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Why Ocean Conservation Policies Are Falling Behind (And How We Fix It) · How To Protect The Ocean

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  We've seen a lot of policies and
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  executive orders come
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  down in the last little bit.
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  From the US, Canada, all over the world.
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  We see policies all the time.
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  A lot of times we just
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  don't even know what it means.
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  There are so many different levels to
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  each policy that makes
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  it really difficult to
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  understand how is it actually going to
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  protect us as people and the oceans and
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  nature in general.
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  It could be very difficult to understand
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  some of these policies, even though I've
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  been studying them for quite some time
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  and sometimes I get confused.
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  Now let alone just actually seen the
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  wording of an actual bill.
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  I know here in Canada, it can be very
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  complex to even just translate that.
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  It's almost like translating Shakespeare
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  into modern day English.
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  It can be very complex and you can
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  stumble on some of those words.
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  Regardless of it, policies are extremely
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  important and the problem
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  that we're seeing right now,
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  that was highlighted in an article at
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  phys.org, which I'll
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  link in the show notes,
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  is that we are falling
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  behind in the policy.
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  A lot of the times it has to do with the
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  government at hand or a
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  government of the day,
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  but we are falling behind in those
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  policies, which is showing right now
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  based on climate change,
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  based on overfishing, based on plastic
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  pollution, and we need to bring those up.
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  And on today's episode of the how to
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  protect the ocean podcast, we're going to
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  talk about ways that we can
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  catch up and ways that we can actually
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  get people more connected
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  to nature and the ocean.
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  Let's start the show.
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  Hey everybody, welcome back to another
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  exciting episode of the how
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  to protect the ocean podcast.
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  I'm your host, Andrew
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  Lew, and this is the podcast.
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  We find out what's happening with the
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  ocean, how you can speak up for the
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  ocean, what you can do to live for a
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  better ocean by taking action.
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  Now today's episode, we're going to be
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  talking about policy and I know policies
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  are really hard to get a handle of
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  because it can be really complex.
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  There's a lot of layers and sometimes the
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  language of like a bill that's actually
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  read through Congress or
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  Parliament or wherever you live
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  and whatever the government reads through
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  can be really complicated.
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  It's like converting
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  Shakespeare into modern English.
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  It's really difficult to kind of
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  understand at the
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  beginning when you first learn it.
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  But once you get used to it, then you
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  start to listen and we have a lot of
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  experts in the how to protect the ocean
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  network that really
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  contribute to doing that.
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  Andrew Thaler talked a little bit about
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  some of the policies for deep sea mining
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  just the other day and the other episode.
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  And so we do a lot of
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  stuff around this today.
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  What I want to talk about was the fact
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  that policies are not really catching up
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  with the times with all the problems that
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  we're seeing and there are a lot of
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  things that I will go into.
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  But before we do, I want to talk to you a
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  little bit about the last couple weeks.
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  Let's just take a breath because look,
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  it's winter time up here and it gets
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  cloudy and it gets cold and we don't go
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  out as much and we see problems on TV.
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  We see forest fires like wildfires out of
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  control destroying homes.
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  We see the introduction of a president
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  that some of us may not want to see and a
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  lot of the policies that
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  they're pushing through.
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  It could be a little tough to digest
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  really tough to digest for a lot of us
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  and it could be really hard on our mental
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  health and I know mental
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  health is a big big thing.
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  And for me, especially over the last
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  couple of years, you know, coming out of
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  covid, I've seen a lot
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  of changes in my life.
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  I've lost my father a
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  couple of years ago.
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  I was getting really messed up in terms
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  of my organization in terms of my focus
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  in terms of my clarity and that really
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  took a hit on my mental health of the
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  last couple of years.
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  And I started to wonder
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  like how do I change this?
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  You know, I saw the right people.
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  I spoke to the right people spoke to my
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  All right.
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  Let's get started with the show.
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  This is going to be a lot of fun in a way
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  because it's one of those things where we
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  only talk about conservation.
