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233: Sister Wives Rewind - Meri Has an Epiphany: A Christmas Surprise (S6 E5) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: In Yeah, I also get right into this fantastic episode.
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  Speaker 1: Well it wasn't that fantastic, but there were a couple
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  Speaker 1: of parts, yeah, that I thought were quite fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: There were some little nuggets in there that were pretty
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  Speaker 2: pretty juicy. Yes, we start off the episode with everybody
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  Speaker 2: but Mary moving into their houses. Yeah, and you have
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  Speaker 2: Leon throwing a little teenage tantrum.
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  Speaker 1: Working in the salt mine sinny yep, driving their car
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  Speaker 1: into the middle of the cul de Sac in the dark,
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  Speaker 1: in the dark, just to stare at their house and cry.
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  Speaker 1: And all of the other kids are running around because
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  Speaker 1: they've all moved into their big mansions in the cold,
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  Speaker 1: but there is Leon just crying in the mini van
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  Speaker 1: hood yep.
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  Speaker 2: And Mary tries to talk to Leon, and Mary's like,
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong, as if she doesn't know what the heck
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  Speaker 2: is wrong Leon, And Leon's like, I'm pissed off, really
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  Speaker 2: mad about it. I felt for Leon, And Leon's like
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  Speaker 2: it's unfair.
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  Speaker 1: It is every single other child in this family is
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  Speaker 1: in their home, but here we are like a couple
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  Speaker 1: of vagabonds stuck out in the cold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not fair. Well, and Mary can't even
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  Speaker 2: tell Leon what's wrong, Like Mary can't even get into
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  Speaker 2: the financials, can't talk about what's delaying anything. Mary's just
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: make an even more grief.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really weird to me because Mary's explaining
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  Speaker 1: this to us on camera, like saying that Leon is
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  Speaker 1: asking like why how come us? Of course, how come
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  Speaker 1: we're a glass? And Mary doesn't have answers to give
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  Speaker 1: to Leon. But then She's like, and even the financial stuff,
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  Speaker 1: there's a chance that our loan will not go through,
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  Speaker 1: Our loan will not be funded. And I really can't
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  Speaker 1: explain why that is to leon And I'm just saying, how.
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  Speaker 2: Could that be.
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  Speaker 1: You're literally a couple of days away from getting into
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  Speaker 1: the home and you're worried that your loan's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be funded.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense. If Robin can get a proof
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  Speaker 2: with her a long honey, why can't you get a
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  Speaker 2: broke Mary?
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  Speaker 1: She's the only wife who is legally attached to Cody,
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  Speaker 1: And this could mean that Cody's credit is really to rable.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Cody's work history, maybe his bankruptcy history, maybe
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  Speaker 1: is a problem. But I don't know. All I know
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  Speaker 1: is Mary's like, it's a mystery to me why we
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  Speaker 1: grifters can't get into these homes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's just her covering up for the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she was scrap booking and delaying Danny the builder from
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  Speaker 1: building her house, not submitting paperwork, submitting paperwork, making a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of last minute changes to the blinds and to.
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  Speaker 2: Her floors, and her wet bar. Right, maybe that's just
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  Speaker 2: a cover up because Mary knows she messed up. She's
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  Speaker 2: the one that broke the promise to Leon, and she
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  Speaker 2: wants to blame everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Right but herself. But meanwhile, your child is out here
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  Speaker 1: crying in a mini van and it's because of you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because of you. It's ridiculous. And then this
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  Speaker 2: is where Christine on the couch makes some weird out
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  Speaker 2: of pocket comment about the fact that Mary feels left out,
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  Speaker 2: probably feel left out from the houses because everybody else
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  Speaker 2: is moving in, just like when everybody else was popping
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  Speaker 2: out all them babies and Mary's womb was drying up
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  Speaker 2: before there, Like it was such a like making.
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  Speaker 1: Some strange connection between Mary's infertility and Mary's inability to
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  Speaker 1: get into this house by Christmas, which just further proves
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  Speaker 1: our point that some of these women will take any
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  Speaker 1: opportunity whatsoever to make Mary seem like less than a woman, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or less than like worthy of her fair share in
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  Speaker 1: this family because of her inability to have more children.
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  Speaker 1: It was just like it didn't need to be said. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're thinking that that's okay, but like you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to share that, particularly on the couch on
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  Speaker 1: camera for the entire nation, I know, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what is this? It is like I sense a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of passive aggression, because like I'm like, are you
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  Speaker 1: doing this because Mary's a bst hd y'all like off
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  Speaker 1: camera and you're just doing this just to stamber a
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  Speaker 1: little bit on the couch, or like, are you just
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  Speaker 1: thinking that it means well when it really doesn't when
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  Speaker 1: we're just talking about the fact that Mary can't have
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  Speaker 1: another kid. Maybe it's to propel the stupid storyline between
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  Speaker 1: Mary and Cody and Cody begging her to have a
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  Speaker 1: kid and begging to use Robin as a surrogate.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why they're making the car I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like your idea that maybe it's a
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  Speaker 1: passive aggressive dig And when we get further into this
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  Speaker 1: episode and we have the conversation between Cody and Mary,
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  Speaker 1: wherein Mary's making the connection between Leon's behavior being very
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  Speaker 1: similar to her behavior and how she acted, especially in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of their marriage, like, maybe there's a reason
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  Speaker 1: these people hate you. Yeah, maybe maybe there's a reason
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  Speaker 1: these people are taking passive aggressive swipes at you, and
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  Speaker 1: it's because you dealt with them in an aggressive aggressive way, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for many years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's just talk about that, because Cody like straight
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  Speaker 2: up says that he cringes at Leon and Mary's relationship.
