego's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: only professional team, and I think, you know, it's credit
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: to the late mister Sidler, but what he created, what
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: he allowed the payroll to get to, was to win.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And I think this organization still wants to win. With
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: a j pereller at the helm and oh added a
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: repercussion or what happens when you put money in to
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: try to win, Fans start coming out. You get a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: good team and they have like it's like it's a snowball.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: They have like seven or eight games a year where
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: a new attendance record because they're adding seats, people want
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: to go to the game, and it's it is a vibe.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you just want you want you just want ownership
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: to come in. I just want ownerships that are looking
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: like the Mets are like. You just want them to spend.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: You want to make this league fun. You want to
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: get these exciting contracts. Obviously little bias coming from a
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: player's side, but you want teams. The more teams that
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: go for it, the more fun this league becomes.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cohen actually has the highest bid ever for Major
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: League Baseball, buying the Mets for two point four to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: two billion. But again this this is going to beat
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that number. Also, think about it on the franchise valuation side,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the current group that owns the Padres. This isn't like
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the Twins where they bought them forty years go. They
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: bought this team in twenty twelve. Okay, so it's twenty
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: twenty six, that's it's fourteen years ago. In fourteen years,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the valuation has gone from eight hundred million to now
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they might sell this team for close to three billion dollars.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: They are going to at least triple their money, at
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: least triple their money. Put your money in the market
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: in twenty twelve and then close your eyes and look
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: at it now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It didn't triple.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Nice, No it didn't. But ultimately that is what brings
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: businessmen into a business. But oh no, down business and
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: a sport that you know, what Scott's talking about is
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: teams and owners crying, oh it's poor, like we had
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to You don't understand. There was a lot of overhead
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: during that time. Okay, but now we're coming to the
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: completion of all that overhead, all of that although investments
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: and how you handled how you stewarded your possession of
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the team, it shows it growth. It shows it grew,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and they they had growth that now they're able to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: cash in. Now the state side, Peter Sidler's a state
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: is able to cash in. And I think it's interesting
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: because all we hear is, oh, we're going to wait
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: till the new CBA. We're gonna wait. You know, they're
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: probably gonna wait till the new CBA to put their organization,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: put their franchise on the market. It'll be interested to
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: see how if it's sold before this new CBA and
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: then the organizations that are sold after the CBA, did
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: they get a gold mine by jumping in a year early.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they're already starting to price it
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: that way, where they think POSTBA, your valuation goes up,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and that's why some of the teams are waiting to sell.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And really my point also is even simpler that they've
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: done a nice job with the team and the money
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: goes up. I mean, the money goes up with the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: league anyway, with the revenues. But they've done a nice
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: job out there, and Kip winning matters, it's most of it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But they haven't won a.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: World Series title, and they've brought a lot more of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a winning culture out there, a lot more of an
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: entertaining culture out there.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: So I know there's Dodger fans that are watching right now.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: They're going to insert their little bro jokes or whatever
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: they've got for the Padres because they've been winning and
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the Padres didn't. And really I can't harp enough on
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: going back a couple of years ago where the Padres
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: had them and I think they would won a World
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Series that year.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: That was that was the time.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: For some reason, it seemed, you know, distracted and just
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: they couldn't put together hits against a really good Dodgers'
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: pitching staff. But anyway, you fast forward and Kip, I mean,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: for a good chunk of your playing career, what did
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: you think of the Padres as a franchise.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: They again, as j I said, when Webby was here,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I never got to play them, or never really played
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: against in San Diego, so I never experienced competing against them.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, they weren't what they are now.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I think once Preller got there, once you got to
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: the Machado, Bogart's like, you got all these big names,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: big contracts coming in. You saw the NFL team lead
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: like that city loves that team now and it looks
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: like a vibe to play it. Like you said, it
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: looks like a fun, loud place that gets even louder
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: during the postseason. Guys want to live in San Diego,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Guys want to play there. It looks like the place
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: to be. They just were not able to get over