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  Like I love talking about ocean animals
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  and seeing new things that are happening.
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  Orcas hunting whale sharks
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  and being able to discuss that.
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  But at some point we have
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  to discuss conservation.
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  How we get conservation done.
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  It really starts with understanding the
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  ocean, the science behind understanding
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  how we can protect the ocean.
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  What is going on in the ocean that we
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  need to protect
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  better than we were before.
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  A lot of the times it has to
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  do with human disturbances.
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  We have fishing.
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  We have pollution.
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  We have development along the coastline
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  and then of course we have other indirect
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  effects like climate change that we're
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  contributing to and we need more
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  understanding of the science allows us to
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  collect that information and then
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  understand the information and then
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  nonprofit organizations and other groups
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  and scientists will allow that
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  information to be decided.
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  And then we have the people who want to
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  know like you want to know what's
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  happening with the ocean how we can
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  better protect it by watching or
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  listening to this podcast.
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  I provide that information to you the
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  best I can by looking up
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  information and bringing it to you.
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  I'm not collecting it raw data like a lot
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  of the other scientists are but I'm
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  trying to tell you about what everybody's
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  doing so we have a channel you can find
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  out a lot of different things about.
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  That's my goal is to get it out.
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  A lot of other organizations have their
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  own constituents their own audiences that
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  they speak to on a regular basis whether
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  it be through email whether it be through
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  videos whether it be through reports or
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  anything like that or community events
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  and they help get that awareness raised
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  so that you can know more about what's
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  happening with the ocean once we have
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  that knowledge then we start to look at
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  what should we be doing about this and
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  that's where we start to talk to our
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  government and the governments will put
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  in policies that will allow
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  these things to be rectified.
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  Right so for instance let's talk about
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  plastic pollution right if we have
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  plastic pollution going on we know that
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  this plastic pollution in every piece of
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  our ocean to the deepest depths that we
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  know of all the way to the surface we
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  know it's everywhere and we know that
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  we're causing it this is not just a
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  natural phenomenon that's happening we
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  are causing it we are consuming more
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  plastic we're using more single use
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  plastic so what do we do we talk to the
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  government we start putting policies on
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  banning certain plastics that we find
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  most in the environment whether it be in
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  the ocean on a beach or in the ocean or in the ocean or in the ocean.
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  Or in the mangrove or in a salt marsh or
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  in a river system we find it everywhere
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  just as a matter of fact if you ever walk
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  down your neighborhood when is after
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  garbage a it's a windy day using plastic
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  all over the place we pick that up we get
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  rid of it as a neighborhood as a
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  community that helps each other out and
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  we say hey you know what like let's keep
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  this neighborhood clean so we don't see
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  plastics we don't get animals hurt we
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  don't get in our gardens we don't get in
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  our systems and we can be happy well
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  that's what we hope that the government
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  will do by putting
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  those policies in place.
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  To clean the plastic pollution up this
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  could work for pretty much every single
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  thing the problem is that the
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  government's don't always want to listen
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  out you're probably wondering why would
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  they want to listen to the people well in
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  a democracy that we live in canada in the
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  us in the UK in australia a lot of the
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  other countries are listening to this
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  where we get to vote for elected
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  officials they should be
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  listening to the people.
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  They don't always they listen to the
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  people who speak up the most that could
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  be a small population to be a small
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  percentage of the population says hey you
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  know what I'm really really passionate
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  about this and I want to see this being
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  rectified and whatever that could be we
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  you know it could be anything from the
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  environment to human rights to.
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  You know other policies that we are may
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  not care about but people want those in
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  place and that's how government works and
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  hopefully the
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  government puts it in place but.
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  A lot of the times they don't listen
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  because there are competing factors or
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  competing interests that
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  want something opposite.
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  And this is where I feel that we're
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  running behind and we'll talk about that
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  in a second with in terms of the policies
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  right this article talks about sort of
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  like the interconnected crisis so we have
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  biodiversity loss
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  climate change and pollution.
