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Patriots Unfiltered 10/1: Bills Preview, Vrabel Presser and Reaction, Locker Room/Team Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: We might have taken the best quarterback out of the
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  Speaker 2: bunch a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Paul, you're not telling me things that I haven't said
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  Speaker 3: in the past.
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  Speaker 4: You have all these different elements. You know, they're running
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  Speaker 4: like they ran counter bash in this.
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  Speaker 1: Game, which I say, you're gonna drop a counter back.
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  Speaker 4: They were not running counter bash in twenty eighteen with
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  Speaker 4: Tom Brady, Like that's not that's not that elements of
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  Speaker 4: the offense they.
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  Speaker 3: Ran some counters in some bashes, but they didn't run
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  Speaker 3: any counter bash.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Like Kyle Williams is not gonna he's not going
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  Speaker 4: to be digging out the nickel.
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  Speaker 3: Paul, power power what do you call me? Power slots?
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  Speaker 4: Power slot? Yeah, he was. He was a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more of that.
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  Speaker 3: And he has a name for every power spots.
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  Speaker 2: Power Freshing was the theme this offense set up and
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  Speaker 2: play very was very refreshing.
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  Speaker 3: I think I needed a Shower.
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  Speaker 2: Evan impersonation to set the scene. The Patriots are in
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  Speaker 2: fifty four personnel, five running backs, four.
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  Speaker 4: Tight ends doesn't even exist.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle william eves in motion and effectively acts as the
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  Speaker 2: backside sniffer.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Less Stadium, and uh boy, I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna uh do this show on the heels of
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  Speaker 2: that Catch twenty two episode.
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  Speaker 1: They were going hard.
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  Speaker 2: It was some epic episode you had there. I had
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  Speaker 2: to take every power.
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  Speaker 1: You look tired.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just.
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  Speaker 4: I really just kind of that was like I played
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  Speaker 4: in the game, you know. Yeah, it was great.
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  Speaker 2: God all right, but well, we're gonna try. It's Evan,
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  Speaker 2: it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Alex and Matt
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  Speaker 2: and the booth. And it's turned the page day here
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  Speaker 2: at Patriots Unfiltered. So we're gonna be turning mostly our
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  Speaker 2: attention to the Buffalo Bills Sunday night matchup. Can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have Mike Rabel At about twelve fifty five. It
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  Speaker 2: has become the Wednesday. Custom Yep. Here, there's always something
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  Speaker 2: that comes out of that. So definitely worth going to live.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll do that when he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, like, what do we got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of breaking news right now?
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  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones has won the AFC Special Teams Player of
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  Speaker 5: the Week. This is the second time in four weeks
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots have won that award, with time in three
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  Speaker 5: weeks time three weeks with Antonio Gibson winning it down
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  Speaker 5: there in Miami for his kickoff return.
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  Speaker 1: So congratulations to Marcus Jones for this big day.
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy Springer up for a raise, Well, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about that, Okay, Well, but let's see how it looks
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  Speaker 2: in December.
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  Speaker 3: First, Okay, can go a game without two penalties?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, but no, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: Look, they're a little bit up and down, but overall
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  Speaker 5: I think they've been they've been pretty good, and they've
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  Speaker 5: gotten a.
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  Speaker 3: Lift from the return.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I I'd like to see borog Alice, you know, continue
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  Speaker 5: to make his kicks and he'll be challenged this week
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  Speaker 5: up in Buffalo for him, probably a little bit of yeah, check.
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  Speaker 1: The weather, yeah, check the weather real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's but the weather is for Sunday night. Orchard Park. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now Orchard Park. Don't do Buffalo. Okay, do Orchard Park
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  Speaker 2: because that's very I got you.
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  Speaker 1: I got you, yeah, because you got the it's coming
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  Speaker 1: off the lake right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so is Buffalo, but it's a little bit for
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  Speaker 2: I think Orchard Park's a little bit further in.
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  Speaker 3: Oh bright, no getting lake effects, no worries.
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  Speaker 1: Gorgeous, gorgeous, just you know.
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  Speaker 4: Middle windy, windy, little windy. Uh let's it's always windy
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  Speaker 4: and check the wind.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't look too bad. Actually I'm three to seven
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  Speaker 1: miles per hour, but it does, say gus up to nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Their new stadium is not going to have They're actually
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  Speaker 4: designing it to not have win be a factor in
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  Speaker 4: the new Bills Stadium, which I think is surprising because
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's always been even obviously the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: one game is the big one, but it's all there's
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  Speaker 4: always been wind impacted games.
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  Speaker 1: Was that a nine game?
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  Speaker 6: Was that?
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  Speaker 1: Or was it a castle game?
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  Speaker 5: Castle right, where like the uprights like sideways were literally
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  Speaker 5: taking left and right turn.
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  Speaker 3: The heat benches on the sideline were blowing onto the game.
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  Speaker 3: It was that was significant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course we had that win game with
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  Speaker 2: Mac Jones where I think BZ or one of the
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  Speaker 2: networks had to cancel their pregame show or bring it
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else because the like pulse of the chairs that
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  Speaker 2: they were sitting on were blowing onto the field and
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  Speaker 2: you just couldn't you couldn't do a pregame show from
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  Speaker 2: the field. It was so windy. It would never stop.
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  Speaker 3: Bust stop, stop me.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was that was devastating lead bad weather.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, so yep. A lot of miss kicks in Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't look like too much of a
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  Speaker 1: factor this week, hopefully.
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  Speaker 5: But I mean, just diving in the Bills we touched
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  Speaker 5: a little bit on yesterday, I mean, just what an
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  Speaker 5: impressive team. So many little stat nuggets here as you
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  Speaker 5: start to dig into what they do and where their
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  Speaker 5: rankings are and all that kind of stuff. But just
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Josh Allen is putting together another
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  Speaker 5: MVP type season right now. I mean, and you just
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  Speaker 5: watch him, and he's playing with all the confidence in
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  Speaker 5: the world. Really respect how they've put their team together.
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  Speaker 5: They had digs there, they got away from that iteration
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  Speaker 5: and now this one is, you know, starting to really
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  Speaker 5: really produce for them, so a lot of problems. Watched
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of last year's game, which I recalled
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  Speaker 5: i think one playoff when they went up there December
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  Speaker 5: with Drake May throwing that touchdown past the booty. You
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  Speaker 5: probably remember that one, Paul, right, That's about all I
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  Speaker 5: remember from that game.
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  Speaker 4: Which they had fourteen to nothing lead in that gay yah.
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  Speaker 5: They had a fourteen to nothing lead but some turnover
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  Speaker 5: and uh but I found that a little bit encouraging
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  Speaker 5: at least that you know, you look back in retrospect,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm sure I probably said it.
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  Speaker 1: I say it all the time.
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  Speaker 5: It's great to just get the kid experience on the
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  Speaker 5: road in a stadium where he's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to have to play.
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  Speaker 5: So you've already played there when it's freezing and tough conditions.
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  Speaker 5: Now he's going to get a chance to go back
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  Speaker 5: up there, and I think you should have a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of confidence.
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  Speaker 1: There was you know, Romandre fumble.
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  Speaker 5: There was also a later roal behind the line of
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  Speaker 5: scrimmage they recovered in the end zone for a touchdown,
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  Speaker 5: and that's how Buffalo kind of comayah. But one of
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  Speaker 5: those games I would say where it didn't seem like
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  Speaker 5: Buffalo was too excited or too interested in playing the
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  Speaker 5: three and eleven Patriots. It was the eleven and three
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  Speaker 5: Bills versus three and eleven Patriots, and Patriots came out
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  Speaker 5: to a lead, but the Bills do what they do.
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  Speaker 5: They just kept chipping it away. James Cook had a
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  Speaker 5: long touchdown run. So I'm talking about this game as
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  Speaker 5: if it was the first time I ever saw it,
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  Speaker 5: and that's kind of what it felt like, because they
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  Speaker 5: all play together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, don't they.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like the last couple of years, like these games.
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  Speaker 3: This is I was reading Mike Giardi today on the
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  Speaker 3: Boston Sports Journal and he just not in depth at
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  Speaker 3: all about this Buffalo game, but saying it's the biggest
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  Speaker 3: game that the Patriots have probably had in a couple
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  Speaker 3: of seasons. And depending on what game you want to identify,
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  Speaker 3: you probably go back to, like he went back to
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  Speaker 3: Thanksgiving in Minnesota. That was it twenty two? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: when they Henry Yes, yeah, the contested touchdown that the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots got screwed on that call at the goal line,
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  Speaker 3: no surprise. Fred remembers when they get screwed. I remember that,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, that you know, that was a game that
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  Speaker 3: sort of, you know, had the Patriots won that game,
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  Speaker 3: maybe they you know, the stretch drive of that season
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  Speaker 3: unfolds a little bit differently. But they really haven't had
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  Speaker 3: any what you would call significant games since.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 5: That makes me feel better because that's exactly the thought
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  Speaker 5: process I was going through is watching this game and
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, how can I am I getting into the
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  Speaker 5: Paul Perillo territory? I like, you won't ask me about
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  Speaker 5: that three AFC championship against the Colts, Like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: can tell you all about it. But last year in
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  Speaker 5: December a game that you know didn't even happen like
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  Speaker 5: eight months ago, Like what was that?
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  Speaker 2: Again? What happened?
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  Speaker 5: But they're doing me right the struggles though, but right
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  Speaker 5: the struggle games where there's not a lot to be
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  Speaker 5: excited about or you know, coming out of it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think positive which are much different
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  Speaker 2: over the last few years. I try to erase them
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  Speaker 2: from my memory.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's part of the reason why we
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  Speaker 3: have a hard time is because they just they're all
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  Speaker 3: so irrelevant, right, you know, when you go four and
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  Speaker 3: thirteen consecutive seasons. None of the games were really you
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  Speaker 3: know right important?
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  Speaker 2: Yeap, So what do we want to tackle?
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  Speaker 5: Uh, like James Cook, because you can't tackle those guys.
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  Speaker 3: Get to know, you tackle an opportunity here though, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's been some some talk like they're two and two
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  Speaker 3: and they've made some strides to get out of the
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  Speaker 3: lower tier, you know, closer to one of the middle tiers. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So you have an opportunity in the National Spotlight Sunday night,
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  Speaker 3: and I know Mike Rabel's really excited about it. You
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  Speaker 3: know from some of the stuff that we put out.
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  Speaker 3: This is an opportunity to sort of take a step forward.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to be in the playoff chase,
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  Speaker 3: these are the kinds of games that you you need
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  Speaker 3: to win. These are the kinds of games you need
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  Speaker 3: to go on the road and and put your best
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  Speaker 3: foot forward. So, I what are you going to tackle this?
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  Speaker 3: They got to tackle an opportunity to say we're going
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  Speaker 3: to be one of those teams, not one of the
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  Speaker 3: teams that we've been the last couple of years, We're
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  Speaker 3: going to be one of the contenders.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to ask you guys about you know,
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  Speaker 4: I know the game was here, but the one game
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  Speaker 4: against the Rams in the regular season, because I feel
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  Speaker 4: like that game always gets talked about as like the
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  Speaker 4: night we knew that they were going to be show
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  Speaker 4: and they didn't win. They really like kind of backdoored
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  Speaker 4: into even making it a one score game. But they
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  Speaker 4: would hung with the Rams. They had a lead in
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  Speaker 4: the first half. Like, is that that game in my
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  Speaker 4: off base? Because I was that was true.
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  Speaker 2: So from a physicality standpoint, they definitely won that game.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't on the scoreboard obviously, but like you said,
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  Speaker 2: they hung with these the greatest show on turf.
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  Speaker 3: It was the opposite of what you would think, like
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  Speaker 3: the teams that's trying to pull the upsets and finish, no,
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  Speaker 3: But the team that's trying to pull the upset, you
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  Speaker 3: would think, well, they need everything to go right and
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  Speaker 3: the other team needs to play poorly. It was the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: The Patriots made all the mistakes, they turned the ball over,
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  Speaker 3: and they had only themselves to blame at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the game. And I don't know what else you're
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  Speaker 3: going to say, Well, now, in retrospect, apologize.
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  Speaker 2: In retrospect, we know now how talented that team actually
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  Speaker 2: was especially you know, I don't think we appreciated it
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  Speaker 2: at the time as we were coming off such a
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  Speaker 2: dismal season beforehand. And I don't think this team is
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  Speaker 2: quite as talented as that team was. That that team
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  Speaker 2: never lost again.
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  Speaker 1: Had the greatest quarterback of all time and two Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Famers on team.
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  Speaker 2: So even if you win this game, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: that we can approach what they did in O one,
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  Speaker 2: but it would definitely be a barometer of Okay, this team,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is finding out how to win.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that was why I brought it up. You know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously the caveat they're not going to win nine straight
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  Speaker 4: games and win the Super Bowl if they beat Buffalo.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody kind of knows that. But that game was a
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  Speaker 4: game that they started to believe, like, they started to
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  Speaker 4: believe that they had the talent and they had the
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  Speaker 4: ability to hang with the elite teams in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: So all I'm hoping for out of this game on
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  Speaker 4: Sunday Night is like, can you just hang with Buffalo
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  Speaker 4: and truly for four quarters? Like make the Bills sweat
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  Speaker 4: it out a little bit and really push them a
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  Speaker 4: little bit in this game. And I think you can
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  Speaker 4: have a moral moral victory in a game like this,
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  Speaker 4: where if you do that and now you go into
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  Speaker 4: the next week and you have New Orleans and Cleveland
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  Speaker 4: and Tennessee and some of the easier soft spots of
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  Speaker 4: the schedule, you you could really have some momentum even
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  Speaker 4: if you don't actually pull it off.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember, I don't know how many years it
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  Speaker 2: was ago. A couple of years ago, the whole moral
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  Speaker 2: victory became a topic and moral loss. People were being
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  Speaker 2: made fun of for saying, oh, that was a moral victory.
