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John Loeffler: Collapsing Narratives On Climate, Gaza, Immigration · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey, friends.
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God bless you.
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Thanks for watching and sharing the podcast.
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And Leffler is with us, formerly of Steel on Steel Radio, great podcast for years.
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And I know John Leffler, anyway, let's bring in broadcast journalist John Leffler.
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He can get info on him at Candelite Christian Fellowship and his email, John at steelonsteel.com.
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Can't wait to talk about collapsing narratives.
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John Leffler, welcome to World View Matters.
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Greetings.
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Good to be black.
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Actually, I'm not back.
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The first time we've done this show, right?
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Yeah, we did some audio in the past where we talked to, solved a lot of world's problems.
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And here we are continuing.
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But let's start with, can you, you're a watchman on the wall, at least I consider you that.
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Can you really retire if you're a watchman on the wall?
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No, we did our radio show for 32 years.
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I've been in broadcasting since 1965.
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Wow.
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But about two thirds of it in news talks, some of it's secular, a lot of it Christian narrative.
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And after 32 years of tracking everything and we always dealt with the trends and got
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ahead of the curve, we were tried to stay six months out because there's so many data points
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in there.
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And I still do that.
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And since now is I'm just appearing on people's radio shows when I'm asked to do it rather
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than doing a daily show, which as you know, you know, people think radio is a glamour
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sport.
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It, yeah, there's a sort of a glamour side to it.
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But if you're going to do really good radio or podcast, there's a lot of research and
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effort, typically eight hours to do a one or two hour show.
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Wow.
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And so I finally decided, no, I need some perspective.
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So that's where we are.
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You were daily, too, right?
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Yeah, we were daily.
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Wow.
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For one, one time we were four to six PM drive time, we started in Denver, Colorado and
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had a pretty big listening audience on the front range.
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And then it expanded to different networks.
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And over the time you get thrown off some networks and added by other, it's the, the
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the fate of broadcast, right?
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Is it, you know, is good use to it.
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So John, where can people hear some of your past radio shows or your recent videos?
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Is it on rumble, candlelight Christian fellowship?
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Where else?
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We did a couple of recent things on the Middle East at candlelight Christian fellowship.
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And you can either go to their site, candlelight.org or go to rumble and search candlelight Christian
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fellowship.
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And there it is, a stone of stumbling.
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And we talked about the Middle East and how narratives are unraveling.
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Narratives are unraveling everywhere now.
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And that's what's going to guide where we are headed in the future days as they're
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heading in our direction.
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So let's talk about these collapsing narratives and the response, which is fascinating.
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I think there's a lot of pride involved.
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So they don't like it when narratives collapse.
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But I just want to toss out one to you right now.
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We've been hearing a lot about Christian nationalism.
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And since January six, a few years ago, they're trying to put Christians, conservatives,
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maybe Republicans, maybe independence, just patriotic Americans into one basket saying
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you're extreme, you're Christian nationalists announced, used in a derogatory way.
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Would that be one of the narratives?
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And will that collapse?
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That's more of a recent one.
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Yeah.
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That one is not a narrative propping everything up.
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And there are aspects of Christian nationalism, which I don't think we would subscribe to.
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Right.
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I can't endorse that openly.
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But what happens when a word like that becomes weaponized is that first it starts with
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a pretty concise definition like racist, all right.
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But then as it has its impact, people go, well, gee, golly-woolickers, that's a great
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word.
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Let's spread it out.
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And so then the definition tends to broaden out until finally becomes so broad that it
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doesn't mean anything anymore.
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And people are just basically, you know, somebody says, you're a racist, yeah, whatever.
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You have anything to contribute to the conversation, you know.
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And so that's the reason that is being weaponized right now is they understand that the Christian
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right has become a very important force and they're keeping their troops freaked out.
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And you really saw this freak out during the COVID lockdowns where, say, for example, people
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who had medical dispensation from wearing a mask and a police, let's not go back into
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that issue.
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Right.
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They'd go out to shop and there would be people up on their faces screaming at them in
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terror that they were the ones responsible for, you know, spreading the disease and killing
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babies and kids and all of that.
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And that shows you how susceptible a very sizable part of our population is to these narratives.
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And so that narrative right there is it's broadening out what they want to do is take
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the term white Christian nationalist and then smear it all over everything.
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And at candlelight, we saw an example of that.