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  That are deeply intertwined so they're
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  like I always call this the cumulative
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  effects when one makes it the other one
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  the worst and it makes the other one the
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  worst and when they combine it just makes
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  it that much worse it's really hard to
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  untangle those cumulative effects and
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  trying to figure out stuff.
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  Either together or separately a lot of
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  times we try and figure them out
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  separately because again competing
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  interest so it's leading to compound
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  impacts on human health and well being
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  which we know we've seen with climate
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  change and force fires and hurricanes and
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  floods and all that kind of stuff.
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  We've seen those human effects affect the
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  way people live where they live in the
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  future it's going to be really
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  interesting to see what happens over the
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  next 30 years as this crisis continues to
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  move without these policies catching up
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  so if we address each of these policies
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  individually that's going to be a problem
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  we have to address these policies as they
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  are intertwined so they
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  have to address them together.
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  There were some reports that were
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  mentioned in the articles and they are
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  two major assessments by the
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  Intergovernmental Science Policy Platform
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  on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services
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  which called IPBES highlight the need for
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  transformative change the nexus
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  assessment emphasizes the links between
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  biodiversity loss water quality food
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  security health risk and climate change.
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  So they had some policy recommendations
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  based on these two reports basically
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  looking at integrating biodiversity
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  considerations into sectors like
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  agriculture fisheries forestry urban
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  development infrastructure mining and
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  energy the proposed actions include and
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  I'm going to read these off because I
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  think these are really important
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  implementing nature based solutions in
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  urban areas and
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  reconnecting people with nature.
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  That's a really important one if you
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  think about how to connect people you
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  look around if you're living in a bigger
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  city you don't have as much nature as you
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  do say in the country right in the
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  country it's a little bit slower moving.
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  It's not densely populated you don't have
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  concrete everywhere you have a lot of
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  maybe rolling meadows or maybe
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  agricultural fields but it's quiet it's
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  slowed down people tend not to move as
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  quickly in and about because they're not
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  in a rush to do things they've done their
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  job maybe they're a farming community or
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  fishing community and they maybe sit on
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  their patio maybe sit with some neighbors
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  or just relax after a hard day's work and
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  they just kind of relax and they get to
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  see the green they get to see the blue
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  where they live and they get to enjoy.
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  Just enjoy looking out right into the
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  horizon and just be like wow that we live
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  in a really cool place in cities where I
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  live it's a lot faster you're trying to
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  get your kids to all these different
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  activities are trying to do this you're
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  trying to do that you go out to dinner
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  but if you look around.
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  There's not as many green spaces that
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  there are say in the country right is
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  more densely populated there are more
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  residences are more businesses their
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  business plazas their business areas
