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THIS GAY WEEK: One-Third of the World’s Nations Still Target LGBTQ People · The Karel Show

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Speaker 5: Where is it hot? Because it's hot in Europe. Things
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Speaker 1: It is not as warm as my friends are telling
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Speaker 1: me in the United Kingdom. But it is warmer for sure.
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Speaker 5: forty of them drowning. Don't the Parisians know how to swim?
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Speaker 5: But you know, it's just terrible. It's global warming, it's
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Speaker 5: climate change, and it's horrible. Before we get to the
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Speaker 5: bad stories, because there's a never ending supply of those,
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Speaker 5: I want to start with one you don't know about
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Speaker 5: sawing People magazine and I'm like, oh, we have to
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Speaker 5: talk about this on this kay week because it's a
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Speaker 5: good story for a change, even though it's not about people,
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Speaker 5: but it's still a good story. So there are There
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Speaker 5: is a gentleman and his name is Michael Stooke STU
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Speaker 5: with the two things over it c K East Let's Stucky,
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Speaker 5: so good old Michael Stucky. He's a farmer and he
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Speaker 5: runs a company called Rainbow Wool in Germany. And Rainbow
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Speaker 5: Wool is a company that was founded because he saves
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Speaker 5: gay rams that refused to breed with female sheep. He
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Speaker 5: saves gay sheep and he rescues them and then they
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Speaker 5: shave their wool and all of the money that they
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Speaker 5: raise from the wool goes to rescue gay people from
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Speaker 5: places where they need that we talk about from places
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Speaker 5: where they need to be rescued.
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Speaker 1: Story.
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Speaker 5: So he is one man in lone Germany. The nonprofit
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Speaker 5: Rainbow Wool was founded in twenty twenty three by Michael Studke,
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Speaker 5: a farmer who has been tending to sheep since nineteen
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Speaker 5: front ninety five. Coming from a background in agriculture, he's
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Speaker 5: fifty two. He was approached by his friend, not Lettas,
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Speaker 5: who works in advertising. Lette says after learning of the
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Speaker 5: prevalence of gay sheep and how there's a lot of them,
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Speaker 5: there's not just a few, she asked what happened to
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Speaker 5: those male sheep who refused to mate with women with
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Speaker 5: females as a ram that won't mate a U isn't profitable,
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Speaker 5: and so they're often sent to slaughter. It is estimated
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Speaker 5: that about eight percent of rams, so about the same
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Speaker 5: percentages of people, exhibit exclusively homosexual behavior. God bless them,
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Speaker 5: which means they just saschet right on through the pasture.
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Speaker 5: As someone who's from Russia, where it's still illegal to
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Speaker 5: be gay, let Day thirty nine said she was outraged
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Speaker 5: by the fact that these rams were being killed just
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Speaker 5: because they were gay. So to build the flock of
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Speaker 5: gay sheep stood Keep put out a call to all
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Speaker 5: other farmers and hobby breeders, stating he would take any sheep,
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Speaker 5: any ram that were being sent to slaughter for not
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Speaker 5: mating with the us. When we first started, there was
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Speaker 5: a lot of polarizing feedback. Believe it or not. Some
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Speaker 5: people were saying we were crazy, what's going on? But
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Speaker 5: gradually people understood that we are honest about this and
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Speaker 5: we're not faking anything. Because every animal that comes to
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Speaker 5: my farm needs to do a test, and that test
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Speaker 5: he puts them with a real sexy you, and if
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Speaker 5: they don't mate, they're gay. Ah, I love this story.
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Speaker 1: This is such an interesting story.
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Speaker 5: It is. If the ram refuses to mate in the
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Speaker 5: horny season, he says, there's a clear indication that it's
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Speaker 5: not interested in a female in a u. So then
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Speaker 5: we put him in our herd and then a lot
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Speaker 5: of action happens, if you know what I mean. So
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Speaker 5: they're horny and they go be horny with the other
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Speaker 5: male sheep. It happens within minutes, he says, because you know,
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Speaker 5: we gaze. It's like a little a little circuit party
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Speaker 5: for the gaye or for the gay sheep. So they
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Speaker 5: just go to town. So he's a married he lives
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Speaker 5: on this farm. He didn't know anything about gating day
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Speaker 5: gating apps, but Grinder approached him once they heard about
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Speaker 5: the story and said, hey, we want to partner with you.
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Speaker 5: Let's start Rainbow Wool and guess what they Herald did
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Speaker 5: a fashion show in New York's Fashion Week in November
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five with a collection of thirty seven knitwear
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Speaker 5: pieces made from yarnspun from the wool of gay Sheep.
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Speaker 5: The entire collection was designed by Michael Schmidt, a ward
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Speaker 5: old jewy and interior designer who has styled Madonna Cher
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Speaker 5: and Haley Bieber. So he knows the days and when
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Speaker 5: they started to sell the pieces, they decided and I'm
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Speaker 5: looking at the pieces, They're beautiful.
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Speaker 5: Now, there is a sad part to the story.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 5: And you know, because every story needs good drama. Uh,
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Speaker 5: So there is a there is a sad part uh,
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Speaker 5: and that is Jonah who who was involved in all
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Speaker 5: of this. Not Michael Stutkey, but Jonah, and I believe
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Speaker 5: he is some one of the designers. I'm checking who
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Speaker 5: he is he passed away from cancer or no, it
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Speaker 5: was Michael. Unfortunately Stutekey was unable to see the New
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Speaker 5: York Fashion Show before starting Rainbow Woll together. Jonah was
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Speaker 5: diagnosed with cancer in twenty twenty one, So not Michael.
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Speaker 5: On January fourth, twenty twenty six. He Jonah was the
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Speaker 5: heart of the project. Letti says it was our passion
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Speaker 5: project together like all three of us before Jonah also died.
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Speaker 5: He said the project needs to go on. The farm
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Speaker 5: needs to go on, because it's too important. Uh. And
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Speaker 5: so he set up the nonprofit, left all of his
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Speaker 5: assets to the nonprofit to fund Rainbow Wool, And now
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Speaker 5: the money that they raise goes to service organizations that
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Speaker 5: actually help LGBTQ people in marginalized countries. Either it pays
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Speaker 5: for their legal representation or it helps the Rainbow Railroad
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Speaker 5: another organization get these people out. And it's funded with
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Speaker 5: the wool from Gay Sheep. So I just wanted to
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Speaker 5: start with a good story, and that is a fabulously
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Speaker 5: good story.
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Speaker 1: I love it. It's so unique.
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Speaker 5: It is and before we go into it makes a
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Speaker 5: great story. Actually, I could see this as a movie.
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Speaker 5: They make a good Yeah. No, like the new movie
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Speaker 5: that's out right now, The Sheep Detectives, which is with
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Speaker 5: Hugh Jackman, and it's got you know, cgi Sheep and everything.
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Speaker 5: They should do it now, before we get to these
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Speaker 5: all these facts and figures that you've got for us
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Speaker 5: and the stories of the week, I did want to acknowledge.
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Speaker 5: I acknowledged this on my show on Wednesday, the twenty
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Speaker 5: third of this week. I'm sorry. The twenty fourth of
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Speaker 5: this week, Wednesday was the anniversary of the worst mass
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Speaker 5: murder in LGBTQ history in the United States up until
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Speaker 5: the Poltz Nightclub, and that was the burning of the
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Speaker 5: Upstairs lounge in New Orleans, where thirty two gay people died.
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Speaker 5: It was not necessarily a hate crime in so much
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Speaker 5: as they believe they don't know who really started it,
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Speaker 5: but they believe it was a patron who was kicked
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Speaker 5: out and a drug user. He just wasn't a good guy,
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Speaker 5: and they believe that when they kicked him out, he
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Speaker 5: went and got gasoline and locked the bottom door because
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Speaker 5: it was an upstairs lounge in the French Quarter, locked
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Speaker 5: the bottom door, set it on fire. Thirty two people died,
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Speaker 5: fifteen leapt to their safety, but they were injured. The
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Speaker 5: pictures are horrific. As I said on my show, there
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Speaker 5: are actual pictures of people holding bars trying to get out,
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Speaker 5: and they're literally ashes, but they're still holding the bars.