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  Speaker 2: If we say, if it comes true what Evan's saying,
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  Speaker 2: that they hang and it's a close game, but they
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  Speaker 2: end up losing, and it's called a moral victory, will
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  Speaker 2: it have the same Will people be made fun of
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  Speaker 2: this year for saying that.
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  Speaker 5: I would say, if they go toe to toe with
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  Speaker 5: them offensively and they put points up on the board
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  Speaker 5: and they you know, they score, Patriots score, they score
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  Speaker 5: paid you know that kind of game. You know, if
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  Speaker 5: the Bills are up big and then they have a
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  Speaker 5: couple fourth quarter garbage time drives to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Look closer than you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's like Paul always says, you got to see it,
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  Speaker 5: but I just don't want to set it up to
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  Speaker 5: be that. I think that this team has a chance
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  Speaker 5: to go up there and make some noise. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: from talking to ev speaking with some of the Buffalo guys,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't sound like Buffalo's going to take the Patriots lightly.
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  Speaker 5: I think that they have been you know, they're aware
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  Speaker 5: of Drake may playing pretty well right now. And I
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  Speaker 5: don't think that Buffalo is going to do what they
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  Speaker 5: did last week against the Saints as much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a divisional game.
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  Speaker 3: Might makes a good point about seeing how the game unfolds,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't love the you know, the sort of
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  Speaker 3: the idea of a moral victory. But I think you
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  Speaker 3: absolutely can have a situation like the one that Fred
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  Speaker 3: brought up in the postgame show in oh one that
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  Speaker 3: Evan just brought back. Yes, I'm sure that they didn't
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  Speaker 3: look at it as a moral victory at the time,
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  Speaker 3: but more importantly, what did it mean to the players
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  Speaker 3: and what did the players think to themselves, Like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is the best team in the league and they
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  Speaker 3: weren't any better than us. We can play with them.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that that does give you confidence. And
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  Speaker 3: where Fred and I started to talk about this on
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  Speaker 3: the postgame show. Is what you just mentioned, Ev, It's
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans, Tennessee, Cleveland. Well, if you do get the
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  Speaker 3: infusion of confidence that comes with going toe to toe
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  Speaker 3: with a buffalo, need to take care of business in
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  Speaker 3: those three games.
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  Speaker 2: Yah, it's not enough.
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  Speaker 3: You know, one thing is remembered so fondly because they
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  Speaker 3: want not just because not just because they won the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, but they then went on and won these
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  Speaker 3: games against teams that they should have beaten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the Patriots need to do the same thing in
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  Speaker 3: order to get a moral victory out of there.
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  Speaker 2: And you know when we talk about moral victory and
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  Speaker 2: how it will mean to the players after that Pittsburgh game,
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  Speaker 2: remember I said, it's the kind of I want to
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  Speaker 2: get out there again, you know, like we can do this.
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  Speaker 2: And I think if we have that moral victory against
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  Speaker 2: the Bills, players might feel that way like we should.
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  Speaker 2: We could have won that game. I can't wait till
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  Speaker 2: Sunday so we can go out against you know, another
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  Speaker 2: team and really show who we are.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I almost felt like that in this last game, even
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  Speaker 1: though it was you know, blow out.
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  Speaker 5: Like I think at halftime, I wanted to be like,
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  Speaker 5: can we just fast forward and keep this rolling to
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  Speaker 5: the next week, you know, like just keep saying some
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  Speaker 5: of these points for the Bills, save.
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  Speaker 1: It for the Bills.
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  Speaker 5: But it's a it's a big challenge, and I you
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  Speaker 5: know what, but I still give the Patriots of a
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  Speaker 5: punchers chance.
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  Speaker 1: It's the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, it's certainly not the It's not quite as overwhelming
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: as it's been in a couple of years where you
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: feel like you have some players like Williams and Barmore
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: who are gonna cause some problems. But I mean, Josh
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: Allen's the least pressured quarterback in the league. So you know,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of really interesting things about this.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: You think that's because teams are afraid to sell out
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: against him.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: And we were talking about this on catch twenty two.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: At the end of catch twenty two. One of the
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: things that I've been thinking about in terms of, you know,
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: defending the Bills offense, Teams are are just backing off
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: of this Bill's offense, and the Bills are just killing
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: them in yards after the catch, Like they're averaging seven
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: yards after the catch. Perceptions Number one in the league,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: So they're just racking up these exposive plays on catch
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: and run, dump off passes, screens, like because guys are
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: giving them eight yards of cushion, you know, before the
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: ball is even snapped. Because nobody wants to get into
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: playground football against Josh Allen where he's got man to
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: man coverage and everybody's back is to the quarterback and
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: he's just running around. But I get that that can
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: be risky. But at the same time, if you win
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: some rounds playing him that way, where you might get
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: some negative plays by sacking him, or you might get
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: a turnover to by him getting a little bit too
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: aggressive and trying to throw a ball that he really
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: shouldn't throw, then maybe you can steal some possessions that
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: way and give yourself a chance. These teams that are
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: backing off, like Allen's just dicing them up, like he's
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: literally just dicing them up underneath their run game is
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: incredibly efficient. Yeah, Like it's just not there's no resistance
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: and he's evolved so much that he's just taking profits,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Like he's not pushing it into windows. He shouldn't push
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: it into anymore. So it's risky, Like there's definitely kind
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: of like Week one, there could be some boom or
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: bust to it if they do get aggressive against him.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: But yeah, have Gonzo back, like you have the cornerbacks
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: on the outside to technically hang with them. I just
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: wonder if they try it a little bit in this
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: game because everybody else, you know, we were talking about
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: how kind of like the Dynasty Patriots, everybody would be
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: afraid and they would do stupid things, trying out smart
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: themselves to try to do things. And like, I feel
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: like this Bills team, everybody is just playing cover two,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Like we're all just let's get back, let's sit and
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: stare at Josh.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: So whatever the game plan is on defense this year
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: for the pay this week for the Patriots, is that
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Zach kor is that Rabel? Really?
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Probably it's probably collaboratory.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You know who says, you know what, we're going to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: be aggressible.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I think like you know, Scott Booker and Rabel
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: and they get together do the past game, and then
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Zach Kerr and maybe the defensive line coach they get
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: together do run game. Then they all come together and
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: they do a third down in red zone.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: And so it's like a collaborative who overall says this
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: is the style of defense, sets the tone and says, look,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: you know, this is how we want to play like you,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: using terms like aggressive and you know, and then the
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: assistant coaches go off, put the game, cling together, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: then I think varybel overseas and says, all right, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: like this, We're gonna, you know, have.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Put these blitzes in. You know, we got them with
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: stuff like this in the past, those kind of things.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: All right, my impression of it. But okay, yeah, just
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: one not on the inside.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: So do you not the coordinator though?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: No, But do you think that they might be better
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: suited because of the improvement up front to maybe be
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a little more aggressive.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: Yes, they have been.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I think you combine that with, as Evan said, your
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: two corners. I think that allows you to take more chances,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: or it should allow you to take more chance.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like duce just right off the stat
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen's the least pressured quarterback in the league. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's just because they're offensive line, which
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: is really good. But I don't think that that's just
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: because their offensive line is dominant. I think that's also
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: because everybody's just rushing four against him because they're terrified
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: to blitz them. Yeah, and I just I don't know
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: if that again, Like I think that, yeah, maybe you
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: could hold him to like thirty one if you play
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: that way, because they do have to go on longer drives.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: But they're just sucking the life out of teams.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: If I'm vayble, I'm saying to my team defensively, we're
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: not gonna tiptoe into this game. We're gonna we're gonna
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: knock down doors. But I wonder and if we start
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: getting burned, we'll make adjustments in the second half. But
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: we're gonna go out to disrupt this team and we're
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: gonna play really aggressive that first half.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Right, But I'm just wondering what the best way to
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: be aggressive is. If I know, the first four games
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: they haven't played a team like Buffalo, But you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: can Williams, Barmore and Landry Can those guys affect Josh
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Allen in this game and allow you to keep guys
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: back in coverage. It's not necessarily you don't have to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: back off, like you can be more aggressive in your coverage,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Like I think what Evan's saying about giving them a
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: little too much respect might be accurate, but some of
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: these teams might not be able to get the pressure
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: with four by playing with coverage. I think the Patriots
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: have shown at times, not consistently, but at times they
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: can get pressure with four. Yeah, but so can you
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: do that? That to me is very aggressive If you
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: can get after Josh Allen. Some teams don't.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: But see, I'm not just talking about when he drops back.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about loading the box early and trying to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: stop Cooks early and relying on single coverage behind that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't like that putting an extra guy
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: up there and saying we're going to try to force
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you into third and long.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I'm with you, Fred, like, I don't like that. No,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I think everybody else has played them called the way
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: that you want them to play, Like, that's how I.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Want to get after Josh Allen.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, but you can't get after him because if you
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: have everybody that's just dropping off into his own coverage
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: and staring at him like there's no pass rush.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Doesn't that to well? I mean, I get you don't
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: want to do a lot of man again, I get it,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing to me is like I
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: look at their offense and I look at their receivers,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: and I'm not blown away by the talent at wide receiver.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: So like you have these two corners that you pay
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of money to to go out there and
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: play man to man like let him eat, like you
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: get so Kean Coleman's gonna beat Carlton Davis, Like, I
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: don't think that now sheak Here's a problem, like Shaquires
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: is a different because of the way they use him
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: as a problem. But like I just I feel good
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: about their corners holding up against the Bills receivers.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I really do.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: But I don't see I don't think that I agree
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: with you on Coleman, but I think more of the
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: other guys than you do, and Kinkaid specifically, And I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that you can just ask everybody to
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: hold up and we're gonna put eight in the box
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: to make Like I just think that if you want
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: to do that, then they'll throw it on you. Yeah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I think most teams are like Evan said that, they
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: don't they they'll.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Use a creeper. Paul, No, you don't.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: You don't declare it so I think that James Cook
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: is really good good, but I think that that's what
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the other team is giving them because it doesn't allow
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: you to get blown out right away. Yeah, sure, it
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: takes longer. So I agree. I think Belichick has done
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: that kind of defense millions of times in the past
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: with great success.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: I told you here what you're saying, and there's definitely
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: a case for that strategy. I just when you come
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: out in too high against this team. They're killing teams
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: in the run game, and they're killing teams in the
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: short passing game. And Brady, their offensive coordinator, is really
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: good at scheming ways to get Khalil secure in space,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and they motioned him all over the place and he's
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: constantly moving where he's at.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: You have to make plays on defense. You can't rely
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: on them to make the mistake.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: That's this Bill's offense doesn't make mistakes anymore.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: You have tos. That's it right there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I I kind of I think I'm more
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: scared of the tight ends and Cook just because I
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: don't have a lot of you know, I'm still not
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: sure about the Patriots run defense.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And you know, I agree with what Evan's saying.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: I can easily see, Yeah, we took their receivers out
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: of it, but they just killed us with the tight
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: ends because we couldn't cover the tight ends.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, I agree that none of these guys
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: individually scare me.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But the group, right, damn, that's what's so good about
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: their team.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: And it's you know, it's almost I said to Evan,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I almost feel like they have like five
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: number twos, you know, like it's like, maybe that's overstating
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: at a tiny bit, but everybody can make plays when
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: they have to. Nobody individually is going to blow you away,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: and it's.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Just how do they approach it?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: And I just think it's fair to point out one
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: more thing about the Patriots defense. It's spin the dial
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: with coverages. Like I mean, they just especially early on,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: they play a lot of different stuff. So I you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: as much as we sit here and say they should
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: do this or that, I have a feeling that it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: going to be a lot of stuff that they're going
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: to try to throw at him and try to you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: every single coverage that there is, they're going to probably
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: try to run it at one point or another.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: But what's finding that that winning game plan. Can you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: stop the run with those four guys?