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  Speaker 2: He says that Leon and Mary are very much the
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  Speaker 2: same person. He tells Mary that's straight up, and Mary
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  Speaker 2: like at first she's like, oh, shut up, but then
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  Speaker 2: has a moment of self reflection and says, you know, yeah, like,
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  Speaker 2: I see a lot of myself in them, And I
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  Speaker 2: can understand now how that would have been a lot
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  Speaker 2: for you, because I was acting a lot like Leon
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  Speaker 2: back in the day and now I'm realizing, at my
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  Speaker 2: big age of forty two or whatever how old she
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  Speaker 2: is at this point, she realizes that wasn't okay and
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  Speaker 2: that was a lot, And I don't know, Cody seems
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  Speaker 2: so over it. At this point.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I literally had an epiphany sitting on my reclinerhood.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my god, that makes perfect sense.
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  Speaker 1: Your child is growing up to be a mini you,
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  Speaker 1: behaving in much the same way that you behaved when
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  Speaker 1: you were just twelve years older than they are currently.
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  Speaker 1: So you're nineteen years old when you married Cody, and
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  Speaker 1: so Leon is exhibiting the same behavior that you exhibited
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  Speaker 1: to Cody, and you've been asking yourself for many years,
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  Speaker 1: like why why don't they like me? Or why is
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  Speaker 1: it so hard? Or why do I feel so safe?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Dad, it's because and she's maybe coming into the consciousness
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  Speaker 1: of the fact that she mistreated people, just like maybe
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  Speaker 1: Leon is in the process of doing the same toward
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  Speaker 1: her and toward other family members as well, which we
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  Speaker 1: get to at Saint Lucia.
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  Speaker 2: Day or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was meaningful, like this was a meaningful observation,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm watching Mary try to share this with Cody
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  Speaker 1: and actually say like, actually, I get it. I realize
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  Speaker 1: how you must have felt dealing with me because I'm
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  Speaker 1: currently dealing with Leon. And instead of Cody like taking
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  Speaker 1: a beat or taking a breath and saying something like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, breakthrough. Yeah, instead of that, he's like,
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  Speaker 1: you talk too much. Like you do is talk and
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  Speaker 1: talk and talk. Let me deal with Leon. I'll take
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  Speaker 1: care of it. You just stay right here. And Mary's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I'm just trying to say that I sympathize
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  Speaker 1: with what you've been through because I've been a bitch.
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  Speaker 1: But he storms off to have a conversation with Leon
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  Speaker 1: and that too, was very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: That was ridiculous, that whole conversation with Cody. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like the I like the moment of self
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  Speaker 2: reflection from Mary, like it should have probably happened a
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  Speaker 2: little bit sooner than forty something, But I'm glad that
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  Speaker 2: she's finally realizing it now that she's raising Leon and
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  Speaker 2: sees herself in Leon. That's like a really pivotal moment.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of parents probably see that,
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  Speaker 2: like especially as your kids come of age, like you
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  Speaker 2: realize like, oh dang, yeah, like that was me when
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  Speaker 2: I was younger, and you're so far removed from it
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  Speaker 2: that sometimes it's hard to like have that moment of reflection.
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  Speaker 2: So it was good that Mary had that. Cody was
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  Speaker 2: not receptive to it at all, and it just speaks
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  Speaker 2: to his emotional immaturity and also Mary's emotional immaturity, because
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  Speaker 2: she's also making Leon's feelings kind of all about her
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  Speaker 2: in even in these moments she's just like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what to do with Leon. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: they're so upset, And I'm like, you mean, why do
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  Speaker 2: you how do you not know?
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  Speaker 1: You gave Leon an expectation of being with the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the family celebrating at the same time, and with
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the family for Christmas, and once again,
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  Speaker 1: Leon is feeling like they're othered, and Mary, you're being
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  Speaker 1: othered and Leon is sitting back watching you get last
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: place again and again you're the wife who doesn't get
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: to have additional children. And remember when Robin announced her
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: pregnancy with Saul, Leon went up to the bathroom and
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  Speaker 1: actually cried because Leon knew how this was going to
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  Speaker 1: impact their mother. And so there's a lot going on here.
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  Speaker 1: It's like not just about you, Mary, Like there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of actual emotional triage that we need to be
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  Speaker 1: doing for Leon yet, and the best we can do
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  Speaker 1: is send Cody's ass in there to tell them to
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  Speaker 1: essentially keep sweet. Let's get to that conversation that made.