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the hump that year that you were talking about. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: who knows, maybe this could be this new ownership if
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: it does happen and the deal's made and it goes
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: through and it gives them a chance to reload for
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Preller to go after some other big names and get
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: there maybe after the Dodgers are finishing their run, if
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: they're about to go on a run. So it's one
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: of the better places to play in the league weather wise,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: fan wise, and if you have good ownership and ownership
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: willing to spend. Why wysees not II on most free agents' list.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Improwler is actually going to be there now for a while.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You just signed an extension. Yeah, there's back and worth
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: going on there. So yeah, he's he's locked in, all right,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So this is going to transition us to current free agent.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Justin Turner chiming in on the Socials last night. Something
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that popped was John Haymond putting in his story what
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a salary cap would look like from a proposal standpoint,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and then people were reacting. He said, early suggestions are
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: looking at a proposed cap around two sixty to two
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: eighty MILI and a floor of one forty to one sixty.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Justin Turner then put out their question for the quote parody.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: People who are pro salary cap, do you implement the
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: cap and then wait for all the deferrals like the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Dodgers to expire before you start seeing if the cap
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: works for parody. Do you not think this gives them
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: an even bigger advantage over the next five to ten years,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And then debate ensued.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: About what that would look like.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So even if we do get to a world where
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: there's a hard cap, because we have soft one now
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: a hard cap implemented. Yeah, they're not going to do
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: this overnight. It would take a lot of time to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: get there. But he said, in case you're wondering, the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: deferrals wouldn't actually start hitting the Dodgers hard until twenty
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: thirty four. They would be at about ninety and deferrals
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: toward a propose cap, so eight years until they start
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to feel it. I will say, though, there's so much
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: nuance to what he's talking about, because we still factor
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: in deferrals to the luxury tax numbers so you can
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: do net present value, So it doesn't quite work that way,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: and I think it's more worth talking out. The other
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: thing I'll point out there is, I mean, these stories
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: are coming out left and right, and the season hasn't
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: started yet, Kip.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Right now, we have some fans like stop talking about
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the CBA.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, the stories keep coming out and social
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: media keeps going to blaze about the topics. So yeah,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to talk about it all
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: day either. I know we're going to talk about it
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: all freaking winter long next year. But right now, somebody
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: puts out a story, puts out a proposed cap number
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: that definitely comes from a you know, somebody who's in
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: the know. There comes from someone on the league side
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: who's leaking that out. We're going to react to it
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: at least.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: A couple of things. Couple it's our job to talk
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: about it with this show. That's exactly what we should
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: be doing. It's a big part of the game, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: it's a big part of the direction this game's headed
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: to right now, where this is going to be a
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: huge story. And one thing that I think the player's
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: side has always kind of stood by is we want transparency.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: We want the public to have all the knowledge and
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: all the stories that we get so they can have
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: all the information to make kind of their own judgment.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: But no, these stories are very important because this game
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: is maybe coming to a standstill here soon because of
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: certain disagreements, and I want everybody to know what's actually
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: going on, and I want them to make an educated opinion.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: So these stories are very important to talk to talk about.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, Kip, you're a business man.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: If if fans feel like some teams you know, can't
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: spend enough and they're gonna have to spend a lot
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: more on a floor like that, Let's say it's one
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: sixty mil. I mean, there's some teams barely touching one hundred.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: How are they getting there? I'm going to tell you
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: how they get there. They're going to get there from
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: revenue sharing. And then this just basically puts in forced
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: revenue sharing. So I know the player stance is, Hey,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: if you want a cap, it's just suppressing player salaries, right,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it's concentrating them. It helps franchise valuations. Isn't the same
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: difference to just give more money to the teams that
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: don't feel like they can keep up and then force
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: them to actually spend it, because we don't do either
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: of those things right now? Like, Okay, you played most
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of your career in Cleveland, right, Cleveland doesn't spend much
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: in the offseason. I mean lately they really do almost nothing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I think they kind of push chips in more during
