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Football at Four: Going Inside ESPN on Eagles and Hurts · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt, despite immense success, is facing some frustrations now
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  Speaker 1: within his own building. Mainly, sources point to an issue
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  Speaker 1: with coachability that even in twenty twenty four when they
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  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, coaches trying to implement new schemes,
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  Speaker 1: motions and shifts, maybe more things under center hursus pushed
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  Speaker 1: back to those at times. They feel like changes within
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  Speaker 1: the huddle to play calls have been excessive at times,
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  Speaker 1: even you know, giving signals to receivers with you know, hands, stables,
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  Speaker 1: a change of play that weren't installed in the offense.
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  Speaker 1: So those are things that have just sort of come
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  Speaker 1: to a head. Despite all the winning that they've done,
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  Speaker 1: the passing attack has not diversified in recent years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we all have seen that football and four powered
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field. By the way, Phillies
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  Speaker 2: down five to three. Bryce Harper's up with two on
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  Speaker 2: in the ninth and he just popped up to shortstop. Ah,
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  Speaker 2: that's a bummer. Schwarber is on and so is a Turner.
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  Speaker 2: So there's two outs in the ninth. Harper did homer
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  Speaker 2: in his last at bat to make it five to three.
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  Speaker 2: They're down five to three. They're down to their final out.
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  Speaker 2: But things never seem to be quiet around the Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: And it seems like every couple of years there's one
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  Speaker 2: of these quarterback stories that come out. And this one's interesting. Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: let's kind of set the stage here. This was not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be a Jalen Hurts article. This was more just, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what happened to the offense? And it seemed a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the sourcing and reporting started to go down the
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  Speaker 2: road of the quarterback. Is that how you kind of
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  Speaker 2: read this piece that a lot of people in this
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  Speaker 2: building are saying, what's wrong with the offense? Well, you
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  Speaker 2: got this, this and this, and as Fowler kind of mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurt's name just kept coming up a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So I didn't realize that when I read the story.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's something Jeremy might have said on ESPN
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  Speaker 4: that it didn't start out that way.
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  Speaker 2: He said that the reason they wrote the article was
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  Speaker 2: not for where it went to. The article was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be about the struggles of the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: offense that had all this talent but didn't really do
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  Speaker 2: what you thought, and that when he started to get
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  Speaker 2: sourcing dozens of sources, this is how the story ended up.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you just a really basic football question. Sure,
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  Speaker 4: take the Eagles out of it. If you're going to
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  Speaker 4: write a story about a team's struggle on offense, what
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  Speaker 4: are the odds that the quarterback is not going to
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  Speaker 4: be at the center of that story.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, in.
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  Speaker 4: All fairness, and I love Jeremy, I don't think he's
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  Speaker 4: trying to backpedal. I think I'm sure he was looking
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  Speaker 4: to write something him and Tim about the Eagles offense
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  Speaker 4: with all that money involved, and how it.
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  Speaker 3: Could have evolved to what it did.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, you can't be surprised that it came
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  Speaker 4: back that a big part of it is about the quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: because that's how offense works in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: You're right about that, You're definitely right about that. But
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  Speaker 2: obviously This was layers and layers and layers of different things,
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  Speaker 2: tense moments between him and Kellen Moore in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: When I want to start there, because to me this
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  Speaker 2: sets up everything is that More coaches them hard, there's
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  Speaker 2: tense moments, and he got the most out of them
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  Speaker 2: a championship. Then there's some reporting that he had too
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  Speaker 2: many yes men around him. Well, More's out of the building,
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  Speaker 2: and now maybe the offensive coordinator and the others don't
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  Speaker 2: hold him as accountable for changing the play, going off script,
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  Speaker 2: calling his own plays that aren't even installed in the offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So let me first say this, I really give a
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  Speaker 4: lot of credit to the work that both Tim mcmanuson
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  Speaker 4: Jeremy Feller did because when I read the story, what
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  Speaker 4: jumped out to me right off the bat was how
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  Speaker 4: balanced it was Mike, and how a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: reporters write stories with anonymous sourcing, and I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if they do this intrinsically or just subconsciously, but they
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  Speaker 4: sort of You can tell that they either took a
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  Speaker 4: side or they presented more than one, like one side
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  Speaker 4: more than the other. And I think the beauty of
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  Speaker 4: the ESPN story that came out between Tim and Jeremy
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  Speaker 4: is that there's actually contrasting points made in that story.