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Speaker 5: But the hate crime comes in afterwards, where the Catholic
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Speaker 5: Church would not allow any of the people that were
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Speaker 5: involved to be buried in the church or to have services.
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Speaker 5: They instructed their pastors to not say prayers that mass
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Speaker 5: for the people. Several of the bodies were not claimed
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Speaker 5: by family members and were put in Potter's graves because
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Speaker 5: the family was too ashamed. On air, talk show hosts
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Speaker 5: were allowed to say things like I guess it was
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Speaker 5: started by flaming queens. Politicians joked about it. Newspapers barely
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Speaker 5: covered it. It got a blurb in the back of
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Speaker 5: the paper, even though it was the deadliest fire in
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Speaker 5: New Orleans history. Up until that point, they have sense apologized.
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Speaker 5: The city has a sense apologized. In the early two thousand,
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Speaker 5: the Catholic Church apologized for their reaction to it, but
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Speaker 5: I could see Maga behaving that way today. It was
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Speaker 5: a terrifying event. And what's terrifying is that it appears
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Speaker 5: we haven't come that far since nineteen seventy three, as
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Speaker 5: I could see a lot of this happening. But I
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Speaker 5: just wanted to acknowledge it again, the thirty two people
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Speaker 5: who died, and the horrific way the city of New
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Speaker 5: Orleans and the Catholic Church behaved afterwards. We must never
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Speaker 5: forget the upstairs lounge, and there is a documentary about
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Speaker 5: it that everyone should go see. It is riveting, it
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Speaker 5: is moving, and it is heartbreaking. I cried on my
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Speaker 5: show about it. I'm not going to cry again, but
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Speaker 5: I did cry because I can still see it happening today,
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Speaker 5: particularly if it were a trans bar and the jokes
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Speaker 5: that people were allowed to make and the things that
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Speaker 5: politicians were allowed to say were aberrant and horrible and abominable.
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Speaker 5: And let's hope that we are able to make some
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Speaker 5: strides in the next fifty years, because the last fifty
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Speaker 5: years since then haven't been so good. But let's hope
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Speaker 5: that we're able to progress. So I did want to
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Speaker 5: acknowledge on this Gay Week the sacrifices of the thirty
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Speaker 5: two people at the upstairs lounge and how horribly they
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Speaker 5: were treated and their memory was treated afterwards. Okay, now
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Speaker 5: onto these figures which will also depress me, so let
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Speaker 5: me hide in my razor blades. But you've got some
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Speaker 5: really stunning figures from around the globe and from major
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Speaker 5: news and major organizations that need to be heard. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 5: they're not going to cheer anybody up.
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Speaker 1: So this is sort of a preliminary outlook internationally from
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Speaker 1: a variety of sources that tend to be well regarded.
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Speaker 1: So the ILGA World note sixty five UN member states.
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Speaker 1: At the UN there's either one hundred ninety three or
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Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety four member states recognized, so sixty
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Speaker 1: five is substantial. So sixty five YU member states criminalize
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Speaker 1: same sex sexual acts.
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Speaker 5: That's one third. Describe that's one third. That's that's a
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Speaker 5: third of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Seven legally prescribed the death penalty, with five others
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Speaker 1: having an uncertain legal position. Another source of Humandignity Trust
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Speaker 1: found sixty six countries criminalized LGBT people and thirteen jurisdictions
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Speaker 1: have the death penalty imposed. Legally possible for consensual same
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Speaker 1: sex sexual life.
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Speaker 5: Oh, but why do we need a prigma? Why do
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Speaker 5: we need a prigment? Things are great for the gays.
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Speaker 1: M h Ilga World also notes criminalizing rates rose to
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Speaker 1: your comments there in twenty twenty five for the first
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Speaker 1: time in a decade. Associated Press News notes thirty of
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Speaker 1: fifty four countries in Africa criminalize same sex sexual That's
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Speaker 1: over half stantial numbers.
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Speaker 5: That's over half. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Sixty three UN member states restrict expression relates to any bodily,
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Speaker 1: gender or sexual diversity. Sixty one imposted legal barriers on
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Speaker 1: organizations openly advocating for LGBTI rights. Only eighteen UN member
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Speaker 1: states allowed national legal gender recognition based on self determination.
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Speaker 1: Only seventeen have nationwide bands on conversion practices, which is
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Speaker 1: a reference to conversion therapy at all. Only thirty seven
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Speaker 1: UN member states and Taiwan have marriage equality. Fifty four
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Speaker 1: percent of LGBTQI surveyed youth by UNESCO in Europe experienced
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Speaker 1: bullying based on gender expression, gender identity, sex characteristics, or
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Speaker 1: sexual orientation. Eighty three percent heard negative comments. Sixty seven
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Speaker 1: percent were the targets you and aids men who have
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Speaker 1: had sex with other men, a medium of sixteen percent
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Speaker 1: experienced stigmare discrimination. Nine point four percent avoid healthcare because
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Speaker 1: of stigmore discrimination. Final writers found more than a dozen
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Speaker 1: African countries per pledge the pursuit of new anti LGBT bills.
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Speaker 1: After Agana Conference, twenty national representatives attended eighteen of the
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Speaker 1: twenty approved quote family Values unquote charter. So that there's
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Speaker 1: a layout of some of the slewthing that I've done
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Speaker 1: over the last week, giving us a pretty distinctive international
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Speaker 1: picture of areas for improvement, areas of concern, and the
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Speaker 1: reasons for Pride Month and other things.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, In other words, one third to one half of
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Speaker 5: the world hates us at any given moment. Why, you know,
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Speaker 5: Jimmy Somerville said it, I've sung at ten thousand I've
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Speaker 5: sung it probably more than he has. But you know,
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Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty something, he and Steve Bronsky wrote a
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Speaker 5: song can You Tell Me Why? And I mean the
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Speaker 5: lyrics to that song, empty and Your Rise. When I
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Speaker 5: turn to kiss his lips, you know, and it's still there.
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Speaker 5: The contempt is still in their eyes when we turn
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Speaker 5: to kiss his lips, you know, broken, I lie, blood
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Speaker 5: is on your fist. Can you tell me why?
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Speaker 7: You know?
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Speaker 5: And on my show this week, it's been tumultuous because
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Speaker 5: I have spoken about these issues and I don't get it.
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Speaker 5: I've never gotten it. I don't get it. Now. I
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Speaker 5: can give you the reasons. I can tell you that
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Speaker 5: the African hate the fifty percent of those nations directly
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Speaker 5: influenced by right wingers from the United States directly. I
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Speaker 5: can guarantee it. I can tell you what your organizations
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Speaker 5: send people over there. I can tell you how they
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Speaker 5: make it financially advantageous for these countries to rule this way,
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Speaker 5: how they give them an influx of cash to their
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Speaker 5: economy to make these rules. It is all hatred stemming
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Speaker 5: from people who claim to be Christian but are not
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Speaker 5: in the United States. It is US exporting this hate
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Speaker 5: outside of Russia and Chechnya. The rest of the world
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Speaker 5: pretty much has never really given a fuck about gays,
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Speaker 5: and now all of a sudden they do. Why hatred
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Speaker 5: exported from the United States. It's our number one product
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Speaker 5: that we export, hatred, and it's going strong and it
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Speaker 5: angers me. I've been mad all week long. This angers me,
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Speaker 5: you know. I want to say part of me want
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Speaker 5: to say fuck Africa die then, bitches, and they are dying.