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's always appealing to me, being able to
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: just worry about the quarterback and the and the run
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: with the front four and the linebackers. But I just
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: I also, you know a couple of others I was
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: going through next Gen. You know, you come across like
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: random stats, but you know they they're first in the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: league and inbreakers and second in slants.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: So it's.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: In the inside where the Patriots have had some trouble there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: So you know, it's just it's it's kind of pick
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: your poison and how do.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You want to lose the game or how do you
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: want to win the game.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'd much rather lose the game the
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Dalton Kincaid. Yeah, if Dalton Kinkaid and Jackson Hawes and
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Dawson Knox beat you, then I think you as a Patriots,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: you have to tip your cap and say that was
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: what we had to give you, Like, are you going
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: to give him cooking and chakir or are you going
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: to give him?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I just feel like Josh Allen's beating you.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I guess I look at it. I let Josh I
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: have my choice of letting Josh Allen beat me, James
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Cook beat me, I'll let James Cook be Yeah, that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Seems like that's the choice teams are primarily making.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: But even when they're doing it both way, yes, I mean,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: that's why they're trying to in both categories.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: So it just you know that that's my whole thing.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I know, I probably think a little less of kinkaid
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: than than other people do. Just not my not my
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: flavor of tight end. You know, the the jumbo receivers
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: just don't do it for me like like it does
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: for other people. But at the same time, it if
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: that's if he ends up having a big game against
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: them and that's the reason why they lose, Like at
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: least he went into the game and you took away
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: their two best options, which are Shakiir and Cook.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it almost might be oversimplifying it, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: just like instead of all this tackle like to tackle
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: like that to me is a huge first step.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Like what we were talking about yesterday, do you spy
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen? And I was like, it's great that you
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: had someone that knew he was going to run, because
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: that's someone get him onto the ground because that's hard.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, jack jacket and arbas says to play an effective,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: aggressive defensive game against the Bills, the Patriots should take
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the approach the Lions took against Lamar Jackson. Rush aggressively
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: upfield on the edges. This will force Josh Allen to
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: move up in the pocket. Put a spy on Allen,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and have the defensive tackles play with gap discipline. When
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Allen moves up in the pocket, the spy and the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: defensive tackles tackle him. So he does sounds easy.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: He does run through the middle a lot, but he
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: when he goes, he's more dangerous when he extends to throw,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: and he does extend to throw out of the back
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of the pocket. So to Jackson point, like you have
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: to kind of pick your poison of like is he
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: going to run right through the gut of the defense
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: or do you want him to get on the edge
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and start extending plays and looking for receivers down the field.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: So he's you know, those are the kind of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: differences like when you run, when you cheat and kind
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: of have him go through the middle of the pocket.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: He's not gonna throw like he's gonna take off. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: it depends on what you want to do. I mean,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: New Orleans tried to do what Jack is saying and
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: then he ran for thirty freaking yards right up the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: middle of the field and like like three tackles doing it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: So it's he's he's good. Like a tough matchup.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Dave wants to know, is this the game to bring
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: back the Longhorn package. They didn't run that last school.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: They ran it with school last year too. I don't
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: know if he's playing defense this year, but that was.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: What they and I would say, like that's the reason
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: why they win. I gonna Paul is going to just
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: be I would love that show to watch tomorrow.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Do we now see a return of the blueberry uniforms
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: because of the success last week?
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Well, the Bills are wearing their ice whites, right, so
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: what they go good?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I mean I like the contrast between all blue and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: all bloy, so.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: All blue and right for it?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And but you know that that that a whole
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: defensive thing that the Lions had, and they did they
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: because I watched a good chunk of that game, and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: they did a good job of sort of making life
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: tough on Lamar Jackson. They still give up thirty, right, like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: it's just hard to take these offenses, and even when
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: you make them play left handed, they still find a
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: way because they're just so talented.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I think they're different animals.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: What's fun.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: They had a very different offense, yes, very quarterback, but
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: really the Ravens lost that game because of another fumble. Yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I mean Derrick Henry. That was his third fumble in
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: three games.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I've just been kind of savoring this game because there's
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: not a lot of like elite opponents this year on
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the schedule, and to have an opponent like this where
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: it's just every stat you look through or everything, it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: just like, oh boy, oh boy, you know everything they
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: do well right now, and the Patriots got to figure
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: out a way to you know, just I think it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: about how the game unfolds.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Even watching that game last year, you know, Drake HiT's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a big play.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: They you know, they make a couple of plays early
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: and suddenly it's kind of a close game. Now, Buffalo
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: pulled away at the end, but look those Patriots last
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: year and again they were three wins, so Buffalo might
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: not have been an amp for the game as they
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: will be this week. But you know, you just you
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: never know you're going with these game plans, like you're
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: playing in a bubble, and at the end of the day,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: a couple of big plays early on changes the complexion
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: of the game. You're ready to go out of the
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: gate for the first time kind of the season.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be a really possible from a betting
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: spot standpoint, is it better? Is it a better spot
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots to be going up against a four
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and zero team that's kind of cruising or a team
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that's two and two and feels that they're underachieving and
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they're hungry.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's always an appeal to me, to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the to the young, hungry team that has something to prove.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about like if the Bills came into
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: this game.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: At feel much better, if they were two and two, Yeah,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: then they probably had some weaknesses that you can actually
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: talk about it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: They also like last week was a very when I
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: was talking to the Bills guys last night, like it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: a very Dynasty Patriot thing. They won thirty one to nineteen,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: but nobody thought they played well in the game, right,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: So I don't think that the Bills are coming into
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: this game like they just won fifty to eleven Miami. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: so they they're they're the things that they were, you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: a little bit worried about first of all, which I
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: was deuced was saying earlier. They will not say Drake
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: May's name. They are so afraid that the Patriots have
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: a quarterback again that they were like, let's talk about him.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: And I was like, we talk, who are we talking about?
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: And they were talking about Drake. So they're terrified that
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Drake May is good?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Are these people you're talking?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, they like literally just like people that
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: work for the Bills.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: No, no, oh no, but literally like he was volved
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: by that, Like they literally did not want to say
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: his name.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Then their run defense, the Bills run defense has been
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: leaky to start the season.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Like six yards of coach.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's yeah, so you so like to you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: if you were looking for a weakness on the team,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: it's their run defense. And they've been down a couple
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: guys on defense all over Matt Milano. We'll see if
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: those guys practice this week. But if the Patriots you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: can attack that, we you know, if there is a
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: weakness to attack, it's that they don't stop.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: They're like every time we play the Bills, Matt Milano has.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Something always heard.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is period, you know, one one little interesting nugget.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: I thought maybe only haven't I'll find this interesting. But
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: you know, last year, I remember them playing like they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: just all Nickel team all the time, and now they're
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: they've really jumped in base like they're playing a lot
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: more base now, from four percent to twenty.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that is.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: It's the most since like early on in mcdermot's coaching
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: tenure with the Bills. I think it was like eighteen
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: or nineteen was the last time they played this much
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: base defense. And they're doing that without Milana, who was
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: like their best linebacker.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Well, you think they'd be better at run defense if
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they're playing that, you know, instead of the Nickels.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: So I'd assume that's why they're playing so much bass,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: because they can't stop the run.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well I'm I mean Sunday, and I can't get
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: here fast enough, right.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: No, I that's there's only you know, Look, I always
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: would get up for Patriots games, but you know, when
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: you're going on the road against the Big Boss, of
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: the AFC East.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Call it what it is.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: It's, you know, a young team trying to prove themselves.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: We've kind of been in the spot before. I mean
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Paul talked about the last big game. I mean I
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: remember twenty twenty one being a big game before it
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: turned into you know, win nonsense, like then it was,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: but the Patriots were streaking at that point. I mean
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: that was the height of the Mac Jones, Bill Belichick.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: I mean really that was that was kind of the
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: last week of the bill bis season. Yeah, that those
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: games down the stretch were all big games. But it's
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: been a while.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: You know, if the Bills come up short again this year,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: is Ara McDermott in trouble?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So when when when? Uh, when Evan was talking about
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: they won't say May's name, I was immediately thinking Ara McDermott,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Like this was like an edict, we don't like. That's
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: why I was like radio talking to like the Yeah,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I lost interest.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I really I really enjoy them. They're they're a great time.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: We do it every year and they're they're they're great
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: cover one if you want, like the Bill's perspective.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I haven't never met a phone interview. We didn't like.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I just I love those I've been doing it every
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: year with them since eighteen nineteen.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I thought this was teed up for Freddy, like Hiray
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: mcdermot's not allowing anyone to say, right, this is.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Great, But listen, you are a Bill if you are
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the Bills fans, you know you've finally now taken over
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the AFC East. But could there be this emerging quarterback
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: on the Patriots where the pressure is even greater to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: win now because pretty soon it's going to get competitive again.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: That's right there.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Patriots they hear the footsteps honestly, like they legitimately.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Do, like who's hearing Bill's boys, Hill's mafia?
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: They hear the propaganda?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Are they just being nice to you?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Fred I'm telling you we started the conversation, I know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: but he wouldn't say his name, and I was like, who,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: I don't even know you're asking me a question. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: don't even know who you're talking about. And they were
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: talking about Drake. They they're genuinely work.
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: Did you guys ever feel embarrassing if you ask you
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: guys ever feel like that with the Patriots with like
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: a Mark Sanchez or Ryan Tannehill or when you know,
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: we're saying like, oh, that looks like the Jets or
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: the back when the Patriots had Tom Brady, did you
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: ever feel like, say, I'm not going to say the.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Name Josh, I would get annoyed to Patrick Mahone.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Eventually said his name.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: All right, It's just embarrassing that that would ever come up.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, unless it was like a Freddy thing with
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Aray McDermott, I was.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I was all in for that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I thought this was a real thing.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: But you thought that the head coach of the Buffalo
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Bills wouldn't say Drake May's name.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: The head coach of the New England Patriots wouldn't say
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: his own quarterbacks for like a year and a That's
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: a very different person.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But to your point, like when Pennington was schedule, it
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't that he was going to be like this great,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: but he would annoy me. We should be beating this guy,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, noodlelarm Sanchez a little bit. I mean, I mean,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Sanchez played the game of his life in that twenty
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: ten playoffs.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: But really did play. I never have to give him.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: I never felt like they got a franchise quarter They
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: were good team, they were all coach, had a great defense,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: they had some weapons around him l T at the end.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: But I never felt Mark Sanchez was like, oh, let's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: face it, since.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: One what quarterback in the AFC East have you said,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: oh my god, this guy's great, Josh, Josh Allen besides Josh.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Against the Patriots too up until you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Know you're like, we should be we should be that bad.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: You know, Pennington was probably the best in the Brady era.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You know, you could make an argument for my guy.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: But so that's how bad the quarterbacks were, right, try
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Jay Fiedler maybe, yeah, I mean right, they just there
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of I means, yeah, Pennington is probably
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the answer to that question.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Tua is literally in the conversation, and I don't think
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: anybody thinks much of Tua.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but even Pennington, Like you just look at it
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: the way he threw the ball, and you're like, this guy,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: yeah he might beat you once.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Or twice, especially after that surgery. Yeah, like he could
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: throw it all.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: How great is it though, that you know deduce his point?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Like we're talking about this game and like really analyzing
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: the game of like like the matchups and the strengths
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: and weaknesses and like it's fun. Just like we haven't
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: been able to do this in probably two years.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Like I said to Freddy, you just now it's like
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I watched a baseball game last night. I was all
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: jacked up. It looks like it was an actual baseball
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: game for the first time in like three years.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I've enjoyed games, but you know, playoffs.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: He took that as to me being like kind of
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: like you with the base which is totally not true.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I just really enjoyed the game.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You haven't enjoyed games this year.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I don't really watch a lot of regular season because
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: this is playoff games and.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: It's difference between but every pitch I watched a lot of.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I watched more Red Sox this year than a lot.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Not a lot, but I've caught a couple of games.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That was a cool game.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Last night I was watching, I was stressed out, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I was like, I was and it's so cool how
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: it comes. Like I just I love playoff baseball and
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: how tense every single pitches. It's just the tension and
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: now that the game moves faster, it's I mean, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: kind of appreciate it because it's not as much of
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: a slow burn. But I I'm like, why does this happen?
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Like I never felt like even when I was watching
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Red Sox during the season, I'd.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Be like, oh, that's a great win.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: That oh thats tough loss. You know, never felt it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: But last night, I'm like, I think there's a handful
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: of games during the season that you know, you get
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: like a Raphael to walk off like it was.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I actually texted Click.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I actually texted Freddy one night, the one against Tampa
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Bay at Fenway, like, yeah, that was a little bit
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: different than the one sixty two. It was a handful
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: of those games. But this is when it matters.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: This is when it mappens.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: But I just think you just see Red Sox y's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: actually jerseys, and I'm.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Like, live, oh yeah we do.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: We probably watch forty to fifty Red Sox games a year.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, I mean I mean we we are
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: not lying. Freddy probably watched like one hundred and fifty.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean if.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: It if it's Monday through Friday and they're on, that's
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: my summer friend.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, see that's what I do. It's just kind of on.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: But I'm not I'm not glue. Last night I watched
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: pretty much every pitch.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, but no, we we watch pretty religiously.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Last night, Yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Good, watched the game and we eat jelly.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of it's kind of feeling like a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: little throwback. We're watching some Yankees playoff baseball.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: The Patriots got a big game against the Bills.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, it's almost it's a little revival here.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: We're actually talking about matchups and as if they matter,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: you know, whereas like, jeez, I don't know how they're
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: going to do this. I don't think they have a
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: shot to do that. No, I think that everybody looks
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: at Drake May right now and the offense and the
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: way the offense has played the last three weeks. You know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: say for the turnover fest in Pittsburgh in the middle,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: can they get in a shootout and win it? Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and you go, Mano Amano with one of the best,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: if not the best.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: We're talking about that raft.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Dave wants to know, would you rather win Sunday against
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Buffalo or beat Buffalo at home? Later?