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You can still find the documentary on YouTube, which was done by the Times of London and
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they came in and they try, they interviewed a bunch of people at the church and other
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parts of the area.
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And the whole issue is why so many conservatives were moving to North Idaho and they started
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out by saying, Oh, it's a great place.
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You have lakes and forests and mountains and hiking trails and bears and things like
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that.
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And then and they showed a bunch of pictures and we have a five star resort.
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And then they went, Oh, but Idaho has a dollar, okay.
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And then went back to the white area nation supremacist group that were here 25 years
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ago, but are no longer here and tried to connect our church, which is a Calvary Affiliated
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type of church with the white area nations.
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And you know, when the producer was here videotaping this, I went up and talked to him and said,
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Hi, I'm so and so and blah, blah, blah, and they did interview me.
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And I said, Are you here to do a documentary or a hit piece?
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And he gave me that typical progressive media look.
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You know, it's the like that, which means they're either blank inside or they realized
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they've been had and they interviewed me and they didn't use one second of the interview
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that I gave them because I didn't give them the juicy stuff they were looking for.
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You know, so they came in with a narrative.
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They just wanted stuff to reinforce the narrative and they go back and tell lies about
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us.
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And that's what that narrative Christian nationalism is all about.
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What would be one before we get into some you sent me in an email, including climate
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change.
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That's a big one.
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We've got to talk about.
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But what about we've got a big election coming up this year if there is going to be
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an election.
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I hope there is in 2024 in November.
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So what would be a narrative?
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They seem to be pointing a lot of people to to Trump and versus Biden and making about
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the personality rather than policy platform and procedure.
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But is there a narrative about the election or about Trump that you can share with us
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that might be crumbling or collapsing?
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No, because it's all part of silly season.
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What do you mean?
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Well, election is silly season in which all sorts of people say all sorts of things about
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their opponents that they can't prove.
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Let me give you an example, the whole issue of NATO.
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Trump made a comment when he was talking about NATO and he told Ursula Funderline, the
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head of NATO, not NATO, but the European Union, that, you know, if you guys don't
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mess up and start supporting your share of NATO the way you're supposed to, you get attacked.
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We're not going to come to your aid.
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Oh my gosh.
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Immediately.
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But the chattering classes just go eight doodles over the whole thing, you know.
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And in context, you understand what he's saying.
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Look, NATO is a group organization.
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You're not paying your fair share.
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You're not taking it seriously.
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So why should we?
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But they take one line out of context and then it's hours of commentary on MSLSD, you
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know, and the communist news network and some of the other unreliable channels of news.
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And I can speak as a professional of over five decades.
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I wouldn't go to them to for an honest report on news.
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I'd always have to corroborate it somewhere else, but so go ahead.
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John Leffler, before we go to climate change, yeah, talk about Gaza.
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I haven't had you on since, you know, what happened last October 7th, the demonic horrific
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attacks by Hamas on Israel.
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And I don't know what you mean as far as collapsing narrative where Gaza is concerned.
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So explain that.
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Okay.
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Well, in 1988, Hamas was founded.
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Its purpose is the gentle side of destruction of Israel.
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It has not changed in that and it still swears to it to this day.
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And even with the head of Hamas being in hiding, he's still trying to achieve that by getting
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the Arab world to revolt against Israel and to attack them.
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Okay.
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So, you know, from this, the power, here's an narrative from the river to the sea, Palestine
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will be free.
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Gaza was free.
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Gaza was free.
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You know, from 2005, the Israelis withdrew from it.
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They were gone 18, 19 years.
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The Israelis were gone.
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Did Hamas do anything with Gaza?
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Well, first of all, Hamas was selected in 2006 as representative of that part of the
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Palestinian government 2007.
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They revolted violently against Fataat was an armed war and sure enough, all the media
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just sat there and go, Oh, Jigali will occur, Jigali will occur.
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And from that moment on, Hamas has launched hundreds of thousands of missiles and rockets
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into Israel, launched incursions across the border, murdered Israelis yet, yet, yet,
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yet.
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And finally, it hit its peak on October 7th of last year when they killed over 1200 people,
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wounded over 5,000.
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I forget how many women they raped, blah, blah, blah, and Israel found they said, Basta,
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I love that Italian word.
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You know what that means.
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Basta, it's enough.
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Stop.
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Enough.
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Right.
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It's enough.
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And they said, we're going to take, take these people out.
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That's all we're going to do.
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Now, as soon as that happened, the world was shocked.