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  Speaker 2: Me so mad, because Leon has every right to be
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  Speaker 2: upset and to be angry, and they're a teenager, so
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  Speaker 2: they don't know how to emotionally regulate, They don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to deal with anything. Their frontal lobebas not even
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  Speaker 2: fully developed, and.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's offering them therapy or any.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, and so like, Leon is acting out because they're mad.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know how to deal with all of the
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  Speaker 2: emotions they're feeling. And they're dealing with puberty in high
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  Speaker 2: school and graduating and their family being dysfunctional af and
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  Speaker 2: having to move around multiple times, like not only just
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  Speaker 2: to Vegas, but in those rental homes and then out
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  Speaker 2: of the rental homes, and then dealing with Mary breaking
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  Speaker 2: their promise to them. Like, there's so much that Leon's
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  Speaker 2: dealing with, and so of course they're acting out. Of
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  Speaker 2: Course they're mad. Of course they're upset. And Cody comes
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  Speaker 2: over there and he tries a little bit to have
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  Speaker 2: a kind of mature conversation by saying, maybe Leon, don't
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  Speaker 2: take it out on the rest of the family, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I get that you're upset. I understand why you're upset,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time, maybe when you're upset, just
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  Speaker 2: go and separate yourself for a few minutes from the
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  Speaker 2: family and then come back and be sweet and be
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  Speaker 2: the nice, kind, optimistic self that you actually are. Don't
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  Speaker 2: be sad, because remember you're with your family.
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  Speaker 1: He's literally telling them to have a disposition of cheer
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  Speaker 1: and like how important it is and the kind of
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  Speaker 1: impact it makes on the rest of the family if
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  Speaker 1: you just keep sweet and be nice. And interestingly, Leon
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  Speaker 1: is sitting there crying. I think Leon really looks up
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason to Cody and yeah, and Leon's taking
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  Speaker 1: it very seriously. But I'm like this, in this moment,
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  Speaker 1: this is not what Leon needs. No, they need somebody
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: to just sit there and allow them to vent and
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  Speaker 1: off gas what they're going through in this moment, as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to like putting another expectation on them of how
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: they've got to behave and act and conduct themselves so
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: that everybody else is comfortable around them.
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  Speaker 2: It is so unfair, it's so lame, and they're just
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  Speaker 2: taking like both Cody and Mary and probably the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the family is taking Leon's out bursts personally like
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  Speaker 2: it affects them so much that they want to tell
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  Speaker 2: Leon stop it. Just be sweet, be nice, don't be sad.
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  Speaker 2: It's like no, Like they're a teenager. They're dealing with
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  Speaker 2: a lot. They need their parent to just empathize with
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  Speaker 2: them and hug them maybe and tell them it's gonna
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: be okay. We're gonna figure it out. Like do you
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: want to talk about it, We're here to listen. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's just Cody giving a lecture. And it's stupid, and like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why he was insisting on taking care
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: of the relationship like or taking care of Leon's emotions here.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he wanted to take that from Mary.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was just for the cameras to make it
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  Speaker 2: seem like, oh, he's a good duh.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he cares I'm sting me. Let me step in
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  Speaker 1: and take care of this problem.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it was. But also, like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think Mary was being super like empathetic to Leon's feelings either,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: because Leon and Mary are kind of a weird dynamic.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: They seem a little ameshed together, right.
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  Speaker 1: And previous to this, Mary is giving Leon all of
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  Speaker 1: this hope and again this expectation that they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to get into this home, and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Mary's got no answers. Yeah, I really
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to explain the finances, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know how to explain the timeline. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: all of this hope and surety that I gave you
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  Speaker 1: is just gone, and I've gotten nothing for you. As
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  Speaker 1: of course, Leon is sitting there floundering. Now, I will
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  Speaker 1: just point out that this is the beginning of the
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Leon arc, in which I begin to truly dislike Leon
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  Speaker 1: because of the way they conduct themselves and indeed because
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: of the way they treat Mary, especially over the catfish
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  Speaker 1: thing and making fun of Mary's eyebrows, and there's a
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: lot of cruel things that Leon actually did. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're just at the beginning of that season. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: at this point right now, separating myself from what I
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  Speaker 1: know about that, I have a lot of compassion for
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  Speaker 1: this child and I feel really bad for them, But
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  Speaker 1: we'll go and get worse.
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  Speaker 2: And like, can't you see why they go down this
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: line like villain arc and like why they start acting
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: out even more and start becoming mean because they have
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: these parents that quite frankly suck. Like Mary's not great,
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  Speaker 2: She's not emotionally regulated.
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  Speaker 1: And Mary's one hundred person. Mary has a predisposition in
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  Speaker 1: her emotionality and psychology exactly to be mean and dismissive
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  Speaker 1: in many other traits exactly. And I wondered to you
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  Speaker 1: on the WhatsApp today, I'm like, yeah, is there some
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  Speaker 1: sort of a personality disorder that was inherited by Leon?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but like there's also that component as well.