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Speaker 5: They rely upon our money because AIDS is spreading like wildfire. Again,
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Speaker 5: Trump just cut off the money. I'm against Trump cutting
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Speaker 5: off the money. He just did this week to South
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Speaker 5: Africa and now they're four hundred million dollars short and
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Speaker 5: they're saying people are gonna die. But part of me says, well,
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Speaker 5: so fucking what you know. But again, it's the people
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Speaker 5: that suffer and not the government that makes the rules.
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Speaker 5: And that's always the way that it is. The politicians
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Speaker 5: that make these rules will not suffer. It's the gay
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Speaker 5: and lesbian people or the straight people who happen to
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Speaker 5: have HIV, which outnumber gay people in Africa by the way,
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Speaker 5: that will in fact suffer. And I don't want to
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Speaker 5: see them suffer, so I say keep funding them, even
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Speaker 5: if it's in countries that hate us.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 5: You know, we have to stop the spread of HIV AIDS.
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Speaker 5: But it's part of me just wants to say, you
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Speaker 5: know what, screw all y'all. I'd be like cartman, that's it,
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Speaker 5: I'm going home. Uh. And I think a lot of
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Speaker 5: gays are getting that way. They're they're getting like, you
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Speaker 5: know what, why should I support a government that doesn't
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Speaker 5: support me, no matter where they are in the world.
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Speaker 5: But the answer, of course is because you are a part,
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Speaker 5: because you are a valid citizen, because you do matter,
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Speaker 5: and your life does exist, and you should be able
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Speaker 5: to be open about it. That's why you have to
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Speaker 5: stay engaged and involved. But it's sad when you hear
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Speaker 5: those numbers. It makes you just want to quit. You're like,
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Speaker 5: you know, let's screw it.
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Speaker 1: And I should have two footnotes here.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go join the gay Sheep.
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna go go farm gay sheep.
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Speaker 1: Germany German gay Sheep. If you uh to the footnotes,
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Speaker 1: if you if a listener does note any potential factionlors
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Speaker 1: just gently and respectfully note, and then everyone else can
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Speaker 1: sort of have that correction as well. Point two. That
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Speaker 1: is a fabulous pink polo and I appreciate the horse
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Speaker 1: on it as well because I work at a horse farms.
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Speaker 5: So all right, well it's a real polo and Ralph Lauren,
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Speaker 5: you know, that's that was the thing, Ralph Lauren on
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Speaker 5: the polo horse. These were still these you know, it's
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Speaker 5: so funny that they're they're still here because in the
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Speaker 5: eighties everybody had a polo shirt. I mean everybody two
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Speaker 5: year olds had polo shirts. But the horse was bigger.
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Speaker 5: In the eighties. You can tell vintage polo because the
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Speaker 5: horse is big. These are this is a new polo.
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Speaker 5: But I wore pink for the occasion. Real men wear pink.
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Speaker 5: All right, Well, if we weren't depressed enough, let's go
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Speaker 5: to where you are in the Ukraine. There's two stories
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Speaker 5: coming out of the Ukraine that we're talking about this week,
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Speaker 5: and let's go to Martin Nikiv. What's his name, Marty?
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Speaker 5: Can we just call him Marty.
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Speaker 1: A Vinyl Frank kis Kamyer Ruslan Martsinkiv.
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Speaker 5: Okay, Marty, we'll call him Marty from UA dot News.
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Speaker 5: You know. Yes, he stated that LGBTQ people and child
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Speaker 5: free individuals are harming Ukraine. Do the demographic crisis. I've
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Speaker 5: heard this before. I just want to ask him. If
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Speaker 5: you're there, could you go find him for me and
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Speaker 5: ask him one question. How could eight to ten percent
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Speaker 5: of the population not reproducing cause a demographic crisis? That's
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Speaker 5: the first thing. Second of all, many gay couples have children.
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Speaker 5: That's the second thing. So the notion that being gay
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Speaker 5: is harming the demographic by shrinking the population. There is
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Speaker 5: a shrinking population, as you know, demographically across the globe. China,
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Speaker 5: Japan is having a huge problem with this. They're they're
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Speaker 5: not replenishing their population. The United States birth rates have plummeted,
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Speaker 5: and it's they're trying to blame gays for this. But
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Speaker 5: it's not our fault. We're not sleeping with your husbands.
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Speaker 5: You know, we're not robbing sperm in the night. You know,
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Speaker 5: if straight people aren't having sex and aren't having babies,
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Speaker 5: that is not our fault. But in some way they
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Speaker 5: seem to think it is. I would just like to
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Speaker 5: tell Marty Martin Nickock or what his name is, that
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Speaker 5: there have been gay people since the dawn of time,
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Speaker 5: and the demographic has been fine. So maybe it's not
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Speaker 5: the gay people, since we've always been here, and we've
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Speaker 5: been here and your demographic has been fine, your population
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Speaker 5: has been fine. Maybe there are other reasons for people
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Speaker 5: not having children other than gay people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an easy scapegoat, and an easy scapegoat is
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Speaker 1: a common source.
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Speaker 5: But you know, he is fifty percent right, Like a
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Speaker 5: broken claw, I mean, he really he is right on
21:00
Speaker 5: one issue that the main threat to the state right
21:03
Speaker 5: now is depopulation and a sharp decline in the birth rate.
21:06
Speaker 5: Ukraine needs people, many have gotten killed in the war,
21:10
Speaker 5: as you say, so we'll talk more about this we
21:12
Speaker 5: come back, because he is right. Every place around the
21:14
Speaker 5: world needs to continue having babies, and they're.
21:17
Speaker 2: Not state.
21:33
Speaker 5: Now is show side. So we're talking about Marty over
21:40
Speaker 5: in the Ukraine. And you know when he says depopulation
21:44
Speaker 5: and sharp decline and birth rate is a problem, it
21:46
Speaker 5: is and it's and that's the one thing Elon Musk
21:49
Speaker 5: is right about. Actually, nothing else, nothing else is that
21:52
Speaker 5: man right about. But he is right that a falling
21:55
Speaker 5: population is a problem, although the earth wouldn't mind if
21:57
Speaker 5: we find ourselves out. But here's where he goes wrong.
22:01
Speaker 5: He believes the States should support family values and encourage
22:04
Speaker 5: people to have children. Family values is code word for
22:09
Speaker 5: anti gay. That's code word, and gay people have nothing
22:15
Speaker 5: to do with straight people having children. So maybe he
22:19
Speaker 5: should look at the fact that a his country is
22:21
Speaker 5: at war, and war doesn't necessarily make people want to breed.
22:25
Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to bring a baby into war. Secondly,
22:28
Speaker 5: the economy of the Ukraine and other circumstances outside of
22:34
Speaker 5: the gay population are probably what's causing the decline, and
22:40
Speaker 5: not gay people. The same here in the US, our
22:42
Speaker 5: birth rate is falling, but it's not gay people that's
22:45
Speaker 5: causing it. And it's not a lack of family values.
22:47
Speaker 5: It's economic uncertainty. It's young women don't want to be
22:52
Speaker 5: saddled with a baby. They want careers, they want more
22:55
Speaker 5: than just raising children. It's the childcare crisis, none of
22:59
Speaker 5: the I will agree with him that they should support
23:02
Speaker 5: people who have children, and what I mean by that
23:04
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be rewarded for having children, but there should
23:08
Speaker 5: be better daycare for children. I think that should be
23:12
Speaker 5: the state, every state, everywhere, every country in the world
23:15
Speaker 5: should have socialized daycare period, end of story. And I
23:19
Speaker 5: think a great way to make that happen, since we
23:21
Speaker 5: have an aging population is harness older people to take
23:25
Speaker 5: care of younger people. I think that would be great
23:28
Speaker 5: for the old person and for the young person. So
23:31
Speaker 5: but I agree we need to have more daycare. He
23:34
Speaker 5: emphasized that criticism is directed not a specific individual, but ideologies. Again,
23:39
Speaker 5: that's where he goes off the rails in which in
23:42
Speaker 5: his view, do not contribute to overcoming the demographic crisis.