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you got during your last run there, right, twenty sixteen,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: there's a little more going on now.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It's like really really quiet.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: We had Mike Turnoff the other day on and he
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: was very personal, but very also very straightforward, like, yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: we don't play in those waters. I'm like, Okay, what
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: if I just dropped one hundred million bucks on you?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And it sounds crazy, but they have a new TV
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: deal that's going to come up in the next couple
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: of years, so it's not that crazy that they're going
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to get more money and they can figure out the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: revenue sharing a little bit more. If they're then told, hey,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you got to spend this on players, what's the difference
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: if your team then is forced to spend that way.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: What's the difference between that and then putting a cap
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: on something.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: I think the difference Here's one where I'll say the
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: difference is I think after we were making our run
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: in Cleveland around sixteen and all those years we were
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: able to sign Edwin and Carnrasci and I think for
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: four years for eighty so a twenty eight year. It's
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: granted it's spent some years since then, but you see
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Cleveland has kind of stopped spending a little bit. You
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: don't want a team, especially a small market team to
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: go for it, to spend some money and then have
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: to take a decade to lick their wounds from trying
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: to go for it. You want them to keep going
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: for it. That's so I think that's where the floor
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: is a little bit better than the cap. But listen,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: it's not like they're they're struggling to make money here
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: with TV deals and everything else. I think it's no difference. Uh,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: when you when you put it on paper the way
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: that you were laying it out earlier. So I think
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: you're using too much common sense and rationale right now,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: which just hasn't always been there in negotiations. But hopefully
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: it will be come to the future. I think there
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: is a medium, there is some place where we can
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: meet forward. The problem with these negotiations is instead of
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: just agreeing on the middle piece, it's i'll give you
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: this inch, you give me this inch, and it's like
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: it takes time to get there to the middle because
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to even give that inch. So hopefully the calmer,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: smarter heads prevail in the long run. But yeah, it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: just these are the stories that are going to keep
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: coming out where you're gonna realize why no, no sides
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: willing to budge yet.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Kras what you think of these parameters.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I just think my opinion is I try not to
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: be two players sided, but I'm trying to bring the
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: reality of the situation. This is an owner's I don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: have an issue as much with the guardians because they
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: do try to win the organizations that try to pocket money.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: It is where is where I have the issue. Let's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: say let's say the the Marlins. Let's go to the Marlins.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: There's seventy six million dollars as a projected opening day salaries. Ah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: they're just gonna automatically get to They're just with the
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: increased revenue sharing, they're just gonna automatically double their salary,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: like their salary expenditure. No like that. I just have
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing they're just gonna automatically
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: poof like generate this much money. This could be something.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: There's something like, like Kip said, there's something in the middle.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: There's an answer in the middle there because we have
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the soft salary cap that teams are willing to go over.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Teams are willing to pay that penalty, which then yes
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: goes to players. But it also goes to the lower,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: lower level organizations, the organizations that need the revenue sharing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: So why can't we have a soft floor where if
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: you don't hit this. I just don't like the parameters
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: that are there are just you know, they're they're putting
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: those numbers out in the media so that fans are like, oh, yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: that sounds great. That's my team is a small market.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: My team is not the Dodgers. So I'm going to
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to get behind this. The reality
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: is the Dodgers are going to get richer if they
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: institute this. Teams are going to get richer, and the
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: parody is not going to be like, look at the
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: other organize, look at the other leagues. The parody is
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: not there. So it's an organizational thing. Maybe when you
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: look at the league and you say everybody has to compete,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: it's competitive balance. It's not a CBA. That's just a balance.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: It's not a BA. It's a competitive balance. The point
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: of our league is to make every team compet. Not
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: everybody gets a trophy, but every team compete, and without
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: a soft salary floor, those teams have no reason to compete.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: They just continue to get their revenue checks, and they
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: continue to cry poor, and they continue to finish in
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: third to fifth place.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And that is the real battle going on behind the scenes.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: That is that is a fact. There's a massive battle,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: because we've even seen owners get public about that, right.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: We've heard some of you Yankees, We've heard Al Steimern