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  Speaker 2: Correct for sure. Yeah, and it's because Mary has not
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: gone to therapy or dealt with her issues. Now she's
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: doing worthy of, but she hasn't worthied up her own self.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Like she's got issues. She needs therapy. She needs to
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: talk about her feelings instead of just being like, wow's up,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: it's unsafe, right, No, be vulnerable and figure out the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: root of your issues. Where does that meanness come from?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Does it come from being belittled constantly? From Cody being
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: married to Code ever twenty years? Maybe should deal with
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that instead of sympathizing for him constantly, even done this
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: day in season nineteen. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Like Mary's got problems, so yeah, and it doesn't excuse
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: her behavior. Doesn't excuse her aggression or her meanness or
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: her bad parenting to Leon. And it doesn't excuse Leon's
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: behavior either. Leon should get therapy too. They're probably in
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: therapy now, but like you know, they should work on
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: their stuff. But I can see why Leon goes down
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the paths that they go to.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Well, as Prince said, children only imitate their atmosphere. I'm
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: just saying, fact check out the atmosphere.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I can see that one percent. And then
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: at some point we have some introduction to a stupid
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: caramel competition via.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Cody, who cares. It's funny because as I was watching this,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, did they do this last season? Because
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I could have swore I already saw this entire thing.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But that's because for Christmas on Patreon, we actually watched
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the Christmas the Special Christmas episode and we saw this already. Oh,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I forgot it and I was bored then as well,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm bored here now too.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It's very boring. Yeah, Cody wants the wives to make
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: caramel just like his mommy dad, because it was a
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: trickition for every year for forty years for Christmas. She
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: made her famous caramels with walnuts in them for some reason,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and so he was all the wives to make it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: He wants to pit him against each other and make
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a competition who can make Mommy's caramels the best, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: whoever's the winner is worthy of being Cody's wife.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: That will guarantee that I will shit in your caramels.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I will shit right in your caramels, Tody.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Straight diarrhea, Yeah, diarrhea.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: There's caramels very good.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: For real though, why And he makes a comment like,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I know people watch this might think I'm a misogynistic pig,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: but actually I have an ulterior motive here. It's because
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I want more caramels.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: No, that part, the misogynistic pig part, that part, that's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: exactly why. Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And we have Christine taking this competition very seriously. Yes,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: like the aris that she is and also a cook.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: She's a cook, she's a home body.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: She likes to That would be for these kids and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: she loves doing that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be me too, Like I would totally
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: be like I'm gonna witness competition as you would. I would, yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: because I would want to make it perfect, and Christine does.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: She like makes three batches because she burns the first
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: two and then the third badge ends up being just right.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: We have Janelle enlisting her mom to make the caramels
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: for her so Janelle can go work on the taxes
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: or something right and not have to act.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: To the movies. Yeah, I'm gonna go to the movies
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Total Taurus. I love it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. And I mean she would have
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: an end because her mom is married to Cody's dad
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and a parent used to make the caramels with Cody's
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: mom during Christmases and stuff.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Right, and that is so much. Yeah, and we talk
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: about it from time to time, and I'm reminded about
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: how strange that is. And just to catch everybody up
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in case you didn't know, which I know all of
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you already know forensically. So, when Janelle was court and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Cody and they were contemplating marriage together, her mother Cheryl
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: heard about that nonsense with them kids, and came into
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: town to check and see what was going on. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: while there met Cody's father, Wynn, Yeah, the cattle rancher
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like that. Belt apparently fell in love with Wynn, who
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: was married to Janelle, a lady named Janelle Cody's mama,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Cody's mama, and fell in love and became Wynn's second
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: wife before Janelle even became Cody's second wife. Well, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: which is so crazy wild.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Because apparently Janelle said her mom was worried that Janelle
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: being interested in Cody would mean that she was getting
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: sucked into a polygamist cult. And then Janelle's mom ends
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: up getting into that polygamist.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Cause the magical polygamisting dog.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I guess it's a magical listen. If Wynn Brown was
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a big old cattle rancher, maybe he was hung you know.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I know she had a ranch and it was
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a working rant. But when we visited Win's ranch in
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: season one or whatever and they went to paint their
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: mom's house, I'm like, it's.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Kind of house that Cody All lived in.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And Cheryl lived in the better house, and Winn spent
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: all her time with Cheryl with a harbinger of things
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to come for everybody. But I just I didn't. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: didn't get the impression that Win was a man of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: means or well no, but you know, there's no account
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: for falling in love. Yeah, sure, lightning struck right in.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Cheryl's right for real though, I know. And so while
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: they're making, well, Cheryl's making the caramels for Janelle in
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the competition, then we have Mary and Robin, and Robin
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: is not happy about this competition at all. She's like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: it's Christmas, but it's actually January second, which.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about really, but we will get it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We'll get to it. But like Robin's like, I'm tired.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make these stobic.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Harms, nor would I be. I wouldn't want to. It's Christmas.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: We've got nineteen thousand children and adults coming off right, yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and probably participating in some way when we all know
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: she's going to be sitting back and enjoying the largess
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of the entire family. Christine's gonna be doing everything we
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: already know. But she's like, I'm tired, I don't want
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to do this. And so they come up with this
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: mad cap idea brilliant of like going out to Lola's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or something or something where they sell some caramels, yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and purchasing the caramels and then microwaving them and repackaging
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: them and pretending that they slaved away at those candies.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like Robin thinks it's the funniest thing ever.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Like she's like laughing so hard.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Like a little school threered.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And then she has some weird segment where she's like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I would be a terrible criminal because I don't know