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  Speaker 4: There are points that Jalen Hurts is uncoachable, does it
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  Speaker 4: his way, wants it to look a certain way, is
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  Speaker 4: unapologic about it. And then there are also quotes and
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  Speaker 4: sources who say he is more open than ever to changing,
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  Speaker 4: to being adaptable. So I give them both credit for
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  Speaker 4: really balancing you. That's not a hit piece. If anybody
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  Speaker 4: thinks that's a hit piece on Jalen Hurts, they don't
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  Speaker 4: know what a real hit piece is, and it's like
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  Speaker 4: they've forgotten what journalism is supposed to be. That is
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  Speaker 4: a very balanced story with a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 4: of sources, yes.
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  Speaker 3: And sources that don't always agree.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's the point you're left with, Mike,
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  Speaker 4: is that if you're rational enough to under stand that
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  Speaker 4: there are two things can be true at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: and that several people can look at the situation and
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  Speaker 4: find different either culprits or different people responsible, different people
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  Speaker 4: to praise, different people to discredit. You get that, and
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  Speaker 4: that that's really what the story is. That's what life is.
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  Speaker 4: You know, not everybody a Greg CoA Stal likes to
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  Speaker 4: say in scouting when he breaks down tape, you know,
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  Speaker 4: reasonable people can disagree. Sometimes two people will watch tape
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  Speaker 4: of a player and come away with a different opinion
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  Speaker 4: and say, well, that possible, right.
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  Speaker 3: So I think what it really just goes to show.
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  Speaker 4: Though, is if you're among the people, if you're a
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  Speaker 4: consumer of football, if you're a fan of the Eagles,
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  Speaker 4: and you've got some semblance of common sense about you,
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  Speaker 4: you know that the quarterback in terms of this story,
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  Speaker 4: has some flaws and has some that we've talked about,
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  Speaker 4: has some things that he's got to improve, and you
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  Speaker 4: come away hoping that or at least given the glimmer
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  Speaker 4: that maybe he recognizes that and will improve upon it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, all right, so let's break down a couple things here.
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  Speaker 2: The word uncoachable is not a great word to use
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  Speaker 2: when talking about somebody, especially like Hershie was a coach
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  Speaker 2: OF's son, and we've heard how coachable, you know, supposedly
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  Speaker 2: he is.
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  Speaker 5: When you hear sources.
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  Speaker 2: Say that he's uncoachable, is this a case of him
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  Speaker 2: being stubborn or someone who doesn't trust the scheme he's
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  Speaker 2: being asked to run?
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me let me just talk about what Adam
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  Speaker 4: and I have reported a couple of different times and
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  Speaker 4: talked about on Inside the Birds, and I got a
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  Speaker 4: nice A person reached out to me today. It was
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  Speaker 4: a long time Inside the Birds listener and had read
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  Speaker 4: the story, and this person's remark to me, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: not trying to steal from Timid that Tim and Jeremy
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  Speaker 4: took it to another level.
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  Speaker 3: They did a great job.
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  Speaker 4: But this person reached out to me and said that
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  Speaker 4: they felt that they already knew a lot about what
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  Speaker 4: has come out because of Inside the Birds and what
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  Speaker 4: Adam and I.
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  Speaker 3: Have talked about.
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  Speaker 4: So I'll just feel comfortable saying, like we have discussed that,
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  Speaker 4: two things about Jalen is he tends to be you know,
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  Speaker 4: and this won't surprise people.
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  Speaker 3: He's just got a little like an introverted.
