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BONUS: The Podcast About Podcasts – Featuring Athletes Mondiaux · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Here we go back on our podcast about podcast.
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  I'm super excited about today. I've got Matilde here with me.
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  I love when we get to expose our audience and expose myself to
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  other outside of the US borders podcast.
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  So super excited about this one. Matilde, why don't you get
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  started? Maybe kind of like on a 30,000
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  foot level. Tell us who you are.
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  How did you get started? What's your relationship to
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  track and field, and what's the name of your podcast?
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  Well, first, thanks for having me.
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  I'm glad to be here. I'm Matila, I'm from France and
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  I have a podcast podcast called Aclete Mondeaux, which is French
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  for let's say, athletes of the world, something like that.
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  It's a multilingual podcast that I started in January of 2023.
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  So it's been over two years now and I do interviews in various
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  languages. So French is the main language,
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  but I also do interviews in English, Spanish, Italian.
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  I'm a polyglot. So this is, and this is what I
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  love about track and field is everybody can do track and
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  field. So you get, I get to talk to
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  people from different backgrounds who have different
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  languages. So it's a lot of fun.
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  So yeah, it's been 2 years. I do mostly interviews with
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  athletes, but also with coaches, agents, photographers,
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  journalists, Yeah, many different types of people.
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  Well, it's going to be hard for me to keep this in the 15 to 20
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  minute round because I want to ask so much about just being a
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  polyglot, just all those different languages.
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  Holy cow, that's quite amazing. I'll steer away from it though.
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  Maybe I'll have to have a have you come back to the show and
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  we'll do a, a regular content for that.
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  That's quite, quite amazing. Talk to us about the podcast,
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  about your focus. You mentioned you do have some
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  athletes and coaches, so is the style one-on-one interview?
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  Is it panel? Is it solo?
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  Talk to us about the actual style that we could expect when
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  we listen to the podcast. It's mostly 1 to one.
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  I don't really do a lot of solo episodes because I think what my
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  listeners want to hear hear about, it's just, you know, the
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  athletes journeys and it's not they don't really want to hear
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  from me. I mean, they like me as, as the
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  host, but they want to hear from the athletes.
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  And it's mostly with one guest at a time.
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  But I've also done interviews with several guests and I find
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  it also quite interesting because it's a conversation.
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  A few months ago I had Jeff Hardwick, Sam Kendricks and
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  Chris Nelson together in English.
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  And it was interesting because they they're friends and they
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  have a lot to talk about. And, and it was not just a
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  formal interview. It was a conversation between
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  friends. So that was a lot of fun.
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  But so I try to explore different, different things,
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  different ideas. It's also quite, yeah, things I
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  hadn't planned from the get go, but it's interesting.
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  I can only that sounds like a fun episode because Jeff Hartwig
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  is I'd call a very good friend of mine as well as business and
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  and I know those three very well.
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  So I can't imagine just the the the kind of inside jokes they
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  would slip in the chirping over each other.
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  Sam Kendricks, when we had Jeff Hartwig on our show, popped in
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  as like a, you know, they were in a hotel overseas and they
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  popped in and, you know, again, just the chirping.
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  That sounds like a fun one. I love that one.
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  What about the Well, let's talk about first of all, the
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  significance of the name. It seems kind of understood of
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  like, oh, we we deal with athletes around the world.
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  How was the intentionality of coming up with that name versus,
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  you know, a million other probably ideas that you had?
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  Well, The thing is I started at Let Mondo in 2005, but as a
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  blog. So I think Mondo is turning 20
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  this year, which makes me feel quite old.
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  But it was a blog back then I had, I mean, podcasts were not
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  even a thing. So when I decided to launch the
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  podcast, I thought, oh, should I go with another name?
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  And then people told me no in the French speaking track and
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  field. Well, it is known.
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  So just stick to it, stick with it.
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  It's it is known and it sort of made sense, athletes of the
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  world with the idea I had for the podcast.
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  So I kept it. But yeah, it was, I think Monday
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  was turning 20 this year. I love that and what a great
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  example that podcast can start from other avenues.