23:45
Speaker 5: How About the ideology of an unending war. How about
23:49
Speaker 5: the ideology of stratification of the rich versus the poor.
23:53
Speaker 5: How about the ideology of rewarding people with more money
23:56
Speaker 5: and punishing people with less. There's a lot of ideologies
23:59
Speaker 5: he could pick on. The gay one is not one
24:01
Speaker 5: he should. He should delve into.
24:06
Speaker 1: Keifs in particular, is a highly traditionalist part of Ukraine,
24:11
Speaker 1: probably among the most.
24:13
Speaker 5: And is that where that man? Is that where that
24:18
Speaker 5: man during the gay film festival threw some substance into
24:21
Speaker 5: the movie theater. That just happened.
24:24
Speaker 1: I don't know.
24:25
Speaker 5: That was in Kiev. I'm sorry, I was in Kiev.
24:27
Speaker 5: In Kiev during the gay film festival, A man spilid on.
24:31
Speaker 5: I don't know what that is means, spilid on unknown
24:34
Speaker 5: substance in the movie theater. He threw an unknown substance
24:38
Speaker 5: into the movie theater. But I thought that might be
24:41
Speaker 5: in the conservative area.
24:45
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of conservatives areas in
24:47
Speaker 1: the country. It is a pretty conservative country. It's highly
24:50
Speaker 1: religious country, religious Russia, and you're becoming more religious, They're
24:54
Speaker 1: becoming more religious I mean, the more preliminary research on
24:57
Speaker 1: this area is basically threefold. One of the the number
25:01
Speaker 1: of those who have supernatural beliefs are increasing, the people
25:06
Speaker 1: who have increased religious affiliation is increasing, and those who
25:10
Speaker 1: have superstit practice are increasing.
25:13
Speaker 5: That's odd because that demographic goes against what's happening in
25:17
Speaker 5: the world overall. In the world, religion is on the downturn.
25:22
Speaker 1: It's more most marked in the Jehovah's Witnesses. Probably here
25:26
Speaker 1: they are growing and fast, they're crazy, and they only
25:29
Speaker 1: started immediately post Soviet maybe one thousand or fifteen hundred
25:34
Speaker 1: or two thousand. Please check me on that. People came
25:37
Speaker 1: in at that time and now they're at over one
25:39
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand.
25:41
Speaker 5: I thought I thought there was a population I thought
25:44
Speaker 5: there was a population crisis and people weren't having babies.
25:47
Speaker 5: Obviously Jehovah Witnesses are having babies right.
25:51
Speaker 1: Well. The big thing is if you look at the
25:52
Speaker 1: international studitions, that stuff, basically musk is correct only if
25:58
Speaker 1: you module on the timeline, if you start the panic
26:03
Speaker 1: twenty five years from now or twenty years from now,
26:06
Speaker 1: because the way that they typically calculate the stuff at
26:09
Speaker 1: the UN and their reports is the population has been
26:12
Speaker 1: stagnant or declining for more than one year, and then
26:17
Speaker 1: it is officially a population declining. Stagnant doesn't count for
26:21
Speaker 1: one year, Declining for one year doesn't count. Has to
26:24
Speaker 1: be more than one And different countries decline at different rates,
26:28
Speaker 1: some sort of the nineties, some sort of two thousands,
26:30
Speaker 1: of twenty tens, and so even if a bunch more
26:33
Speaker 1: started in the twenty twenties, which has happened, but not
26:37
Speaker 1: to believe that.
26:38
Speaker 5: But it's not really a gay story. But but no,
26:41
Speaker 5: I mean, there has to be a reason for worldwide
26:45
Speaker 5: population decline, and please don't give it to the queer.
26:49
Speaker 5: We're not doing it. There has to be a reason,
26:52
Speaker 5: and I would be more interested in people doing research
26:55
Speaker 5: as to the actual reasons people are not. You know,
27:01
Speaker 5: I tend to believe the number one reason is economic.
27:03
Speaker 5: That that's what I believe. A kid in America cost
27:08
Speaker 5: you about a million dollars right now. That's from zero
27:11
Speaker 5: to eighteen, obviously more if they're a Kardashian, but you know,
27:16
Speaker 5: so from zero to eighteen, it's about a million dollars.
27:19
Speaker 5: And people look at that and they think, I just
27:20
Speaker 5: don't have it. And second of all, people are discovering
27:24
Speaker 5: their selves and their lives later on. Now people are
27:27
Speaker 5: just getting in their careers in the thirties and the forties,
27:30
Speaker 5: and by that time it's too late to have a kid.
27:33
Speaker 5: And so, you know, I would like to see research
27:38
Speaker 5: on why there is an actual world wide decline, not
27:41
Speaker 5: just in the Ukraine, but worldwide in birth rates. I
27:45
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't think that way. I'm not straight.
27:48
Speaker 5: I never wanted to have children. I have fabulous nieces
27:50
Speaker 5: and nephews. I don't need my own kids. Andrew wanted
27:53
Speaker 5: to have children, but I, you know, and I would
27:56
Speaker 5: have done it with him, but as a single gay
27:58
Speaker 5: mail no desire, And so I don't understand the want
28:03
Speaker 5: to have a child. And given the way the world
28:05
Speaker 5: is right now, if I were straight, I wouldn't bring
28:08
Speaker 5: a child into the world. Look what's happening in Europe.
28:10
Speaker 5: It's one hundred and five degrees. Climate change is out
28:13
Speaker 5: of control. Can you imagine what the planet's going to
28:15
Speaker 5: be in thirty or forty years. I wouldn't put a
28:17
Speaker 5: child in that. I just wouldn't. You're straight, do you
28:20
Speaker 5: want a kid?
28:23
Speaker 1: No comment?
28:25
Speaker 5: Well, how old are you, How old are you and
28:29
Speaker 5: you don't have a child? No, you're part of the problem.
28:35
Speaker 5: He's speaking about you.
28:36
Speaker 1: Well also well here specifically, as you're noting about the
28:41
Speaker 1: amount of people in the war who have gone to
28:44
Speaker 1: the frontline, the amount of individuals who have left the country,
28:47
Speaker 1: and the number of women who don't want to have
28:51
Speaker 1: a child. In these circumstances, the concern is more legitimate domestically,
28:58
Speaker 1: but the direction of the blame is incorrect. I think
29:02
Speaker 1: it's right.
29:04
Speaker 5: We're not to blame. Okays, they're not to blame. I
29:05
Speaker 5: don't want to know why you haven't had kids? Why
29:08
Speaker 5: haven't you had children? You're a thirty fifth year old,
29:10
Speaker 5: great attractive man. Why have you never wanted to have
29:13
Speaker 5: a kiss? I'll I'll let you ponder that during the break.
29:18
Speaker 5: None of no comment. We are not in a British
29:20
Speaker 5: TV crime cathedral. No comment, no comment.
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30:13
Speaker 5: No, now, don't take this. The reason I asked Scott
30:21
Speaker 5: is because I think me and my listeners would agree
30:23
Speaker 5: you are the exact person we'd want to have children.
30:28
Speaker 5: You're educated, You're well rounded, liberal insomuch as you know
30:33
Speaker 5: your acceptance of people for who they are. You like
30:35
Speaker 5: to stay informed. You are, You're inquisitive about the world.
30:39
Speaker 5: You know, you are exactly the person that would make
30:42
Speaker 5: an incredible father, and yet you choose not to have children.
30:46
Speaker 5: And I did some research. It is people like you
30:50
Speaker 5: that are not having children, the most educated, the most
30:53
Speaker 5: well traveled, the people like you, like my stepson Jeremy Dittman,
30:59
Speaker 5: who is an mdphd at Cornell, and his lawyer wife,
31:03
Speaker 5: who is one of the few females that run a
31:05
Speaker 5: multi billion dollar hedge fund, Blackstone or black something it's called.