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  Speaker 4: Sense about him where he obviously has the utmost confidence
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  Speaker 4: in himself to the point where he has this lives
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  Speaker 4: life by this chip, by these mantras, by these one
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  Speaker 4: liners that we call Sabanism's right and he's very stoic
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  Speaker 4: in that regard, and that has also made him a
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  Speaker 4: little bit difficult. As we've heard and talked about for
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  Speaker 4: his teammates to relate to. He's not like a kind
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  Speaker 4: of like let's have a conversation at the bar type
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  Speaker 4: of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, is the way we get it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I also I've been opined that he seems very unrelatable.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, right, and then signing that big contract, winning the
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, becoming MVP, lighting up the cigar allah Michael
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  Speaker 4: Jordan style, right.
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  Speaker 3: You know that.
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  Speaker 4: I think Derek Gunn kind of talked about that during
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  Speaker 4: the season when some things came out, just how he
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  Speaker 4: perceives himself and wants to be perceived. Well, that goes
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  Speaker 4: into coaching. When you sign a big contract, when you've
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  Speaker 4: reached this level, this is not immune to anybody and
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  Speaker 4: certainly not remain to just jail on hurts, but you
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  Speaker 4: start to view yourself a little bit differently. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that that is fair reporting that. You know, he's
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  Speaker 4: a guy who's not just good And we saw this
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  Speaker 4: with Carson Wentz. You see with other people that is
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  Speaker 4: just going to just do what's being told without either
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  Speaker 4: questioning it or having his own imprint on it or
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  Speaker 4: feeling on it, and what you want to call that
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  Speaker 4: on coach boy, Sure some people would.
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  Speaker 5: By the way five five.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw that five to five, so so just
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  Speaker 2: got to base it to tie the game up in
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of the ninth there with two outs in
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of the ninth, So that is happening as
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  Speaker 2: well as when it's five five with the runners on
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  Speaker 2: second and third. Yeah, I'm paying attention to you because
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  Speaker 2: I have a follow up question here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm listening. I'm following along here.
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  Speaker 4: I love that the Philli has decided to wait seven
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  Speaker 4: endings before they start having good at bats.
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  Speaker 3: But whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, so, so, yeah, I think that that's it's
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  Speaker 4: a fair assessment of him. It certainly something I've heard
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  Speaker 4: about other guys who have excelled in their position as well.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like I said, it's not something that's unique
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  Speaker 4: to just chilling herts.
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  Speaker 3: But no, wait, you got to be coachable though, you
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  Speaker 3: do have to accept coaching.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yes, And and you know I have said all
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  Speaker 2: the time that when things aren't going well, when things
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  Speaker 2: are going find everything's fine. But when things aren't going well,
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  Speaker 2: he seems very just not relatable, like just not one
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  Speaker 2: of us, not one of the guys. And then say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: how come things were going well well? So and so,
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  Speaker 2: and yesterday you hear the owner speak glowingly about him,
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  Speaker 2: and it felt like some people are saying he has
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  Speaker 2: poor body language, he doesn't buy in, he's not coachable,
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  Speaker 2: and we notice it, but the people who matter don't
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  Speaker 2: notice it, and that gets frustrating. If that's the case.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it can be, I mean, and I think that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we have probably had discussions like this over
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  Speaker 4: the last few years about his relayabile, relatability.
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  Speaker 3: Approachability, things of that nature.
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  Speaker 4: In the end of the day, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: the biggest thing in the world. I think it gets
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  Speaker 4: magnified when you lose and then sort of brushed over
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  Speaker 4: when you win.
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  Speaker 3: But the reality is the Eagles are either winning.
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowls or getting knocked out of the first round,
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  Speaker 4: so it's gonna come.
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  Speaker 3: Up when that happens.
