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Lucy Baldwin · Postcards to the Universe

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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  Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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  Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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  Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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  Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Melissa Capria.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with
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  Speaker 2: Melissa Creating the Life you crave. How is everybody doing
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  Speaker 2: on this Wednesday? I hope that you're doing well today.
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  Speaker 2: I have really interesting guests Lucy Baldwin, and she's going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about planetary magic and shadow alchemy and
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  Speaker 2: she's going to join me. She'll come out in just
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  Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. To my regulars, I want to
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  Speaker 2: say thank you so much. I really appreciate you joining
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  Speaker 2: me each week. And if you're new to my show,
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  Speaker 2: I want to say welcome. I am an author. You
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  Speaker 2: can see over my head that's the cover of my
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  Speaker 2: book Postcards to the Universe. Harness the Universe's power and
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  Speaker 2: manifest your dreams.
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  Speaker 3: And I have.
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  Speaker 2: People create manifesting postcards, and a manifesting postcard is kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a mini vision board. You can also see
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  Speaker 2: the photos. Those are some of the postcards. I photograph them,
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  Speaker 2: and when the person's manifestation shows up in the reality,
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  Speaker 2: I like to share their stories. So they're really fun
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  Speaker 2: to make. They're really powerful, and I decided to make
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  Speaker 2: those into an oracle deck. I haven't published the Oracle
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  Speaker 2: Deck yet, but I do do readings on my YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: It's on Instagram to talk Facebook, but YouTube, it seems
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  Speaker 2: I like YouTube the best because I don't get cut off,
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  Speaker 2: you know after three minutes, and then YouTube I could
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  Speaker 2: put the whole video. So I like to do a reading,
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  Speaker 2: I'll shuffle the deck and I will pull a card.
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  Speaker 2: So I did do that earlier today. So today's message
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  Speaker 2: is this is the Oracle deck, I mean the Oracle card.
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  Speaker 2: And the message is when you believe in magic, magical
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  Speaker 2: things happen, right. It's like what you believe is what
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  Speaker 2: comes true, right, That's what we focus on is what
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  Speaker 2: shows up in our reality. So if you believe in magic,
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  Speaker 2: magical things will happen in your life.
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  Speaker 3: And I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a conversation with Lucy, and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about planetary magic. I'm learning more and
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  Speaker 2: more about astrology. I'm going to start taking some astrology
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  Speaker 2: courses this year, and I want to learn more about
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  Speaker 2: how I can even go even deeper. I've also started
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  Speaker 2: reading Tero on my YouTube channel, so I'll do a
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  Speaker 2: general reading, just a question that comes to me. I'll
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  Speaker 2: do a three card spreads. So if you're interested, I
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  Speaker 2: would love for you to come over to my YouTube
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  Speaker 2: and check out those videos. And I do short inspirational
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  Speaker 2: talking videos like Whatever's on my mind, So please check
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  Speaker 2: that out. All right, So I want to find out
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  Speaker 2: with planetary magic and shadow alchemy, and so let's bring
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  Speaker 2: Lucy Baldwin on. And Lucy teaches planetary magic and shadow
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  Speaker 2: alchemy and she helps people actualize their dreams and find
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  Speaker 2: their own innate power by relating using a variety of
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  Speaker 2: life changing methodologies such as existential kink and ritual. And
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  Speaker 2: she also serves as a priestess in Mystery School and
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  Speaker 2: she trains other practitioners. She offers courses and a podcast
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  Speaker 2: on planetary magic, teaching people how to work with the
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  Speaker 2: planets as allies. I love this to reshape their identity,
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  Speaker 2: find harmony with reality, and manifest lives that actually reflect
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  Speaker 2: their desire and power. Right, And you can find out
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  Speaker 2: all about her if you go to her website, which
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  Speaker 2: is listed in the description, but I'll just say it.
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  Speaker 2: It's www dot ramolinacoaching dot com and you'll you can
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  Speaker 2: find out all the information about her. So welcome, they see,
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  Speaker 2: how are you doing great?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited you'ing
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  Speaker 4: my bio. I mean, I know, right, sound sood?
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  Speaker 3: I know data love that.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I'm on somebody else's show and they read
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  Speaker 2: my bio, I'm like, oh wow, I've done some things.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: So what is I mean the way that you describe
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  Speaker 2: planetary magic? Because everybody knows what astrology is. Most people
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  Speaker 2: know what their sun sign is, not that many people
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  Speaker 2: know anything else about their own chart, and how the
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  Speaker 2: planets are so much more influential in our own birth
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  Speaker 2: charts than just our sun sign.
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  Speaker 3: Right, how we present? So I'm just gonna turn it
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  Speaker 3: over to you. Tell us about how you got into.
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  Speaker 2: This work and a little bit more about what planetary
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  Speaker 2: magic is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because I am not actually much of
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  Speaker 4: an astrologer. I am interesting, Yeah, and I'm learning more
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  Speaker 4: about astrology now because I came in from the planetary
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  Speaker 4: magic angle from the beginning, So just working with the
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  Speaker 4: planets as allies and sort of petitioning them or doing
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  Speaker 4: and doing rituals with them to call in what I
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  Speaker 4: want to manifest things. Really, I started out basically I
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  Speaker 4: was broke and my life was a mess, and this
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  Speaker 4: was what I found and used it along with what
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  Speaker 4: I call shadow alchemy to kind of get my life
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  Speaker 4: together and then start building from there. So I never
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  Speaker 4: really got super into astrology, but I've learned up a
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  Speaker 4: lot over the years. But the idea is that, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the planets, regardless of where they are in our natal chart,
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  Speaker 4: they have an incredible amount of influence over us, and
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  Speaker 4: you know they're these they also represent archetypes that we
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  Speaker 4: each have within us that we can kind of call forth.