31:10
Speaker 5: They don't have kids, and they don't want kids, and
31:14
Speaker 5: yet they're that they are two people that would make
31:16
Speaker 5: beautiful children, you know, and yet they choose not to.
31:20
Speaker 5: And it seems to be the more uneducated and poorer
31:24
Speaker 5: you are, the more kids you have, the more educated
31:27
Speaker 5: and world worldly that you are the less children you have.
31:32
Speaker 5: Why do you think that is? Why do you think
31:35
Speaker 5: more educated, well traveled, well versed individuals are not about
31:40
Speaker 5: having children.
31:44
Speaker 1: That is going to depend on the individual.
31:47
Speaker 5: Well, I'm talking to what right now that doesn't have children.
31:52
Speaker 1: I can either confirm or deny the rooms. So I
31:56
Speaker 1: would say, for.
31:58
Speaker 5: Wait, do you Chldren that you were aware of that?
32:02
Speaker 5: I guess that's the question. So all right, we'll go
32:06
Speaker 5: on to the next Kiev story. But but you are
32:08
Speaker 5: the person that should be having babies and you're not,
32:12
Speaker 5: And that's the problem. Don't blame don't blame the gays.
32:15
Speaker 5: Blame you. You're the problem, not me. You you're the problem.
32:21
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I've gotten lots of accusations over the years,
32:25
Speaker 1: you know, and then you've gotten the physical threats. My god,
32:28
Speaker 1: you know.
32:29
Speaker 5: Well, another story out of Kiev, A good one. Actually,
32:33
Speaker 5: well it's it's good, but it's but it's also bad,
32:36
Speaker 5: but it's good. On June twenty first, just this last week,
32:41
Speaker 5: representatives of the gay community LGBTQ community gathered in the
32:44
Speaker 5: capital under the slogan our families are part of Ukraine.
32:48
Speaker 5: Because of the March law enforcement officers completely blocked the
32:51
Speaker 5: city center because you know, we gaze, we get routy uh.
32:54
Speaker 5: The main group of activists gathered near Tatas Shavnshenko Park,
32:59
Speaker 5: according to Radio Liberty. At the same time, a rally
33:02
Speaker 5: of supporters for Traditional Values, which is keyword for anti gay,
33:07
Speaker 5: was held on chrish Tactic to mark Father's Day. Participants
33:14
Speaker 5: in the event spoke out in defense of natural Ukrainian families.
33:18
Speaker 5: Whatever that means being gay is not unnatural, they asked
33:21
Speaker 5: the sheep in Germany, they recalled that the natural from
33:26
Speaker 5: Ghana exactly. Participants in the march appealed to Verkovona Rada
33:33
Speaker 5: demanding changes to the draft of the new Civil Code.
33:37
Speaker 5: They were outraged that in the current version of the document,
33:40
Speaker 5: family is defined exclusively as between a man and a woman.
33:43
Speaker 5: They also insist on the registration of the same Yeah,
33:47
Speaker 5: it defines basically everything as men and woman. H The
33:51
Speaker 5: activists also insist on the registration of same sex partnerships,
33:55
Speaker 5: despite protests from supporters of Traditional Values. The anniversary march
33:59
Speaker 5: ended an to the protection of security forces, as the
34:02
Speaker 5: UOJ reported key of authorities announced transport restrictions due to
34:06
Speaker 5: the gay Pride Parade. The good news is it happened
34:09
Speaker 5: and there was no real violence. Nobody died, no, you
34:12
Speaker 5: know no, there might have been some skirmishes, but nothing
34:15
Speaker 5: that terrible. It happened, and it happened peacefully for the
34:20
Speaker 5: most part, So that that's the good news. The bad
34:23
Speaker 5: news is that code that they were protesting, which states
34:26
Speaker 5: that marriage is between a man and a woman exclusively.
34:30
Speaker 5: They have problems with that. And I can see why
34:35
Speaker 5: did you go? You were there? You should have gone.
34:39
Speaker 1: I was working.
34:40
Speaker 5: Well, that would have been working. You'd have been.
34:43
Speaker 1: Working, would I would have pretty popular? Forty?
34:50
Speaker 5: Sure? Yeah, no, you wouldn't have to buy one drive that. Yeah,
34:55
Speaker 5: you would have. You'd been you'd have been good.
34:59
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't been paying for anything. Oh, who've
35:01
Speaker 1: been handing me glitter?
35:03
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. Add to that event, not only in
35:08
Speaker 5: Kiev did we have marches, but since it is June
35:11
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35:47
Speaker 5: So the anniversary of Stonewall is just in a couple
35:49
Speaker 5: of days, because today's twenty six. Assist in a couple
35:51
Speaker 5: of days.
35:52
Speaker 1: Uh.
35:53
Speaker 5: And you were going to say something before we move
35:55
Speaker 5: on to the other good news about Pride, So go.
35:57
Speaker 1: On a shoutout to Mikhailo Yurov, a project manager for
36:03
Speaker 1: Keith Pride, who I did an interview right on the
36:05
Speaker 1: downtown strip on crushatik.
36:08
Speaker 5: That's how you pronounce that, so Ago, that's how you
36:10
Speaker 5: pronounce that. Okay, he was there. I bet he was there.
36:13
Speaker 5: June twenty first.
36:16
Speaker 1: Likely there was counter protests to the roses.
36:18
Speaker 5: No, there always are, even over here. Other good news
36:21
Speaker 5: there were LGBTQ Pride marches in Bosnia, in North Macedonia.
36:29
Speaker 1: Uh.
36:29
Speaker 5: And they you know, they offer messages of hope, because
36:32
Speaker 5: in Sarajevo, in Skopchi they had them. And you know,
36:38
Speaker 5: again they may not be well liked, they may not
36:42
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of the population may not approve,
36:44
Speaker 5: but they're having them, and particularly North Macedonia, who even
36:49
Speaker 5: knew there weregaes there, but there are, and they were
36:52
Speaker 5: demanding equal rights for members of their community and promoting visibility.
36:56
Speaker 5: This is Sarajevo's seventh Pride March, and that's that's something,
37:02
Speaker 5: and it takes courage to be in Sarajevo and go
37:04
Speaker 5: out there in march in a Pride march, and so
37:07
Speaker 5: congratulations to them. The organizers called for changes to restrictive
37:12
Speaker 5: policies about public assembly, for measures to be eased, but
37:17
Speaker 5: no incidents were recorded during the march. They had anti
37:21
Speaker 5: fascist speakers, peace and solidarity messages. They wanted to support
37:26
Speaker 5: victims of violence. They wanted to highlight issues and other
37:30
Speaker 5: everyday challenges faced by LGBTQ plus people in Bosnia and
37:33
Speaker 5: Herzegovina while promoting equality, visibility and protection from discrimination. So
37:39
Speaker 5: the same themes at every Pride event. We all want
37:42
Speaker 5: the exact same things, no matter what the country. In
37:47
Speaker 5: North Macedonia, the same thing. They took over the capital
37:50
Speaker 5: for the eighth annual scolpe G Pride on Saturday under
37:54
Speaker 5: the slogan let everybody know, no one had to ask
37:58
Speaker 5: me a message against social a message against silent social
38:03
Speaker 5: exclusion and people being forced to hide. We refuse to
38:06
Speaker 5: accept that our lives are only allowed to exist behind
38:09
Speaker 5: closed doors, said one of the organizers. The march through
38:12
Speaker 5: Scolpture highlighted the ongoing struggle for gay rights, celebrating diversity
38:16
Speaker 5: and condemning discrimination, again the same theme that Pride has
38:20
Speaker 5: had since nineteen sixty nine. But I don't know if
38:25
Speaker 5: the I just wonder if Marcia P. Johnson, one of
38:30
Speaker 5: the Stonewall people, and others who were at Stonewall, there
38:35
Speaker 5: are a couple that are still alive. I guess we
38:37
Speaker 5: could ask them. I wonder if they ever envisioned that
38:43
Speaker 5: their little riot would be the cause for marches in
38:49
Speaker 5: North Macedonia or Bosnia Herzegovina. I mean for a little riot.