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  Speaker 4: And that's sort of a part of their story of
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  Speaker 4: being this ultra successful franchise who either wins it all
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  Speaker 4: or disappoints people and then to a point where you
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  Speaker 4: don't understand what's going on. And that's a part of
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts the story he is. I thought this The
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  Speaker 4: story on ESPN did a really interesting job of pointing
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  Speaker 4: out that when he's not the guy, right like, you
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  Speaker 4: see him work so hard to become the guy, and
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  Speaker 4: now he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's not losing his job to Tua. Heear he's won
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  Speaker 3: a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: He's not the guy that has to have the chip
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  Speaker 4: on his shoulder anymore because he's the guy that people
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  Speaker 4: want to be and you have to handle that differently.
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  Speaker 4: And the story did a good job to explain now
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  Speaker 4: and the source has said, he's got to get used
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  Speaker 4: to that now. Okay, he's got to be a little
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  Speaker 4: more related, but he's got to stop acting like you know,
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  Speaker 4: twenty people are disrespecting him all the time. He's signed
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  Speaker 4: a contract, he's won the Super Bowl. Yeah, throw your
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  Speaker 4: arm around another guy who might be struggling.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: One of the I thought parts of this that was
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  Speaker 2: that stood out was that sources close to Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: says he has too many yes people around him, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have Sean Mannion. You know, how does that
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  Speaker 2: comment resonate with a thirty three year old first time coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great, And I think I think that goes
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  Speaker 4: back to the conversation where you just never thought after
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles fired Kevin Batulo that they were going to
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  Speaker 4: hire another novice play caller, but they like Sean Mann
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  Speaker 4: and they think he's really brilliant, and honestly, if they're
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  Speaker 4: going to put their eggs in that basket, they expect
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  Speaker 4: him to coach Jalen Hurts, and that means they expect
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts to take the coaching.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: If not add to this, Jeff is the report that
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  Speaker 2: there were tense more between him and Kellen Moore, but
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  Speaker 2: they won the Super Bowl, So that kind of tells
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  Speaker 2: me Kellen Moore pushed back on him where maybe Patullo
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  Speaker 2: did not.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this is a This reminds me of
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  Speaker 4: a lot of conversations from that year. Kellen Moore tried
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  Speaker 4: to run his offense for about four or five weeks,
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  Speaker 4: and the story that came out today pointed out we
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  Speaker 4: talked about that on ad Nausea that year on inside
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  Speaker 4: the Birds tried to run his style of offense a
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  Speaker 4: lot more motion. At the end of the day, after
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  Speaker 4: the sixth week of the season, it was a lot
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  Speaker 4: more like the Eagles offense with some motion.
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  Speaker 3: They did to do more motion than maybe they had
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  Speaker 3: done prior.
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  Speaker 4: But the point is you can either call that a
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  Speaker 4: compromise or you can call that a coach getting frustrated,
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  Speaker 4: crumbling up the paper and saying we're just going to
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  Speaker 4: run the ball, which is another way to look at
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  Speaker 4: it too, And they did that really well.
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  Speaker 2: Why is there such a massive disconnect in your mind
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  Speaker 2: regarding Hurtz going under center or play action I mean
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  Speaker 2: to me, or not well play action, but also setting
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  Speaker 2: a man in motion to me, like if he's unwilling
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  Speaker 2: to just like just take the under center thing, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's not comfortable with that. That I can understand. Sending
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  Speaker 2: a guy in motion he would be adverse like that
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  Speaker 2: to me?
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  Speaker 3: Is no, I get it. You know Peyton Manning hated
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  Speaker 3: motion as well.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, yeah, I've heard that reporting.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely, when you send players in motion, the defense adjusts.
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  Speaker 4: And usually you send a person in motion right before
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  Speaker 4: you snap the ball, right, so if the defense then adjusts,
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  Speaker 4: as a quarterback, when you're in the shotgun, especially, you
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  Speaker 4: have already surveyed the defense and you have already figured
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  Speaker 4: out what you want to do based on that defensive look.