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  Speaker 4: So I like to think of it as you know,
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  Speaker 4: we all have a masculine side and you know that
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  Speaker 4: would be Mars, and a feminine side which would be Venus.
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  Speaker 4: And we have this sort of expansive side that would
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  Speaker 4: be Jupiter. We have a more sort of like playful
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  Speaker 4: trickster side that would be mercury, and so we can
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  Speaker 4: call forth those archetypes within us to yeah, get what
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  Speaker 4: we want really to manifest.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting that you get it from that perspective. So
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  Speaker 2: what was the first planet you connected with?
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  Speaker 4: So the first planet that I attempted to work with
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  Speaker 4: was Jupiter, because Jupiter really is the go to for
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  Speaker 4: wealth like long term and building way.
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  Speaker 2: And expansion and every expands whatever, yeah wherever it is exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But then I didn't actually have a lot of luck
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  Speaker 4: with Jupiter at first, but I didn't give up. I
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  Speaker 4: got into Saturn because people were talking about how you
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't work with Saturn because Saturn already rules over our reality.
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  Speaker 4: So they were like, you don't need any more Saturn.
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  Speaker 4: Everything is those attorney and just don't And I was like,
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  Speaker 4: but I suck at the real world, so maybe.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I need to talk a little bit with
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  Speaker 2: Saturn and figure out.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, well, Saturn calls us a task, right, it
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  Speaker 3: is the work. We have to follow the rule.
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  Speaker 2: There are certain so even in magic and in mystical studies,
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  Speaker 2: there are rules that you have to follow, meaning there
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  Speaker 2: are nature's rules. You can't go outside of those rules
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  Speaker 2: and that's very much Saturn, right, you're a short.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, exactly. Saturn kind of makes the rules and says,
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  Speaker 4: as long as you do do it within because this
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  Speaker 4: because this is real magic, right, it's not fantasy magic,
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  Speaker 4: it's actual real magic. And Saturn says, you can't break
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  Speaker 4: the laws of physics, right, Okay, but there's still a
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  Speaker 4: lot available to us within what is physically possible. Right.
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  Speaker 4: And so somebody I was just actually on a call
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  Speaker 4: about this Saturn program that I'm teaching, and somebody was saying,
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  Speaker 4: it's like dissolve it. Working with Saturn is like dissolving
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  Speaker 4: the are sort of made up limitations to discover that
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  Speaker 4: our true limitations are so much vaster than we ever
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  Speaker 4: would have imagined. And so in that sense, Saturn can
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  Speaker 4: actually be very expansive, even though it is limitation in
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  Speaker 4: a sense and is often associated with limitation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 4: It's really yeah, sorry, no, it's really about truth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about truth. No, that's that's so great that
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  Speaker 2: you said that. Yeah, And like Pluto is very much
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  Speaker 2: about transformation, right, Like where we're going, we're transforming.
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  Speaker 3: Something is transfer.
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  Speaker 2: But I've never You're the first person i've followed astrologers
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  Speaker 2: who talk about the planets and the archetype of the planets.
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  Speaker 2: But I've never met anybody who came in the way
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  Speaker 2: that you're coming in doing it, which I find really
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  Speaker 2: really interesting and just for curiosity, and everybody probably want
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  Speaker 2: to know what is your sun sign?
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  Speaker 3: What sign are you? I?
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  Speaker 4: My sun sign is Leo. I have a big Leo stellium.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so you're and then do you what's your
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  Speaker 2: moon sign? Leo mine and Lis Leo also, and you're
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  Speaker 2: you're not a Leo rising? You're not a triple are you?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, I can. I'm bearable because I have an
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  Speaker 4: Aquarius rising, so that balances me out.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, balances you out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am a Gemini's son, but a Leo
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  Speaker 2: moon and a Leo rising.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, so yeah, I'm a Gemini. That's balanced. So
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So take us through, like somebody who wanted to say
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  Speaker 2: wants to work with you? Right, Like take us through?
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  Speaker 2: Like like what do people come to you with? Like
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  Speaker 2: do they come to you with? Like I'm struggling with finances,
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  Speaker 2: I'm struggling in relationships, I'm struggling in my career. Just
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  Speaker 2: so many things and then you sort of say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's start and how do you like start your your thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why we switched, but mercury retrograde.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So it kind of depends on the situation. It
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  Speaker 4: depends on so you can use magic for anything really,
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  Speaker 4: and my I would say my number one passion is,
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  Speaker 4: as I've sort of already alluded to, working with Saturn,
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  Speaker 4: and Saturn is really like, you know, I'm struggling with
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  Speaker 4: like Okay, it's very foundational sort of like if other
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  Speaker 4: magic isn't working, if your manifestation's not working, then there's
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  Speaker 4: some kind of like conflict in you. And Saturn helps
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  Speaker 4: us get back to like being human and facing fear,
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  Speaker 4: like if fear is something that's holding you back, or
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people just actually struggle with being human,
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  Speaker 4: Like a lot of people actually don't want to commit
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  Speaker 4: to the human experience and so we're constantly trying to
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  Speaker 4: escape it and Saturn helps us like ground into our bodies.