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  So here's a successful blog that turned into a podcast that may
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  give someone who's listening hope that their blog one day
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  might be a podcast. And when we press play Mathilde,
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  what's the average? I know there's, you know,
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  there's Min and Maxes on some of the different episodes, but what
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  would be the average length of an episode?
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  I'd say around an hour, but when I feel like the guest has a lot
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  to say and a lot of time, I keep them.
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  I mean, I don't mind having them having them talk a bit a bit
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  longer and when they don't have a lot of time.
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  Like when I was at the World Indoors in Glasgow last year, I
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  got to interview David Woodisha and I was told by my contact at
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  World Athletics he only had 20 minutes and I said 20 minutes
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  will do you know, I was not going to say no, I passed just
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  because he has only 20 minutes. But more recently, do you know
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  Jean Gelfion, the 96th Olympic champion in the pool bowl from.
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  France. Yes, of course.
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  I interviewed him over yeah, one 1 1/2 year ago, but earlier this
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  year I sat down with this coach who's 90 now.
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  And so that was in France. So sorry for your American
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  listeners. You guys understand French too,
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  to enter the interview. But he, he really wanted to
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  talk. He's 90, but still very sharp
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  and he had a lot to say. So I was not going to tell him,
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  you know, one hour is enough. No, no, you have a lot to say.
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  I'm I'm all years, you know, keep talking.
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  So it depends. I'd say around an hour, but it
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  depends. I, I love that you're creating
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  these windows into someone's life that it, while it's
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  extremely important today and say 2025, in 2035 and 2045,
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  people are going to be able to hear these stories and
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  experiences. And that to me, that's one of
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  the responsibilities I feel as a host sometimes of like, hey, you
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  know, this, we're telling this guy or gal story that people in
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  the future, people aren't even born today are going to be able
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  to, to hear. So I love that you're doing
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  that, Mathilde. So what was the you had a
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  successful blog 20 years, by the way, that bravo to that alone.
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  What was the motivation to move from from blog to pod?
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  What? What was the idea there and why?
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  Well, I was actually bored in my life.
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  I worked as a translator and I just needed something new to do
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  with my life. I wanted to step out of my
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  comfort zone. And I love listening to podcast.
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  I love track and field. I know I speak a few languages.
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  I have contacts, I thought why not?
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  And The thing is, I know there are podcasts started a long time
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  ago in the in the US and in in the UK, but in France it was
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  still quite new back then. So we had no track and field
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  podcasts. In French there were a lot of
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  running podcasts, but there was nothing about the entire sport
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  of track and field. And I knew we had the the Paris
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  Olympics coming up, so I thought if I want to do it, I should do
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  it now. Great idea.
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  Yeah. Great timing.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, and I, I thought maybe
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  it won't work, maybe I won't like it, but I never know if I
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  don't try. So I did try and I.
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  What was the Was the blog a interview style blog or did that
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  style come in with the podcast? No, in the beginning it was
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  mostly me talking about the best athletes in the world.
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  It was more like BIOS, but I did do some regular interviews.
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  But it was fun. But I had no ambition with it.
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  It was just interviews. It was fun, but I never saw it
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  as more than just something I did in my free time.
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  Yeah, makes sense. But yeah.
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  And when we go to the podcast, you mentioned that this is in
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  several different languages, maybe majority of French, maybe
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  it's kind of what I'm gathering. When I look at the list, will I
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  see like, oh, OK, this one's in French, this one's in Spanish,
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  this one, like I'll know which ones are in my native language
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  right off the bat. I'll kind of know.
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  Yeah, it's in the title, but everything that is not recorded
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  in French is also available in French because I wanted to have
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  a common language for all episodes.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So if you do one in English, you have a translated French one as
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  well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Perfect. That's good.
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  And with today's technology, we're probably, you know, very,
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  very close to you just doing it in French.
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  And I just picked the English option and it dubs over.
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  We're probably closer than we think on that.
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  So that's that's really cool. You know, Matild in business,
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  you know, we're a manufacturer of sports equipment.
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  So we make pole vault pits, hurdles, vaulting poles, all
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  those kind of things. You know, a lot of different
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  people order our equipment. So we have moms that will buy a
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  discus for their son. We have obviously track coaches.