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  there's playgrounds and so forth but
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  there's not a lot of green space as there
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  is when you compare to the country and I
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  feel as though and a lot of people are
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  thinking the same thing if businesses had
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  their way a lot of them developers
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  especially they would turn those cities
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  into more concrete areas because it's
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  more profit for them the
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  more they can sell on the
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  land the better it is so case in point in
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  Ontario they're gonna go very local here
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  in Ontario where near I live they want to
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  create a different highway now we have
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  already the gardener like the QEW we have
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  401 we have the four seven which is a
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  toll route so we have three different
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  highways that go through Toronto and they
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  hit different parts of the city so one
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  hits really really self by like the
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  gardener in the QE hit right by the lake
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  shore by Lake Ontario
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  then you have in the lake
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  the middle of the city is the 401 which
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  is insanely busy so is the QE at times
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  and the 401 seems to be busy all the time
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  then we have the four seven which is a
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  toll highway very expensive to use but a
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  lot of people will use those back and
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  forth and the trucks aren't allowed on
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  there so the truck stay on the 401 there
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  is more development that has gone on
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  since I've been here since I've been on
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  this earth north of Toronto and it's been
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  now it's just blooming neighborhoods like
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  they're just neighborhoods with malls and
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  car washes and restaurants and everything
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  they are like small
• 1:13:20
  cities in comparison to the
• 1:13:21
  Toronto but they are cities and there's
• 1:13:23
  more concrete than there was when I was
• 1:13:25
  younger I used to go up there and these
• 1:13:27
  be farm fields and things like that very
• 1:13:28
  little homes now it's like a bustling
• 1:13:31
  area but there are less green projects
• 1:13:33
  and what the Ontario government is
• 1:13:35
  proposing is like let's do a highway at
• 1:13:39
  the bottom of those cities but the top of
• 1:13:40
  Toronto that's free to ride it's Ontario
• 1:13:43
  owned but it goes right through a green
• 1:13:47
  space a number of green spaces in one
• 1:13:49
  part it goes through the
• 1:13:50
  green belt now the green belt
• 1:13:51
  is a protected area is owned off as a
• 1:13:54
  protected area to protect the rest of the
• 1:13:56
  watershed that goes down to Lake Ontario
• 1:13:58
  we have been messing up and I can't go
• 1:14:00
  into it now because we don't have the
• 1:14:01
  time we have been messing up the greater
• 1:14:03
  Toronto watersheds for a long time
• 1:14:05
  because of creating this city we've
• 1:14:07
  buried a lot of our rivers as they get
• 1:14:09
  close to downtown so they don't interrupt
• 1:14:11
  we've lost a lot of our green spaces they
• 1:14:13
  have become heavily polluted in certain
• 1:14:15
  areas they're getting better but still
• 1:14:17
  not the best and there's sometimes
• 1:14:19
  there's nothing we can
• 1:14:19
  do about it or there's not
• 1:14:21
  enough priority to do something about it
• 1:14:23
  now we're talking about putting a highway
• 1:14:25
  into a section of green space that is
• 1:14:27
  protected to make sure that we protect
• 1:14:29
  the rest of the integrity of the
• 1:14:30
  watershed and why are they doing this
• 1:14:33
  because what's been uncovered in some
• 1:14:34
  scandals is that the Ontario premier Doug
• 1:14:37
  Ford has his buddies who got the
• 1:14:40
  contracts to build on those areas that
• 1:14:42
  are going to make like billions of
• 1:14:43
  dollars just from the development of that
• 1:14:45
  area there are other green spaces that
• 1:14:47
  are not used that are not protected that
• 1:14:49
  could be used for this high
• 1:14:51
  way but they refuse to use that one
• 1:14:52
  because it's not land that will make
• 1:14:54
  these developers even more rich and more
• 1:14:55
  billions of dollars so this is the
• 1:14:58
  problem when we're talking about
• 1:15:00
  implementing nature based solutions in
• 1:15:01
  urban areas and reconnecting with nature
• 1:15:03
  we keep taking away our green spaces we
• 1:15:06
  keep taking away access to our blue
• 1:15:09
  spaces in 20 years ago as downtown
• 1:15:12
  Toronto was being built and even here in
• 1:15:14
  Burlington where I am another local
• 1:15:15
  example and I'm sure this has happened in
• 1:15:17
  other cities buildings were put up and it
• 1:15:19
  was sold with hey you have access to
• 1:15:21
  beautiful views of Lake Ontario of
• 1:15:23
  whatever coastline you live off of and
• 1:15:26
  then like 10 years later another building
• 1:15:27
  gets built right in front of your view so
• 1:15:30
  now you have a view of another building
• 1:15:31
  that has a view of the ocean or of the
• 1:15:33
  Lake Ontario of a great lake or whatever
• 1:15:35
  that might be whatever coastline you're
• 1:15:36
  on this is the problem that we keep
• 1:15:38
  seeing is the access to more money takes
• 1:15:41
  away all the stuff that we're doing to
• 1:15:42
  protect and putting in nature based
• 1:15:44
  solutions but making sure that having our
• 1:15:46
  politicians abide by the regular zoning
• 1:15:49
  and not changing it for green spaces
• 1:16:03
  ininson growth and I from different
• 1:16:13
  methods nature studied is extremely
• 1:16:18
  important they'll use other means to get by there really good at
• 1:16:21
  let's plan it out and
• 1:16:22
  let's just make sure this area
• 1:16:24
  will never get chosen to be developed on
• 1:16:27
  because it's a green space.
