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Thomas and Jackie Hawk - The Well Deserved · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up are you? Wicked people?
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  Speaker 1: It is. We got something else coming down the pipe,
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  Speaker 1: which is really cool to announce.
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  Speaker 2: What's that bench?
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  Speaker 1: We actually had someone specifically request this actually as an episode.
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  Speaker 2: For what we're doing today.
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  Speaker 1: No, not the one we're doing today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, the announcement. Sorry, yes, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: So we had someone, I think it was two days
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  Speaker 1: ago or yesterday, request that we do the Highways tiers
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  Speaker 1: as an episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: What's really cool is we live, well, it's not really cool,
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  Speaker 1: but it's you'll where I'm going. High Way of Tears
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  Speaker 1: isn't cool, but we live right at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the Highway of Tears, which heads over to the west
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  Speaker 1: coast of Canada from our city. Prince George, Prince George
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  Speaker 1: to Prince Rupert, and that's a stretch of Highway. We
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  Speaker 1: are going to do an episode. We are already planning that.
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  Speaker 2: However, it's a little different of an episode.
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  Speaker 1: It's a way different of an episode, way different. We
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  Speaker 1: are doing a full length, one hour documentary. We got
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  Speaker 1: funding to produce a wicked and grim documentary and we
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  Speaker 1: are focusing on the Highway of Tears. So you are
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  Speaker 1: definitely going to get your episode for Highway of Tears.
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  Speaker 1: It might take a while, but it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a video. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a movie, yeah, which is so cool. We are stoked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, starring us.
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  Speaker 1: Staring us. I'm dreading diving into that one a little
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  Speaker 1: bit because it's done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, but I'm kind of excited because I it
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  Speaker 2: is so close to us, and I honestly don't know
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  Speaker 2: enough about it, so I I'm wanting to learn more.
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  Speaker 1: It is one of those ones that's kind of swept
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  Speaker 1: under the rug a lot too, which is kind of sad.
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  Speaker 1: So Yeah, Originally we're actually going to do a different
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  Speaker 1: documentary on another missing person's case, but the family got
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  Speaker 1: in contact with us and we're like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: not too sure if we want this documentary to go
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  Speaker 1: focus on it. So we're like, Okay, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do the Highway of Tears, because before it was this
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  Speaker 1: missing person with the Highway of Tears undertone. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do the Highway of Tears, and we are
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  Speaker 1: going to involve that missing person a little bit as well.
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  Speaker 1: So we are involving everyone. But the nice thing is
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  Speaker 1: now we are highlighting the Highway of Tears in the documentary, which.
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  Speaker 2: I think is a really good thing to probably talk
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  Speaker 2: about and highlight definitely. Yeah, like it needs to get
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  Speaker 2: out there more. Yeah, so how exciting.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, do we have any other announcements? Is there
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  Speaker 1: anything else? I don't know, Like so much.
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  Speaker 2: As I feel like pump sitting here, I was like
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  Speaker 2: so tired before we started this, and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Every time we turn on the mics, suddenly like
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like the weird flip switches, because like I'm
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  Speaker 1: sitting here, I was just painting downstairs and you were
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  Speaker 1: sending an email and we're like, oh, work sucks, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta do the podcast tonight. That's gonna be fun, blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: And then the moment we sat down and the mics
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  Speaker 1: turned on and we're just like testing her audio levels,
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  Speaker 1: like behind the scenes. You guys don't hear that part.
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  Speaker 2: You should hear that part that we're larious.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe for patrons one day, but anyways, as soon as
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  Speaker 1: those mics go hot, it's it's like the ship show
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  Speaker 1: just starts right up. Energy levels just jump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we are definitely happy to be away from painting
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  Speaker 1: and emails.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so clearly we enjoyed this. Yeah, if you didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: O, can you talk a little bit. I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Any news, any news.
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  Speaker 2: Any news. I just want to listen to this case.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, really quickly before we do go to the case,
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  Speaker 1: I did want to touch one more thing.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, chatty Cathy tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Well I sorry, let's go.
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Everyone always guesses our.
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  Speaker 2: Hintsome Yeah, people are so good.
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  Speaker 1: Like you guys are insanely good.
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  Speaker 2: Guess so good.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to make it a little bit more difficult
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  Speaker 1: on the last post for this case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: No, instantly people knew what it was. So Nicole is
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  Speaker 1: doing next episode, and I think we should see if
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  Speaker 1: we can really test people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, maybe I could put something up tonight
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  Speaker 2: because I don't even know what the episode is on,
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  Speaker 2: and then they can guess because no one will get
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  Speaker 2: it right then, because I don't even know what the
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  Speaker 2: heck I'm doing next week.
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  Speaker 1: So you're just going to post something random that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even make sense that it's a joke. You're just going
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  Speaker 1: to post an image of a car.
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  Speaker 2: No one will get it right.
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  Speaker 1: It's because it's probably just our car sitting in the driveway.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's like, don't let's not do that. That's like
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  Speaker 2: a bad omen. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Well I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to figure out what I'm going to dive into
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  Speaker 2: and then yeah, maybe I'll do I'll do.
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  Speaker 1: Something we should like, do it. I know for my
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  Speaker 1: next case, I'm doing something seriously obscure.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what we're the game. We're going to start playing.
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  Speaker 1: Well all the time a little bit. I want to
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  Speaker 1: test people. I want to see if I can push
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  Speaker 1: their limits. Like this case. I thought I picked an
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  Speaker 1: obscure case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know much about this case.
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  Speaker 2: And you are like, I don't think that was very hard.
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  Speaker 1: Well no it wasn't, but still I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: an obscure case. When I first picked it. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then once I started researching them, Like, there are so
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  Speaker 1: many articles, there are so many documentaries. This is not
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  Speaker 1: an obscure case. So I thought putting the boat with
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  Speaker 1: the back of it just the name showing yea was enough.