38:55
Speaker 5: I mean there was a big riot. But let's be real,
38:58
Speaker 5: there were other riots before a Stonewall. I could listen
39:01
Speaker 5: to you places in La. There's a certain cafe in
39:04
Speaker 5: La where there was a stand off. There were other events,
39:09
Speaker 5: but the stone Wall really stuck. And I don't think
39:14
Speaker 5: they knew that that was almost like Sumter's Fort. That
39:18
Speaker 5: was almost like making a Civil War reference that was
39:21
Speaker 5: almost like the shot heard round the world, because it
39:25
Speaker 5: really was the shot heard round the world. And people
39:28
Speaker 5: are still listening. And that's pretty incredible for a movement
39:33
Speaker 5: if you ask me, and that it's still growing. You know,
39:36
Speaker 5: this started in nineteen sixty nine and here we are
39:39
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six where more countries are having prides
39:42
Speaker 5: for the first time. So their movement, which was what
39:46
Speaker 5: thirty one fifty seven years ago, their movement is still
39:51
Speaker 5: growing and that's pretty damn impressive.
39:57
Speaker 1: And also, I mean when the Soviet Union was united,
40:00
Speaker 1: it was fifteen socialist republics, right, Yes, that would have
40:05
Speaker 1: been a completely different picture in terms of what could
40:08
Speaker 1: be envisioned at that time.
40:11
Speaker 5: Well, even the Ukraine, if it was still part of Russia,
40:13
Speaker 5: would not be having this, you know, because Russia would
40:17
Speaker 5: have put the cow bush on it. But the kabash
40:20
Speaker 5: or whatever the word is. So there's a count of bush.
40:22
Speaker 5: I don't know.
40:22
Speaker 1: It was formally defined as a mental disorder at the time. Yeah,
40:25
Speaker 1: litional sexuality.
40:26
Speaker 5: Well, and half of Africa it still is. All right.
40:30
Speaker 5: You pulled up the IPSOS Pride Report twenty twenty six,
40:34
Speaker 5: and what did you learn from it?
40:41
Speaker 1: Attitudes are stabilizing across twenty six countries after quote woke clash.
40:47
Speaker 1: Corporate quality support average is but forty two percent below
40:50
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one to forty nine percent average. So
40:52
Speaker 1: this has gone to a lot of our prior commentaries
40:56
Speaker 1: around essentially fair weather allyship from corporations or some of them.
41:04
Speaker 5: You gotta love the Dutch. According to this report, eighty
41:07
Speaker 5: percent of the Netherlands approves the same sex marriage. I
41:10
Speaker 5: mean that that is an overwhelming majority. Seventy four percent
41:16
Speaker 5: in Spain, seventy three percent in Sweden. That's that's robust.
41:19
Speaker 5: That's more than the US. The US is down to
41:21
Speaker 5: sixty three percent. I think. On the other end you
41:25
Speaker 5: got Poland at thirty three percent, Turkey at sixteen percent,
41:28
Speaker 5: which we have another story out of Turkey to cover
41:30
Speaker 5: if we have time. So the study is hopeful in
41:36
Speaker 5: some areas, in other areas not so much. And of course,
41:42
Speaker 5: the thing that the Ibsode study again pointed out was
41:45
Speaker 5: the widespread transgender or the widespread agreement that transgendered people
41:51
Speaker 5: face discrimination everywhere, and there's divergence on policy related matters
41:58
Speaker 5: such as access to single sex facilities, participation in sports,
42:03
Speaker 5: highlighting ongoing societal debates. Unfortunately for trans people. I don't
42:07
Speaker 5: think that'll be settled anytime soon. And the support for
42:12
Speaker 5: trans people in sports has dropped to thirty two percent
42:15
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, drop from thirty two to twenty two percent.
42:19
Speaker 5: So the anti trans message, unfortunately is taking hold, which
42:24
Speaker 5: is said, all right, did you want to talk Turkey?
42:35
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm afraid.
42:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't hear turkey jokes.
42:38
Speaker 1: I am too.
42:42
Speaker 5: We can very briefly mention Niger as it is pronounced,
42:46
Speaker 5: not Niger, it's Niger has criminalized same sex intimacy for
42:51
Speaker 5: the first time in its history. I want to know
42:52
Speaker 5: how they're going to know about it? Are they putting
42:54
Speaker 5: cameras in people's bedrooms? How they going to know who's
42:57
Speaker 5: having same sex intimacy? I mean people aren't exactly yeah right,
43:04
Speaker 5: well not even that. There's well, like a neon sign
43:06
Speaker 5: above your head that said I just took it up
43:07
Speaker 5: the ass, you know, I mean, there's you know what
43:10
Speaker 5: I mean, It's like, how are they going to know
43:12
Speaker 5: I just blues, I just gave that guy a blowjob?
43:14
Speaker 5: I mean, how are they going to know this?
43:16
Speaker 1: But a tongue straight?
43:20
Speaker 5: Yeah?
43:23
Speaker 1: Eh, I'm legally a full person. Thank you.
43:26
Speaker 5: Well, just don't swallow.
43:27
Speaker 1: Uh.
43:27
Speaker 5: So in Niger they criminalized same sex intimacy for the
43:30
Speaker 5: first time in its history. Uh. In all fairness, they're
43:34
Speaker 5: under military rule. Uh. You know, so I think it's
43:38
Speaker 5: probably just back to don't ask, don't tell sort of thing,
43:40
Speaker 5: is where I think we are. But in the West
43:43
Speaker 5: African nation of Niger. Uh, they've enacted a law criminalizing
43:47
Speaker 5: consensual same sex intimacy for the first time in its history.
43:51
Speaker 5: It's odd how they're moving backwards or is it? I
43:55
Speaker 5: wonder where their military is getting support from. Could it
43:58
Speaker 5: be the United States?
44:00
Speaker 6: Hmm?
44:01
Speaker 1: I mean it's not unlikely. I mean there is a
44:03
Speaker 1: huge ultra conservative contingent internationally.
44:08
Speaker 5: Yeah. But you know, the law that criminalizes this is
44:11
Speaker 5: in the penal code and that makes me laugh. Sorry,
44:19
Speaker 5: let's put in the penal code that you can't have
44:22
Speaker 5: same sex intimacy.
44:24
Speaker 1: Okay, sub section of the penal code.
44:29
Speaker 5: Let's say that it's men. It ain't women making these laws.
44:32
Speaker 5: It's and that's the truth.
44:34
Speaker 1: Not often, no, I mean you do see complicity bystanders
44:39
Speaker 1: and enablers in different contexts.
44:42
Speaker 5: What's her name? In Italy what's her name, the one
44:44
Speaker 5: that's fighting with Trump right now? What's her name? Is
44:46
Speaker 5: a Maloney? Yeah, yeah, she's anti guay.
44:52
Speaker 1: So there are contexts like that.
44:53
Speaker 5: I mean, I think her I think her gay bestie
44:56
Speaker 5: just pissed her off, is what I think happened. He
44:57
Speaker 5: probably said you look horrible in that outfit, and you
45:00
Speaker 5: know that was it. She was suddenly anti.
45:01
Speaker 1: Gay, just supposed to see like fabulous to move.
45:04
Speaker 5: On, right exactly. So in Malaysia, the government has replaced
45:08
Speaker 5: the term LGBTQ with deviant culture. Here's something beautiful and
45:14
Speaker 5: you know, Malaysian officials said the government will stop using
45:17
Speaker 5: the term LGBTQ and instead replace it with buddaya song
45:22
Speaker 5: sang which sounds like a drag queen ladies and gentlemen
45:26
Speaker 5: give it up for Budaya song sang yay. Finally it
45:31
Speaker 5: has happened to me, uh and I'm saying yes exactly,
45:37
Speaker 5: which means deviant culture. I want you to know that,
45:40
Speaker 5: just like in America, where we sort of adopted the
45:43
Speaker 5: pink triangle and took it back for a while, which
45:45
Speaker 5: I disagreed with because it's given to us by Hitler.