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And just like with the Trump election, the media goes into because it doesn't match their
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narrative.
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The narrative is the Jews came in in the beginning of the 20th century and occupied land that
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was owned by the Palestinians.
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That's not true.
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It's not historically true.
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That's what I did in these series, Stone of Stumbling.
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The land was empty.
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There were some Arab towns.
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There were some Yazidi villages, etc.
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The majority population in Jerusalem was Jewish, not Arab at the time.
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And they came in and they bought every scrap of land they bought.
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And finally, when we got to 1948, the UN said, look, we need to partition this into
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a small Jewish state.
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And the Arabs can have everything else, including generally, generally Jerusalem, as well,
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which is what they want.
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Israel said, please, we want to live in peace with our neighbors.
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Please, please, please, let's just sign this agreement and get on with life.
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The Arab world said, no, they attacked Israel.
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They attacked again in 1967.
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They attacked again in 1973.
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And now this is the next major attack.
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There have been a couple of others.
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So as soon as it happened, they go into this two days of obituaries, as I call them, until
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they figure out how they can flip it.
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Because the BBC, CNN, all these groups, they're notoriously anti-Israel.
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And I was saying to my wife at the time, watch, they're going to have to try to flip the
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narrative to make the heavies Israel and the victims of the Palestinians, the Hamas Palestinians
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in Gaza right now.
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As they believe in the communist narrative that the West adheres to under wocus pocus.
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And that is there are oppressors and oppressed.
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And Israel has to be the oppressor.
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And so within a couple of days, they had that rocket explode in the parking lot of the hospital.
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A lot of people were killed immediately, immediately without missing a beat.
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The BBC was on it and CNN and the other groups were right behind them, like Queen Elizabeth's
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Orgis after sausage.
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Okay.
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And they were going, you know, Israel bombed this hospital, look at the dead, okay, well, it turns
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out, of course, it was a Hamas missile that's very short and they should have known because
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over 10 to 30% of these missiles fail and they fall short into their own territory.
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But then the damage was done and then when Israel invaded and they said, look at all these
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people suffering.
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Look at all this.
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Look at all that.
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Now, as you brought it on yourself, now, I don't want to see people suffer.
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I wanted to be peaceful.
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I hate to see kids get killed in war.
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It's a terrible, terrible thing.
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But at least see it through the eyes of what was happening there.
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And so if you notice the Netanyahu government is determined to see this to its true end
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regardless of the world, the other narratives that have collapsed among the Israeli left,
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the narratives of the Israeli leftist elitists have been, well, the issue is just land.
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And if we just come up with a treaty and give them land and they get a government and we
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get land, then everything will be okay.
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Gaza completely shattered that myth.
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The idea that the Palestinians want peace, it's been shattered.
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The idea that a two-state solution is wanted by anybody in Israel or the Palestinians
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overwhelmingly, that's been shattered.
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But that's the policy that the Biden administration is pursuing, trying to hammer together a two-state
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solution.
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Well, what will guarantee your peace partner, who's your peace partner here?
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You have Israel's on one side.
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They say, okay, we'll respect the terms of a treaty.
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But Hamas didn't observe those terms that were already signed in some of the agreements
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from Oslo.
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The West Bank, you know, Fatah government hasn't done that.
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They've been a launching platform for terrorists into Israel ever since the second into Fatah erupted
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after the collapse of the peace talks in 2001.
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So who is your peace partner?
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You have to have a stable state.
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So then they come in and they say, oh, okay, well, we'll provide international guarantees.
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Okay, well, we've already determined that whether we look at Rwanda or what's going on between
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Russia and Ukraine, international guarantees don't mean zilch.
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Okay, because they write these guarantees down.
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But a couple of years later, when it comes time to call it do, the countries that make
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the guarantees go, you know, I don't know if the Brits can do this, oh, shucky do.
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Gully Willaker is, we are just so preoccupied with other things.
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We don't know if we want to do that, you know, and this is what happens.
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So look at the Budapest memorandum, Great Britain, United States, Russia, and I think France
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all agreed that Russia would respect the sovereignty of all of its neighboring countries
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after the Soviet Union fell.
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That's been totally shattered.
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Russia went into Georgia, Russia's gone into Ukraine.
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And that narrative is falling apart.
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The narrative of the right that Putin's a good guy is falling apart.
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He's not upholding Western Christian values.
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He's persecuting churches like evangelicals, Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons,
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and other non-official denominations.