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Here, give me the game this week.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: If I had to choose one or the other, Like
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: you could make an argument that one at the end
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: of the year would be more important. But I don't
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: know what Buffalo will be playing. When how late do
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: they play Buffalo.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's the third to last week or.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Second to last and Dolphins Jets, So I know, I don't.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I think I would rather win this one.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we too, just went on the road under Drake.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I would love to.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Watch Bill's Mafia walking out of that stadium. Oh yeah,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: when we're going down to the to the you'll have
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: to do that too, So that sneaky. That is fantastic
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: because that press box and that whole setup. They have
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: to go inside and back outside and then down and
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: then it's it's terrible.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Fourth to last.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: So they play the Giants on Monday Night football and
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: then a little short week here.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a chance that it won't matter that
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: much for Buffalo. I mean it will matter. I mean,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine they have like the number one seed
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: if they're in play for that blocked up four weeks.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: But I'll take this one. I would to the significance
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: of beating them on the road. I mean, I guess
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: you can wait and see how they play, but I
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: gotta think they're going to happen after two kind of
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: lackluster performances, Buffalo has got to have the attention, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: where it should be. It's not like you're sneaking up
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: on them.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Not a mouse track game.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: I shouldn't I shouldn't be Generally, I feel like the
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: offense will will do some good things. I just I
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: feel I'm feeling good about the offense right now.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I just I to me, the Patriots defense is just
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a huge wild card in this game.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: And there's really no result against them with Josh Allen
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: that that would surprise me. Maybe just that they completely
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: shut Josh Allen down. But you know, there's a chance
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: that it's you know, Swiss cheese for for quite a
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: few drives, that they're going up and downfield.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: That's why I wonder if you just play the turnover game. Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: but I don't think you're going to stop them in
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: conventional offense, like we'll get them, yeah, and so like
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: it just I just wonder if you try to steal
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: some possessions in this game with pressure.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, obviously take a win however it
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: can come. But I can I hope that if they win,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: so the hypothetical here is a win no matter what. Okay,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: if they win, I hope it's not turnover related. Yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want any yah butts.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how else they're gonna win, to
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: be honest with you, I mean.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: So you know, right, so that's what. That's what. Well,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: you know, they turned it over three times, and it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: very very character for the Bills. They haven't turned it over,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: you know, all year. They haven't. They didn't really turn
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: it over last year either.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Yea.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: They had a long stretch without a turnover, right, they
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: rival Kansas City's record.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I just wonder it's not even so much about turnovers,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: but like negative plays like can you get a sack
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: on first down?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: No, that's different.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: That puts them off schedule.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: That's not a yeah, but right, but they got sacked.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: You have they sacked them. That's that's because if you
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: just like.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Again, like if you let them stay on scheduled, then
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: you're not they're going to If the turnovers.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Are two picks by Gonzo, that's why you got them.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I would rather I mean, my hypothetical is a win.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: The meta what Okay, Okay, I would rather have it
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: be no no picks by anybody and just you you
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: lined up and beat them.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: But that's a play that you made. Maybe maybe it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: not like just reaching out and dropping the ball on
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: a run. It's like your best quarterback did what he's
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: supposed to do.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: What if you like zero blitz him and he ends
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: up chucking one up and then Gonzo just picks it off.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: That's what I like it happen.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I just feel like that's a force turnover.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: You kind of have to.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking. I'm not going to be happy if
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: they win.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Because they're coming up with the reasons now where you're
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: gonna have the yeah butt.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, but that's always a yeah. But I mean
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: totally right.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: If they go to Buffalo and win, that's they went
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: to Buffalo and well no, yeah, but okay, I'm saying, Okay,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: if I had my choice, I would rather have it
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: be they just lined up and they were better, Yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: as opposed to the other team didn't play.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: As I have my choice, Buffalo turns it over ten
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: times and we score fifty points? Do you think my choice?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You think?
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: But after I think Pittsburgh would have rather have won
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the game. Without reminder, receiveing some fumbling twice.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think they give it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Damn, I understand that. I said, what do you think
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: they would rather have won it? Because they were better?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I think they're better, but they're not.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I think I think Pepper's thinks I put my helmet
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: on the ball and I made them fumble.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I just I sorry to derail this. No, I was
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: just something haven't said.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I actually no, I'd be honest.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: And this might be a little circumstantial too.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: But like watching the Patriots game last week, I felt
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: like so much of their success depend on early down
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: success on defense, So like negative plays on first and
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: second down, like when they weren't getting that use the
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: example that first drive where they had two second downs
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: and they were second and ones. Otherwise it was just
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: first down, first down, first down, first out score. You know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: getting that success on those early downs, and to Evi's point,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: being aggressive on early downs and trying to force the
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: issue with negative plays. I think that's something the Patriots
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: defense might really need to rely on, getting those success
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: on early downs. I like them on third down, but
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: you can see when they when teams get going on
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: first and second down and you.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Get them into third and long, Like, how many third
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: and longs can you get them into in this game?
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I think is gonna defensively that's going to ultimately decide
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 43:10
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  Speaker 2: get to the phones. See what you have to say.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: We'll go to Anthony and Seattle first. What's up, Anthony?
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: Hey, what's up? People?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Hey?
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: Hi?
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: So I agree with with you guys. I'd rather have
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: this game than the later game for something about eating
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: them on Sunday night. Football in front of America Another
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: good game. Hey, uh, this game definitely feels more a
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: little butther bit butther but and less David versus Goliath.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: I think this is the lost we had coming in
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: in a long time, so I'm excited for it. I'm
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: definitely you know, Monday, I was really like miling here
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: to hear, like, oh man, it feels really nice to
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: have the player of the week quarterback that everybody's talking about.
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: When I showed the graphic and the Sunday night game,
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: They're showing Drake May and Top Allen, and I'm like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: oh man, it's so nice to have our quarterbacks to
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: put that graphic as your market player, not for man
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Great Stevenson or Bill.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Belichick, not for me, Bill Belichick against t J.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Watt, right exactly, remember I remember, yeah, yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: But hey, listen to the media is starting to worry
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: me a little bit to there. As the week goes on,
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: they can sinue to talk about Man. I'm like, all right,
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: let let it breath a little bit. But I got
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: just two quick people, I'll hang out one hit U
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: my one. My one pushback on the moral victory is, uh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: there's definitely a moral victory qualifier game, except for if
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: we like if we freaking had them and it was
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: like and we just like the fall like fourth and
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: one and we fall start, or we run the play
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: and there was a legal man and eligible man like
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: something like that, and I'm gonna be like, oh that,
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. But other than that, if
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: we just go to toe loose close, uh, you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: absolutely moral victory. And lastly, if we go down there
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: and win and Drake May plays good, Here's what I'm
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: gonna do. I'mnall in Tuesday. We'll wait on hold. You
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: gotta answer my call. I'm just gonna say we are
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: all right.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: There you go. Thanks Anthony, We got our guy. Where
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: you hear from Williams in Montreal? Hello William? Well sure,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: William bye.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: Yes, if Drake May goes down in Buffalo and out plays,
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: Josh Allen would every time to put Drake May and
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: the and the conversation.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I still think it's a little too early. We had
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: that question last week as well. I think yesterday or
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: yesterday we had it. Yeah, I still think it's a
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: little early for MVP talk for Drake May. But let's
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: if the if the Patriots start peeling off wins after this. Yeah,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it's going to be because Drake May is playing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Well why on this topic.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if they win the game and he outduels Josh
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Allen and then that leads to a battle for the
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: AFC East title, then absolutely.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: But right now the Patriots are two and two. Yeah,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: the quarterback of a two and two team is probably
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: not in the m v.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: P race, right And I'd say you need to see
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: a game where the quarterback will the team to victory
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: on his back to be an m v P.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I can't believe we're talking like it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: week four.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you why.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: And it's kind of funny, you know, it's not the callers.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: We're so anti fun everybody's say we're thirsty.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: For it is and that's why it's not just the caller.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's not six seven.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Uh what that means.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: The funny thing is is that like every time you
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: go on Twitter, someone's found a new stat to tell
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: you how good Drake's been, you know, like that's like
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: they get more and more minute and.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Like someone tweeted us a stat that was absolute fabrication. Really,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: someone tweeted us something that said that that he was
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: leading the league in yards and I was like, I
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: had no idea and I will looked he's like sixth.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not the fact that he's six I mean,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: I love I love me some good Drake stats.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I love, you know, but like it's four games. Let's
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: not get too ahead of ourselves.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: We're all very excited ahead of you, you know.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, look and I am a little bit ahead
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: of myself just with how comfortable he looks. I mean,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: that's just to me, has been promising from maybe the
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: first OTA practice we watched him, where it was like, wow,
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: he looks like he's pretty comfortable right now, and that's continued.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: And that's positive, but that's watch season stats are crazy though,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Like the fact that they're the third best team in
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: the league in past EPA right now is insane. Like
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: they were worlds away from that last year. And I
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: get it. It's four games. It's a small sample size,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: but it's also not like one game anymore.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That's a quarter of the season, right you started talking.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I'm more with you though, Like I just look at
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: him and I see how much different he looks to me,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And again I don't have anything to back up. I
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: don't have. It's just anecdotal. I think he looks more
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: confident and comfortable. I don't see him running around, you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: sort of haphazardly like I did a line like I
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: did at times in the summer. No, it's you're throwing
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the ball twenty times instead of forty five. I saw
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: him in week one. I saw him running around halp
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: hazardly in week one. I haven't seen it the last
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: three weeks. I think that they've sort of figured out,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to give Evans boy Josh a lot
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: of credit. So I just feel like I look.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: At the guy.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I've always been a believer in Drake May. That's why
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I wanted him over The only one I said at
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: the beginning of all of this that I would have
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: taken was Caleb Waits because I think he's more talented.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I stuck by that even after Daydon Daniels was an
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: MVP candidate and winning twelve games last year and going
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: to championship. I still would take Drake May over him.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: There is all right, one more call then. I think
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Vrabel's going to be coming up soon, so we might
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: have to cut in for that. Mike's in Puerto Rico
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: what's up, Mike, Mike.
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: Mike's everybody doing today?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Good Show's fine, but I'm I'm super excited.
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: I didn't get to listen yesterday, so I don't know
• 49:23
  Speaker 10: if Evan had a particular take on bad Bunny being
• 49:27
  Speaker 10: at the Super Bowl. But I'm gonna tell you right now,
• 49:29
  Speaker 10: if the Pagots make it with that Bunny at the
• 49:32
  Speaker 10: halftime show, I am definitely gonna make it over there.
• 49:34
  Speaker 10: It's fifty minutes from my house. I even placed the
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: bed to cover the cost, so I'm going to make
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: it happen one way or another.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Sorry, there you go.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Smart. That is smart, Mike. I like it, good stuff.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: What odds did you get?
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: Actually?
• 49:48
  Speaker 10: I thought it fifty to one.
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: Fifty to one, yeah, okay, and to make the Super one,
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: so I put to get to the Super Bowl correct
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: the conference, So I put you on dollars soulfully.