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  Speaker 4: But it's also dealing with time. You know, there's something
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  Speaker 4: about the human like being human is. I think partially
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  Speaker 4: what defines us is how short our life is, and
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  Speaker 4: this like sense of we don't know when it's going
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  Speaker 4: to end. Is so intrinsic in what it actually means
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  Speaker 4: to be a human, and so Saturn kind of brings
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  Speaker 4: us back to that. So I'm really passionate about Saturn.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of the people that come to me,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, I'm I have this thing that I just
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  Speaker 4: can't get out of this same cycle. It's like work
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  Speaker 4: with Saturn or you know, just like really kind of
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  Speaker 4: like duck in the muck of yeah, like resisting things
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  Speaker 4: and not being able to not being able to manifest
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  Speaker 4: in general. But sometimes yeah, but then sometimes it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I have a course on doing money magic
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  Speaker 4: that goes through actually all of the planets, so people
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  Speaker 4: who are wanting more money will take that, will come
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  Speaker 4: in for that, and then you know, Venus is like relationships,
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  Speaker 4: and so all the planets kind of connect. There's always
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  Speaker 4: a planet for whatever it is that you're trying to solve.
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  Speaker 2: Do you work with what's going on in the sky
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, do you look like what's in
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  Speaker 2: the transits when you're working with that, or you don't
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  Speaker 2: even need to. It doesn't even matter where the planets are,
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  Speaker 2: the houses that it's in that that's not it's not
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  Speaker 2: important and what you do anyway, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That is how I've approached it for most of my
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  Speaker 4: time is from the place of we don't need to
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  Speaker 4: worry about that because we're having a direct line to
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  Speaker 4: the planet. But more and more I'm starting, as I
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  Speaker 4: get more in tune with it, I do see how
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  Speaker 4: the astrology, you know. Yeah, Like, as I just have
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  Speaker 4: more of a sense of it, you know, and get
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  Speaker 4: more sort of just deeper connection, deeper relationship with the planets,
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  Speaker 4: I'm starting to realize that the astrology does try to
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  Speaker 4: play a bit of a role. But that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: that I'm just gonna that doesn't mean that if there's
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  Speaker 4: a hard transit that I'm just gonna like lay on
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  Speaker 4: the ground and just like struggle, you know, I will
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  Speaker 4: still try to kind of work with negotiate, like Okay,
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  Speaker 4: how can we make this fun?
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I'm understanding. So Saturn, you the way
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  Speaker 2: you work is more like what Saturn to archetype is
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  Speaker 2: and how we can kind of channel that in our
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  Speaker 2: life to make the changes and not necessarily that Saturn
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  Speaker 2: right now, as in you know, the first sign of
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  Speaker 2: the zodiac ares and it's starting new things, because that's
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  Speaker 2: on more of a global scale. You're working with what
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  Speaker 2: Saturn represents archetype archetypically, I don't know if I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: the word right archetecitally or whatever right through the person.
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  Speaker 2: So if if I said, okay, I want to work
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  Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to work with Saturn, what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean? Like for a person who's watching is like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I see what they're saying. But how do you work
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  Speaker 2: with Saturn?
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  Speaker 3: How? What do you? What do you do? How do
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  Speaker 3: you do that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So there's a couple of different ways, but mostly it's
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  Speaker 4: just its offerings and ritual. Okay, so literally like creating
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  Speaker 4: a ritual and making offerings and asking for things and
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  Speaker 4: and sort of that kind of thing. But then there's
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  Speaker 4: also calling the archetype fourth within us, so like invoking
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  Speaker 4: it into ourselves and becoming that archetype or embodying it.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, I think a combination of those two is
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  Speaker 4: really really powerful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what you're doing. You'd be calling calling
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  Speaker 2: in that that energy, which is what we do when
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  Speaker 2: we are praying. Basically, what's what we do when we're wishing, right,
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  Speaker 2: We're calling in and energy outside of us, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people work with gods and goddesses and the
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  Speaker 2: planet and you know, so working at with the planets
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  Speaker 2: in that way is not really.
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  Speaker 3: That big of a leap if you think about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I know, yeah, and I know a couple of
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  Speaker 2: readers who are very connected to certain planets and have
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  Speaker 2: like a relationship. Like it's like a planet is its
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  Speaker 2: own spiritual being, just like the Earth is its own
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  Speaker 2: spiritual being. So I see how that you're.
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  Speaker 3: Working with it.
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  Speaker 2: So when we walk with the planets, like how like
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  Speaker 2: how do we start? You know, for like the lay person, Like,
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  Speaker 2: what would you say.
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  Speaker 4: If we want to walk with So it's yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: mean I would recommend just even just like lighting an incense, okay,
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  Speaker 4: and sort of just saying a little so you probably
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  Speaker 4: the easiest thing, honestly is to look up on Google
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  Speaker 4: or face him to insert planet names so or fit
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  Speaker 4: him to Saturn, you know, light an incense, read that
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  Speaker 4: poem out loud or in your head, and then just
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  Speaker 4: sort of start a conversation, you know. And this is
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  Speaker 4: where it is helpful to do the offerings and ritual
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  Speaker 4: and kind of treat it as other. Right, Like I'm
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  Speaker 4: calling in an energy or an archetype or a god
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  Speaker 4: or a deity, however you want to think of it,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, relate to it as other and you
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  Speaker 4: can speak just speak directly to the planet or alternatively,
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  Speaker 4: and this works just as well and maybe more approachable
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  Speaker 4: for some people to just start kind of taking on
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  Speaker 4: the characteristics of that planet. So okay, you know, Mercury
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  Speaker 4: is kind of queer and playful and childlike, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: would wear bright colors and kind of put themselves out
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  Speaker 4: there and be silly and talkative and chatty. And so
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  Speaker 4: you know, wear orange associated with the color orange, So
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  Speaker 4: maybe wear orange and eat oranges and you know, play
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  Speaker 4: a game with some kids, read Doctor Seuss, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and that can also start to kind of yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: the fire of connection with that, with that archetype.