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: how to lie.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Oh I know. I'm like, oh God, if you could
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: only see into the future and see yourself being a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: thief and a criminal and a terrible person, I dare say,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a demon, a dhoniac, somebody needing to be exercised of
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: multiple demons. Yeah, we exercised the first demon, and that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: demon brought seven fucking demons back with them into your body.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: That's how possessed you are with evilness, Robin. So keep
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: trackling away while you're getting your caramels and your weird
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: radiator shop or whatever. But I am on to you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: We're all this is second nature to you. Cheating and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: thieving and conniving.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: One hundred you are. And then Cody judges the caramels
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a low of a hold. Christine wins because she's the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: only one that actually put love and effort into the carmels. Yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and that's it. But she's not worthy of being Cody's
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: wife apparently, because we know.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I think he's already stopped banging. Yeah, but it's not
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: until they're all on the couch later discussing the caramel competition. Yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that Mary and Robin actually cop to the fact that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: they cheated and start laughing, and Janelle's laughing and Christine's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: kind of laughing, although I think Christine's a little bit
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but her because she really did try very hard. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: then Cody gets up and storms off. He's just joking though.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit of an homage to Christine
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: walking off for the wedding dress thing. Yeah, she's kind
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: of funny, and I mean it's kind of a funny
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: moment between all of them, like laughing and being jovial.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: But I would be Christine. I'd be like, really, I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: made three batches. Yeah, I slaved over all this, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: she probably cooked Christmas dinner two by herself.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Indeed, oh else is doing it. It's not Robin, No,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's not Mary.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It's not Janelle either, because she says she straight up
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: in this episode, I don't cook.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It's probably Bonnie.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Cheryl and Christine. That's it. So Christine's slaving away,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and she's doing this because she loves Cody for some
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: reason and wants to win this competition for some reason.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And so I would be about her too. Yeah if
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Mary and Robin just went and bought a bunch of caramels.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But whatever. And then we have Christmas Day, which is
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: actually not on Christmas days, on January second.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about that, because I'm forgetting what the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: reason was that they gave to the viewing audience that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: they were going to have Christmas on January second.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: What was it, Well, they said it was because Mary
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to be in her house by actual Christmas Day.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But Robin's kids right went to Montana.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Last episode, so maybe it was because they were gone
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: for like two weeks one hundred entirely because the kids
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: were gone for Christmas. And so Robin petitioned the priests
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of the family, the pastoral of the family, and said,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: can we please have Christmas when my children are back?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And they all agreed, and that is what they did.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And this just made me think and reflect back to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: how many times in the last two seasons. So eighteen
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: nineteen Robin was talking about how the wives rejected her,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: they never truly accepted her, the kids didn't accept her
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: or her kids, and I'm like, well, they're rearranging their
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: entire holiday, yeah, so that your kids can come back
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and enjoy the celebration, and then we get to like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the presence and stuff, and like everybody's super happy. Nobody's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: lording it over you that they had to wait for.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's not necessarily sussing out for me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: No, I don't see how anybody's been terrible to you.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe Christine's been a little passive aggressive, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you also have been passive aggressive, Robin calling them fat
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and yeah, stretch marks given them.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: That's aggressive aggressive, that's malicious, vindictive aggressive.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. But miss me with this. Christine was a
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: terrible sister and Jane was so awful to you, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: like you're best friends with Mary in these seasons too, Like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: so I just I can't but yeah, that was the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: reason why they moved to Christmas to January. Second, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just like peeved because like, this whole season and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the whole last half of last season was all about
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: how we have to get in before Christmas. Yes, we
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: have to make it before this deadline. We promised our
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: kids and you guys kind of get in before Christmas,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but it didn't even matter because you were postponing Christmas
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: anyway to January, right, Like they had sixty six gifts
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: for this entire family that they just kept at somebody's house, Yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and waited to open until January. That's wild to me.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean this is what they do. This
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is this is how they do it as well.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: And then was it on Christmas Day or before Christmas Day?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: We had Saint Lucia's Day.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I forget. Maybe it is on Christmas Day.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It's some tradition, some Scandinavian thing that Christine likes, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it's where all the eldest daughters loves.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Her holidays, her Joseph Weird Holidays, her Brigham Young Holidays
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: she loves.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just an excuse for her not have to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: not to have to cook breakfast. She makes the eldest
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: daughters cook breakfast to the whole family because it's Saint
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Lucie has Dad, yes, which I mean is kind of cute.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: And all of them make crapes or something. I guess
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: they do this every year. And this causes a little
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: bit of a spat between Leon and some of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: other Maddie, Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Maddie, because Leon doesn't listen to Maddie who tells them
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to put like water in the pan, the pan before
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the crapes. I don't know, I've never done anything like that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Leon doesn't do that. The crapes burned. Yeah, Maddie's like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: picking on them a little bit, trying to get a reaction.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I would be too.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Leon gives Maddie a reaction, Yeah, stops their cooking and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: stomps out of that house never to return again.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So dramatic, but honestly, like I was that kind of.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: A sibling grand drama.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I would have been like Maddie too, and it had
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: been like Leon, you're dumb. I literally told you over
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and over again to water in the fucking pan and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you didn't do that. So yeah, I would have been bothered.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But it's stupid. Like Leon has a little spat, It
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: just shows further that Leon's been struggling, similar to how
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a Hunter was struggling when they just moved to Last Vegas.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Like this is just showing a light into the teenagers
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and how they're not taking all of this very well
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: at all. Nobody really cares, Like nobody's.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Kind of like uncool. Yeah, Maddie, because Maddie is in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: her big home and Mattie is already established the new situation,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and Maddie is fully aware that Leon is upset they're