• 1:16:28
  It's very important to this
• 1:16:29
  area that we have green spaces.
• 1:16:31
  We need to continue
• 1:16:32
  to keep nature abett us
• 1:16:34
  because that's what regulates our lives.
• 1:16:37
  We need to keep that intact.
• 1:16:38
  We need to recognize
• 1:16:39
  that the dollar value
• 1:16:40
  should not matter about these places.
• 1:16:43
  These places are forever protected.
• 1:16:45
  They should be forever protected, right?
• 1:16:47
  And that's really important.
• 1:16:49
  Measure, and the third one,
• 1:16:50
  measuring and reporting on natural assets
• 1:16:52
  to manage and enhance ecosystem services.
• 1:16:55
  So in other words, making sure that when
• 1:16:57
  you see these green spaces and blue
• 1:16:59
  spaces and the coastal spaces,
• 1:17:01
  right, making sure that we're monitoring
• 1:17:02
  them, we're saying,
• 1:17:03
  "Hey, are they healthy?
• 1:17:04
  Is this what we need? Is this what we
• 1:17:05
  need to keep around? Can we keep around
• 1:17:07
  more? Do we need to restore more?
• 1:17:08
  How are they keeping those services that
• 1:17:10
  they provide intact?
• 1:17:12
  And if that's changing, what can we do to
• 1:17:14
  bring them back or enhance those areas?
• 1:17:17
  That's extremely important.
• 1:17:18
  Restoring carbon-rich ecosystems such as
• 1:17:21
  forests, soils, and mangroves.
• 1:17:23
  Now, we're talking a little bit of land
• 1:17:24
  and sea here because it really matters
• 1:17:26
  when we talk about pollutants
• 1:17:27
  because pollutants usually come from the
• 1:17:28
  land and they end up into the sea.
• 1:17:30
  Talk about plastic pollution, bad water
• 1:17:32
  quality with chemicals
• 1:17:33
  and nutrients and so forth.
• 1:17:34
  We need to make sure
• 1:17:35
  that land is available.
• 1:17:37
  A lot of times, basic watershed
• 1:17:39
  maintenance, basic forestry maintenance
• 1:17:41
  can really help in this.
• 1:17:43
  But the priority has to
• 1:17:44
  be there by the government.
• 1:17:45
  You can't put policies in to take an
• 1:17:47
  entire area down for a residential build
• 1:17:49
  or for a commercial build, right?
• 1:17:51
  Like we see a lot with these massive
• 1:17:53
  warehouses that are showing up in Canada,
• 1:17:55
  the US and all over the world
• 1:17:57
  that have like huge plants or storage
• 1:17:59
  warehouses, drop shipping warehouses
• 1:18:02
  becoming really popular these days.
• 1:18:04
  And we're seeing land being used that are
• 1:18:06
  normally natural and contributing to our
• 1:18:09
  ecosystem services, right?
• 1:18:10
  We need to make sure that we enhance
• 1:18:12
  those and restore those
• 1:18:14
  that have been taken away
• 1:18:15
  because you'd be surprised at how much
• 1:18:16
  has been taken away.
• 1:18:17
  Seeing a salt marsh or a mud flat may not
• 1:18:19
  look appealing to many people, but it's
• 1:18:22
  extremely important into coastlines
• 1:18:24
  and making sure that we're maintaining
• 1:18:25
  the intactness, the importance of those
• 1:18:28
  coastlines and the
• 1:18:29
  protection, not only to our coastline,
• 1:18:31
  but also for the animals that run those
• 1:18:33
  ecosystems that provide
• 1:18:34
  us with those services.
• 1:18:35
  Nice views, but also just regular
• 1:18:37
  ecosystem services that provide
• 1:18:39
  protection,
• 1:18:39
  biodiversity, stability and so forth.