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  Speaker 2: And and what's so interesting now that as I'm learning
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  Speaker 2: more about astrology, we are doing that already in each
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  Speaker 2: of our individual lives unknowingly, right, Like you you know,
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  Speaker 2: like with me being at my Gemini and I also
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  Speaker 2: have Mercury and Gemini, right, so I I have a
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  Speaker 2: radio show, you know what I mean, Like I'm having
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  Speaker 2: conversations all the time like that wasn't a choice that
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  Speaker 2: I said, Oh, because I'm a Gemini, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: do this. It was just something that I was called
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  Speaker 2: to do, which is very much Gemini, right. And then
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  Speaker 2: with my leo, I'm an artist, I'm creative. I have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of passion about art, and that just sort
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  Speaker 2: of flew through me. And that's where I'm my happiest
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  Speaker 2: when I'm creating. So it's we're already living out these
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  Speaker 2: archetypes in our own lives. So what you're offering people,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like, is now we can consciously think about, oh,
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  Speaker 2: who am I connecting with right now?
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  Speaker 3: What do I want to bring forward?
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  Speaker 2: And I was listening to somebody talking about that sometimes
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  Speaker 2: when we have a lack of a certain planet in
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  Speaker 2: our our chart, our natal chart, we.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we the energy of, that is what.
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  Speaker 2: We need to bring into our life because it's in lack.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? What? One hundred percent? And I was just wanting
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  Speaker 4: to say, and that's exactly where I was going to
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  Speaker 4: go with this when you said we're already living these archetypes,
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  Speaker 4: is that we often have, so we already contain all
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  Speaker 4: of the archetypes. But some of them we have imbalances with,
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  Speaker 4: so we might be like really on the masculine side,
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  Speaker 4: but then we're sort of struggled maybe with the feminine,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: which means and I can relate to this because this
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: is me in a nutshell. It's like I struggle to relax,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I struggle to let down. It's hard for me to
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: chill the f out. But I also have a hard
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: time receiving. And there's just a lot that that comes
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: with that, and so but there's different So we can
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: kind of have tendencies to really lean into certain archetypes
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: and not others. So we might be really like impulsive
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: and silly and conversational and mercurial. So then we might
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: struggle with the more jubiterarian side. Maybe we have a
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: hard time like saving money and thinking long term and
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: sort of like being more sort of grounded. And so
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: you can almost diagnose yourself as to like, Okay, which
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: one of which of these energy geez could I really
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: benefit from calling more in? Yeah, And that's actually how
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I like to help people think about like which planets
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to work with, because a lot of people will be
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: like I'm writing a book, I want to work with Mercury,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: and then it's like, well, okay, but is that really
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: like you know, and that could be that might be
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: the right match, but it might be that actually Venus
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: would be a better match for you or the Sun.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: If you like, people when they're starting a business, they're like,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: I want to work with Jupiter because Jupiter is like
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: the you know, business, building a business. But if you
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: have visibility problems, then the Sun. You got to work
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: with the Sun because you got to be seen, you
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: got to go out and be seen.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's interesting.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, I never thought about it like that, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that's really really interesting, and that's part of the reason
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that I'm even more interested in learning more about this
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: because there's also each card in that each planet has
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: an association with the Tarot deck, and I don't know
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: what those are yet, but that's going to even help
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: me get even deeper into learning about the to row
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and what the archetype is behind it and what that
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: all means, which is really really fascinating.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So so now let's talk about what shadow alchemy is.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So is the shadow working with the lower octave of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the planet energy, that is that how that that plays out,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like what is it?
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: So I don't With the shadow work, it's more it
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: can be related to the planets, but I actually kind
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: of think of it separately because it's less of like
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: a magical art and more of a I think psychological
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: art of but it it is complementary and that the
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: magic that we're doing is we're trying to create something new, right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: We're kind of we're trying to manifest. We're creating new identities,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: new beliefs, new ways of being in the world to
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: get what we want ultimately. And the shadow work side,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: the shadow alchemy is like I think of it as
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: dissolving the old sort of beliefs and identities that we
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: want to let go of. So it's the work of
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: like letting go of the belief of ourselves as being
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: limited in certain ways. Or yeah, that's probably the easiest
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: way to say it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well well then yeah, give us some examples
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of what a shadow, like a shadow would look like.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: In your life, like or how it would show up
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: for people.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: So basically what it is is it's the parts of
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: ourselves that we're ashamed of and that we like hide
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: even from ourselves. So it's considered it's a psychological term
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: for like, you know, we all have an unconscious part
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: of our mind. Most of it is unconscious to us,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: and so it's the part that we're like, no, I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: not that that doesn't exist, Like, that's not me, right,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: So all the parts that we kind of just like
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: we want to hide in the closet and pretend they
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: don't exist. And doing shadow work is about and there's
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: also a golden shadow. So it can be like negative
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: quality or negative or whatever, or it could also be
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: like positive qualities like I am a deeply caring person. No,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that's not me. I'm not caring. Don't tell anybody, you
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: know that we actually hide from ourselves too, and so
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: it's just it's the parts of us that we don't
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: want to kind of own, really.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Right, right, And we need to own those parts of
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: us because if we're asking to grow and we're asking
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to manifest something, right, we have to be.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Fully aware of where our limitations are. Because I imagine and
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I do this.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: With the people when we're making these postcards. That's the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: fun part, right, But then there's the part before and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the questions and let's get deeper, and why do you
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: want something in your life. You know, you could tell
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: all I want to be happy, Well, yeah, everybody wants
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: to be happy, but why what what makes you happy?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: So we have to find that out. So I imagine
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that the shadow could be the block it. It could
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: be blocking you from whatever it is that you are
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: trying to manifest. So you have to be aware of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: what your shadow.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Is exactly like if you identify as broke, Like if
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: you believe that you are a broke person, you will
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: never be able to make money, or you'll be able
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: to make money and then you will be right.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: You won't have it. You'll never be able to hold
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: onto it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That's why so many lotto winners I'll go back and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: they lose all their money because they're not in that
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: energy of that wealth energy.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: They're still in the energy it broke.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So the money is temporary, which is fascinating. Do you
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: think that because I find this just talking to people,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: that the biggest blocker for most people is they don't
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: think that they deserve it. They think there's something inherently
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: wrong with them, maybe from you know, something they heard
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: from childhood, or you know, their environment, whatever, But there's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a deep seated wound of am I don't deserve this?