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: not in their home. Yeah, Maddie is taking advantage of
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: this moment to further sort of prod Leon.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: It's it's not nice, Yeah, it is not nice. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: then we have the actual Christmas Day, which is not
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: actually Christmas Day, and we open all the gifts and
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: everybody's opening it all at once, and then we have
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Cody opening his very special gift from Robin.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's a Social Security card with her new name Brown.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, amazing, I mean, and he.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Starts getting for clemped and tearing up. It is the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: most meaningful and special present that I have ever received
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: on any Christmas ever. And meanwhile, your other three wives,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: who also changed their last name so they could be
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: aligned with you, are sitting right there. But he's happy
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: because he wants all of his wives to share his name.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: He wants all of his kids to have his name.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: We're going to get there too with the adoption in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: later seasons. The one thing that I thought was interesting
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: was that the person who seemed really happy for Cody
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and Robin in the moment was Christine. Oh yeah, sitting
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: on the cop She's like, oh my god, yes, super
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: celebratory again, demonstrating that I think Christine really did try
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to be a good sister wife and was trying to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: be supportive of Robin. But Robin and Cody have this
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: special moment, and I'm snory.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It's so dumb.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It's so dermanic I don't care, and Cody being like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I was shocked and odd by this gift. I'm like,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it's a social Security card. Like whatever, give me.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: A gift card to Starbus. It's way better than your
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: social Security card.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think like in that Christmas special we
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: watched on Patreon, wasn't there like a Christmas where one
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: of the wives gives them a freaking laptop or whatever,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: like they spent all this money on this stuff or
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like guns.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Isn't that I wasn't mixed up, but like they went
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: all out for him, and he was like.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: This isn't what I wanted at all. Yeah, but a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: social Security card is shocked an audio?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, he's in love with her and that's what
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it is. That's his divine soulmate.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yea, that's what it is, and that's why it means
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: so much to him. And then we have Mary finally
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: getting a call, like on the night of Christmas, that's
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: not actually Christmas. She finally gets a call from Mona,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: which she had been waiting for all day, and Mona's like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: you're approved, and so then they get to move into
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: their house and at this point, Leon's working their shift
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: at some smoothie king or whatever. So Leon doesn't know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and Mary and Cody devise a plan to go to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: the smoothe King to surprise Leon with their key to
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the house. They had already called Leon's boss, and Leon's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: boss was super supportive and came in to replace Leon.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: S the way Leon could leave early and go on
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: unpack at their home, which I thought was really sweet.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really sweet too. I also thought
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it was awesome that the rest of the family, including Robin,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: came over brought the U haul truck and immediately that night,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: as soon as they got the keys, they not be
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: packing up that you haul. But I thought that was
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: great for Leon because Leon just wants to be with
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the rest of the kids. Yeah, Leon wants to be
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: one of the kids. Yeah, Leon wants their mother to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: be included with the other families and wives and so
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: it's a very special moment for all of them. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: so I thought it was nats they moved him into
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the new home in the mid mansion and they are
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: all together. But my question was, and I just we
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: hadn't talked about it, so I just had to ask
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you Sidebar, what what would have happened if Mary's alone
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: didn't come through. What would have happened if all three
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: other wives had their McMansions but Mary never got hers.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Because if you recall, they had been saying that we
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: want to all be together. And so if one wife
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: or two wives can't get in and two wives can, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we're not going to do it, we can't do it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But the three other wives had already closed on these homes,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: what would they have done if Mary hadn't.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good point, because everybody moved in
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: like they didn't even care.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: You're not getting them out of those homes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Wait, no, like we're moving in today and getting our
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: stuff in today. So Mary was still apparently in limbo.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: That's like a really good hypothetical because I feel like
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Mary would have just been stuck in her rental.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: She would have stayed in that rental, I guarantee.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: You, and then somebody else would have bought another home
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: in that cul descent.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And they would have compared their polygamous compound with that rando.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: They would have been happy to do that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that would have been hilarious.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they would have made Mary feel bad, Yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: for complaining about it, and Mary would have probably said, Okay, well,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: can we try and find a different situation. Do we
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: need to sell these homes and find a different piece
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of land? And they would have said no, and that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: would have probably precipitated Mary leaving the family for good.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, in an alternate universe, maybe this
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: is that would have been it that Mary would have left,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: so the catfish wouldn't have even happened. Yes, she would
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: have already married off with somebody and had her beautiful
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: lesbian butch dream with somebody in an alternate universe.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Dare to dream, I mean, dare to dream.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, if there's infinite universes and infinite possibilities.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: She's already with a woman somewhere on a motorcycle in Disneyland. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to talk about was on Christmas,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: after everybody was opening the presents, and I think they
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: had like a little mission statement moment, and so Christine
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, let's just all brainstorm what we want
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to put in this mission statement, and Janelle's like, this
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: is the sixth circle of a Dantean Hell. I hate
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it here, just like you, Christine, hate to show up
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: to the my sister wife closet meetings. I hate to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: be in the mission statement. Can we move on with it?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So after that moment, Cody stands up and he gives
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: this little pastoral priestly speech about what these homes actually
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: signify like and everything that it actually took for them
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to get to this moment. And I was just thinking
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: as I was watching, I'm like, you know, it's it