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  Speaker 1: But the back door was opened, the name was kind
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  Speaker 1: of cut off, so like maybe people won't really see
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  Speaker 1: the name and they'll have to look at the smaller
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  Speaker 1: boat to really see the name. It might might have
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  Speaker 1: been harder, but clearly not. So, Yeah, this is a
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  Speaker 1: higher profile case and people got it really easy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well I'm going to We'll try next week again.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just keep trying until no one can get it. Okay, deal, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is the case of Thomas and Jackie Hawks.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Thomas and Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: Now they were a couple from Prescott, Arizona in the
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  Speaker 1: United States, which is a city of like forty two
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  Speaker 1: thousand people. It's just north of Like, I didn't write
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  Speaker 1: down the city name. I wrote down Arizona. It's just
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  Speaker 1: north of Arizona. Apparently, No, it's in Arizona anyways, it's
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't write down the city that works. Okay. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: it's a city in the States, forty two thousand people population, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas was a fifty seven year old bodybuilder and former
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  Speaker 1: probation officer with two sons from a previous marriage. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and his wife, Jackie, was forty seven, who was also retired,
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  Speaker 1: and she spent her recent years taking care of the
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  Speaker 1: family with Thomas's adolescent sons.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so she took care of his sons yep.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So she wasn't like their biological mother, but they
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  Speaker 1: were living with him, and she was just like she
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  Speaker 1: was the good step mom sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, forty seven to be retired, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like a seriously hard working couple. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They made sure they worked hard for their retirement and
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  Speaker 1: they earned it.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of awesome.
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  Speaker 1: They were also like extremely dedicated to one another. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, they earned their retirement. And when the day
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  Speaker 1: finally came when Thomas's kids were actually out of the
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  Speaker 1: house and on their own, because they weren't too young, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: they were still living at home. It's not she was
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  Speaker 1: taking care of them, but she was taking care of
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  Speaker 1: the house sort of thing, right, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So once they were out of the house and on
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  Speaker 1: their own, they decided they wanted an inventure. Okay, something
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  Speaker 1: that many people want, but only very few people ever
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  Speaker 1: actually do. They went out and they purchased themselves a
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  Speaker 1: fifty five foot yacht and christened it the Well Deserved.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually not on my list, but it is for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people. Yeah, I can imagine, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like terrified of the ocean. Scary shit down there,
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  Speaker 2: like and a lot of things that you don't even
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  Speaker 2: think we know that are down there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. So well, I know what's the percentage there's
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  Speaker 1: there's a very high percentage. It's like ninety five percent
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  Speaker 1: of the world's ocean is unexplored or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, no, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know if it's actually ninety percent. I'm pretty sure it's
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  Speaker 1: above eighty. But yeah, that's too crazy percentage.
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  Speaker 2: That's too high.
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  Speaker 1: Like there literally could be a cracking out in the ocean,
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  Speaker 1: a giant squid that just like takes shit.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, there probably is. It wouldn't even surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably also like a disco fish that just like
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  Speaker 1: lights shine in different directions for like a.
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  Speaker 2: Party Oh boy, there's just probably I bet you could
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  Speaker 2: just everything under there, under.
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  Speaker 1: A sea, undert a sea. We got to watch a
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  Speaker 1: Little Mermaid. It's been a while. It's a good show.
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  Speaker 2: It is a good show.
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  Speaker 1: It's an amazing show.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, was I why were you staring at me?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: That was also safe?
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  Speaker 1: You were staring at me though too. I looked at
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  Speaker 1: you looked at me, and it was just silent, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's just how I look.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Okay, holy keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Regardless of my looks. They went out and purchased their
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  Speaker 1: fifty five foot yacht and christened it the Well Deserved.
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  Speaker 1: They treated this as their permanent home and residence. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they actually lived on the water.
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  Speaker 2: Oh see that school, I could live on the water,
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  Speaker 2: which is that's fucked up.
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  Speaker 1: That's weird, weird, that's ass backwards.
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  Speaker 2: But whatever, just like on a houseboat or something that
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  Speaker 2: stalked But okay, carry on, sorry, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they upgraded the boat. They installed everything they would
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  Speaker 1: ever need, and they kept it maintained meticulously. It was
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  Speaker 1: a perfect boat for their perfect life. They sailed for
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  Speaker 1: two years around the Pacific Ocean in the Gulf of California,
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  Speaker 1: like They didn't just park it. They sailed. They lived
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  Speaker 1: the life on sea. Now there's home videos. They did lots.
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  Speaker 1: It took lots of pictures, and you can actually find
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  Speaker 1: footage of like dolphins swimming alongside their boat orca is
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  Speaker 1: going along. And there's even one shot that I saw
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  Speaker 1: in a documentary of Thomas swimming out in the water
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  Speaker 1: with dolphins. Wild dolphins.
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  Speaker 2: Really, Hey, ballsy dude, Okay, yeah, that would just make
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  Speaker 2: me want to pee my pants.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you ever want to go swimming with dolphins,
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  Speaker 1: maybe go for it. But I don't recommend it. We
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  Speaker 1: won't ever do.
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  Speaker 2: It, probably not. I don't think that's something I'd ever do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, clearly they did, but.
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  Speaker 2: That's living on the wild side. I do it.
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  Speaker 1: It is they lived on the wild side. They literally
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  Speaker 1: fully embraced the whole, like ocean life, the sailor life.
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  Speaker 1: They moved from port to port, making the best of
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  Speaker 1: like each stay, and they enjoyed literally every minute they
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  Speaker 1: did more their boat at its regular home in an
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  Speaker 1: upscale neighborhood and a ritzy Newport beach in California when
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  Speaker 1: they weren't outsailing the ocean, so mooring it is literally
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  Speaker 1: parking it, you know, dropping an anchor in the bay
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: They're like quite well off, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Not necessarily they put all their money into the boat.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just kind of sounds like they.