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, worthiness, that is definitely one of the main things.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I don't, Yeah, I think that. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: also like I'm uniquely broken or I'm uniquely like it's
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: always it's yeah, like either I'm uniquely unworthy.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Oh I like, or that's interesting yeah.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or like I'm uniquely unable.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Now, that's really interesting what you just said, because I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: just got like a little hit. It's like you're almost
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: wanting to You're almost proud of that victimhood because that
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: makes you special in.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: A way, but not in a healthy way, in an
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: unhealthy way, right.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really and I know, and I can I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: know people like that, Like I just know people like that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: We all know people like that, right, Like you know
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: as you know, oh no, you just don't understand.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: You just couldn't possibly understand.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I I might not understand exactly what
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you're going through, but I can empathize.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I can sympathize, and.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody's going through something. We all have our challenges. But yeah, I'm.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Right, And there's a shadow in that, there's like a
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: shadowy part of us that wants to be special and
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: things like oh, I'm special because of this and that
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: most people would never admit that or acknowledge that, or
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: even be able to see it in themselves, but it's
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: very much there. It's like we all want to be special.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with wanting to be special. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: And this is where the shadow work gets really interesting,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: because we have to kind of stop judging ourselves and
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: just accept that we're flawed and right, right, it's not
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the end of the world.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Right right now. I love that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I want to talk more about that, but I'm looking
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: at the clock right now, so let us take our
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: commercial break here, and then I want to delve more
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: into the shadow the shadow alchemy, because that's important.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, stay tuned and we will be back
• 26:57
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  Speaker 2: So I'm talking with Lucy Baldwin and we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: planetary magic, shadow alchemy and building relationships with.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: The planetary archetype.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So we were talking about the shadow alchemy and you
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: had a really good point before the break about how
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: there's a specialness in maybe feeling like a victim. Let's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just use victim because it's a general general way. However
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you've been victimized, and by learning what the shadow is
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: in that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: And what is it? What would you call it?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Healing the shadow? Just acknowledging I don't really know is it?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know, do you get rid of it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Is it ever something that you just get rid of
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: or is it more like you go, oh, I'm doing
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: that thing that I do again, you know kind of.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's about like sort of like
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: you said, acknowledging and just kind of I think the
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: way to heal it is to just own and kind
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: of claim and learn how to not judge ourselves, not
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: shame ourselves, and just kind of like let ourselves every
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: day get a little bit more, become more and more
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: of who we are. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, And
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: because yeah, because when things are in the shadow, they
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: actually have way more power over us. And this is
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: where a lot of people it's like, you know, because
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: we all have kind of darker sides that definitely reside
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: in the shadow. And you know, humans are capable of
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: crazy stuff, right, and we like to think like, oh, no,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I'm different, I'm uniquely good or whatever, and.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: We all have certain patterns and habits and ways of
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: you know, like anger and manipulation and these sort of
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: like traits that can be I don't know, toxic, let's say,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: like you know, that's what we call them, I guess.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: But when we when we don't acknowledge them, then they
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: actually have way more ability to kind of just come
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: out of us without us knowing. But if we can
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: sort of see, like, oh I was being manipulative, yeah,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: then we can have more say, like we can actually
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: have more power to sort of say, oh, I'm being
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: manipulative right now. Okay, okay, I'm gonna stop doing that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to we don't even get to
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: have a say when we don't see what's happening. It
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: becomes compulsive.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the shadow wants to come out I think
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that's why it comes out a lot of times in
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: big ways. I mean, if you're a famous person, you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: many times it comes out for the world to see
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: where you know, you get pulled over because you drank
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: too much and you get a duy and racial slurs
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: come out of your mouth, right, and that you wouldn't
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: know that about that person. But there is some shadow
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that it wants to come out. I think the shadow
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: needs and wants to come out and come into the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: light so we can deal with it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And some people like want to be secretly shadowy,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: desires to be punished, you know, or to get in trouble.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Or in their wrongness.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, good, let's go back to that, because that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: is in your bio because you work with I mean,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: you look it up. You call it existential kink and ritual.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: So I imagine that that has to do with sex
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and people who maybe shame feel shame about some of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: their sexual desires and you how people work work through that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Is that what that is?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: So it's actually so kind of it's so it's actually
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: like a it's actually referring to well, it's a practice
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: where you essentially practice getting off on things that you
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: don't like, like in your life.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: So that's interesting.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, tell me what this is new for me.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I love learning new things.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: A really cool practice. And I I mentioned also like
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I did coach training certification. I taught that for years
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: and it was in this style, this existential kink style.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: So the idea of existential kink is that we all
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: have shadowy desires, sure, and that the things that are
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: in our life, the situations in our life, whether we
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: like them or not, we created them because of our
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: shadowy desires. And so again going back to the example
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: of brokeness, because it's an easy example, and we've been
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: talking about it. It's like, if you're broke, there's a
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: part of you that chose that or that is creating that,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: that is getting off on it, and you can access
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: that part and you can actually get off on it,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: you can feel. It doesn't have to be like a
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: sexual getting off. It can be you know, it doesn't
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: have to be erotic. It can be. For me, it's
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: like laughing usually or just feeling tingly or just feeling
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: like just feeling the sensation of understand feeling what that
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: part of us is. Yeah, and then that that can
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: that can shift the pattern, it can actually release it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: So this has worked for me, and I've seen it
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: with thousands of people actually that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like, what are you getting out of being
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: living that broke story? Like you're getting something out of it? Right,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Because if you're saying that you don't want to be broke,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: but you're just broke and it's you're always broke, what
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: is Yeah, you're what are you getting out of it?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Or you know, why are you getting off on being broke?