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  We we sell internationally, we sell into the construction
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  industry. But our ideal customer, like the
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  person that we're thinking about at all times when we create a
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  new product, market a new product, etcetera, is the high
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  school and college track coach in America specifically, right?
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  That's who our main, our ideal customer.
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  The same can be said for a podcast that many, many
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  different people might consume your podcast, But when you're
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  really thinking about the next guest and the type of
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  questioning your release schedule, things like that,
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  you're really thinking about a very specific person inside of
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  track and field who might that be for your podcast?
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  Who might be the ideal listener profile for the show?
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  Am I allowed to say myself? Because no, because you know, I,
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  I, I do the podcast I like to listen to.
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  And I know I have very different, very different types
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  of listeners. I have a lot of coaches who
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  listen to the podcast and I find it very rewarding to hear from
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  them when they tell me, you know, I'm, I was, I've been
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  struggling with an athlete dealing with whatever problem
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  that might be. And listening to your interview
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  with your guest, it helped me understand what she's going
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  through right now and I'll be able to help her better.
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  So it's really rewarding. But sometimes it's just people
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  who enjoy watching track control on TV.
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  Could be I have members of the French team who listen, who do
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  listen. So yeah.
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  But I because you know what it's like, it's a lot of work.
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  So I think you should have fun doing it, because if it if you
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  don't like it, it's not really worth it.
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  I think that is a fantastic attitude and actually one that I
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  see people making the most mistakes when they try to create
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  a podcast or a blog is they try to, to be something that they're
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  not. They're trying to be something
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  else instead of like, Hey, what would I like?
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  There's a plenty of people that are like me, So what, what would
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  I like and do that. And I think that attract, that's
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  authenticity is really what that is.
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  And that's what attracts people. So bravo, I, I love that.
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  Absolutely. OK, Matild, this is kind of two
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  questions. It's a big, it could be the same
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  answer, but more than likely not.
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  Do you have a favorite episode you've done?
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  You've done this now for two, going on three 3:00-ish years.
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  Do you have a favorite episode? And again, this might not be the
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  same answer, is what has maybe been the most popular episode,
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  the most downloaded? So what's maybe your most fun
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  episode you've done and what has been the most popular?
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  My question to you is, does anyone like being asked what
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  their favorite episode is? Like it's their babies.
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  No picking. It's like picking your favorite
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  child. Absolutely.
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  Yeah, it's yeah, The most listened to in French, it is.
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  Rene Lamott, 800 runner, made the Olympic final in Paris.
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  I knew the episode would have a lot of success.
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  Within 24 hours. It was the most listened to
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  episode ever. She is Fernet is very popular,
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  very genuine, very funny on social media.
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  People love her. So that was no surprise.
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  When it comes to other languages, it's mono duplanes,
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  which is not really a surprise surprise either.
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  Yeah. So yeah.
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  So these are the the most listened to episodes.
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  When it comes to my favorite episodes, I think you've had it
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  on on the show Ashton Eden. Yeah.
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  Ashton is, yeah. When I reached out to him, I
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  just thought he's never going to get back to me.
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  But I thought, I have nothing to lose, let's try.
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  And he did get back to me, and he said yes, OK.
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  And he's just a lovely guy, has some so interesting, so easy to
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  talk to. So that was a lot of fun.
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  More recently, I had a canny Zambino who was also super fun
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  to talk to. And then Jonathan's coach,
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  Marques Souvian, who is 90. That was very special.
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  Yeah, I love that. That's cool.
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  Yeah, all three great people. And I would echo Ashton as well.
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  Just he doesn't know. He doesn't know AVIP.
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  And what I mean by that is he treats everybody equal.
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  It don't matter if you're the CEO of Oracle or you're just an
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  up and coming track kid. He he is so great.
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  So I love that you had him and had that experience.
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  You know Mathilde, there are certainly some people that have
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  heard and listened to each one of your episodes.
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  It's rare, but there are some. Most people, most listeners come
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  in and out, right? Maybe depending on the language
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  that you have for that episode, the athlete or coach, even the
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  time of year. Some people listen less during
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  non track season and more during track season.
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  But you have been behind the mic on each and everyone of them.
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  What have you learned from hosting a podcast?