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  Speaker 1: Are they saved and they earned it, but they weren't
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  Speaker 1: like super rich or anything. Okay, But eventually, after two years,
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  Speaker 1: they decided it was time to say farewell to their
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  Speaker 1: sea life and set down roots once again. Oh well,
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  Speaker 1: the decision didn't didn't come because they were like growing
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  Speaker 1: tired of life in the water or sailing or anything.
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  Speaker 1: It came because one of Thomas's sons had just become
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  Speaker 1: a dad, and Thomas and Jackie were now grandparents, so
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to sell the beloved well deserved to move
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  Speaker 1: back to Arizona and be closer to family. That makes sense, Yeah, totally,
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  Speaker 1: So in two thousand and four they decided to sell
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  Speaker 1: the boat, just like a house, though with realtors and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's like brokers and fees to pay. Oh really, they
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  Speaker 1: weren't the most well off. All their money was in
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  Speaker 1: the boat, so to avoid that, they decided to go
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  Speaker 1: private sitells. So they avoided that like commission costs sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, you know, okay, which I feel like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people think about doing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, we thought about doing it with our house.
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  Speaker 2: We did think about doing it with the house. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they didn't go through a boat broker. They
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  Speaker 1: did it through private sale, which a lot of retired
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: people do. The pinched in the pennies, right, retired, you
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: don't have that income.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Well also like you may have more time too if
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: you're retired, right too, Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: To sell it to do that? Yeah, So they put
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: out ads in papers and even actually in boating magazines
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: such as Yachting World magazine. Okay, and the ad read
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty lean HWA trawler fifty five foot by fifteen
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: feet and eight inches one, three hundred and fifty fuel,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: outstanding condition, crews, ready, everything imaginable, four thousand, three hundred, sorry,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty five thousand dollars moored in Newport
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Beach by owner. So that was the add a lot.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what boat's going half.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: A million dollars in two thousand and four for.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in nineteen eighty yeah, so.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure if that's a lot for the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: boat specifically, But I mean that is good change.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of money.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is literally that's their equity right there.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Right, totally, Yeah, they need that.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So it didn't take long before the boat had a
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: potential buyer, Skyler. Delhion was a twenty five year old
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and was interested in the well deserved. Skyler said that
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: they had cash and lots of it, and claimed the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: money came from being a child actor in real estate investments.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Did they google that shit?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Google that shit? Google what shit?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Child is he? Actually? If he's was a child actor,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you could google that he was actually a child Oh
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: he actually was.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I'm already think of this dude's sketch, but maybe he's
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: not even a sketcherson.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: He boasted a lot about being on the Power Rangers
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: when he was younger, about being a child star and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Power Rangers. However, his role on Power Rangers was extremely minimal,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Like he was just a bit part for like an episode.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Oh but he was on the Power Ring.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly, That's exactly how he played it up.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I get into that a little bit more later on. Okay,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So immediately, Thomas, though was suspicious as a former probation officer.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Something wasn't right about this and the cash in hand
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: was a red flag.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well assessially at that age.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and for half a million dollars cash?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, has that just sitting there?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I wish we did.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually I get I jump on that bandwagon.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Please give me half a million dollars.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: But I put in the bank.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Regardless of being suspicious, though, they did decide to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: meet in person. Oh, I clicked something here. Where am I?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: No, oh, okay, I think I'm good.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: You're good.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I think so. Where am I? Though?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Does everything you own have stickers all over it?
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, because it's looking at your jab with.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: The sticker stickers. I love stickers.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: You love stickers.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They're fun. Okay.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Did you love stickers as a child, because I did? Yes, Okay.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I like to draw and put stickers and things on
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: things and stuff and things. Okay. Regardless of the stickers,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: they decided to meet in person, and when they did,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Skyler showed up to the meeting with a pregnant wife
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: named Jennifer de Lyon who was twenty three, and she
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: had their daughter in a stroller with them.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they had a little kid and she was pregnant.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, so it was a nice little fan okay.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, then your your spidey sense would go down, yes.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Most certainly.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So the family painted like happy, trustworthy picture and you know,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Jackie and Thomas is just like you said, your spidy
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: senses go down to. Reservations were at ease.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So the offer was cash in hand and the asking
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: price was four thousand, sorry four fuck.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Kay saying four thousand, like good deal?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and thirty five thousand, plus an additional
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand for some other onboard boat items for a
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: total of four hundred and fifty thousand, almost said four thousand.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Again, that's a lot of money.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of dope. Yeah, it's I wouldn't mind
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a chunk of.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Check, especially in two thousand and four or whatever, two
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: thousand four. Yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So only one more thing had to be done though,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: before the deal was official, oka a sea trial. Skyler
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: wanted the Hawks to take them out on the boat
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: so it could be inspected things like the hull and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the motors to ensure, you know, everything's like in working
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: order and it's up to par like they say it is, right,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: so they decided to schedule a day to take the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: boat out, and then when the day arrives, things were
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit different.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very intrigued.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So Thomas and Jackie were expecting Skyler and Jennifer to show, yeah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: but instead it was Skyler with two men, one of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: which claimed to be Skyler's accountant.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: It was odd, okay, because they would not need to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: ride the boat, test drive of the boat an accountant
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: your accountant, right? No? Yeah?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: No, well yeah it was.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I don't. I just don't think so.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But okay, it's odd. Well they found it odd. So
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Skyler and two two men.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, the other dude is nothing, just another dude. One's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: an accountant, one's Skyler.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Just a friend or something or something. I never really
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: found anything of them claiming the second dude was anything,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: or saying who he was or nothing. It was just