• 1:18:41
  And I think it's really important.
• 1:18:43
  Also, carbon rich ecosystems, mangroves,
• 1:18:45
  seagrasses, those as soils, forests,
• 1:18:48
  those are really important.
• 1:18:50
  They're so important now more than ever
• 1:18:51
  because of the amount of pollution that
• 1:18:53
  we're putting into the air,
• 1:18:54
  the amount of greenhouse
• 1:18:54
  gases that we're putting in.
• 1:18:56
  We need more absorption.
• 1:18:57
  We need more tools to absorb.
• 1:18:58
  If we don't put those in, we can't put
• 1:19:00
  those in, especially when we're talking
• 1:19:01
  about marine-based or aquatic-based.
• 1:19:04
  Seagrasses, mangroves hold up to like
• 1:19:06
  four to 10 times as much carbon than
• 1:19:08
  land-based forest trees, right?
• 1:19:10
  Trees.
• 1:19:11
  So this is important that we do both.
• 1:19:13
  And it's expensive to restore.
• 1:19:14
  It's less expensive to protect and we
• 1:19:15
  should be protecting those and restoring
• 1:19:17
  those in other areas as well.
• 1:19:19
  Now, this is the last one is probably the
• 1:19:20
  most important is
• 1:19:21
  supporting indigenous food systems.
• 1:19:23
  This is not just supporting indigenous
• 1:19:24
  food systems, but we as people that have
• 1:19:27
  taken over land from indigenous people in
• 1:19:29
  the histories that we have, right?
• 1:19:31
  In our country's histories.
• 1:19:32
  We have lost a lot of the knowledge or we
• 1:19:34
  haven't taken up a lot of the knowledge
• 1:19:36
  that have kept indigenous communities
• 1:19:38
  living here for hundreds
• 1:19:40
  of years, maybe even more.
• 1:19:42
  The way they take care of the land and
• 1:19:46
  they integrate their economies or their
• 1:19:49
  way of life into the land and protecting
• 1:19:52
  that land and doing it in harmony.
• 1:19:54
  We need to learn from that.
• 1:19:56
  Like I can't even tell you how important
• 1:19:58
  it is that we need to learn
• 1:19:59
  from those systems, right?
• 1:20:01
  We need to have workshops.
• 1:20:03
  We need to incorporate more indigenous
• 1:20:06
  communities into putting these policies
• 1:20:08
  together so that we can really understand what is a way to build that.
• 1:20:12
  And that's a true caretaker of this, you
• 1:20:15
  know, like for me in North America, what
• 1:20:17
  indigenous people call Turtle Island.
• 1:20:19
  It's an important aspect.
• 1:20:21
  It's an important way to put this
• 1:20:23
  together economy and environment.
• 1:20:25
  So how do we live off the land where we
• 1:20:27
  can be prosperous, but also how do we
• 1:20:28
  maintain the land so we can continue to
• 1:20:30
  be prosperous at this point right now?
• 1:20:33
  We're just destroying the land and we
• 1:20:34
  don't care about the harmony.
• 1:20:36
  We don't care about the environment.
• 1:20:37
  That's how many of our
• 1:20:38
  companies are working.
• 1:20:40
  And we need to incorporate more of that
• 1:20:42
  indigenous culture into our practices so
• 1:20:45
  that we can actually take care of the
• 1:20:47
  land and have a good economy.
• 1:20:49
  Doesn't necessarily mean that our economy
• 1:20:51
  has to grow all the time, but it's really
• 1:20:53
  important that we do this kind of stuff.
• 1:20:55
  That's sort of my opinion on all and what
• 1:20:57
  this article discusses.
• 1:20:58
  It's extremely important thing to do when
• 1:21:00
  we look at policies, but we really need
• 1:21:02
  to catch up and we
• 1:21:03
  need to catch up quickly.
• 1:21:05
  And our politicians have to be smart.
• 1:21:07
  They have to listen
• 1:21:08
  to the experts, right?
