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Parents Posted Son’s $10K Bail. Days Later, He Allegedly Killed · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So imagine for a second the profound, almost irrational power
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  of a parent's love, right, that.
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  Speaker 2: Deep biological instinct to protect your child at literally any cost.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, It is probably the strongest drive human beings possess.
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  But for today's deep dive, we are exploring a really
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  chilling reality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are asking what happens when that exact protective
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  instinct becomes a fatal vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: Because we're looking at a deeply unsettling case out of
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  Madison County, New York from August of twenty twenty six.
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  The source material we have lays out a tragic double
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  murder suicide.
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  Speaker 2: Right perpetrated by a thirty five year old man named
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  Justin Sislow. He murdered his parents, Steve and Donna, just
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  days after they posted his bail for some incredibly severe
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  domestic violence charges.
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  Speaker 1: Which is just I mean, it's staggering to even process.
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  And I want to set the tone for you, the
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  listener right away. This is not just a true crime recap.
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. It is a massive systemic breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to unpack the intersection of escalating
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  domestic violence, the bizarre complexities of the justice system, and
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  the devastating blind spots created by family loyalty.
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  Speaker 2: And we really invite you to keep a critical eye
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  on the timeline. Here watch how the warning signs just
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  completely compounded over time and how they were handled or
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  mishandled by both the legal framework and the family itself.
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  Speaker 1: Because the timeline is where the failure becomes obvious, and
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  to really grasp that failure, we have to start with the.
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  Speaker 2: Endpoint, right the Grim Discovery on McCormick Road.
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  Speaker 1: So take us to the morning of Friday, August seventh,
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  twenty twenty six, in the town of Madison, New York.
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  This is a very rural area.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's the kind of place where homes are
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  spread far apart and the community rhythm is very quiet.
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  And around nine thirteen am, that rhythm is broken.
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  Speaker 1: Because a neighbor calls nine to one one for welfare check.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The neighbor just had this quote uneasy.
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  Speaker 1: Feeling, which is so typical for rural areas. People notice
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  when something is just slightly off.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and normally a welfare check is the most mundane
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  call a sheriff's deputy can get.
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  Speaker 1: Checking on an elderly person or a barking dog.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But the second these deputies pull up to the
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  property on McCormick Road, the whole situation instantly pivots. So
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  because before they even get to the door, they are
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  hit with this incredibly strong, unexplained odor of pro paane
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  or gasoline.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, so the house is actively leaking gas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's escaping from the house. And that completely paralyzes
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  the standard law enforcement response.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it turns a quiet rural morning into a
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  hazmat scene in.
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  Speaker 2: Seconds, exactly. Because normally, if you fear someone is in
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  danger inside, you just greach the door, right, you kick
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  it in, But you can't do that here. The friction
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  from kicking a door hinge could create a spark.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't even think about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even using a radio or a taser could be
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  an ignition source. So the deputies are basically locked out
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  of a potential crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a locked room mystery. But the tragedy is
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  already complete before the first responder even steps foot inside.
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  The physical barrier of the gas leak perfectly mirrors how
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  closed off this family's crisis was.
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  Speaker 2: That is a really great analogy. They had to secure
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  a perimeter and wait, but While they were waiting, a
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  deputy managed to look through a first floor window and
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  what did they see? They spotted two deceased adults.
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  Speaker 1: Inside just off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and once the hazmat situation was finally cleared and
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  they could enter, they found a third body, along with
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  a firearm.
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  Speaker 1: Which we know where Steve Dotta and Justin Sislo right.
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  Speaker 2: All three died from fatal gunshot wounds.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, how does the sudden introduction of something like
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  a gas leak change the way you process a scene
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  where firearms are involved, Because if everyone was shot, where
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  does the gas come into play?
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  Speaker 2: That is the big unsettled question from the source material,
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  it remains this extremely unexplained, unsettling element.
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  Speaker 1: Was he trying to blow the house up to destroy
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  the evidence?
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  Speaker 2: That is one theory. It could have been a calculated
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  attempt to level the structure, a total annihilation of the
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  domestic space. And maybe the ignition just failed.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe it was just absolute chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Right, a side effect of a completely fractured, chaotic state
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  of mind after he committed the murders.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, it leaves us with three bodies in a
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  home that really should have been a sanctuary, and to
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  understand how the violence breached those walls. We have to
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  look at who these people actually were.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Steve and Donna were not living on the
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  fringes of society. They were absolute pillars of the community.