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Skyler and two dudes.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, But would you be alarmed? Because, like, I don't know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: if you were, if we were buying a boat like
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you would probably want to more so bring like your
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: dad to check it out than me. So is that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: really like alarming? Would you be alarmed?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe because I probably would tell the guy like, hey,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing my dad with me, and I'm pretty sure
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you would come to.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would come to.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so yeah, I mean they it was odd,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: but not like crazy weird or anything. So it was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: just odd. It's not what they expected. And yeah, okay,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: well let's head out in the water.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Something that you would like warn someone in the boat. Yeah, yeah, probably, Okay,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: let's do it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So they went out in the water. Did exactly that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: They went out for the sea trial.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Now, a friend of the Hawks, carter Ford, had evening
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: plans to meet up with them once they returned from
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the sea trial, and as it grew closer to the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: meeting time, he received a phone call from Jackie. She
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: said they weren't sure why they weren't back in the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: harbor yet, but that they were still in open water.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Skyler and the men he brought along with them, they
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: were still trialing the boat and they would and once
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: they were done, they called carter and just be like, okay,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: we're back in boats moored basically like they were taking
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: their sweet ass time out there.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, but she was on the boat too, She.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Was on the boat. So Jackie and Thomas are both
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: on the boat and she's like, I don't know why
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not back yet. They're still doing their thing. They're
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: taking the sweet last time. We'll call you when we
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: get back.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the sunset, darkness grew, and it got later
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and later and later into the night. Carter never received
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that phone call.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Shit, okay, So.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The morning came and they're in the harbor. More than
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that spot was the well deserved.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good. You would be like, oh, they've
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: done this.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But Thomas and Jackie were nowhere to be found.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they went out for breakfast.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Some mimosas, some eggs, Benny.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You know, they just sold their boat and they're celebrating,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know, living it up.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the first impressions that a lot
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of people had, because their SUV was also missing. So
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: friends thought that maybe they must have left for a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: spontaneous road trip to celebrate the sail of their boat,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: or maybe they quickly headed back to Arizona or something
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: for quick you know, Hurrah trip or who knows what. Yeah,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: but they figured, okay, well, they probably just spontaneously.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Took off but they definitely should have like called Carter.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which was which was weird that they didn't.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So the days began to roll by and still no
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: sign of Thomas and Jackie. On top of that, friends
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: noticed a couple odd things going on here.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm intrigued.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: First off, there is a dinghy that goes along with
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the Well Deserved. So when the boat is moored out
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in the harbor, it's staying on the water, it's anchored,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and then to get to shore, they use the dinghy
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to basically taxi back and forth and then tie the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: dinghy up at the dock.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, makes sense.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dingy wasn't tied to the dock.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: C oh okay, I was like the dingy was gone.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Dingy was there.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: He was at the dock, but not tied. He wasn't
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: tied correctly, not like what a boat or with experience would.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Tie it, not like a meticulous Thomas would do. He
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: kept very good care of his ship. Everything was in order.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Every not was perfect. This not was far from perfect,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: completely incorrect. Not at that it was not right.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Not okay, yeah, that would that would be one thing.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: A closer look actually at the boat because friends, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: thought this is weird.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Well did they go out into the big boat.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: They didn't go into it, but they were like they
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: boated around and close to it and looking at it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, they should have gone right in.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I would, Well, it's not their property. Yeah, but that's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: breaking and entering into a house, is what that's doing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But if it's your friend and you're like checking.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: On, that's still break. What if it's a crime scene,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you're breaking and entering into.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: A crimes I would have gone on the boat.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: You're going to smash into a friend's door and go
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: looking for them before calling the cops. I don't know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't think so, I don't know.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's the same as answer. I'm just gonna
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Know, so a closer look of the boat, because they
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: were they're peeking in, like saying, just like seeing if
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: anyone's parked in the driveway or whatever.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Sort of thing. It's dry buys, but with a boat, okay.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Showed tarps not covering equipment properly, a motor not put
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: in the correct position, and a towel hanging out of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: an open porthole window. Oh something wasn't right.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things going on there that
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: is not right.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They made sure everything was in its place, and everything
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was not in its place.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So of course police were called and investigators began looking
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: into the case, and the first place they did start
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was on board the Well Deserved.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Now they had no means of entry, so they had
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to break in. But it was investigators. It's for someone's
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: well being, right, Yeah, So they had every So that's okay.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Apparently it's lot officials.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It's not just some blonde with a glass of wine.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Where the fuck are you? But I'm coming in the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: dory some.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Blonde with a glass of wine. Achave me? Yeah, hey,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm drinking water. You're the one was always drinking.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I like alcohol, so do you.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I already had a glass of wine tonight. I does
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: not have another, okay.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I took a step of beer, so I had like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: gotta put it down. Okay. So they began looking on
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: board the Well Deserved and they had no means of entry,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: so they broke the lock. Blah blah blah blah, Am
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I here okay. So after entering, they almost immediately see,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you know, of course, things are scattered around. Things aren't.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: It's not a disaster, no struggle, it's just not well
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: kept and maintained like it should be.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, like they would have had it. Yes, yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And they also found a receipt laying on the open