• 1:21:11
  And us as citizens, we have to pressure
• 1:21:13
  the government to listen to the experts.
• 1:21:16
  We have to say, look, we may not
• 1:21:18
  understand all the science and everything
• 1:21:19
  that goes on in the environment or
• 1:21:20
  everything that goes on in economies and
• 1:21:22
  politics and everything like that.
• 1:21:23
  But there are people who do listen to
• 1:21:25
  those people and let that drive our
• 1:21:27
  policy, not just the opinions of
• 1:21:29
  politicians based on not listening to
• 1:21:33
  people and just
• 1:21:33
  forming their own opinion.
• 1:21:35
  Okay, for instance, Donald Trump, a
• 1:21:38
  number of years ago when he was
• 1:21:39
  president, he stated he was in front of a
• 1:21:41
  panel of forestry people during the last
• 1:21:43
  big wildfire scares or
• 1:21:45
  wildfires are always scary.
• 1:21:46
  But the wildfires when he was president
• 1:21:48
  and he was listening to some scientists
• 1:21:50
  and scientists like we just
• 1:21:51
  can't ignore the science here.
• 1:21:52
  We need to do something more about
• 1:21:53
  climate change rails.
• 1:21:54
  These forest fires are going to get out
• 1:21:56
  of hand and more people are going to get
• 1:21:58
  hurt and lose their homes.
• 1:21:59
  Donald Trump looked the guy in the eye.
• 1:22:01
  Actually, he didn't even
• 1:22:01
  look the guy in the eye.
• 1:22:02
  And he just looked straight and he says,
• 1:22:04
  well, you know, I'll tell you it's going
• 1:22:05
  to get cooler in the next few years.
• 1:22:07
  I'm telling you that right now.
• 1:22:07
  It's going to get cooler.
• 1:22:09
  No scientist that has any kind of
• 1:22:11
  reputation, no NASA scientist, no
• 1:22:13
  government scientist at the time were
• 1:22:15
  saying that it's going to get cooler.
• 1:22:17
  We were saying it's going to get hotter.
• 1:22:18
  Everybody was saying
• 1:22:18
  it's going to get hotter.
• 1:22:19
  The entire world knew it
• 1:22:21
  was going to get hotter.
• 1:22:21
  We were hitting records and records and
• 1:22:22
  we have continued to hit records and
• 1:22:24
  record breaking years
• 1:22:26
  every year for heat.
• 1:22:28
  And look what happened just not long ago,
• 1:22:30
  like a month ago, and
• 1:22:31
  it's still kind of going on.
• 1:22:32
  Devastating wilds across California
• 1:22:34
  floods due to hurricanes that are earlier
• 1:22:37
  and more severe that scientists have been
• 1:22:39
  particularly for a long time hit in 2024.
• 1:22:42
  This stuff is happening, but we are keep
• 1:22:44
  continuing to put politicians in place
• 1:22:46
  that are like, no, I don't
• 1:22:47
  think it's going to happen.
• 1:22:49
  I'm going to ignore everybody else.
• 1:22:50
  He goes, well, I just don't think the
• 1:22:51
  science knows it doesn't make sense.
• 1:22:54
  It just doesn't make sense from a
• 1:22:55
  prosperous life, like in
• 1:22:57
  the future perspective.
• 1:22:58
  Right. And even now,
• 1:22:59
  it does not make sense.
• 1:23:00
  We need to put politicians in power where
• 1:23:03
  they listen to experts.
• 1:23:05
  That's all.
• 1:23:06
  That's really what it comes down to.
• 1:23:08
  It doesn't matter
• 1:23:08
  what party they're from.
• 1:23:09
  Every party the leader should know we're
• 1:23:11
  going to listen to the experts and make a
• 1:23:13
  decision based on what the experts say.
• 1:23:15
  That's really what it goes
• 1:23:16
  and what the people feel.
• 1:23:17
  And that's really what it comes down to.
• 1:23:19
  And policies need to catch
• 1:23:20
  up according to this article.
• 1:23:22
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• 1:23:23
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