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In Eastern Ukraine, they are shutting down institutions like Christian orphanages,
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et cetera.
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Anything that's non-orthodox is being shut down by the Russians.
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You really have to look wholeheartedly at what's going on and understand that there's a lot
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of crossover going now, David, that's, and I predicted this as early as 2000s, that
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you're going to start to see weird crossovers between groups that we thought were allied
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or enemies, and suddenly people you thought were enemies are agreeing with each other,
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and people you thought friends disagree.
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You mean, we're bedfellows, is that what you mean?
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We're bedfellows.
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Strange bedfellows, so to speak.
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Yes, strange bedfellows, you know, and sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, but you
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have to look at it with what I call truth-oriented eyes, not narrative eyes, okay?
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Your narrative must derive from the truth.
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Well, one of the most ridiculous, I guess, partnerships, yeah, would be the LGBTQ marching
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for Palestine, pro-Palestine.
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Like, this makes no sense whatsoever.
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Saying from the river to the sea, which means wipe out Israel, right, that's what that
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means, but they're on college campuses, and because what you said, very insightful,
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there's got to be a victim, there's got to be an oppressed oppressor.
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So Marxism, they're all familiar with, they're all behind Marxist principles in K through
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12, and now at the university level in America.
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Now, so you see these odd things, they're marching for Palestine, just share your thoughts
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on that before we get to climate change.
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Well, that's because of relativism, and all of focus, focus is based on relative ideas
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that come out of postmodern, which most millennials have been trained in in postmodern ideas
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and thinking, and therefore you wind up with this giant panoply of conflicting self, self-contradicting
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ideas.
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And that's what intersectionality is all about, intersectionality is supposed to harmonize
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all of these contradictions by simply ranking whose contradiction trumps somebody else's
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contradiction.
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I mean, it's really, it's insane, David, you know, well, it is to you and me, right,
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and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever because, you know, and for the situation, say,
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for the Uighur Muslims in Western China, who are being very badly persecuted, along
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with the Christians of China, they've been thrown in concentration camps to over a million
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or something like this.
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And I was talking to the head of the Uighur representative government in exile, and I
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finally said, well, you know, you're a Muslim, and these are all Muslims.
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What are all the Muslim countries doing to defend these people?
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And he said, they're not.
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So the people who are defending them are the Jews and the Christians.
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Go figure.
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So, yeah, it's like one of these go figure, yeah.
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So John, explain to us how the climate change narrative is collapsing.
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I mean, there's so much information for those who really want to look it up in research
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about what is actually happening worldwide with the climate and with the global warming.
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Right, right.
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I mean, people just buy the talking points.
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They buy the narrative.
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They follow their favorite, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio, or their favorite celebrity over
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the, you know, and then, okay, I'll be behind saving the planet and climate change.
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But what happens, what you said earlier, is they double down instead of saying, okay,
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this is collapsing here, you say they double down rather than repent or admit that the
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policies are failing or what they're talking about is not true.
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So go ahead and share your thoughts about that.
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Well, this one is fun, like the pilot who shot down Yamamoto's aircraft during World
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War II, I said, I'm going to follow this one down to the ground to make sure it burns
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in flames because we've heard nothing, nothing but garbage for the last 35 years.
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Oh, my goodness.
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I know.
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I want to take everything.
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I don't care whether you think there is warming or there isn't warming that it's man-made
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that's zero to plays role in it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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There's always a gorilla in the room that nobody ever wants to talk about.
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And the gorilla is, okay, big shot, like Senator Secretary Kerry are theoretically
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envoy to climate change who just left that post.
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What are you going to do about it?
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Well, we're going to hit net zero by 2030 or 2050 and you're going to do this how because
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you need to understand the entire world's economy by economy.
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I mean, food, clothing, shelter, healthcare for the world's population is driven by oil
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and natural gas and only secondarily by nuclear or hydro, hydro is a very sustainable source
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of energy.
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And then by a minor sense, wind and solar, what will you replace it with?
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Yeah, crickets.
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We're going to drive electric, we're going to drive electric cars.
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Oh, really?
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Well, now, okay, if you're going to have millions of electric cars with all these lithium
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exploding batteries in them, you're going to have to use millions of watts every night,
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you know, ampere draw to charge those batteries.
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Where will that power come from since you're, you want to bring down the dams, you want
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to shut down the nuclear power plants and Europe is discovering this now that there is
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nothing we can do in the short term with the technology.