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: floor okay. And the receipt was for a few things.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But among those things was bleach cleaning supplies, trash bags,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: oh shit, and thumbs a suspicious shopping lift.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: What the the thumbs for? A tummy?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Hold on? Hold on? So a suspicious, suspicious list that
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was also dated two days after they went missing. I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: think that was just in our headphones. Did you guys
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hear a buzz? We just had feedback. I think it
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was just our headphones.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I think it's the red lady. She followed us. A shit, shit,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: we gotta go. Okay, I'm so intrigued to know what
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the fuck the tombs is for. So let's go okay,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So one of the investigators said this, and I quote,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: if I was gonna kill somebody, I'd have my clean
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: kit and it will be bags to get rid of evidence,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to wipe down the scene, and maybe, if I had
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a conscience, some tombs to settle my stomach after killing
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: some poor people. Oh so that could be what the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: tombs are for.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. Okay, that's like just something that you well, Okay,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: so they were anxious. They might have had like the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: shits because they were like nervous about what they are doing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So they're buying this stuff and then they get buy
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: tombs too. Yeah, maybe if you're nervous rooms. I don't know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I think nervous people get the ships.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Well. I think like when I was younger, the first
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: time I bought condoms, about like twelve other things with
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it because I was nervous to buy condoms, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: act casual, right, get some chips with it or maybe
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a loaf of bread, you know.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I still feel like I'm like that with tampons. Is
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: so awkward because lots of times when I'm buying tampons,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I'm also buying like chocolate, and they're just like geez.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's an awkward thing. I think that's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: just a hormonal thing you crave and some chocolate and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: some snacky chips, you know. I don't know. I I've
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: never experienced a period, so I can't say for sure,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: but that's gonna be my guess.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: That's not the best, that's for sure.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Thank God. I'm a dude. I can pee standing up
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and I don't get cramps and bleed.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're lucky.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm lucky. I have you you are w Anyways,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that aside.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Holy let's keep going here.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So friends and family all knew that Thomas and Jackie
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: were selling the boats. The next step for investigators was
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to get a hold of the people who were interested
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in making the purchase. Skuyler and Jennifer said that they
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: had purchased the boat from the owners with cash in full,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and they hadn't seen them since the transaction.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they're saying that they at this point they
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: owned the boat.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's their boat. They owned the boat, they paid for it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: They don't where Thomas and Jackie are.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, Okay, So if.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: This is true, there must have been a deposit into
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the bank of Thomas and Jackie Hawk.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: However, well, not necessarily was cash and they took off.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So are they just running around with half a million
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: dollars in cash?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: They don't see. They don't seem like the kind of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: people that would do that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. Yeah, so there was no deposit into the account. Okay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Other than this, the buyers weren't like the most helpful
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: or to give a lot of info. They're like, I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: don't know we bought the boat. We don't know where
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: they are. That's about it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: People are missing be helpful. I know that's rude.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So trying to get more information, the investigators began to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: stake out the couple and follow them around. Okay, Jackie
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was followed to a hair salon where she worked. Should
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: go in, go about her shift, and go home? Both
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the two of them. Jackie and Skyler were both followed
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to a church where they volunteered for cleaning inside the church. Oh,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: they were living normal lives. They were literally giving no
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: reason for foul play, any suspicious behavior or nothing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, so interesting. I wonder if they knew they were
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: being followed.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think they did. No, they were just living
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: their life.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Investigators began to dig a little deeper, you know, trying
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to find something. There's got to be something. Something's not right.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: We have too some people, no evidence of transaction.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Definitely not right.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Definitely not right.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Like, let's get this shit figured out. I hope this
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: is this is not one of those ones where, oh,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: we don't know what's happened.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, we know what's happened.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank god, we know what's happened, because I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: want to deal with that today.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So they dug deeper and they found that the couple
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: was living in Jackie's parents' garage, which had been converted
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: into a suite, and that Jackie was actually the breadwinner
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of the family and being a hairdresser, it's not like
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they're making the money, Skyler claimed. They were.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, okay for sure, and they're just
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: living and they're just living in her parents' garage.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. Interesting, So those real estate purchases or whatever didn't exist.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And like I said, he was just a bit part
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: on the Power Rangers show and they were in debt
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: eighty seven thousand dollars. Oh, not the kind of people
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: who could afford a yacht.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah with cash?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah that's not happening.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: No, that is definitely not happening.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I skipped over a bit of the Power Rangers
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: info there because we already covered it all. I just
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: looked at it. I'm like, oh, we already said it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But like that's actually true that he was in The
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Power Rangers. Yep, Okay, I don't know why, but I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: just doing I think I think he was in The.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Power Rangers twice for like a total of like three
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: or four seconds.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: No, Like, how much would that even make? You?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Like? Nothing, he probably made like, I don't know, two
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks or something. Yeah, I have no idea, huh.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And it's not like The Power Rangers was super high budget,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Like it's super cheesy acting. First of all, you claim
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you're on the Power Rangers for being acting. It's like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not like great a acting there. Don't
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: get me wrong.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember. I can't I have like, I mean,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I watched the shows, but it's been a while.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I love the Power Rangers. I love them as a kid,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: love them now. They're very entertaining, athletic people. The costume
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: design was great, but it was cheesy. It was cheesy.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It was meant for kids.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So there's some suspicious thing about mister Power Rangers and Jennifer.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So Skyler gets brought in for questioning from investigators and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: they want to know where they got the cash from.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Fair question.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: After talking for a little while, Skyler admits something.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, what does she amit?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Skyler admits the money was made using drug sales for Mexico.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, I don't know why, but I wasn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: expecting that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yep, and Skyler maintained the story. They did the transaction