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  There's so much that goes into it, the marketing, the editing,
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  the guest reach out, think the interview and etcetera.
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  What you know If you look back over the last couple years, what
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  have you learned the most about being the host of a podcast?
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  Well, all of that, what goes into making a podcast and of
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  course what the topics we talked about in my guests.
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  But more than that, I think, and it might surprise you, but I
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  think it was a good reminder that these athletes who break
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  records and win medals are human beings.
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  And I can tell you a quick story.
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  In the beginning of each episode I asked my guest to do the
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  intro. Then I have my own intro where I
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  introduce them, but they do the intro when the interview is in
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  French, it's just in French. But if it's for instance in
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  English, they have to do it in English and in French.
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  So I tell them what to say. It's all in phonetics.
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  So and I remember 1 guest who has world and Olympic medals and
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  when I asked her to do the intro in French, I could see the
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  nerves she was so far out of, of our comfort, of our comfort
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  zone. And it was just a good reminder
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  for me that OK, she's she's been competing on the world stage,
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  but she still has doubts and fears.
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  And I don't know about you, but when I listen to podcasts, I
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  want to be able to relate to the guests.
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  Otherwise, I don't find it inspiring because if I feel like
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  I'm listening to a superstars superstar with no doubts and no
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  fears, I can't relate to that. But if I know they also have
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  fears and doubts and struggles, it's a good reminder that it's
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  OK to have doubts and fears and struggles.
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  It doesn't mean I can succeed. They are successful people and
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  they still have doubts and fears.
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  So I think that it is inspiring to me because yeah, they do a
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  lot of amazing things, but what while they are in the comfort
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  zone out of it, they are. They're just like us, and I
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  think that's a good reminder. I.
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  Love that that's a lesson you've learned because that is called
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  humanization, right? That no matter where you are in
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  this life, you know what? We still wear our pants the same
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  way. We still have to figure out what
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  to cook for dinner that night. I I love that.
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  That's a that's really cool. It's a great reminder.
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  All right, last two questions here.
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  Where can listeners find the podcast?
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  Meaning, are you on YouTube? Maybe you're possibly on the
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  most popular 1 Apple and Spotify, things like that.
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  But where? Where can we find the podcast?
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  Where we listen to podcasts on YouTube as well, but it's just
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  audio because I don't have time for yeah, I just uploaded as
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  audio on YouTube but otherwise, yeah, I've already listened to
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  podcasts. It's just audio.
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  But if you want to see clips from the from the podcast, you
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  can find it on Instagram and Facebook and X and but it's just
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  clips. Perfect.
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  And if we we just search the name of the podcast that'll pop
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  up on all those places platforms.
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  Perfect. Awesome.
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  Well, you mentioned you are a podcast listener yourself.
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  I'd like to know what is your favorite podcast to listen to
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  that's not track related and and not your own podcast?
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  What? What's kind of like at the top
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  of your listen list right now? I listen to a lot of podcasts to
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  improve my language skills. So I listen to podcast in seven
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  languages. And so it's often it's track
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  related, but not often, not all, all the time.
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  It could be like there's an Italian podcast about the US.
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  Actually it's in Italian, but it's about the US.
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  It could be anything. You know, I I love podcasts
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  because it's you can listen to podcasts when while doing
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  something else And but I listen to a lot of podcasts that are
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  track related, if not track related, I might say in English,
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  the ritual podcast, but I there's no single podcast that I
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  have listened to every single episode.
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  I just you should look at my feet.
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  There are so many podcasts I can't possibly listen to every
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  single episode, but I just tear pick what I think might be
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  interesting. Very cool.
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  I love that. All right, here's my challenge
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  to you guys that are listening right now.
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  As you can see, we're getting close.
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  I actually kind of have a bonus of a bonus coming up that I
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  didn't tell Mathilde until I kind of thought about it halfway
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  through. So I'm going to challenge her in
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  a second. But right now my challenge to
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  you is whatever podcast app you're using right now to listen
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  to this show right now, hit pause on this show because we're
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  we're we're getting close to none and search in search
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  athletics. Well, look at the title of the
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  podcast, because I don't want to mispronounce it.