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: are kind of say, hey, I don't want to keep
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: sharing all of that with these guys because I don't
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: feel like they're spending it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And that's the.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Battle that goes on behind the scenes. I mean the
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: TV battles there too. You know, some teams are like,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: why do we have to give up all of our
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: rights to the league? And you see it looks like
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the Braves and the Angels are going to start their
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: own network. So there's a lot of battling that goes
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. But all we see out in
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: public is all right, it's going to be two fifty mil.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Dodgers are going to make eight hundred million dollars a year,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and they're going to create I mean, they might be
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: able to buy another planet and breed their own baseball
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: players with that extra money and make them sign with
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers. I'm kidding but in all seriousness, it's it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that's a tough number in my mind. Yep, I don't think.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to get anywhere close to that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And anyway, I'm just one of those people. I don't
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: think there's going to be a cap And I also
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: don't think that we're going to miss time. I think
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: that they're going to fake miss time. That's been my prediction.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to fake fake miss time means
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: we'll get to March blah blah blah. They'll say, oh,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: now we're going to start missing games, and then they'll
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: figure it out a couple weeks later when push comes
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: to shove and it starts to look like they might
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: actually miss them, and they'll be like, we're going to
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: flow some double headers. You're going to barely have any
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: spring training. They might not even go to spring training.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: They might just do like COVID style, you go to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the ballpark, you do a week and you just go
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and they say, well, you want to fight with us.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: You might not be totally ready and you get hurt.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I think it needs to be remembered too, that this
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: is a lock This would be a lockout, not a strike,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: too many people that were still alive, and nineteen ninety
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: four the players struck. This is the owners locking the
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: players out, locking their employees out of the business. Locking
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: up cannot come to work. So I think there's just
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: too many there's too many times where it's just been
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: very much like who the player is?
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: This?
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: The players? That to me? When this number comes out
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: two fifty to one sixty, if that's if that's what
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: they want, if they won a salary cap? What are
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: the owners willing to give up? Come next? John Hayman
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: article next next Evandrelic article next, Jason Starr Ken Rosenthal
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: all those articles? What are the owners willing to give up?
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Because with a cap players are giving up so much?
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Are you willing to let your best player go after
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: four years to free agency? Four years of team control?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: That's it, that's what we're willing to give up. Like, no,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: let's start here.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Know what happened there?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I can guarantee you what would happen there. There's something
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: that exists. You want me to tell you what would happen?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you like I could see that where they're like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: forget that three years, right, and then you know what
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: they would say, look at the NBA, it's going to
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: be super team city because if you're capped on what
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: you can say, you all the guys are going to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: go to the same spots that just treated really well.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And then you might even start to see some Quhi
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Leonard marketing contracts. Oh wow, look I can get an
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: influencer deal, It'll turn to like nil. Look I got
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: an influencer deal for one post. I got twenty million bucks.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: But I'm with the Dodgers. Now it could get real ugly,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: real fast.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: NBA is going.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Through a lot of problems right now. That's years A
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: regular season is sloppy right now.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: It's terrible.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Guys don't even play the whole year. Yeah, but it's
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: been years of very owner centric driven type of rhetoric.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: And I just want to make sure that when people
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: come to our show, do we say the player's side, Absolutely,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: because that's what we know. Me and Kip are idiots.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Kip owns a business, and I'm bald, so and I
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: had a below I had a below zero war. For
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: everybody who wants to comment on that, this is something
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: that is a two sided negotiation. So when you hear that,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: make sure you're able to listen to the other side
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: and hear, well, what would be what would be the
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: exchange there? What would be the exchange? Because the goal
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: is parody, right, because that's what we keep hearing parody, parody,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: parody fans want parody. Just make sure what is being
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: put out there. There's two sides to the to the argument,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: there's two sides to this negotiation.