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: really is a lot because just two years previous to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the filming of this, even though we're on season six,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it's only been like a couple of years, two and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a half years.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: In Lehigh not living in poverty necessarily, but definitely low
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: income people, right of course. Yeah, And in just two
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: years time they are now moved into these huge asshomes. Whew,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: these big fucking homes. Yeah, in Las Vegas, living the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: lifestyles of the rich and famous. And so Cody's standing
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: up there saying like, I mean, praise God, Praise be
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to colaw to the God of colab for all of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: our blessings. Yeah, like, you know, you really have had
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: a fantastic come up.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Oh definitely, Wow, such a short period of time and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: maybe that's why they were so eager and so hard
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: pressed on these homes because they were like the best
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: homes that they ever lived in at this period in
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: time in their life. Like I never think like ever,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to because they were in a single wide,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: they were in a single wife before leehah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've never been in it since except for Cody
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and Robin because Mary's got her haunted B and B
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and Janelle is somewhere with her kids in North Carolina,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and maybe Christine and David Willie. But even their home
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is not as maybe maybe it's I mean it's.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Nice, yeah, but it's not like it's not better than No,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that's the best that they lived, oh for sure, I
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: mean but maybe well Christine had her nice home in
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: flag Stone, it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Was okay, is not as big, I mean, it wasn't
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, so already right, infinitely better. But I'm just saying, like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: did they ever achieve that level of like success again.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think they mean except for Robin and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Cody with their two point one million dollars stealing all
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: of their money, yeah, which are stealing absolutely insane allegedly
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: goodness gracious, I mean they really. Like when I was
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: looking at the cul de Sac and looking at all
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of their homes and after everybody kind of like moved
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: in and Leon and Mary finally got their house, I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: like looking at this, like this really would have been
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: like the best arrangement for everybody. You're all in one area,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you have a gated community, it's saved most of you
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: guys like Vegas and steep the wall. They're up in
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the backyard and the cup bound in deep.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So like it was like perfect for this, Yes.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And like you see like in some of the scenes,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: like in the background, you see the kids just like
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: walking out the front door and like going to somebody
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: else's house.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm like that in the evening on Christmas, they're like, Okay,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: we're gonna.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Go out ball. So yeah, and like that's such a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: great arrangement. And this would have been really awesome if
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: they just freaking stayed there. Yeah, Like moving to Flagstaff
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: later was just the death of the family, absolutely, and
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: we know that, but like it would just nail the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: coffin absolutely insane to me. I think like this there
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: was a hope and a dream to duplicate what they
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: did in Vegas.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: On Coyote Pass. I think, like, I think Christine bought
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: into that dream. I think Mary and Janelle did. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: wonder whether Cody ever did, Whether Cody and Robin ever
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: actually had a plan for the big home or wanting
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to locate themselves onto Coyote Pass, I'm not sure, but
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it's just yeah, they had the most perfect setup right
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: here in the Call to sac.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And as Cody's addressing his family, as corny as it is,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I mean I can feel like I feel him acknowledging
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that like this is so great, like this is everything
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: we ever wanted, and oh my god, we're manifesting our
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: dreams where they architects of our future. You can just
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: feel the hope in him, and also a little bit
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: like holy crap, like how do we maintain this?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, each home costs I don't know, four hundred and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars as of like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and he even makes a comment about that at
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the end. He's like, no, these mortgages are really difficult
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: for us to make, Like this, we're putting ourselves in
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: kind of like a financially tight spot, but it's worth
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it to get out of the rentals, like he says that,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and I'm wondering, like is that true. I mean, it
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: does make sense because I think when they leave to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: go to flag Staff, it's because their loan payments are
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: due or whatever. I think so, and they just couldn't
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: afford it, and that's why they had to leave, And
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: that would make a lot of sense. So they put
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: themselves at major financial risk, I think so to make
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: all these homes. And I mean, if you look at
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: it objectively, on their face, like only one person has
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a freaking job, it's Janelle.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they all have a job of TLC. And I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: think that is truly what they're gambling on. They're gambling
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: on the success of this new show, which at this
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: point season six is wildly popular. But I think by
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: season eleven the ratings are starting to dip and they
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: have to renegotiate their contracts. So, like it really is
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: risky in that way. And these are big fucking mortgages,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and I think that they've got adjustable interest loans with
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: like a big payoff at the end, and I mean,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot going on here, but they are
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: rolling the dice that they can be together and Cody
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: in this moment on this Christmas, which he calls the best.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: The best Christmas ever that they've ever had. Social secure.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Chris, this is like he's the best one, yeah, because
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: they're all together in this moment and it is recreating
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the vibe of Lehigh, which I do think at this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: time he really wants to return to.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, over the next few years he's going
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to get away from that dream and he's not gonna
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: want it anymore. But like, right here, right now, that's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: what it is, and they've got it. They've got it
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: all baby well.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And I think Janelle even says a comment too, like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: this is what it feels like. Our family is starting
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to feel like our family again. Like it's really nice
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: for us all to be under one roof if we
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: were in Lehigh, Like this is really great. This is
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: what we've been searching for this entire time in Vegas.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Like you can really feel like how terrible it's been
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: for them being in these rentals and being apart from
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: one another, Like they really put their family to the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: test at this point in time. So now that they're
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: back in the cul de Sac, we'll start to see
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: how that starts to disintegrate right even further, and then