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: mostly in one hundred dollars bills, and from there, Thomas
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and Jackie asked Skyler if they could use the connections
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: from the drug transactions to help open a bank in
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Mexico where they could buy a house down there.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: What that's confusing and doesn't make sense? Hold on, hold on, okay.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: From there, they gave Skyler the power of a hernie
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: over their finances to do so, and Skyler was able
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to provide a signed document to the police to prove it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense, like zero sentence.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Not only were signatures required for this document, though fingerprints
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: were required as well.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you were held at friaking gunpot on
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a boat, you'd probably do that. Shit, Maybe I would.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: There was even a notary who witnessed the signings of
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the document and described the same events of the transaction
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: as Skyler and Jennifer was.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: The notary the freaking dude that was on the boat.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It was not w But here's the thing. The notary
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: was asked to describe the events, did so in perfect detail,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and was asked to describe Thomas and Jackie. Thomas she
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: described to a t Jackie. However, she described Jackie as
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: having long, brown curly hair. Jackie no longer had long
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: brown curly hair. Jackie since they purchased the boat, she
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: had cut her hair shorter and had it bleach blonde
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and spiked, but she did used to have long, brown
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: curly hair.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I'm confused. Am I supposed to be getting something that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: You're not getting nothing until it's revealed. Trust me.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Here, am I gonna be shocked?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: We'll find out, because right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just like, what the fuck?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are. This might be a long episode because
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do this in one. So sorry if this
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: is a long episode guys, but we are not going
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to separate this too. You guys ain't gonna wait. You're
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: gonna hear it all.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to. I'm not waiting for shit.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, So none of this, like you said, none of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: this has makeing sense.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: No, I'm like utterly confused.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Like, these two people just gave power of attorney over
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: all their finances to someone they don't even know. Yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: who's involved in drug trafficking and there's documentation and witnesses
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to prove it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And Jackie looks like she's the Jackie of the past.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, according to the who. So that's a lot to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: absorb there, It's a lot.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Like I actually feel like, why the fuck do I
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: not have a glass of wine?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Skyler's saying that Jackie and Thomas basically went
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: took off to Mexico to buy a house there. So
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: if they did take off to miss Mexico, investigators still
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: need to find them. They need to confirm what Skyler claims.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: They need to make sure that the couple that the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Hawks are Okay, So they put out a national video
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: with Thomas's son Ryan, asking for the public's help to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: find his parents, and they gave him description of the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: missing suv as well along with it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Because yeah, they were going to Arizona, not Mexico. So okay,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just confused.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Well, that's where they were going to move back to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: see family, Yes, Arizona, okay, And they're currently in California
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: when they went missing. So literally like that, that's not
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: even anywhere near Arizona. Like Mexico's Mexico, Arizona's Arizona.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Like but yeah, yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, So they put out the public broadcast. They got
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a hit. Someone had found the missing suv.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: A US citizen called in and said that they were
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: in Mexico and they were standing in front of and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: looking directly at the missing suv that was just on TV.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: It was found.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: The suv was parked outside of a residence and the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: homeowner said that Skyler Delion was an old surfing buddy
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and gave him the vehicle. Then his wife, Jennifer stopped
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: by in another vehicle and they drove home and inside
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the car they found Skyler's DNA from a swab on
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Jackie Jennifer.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, am I getting names mixed up? Now?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe? Am I getting names mixed up? Now? Why did
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you do this to me?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Well? Now I'm just like what Skyler.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And it's Thomas and Jackie are the hawks?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Okay? Sorry I am confused.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Then okay, and yeah, Skyler and Jennifer are the purchasers.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, I'm I'm confused. You need to explain this.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Skyler dropped off the suv, yes.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And gave it to an old surfing buddy in Mexico.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Why did Skyler have the suv? Though?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I do, Okay.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm confused. I was expecting it to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: be Thomas and Jackie that had the SUV. So sorry,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, didn't I pretty much just making up
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: the story in my head. And that's wrong.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's wrong Skyler and Jennifer were in possession of Thomas
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and Jackie's suv. Thomas and Jackie are the ones that are.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Missing, okay. And did Jennifer say anything about them giving
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: this suv to someone? No, Okay, Skyler, that's already fucked
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: up from what they said.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of fucked up stuff going on.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of stuff does not make sense.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because yeah, okay, this is yeah, you have
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea how this is going to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: go down.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Good. That's kind of the point.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: That is probably the point, yes, of this podcast.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: So clearly something's wrong doesn't make sense, as your kerfuffle shows.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, sorry, people, I'm okay. Maybe everyone else is
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: having trouble keeping up because this is wild.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It is wild, but whatever's going wrong, Like investigators are
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: just baffled and they're just trying to find evidence. They're
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what the fuck is happening.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Well, they're doing a good job looking through everything.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I like that they did and to start with, to
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: try and dig deeper, what they did was they arrested
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Skyler for money laundering because I've already confessed confessed to
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that drug money. Well, yeah, and now they could actually
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: get a warrant to search the apartment that the garage.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: The garage apartment. Oh okay, that's good, that's good.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So inside their apartment, suite or whatever. In the garage
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: they found a lot of personal effects belonging to the Hawks,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: like cameras, laptops, and even identification from their wallets. Jackie's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: identification was an older photo on her driver's license where
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: she still had her long, brown, curly hair.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that doesn't make sense of why the notary
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: would be describing it wrong, does it not?