45:48
Speaker 5: But but we did take it back in Malaysia, the
45:53
Speaker 5: gay community is proudly wearing the label boudaya song sang
45:57
Speaker 5: I have I have seen posts from men Malaysian gays
46:01
Speaker 5: who are saying, oh, you bet your ass, we are
46:03
Speaker 5: a bada song, saying all day, all night. And so
46:07
Speaker 5: they're trying to diffuse the impact of this by actually
46:13
Speaker 5: reclaiming the term. I I don't know that I'm on
46:20
Speaker 5: board with that. I'm not Malaysian, but at least they're
46:23
Speaker 5: trying it. You know, they're they're like, look, you want
46:25
Speaker 5: to call us that, then we'll own it, bitches. But
46:29
Speaker 5: you know, it just shows that. During a parliament session
46:32
Speaker 5: in February, the Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister's Office
46:34
Speaker 5: of Religious Affairs, Surprise said that discontinuing the use of
46:39
Speaker 5: the term LGBTQ will influence online algorithms and thus prevent
46:44
Speaker 5: the normalization of LGBTQ culture. He couldn't be more wrong.
46:48
Speaker 5: It will actually do the converse. But you know, he says,
46:53
Speaker 5: the more we utter write or state the term LGBTQ,
46:56
Speaker 5: the more pop out content related to it will appear. Instead,
47:00
Speaker 5: we wanted to be more deviant and deviant culture. I
47:03
Speaker 5: don't know if he's ever gone online, but deviant culture
47:07
Speaker 5: makes up for about eighty percent of what happens on
47:10
Speaker 5: the internet, so I you know, maybe he's never used
47:13
Speaker 5: the internet, never been to porn hub or whatever. But
47:17
Speaker 5: let's be real, you know, do you know, off topic
47:22
Speaker 5: but kind of not. One of the number one searches
47:26
Speaker 5: on porn hub is transgendered people having sex. It's one
47:29
Speaker 5: of the top searches. So for people being so anti transgendered,
47:34
Speaker 5: it's amazing how curious they are about their sex.
47:38
Speaker 1: It's tier point you've made several times which I was
47:43
Speaker 1: I've had alluded to but not directly stated, which is
47:46
Speaker 1: around the peak hinge time during Republican conventions.
47:50
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, when when when grinder crashes. By the way,
47:55
Speaker 5: this is not surprising from Malaysia. What is the predominant
47:58
Speaker 5: religion in Malaysia is they're Muslim. Yes, so this is
48:04
Speaker 5: not you know, as I said on my show Wednesday,
48:08
Speaker 5: someone said, oh, look, this Palestinian is saying that if
48:12
Speaker 5: when Palestine is a real country and you knows its
48:14
Speaker 5: own state, they will do they will cleanse it of
48:17
Speaker 5: the scourge of homosexuality. So that's why you should side
48:20
Speaker 5: with Israel, and I said, hun, we have Christian lawmakers
48:23
Speaker 5: in the United States saying the exact same thing. So
48:27
Speaker 5: that's not going to turn me against the Palestinians. You know,
48:30
Speaker 5: it's like, sorry, but the guy in Tennessee who tweet,
48:33
Speaker 5: who put out on x that homosexuality has no place
48:37
Speaker 5: in American culture. You know, he ain't Muslim, and he
48:40
Speaker 5: ain't Palestinian. You know, he's from Kentucky, which is just
48:43
Speaker 5: as bad or Tennessee or whatever bump fuck red state
48:46
Speaker 5: he's from. But so you know, it's and I think
48:50
Speaker 5: what we see here a trend, if you will, because
48:54
Speaker 5: you like facts and trends. Any country run by a
49:00
Speaker 5: theocracy is anti gay. Countries that are run by democracies
49:08
Speaker 5: or even a monarch, so long as they are not
49:11
Speaker 5: a Muslim country, usually are not as anti gay. So
49:16
Speaker 5: you know, when you have a country that is a theocracy,
49:19
Speaker 5: it's anti gay. When you have a country that is
49:22
Speaker 5: not a theocracy or a military rule, it is not
49:25
Speaker 5: anti gay, or at least is better for the gays.
49:29
Speaker 5: So note to gays don't live in theocracies or in
49:33
Speaker 5: places where there's military rule, which is why there's the
49:37
Speaker 5: rainbow railroad.
49:40
Speaker 1: The theocracies we have on offer are grounded in the
49:45
Speaker 1: same texts, essentially the Abrahamic.
49:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, most of them are Muslim theocracies. Yes, absolutely, But
49:54
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna vilify is law. I'm not going to
49:56
Speaker 5: vilify as law. Christianity is just as anti gay, you know,
50:00
Speaker 5: at least in practice. The Bible isn't because homosex The
50:04
Speaker 5: word homosexual wasn't you know. I love these people who
50:06
Speaker 5: read the Bible and they read the word homosexual and
50:09
Speaker 5: I'm like, you realize that word wasn't even around to
50:11
Speaker 5: the eighteen hundreds. It's like it couldn't be in your
50:14
Speaker 5: Bible because it you know, in the times of Christ,
50:18
Speaker 5: there was no such word, you know. So it's amazing
50:22
Speaker 5: to me that they use that. But I don't want
50:25
Speaker 5: to vilify.
50:25
Speaker 1: It as it depends in an individual believer too.
50:28
Speaker 5: Oh, there are many gay Muslims. There are plenty of games.
50:32
Speaker 5: You know. We'll finish up with Scott when we return,
50:35
Speaker 5: a childless, thirty six year old who is doing everything
50:37
Speaker 5: you can to ruin ruin the population of the world
50:41
Speaker 5: by not appropriating just I'm gonna blame you. They want
50:45
Speaker 5: to blame me, I'm going to blame you.
50:46
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, No, it's show side.
51:07
Speaker 5: You should at least donate to a sperm bank. I
51:09
Speaker 5: mean you you know, we need you, We need people
51:11
Speaker 5: like you. You know, we need your DNA to continue it. Yeah,
51:15
Speaker 5: you go donate to a sperm bank. I think you
51:19
Speaker 5: get paid for that. You make some money, you know.
51:22
Speaker 5: I read a story about some guy who had three
51:24
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty seven children or something like that. Although
51:30
Speaker 5: it's in it's in People magazine. There was a couple
51:36
Speaker 5: they did in Vitro. They had the baby, and this
51:39
Speaker 5: is a lily white couple and their baby was Asian
51:44
Speaker 5: or even black. It looks it looks very and so
51:47
Speaker 5: obviously there was a mix up at the clinic. But
51:51
Speaker 5: they did find the biological parents. They found the donors, uh,
51:56
Speaker 5: and they made a deal with them, and they're going
51:58
Speaker 5: to keep the baby. They love the baby. They they
52:00
Speaker 5: want to treat it as their own. So even though
52:03
Speaker 5: it's not their egg and sperm, which they thought it was, uh,
52:06
Speaker 5: they're still going to keep the baby. But there was
52:08
Speaker 5: a mix up.
52:09
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, yeah, I mean there's me, there's
52:12
Speaker 1: a lot of people who you know, are there's two distinctions,
52:16
Speaker 1: one they just want a child and others they want
52:19
Speaker 1: their child, and then within those categories, it's also sort
52:24
Speaker 1: of an extended idea of just people who would make
52:27
Speaker 1: great parents and are trying to do so. And I
52:30
Speaker 1: think these type of systems helpless people to do so.
52:32
Speaker 5: I used to not understand that, but now I do.
52:34
Speaker 5: I used to not understand. Why would you go through
52:37
Speaker 5: all the horrors of in vitro. It's not easy on
52:39
Speaker 5: the woman. It's easy on the guy, but it's not
52:41
Speaker 5: easy on the woman. And you know, why would she
52:45
Speaker 5: do that? Why not just adopt? You know, because there's
52:49
Speaker 5: so many children that it's like dogs, you know what
52:52
Speaker 5: I mean. They don't need to go to a breeder.