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  Speaker 4: So if now you have a motion man that changes
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  Speaker 4: the defense at the snap. Now, as a quarterback, you
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  Speaker 4: have to do mid snap or post snap, I should say,
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  Speaker 4: processing and figure out perhaps a different throw than you
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  Speaker 4: might have thought before the motion based on.
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  Speaker 3: The defensive Look, gotcha, So I can understan and that.
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  Speaker 4: Now someone will say, listen, you want to be a
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  Speaker 4: high profile quarterback in the NFL, you have to be
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  Speaker 4: a good post snap processor. And that would be the
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  Speaker 4: knock that Jaln's much more of a pre snap determiner
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  Speaker 4: than a post snap processor, So that that's the rock
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  Speaker 4: quarterback wouldn't want that. The back to the The the
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  Speaker 4: under center versus shotgun thing is twofold. Also one he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't like to have his bet when you go and shot.
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  Speaker 4: When you go under center and then you snap the ball,
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  Speaker 4: whether you're passing or running, your back has to face
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  Speaker 4: the defense. So if it's a play action pass for
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  Speaker 4: most you have to fake to the running back with
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  Speaker 4: your back facing the defense. Then you lose that picture
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  Speaker 4: in your head. And quarterbacks who play exclusively out of
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  Speaker 4: the shotgun the way Hurtz did in college don't really
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  Speaker 4: like to do that because it's new to them and
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  Speaker 4: they don't want to see the picture change while they're
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  Speaker 4: turning their back. In fact, Mike I brought this up
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  Speaker 4: in a story that I wrote during the season. Minnesota
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  Speaker 4: game is the first game where they showed under center
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  Speaker 4: jumpbo package play action.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You remember the touch down he threw to Devonte Smith
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  Speaker 4: in that game bomb that came from under center. If
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  Speaker 4: you go back and watch that, it was a very
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  Speaker 4: uniquely drawn up play where he was under center, but
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  Speaker 4: he never actually fully turned his back when he faked
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  Speaker 4: the handoff to sa Quon Barkley. It was one of
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  Speaker 4: those kind of side and then a quick throw. He
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  Speaker 4: never fully did the full pivot. It wasn't true downhill
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  Speaker 4: play action because he never turned his back to the
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  Speaker 4: defense in that snap. So that's something that again quarterbacks
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  Speaker 4: don't like, and Jalen like obviously being at a shotgun
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  Speaker 4: for most of his career because that also presented the
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  Speaker 4: fact that he could run. The defense isn't gonna think
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna run if you're under the quarterback. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if you're under center when you're in shotgun, that brings
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  Speaker 4: the RPO element, It brings a zone read element that
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  Speaker 4: was a big part of his career for the first
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: four or five years.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: There's a report from Jeremy Foul. We're talking with Jeff Bosher.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It's football for that. You know that he changes the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: plays at the line of scrimmage to win a sessive
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: degree freestyling. Sometimes he calls plays that are not installed
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: in the package. Is that something that we should be
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: shocked by or is that normal?
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I just think that that's a good at least way
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: for people to understand.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: And they won't anyway. I mean many will I shouldn't
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: say everybody, but they'll be the detractors.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: But you know, for all the throwing under we said
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: all the time, you can't blame the play caller for
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: every play call. Because a guy goes into the huddle
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: with two or three calls to begin with based on
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: the defensive look, and they settle on a play call.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Because of all the checks and the changes of defense,
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: then the play call changes a lot, and that's up
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: to the quarterback in that regard, especially a veteran quarterback,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: to make sure he's making the right play call.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: So I have no I don't think the issue is.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: That Jalen Hurts changes the plays a lot, because again,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: every quarterback does that. I think the issue is, are
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: you changing it to a play call that's good that
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: it is a good play against that defense, because we
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: know that Jalen Hurts prefers to throw the deep ball
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: outside the sidelines, right. And then that's where the fourth
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: and sixth play against Green Bay came in, where he
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: changed the call and Rick Nick Sirianni was like, what
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: are you doing? You know, and everybody blames Patulo and
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Sirianni and calls them idiots, and you know, reminds everybody
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: that Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl, but they want.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: To ignore that part, and that part can't be ignored.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: You can change a play call, but you've got you
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: can't call the same play all the time just because
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: that's your strength. It's got to be a good play
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: call to come back to defense.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: The how much pressure of any does this report put
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: on Sirianni?