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: If the notary wasn't actually there, but she was describing
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: them based off their ideas.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That she saw off the identification.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting, But the notary needed to have been there in person.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Problem legally yes? Oh shit, so now it's like someone else.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: They're fucked I don't even.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Know how to like go on talking about this without
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: giving too much stuff. Every thought up, Oh they done
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: did fucked up?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't like them.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: No, So even though they still don't have a story,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: this does show involvement. But even still, could it be
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just Skyler? What about Jennifer? Was she an accomplice in
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: something whatever that's happening here?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yes she is.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they do have video surveillance at a bank that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: shows both Skyler and Jennifer trying to withdraw money from
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the Hawk's bank account. What the frig said, power of
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: attorney paperwork showing that she was just as involved. She's
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: got a big shit eating grin on her face the
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: whole time she's in.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: That bank is involved.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Thankfully, though the transaction actually was declined, the bank manager
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: knew the Hawks good and though they had legitimate paperwork,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: They're like, we need to verify this before we can
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: make any sort of transaction, which is good.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: But technically that bank manager could have just giving it out.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Eh, technically I think yeah, yeah, signature's fingerprints everything, they're there.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So they wanted to validate it first, and that stopped
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: them from getting the money.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Because one hundred percent I think Jennifer is involved because
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: she went initially mm hmm, and she dang well knew
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: that they had not half a million dollars for this boat.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and she's trying to withdraw a half a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: million dollars from their account.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So again, investigators keep digging into anything they could, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: eventually they had someone recommend something. One of the investigators
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: was just at a loss and he was talking to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: a boating buddy, and he said, he's like, you know, boating.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: He's like, we're trying to figure out if there was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: a murder on board this ship, this yacht, if there
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: was a murder or something amiss, what's something that I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: should look for, you know, boating tell me sort of thing, right, okay,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And the guy said, without even skipping a beat, immediately
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: look for a missing anchor.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, oh, that's good.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Actually, So they go back and in all of the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: photos of the Well Deserved on the front bow of
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the boat, there are two anchors. There are one for
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: each side of the front of the boat. Okay, they
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: go to the ad in the magazine, all the home
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: videos footage that they took, there's two anchors. They go
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: back to the boat, there's one anchor on.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: The NOA, No, okay, I'm sure they can lie through
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that though.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it doesn't really mean a.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Lot necessarily potentially falling off. It could.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: It's all circumstantial evidence. Yeah, there's nothing that really ties
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: all this together because I mean even the stuff in
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: their apartment. Yeah, we bought the boat. It was stuff
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: they left behind.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Prove it, prove it, prove it it's not And why
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't they use two anchors, one for each body. They're
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just going to tie the garbage banks to one anchor.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Who knows. So they literally don't have smoking gun though
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: there's no bodies, there's no blood, there's no murder weapons,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: there's nothing. It's just people are missing. You have some
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of their possessions and.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: That's it, and they just probably have a gut feeling.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and legal documentation that they now.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Have power over their money, which is why.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, investigators began looking for confession. It's the only way
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: that they're going to get anything out of this. It's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: there at a brick wall a dead end. Confession is
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the only way anything's going.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: To happen, because trying to find the bodies too would
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: just be like in the ocean, would be like a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: needle and a paystick. Oh harder than that, yeah, worse.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Everyone that they could. They tried to interrogate, tried to question,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and everyone held their story. Skyler, Jennifer, the notary, everyone
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: held the same story. Nope, this is what happened. They
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: purchased it in cash. They have the power of attorney.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Don't know where they are, which is impressive.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Until one person was brought in for questioning the attorney.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: The attorney, oh, the accountant, the accountants.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, there were two men on board.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you are Tim Hank, Mary Sue.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Oh I damn it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Oh you got far too excited there.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I did push buttons on a tablet. Where am I? Now?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: So the one of the two men that were joining Skyler?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, but the question is like, who are they right? Well, yeah,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence pointing and.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: One of them probably isn't even an accountant. Well yeah, exactly,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was a lie.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So how they got hold of one of those two men?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: He was staring him in the face all along. One
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: of those men was a witness on the power of
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: attorney that was signed. That man was Alonso Shane a
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: chain he signed his name on that document. The match
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to track him down and brought him in for questioning,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and Alonso decided he was gonna do the right thing,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and he told investigators everything. Oh he spilled the proverbial beans.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Wow, that easy? Eh?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: That easy? Well, I mean there was a little bit
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: more than that. Initially, It basically it breaks down to
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: he tried to run to Mexico. He did escape into Mexico,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and then investigators I got a hold of them and
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: they were like, you know, like if you talk to
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: us and you confess whatever, blah blah, will reduce your sentencing.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And then anyways, he did come in for questioning. He
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: decided to do the right thing. So it's a little
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: bit more complicated than that. But it's like, well, I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: just sa necessary.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: He's the motherfucker that needed the toms, you think, So, yeah,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: he probably had an upset stomach ache from all this shit.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you now. They never
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: ended up using any of that stuff that was purchased,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: and it was actually Jennifer's dad who purchased those things.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure it's kind of that was kind
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: of a dead end.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: That's not very fun.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: They learned that, Okay, that stuff was purchased by Jennifer's dad.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: They have security footage of it at a hardware store
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: or whatever store. But why was that receipt on board?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Well, why did Jennifer's dad purchase those things? Was he
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: murdering someone?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Well, they just like, oh, it's just a shopping list.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: There's so that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the end of that. There's no more
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: information on that. It's just a shopping list.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Hopefully you never come home with that kind of shopping
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: list because then I feel like I'm fucked.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: No kidding, but yeah, clearly I think there was intent there,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: but I think plans changed, and this is what actually
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: did happen. This is what the plan was. The plan
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: was to set out an open water with Alonso and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: another man who was the accountant and I shit you not.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: His name is John f Kennedy. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Okay,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: he was a big guy and he was a notorious
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: gang member.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Oh that's so scary.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: So these two men and Skyler went on board and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: hit the open water. The plan is going to be
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: that John or JFK I'm going to call him. JFK
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: is going to fake see sickness when they're on the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: open water, and he's going to head down to one
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: of the lower decks on the boat. Now, once below,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: he's going to wait for Thomas to follow and check