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: That will turn out to be like ten thousand, and
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: that should be more than enough to get the season ticket.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, I love it, Mike. I love that. That's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: smart strategy, you know, because in other words, if they win,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I win, right, Well, that's how that's worked.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: But you know, you know what I mean, I actually
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: didn't know what you meant.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well thanks Mike thinks okay, okay, thanks
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: for calling it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: So he's from Puerto Rico, but he's not living improved
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Correct, So I guess the rabel's running a little late,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: a little late, that's okay. I know this is one
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: of Paul's favorite subjects email and says, MVP talk is
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy at this point. However, what's more likely is
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Steph Diggs getting Comeback Player of the Year. I mean,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: what do you think of that? That Paul coming back
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: from an injury.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I honestly do not put Comeback Player of the Year
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: on my radar at all. I have no idea what
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: it is why they have.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: It, Okay, but you know people have won it before
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and it's usually guys that had injuries.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Right, So sometimes it's guys that just sucks the year
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: before and they come back. So that's why.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Dak, I don't know, just trying to think of players
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: that I heard last year that I don't know.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Maybe if I mean, Dick's got to keep keep building,
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: get a thousand hour season, and you know it's all connected.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Anything we'd have to do more than that, but I
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: got to see, like what he did this week the
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: rest of the way. Yeah, you know what I mean,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: that's a big difference.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: That I forget what the down was, but that passed
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Drake through to him last week kind of an over route,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: big play.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Remember, you know what I think I was the one third.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I was like third and sixteen.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: That was the moment that Deuce was like whoa boy
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: like that? That specific past to me. I remember in
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: the press box watching him complete that. It's pressure in
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: his face getting it off, and that to me was
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: just the moment where I said, I I really think
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: this kid might be some so got to keep it going.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: But I get why everybody's excited about him.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: And that's, you know, that's what social media's for to like,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: you know, hype your guy, come up with some random
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: stat that shows how great he is, and hopefully you
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: can keep it up.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Todd and Gardner writes in so Greg Madard said that
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: he feels that Drake is quite ahead of schedule with
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: respect to his progress in the year two. I'm more
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: interested in where you all feel that the rookies are
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: with respect to their progress this year and their ability
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: to contribute over the long term.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I think they all look good. Yeah, except for JJ McCarthy,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: who we haven't really seen much of because he got
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: hurt and we played like two games and got hurt.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: But man, I watched bow Nicks the other night. I
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: thought he looked pretty good. And I don't think that
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: much about Nicks. I always put that out there. Daniels
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: has been the best of the group. He's been hurt.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams the last couple of weeks has played. I
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: think he's actually played pretty well in all of the games, yeah,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: just hasn't been able to win them all. Now he's
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: won a couple. And I think May has been the
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: best of that group this year, clearly.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: But it's a good class.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Penix had a terrible game against Carolina, came back the
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: next week and ripped it up against.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: Washington's essentially a rookie and he played a little last year.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: So some of these guys, you know, even Drake to
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: even Drake still is there's going to be still and
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: that's I mean, I think that's something to acknowledge that
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: you know, this doesn't just mean that Drake's trajectory is
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: a straight line upward like there's going to be some struggles.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is the best defense he's faced this
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: year and it's going to present some new challenges to him.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: So he's he's just got to continue to get the reps.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: And I think that class, you know, I mean it's
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: too but I think that class looks good.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Was he talking about our rookies at our rookies?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I thought he was talk about the quarterbacks.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought he was talking about our rookies,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: but maybe he was talking about the quarterbacks, well.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Rookies, so I assumed he was talking about with the quarterbacks, Like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: how does that class look? Well?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: We could talk about that too, maybe, But I think,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, Will Campbell's been really solid. But again i'd
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: put him in. He's a rookie.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: He's going to have some different matchups that he faces
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: every week, and there's going to be tough pass rushers,
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: you know, no matter how bad the teams they play, uh,
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: you know, their strength to schedule.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: But I think every all the rookies have been pretty AMoD.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Mellay Kyle scratching the surface a little bit.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: Trevion we were more excited about him before the game's
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: got real and but I still have a lot of
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: confidence in him that he can be a playmaker and
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: you know in space and uh, you know Woodson, I
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: feel the same.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, a good play and a couple
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: bad plays and he's he's up and down.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's been a lot of discussion of that, really.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Craig Woodson has been one of
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: the most under the radar players for this Patriots ten
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: this year. Nobody wants to talk about a rookie what
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: is her fourthfront pick? Like he's He's every snap safety
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: for you. Now, He's taken some some lumps, for sure.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: He gave up two touchdowns last week.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: But you know, I would hope that the coaching staff
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: is seeing really positive strides from him to be a
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: permanent safety for this team going forward.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Aiden in California, this will be the first actual big
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: game where all eyes and hype is on the Patriots.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: My question would be, is the moment too big for
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: them or will they rise to the occasion.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think the moment will be too big. They
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: might not be good enough that I fully admit that
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: that's a possibility. The other team is just a step
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: up and weight class and the other team is just better.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it will be because they're you know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: not ready for their moment. I think Vrabel has excelled
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: in this role. My boy on My Shows, Bred Felger
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: had some really interesting stats about Rabel in this touchdown
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: plus underdog with Tennessee. He was four and four outright
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: as a touchdown or more underdog. The rest of the
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: league had a winning percentage of one sixty eight or
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: something like that. So they're five hundred in a role
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: that everybody else.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: These kind of games, and.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I think of games like the twenty nineteen Division round
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: against Baltimore where he completely shut down Lamar Jackson when
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: no one came close to doing that. You know that
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: year he had I think one against Kansas City that
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: he did it to Mahomes, he beat the Patriots, beat
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: he beat Brady.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I know not, but I think Lamar is a better example.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Well the player. I don't think they were more than
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: a top were they more than a touchdowns exactly. I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: don't think that that would have been one of the underdogs.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: But he gets My point that I'm making is he
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: gets his team ready for these spots.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: YEP.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: I think he plays the no one believes that you
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: can do this card, and I also think he likes
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: the fact that there's some juice to this game. With
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: a Sunday night national TV crowd, I think they'll be
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: ready for it.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Patriots four and a half was the line in twenty
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen wildcard rounds.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: See what was the I mean, I don't I don't
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: even know what when it was. But the game that
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I I was thinking was the game at Tennessee. Uh
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: uh oh that day won with Mariota.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Oh that a twenty eighteen twenty seventeen.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: While you're looking that up. Curtis and Saint Louis McDaniels
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: talked on Edelman's podcast about how he coaches quarterbacks in
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: a nutshell. He's basically said, he has a cup and
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: he likes to fill it up progressively more and more.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: My question is, do you guys think May's cup is
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: filling faster than you would expect? Is Josh feeding him
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: more because Drake is digesting it well and showing enough
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: progress week to week, or do you feel that it's
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: actually been more simple when it comes to scheme and
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: what he puts in May's cup thus far? If it's
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: the latter, would you say Drake is really ready to
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: take on more? And how good will this look when
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the cup is truly full and Josh's bag is wide open?
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Just missed. I don't know.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just you know, this is so hard
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: for us to tell, you know what it is.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: I just all we can look at is how Drake
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: may looks on the field and performing into me.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: He he looks comfortable.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you how much that they given or not.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but it seems like it's building.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Feels a little bit like, I mean, week one is
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: a little bit an outlier, but each week it seems
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: like a little bit more someone else is getting involved.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: And you know that's all you all you can ask for.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: But it's it's I mean, we don't we don't see
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: So it's still waiting for Mike Vrabel supposed to be
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: a twelve to fifty five? What's going on? Could there
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: be a trade? Big trading? It's always the thing, Brown,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: he's on the phone, Yeah, it deals, Cody writes in Brown,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: just want to give a shout out to Alex Barth
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: for being a Bills hater on this network. The glazing
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: of Josh Allen from Evan in the O. Golly g
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it be nice for the Bills to win a
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl? For Mike gets old is.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: But Alex Barth makes Fred Kersh look like hate, like
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: a Bills backer. Someone can't tell you how many times
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: he's told me that the or said on the air
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: the Bills won't make the playoffs.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone keep Barth around the studio for the next
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: two hour.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I probably deserve it, and I will
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: say that.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: I think it was deserved for being objective saying I'd
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: like to see the message. I think the whole Buffalo
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen thing stems from so many people who consider
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: themselves experts. I thought he was a stiff in the draft,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: and they just can't bring themselves to say I was wrong.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I never had to take on him in the draft.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: But I've said a million times it's not that hard
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: to say, no, I thought this was going to happen,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: it didn't. I was wrong. It's not that hard. I
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror, I was wrong. It's not hard.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: I could see my Bills hate coming back. I mean,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: they just don't vex me right now. And I think
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: it's because the Patriots have been bad.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: But you can hate the bills.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but there's there's an under you have
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: to listen to it, and you know me, Fred will
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: tell you. I sometimes I hear things that might might
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: not be heard by dogs, like there's an underlying lack
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: of respect still in my view, a right forel.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: All eyes are gonna be on you and your team
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: Sunday night.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Do you enjoy primetime spotlight or I think.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 12: If you wanna be if you wanna get to where
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 12: you wanna get to, I think you're you know, you
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 12: certainly better enjoy it, better enjoy uh playing in uh
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: primetime games. And that's something that you know, we're we're
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 12: trying to prepare for right now, and so I think that, uh,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 12: certainly it'll be a huge challenge.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: You know. The last time they lost at home was you.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 12: Know, fourteen games ago, and we're we're we're well aware
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 12: of that and have to do a lot of really
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 12: good things, uh to give ourselves a chance.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: And they.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 12: Playing good football or playing clean football, they're not beating themselves,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 12: and you know, they're doing a nice job in all phases.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Like you you faced off against Josh Shan lived the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: first five years of his career. Just his development from
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: you know, year one to then when you saw him
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: here three to five. How impressive was that is?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: Is there anything you everyone else can take away from
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: humping from as a player.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, I think he realized that he's got
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 12: immense talent, and I think he has done a much
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 12: greater job, better job of taking care of football.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: And really that's been the the big difference for for
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: me just watching it from Afar.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 12: You know, a few years ago, I was forcing things
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 12: in the red zone and that led to some turnovers,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 12: some some interceptions, and now I think he just has
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 12: a greater understanding of, you know, taking care of football
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 12: in those situations.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: And uh and they're still scoring touchdowns.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 13: Do you have an update on July to buy you
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 13: expects him to be out there?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 12: I expecting the practice, yes, So I don't have an
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 12: update on the game, but he will return to play
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 12: in practice.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: If you find that balance, you're trying to defend a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: quarterback play Josh Allen. If you want to get after
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: who you want.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: To have the kind of kind of price if approptly.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 12: Girls want to to take countess, well, there's always gonna
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 12: be an extra gap in there unless you send two
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 12: guys right, So there's a gap somewhere in there if
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 12: you rush four.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: There's a gap in there if you rush five.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 12: And but but again I think that it's just good coordinated,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 12: relentless coordinated rush. You know, even when he guys are free,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 12: he makes a mess, he spins, or he'll extend, you know,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 12: out past the numbers to the red line and continue
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 12: to to make plays down the field, or hevn't forbid
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 12: he scrambles up the middle and you know, makes a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 12: move on a guy like he's done in the past
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 12: in the last couple of weeks, or or breaks the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 12: stiff arm out. So again it's a huge challenge, you know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 12: any time that he's carrying the football, and then obviously
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 12: the accuracy and kind of the timing that he's had
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 12: throwing the football will be something that will have to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: work on.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 14: James cooking this Buffalo run game to have so much success,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 14: and more of the.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 12: Keys to try to get pay them this way because
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 12: he's a good player. They got good guys blocking for him.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 12: I think the tight end have done a really nice job.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 12: And then I think his vision and his patience and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 12: burst he just everybody's at the point of attack. He
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 12: runs where you're not, and if you have bad discipline
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 12: or you don't chase your gap when it's moving away from.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: You, he's gonna come back and find it.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 12: So it's really been a nice back form and it's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 12: just you know, taking care the football with the with
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: the amount of carries that he's had.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, you seem to embrace the happy personnel than anybody
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 14: last yearanization offense the linement.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: This year they're using pause sorting that role.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 14: When it's on twenty two, I think yeah, late average
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 14: is three first naps a game for for twenty two
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 14: personnel and they're in the thirteen fourteen rangue.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: What what sort of challenges that is a pretty.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 12: Guests Well, not only the twenty two personnel, the the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 12: thirteen personnel that you know, those are basically heavier personnels.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: They do a nice job of having a run plan.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 12: Each week out of it that they like and that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 12: they think is going to give them success, but then
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 12: also still having the ability to keep the the route integrity,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: uh and running some of the stuff out of that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 12: with with Kincaid and Knocks and being able to do
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 12: all those things that they would do out of other
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 12: personnel groups.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 14: Of course, it seems as if with Josh Allen the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 14: Bills embraced really quickly the go today.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: He's gonna run, it's gonna make mistakes, he's gonna be
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a wild stealie. Let's do that.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: So he's now come out the other.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Side of it with Braff, you guys are very much stressed.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: Let's let's be a passive for us. Do you anticipate
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: both a course.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: Of time that he would become more of a potent
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: runner and.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: Embracing that the way that Allen does. I don't know
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: if I necessarily agree with that.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 12: I think that we want Drake to play quarterback, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 12: that's to work the progression and work the scheme of
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 12: the play. And then, you know, have never said not
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 12: to to run and just to protect himself and to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 12: protect the ball. So I don't necessarily agree with that,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 12: you know. And then you know, with Josh Allen, I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 12: think everybody he's gonna play quarterback. How he feels like
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 12: he gives him the best chance to win, And you
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 12: know lead his team to victory each week, which has
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: been pretty successful.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: Is his athletic skill set.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: The size this team, how.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Would he uses It's like mcnera Roethlisberg's.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 12: Big Not into comparisons. I think that he's a very
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 12: very good athlete. I think he loves football, and I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 12: think he's got an energy to him and and there's
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 12: a willingness to run. Certainly contact courage doesn't lack any
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: of that. You know, it's like Wildcat when they when
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 12: they choose to to run him on design runs.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Without getting into the one for one comparison. Is his
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: skill set, It's difficult.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: To defend, as maybe any other quarterback you player.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 12: Coach will be this week. It'll be the toughest challenge
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 12: this week. But again his reason that he's up there
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 12: in the MVP every year and that these teams are
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 12: very successful.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: Got a lot of respect for him.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: And he knows that with four games, I'm your belt.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 15: Now, how far along do you feel like you are
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 15: in identifying the consistent strengths of the team week to week?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: And is it kind of where you expect.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: It to be.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 12: I didn't really have many expectations, just because you never
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: really know, I think we're just trying to do it
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 12: each and every week, and we have to continue to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 12: build that and practice that. But it's a good reminder
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 12: of that when we can do those things, that we
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 12: can have success and we give ourselves a chance to win.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Like just picking back a.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 15: Little bit, when Karen was asking about it being a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 15: big moment in the spotlight on a Sunday.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Night, do you relish the opportunity to go into a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: place like Buffalo where they've had so much success.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 12: In the crowd is so into Sure, I mean, I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 12: think you have to. I mean, one, we don't have
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 12: any other choice, But I think you have to. And
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 12: I think it's important that we can take the next
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 12: step and show that but that we are ready and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 12: that maybe some of our identity has a chance to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 12: let itself out on Sunday night. And but it'll be
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 12: a great challenge, it'd be a challenge to even just
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 12: prepare today and get going and focus on all those
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: things that are going to help us in the road environment.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 11: Historically, Todd down he's in a lot of work in
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 11: the red zone for the other teams you work with,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 11: Where has his work shown up there for you?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: If it all same, you know what I mean. It's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: the same, you know what I mean.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 12: I like to go in and talk with with Todd
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: and Thomas and get some preliminary thoughts and some things
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 12: that we may like and then be able to present
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 12: it to Josh as we work due to week.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: So you know, those guys are as involved as they
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: always have been.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: How do you assess your safety and if you needed
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: to tap into that, anyone in that corner room that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: might have some flexibility to play back there.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 12: I don't I haven't thought about I don't think we've
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 12: thought about taking any corners and making them safeties just yet.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Like let's make their past.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Defense as effective this. It's been a thin fair number
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: one of the league's yards.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 12: In the past, very sound, the great vision and break players.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: You know, they got some guys on the corner on
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 12: the edge that have some length. Backers are fast, instinctive,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 12: and the safeties do a great job of disguising and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: then once the match the route declares, you know, being
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 12: able to match it and play it. It's they've done
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: a nice, really nice job. But they stay multiple proficient
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 12: in a lot of different coverages and they mix it
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: up on you.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 15: They're trying to keep things in front for the most part,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 15: seems like not a lot of deeper passes been.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably fair, But I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 12: don't think you know, it's not like they're playing cover
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 12: two extensively, you know. I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: post safety and you know, they get into their quarters
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: and then they blitz different people off of it. But
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 12: it's a very sound and instinctive defense with guys that trigger,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 12: and when it gets thrown short, they do a great
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 12: job of breaking and vice tackling and not missing a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: whole lot of tackles and when the quarterback decides to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 12: check it down.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: I seen when at linebacker over the last couple of weeks.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 14: Do you see that continuing or would you prefer to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 14: stick with one guy next to school.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 12: I don't mind rotating, and I think that everybody's just
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 12: trying to help us out. We've got a lot of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 12: guys that play special teams. We've got guys that play
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 12: rotating there on defense, we play a lot of different
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 12: skill players offensively, So you know, I think that that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 12: can be a good bet, you know, I mean, good balance, This.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Will be good My last visit to Buffalo unless you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: go back and close season. Do you look at the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: what do you recollection to that stadium bat environment?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: And did you really really love the visitors law for them? Yeah?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 12: Didn't It wasn't it Ralph Wilson Stadium. Yeah, I mean
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 12: I think again. I love the ride up. I love
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: the passionate fans and you know mean coming up into
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 12: that day and driving down the you know, on the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: road and seeing the same things you saw for you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: twenty years, you know, being in this league. So it's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 12: a great sports town and uh, you know we're excited
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 12: to go there on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Uh dudes has gone to the locker room. He'll be
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get the word from the locker room when
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  Speaker 2: they returned. But we just heard from Mike Rabel and Paul.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what do you think were the takeaways?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that there was a whole lot to
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  Speaker 3: this one. But as we talked about in the first hour,
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  Speaker 3: I would say that Mike Rabel very much is looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to this opportunity. I think he relishes these this role.