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Do you think? I think it puts more pressure on
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're they're inextricted, inextricably linked anyway, Like if
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: the Eagles had a terrible year ago six and eleven,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: they're probably both going to lose their jobs, you know.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: But I think just the idea that they went out
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: and hired Sean Manion because they think he's an amazing
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: designer or offense or he had great ideas and they
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: didn't go with a veteran play caller.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: It shows you that they weren't just gonna.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I asked that question just because if uncoachable, that narrative
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: continues and the offense isn't good Again, does the organization
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: look at hurts or that the coach can't coach the quarterback?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Say it again? Let me think about the said.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: So I asked the question about Sirianni. Is that if
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: uncoachable is the word, and that narrative continues, does ownership
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and how we say the offense if the offense struggles again,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: is that them saying you're not getting through to this quarterback.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: He's our guy and you're not getting through to them.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't answer that, man. I think I have
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the same question you do. You know the owners of
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the owner?
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Does the owner gave a glowing report about him and.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: That and that's not lip service? The owner really dies
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: like he didn't.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Give a glowing report about Jalen Carter.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: That was funny, confusing one for the other. But the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: owner really does like Jalen Hurts now the owners.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Owners liked a lot of players who eventually walked out
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: the door because they weren't getting a job done. So
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the owner is still the owner and he still got
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: a bottom line.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: But you got to remember this about Jalen Hurtz and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: the owner.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: The owner was involved in that decision to draft him
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: and took a lot of heat for it and now
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: looks like the biggest genius in the NFL because Jalen
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Hurts has turned successful. So it'll probably take a lot,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: But I would say a bad season is a lot, right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I mean you just heard him say when they fall
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: short of winning the Super Bowl, it's disappointing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So he loves the guy. He's not going to give
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: up on him easily.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, you're presenting sort of a
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: doomsday scenario. What if this thing backfires and the offense
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: is horrible again, Well, I think then anything is on
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: the table.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: We're calcified. That was the word that they used to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: describe the offense. When you talk to people around the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: league or you look at the Eagles, do they view
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: this as a the limitations of Jalen Hurts or has
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: it been Nick Sirianni's offense is very vanilla.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, one thing about the offense that we
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: expect to be implemented, Mike, is it. It's supposed to
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: come with a whole lot of answers, and typically Shanahan
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: McVey style quarterbacks, the floor don't have to change the
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: play as much because the answers are already supposed to
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: be built in. So that's my way of saying, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: look forward to seeing on you know, what happens with
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: the Eagles offense.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: There's support.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I think that's a big reason why Manion's here, so
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: that Jalen may not have to make as many of
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: those decisions.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: The report has dozens of sources, so there's a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: of people who spoke on this.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: So why now.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I can't answer that I'm not the author.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I only asked that as a guy who's a reporter,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you know, because again, this wasn't set out to go
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: after Jalen Hurts this right. This story was about the offense.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: So so people might say, well, why now are the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Eagles trying to get the message to Jalen that we
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: know what's been going on here buddy or not?