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This is just nothing there.
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And when, say, for example, President Biden finally deep six, the keystone pipeline after
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10 years of these companies jumping through hoops and complying with everything, companies
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can't afford this, say, you know, the green crazy, the ones who are crazy in the environmental
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movement are going, well, yeah, but there were riots in Pakistan because Christian families
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and Muslim families were being shoved below subsistence levels by the outrageous cost of gasoline,
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which was driving it crazy is nothing we can do.
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That's the collapsing narrative until we get new and alternative energies that work and
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are economically sustainable.
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And up until now, it's just all Baldur dash.
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It's all, you know, and Secretary Kerry, you know, in an interview upon leaving his
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opposed, it's just ringing his hands.
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And by the way, he's been on the wrong side of every issue since the Vietnam war days.
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And he's ringing his hands, boy, we're just not cutting back carbon.
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You can't do it.
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We have a fragile world economy, Dave.
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There's the next collapsing narrative that we can borrow ourselves into oblivion with
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no inflation that we can we can do all sorts of unhealthy things, the name of social spending.
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We are endangering our national security.
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Europe is especially endangering its national security.
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The prices of energy are going through the roof in Europe.
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They have made themselves dependent on Russia on one source, very bad idea.
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That's natural gas for generating for heat, et cetera.
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These are, this is reality politics.
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This is the real world compared to the ones where we pretend those gorillas in the room
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don't exist, you know?
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And they're collapsing, but we remember we're going to pay a heavy penalty.
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The more they keep the narrative going and narrative is keep going because people base
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their careers on these narratives, the worst the tension becomes, the more damage that's
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done and the bigger the crash or the explosion when it finally implodes.
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Yeah, I just to see you and I might see some narratives collapsing and then we see so
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many people that just aren't willing to look at the truth or look at reality or do any
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research.
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They just still believe the talking points.
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We can stand on, you know, climate change.
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We do a whole hour on climate change, but I want you to touch and we've got three minutes
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left, John.
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Sorry about that.
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But you're pro talk about immigration, talk about the southern border.
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What's the collapsing narrative there?
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Well, the collapsing narrative is that once again, you have national security issues, Europe's
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discovering it.
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And that's because of the fact that right now the teachers association for headmasters
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in France is now protesting because the Muslim population there are threatening to kill
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headmasters that have to discipline their kids.
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They're discovering that you cannot take two populations with different world views and
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smash them together in large numbers and hope that you will will not have problems.
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Part of it's not quite as bad where we have been because the people coming up from Latin
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America about 80% share a Christian world view coming out of European civilization.
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Islamic situation, civilization and western sieve are not compatible in their current forms.
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There's a small group of moderate Muslims who want to see Islam reform, but that's the
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lesson we've learned.
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We're endangering national security.
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We have 20% of the people coming across are from other countries, military age men.
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We don't know what they're doing, large numbers of Chinese, large numbers of Middle
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Easterners.
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Are they setting up sleeper cells in the US?
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We don't know.
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Okay.
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Do you think that's going to be a huge issue when it comes to the election in November?
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Yeah, I think that'll be a huge issue.
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The same thing in Europe, you're noticing that the populace is more and more not believing
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what the government is saying.
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And that's happening in Europe, the rise of the AFD party.
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They call it far right and blah, blah, blah and neo-Nazi, etc.
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But despite everything that the media have said about AFD, the polls are still polling
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about 40% among the German populace and the same thing is here.
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I'm not listening anymore.
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I don't care what the people on the view say, they're idiots, you know, who cares what CNN
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says.
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I don't go there for news.
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Who cares what Rachel made out says, I don't care, you know, it's nothing important.
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It's not the real world.
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Exactly.
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John, wish we had more time to catch up.
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But it's so good to reconnect with you after a while and good to see you getting back
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into it.
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If I want to lead people to Candelite Christian Fellowship on YouTube and Rumble, if you
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want to watch Israel, a stone of stumbling with John Leffler, go look that up on YouTube
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and Rumble as well.
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There it is.
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And John, we just appreciate all the hard work you put in for years, man.
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Like I said earlier, you're glutton for punishment.
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32 years.
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Oh my goodness, but thanks for your time, brother.
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No problem.
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God bless.
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God bless you.
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We'll hopefully connect again soon.
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Friends, thanks again for sharing the podcast.
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That's how it's getting out there and we appreciate you.
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God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.