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  Speaker 3: I think National TV on the road against one of
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  Speaker 3: the NFL's elite, I think he likes those.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny because he was asked that question just
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: that way, and if it was Bill Belgian, well, you know,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: it's just another game and you know where they're all important,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But Mike said, no, this is big game.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: We hope that we can have our identity start to
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: develop or come forth in this game under the lights
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Sunday night, the whole country, will you know, Like He's like, yeah,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I own it. This is going to be big.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: And you know, I thought there was some questions in
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: the middle about, you know, sort of Josh Allen and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: you know, comparing him to others and Drake May, and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: he doesn't really want to get into any of those
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: comparison kind of talk. I did find it interesting there
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: was a question in there about sort of limiting May's creativity.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm paraphrasing that wasn't the actual question, but
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: his running and Mike sort of took exception to that,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: like's I would disagree with that.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I never told him that.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: You know, he wants him to protect himself and protect
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: the ball, but not necessarily not to run. So I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: think that is kind of a narrative that is, you know,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: permeated for the first month.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: We got an update on Julia.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to start practicing. His window can officially
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: open today, so the four weeks that he had a
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: miss being on ir So now, assuming that he's out
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: there at practice, we'll find out later, but assuming he
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: was out there, that that thus opens a twenty one
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: day window that he can practice before the Patriots have
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: to make a decision on whether or not the active.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: He can play any time, but they have to make
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: he could play Sunday.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: If they wanted him to play Sunday, they could activate
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: him to the rosters before the game this week, but
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: they have twenty one days to make that determination.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, So that was Mike Vrabel.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: My guess is we won't see him this week, but
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: maybe he It's a week you know, kind of like Gonzo.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: You know, you have a week of practice under your belt,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: and the second week of practice and you come back.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: So Tavai hasn't really done much in a long time.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talked about this in the postgame show.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe with his the way he plays linebacker, he could
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: be helpful this year. Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: At the very least, he gives you some depth at
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: a spot that you don't have a ton of it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, eight five five Pats five hundred is
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: the hotline. That's how you can call us podcast at
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Patriots dot com is the email address, and a lot
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: of emails coming in. Norwe from Arizona writes in he
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: said he's pumped about the game and the national stage.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: He said he emailed Thursday show about reading into a
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: running back drill when Henderson was the first one leading
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: the tackling ball carrier. One. I recall Evan being dismissive
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: of this, also considered that this information came from a
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Mike Reese tweet. Well, look at what happened on Sunday.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: You had Henderson and Gibson getting goal line touchdown carries
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: while Stevenson didn't. Is this something else with is this
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: something that we also shouldn't be reading into?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: And Stevenson started, That's why Evan said not to read into.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have a question. If the Patriots are
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: hanging with Buffalo in a back and forth game where
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: both teams are alternating leads throughout the game and the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: games come down to who has the ball last, if
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: the Patriots end up falling short over a last minute
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: score by Buffalo, how will you guys end up feeling
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: about the team afterwards.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all very I think they're all very
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: good questions, and I just would say I kind of
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: need to see the way the game unfolds generally, without
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: getting too detailed, you know, with this, I would say
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: I'd feel pretty good about the scenario that he just
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: kind of unfolded there. But you just, you know, let's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: say that they fall short at the end, Fred, Why
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: did they fall short? Right, Someone drop a pass, someone
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: miss a blitz. It may overthrow somebody.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of different ways that you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: can fall short and not feel great about it. But
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: in general terms, I would say, if the Patriots have
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: a chance to win this game on Sunday, I probably
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: would feel pretty good about the Patriots. Yeah, general, you know,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: generally speaking, I mean, if they're plus four in the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: turnover ratio and they lose the game, I'm probably not
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: going to feel as great as I might, you know,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: But if they go to Buffalo on a Sunday night
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: and take Buffalo's best shot and have a chance to win,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, most Patriots fans, I think are
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: probably going to feel pretty pretty good about the team's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: fortunes going forward.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Adrian and Delaware, I know you guys don't do the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: paper anymore, but I think it would be fun on
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: the Tuesday shows to brainstorm with the listener, is what
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the cover picture of the previous game would be and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: what the headline would say. For example, after the Carolina game,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: would the picture be the Marcus Jones punt return or
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Drake May Superman celebration?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Good question, Yeah, it probably would have depended. I'm going
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: to jump into Freddy's head here. Fred used to look
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: at the photos and a lot of times that would
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: determine what you what you went with if it was
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: a great photo, you know. As an example, my guess
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: is we would have had the cover of the Miami
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: game would have been Antonio Gibson running side by side
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: with Mike Rabela, the great David Silverman photo. Longtime Patriots photog.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to give him his props. David Silverman
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: one of the few that's been around longer than.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Both of us, right, been longer than the Crafts have
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: been here.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that my guess is that you would have
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: seen that and said we got to get this on
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: the cover.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: You know, so a lot of times you would look
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: at those photos and say, well, I know, the Marcus
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Jones punt return was probably the biggest player of the game,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: but this photo over here is a better photo, Yeah,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: and then gone with that. Yeah, but I love I
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: love the idea of the Superman thing that would have been.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: That would have been kind of cool.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: So, like Paul said, you know, you what was going
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: in on, what were the plays of the game, But
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: then you see the photos, and back then it was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit different. Especially in the nineties, you didn't
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: have the thousands of photos that these guys take now digitally,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: so you had to be more selective with what actually
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: came out nicely, and like Paul said, sometimes the quality
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: of the photo dictated the cover and then you'd have
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: to figure out the headline from that.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Because we had like off and running with Gibson on
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: that kick return.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah something like that. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, too good.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I kind of missed that.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, too good. Two good, there you go, punt return.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's a good one. Good, Paul,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: that was a cliche. That's good. That's good. But I
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: don't mind doing that. Like what's your cover headline?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: And you know what, let's make that a thing on Tuesdays.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: If we get you guys in your emails, email in
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: what your cover words would have been? Yeah, and then
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: we can maybe spend maybe fifteen minutes every Tuesday talking
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can actually pick a picture and have it
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: up on the screen and say, okay, here's the picture. Yeah,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: give us the headline. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: It used to be a big thing on the bus. Yeah,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: on road games, you know, Fred and Andy and I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: would sit around the guys from like the radio, the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: sports hub. Mark Capello, a longtime producer of the Patriots games.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Would you know, he would immediately come on, Freddy, what's
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: the Cover's the cover? What's the cover like? And we
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: would all sort of talk about it, and full disclosure,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: Fred and Andy would come up with far more of
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: the covers than I would because it wasn't my thing
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: and I always got shot down. But that's it was
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: kind of a collaborative. We would do it on the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: bus a lot on those road games.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Also, I think Alex should have a word of the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: week on Wednesday or Thursday. But the word or phrase
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: must be in Portuguese. Maybe another Jill jingle. Perhaps I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: speak Spanish, but I'd love to learn a bit of Portuguese,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: especially since the Patriots are marketed in Brazil. This could
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: be the spiritual successor to Eric's word of the day. Yeah,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: play yeah. Eric used to have a word of the day.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: I remember as if his vocabulary was so much more
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: so fast, yeah, half the words you would mispronounce. Oh man,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Eric Poor Eric Jeff and Hickory, North Carolina calls himself
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: the Southern Patriot. If you look at it, we are
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: a turnover away from being at least three and one,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: and then we would have a chance at this week
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: against the Bills. Why the only two things I worry about? Oh,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: I see, yes, you only think that's what he probably Dideah.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: I think the only two things I worry about with
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: the Bills is our defense. In the first quarter, they
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: toughen up after that and turnover differential. Regardless, we have
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: a chance if Drake has more than thirty rushing yards
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: and no interceptions, change my mind. So Drake with thirty
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: rushing yards and no interceptions, I.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: Don't think they I mean no interceptions is important. I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: don't think they need any certain amount of yards rushing.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think if he has three yards rushing,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: you have a chance.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Does he throw the ball well right?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: And is he rushing because he's being chased all over
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: the place? Yeah, I mean I everybody will has a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: very contextual game.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: I would say anybody that goes into a game like
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: this and things, you don't have a chance. I just
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: don't know what you've watched. Like, why wouldn't the team
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: average and New Owans had a chance last week? I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: think New OANs is one of the worst teams in football.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: So why wouldn't the Patriots at two and two have
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: a chance. They of course they have a chance. Yes,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: of course they do.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: I want to do a little Patriot It's uh.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: This is the time to do it when no one's
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: here around.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Sure, just play Okay, this is Max in Atlanta, who
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: had the longest rush in the longest reception for the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Patriots last season.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: To be good for me, I'm going to say Antonio
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Gibson had the longest of both.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: You're right, you would be correct, and one.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Of them was definitely against San Francisco.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Forty five yard ron in a fifty yard catch. When
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: was the last year a wide receiver had the longest
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: reception for the Patriots? When was the last year a
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: wide receiver had the longest reception for the Patriots. I
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: would never have gotten this. I don't even remember the play.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the year. Want me to give you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: the twenty one?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Oh so would this be like a Jacksonville or a
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Jets game?