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: And it might not actually be like sexual?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is really really fascinating. That is a fascinating
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: way to work with people because I imagine that makes people
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: really think about like what is this that I'm that
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I've been ashamed of or I'm carrying, or you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: why isn't this happening? You know, maybe relationships, like why
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: are you having such hard time finding the relationship that
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you say you want?
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about romantic partnerships here, right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So many people have a story that oh, I can't
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: find anybody, and I'm always like, you can't.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Why are you saying that? Like what are you getting out.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Of being that single person who wants to have a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: partner and has a desire but can't.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Find anybody exactly exactly? And it's not even necessarily like
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: that you'll consciously figure out why, because it's like kinkness
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: is weird, Like people get off on weird stuff. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: And the trick is to just have approval for it
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: to just you. It's really hard to find like physical
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: pleasure in something if you don't approve of it, So
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: you have to you have to kind of like just
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: be like, all right, this is what I'm doing. Because
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: usually when we have things like that, it's like we
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: get so frustrated and mad at ourselves. You know that
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: we're in this city situation, and so the idea is
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: we have to kind of drop the shame and the
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: judgment and then we can We're not like telling ourselves
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: we like it. We're feeling it in our body. It's
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: a practice of like being in our bodies and feeling like, oh,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: but when I think about it, it's like I feel
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: this flutter in my chest or you know, and then
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: it and then just going in that way because we
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: can't really convince ourselves that we like that we like
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: things that we don't like, and that that leads to bypass.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: But if we're doing it in the body, it's like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: but I can feel how much I'm enjoying this and
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: it's weird.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: So we'll use broke for example.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: So if you're working through the broke and you're getting
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: off on being broke, right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Like, what is would it be?
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: What is the payoff?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Like I get to be broke so that means that
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I can always say no, I can't do this because
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I don't have the money to do it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: And people won't bother you. Could that be like an
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: example of what.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: A feeling of being broke would be I'm just using
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'm trapped because what I'm trying to do is for
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: my brain to put the association together so that the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: people watching us are like, oh.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I get what she means.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's actually so that's actually more. I would
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: call that like an inquiry process.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: The existential kink is like, okay, so the idea is
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: you relax your body first. That's kind of the first step,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: and then you think about the And I actually usually
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: have people like literally I guide if I'm guiding someone,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: but it's meant to be like a self practice, like
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: have them really feel into their body, like what does
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: it feel like when you breathe and your chest is
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: rising and falling? What does your butt feel like where
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: you're sitting? And so you're just you're focusing on the
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: sensations in your body. But then you think about the situation.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, you imagine your.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Bank account is, you know what it looks, how empty
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: it is. You imagine not being able to buy stuff.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: You just you feel and you think about that and
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: it it elicits these sort of like physical sensations in
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: your body, and then you start telling yourself, I'm okay,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: like enjoying this. I'm you kind of give yourself permission
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: to I give myself permission to feel how much I
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: actually love being broke, and you just kind of like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: see what.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Happened about asking why? Just you're right here, You're just
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: in the feeling. You're giving yourself permission for the feeling,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: not asking the why you love that, if that's what
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: you're working.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Right, because we don't have to really know why, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: we can't really because it's in it's somewhere buried in
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: our unconscious right. It's like why because you because when
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: you were a kid, you know, something happened and you
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: saw a rich person get hit by a car and
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: you thought, oh my gosh, I don't like it's just
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: impossible to really untangle that, you know, And and so
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: we don't actually have to because we can just feel
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: it in the body and move it in the body
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: and then it just it discharges.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: It, right and then what so that's what happens, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: it discharges it and that's when the shift internally happens,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and that's when you remove that blockage of broke. If
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you're working on manifesting.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Wealth exactly exactly, yeah, and or it will at least
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: like open the door to oh geez, wow, there's a
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: lot of things I could do to get out of
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: this situation that I didn't even think about before. And
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: this literally I went through this myself, So I actually
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: experienced all of this, like this happened in my life
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: in a major way. So I know that it worked
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: for me. I've seen it work for so many people. Yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: but it wasn't just it wasn't like I just did
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: that process and then it was done and then I
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: was rich, you know.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: There.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I also this is where like the magic came in
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: and it all kind of worked together.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: So you work on the shadow of whatever or the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: blockages as you're also working with the planetary archetypes to
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: bring in whatever you're calling in, whatever.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: You're calling in for yourself, right exactly. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm finally like the dots are now
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: connecting for me about how you work. So that means
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: that people are watching that they'll understand it. It's a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: different way to that you work with the planets. What
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: are most people if you don't mind sharing without revealing
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: obviously anything personal, what would have been some people's experiences
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: after working with you or like do most people come
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: about money and relationships?