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: they end up just breaking that apart again and come bating.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now that you kind of pull away the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: layers of all the things that was standing in the way,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: now that you guys are where you said you want
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to be, like, are you going to make this work?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Are you going to be able to have a schedule?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Are you going to be able to have a rhythm
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that's healthy for everybody? The answer is no. Yeah, We're
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: going to be watching that in the seasons to come.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It's fantastic.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I love it, right, It's really crazy and trashy. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: then we have the you for next week's episode where
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: apparently they're burying a time capsule.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I remember kind of coming online with sisters and becoming
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: conscious like the AI around this time, and it might
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: have been when they were digging up the time capsule.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Do they dig it up?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, or when they were bearing the time
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was the one they were bearing
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: it because I don't remember the other stuff. Yeah, but
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I do remember them having a time capsule and doing
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, burying it in somebody's backyard.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Well, and I was seeing that. I'm like, I wonder
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: if there is an episode where they unearth it. But
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's so useless, Like you're unearthing it in
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: like a few four years later. Oh, that's so silly
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to me. But if they didn't unearth it and they
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: forgot about it, I would love for some forensic raccoon
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to go and find that crap on Google Earth.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: That's get like an archaeological group together to dig it up. Yeah,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to just dig it up and see what they'd been doing.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: How it would be see.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: What they got in there.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see it too, and keep it for
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Sister Wives memorabilia. And then we have Cody digging a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: hole in his backyard and asking Mary yet again about
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: having a baby.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm going astrol and I'm leaving this how many
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: times and I can't be arked. She's looking at her forties.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We've been having this tough conversation since season one, since
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: season We're in season six, yeah, and I'm just like,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, Mary, you are postmenopausal at this literally,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: so you're not your forty three your paramount. I'm just
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: saying you're, oh, still, and you don't want to know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: because if you were motivated to have a child, you
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: would have been doing something. You would have been taking
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Robin up on her dumb offer. And so I'm like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: why are we continuing to have this conversation? And my
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: theory is that it's just this attempt to continuously center
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and platform Robin and her altruistic offer to be the surrogate.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: So everybody just thinks she's so fricking great.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: That would make sense, honestly, because otherwise I'm like, this
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: storyline is absolutely and more Bart serious Bart. And then
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: we have a preview of Robin giving her speech to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the kids about the biggest mistake she's ever made in
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: her life. And I know what this is about. It's
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: about her being.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: A hope, really.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and her losing her purity because she gives like
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: this whole speech with like a locket and she like
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: tells a story and she starts crying immediately, and she's
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: wearing a stupid like Mormons skirt and everything, and she's like,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, I'm just crapping on Robin's Mormon skirt,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Like not Mormons and wearing skirts.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: That's great, he worries Robin and her specific Mormon skirts.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly because she starts crying. She's got like a locket
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: and she's like, let me tell you, threw him at
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a girl who gave her heart and her purity to
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: a boy who didn't care. He threw it in the
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: trash and it was the biggest mistake of her life.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And all of the kids, like, I think they I
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: saw a clip about it a while ago. Now the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: kids are just like going limp just listening to her
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: talk about this God. And Janelle in the background is like,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I did that. But also she did it too. She
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: was married before Cony. Oh yeah, so it's like, why
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: are we talking about Robin losing her purity?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody cares. That's just a very cringe. That's super cringe,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: turbo cringe. And I can't wait to get you. I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: sure Mattie is just sitting there with that hook faces
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: like shut up.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm like, is she like talking to Gleb at
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: this point in time too?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: And some of these kids people get mad when we
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: bring up the fact that I think Maddie was talking
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to Caleb around the time of seventeen years old. Yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: at Lea at least years old, and he was like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: what forty five? I know, we didn't have no hair hood. Yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I mean it was weird. It was a weird time.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: He was a whole ass man about she was right.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Here because that's inappropriate, but like, maybe Maddie needs to
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: hear this lecture more than anybody else there.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Maddie and ben Kelty, oh god, yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Maybelty and her boobs and her camousles he tak top, God.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Forbid, and Logan who's probably at college and all these
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: frat parties swinging. Yeah, Draking is swinging it. Yes, true,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: So for him, I know, God, live your life, young man.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so then we're gonna have to see Robin
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: cry about that with the locket, and I can't wait.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: The locket, which is emblematic cook COOKI for fat cat.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You know she got fat cat.
• 47:53
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• 47:54
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• 47:56
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• 48:00
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• 48:01
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• 48:04
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• 48:06
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• 48:16
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• 48:17
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• 48:23
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• 48:24
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• 48:27
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• 48:33
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• 48:41
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• 48:56
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• 48:59
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• 49:00
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• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody's got fat cat, sure, or a noodle or a
• 49:04
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• 49:06
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• 49:09
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• 49:10
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• 49:11
  Speaker 1: What's that? Did you look at it?
• 49:13
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• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Eagle on a fat cat or confused? I gotta do
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  Speaker 1: to be back later this week? I don't know.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: No, So your second time recording this.
• 49:28
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• 49:32
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• 49:33
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• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So we were going to record all of our answers
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• 49:44
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• 49:49
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• 49:51
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• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Longer episode next week where we can all get in
• 49:55
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• 49:59
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• 50:02
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