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. He doesn't have the game. No, no,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the yardage. Seventy five yards.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: It was a long play. Kendrick Bourne Hendrick Oh Dallas overtime,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: the overtime loss at home against Dallas, seventy five yard
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: that gave him the lead in the fourth quarter.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Matt Jones had a nice pass.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it actually should have been picked but
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: seventy five yard touchdown to Bourne the play after Jones
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: had just thrown a pick six.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, in two thousand and four, one player on the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Patriots had one hundred percent completion percentage. Who was it?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: What year?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Two thousand and four? This isn't This is kind of
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: a trick question. Two thousand and four.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Adam vinit Terry, that's correct.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: One pass, one touchdown.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Four yards. Troy Brown hat rams Yep.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: And that was also a game where Troy Brown played cornerback, right,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: he played He played defense in that game. Yeah, in
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, we won our first ten games. What city
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: were we playing in when we lost our first game?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: That season?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen they won their first ten Yeah, now, come on,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: this game has a name? Would not have remembered that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Harper's muff?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Denver?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: That was their first loss that year.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were ten and o going into that game,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: remember that, So I remember they lost and Gronkowski had
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: the injury.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: They lost four out of the last six, I believe,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: and all of them fell at least partly on the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: shoulders of Bill Belichick. I've gone to that those are
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: my greatest hits. Two thousand and fifty. Yeah, kicking, kicking
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: off and overtime, I mean yeah, kicking off and overtime
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: at the Jets Harper's mouth, Harper's mouth, take a kid off.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: The practice squad put him back to return a punt
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter in a snowstorm.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: In two thousand and five.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna run Stephen Jackson every play in Miami
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: the course. Now you got me all riled up.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: That was a tough That was a tough year. That
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: was a tough year. Should have been better in five
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: we lost in the same city in Week six and
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: in the Visional Round. Where were those games played?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Denver?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Again obviously, he says, yeah, yep, that one.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: That one's more obvious.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: And finally, one team has played four home games this season?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Which team is it?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: You mean after Sunday?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: No one's played full home games.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, so after Sunday Buffalo.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: We talked about this on Sunday.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Well, he says, Denver. But it's just a joke.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, I thought he was being serious because of
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: like this is we I don't really recall this. Buffalo
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: is going to play at home Sunday night. It's going
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: to be four the first five at home. Yeah, that's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: We thought it might have something to do with the stadium,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: but we looked at the end of the year, they
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: were also playing at home.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Then that's why I thought I was you know, he
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: was being serious. Yes, but Denver is at home every week.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: PS. Yesterday you guys talked about Higgins being traded since
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: he's a creative. We got that.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: I was definitely wrong on that one. See it's not
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: that hard when you have the wrong information, you just
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: say I was wrong.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Ye Wisconsin, Glenn right, Sin The Bills haven't played a
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: good NFL team yet. Ravens, Well, they are a good team. Jets,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Miami and Saints aren't good. The Patriots could be a
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: step up in competition. They need to leverage their offense
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: and special teams. The defense will be under.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Direct Okay, so here's where I You know, with all
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: the I think that they can compete, you should absolutely
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: expect to compete. Why don't they have a chance. I'm
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: going to say all those things. So if we're not
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: counting Baltimore as a good team, who are the Patriots played?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: Right? Right?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Right, they're good, Miami.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: They're good, right, Like those are bad. They've played bad teams.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why Baltimore still has a better chance
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: odds wise to win the AFC North than Pittsburgh. Yeah,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: because everybody looks at the teams and says that one's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: better than that one. But I yeah, Like I said,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I give the Patriots every opportunity to go to Buffalo
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: and put their best foot forward. They should, They should
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: expect to compete and win. They should.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Martin out of Kansas, good day, he says, Fred, you
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: have the phrase, what do the Sharks know game? When
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: the game open, it was Bills by ten and a hay.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: Now it's Bills by seven and a hay. I find
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: it interesting. Are they giving the Patriots more respect?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: I saw eight and a half to seven and a half.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: But I trust you it could also mean they just
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: need to get Bills money in because the Patriots at
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: ten and a half while the fans were crazy and
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: making the best.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Patriots have been I would say, offensively
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: better than a lot of people thought they would be.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: I think two and two is not I mean two
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: and two is not a surprise. A lot of people
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: figured at the start of the season they had three
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: and one was in play, so two and two was
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: not a surprise. But I would say the offense has
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: been a little bit of a surprise. Don't you think
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: that they've been better offensively?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought they would be better, so I thought.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: They would be better. But they've been good this difference,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Okay, Like like I mean,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: I don't really care about these numbers that Mike and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Evan liked to throw because they're all percentages, yep. But
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: they're like in the top five in the league and
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of numbers wise, but I I think there's
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: they're like sixth or eighth or something in point.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: But I expected see to see an improvement in the
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I did too. It was Drake, it was
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: the line, it was the coaching.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: I did too. I just didn't expect them to be
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: over thirty twice in the first four weeks.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: I thought they would be better all the things you said,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: but I didn't expect them to be scoring thirty plus
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: and forty plus in the first four weeks of the season.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, But as you know, it wasn't really forty, but
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: It was closer to really forty than it was over
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: thirty of Miami game.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Valentine from Switzerland, if we hang with the Bills and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: we have a drive to end the win in May,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: would it be a moral victory? We talked about that.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: The only concern I have left with Drake May is
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: his ability to win close games. Usually top quarterbacks in
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: this league have already won multiple games coming from behind
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: to this point.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, he hasn't done. I mean, they
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: did win a close game in Miami, but it wasn't
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: because Drake May came from behind to do it. That
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: he had the kick return that did it. Yeah, I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: mean that's probably the next step in his evolution is
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: when the game is on the line, do you play
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: the same way you have been playing?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Right? Yep? A quick midweek game. Regarding the current roster
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: for the following groups of three players, I would like
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: to know if you would either keep the current player,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: switch the player for the alternate or alternative from the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: other team, or switch the player for a former Patriot. Oh,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: this is too complicated. I'm not doing it. It's too complicated.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: Can you give me just one example?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you one example. Three choices running back,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: keep ramondre Stevenson, switch for Cam Scataboo, or switch for
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: prime Vegas Ferguson. Okay, so he keeps Yes, so I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: thought he wanted us.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: You probably you would probably trade him for Cam's camp Scataboo.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: In three yards of no, I keep remondre Stevens, would
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, keep Stefan Diggs, switch him for Matthew Golden
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: or switch for prime Cedric Jones.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: I think I would switch him for Matthew Golden for
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: the age, the age difference. Okay, I mean Diggs is
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: a better player, I mean right now.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: But what if you're just talking about this season not
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you know, like I.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Think Golden's pretty good, and I think he could be
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: really good.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: All right, what's going on?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: And I don't know. There's a lot of conversations, a lot.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Of u F bombs being thrown out there. Tight End,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: keep Hunter, Henry, switch for Dalton Kincaid, or switch for
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: prime Rod Rutledge.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: I would keep Hunter because of Evan's thing. He's more
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: of a well rounded tight end. I liked Alton Kincaid.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: Evan doesn't. I think he's a good player, but he's
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: not much of a blocker. Henry does it does a
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: little bit of everything.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: O line, keep Mike and when you switch for Matt Pryor,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: or switch for Prime Steven Neil.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, Steven Neil, Yeah, I don't know who Matt Prior is.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Full disclosure, cornerback.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Keep Christian Gonzales, switch for Cooper Dejene or switch for
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Prime Malcolm Butler, Yeah, keep, come on. Finally, keep Drake
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: May switch for Baker Mayfield, or switch for Prime Cam Newton.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: I think I would keep Drake May me too. Prime
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: Cam Newton is m v P tempting, but I think
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: that he's Mays a better passer, even at even at
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Newton's height of his prop powers, I think may is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: a better passer, So I would keep May. Yep, that
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: was a little bit more enjoyable.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't know he actually gave us the options. I
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: thought we were have to like sit here and think
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: about who we would switch them for. Alex from Austin, Texas.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: We often talk about how explosive Marcus Jones is with
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: the ball in his hands. Yeah, Paul's guy.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: I know where this is going.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: This past weekend was exceptional evidence of that. Do we
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: think there will be a time this season we'll see
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: him on offense?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: Yep?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I know we've seen it in the past, But do
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: we think Josh will ever play that card? In PS?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: My Rivalry's jersey just came in and it is incredible.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: It's fire. I do think there's a chance that we'll
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: see that this week. No, No, I'm not calling for
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: it this weekkay, necessarily, I'm just saying I think there's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: a chance that you'll see Marcus Jones on offense.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Matthew from Wichita right sin. In the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: first part of the show, there was a lot of
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: praise for the Buffalo pass catchers because how many good
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: to okay options they have. Isn't that sort of the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: same thing the Patriots have. I think the Patriots pass
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: catching group doesn't get enough praise for their diversity of talent.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Each of the Patriots receivers has their own unique skill
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: set and very little overlap. Would you rather have the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Patriots pass catching group or the Bills?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: I think they're both subpar.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Well, which one would you rather have?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: Probably Buffalo only because of Diggs's age, but I think
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: they're very similar. And I would just say, I mean,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: it sounded like there was like a a gotcha moment
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: in that email. I No, I agree, and that's why
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: I think most people think Buffalo's receivers stink like I
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: think he was trying to say, well, if Buffalo is
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: this or that or the other thing, then why are
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: we not saying that about the Patriots?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 11: No, we are.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: I think they both kind of lacking in star power
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: at the receiver position. Yeah right, okay, now digs like
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: prime digs, which you know, if he would prime digs,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: he'd still be on Buffalo, right, he hasn't been that guy.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Gavin writes in if the Patriots somehow pull off the wind,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: what are you guys thoughts on trading trying to trade
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: for a J. Brown? And how great would this benefit
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: the team going forward?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: I'd be interested in trading for AJ Brown win lose
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, yep, Okay, waiting for uh be coming in?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: But I do like you don't get the heads up anymore.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: He just storms in.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: No, it's it's become a thing. It's become a thing.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Somebody said that just prior to the song, like there
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: should be that noise that Stone calls Stone cold Steve
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Austin when he smashes through Uh. But anyway, we'll see
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: what they got cooked up back there the midst aw
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: the yelling. I don't know what the yelling was.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: I just said that it was just today.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: We had a caller call and that was Costello is
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: calling in from New Hampshire. His new favorite caller is
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Brian from Lowell and the way he sucks the fun
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: out of the room and grinds the podcast to a halt.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious hearing Fred depressingly muttered, yell okay to get
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: the call over his comedy gold keep Brian.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: Please, everyone's welcome. Not everybody has the same level of play,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: you know, or time for your phone call and we
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: take everyone yeap. Why can't Booty be the explosive deep threat?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: He says? Is it Booty or boutet Booty? Yeah, it's
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Booty right, Yeah. I heard the announcers say, oh, it's.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know our own guy. I don't know why.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know why that happened.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: The TD bomb he caught last year against Houston and
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: a few others from last season seemed like that could
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: have been a role for him, or am I remembering
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: that wrong.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of hope for him, so I
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: would say that he has gotten deep a few times,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: but don't confuse that with being a consistent deep threat.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think he has great straight line speed, but
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: he has shown the ability to get open deep on occasion,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: and they really haven't tried a lot of those. They
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: have tried a few of them, yep, here and there, but.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: I mean the one in Miami was like twenty five yards.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: It's not really sixteen sixteen yards sixteen yards, Yeah, but
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: they I'm like, I'm thinking of the deep one down
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: the sideline. They went to him deep on a pass
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: interference against Pittsburgh. I think they've tried it a couple
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: of times here in that, but they haven't really stretched
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: the field very much on verticals, as Heaven would would say.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Lastly, the linebackers have been bad. He's got it in caps.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: If Juwan Bentley was still on the team, could that
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: have been a fit he could cover a little bit
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: or is his body type not a fit for what
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: they're doing on defense?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Juwan Bentley was not known for his coverage.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: He was run stopped.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: He was a better run stopper than probably they've gotten
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: better tackler. But evidently they felt like he wasn't a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: scheme fit, and you know, they went with some smaller,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: quicker guys in Spalaine in Ellis, you know, and it
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: could have been.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: A cultural thing. Not that Juwan was great for the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: locker room, but I think in terms of the leadership
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: of this team, Bentley was a former captain, and I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: think Rabel might have, just guessing here, wanted his guys
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: as leaders.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: And you see, you know, first first year Patriots like
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Spulaine in Landry, you know, in that captain role. So
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: I think you'd probably right about that.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know why this person's asking this question, Ashton,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: but the question is, would you consider trading Drake May
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: in two first rounds? Oh, it's a joke. Would you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: consider trading Drake May and two first round picks for
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz in a third round pick? I thought it
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: was the other word around, that we would get to
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: first round picks. So it's even absurd, but just being crazy.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: That's weird though, it's like not even no, I think
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: it's a joke, but it's not, you know, it's not
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: even jokey though. No, I don't know, Yeah, but I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: don't think there's very much that I would be considering
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: trading Drake May for.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: That right now. I mean, he's the sky's a limit
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: the way it looks right now, we're we're starting to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: see who I.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: Want to see it out. I want to s see
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: it play out. Does he get better? Does he continue
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: to you know, add add some tools to his bag?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: And and and what I hope is you see the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: continuation this year. But I also hope there's some continuity
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: with the coaching staff next year. Like, you know, Josh
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: is still here, Thomas Brown doesn't head off to.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: The you know, yeah, I mean, you probably have a
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: chance to lose some of the other guys, but this,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a good chance if if everybody wants
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: to return. And you know, like I don't think Josh
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: is going anywhere, right, I mean, at this stage, I
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: don't think he's going to get another joaching office.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's another thing that just struck me with
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Rabel's press conference today. He was talking about, you know,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: the game plan for the offense, and he says, you know,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to Thomas Brown and who's the other guy
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: he mentioned, Todd down Now, Downing, we'll talk about some
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: things and then we'll present that to Josh.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting that I think I might
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: have missed that yeah when I stepped out to Yeah, I.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Don't know if. I don't know if we can get
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: that clip. But he said that he would talk to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Todd Downing and Thomas Brown and they would present things.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: He's going out of his way to create something there.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know why. I don't know what exactly the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: story is. But every time the subject of offensive coaching
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: comes up, right, there seems to be a long way
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: to Grandma's house that doesn't really include a direct route
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: to Josh mctay right.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Right, So I I that caught my ear. That caught
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: my ear. I don't know if it caught anyone else's. Uh.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: I don't even if, like guys back in KSP could
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: get that clip and we could play that.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: I guess is it's going to catch the era of
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: ear of you know my shows too, because those are
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: kinds of drama written sure elements that they love.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: They love to infuse drama into people's comments. Hustin right, Sin.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: I just want to say, you guys are great. I
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: enjoy the show. Would you rather have the Patriots win
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: big because of great defense or win a close game
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: where Drake leads a game winning drive. That's a good question. Actually,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: close game where Drake wins it on the game winning drive,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: or they dominate and they win big because they shut
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: down the Bills.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I would rather have the Drake May.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Really Yeah, you don't want to see the defense like
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: come alive and.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: Shut down the Bills again, as long as it's a
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: w I don't. I'm not going to sit there and
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: throw it away.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Well, nobody is either.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that is most sustainable his offense,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Drake May. If he can be that, I'll take that.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: But we've seen the offense starting to get better. We
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: still have some questions on the defense. This would be
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: great for this to be a defensive.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: Personally, I would think that myself. You asked me my opinion,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: I would look at it as a one off, whereas
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's a continuation of Drake made.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: You can't have two off until you have a one off, Paul.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't think there's a lot of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: teams in the league that consistently shut down good offenses.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: I don't care who you are, I don't know anybody else.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: We had a big defensive game that mat me off.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: Like we're talking about Like earlier in the show, we
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: had Jack and Ann Arbor tell us about how the
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: secret to stopping America has Baltimore was X Y and Z,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: I see a hand raised and.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Oh okay and Baltimore.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: You know, the secret to stopping Baltimore was limiting to
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: thirty points. Like that to me is that? And I
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: agree with Jack. I think Detroit played well that night defensively, yep.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: That's why. Like if if they won the game like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: thirty eight to ten and the defense was just suffocating,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: I would say, great, it's a great win. But I
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: don't think you can do that again.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: No, but it would be good that I don't know.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Or if it's thirty eight thirty four and you want
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: on a shootout because Drake May was outdueled Josh Allen,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: I think you could do that, But.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Then we come out of that game still worried about
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: our defense.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: What I'm telling you is I would still be worried
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: about the defense regardless.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: I know, but at least you have some.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: Well in the league, not the Patriots. I know, defense
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: in general in the league is I agree that there's
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of talk about these college gimmicky offenses are
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: way behind, and it's hard to play the you the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: canfl that they the scoring is is just there on
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: a consistent.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: For the record, I would take the big win with
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: a defensive shutdown so that.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: I have those numbers that I was talking to you
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: about a little a while ago about Rabel as an underdog. Yep,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: So I asked Mike to send me to the actual
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: data regular and postseason games as a seven and a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: half point or more underdog. So that's what the Patriots are,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: seven and a half point underdog, seven and a half
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: or more underdogs. Rabel was four and four as the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: Tennessee coach. The rest of the league in that situation
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: was sixty seven and three hundred and twenty seven for
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: a winning percentage of seventeen percent. So the Patriots what
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: the Titans went five hundred?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: What's the window that we're talking about from two thousand?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Like what year twenty eighteen to twenty three? Okay, Well
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Rabel was with Tennessee. Okay, so that five years span,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: six six year span. Okay, that's impressive.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: Four and four as a seven and a half point
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: underdog or more. This is outright, This isn't a spread.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Outright four and four rest of the league sixty seven
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: and three hundred and twenty seven for a one to
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: seventy winning percentage. That's a big, big gap. Yeah, okay,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: and just as an underdog of any kind, Vrabel had
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: the second best record in the league only to Mike
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: tom wins winning percentage in that same time time period.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's hope that trend continues, so that we got
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: you saying that we got a chance. Yes, okay, John
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: and Virginia formerly at Brockton has some trivia or not.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's trivia. It's just kind of
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: a guessing game. Name one other player to wear the
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: number twelve jersey other than Tom Brady for the Patriots.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: Tom Ramsey, that's one. Oh my, Matt Cavanaugh.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: That's two. I would never have guessed how many three?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Two of them? Eddie Wilson, I don't know who that is.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Name five players to wear the thirty three jersey from
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: eighty one to the present.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: Tony Collins that's one, Devin Falk.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Two, there's one. Where bring it right now?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, Anthony Jennings.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Three.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: That was that was a prototypical Paul. I can remember
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: the day Collins forget Anthony Jennings, Yeah, I don't really
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: have anything.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Juwan Williams, Jeremy Hill, Deon Lewis, Leon Washington, Sam Gash.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: Deon Lewis was thirty three. I should have gotten that.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: One, George Adams and Patrick Egu Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have gotten many of those, Sam Gash and
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Deon Lewis. I should have gotten.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: From eighty one to present name five out of the
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: six players to wear the number eighty seven.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Eighty one to the present name five players.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Five out of six. So we know Grenkowski did.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lynn Dawson, Yes, Look who's back from.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: The locker room?