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Those are the two high ones.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what a lot of people are working
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: on in their life. Yeah, but I do find that
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of people who are actually working on their
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: relationship with themselves, which I think is kind of what
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: we're all doing on some level anyway. But I do
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I notice that people who come into my sphere tend
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: to already kind of be on thertual path. And a
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: lot of times it's people who've tried more traditional like
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: attraction methods and manifestation methods, and they're like, why isn't
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: this working, And they discover this kind of like shadow
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: alchemy side and they're like, oh, this is interesting, and
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: so this is almost it's kind of a two pronged
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: approach of like shedding the old and then calling in
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: the new with these two very different. Honestly, they're very
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: different modalities, the magic and the shadow alchemy.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well I would think that they were.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: So you work with clients one on one. I'm assuming
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it's private, especially with the shadow alchemy. It sounds like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that would be very private work that you would do.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: So I actually haven't worked with any one on one
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: clients in.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: You do all these in groups?
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: While yeah, wow, and so I used to do a
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: lot of one on one coaching, but I do. I
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: just I really love groups. I have five kids, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's because I just love you.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Must I have no kids.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I just I spend a lot of time with my
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: sister's two kids, and I like, I leave there and
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I'm exhausted.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how you do five kids.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: So so people are people do the shadow work in groups?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: That is really interesting to me. That's that's interesting.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really helpful for people to be seen in there.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: It helps because we hold this idea of radical approval
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: in all of the communities, and so the people in
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: it that come into my field are they just I've
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: noticed that when you hold people to a standard, they
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: rise to that standard. So I just yeah, it's just
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: the expectation of like, you are going to approve of
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: and love whatever comes out of this person's mouth. And
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: people do that with each other, and it's so healing
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: because you see somebody else owning their shit and then
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: everybody else is like just totally accepting of them and
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: unfazed by it. And that is really healing. It's like
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: almost like group ek.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that does sound like it would be really
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: really healing.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: And I think you're right.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I think when we hold ourselves and other people to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: a higher we have a higher expectation of them than
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: they maybe have of themselves.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: They want to meet that. They want you want to meet.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: That, right, that's why you know trying You know, you
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: would know as a parent of five, you never want
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: to brate your children and put them down because you're
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you know, to try to bully them to be a
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: certain way because it has the opposite effect, right, You
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: want to you want them to see themselves the highest
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that they can be.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so it makes sense.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I know you can do this,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah, and then they do.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they do right right now with people
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: that are wanting do you do you have like separate
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: groups for people who just want to do the planetary
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: archetype work and then you have like the shadow group
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: or do you take your groups through the whole process?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And it's like one kind.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Of a uh, I don't want to say therapy because
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: it's not therapy, it's coaching, like a coaching situation.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: So I mostly So I have a I have kind
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: of an ongoing community for the Central Think work, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: that actually has kind of it has it does have
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: a separate podcast, and I hold that that community with
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: like a few other people. And then I have courses
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: and I do courses and the courses are magic. They're
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: usually like based around a planet, and I do incorporate
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of shadow work into that. So you're getting.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Both okay, right, So and you do are they pre recorded?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: You have some pre recorded courses, right, Like if somebody
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: wants to work, like somebody is working on money, you
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: have a course like with you can work with Mercury
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: not Mercury venus.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Who do you work with with money Venus?
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Well, the current course I have for money is actually
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: goes through all the planets. Oh okay, yeah, so but exactly. Yeah,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: you can go you can like get that course at
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: any time and take you through all the lessons. But
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: I also run like live rounds where I'll do like
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: calls and it'll be more of a group cohort experience.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen some major shifts and some of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: your clients who you've worked with like come in and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: before and then after they work with you and they
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: really get the work, like big shifts happen in their life.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And a lot of people end
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: up taking multiple courses because especially with the planetary magic.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: But that's why I set up this community that's ongoing
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: and it's only twenty nine dollars a month, so people
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: can just kind of like stay connected to the community.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: But they've already kind of been through some of the courses,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: so they've had the big transformations, but they want to
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: stay kind of in the community and in the work.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: So yes, but major, major moves. And I actually just
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: closed out a course today and we had our last
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: call and it was just like such a beautiful, beautiful
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: call of people just being like and I could you know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: you can some of these people it's like, wow, you
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: look different just even on the screen. But that's also
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: that was a Saturn program and Saturn really has that
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: effect on people. Like if you're lacking that sort of
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: like structure and Saturnian sanity in your life and you
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: work with Saturn, it's really life changing.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I'm gonna think about Saturn in a
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: whole new way, know.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: After talking with you. So for people who want to.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Tap their get their toe wet a little bit, like
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: what would you recommend that people start doing on you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: maybe a daily basis or a weekly basis.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: To kind of start feeling like they're connecting.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I would definitely recommend setting up like a little altar,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: and it can just be general, like a general any
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: sort of surface, and then you just want to keep
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: it clean and maybe put like something pretty on it,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: maybe like a crystal or a flower or a plant,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: or just even sometimes I'll put like a bowl of
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: water or just even incense. It could be really simple,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: but just a little a small surface as big as
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: you want actually, and then if it's a daily thing,
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I would say like light an incense or light a
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: candle and just sort of connect with So each planet
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: is associated with the day of the week, if you
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: could connect with the planet of that day and notice
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: like which ones feel really good and or you can