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  Speaker 1: Steve was seventy six years old, right, he was.
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  Speaker 2: And he was a longtime businessman, a local philanthropist. He
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  was deeply tied to the Rome Area Chamber.
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  Speaker 1: Of Commerce and the Capital Theater Arts Complex too, I
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  believe exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And Donna, who was seventy two, was just as involved.
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  They were generous patrons, They were known and respected.
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  Speaker 1: But the contrast between that very public, polished standing and
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  their private reality is just stark.
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  Speaker 2: It really is, because privately they were dealing with their
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  thirty five year old son, Justin, who was spiraling completely
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  out of control.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, small town dynamics really amplify these tragedies
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  because the victims are so deeply woven into the local
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  social fabric. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, the pressure to maintain a facade of stability when
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  you are a community pillar is immense. It often causes
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  families to internalize massive crises.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the first real documented crack in
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  their foundation. Let's talk about the March twenty twenty four incident.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, in March twenty twenty four, deputies actually responded
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  to that exact house on McCormick Road.
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  Speaker 1: For a domestic incident between Justin and his father, Steve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the police logs note that Justin arrived at
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  the house in a highly manic state. He was talking nonsensor, yes,
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  specifically rambling about cults, and this escalated into a minor
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  physical altercation.
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  Speaker 1: With his dad, but no charges were filed, none at all.
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  I have to push back on this idea of it
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  being a quote unquote minor altercation. I mean, if someone
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  is manic getting physical with their elderly father and raving
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  about cults, isn't the absence of charge is actually a
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  huge disservice.
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  Speaker 2: From a systemic view, Yes, it's a massive disservice. It's
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  a missed off ramp to get him psychiatric help.
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  Speaker 1: Why do families do that? Why do they choose not
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  to press charges in those moments?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the source material explains this really well. Families constantly
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  struggle with this dual impulse.
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  Speaker 1: Like wanting to protect themselves but also wanting to protect
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  the child from the justice system.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, they think an arrest will ruin his life, so
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  they absorb the abuse. But in doing so, they shield
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  him from mandatory psychiatric evaluations that an arrest might trigger.
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  Speaker 1: So they essentially chose to absorb his erratic behavior in
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  twenty twenty four without taking legal action. Right, but Justin's
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  violence didn't stop there. It didn't de escalate. It merely
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  shifted targets and escalated to a truly horrifying degree.
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  Speaker 2: It really did. This brings us to the anatomy of
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  his escalating abuse, specifically from roughly December twenty twenty five
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  to the spring of twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: We have to talk about his fifty six year old girlfriend,
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  and listener be warned, the details from the court documents
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  are incredibly severe.
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  Speaker 2: Here. Yeah, we are talking about sustained, calculated abuse. He
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  broke her bones.
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  Speaker 1: He used a hammer to strike her toes, which is
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  basically torture.
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  Speaker 2: It is torture. He used a lighter to intentionally burn her.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a Las Vegas incident too, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, during a trip to Las Vegas, she reported that
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  he forced a drug injection on her.
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  Speaker 1: It's just staggering violence and the medical aftermath for this
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  victim was catastrophic.
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  Speaker 2: She suffered rib fractures, broken vertebrae, and her.
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  Speaker 1: Spine which led to temporary paralysis.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. She literally had to be admitted to a rehabilitation
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  facility in Moravia over in Cayuga County just to recover.
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  Speaker 1: And she explicitly told authorities that she genuinely feared Justin
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  was going to kill her.
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  Speaker 2: She knew exactly how dangerous he was. But there is
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  one specific type of assault in her medical records that
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  criminologists look at as the ultimate red flag.
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  Speaker 1: The choke hold.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he repeatedly used choke holds that resulted in her
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  losing consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that specific act scrangulation such a massive.
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  Speaker 2: Indicator in the study of domestic violence. Criminal obstruction of
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  breathing or strangulation is a widely recognized, highly accurate predictor
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  of future lethal.
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  Speaker 1: Violence because it shows they are willing to literally take
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  your breath away.