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Are you not reading it? That way.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think a story like this comes out because
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: the Eagles facilitate it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: So other than that, I really couldn't tell you why now.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: All right. The other part of the story.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Is AJ Brown is involved in the story a little bit,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: believe it or not. And it was pretty blunt about
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown's effort and his struggles when it came to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: zone defenses.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Right, That's what I got from it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And is the friction that has happened between Hurts and
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Brown a result of the scheme that they run failing them?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Or is this Brown just not liking the offense?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll just you know again, I'll give you my
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: feeling on it. That's independent of the story. I think
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: back to.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Has just won the game for the Phillies.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Ah man, this kid is really off to such a
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: great start.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: And you know why because he's putting the ball on
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: the ground, he's beaten out hits, He's he's not trying
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: to hit home runs. Although he did hit a nice
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: double off the wall. He might have to back clean up, Mike.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: That's the way he's going. Yeah, what a great, great
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: at bat by Crawford there, I will say I'll go
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: back to I forget what game it was where A. J.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Brown had a couple of touchdowns. One of them was
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: because a guy fell I think it was man. It
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: was man to man and Hurts threw it up left.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Side caught touchdown.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Another one was was a really nice pass in between
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: two defenders.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it was mannered on on that one.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: But after the game, A J.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Brown, you know, everybody thought he would be like finally happy,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: and he had that post that said use me, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: don't use me, right ye ye, Yet my my read.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Into that, without you know, AJ clarifying it was.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: That, yeah, like, yeah, I'm there for you on your
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: signature deep bombs, right, but like when I'm opening zone,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: when when there are other plays where you could get
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: me the ball.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: You don't want to do it. That was that was
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: kind of my my read on that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: But but but to the story's point, and something we've
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: talked about with Greg Cosell on inside the tape that
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: we do every week, you know, twice a week during
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the season where we break down the offense every week.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: It's it's quite clear that he was far more successful
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: of a of a touchdown maker against man than zone.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: But I will say that that Chargers game and then
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: moving when they started to do some different things offensively,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I thought he made some really really good improvements throwing
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: between the numbers and in the middle of the field
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: from the Chargers game to the game after that, and
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden it went like at the
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: end of the year. I went back through, you didn't
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: see it, which is confounding to me. But I guess
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: that's why this story came out.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Well, this reminds me a lot of and you guys
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that inside the Birds have John d Philippo as a guest.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You know plenty of times over the years that when
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Wentz had d Philippo, he coached him really hard and
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the result was Carson Wentz was an MVP candidate. And
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: then when he left and Carson kind of got his way.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So maybe Jalen Hurts is someone who needs that hard coaching.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I most quarterbacks need hard coaching, you know, no doubt,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: no doubt if you go back to the Brady Belichick
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: era and it didn't end great. But I mean, who's
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: argued with all the success in the Super Bowls, that
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: ESPN story that came out that sort of detailed how
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: things got wonky at the end.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: Part of the build up though to winning all those
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: titles was Brady accepting from Bill that he was going
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: to make a remark every once in a while, like
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: the quarterback at Foxborough High could have made that throw, right. So,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: and Bill's message to Brady early in his career, I
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: need to be able to coach you hard despite the
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: fact that you're a superstar, because that's the tone.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: We have to set here for to have succeint sustained success.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Nobody can be bigger than the team, and so I
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: think all quarterbacks need that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Just to uh, you know, you mentioned the balance of
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the story. There is a part of the story that
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: says one team source says that Hurts is quote as
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: open as he's ever been to changes. So training can't
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: get it, can't get here soon enough, right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Hurts Hurts PR team doing a great job too.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: You gotta love it Eagles PR team versus Hurts PR
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: team very well.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: The Eagles, by the way.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: The Eagles, by the way did not comment on the story, correct, right,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that messaging is.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: What do you think you're not gonna comment?
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: All? Right? All right, football for Jeff Moser. Good one.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Today Phillies win justin Crawford with an RBI single in
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the tenth. By the way, Doran came
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: in and pitch the top of the tenth and one
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: two three inning. There Philly's down five two, a Harper homer,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a real Muto homer, and then a couple of runs
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: to tie it in the ninth and a Crawford single
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to win it in the tenth. There we go, Jeff Mocher,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: good stuff when you come on.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: And again we don't get to my Yukon husky. So
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I guess we'll have to talk about it on Monday,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: when they're going to be playing for a national title.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I guess that's what we're gonna have to do, Mike.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: All right, we'll talk about it Monday. By all right,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Jeff Mocher,