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: just connect you could just work with all of them.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: But that's what I would start doing, is just start
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: sort of like making a little prayer to that planet
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: each day.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or if you.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Wanted to do one, you could just like make a
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: little prayer to the sun every day, maybe like put
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: something yellow on the altar, And yeah, that's kind of
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: I think that's what I would recommend because obviously I
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: teach these courses on planetary magic, and so you can
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: go really deep into these courses, but you don't need me,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: you know, you can just connect with these archetypes are
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: available to all of us. We all have access to them.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: We all have all of these planets in our chart,
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: and so you can absolutely just build that relationship with yourself.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: That's what I did with Saturn initially, because there was
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: nobody out there teaching courses about Saturn. There's almost no
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: information on the internet about Saturn. It was a lot
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: harder to do research back then too before I RAD,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: So I just started. I built this relationship over years,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: but just totally on my own, and so anybody can
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: do that at any time.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I mean I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: don't I change. Usually I have an altar, but I
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: usually do it by season. That's usually when I work
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: with the altars. But if you're working with the planets
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: and that's where you want to connect, that's an easy way.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: You could have a little shelf.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't even need like a table, You
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: just have a little tiny shelf and that's your sacred altar.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: You know, anything, anything you make sacred and where you
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: set your intention is really where the magic I think
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: really happens, right and the rituals you're setting this intention.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: So that's very, very powerful.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: So is there any stories that you could share, like
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: any real world transformation story stories with the planetary magic
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: that you've been a witnessed to.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's hard because I'm not I
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: feel like I'm not good at telling it as like
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: a because and I hear story, I'm like, oh, like
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: a dramatic story. So I actually wrote a book about
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: my journey with kind of my story with Saturn that
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I haven't yet published. Oh, I wrote this book.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Because you hold it up, but you haven't published it yet.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, I wrote it like three years ago, and I've
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: just there's always yeah, I just haven't published it yet.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: But so that will come out someday. But so because
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I've written a book, I have these standards for telling stories.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: But I could just say, you know, I've seen people
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: make large quantities of money. Somebody bought was able to
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: build a house without getting a mortgage. I've seen people
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: and relationships that were really hard to get out of,
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: find love and get married and have like miraculous relationships.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Like I've seen it all, I guess, is what I'm saying.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: But a lot of times what I really see is
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: people coming to like this sounds so corny, but like
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: love themselves.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't sound corny.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I think, well, because if you don't have that
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: relationship to yourself first and everything else we're talking about
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: trying to get anything else, it's it's it's just you're
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: just wasting your time because you have to love yourself
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: first before you can have all those other things that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: you're asking for.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: So it's the most important relationship really.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I've gotten quite a few emails of
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: people saying like, oh my god, this literally saved my
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: life or this completely changed my life or things like that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: And you know, it's not me, obviously, it's the planet.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: It's the And that's where I love teaching magic because
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: I you know, the planet to do eighty percent of
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: the work, right, You're just like.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: You're the connectornect.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Actually exactly. I help people connect with the planet, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: then the planets make the magic happens, and then I
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: get to just be like, wow, see it works so well.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: See it works so good. That's great. I love that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So tell people if they want to work with you,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: where the best place to find you? You have a podcast, right,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: you have your own podcast? Yeah?
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: So I have a podcast, so in the magic department.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: I have a podcast called The Seven Living with the Planets,
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: and that's a ton about planetary magic. And actually I
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: have an episode coming out tomorrow about how like how
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: to know which planet to work with. Then I have
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: a podcast called Penetrate Radio. This is the podcast about
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: existential kink. So that's a totally different vibe. And they're both,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: you know, they're both really awesome. So the Penetrate Radio
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: one is getting really into the shadow work and the
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: ek side of.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Things, okay, and people can find that on all the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: podcasting platforms like on Apple, Google, Play, Spotify wherever they are.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And now, if people want to take your courses, whi's
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the best way for them to sign up with you?
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: So I have a website Lucybaldwin dot me. I'm also
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: on Instagram Lucy dot Baldwin dot author.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: So okay, So then so I have you as Why
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: do I have you as Remalina Coaching dot com.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: That is that is also my website.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, all right, yeah, okay, so I'll make
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: sure in the description I put both so people can
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: find it.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, wait, I know I'll have that one.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, and so and then if some of your courses
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: are pre recorded, and then you'll always let people know
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: if you're going to do another live kind of group,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: you're going to take people through a live.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Group exactly, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love the
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: postcard the thing that you shared at the beginning of
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: the call, like if you believe what was it? If
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: you believe in magic?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you believe in magic, magic things happen. Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I feel like that's exactly right.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is it. I mean, you have to
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: believe in it. You can't.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: You can't say, oh, you know, you know, I want
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: to create this and I want this. Are I do like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you know, spell casting, You can't do any spell casting
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: but then not believe in magic, because well you're just
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: wasting your.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Time you do it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: You have to believe it, right, That's part of it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Part of it is believing it. But we have like
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: like less than a minute left. Is there anything that
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  Speaker 2: you want to leave anybody with before we wrap up?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I would just say, trust your intuition with
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  Speaker 4: all of this magic stuff, You're not going to do
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  Speaker 4: it wrong. It is really about belief and intention, So
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  Speaker 4: if your intentions are good, it's all going to be okay,
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  Speaker 4: per trust you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it all right? What was such a pleasure?
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  Speaker 2: LUSI thank you so much, and thanks everybody listening to
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  Speaker 2: Postcards to the Universe with Melissa creating life you crave
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  Speaker 2: and I'm wishing everyone a wonderful week filled with joy,
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  Speaker 2: abundance and love.
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  Speaker 3: Peace,