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: What was the mood where the player's friendly to that?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: None of them looked like Tavick Henry, Hey.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Mike, what was it like.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: Paying like?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: What was it like in the I think you should
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: come in just wearing a towel because you just came
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: from the locker room.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: We want to track listeners, not scared them away. I
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: mean that's not going to be good for anybody.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: Hello, everyone back for the locker room and a busy
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: day in the locker room. I would say, uh, Stefan Diggs,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: he's been speaking every Wednesday.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: So he has good stuff to say, seemed a little
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: locked in, seem a little serious stuff.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: He did comment on that five to ten thing that
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: he said, which I think we talked about yesterday on
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: the show, and kind of confirm what we said.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: He said, you know, if I said eight or nine
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: or ten, like I wouldn't be doing as much as
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I should.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: So he said, you know, guys know how much I'm grinding,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: But that's more about I feel like I've just scratched
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: the surface of, you know, my potential in this offense.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: But he did say the offense is you know, can
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: be complicated and there can be some twist to it.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: So but he seems excited to go back to Buffalo.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: Spoke highly of their fans and you know, Josh Allen
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: and just you know, the whole program. Didn't seem like,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: you know, he had any you know, ill will or
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: anything towards that. Just spoke highly of the whole operation there.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: Talked to Milton Williams as well, who decided to get
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: on Prime Time, said his comment about the offensive line
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: remind him Buffalo's offensive line reminded him of Philadelphia last year.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: Said they're just all I think, he said, giant humans.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: You know, and he said, then even Josh is back
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: there and he's big as well.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: So that was his take.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones commented, excited and you know, spreading credit.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Around on the special teams for his return.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying usually I wrote it, and the thing
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: I did today said, you know, I just want to
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: get the first down. He wants to get those first
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: ten yards and you know, try to give the offense
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a boost. And then the last
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: and was christians All was just getting ready to get
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: up there and then take on these receivers. Not a
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: ton to stay from him, But I thought thing I
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: would say, Jalen Hawkins didn't seem like he.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Was gear enough to go out to practice, so he
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: left the game with a hamstring.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: Injury, speculating a little bit he could still throw his
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: pads on here in the last ten minutes and get
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: out there.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: But that's going to get his Kyle Dugger game.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: Could be a Kyle Duggar back in the mix at
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: safety perhaps, So we'll see how that all that all
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: plays out. But yeah, really busy day, like crowded, crowded, crowded,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: and this is becoming a thing.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: Now on Wednesday, it's you know, a lot of interviews.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: I think it's Papa Gino's unless they didn't unless they
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: didn't update it from last weeks.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, shoot, I forget what his name is,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: Nick something from w b Z, but he he was
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: just getting all these interviews going.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody's getting in there. So it was uh, it was productive.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: It was productive. You know here from a lot of
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: these guys in.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: Our new segment for Wednesday, eyes on Evan, Evan talking.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Evan was talking a little bit. I caught Evan
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: talking to Milton Williams a little bit. Then I saw him,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: you know, go up and say lit some of.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: The Marcus Jones.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quietly, just a.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Private private party, just the just the two of us.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 6: I know more.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: Uh, they're all good guys, Yeah, I know more so
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: we can talk on a level.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: You don't have to dumb it down for me.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: A little bit of a shout out to to Karen
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: who asked step Digs. She's like, you know, you come
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: to playing all are you comfortable playing all around the offense?
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: You know, inside outside, So she's she didn't frame it
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: as like he is the slot guy. So that was good.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: You know, he said, that's that's what makes me me.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: I can line up everywhere.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: And you know that is part of what makes him,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: uh Digs because he has been able to do that
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: throughout his career. He's a versatile guy.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I just don't think if people realize it that, like
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: if you couldn't play on the outside, that would be
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: a very bad sign, you know, like if you can
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: only play on the inside.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: He's like, you can't get all coverage anymore. Like you know,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: he's he's he's slowing down.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: That's uh.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: I mean maybe you'll get there eventually, but no good
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: good day in the locker room though they all seem
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge this is a you know, big game, big
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: opportunity and excited to play on Sunday night football.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: But I worry about with that the offense in general,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: like how much of that is Well. They decided to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: do some different things with Digs on Sunday because of
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: a specific matchup, a game plan, right, and we knew
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: that he could beat this Mike Jackson guy, and you know,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: we wanted to sort of you know, matchup hunt, as
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: Evan likes to say, you know, and they hunted the
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: matchup and they won the matchup more often than not.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: But next week or you know, some other game, it
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: might they might not feel the same way.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, my apologies whoever wrote in and reprimanded
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: me for you know, rooing for the bills a little bit.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: But this really stuck with you throughout the locker room,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: But it's just like you when you were in there, Well,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: you listen to the players that I'm like, they're saying
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: the same thing we say. They're all just you know,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: and it really impressed with with what good players they
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: have on this team, and especially Josh Allen. It's you know,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: everyone knows how good he is. I think someone of
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: the questions like you know what makes him so good?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: And that someone's like just turn on the tape like everything.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you. It used to bug me when you know,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: when your team beats another team and you spent that
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: whole week saying how bad the other team is, how
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: overrated they are, and I would just look at and
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: what have you done? What if you accomplished that? I mean,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: you beat Josh Allen. He's a stiff. You've told me
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: all week he was overrated. He hasn't beaten anybody all
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: year and obviously that's not happening this week. I'm just like, no,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: but that would happen. Never earned the dynasty.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: That would happen every week.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: And then and then I was supposed to come in
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday for the next show, and No, I was
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: supposed to say how wonderful the Patriots were for shutting
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: that said stiff down, like you told me it was
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: going to happen. You were right. I don't know what
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: you're so excited about now, you know.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: So that's why you do the Belichick way. You pump
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: up here, but I know you.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: Pumping them up. No, but I'm analyzing what I thought.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: I know. But you focus on the positives for the
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: opponent always, always before they know.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: But that's coach.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: Like the coach.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: Fans don't have to pump up the opponent. What I'm saying,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: if the fan really doesn't think Josh Allen's any good,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: Evan's given him too many fans, it's not a big
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: big deal to you if they win. And I don't
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: think there are very many fans that objectively think that
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's staying. I think there's still some in the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: media that if push came to shove and they had
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: to put a hand on a bible. They would tell
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: you that I'm not gonna out anybody.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: I think the windows closing on the bills, and I
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: would love it. I would love for the Patriots to
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: be part of closing that window, slamming that way.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: I could totally see in like twenty twenty nine, like
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's like, you know, limping out there, finally taking it,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: finally taking one too many hits and he's done. And
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: Fred was like, well, I told you the window was closed.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: I mean that might be the most one or not
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: the most, but one of the most impressive things to
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: me is just with the amount of contact that he takes.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: I think Brabel say contact courage today.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: I like that that he hasn't what about route integrity.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: Route integrity, I don't like that one as much, but yeah,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: contact courage is good.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: So while you were going, we were talking about the
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Rabel press conference a little bit, and there was one
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: part that kind of I noticed. Yeah, he was talking
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: about the offensive game plan and he said that he
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: will talk with Thomas Brown and Todd Down and then
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: they'll present it to Josh.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Did you catch that I didn't catch that, but that
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: that would be Uh, I didn't catch that might have
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: been when I stepped out.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I did not catch that. Uh you know,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: I just uh, I wish.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Thatting in the offensive in this you know, kind of
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: offensive throne. And then they come and here's what we
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: have for this will.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: I do remember the manner. I do remember quite specifically
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: in that NFL Network documentary on Belichick from the nine season,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: and Brady is sitting with Belichick in Belichick's office and
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: they're going over to this, that and the other thing
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: about and he goes, Okay, I'm gonna go uh, I'm
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: gonna go check in with Billy. Oh like, So clearly
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: the game plan was being discussed with Belichick and Brady
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: and then they went and presented it.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: So though it could be a similar thing.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, I don't know.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just why didn't anyone else hear that?
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: We're gonna we'll check the transcript on that.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: But Matt Morrell, they couldn't find that clip for me.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 12: I have the audio, Let's play it, talk with with
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 12: Todd and Thomas and get some preliminary thoughts and some
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 12: things that we may like and then be able to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 12: present it to Josh as we work due to week.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: So you know, those guys are as involved as they
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: always have been.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I was I did I did hear that?
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: Interesting? That's interesting?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know, I think it's interesting.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: I just wish that maybe we could be a little
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: bit more aware of the storylines and just kind of
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: you know, Bill would used to know what the storylines
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: were and purposely take steps to make sure you're cutting
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: those things off of the paths.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: And I think it is the opposite.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: Oh soap opera, soap opera time. As the Patriots turn, well,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's you know, it could be.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it couldn't be, but I just take
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: it just how do they do things? What's the procedure
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: on getting you know, the offensive game pin. I just
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: think it's interesting that Vrabel is part of that preliminary
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: crew that then presents it to Josh. It's not like, okay,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: the crew presents it to Josh, Josh comes up to
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: the plan and then Vrabel okays it. It seems like
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: it's the other way around, right, you know, like now
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: ultimately maybe still Verbel has the final say, who knows.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: But I just it's just to me interesting.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Did you say Thomas and Todd does that with the Okay?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, just got down the receivers coach in the
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: past game coordinator right right? Okay, yeah, I mean it's uh,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: maybe someone has to follow see exactly what the what
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: the methodology is again, like it's another thing behind the
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: screen that you don't really know of, you know, how
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: are these things organized?
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: And right? I just that's all. I just thought it
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: was interesting. I'm not want to create a soap opera here.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: Do you remember what other eighty sevens I may have
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: left out?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: Ben Coates?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, I would have gotten to that, Okay, I closed.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: I came Dawson about early two thousands receiver, Yeah.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: David gibbons Y Mike, Mike would have jumped.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: On that one. Okay, Yeah.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a little five guys that were eighty
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: seven between eighty one and Gronk or something like.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: That with six have warn him. But besides Gronk, five
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: others who are they? Okay? Yeah, then Dawson Cots, Ben Coates,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: David given, David gibbons and then I closed my computers.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: Jack Westover counts like he changed right from eighty seven
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: to thirty seven, he did.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be it for this edition
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. But don't worry. We'll be back tomorrow Thursday.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: We've got to do picks and any preview. Paul, how
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: did the group do? Oh boy? As a group? How
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: do we do?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: You just continue? It was not I'm not asking for
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: my It was not a good week for the entirety
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: of the panel. Okay, but once again, you and you
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: and Alex.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Was it particularly terrible for anyone, he asked squeamishly.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think it might have been. Was I
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: was a little better this week? Oh it's still on
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: last week.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: You'll get back.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: You'll get your feet someday. Yeah, someday.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had a tough off season, so, like you know,
• 1:58:06
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