52:53
Speaker 5: There's so many ye little dogs that need adoption. But
52:57
Speaker 5: now as I'm older, you know, things do come with age.
53:01
Speaker 5: Now as I'm older, I can really understand the woman
53:05
Speaker 5: wanting it to be hers, you know, her egg, her
53:10
Speaker 5: husband's sperm. I get it. I understand it now. There's
53:14
Speaker 5: there's there's a tie to DNA, and I don't want
53:17
Speaker 5: to say that it's kind of mystical, but it is.
53:20
Speaker 5: Uh and I and I'm not saying they're more connected
53:23
Speaker 5: to those children. But I really do understand now why
53:27
Speaker 5: a woman would want it to be hers quote unquote,
53:30
Speaker 5: not that if they adopted, they wouldn't treat the child
53:32
Speaker 5: as theirs and and and that it wouldn't be theirs.
53:35
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. I am saying though, there is
53:37
Speaker 5: something about knowing it's your DNA that you know I
53:42
Speaker 5: can I used to not understand it, but now I do,
53:45
Speaker 5: and now I get it.
53:46
Speaker 1: And they're mostly the moms anyway. I mean, they're half
53:48
Speaker 1: dad on one set, but then the mitochondril danny as
53:51
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of others.
53:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I get it. I mean I get it.
53:55
Speaker 5: I I just found that story and people funny. And
53:57
Speaker 5: then you see the couple and there's this lily white
53:59
Speaker 5: cup and they're holding those babies, a little dark baby.
54:02
Speaker 6: Uh.
54:02
Speaker 5: You know back in the day that would be a divorce.
54:04
Speaker 5: It's like, honey, that ain't my child. The milkman was that, Like.
54:10
Speaker 1: It's my prayer point that it's a very it's a
54:13
Speaker 1: very sensitive individual question. I think, what are these systems do,
54:18
Speaker 1: especially even for lgbt A couples of this is a
54:21
Speaker 1: big option, and so it becomes a broadening of the landscape,
54:28
Speaker 1: and so you have a more expansive sort of vision
54:30
Speaker 1: of what human beings can do and how they can
54:31
Speaker 1: do it.
54:32
Speaker 5: Well, back to Mikey or Mitch or whatever his name
54:34
Speaker 5: was there in the Ukraine about the whole you know,
54:36
Speaker 5: we need to have more babies. Did he ever stop
54:40
Speaker 5: to think that some of the babies are going to
54:42
Speaker 5: be gay? You know, I mean he never, They never
54:45
Speaker 5: really do the follow through on that thought. The population
54:48
Speaker 5: is declining, people must have more children. It's all the
54:51
Speaker 5: gay's fault. What if the babies are gay? Do they
54:55
Speaker 5: not count as a child. At that point, it's like,
54:58
Speaker 5: oh no, now you've gotta make another ta coming from right.
55:03
Speaker 5: If straight people want to get rid of gay, stop
55:06
Speaker 5: having babies.
55:09
Speaker 1: And a big thing is the.
55:12
Speaker 5: Wait people are stopping to have babies. Maybe we're maybe
55:16
Speaker 5: we are the reason. Maybe maybe they don't want to
55:17
Speaker 5: make any more gay people. Maybe we aren't fault after all.
55:23
Speaker 5: I don't know, And there's no My mother raised My
55:29
Speaker 5: mother raised two children. My sister is painfully heterosexual and
55:33
Speaker 5: I am overtly gay, so you know we have the
55:37
Speaker 5: same upbringing. There are twins where one although a lot
55:41
Speaker 5: of twins that are gay. They tend to both be gay.
55:43
Speaker 5: But there are twins where one is straight and one
55:45
Speaker 5: is gay, and they're twins and they were raised the
55:47
Speaker 5: exact same way. And if the notion that gay people
55:51
Speaker 5: influence people to be gay, which is a big talking
55:53
Speaker 5: point on we can't have gay teachers or we can't,
55:56
Speaker 5: then I'd be straight because all of my teachers, all
55:59
Speaker 5: of the meat. I am a child of the sixties
56:01
Speaker 5: and seventies. We didn't have gay people on well we
56:03
Speaker 5: had Rip Taylor, you know, but we had Charles Nelson,
56:07
Speaker 5: Riley Paul Land, but they couldn't be gay. You know.
56:11
Speaker 5: I just did a I just spoke at the Grammy
56:13
Speaker 5: DEI and we talked about gays in the music industry.
56:16
Speaker 5: I said, there's always been gays in music, they just
56:18
Speaker 5: couldn't be gay. I mean, George Michael was gay, he
56:21
Speaker 5: just couldn't be out about it. Freddie Mercury gay in
56:24
Speaker 5: a band called Queen, but still couldn't be out about it.
56:29
Speaker 5: Liberaci gay. I mean, I could just go down the
56:31
Speaker 5: line of all the people in music. David Bowie bisexual,
56:35
Speaker 5: you know, just on and on and on that were
56:38
Speaker 5: gay in music. Katie Lange was out finally, but at
56:41
Speaker 5: first they told her and then she said, I can't
56:43
Speaker 5: hide it. I look like a boy, and you know,
56:46
Speaker 5: but so we've always been here. It's just a matter
56:49
Speaker 5: of open and there weren't that many open people with
56:53
Speaker 5: me growing up, and yet I turned out gay. So
56:56
Speaker 5: the notion that television might influence you or teachers, that's ridiculous,
57:02
Speaker 5: because otherwise every gay of my generation would be straight.
57:06
Speaker 5: Although I think Bugs Bunny is what did it for me?
57:08
Speaker 5: That's that was the one. Well, he's always in drag
57:11
Speaker 5: and he's you know, such an interesting hair, do you
57:14
Speaker 5: for such an interesting monster? And he's always you know,
57:18
Speaker 5: doing opera and everything else, so you know, Bugs Bunny's day.
57:22
Speaker 5: So I just kind of thought, maybe why I am
57:28
Speaker 5: because I love Bugs Bunny and the Jetsons. This is
57:32
Speaker 5: a very gay show. In fact, a lot of the
57:35
Speaker 5: cartoons of my era were very gay. Hr puffin stuff, Hello, news,
57:40
Speaker 5: the review, news, the review, Henrietta hippo. Oh my god,
57:43
Speaker 5: she was fabulous. She's I wanted to be Henrietta Darling
57:47
Speaker 5: Doug with her handkerchief. You don't even know who that is.
57:49
Speaker 5: You don't even know what the news, the review is?
57:54
Speaker 5: You have no idea who Doug and Emmy Joe are.
57:58
Speaker 5: They're still alive. They live here in Las Vegas. It's
58:05
Speaker 5: the News zo Review. Come and write at you, it's
58:09
Speaker 5: the News Review.
58:11
Speaker 1: I know every song New Zoo Review, Henrietta Hippo seven
58:18
Speaker 1: y Charlie l and Freddy the Frog.
58:20
Speaker 5: Oh Freddy the Frog's Oh Freddy.
58:23
Speaker 1: Six hundred songs.
58:24
Speaker 5: This year Freddy the Frog was the gayest frog to
58:26
Speaker 5: ever live. Just the gayest frog. All right, I am Corel,
58:32
Speaker 5: the gayest frog. Be who you want to be? Songing
58:35
Speaker 5: to hurt anybody.
58:36
Speaker 1: Uh.
58:36
Speaker 5: We'll be back next week with This Day Week with Scott.
58:39
Speaker 5: Scott has always Thank you from the Ukraine for all
58:41
Speaker 5: those factors, figures and go breed. For the love of God,
58:46
Speaker 5: make that mare happy. I have a child in his honor.
58:52
Speaker 5: I hope it.
58:54
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