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  Speaker 2: More than that, it shows a willingness to play god
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  with someone's life. It takes very little physical pressure to
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  cut off blood float of the brain, but it takes
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  immense psychological.
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  Speaker 1: Control, so they are rehearsing murder.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It is a homicidal rehearsal. If a partner strangles
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  you to the point of unconsciousness, statistically the chances of
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  them eventually murdering you skyrocket.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a pressure cooker with a completely broken release valve.
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  The escalation here isn't linear at all. It's exponential, right,
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  I mean, temporary paralysis from a broken spine proves the
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  system was dealing with a near fatal event already.
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  Speaker 2: It absolutely does. And documenting all of this took an
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  immense amount of investigative work.
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  Speaker 1: I read the Lieutenant aj Silverman was the one leading this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Altet Silverman did incredible work. It took six months
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  of just tracking medical records across different jurisdictions to document
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  the sheer scale of the trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Because she was treated in different.
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  Speaker 2: Places exactly Madison County, Cayuga County, even Las Vegas. Abusers
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  benefit from that jurisdictional friction.
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  Speaker 1: When law enforcement is looking at injuries this severe broken vertebrae,
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  hammer strikes, strangulation, how does that change the way they
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  perceive the threat level of the suspect compared to his
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  standard domestic call.
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  Speaker 2: It elevates the threat level to the absolute maximum. At
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  this point, they aren't looking at a guy with an
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  anger problem. They are looking at a highly lethal predator.
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  Speaker 1: So the physical evidence of Justin's danger was overwhelming. It
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  was meticulously documented by Silverman, and it finally resulted in
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  his arrest.
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  Speaker 2: Right in late June twenty twenty six, the Moravia Police
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  arrests Justin right there at the rehab facility where his
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  girlfriend was recovering, and.
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  Speaker 1: He gets indicted by a Cayuga County grand jury. But
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  then he just walks out on a ten thousand dollars bail.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the first mechanical failure of the legal machinery here.
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  But the investigation into his broader arsenal was still ongoing.
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  Speaker 1: Which leads us to July twenty ninth, twenty twenty six.
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  This is a crucial day.
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  Speaker 2: Very crucial. Madison County deputies execute a search warrant at
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  Justin's Madison.
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  Speaker 1: Home and they find what they were looking for, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They seese multiple firearms from the property.
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  Speaker 1: Which, given his history of strangulation, is terrifying. So they
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  take the guns and based on the massive six month investigation,
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  Justin is hit with twenty four new charges in Madison County.
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  Speaker 2: Really heavy charges, assault, strangulation, menacing, and even a charge
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  for promoting a suicide attempt.
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  Speaker 1: So he is facing decades in prison. He has brought
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  before Justice de Christian Fisher for the bail decision on
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  these new charges.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and the district attorney looks at this extremely high
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  risk profile and recommends fifty thousand dollars cash bail, which.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense, but the judge doesn't agree.
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  Speaker 2: No, Justice Fisher sets the bail at ten thousand dollars instead.
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  Speaker 1: The judge also issues temporary orders of protection barring Justin
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  from possessing firearms.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, so he is legally barred from having guns and
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  his bail is set at ten grand.
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  Speaker 1: We really need to break down the bail reform debate here,
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  impartially just based on what the source text highlights.
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  Speaker 2: It's important context. New York's bail laws are highly debated.
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  Supporters of reform argue that cash bail just harms poor
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  people and that many defendants can be safely released pre trial.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Critics like Sheriff Toddhood in Madison County argue that
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  dangerous individuals just go out and commit new crimes when
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  they are released exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But the paradox here as the source notes is that
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  this specific case sits really uncomfortably in that debate.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because this wasn't a cashless release exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The judge did set cash bail. He didn't just let
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  him walk on his own recognizance, but he set.
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  Speaker 1: It at a level the parents could easily afford.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It was a financial hurdle, but not an insurmountable
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  one for a family with resources.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the parents basically had to pay as second
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  in time for the same sun in a really short window.
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  They paid ten grand in Cayuga County and now another
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  ten grand in Madison County.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Steven Donna paid the Madison County bail that exact
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  same day, July twenty ninth.
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  Speaker 1: So Justin is released with his next court date scheduled
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  for August twenty first.
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  Speaker 2: And this highlights the utter futility of those paper protections.
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  The judge issued an order saying he couldn't have.