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  And then you go search the wrong spelling of it.
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  But go look at that. Go search the name of the
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  podcast that'll show you the show.
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  Here's my recommendation. Here's kind of the way I think
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  about new shows is 1 is I go look at what she talked about
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  her most popular, her most favorite episodes.
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  Go, go find that one. Go find one of those athletes
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  and coaches that she talked about.
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  If if she liked it and it's the most popular, that may be a good
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  place to kind of figure out if this is a good show for you.
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  And then listen to the latest episode as well, cuz that'll
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  kind of give you the most up to So actually having just the
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  audio called the kind of a large audiogram, if you will, is
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  wildly, wildly popular. So you may be the type of person
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  who likes to have YouTube up on their desktop while they're
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  working and having that audio playing and you don't have to
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  worry about missing any video. So go check that out right now.
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  Highly encourage you to hit the subscribe button.
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  That'll let you know when the next episodes drop and you'll
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  always be on top of everything. So that's my challenge.
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  You go check it out. Now, Mathilde, I've got a
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  challenge for you. I kind of thought about this
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  during the intro. How many languages do you speak?
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  This is a tricky question because it depends what you mean
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  by speak. How many languages do you speak
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  really well? I do interviews in four of them.
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  OK, so English obviously, right in French.
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  Spanish. Italian.
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  OK, let's take those four. You've already done one, you've
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  done the English. What I would like for you to do
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  is give me the 32nd version of your podcast, but in that
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  language. So we already did.
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  We did 15 minutes on English, so we're good there.
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  I want to hear you explain your podcast in French and then pause
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  and tell me when you're switching to Spanish just 'cause
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  I'm a dummy so I won't even know.
• 19:10
  And then do it in Spanish and then do an Italian.
• 19:12
  I'd. I'd like for just to kind of
• 19:13
  have that out there in the world, please.
• 19:15
  The transition from Spanish to Britain will be interesting
• 19:18
  'cause these languages are always mix up, so French is fine
• 19:22
  'cause it's my main language. I will.
• 19:24
  I will have no clue if you mess up, just so you're aware.
• 19:27
  OK, French is fine. Don't smaple Matilde SU Francis
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  je en podcast multilanquis a pellete montrois gente vu
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  principal montes athlete megal Monde coach the decision the
• 19:43
  journalist ESA Don Francis pal moncatrolong le Francis long le
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  espanola Italian. Does it sound good to you?
• 19:52
  In. French.
• 19:52
  Yeah, yeah, it. Looks like you understand.
• 19:54
  You know, I caught a few words. I, you know, I, I told you
• 19:57
  before we hit record, I took 2 1/2 years.
• 19:58
  So I you'll have a a remembrance of things.
• 20:01
  I just can't speak it anymore. Yeah, OK.
• 20:03
  That was beautiful. Now Spanish.
• 20:11
  OK, I'm Sobreto and Frances in English and Espanola in
• 20:17
  Italiano. I'm going to regista sobreto con
• 20:21
  con athletes, managers, periodistas EO mas de dos anos
• 20:30
  at the end of the podcast in I love that all right and.
• 20:38
  Now Italian. I just.
• 20:43
  Got. To say you got to move over to
• 20:54
  the Italian part, right? Well, these two are similar, so
• 21:08
  it's. That's about it.
• 21:33
  Dude that's awesome, thank you for indulging me in that.
• 21:35
  That was purely selfish. I just wanted to hear the
• 21:38
  different languages. It's quite amazing.
• 21:40
  I'm still working on speaking English.
• 21:41
  So anybody who speaks more than one language is just, you know,
• 21:45
  I bow down. That is that is quite, quite
• 21:47
  amazing. All right, Mathil, thank you so
• 21:49
  much. Thank you for being here.
• 21:50
  If you guys are still here, you just heard it in four different
• 21:52
  languages. That's that's a first.
• 21:53
  We've never had that here on the podcast.
• 21:55
  Go check out the podcast and on YouTube or Apple, Spotify, every
• 21:59
  place again, whatever app you're using right now, go check it
• 22:02
  out, subscribe and hopefully it adds value to you and your
• 22:05
  listening library. Thanks everybody.
• 22:07
  Thank you.