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  Speaker 1: Guns, and the police had literally just raided his house
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  and seized his firearms that very day. Right, I have
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  to ask, if the police raid his house and take
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  his guns on July twenty ninth, how is it physically
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  possible he had a firearm to use in the murders
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  on August seventh.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge flaw in the system.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't this highlight a massive blind spot in how we
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  handle protective orders?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, the system assumes a sterile environment, but a piece
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  of paper cannot physically intercept the bullet or stop someone
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  from buying a gun in a private sale or finding
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  one hidden off site.
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  Speaker 1: So the legal system set the price of his freedom
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  at ten thousand dollars, but it was Deven Donna who ultimately.
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  Speaker 2: Paid it, And that brings us to the blind spot
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  of family ties and those final nine days.
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  Speaker 1: Only nine days pass between the July twenty ninth release
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  and the August seventh discovery.
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  Speaker 2: Of the bodies, right, and you have to wonder what
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  the parent's motivation was.
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  Speaker 1: The Source attributes their actions to this incredibly tragic mix
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  of love, hope, and denial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just wanted to keep their troubled son out
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  of the jail system. They probably thought they could manage him.
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  Speaker 1: But the unresolved questions are just haunting. The official motive
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  for the murders remains unstated.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know if it was an argument over money,
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  a massive metal health crisis, or what exactly triggered the
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  violence that morning.
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  Speaker 1: We do know that Sheriff Hood expressed a lot of
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  public frustration that Justin wasn't remanded without bail entirely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sheriffood recognized the severe danger because perpetrators with this
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  kind of justice system contact often turn their violence on
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  the closest available targets.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that psychological concept. The text mentions family annihilation.
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  Speaker 2: It's a specific phenomenon where an individual, often feeling a
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  total loss of control in their external life, like facing
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  twenty four felony charges, decides to exert absolute final control
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  over their family.
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  Speaker 1: So, because his girlfriend was in rehab, out of his reach,
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  and the legal system was closing in, his parents were
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  the only soft targets.
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  Speaker 2: Left exactly, they were in his immediate physical environment.
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  Speaker 1: It is a tragic irony. The parent's ultimate act of
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  financial and emotional support, paying his bail literally became the
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  precondition for their own murders.
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  Speaker 2: They bought the mechanism of their own demise. If he
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  stays in jail, they are still.
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  Speaker 1: Alive, which poses a huge question. We talk a lot
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  about risk assessment for judges, but what about risk assessment
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  for families.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really tough area to navigate.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is it even possible for parents to accurately
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  gauge the danger of the person they raised? Or does
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  parental love entirely blind that radar?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, it almost always blinds it. Cognitive diss and it
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  takes over. You cannot easily reconcile the child you raised
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  with the monster the police say he is so.
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  Speaker 1: The tragedy leaves Madison County with this awful void where
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  two beloved community members.
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  Speaker 2: Used to be, and it leaves behind a legacy of
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  really difficult, unanswered questions about the limits of intervention.
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  Speaker 1: Just to quickly recap this devastating chain of events, we
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  saw a history of severe domestic violence that started manic
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  and escalated to torture.
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  Speaker 2: Right a classic high risk profile that was basically ignored
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  due to systemic loopholes and family buffering.
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  Speaker 1: We saw the physical seizure of weapons that completely failed
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  to permanently disarm a predator, and a.
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  Speaker 2: Bail decision that relied on the fatal optimism of two
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  desperate parents.
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  Speaker 1: It is just a catastrophic sequence, and it brings us
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  to a final provocative thought that really builds on this
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  entire deep dies.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, something for you the listener, Tom all Over. We
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  constantly view the family as the ultimate safety net, right.
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  Speaker 1: The last line of defense when society.
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  Speaker 2: Fails exactly, But when a legal system effectively relies on
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  that familial bond to act as an unofficial parole board
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  for deeply violent individuals, we have to ask, at what
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  point does that safety net transform into a trap?
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  Speaker 1: If we expect parents to unconditionally love their children, can
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  we also expect them to objectively recognize when their child
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  has become a lethal threat.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge contradiction. Think about where we draw the
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  line between supporting a troubled loved one and realizing you
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  need to survive them.
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  Speaker 1: It's a terrifying question. Thank you for joining us on
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  this deep dive.