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: on him.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, because Thomas is a nice guy exactly, So that's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: what he did.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: He's down below and he waited.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, not long after, Thomas followed down to check
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: on him and see if he's okay, and right behind
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: him followed Skyler. Peke Skyler and JFK jumped Thomas and
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: tackled him to the ground and using a taser, subdued him.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Now that leaves I don't like that. Alonzo and Jackie Deck.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Jackie heard the commotion down below. Shit, and that commotion
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: was the sign for a Lonzo to take control of
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: her using a taser as well. Wow, so now he
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: subdued her and handcuffed her.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: See, I hate this, and they're freaking the middle of
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: the goddamn ocean. This is why I'm not ever going
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: in the ocean.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: This is why this is the reason specifically, So I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: don't get tased in handcuffed.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and then you you're fucked.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you ever go in the ocean, you're gonna
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: get You're you're gonna get jumped by JFK. That's your fear.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: That is a fear and a half JFK specifically.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Holy, Okay, So this okay. So they're both basically like
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: subdued and tasered yep.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And Jackie's handcuffed and she's handcuffed. I'm assuming too something
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: because a Lonzo is ordered by Skyler to go to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the engine room and get duct tape, and from there
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: they duct tape both of them. They bind them. They're
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: buying their hands and their legs enough that they can
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: just walk a little bit, but they're duct tape up tight,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: including across their eyes and mouth.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I just hate that visual.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: So once they were bound, they were placed on the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: bed and then Skyler went to the GPS on board
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the boat and put in coordinates for the deepest part
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: of the nearby ocean at Catalina Island. Of course, then
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the Hawks were one at a time, led to the
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: kitchen and were forced to sign the power of attorney
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: they were told if they did, they would get to live,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and if they didn't, they would be killed right then
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and there.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Oh guaranteed you'd get killed either way.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So both Jackie and Thomas signed the power of attorney.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yep, I mean you have to, really, what else would
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: you do?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: One really cool thing. I'm gonna say here. Jackie is
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: our badass of the day for this is she What
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: did she do while signing the power of attorney? I said,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: everything on its legit right, Yeah, fingerprints did something?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: What did she do?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Not? Everything was legit?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: What did she do?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Their last name is hawks h A W K S. Okay,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: she didn't sign her full name. She signed Jackie Hawk,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: signaling something wasn't right. So investigators, handwriting experts all that
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: could see that the S was forged. So they believe
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Jackie was trying to signal someone that this is a
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: whole fucked up situation.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Seriously, But then these people added the S after they
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: did Really, yep, that's interesting, okay, I do I find
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: that actually interesting that they would have noticed that I
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: do too and added it like I actually almost like wow.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So huh.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Once they arrived at the destination that was put into
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the GPS the deepest sea, Thomas and Jackie were led
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: to the deck of the boat, still bound with duct
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: tape no where. Skyler dragged the chain from the anchor
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: across the deck of their beloved Well Deserved and began
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to secure both of them to the chain with rope.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Shit, did he at least kill them first? I don't
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: know what would be better.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: The entire time Jackie was begging, saying, please, well, kill us,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I want to see my grandson one more time.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you guys are fucking assholes.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: And the entire time Thomas was just trying to calm
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: her down, keep her crying.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Oh no, and.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Thomas reassured her. And this is a quote from Alonso.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: He said that Thomas was telling her this at least
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: will be together.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Oh no, like ouch, oh my freaking heart, it just hurts.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: So then it hurts. Skuyler, without even any remorse, threw
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the anchor overboard, the chain quickly dragging across the deck
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: as it sank, and Thomas and Jackie hawk waited their
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: last moments above water as they heard the frantic clanking
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of the chain rushing off the deck before it finally
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: grabbed their bounds. And slung them off the boat into
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the cold water. There thirty six hundred feet down to
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean, Thomas and Jackie Hawk met
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: their grave and to this day their bodies have never
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: been recovered.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just like, that's some Titanic shit
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: right there. Yeah, that's freaking sad. They didn't kill them first.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: It didn't kill them first, they just thw And a
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: little morbid fact about drowning for.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: You, Oh, I really really really don't know if.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I want to know, can take up to ten minutes
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: before a person is clinically clinically dead. The average person
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: can hold their breath for about thirty seconds after the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: body's reflexes kicks in. It tries to breathe, and you
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: inhale water and can remain conscious inhaling, gasping, choking, Your
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: throat closes off to try and keep water out for
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: up to two minutes before you pass out.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for that shit.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Welcome. It's not a true crime podcast if I don't
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: put in the facts like that brutal.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So you're like struggling for a long fucking time.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: And imagine being like in that situation where you're frantic
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and like Jackie's bawling. Imagine trying to hold your breath
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: while your anxiety is that high and your.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Ball Oh and you probably have like ten seconds.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I doubt she even could have held a breath at all.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, well, what was the point of all this? Like,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: what the hell?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Well? Skyler, Alonzo and JFK and Jennifer were all arrested
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and they were put on trial. While in jail, Skyler,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: as it turns out, was a suspect for a previous
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: murder in Mexico and was being investigated for a third
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: murder where a man by the name of John Jarviy
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: died and had his throat cut. While in prison, Skyler
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: actually revealed that a gender reassignment surgery was a high
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: on their priority list for him. That was the motive
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: money for a reassignment. Skyler had a surgery booked for
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: two weeks after the disappearance of the Hawks and would
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: have cost seventeen thousand dollars, but they didn't have the money.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you mean? I'm confused? Like he wanted
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: to change his gender so that he could get away
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: with the crimes.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: No, Schylar used to go by he and I didn't
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: tell you about this because I didn't want to. It
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: would have messed up the story, the confusion. Yes, and
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it's the motive I wouldn't want to tell you that.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: So Skyler actually doesn't go by he. Skyler is now she.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Skyler is she. So we are going to refer to
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Skyler as she from here on out. Okay. I did
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: know that the whole time through, and I tried to
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: do my best to say he, but and I don't
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: want to. I just want to point this out. I'm
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: not going to refer to Skyler as she to respect Skyler,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Fuck Skyler. I'm going to refer to Skyler as she
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: to respect the people out there who are struggling with
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: transgender and to support them, just saying.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: So she's with Jennifer and Jennifer was pregnant, right, yes, Okay.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: So while in prison, Skyler was actually so desperate that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: she tried to cut off her own manhood that I'm
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: sure it would feel pretty bad, especially when it was
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: with a razor blade.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Oh shit.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Oh so this is an angering part. Actually, because of this,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: taxpayers have now actually paid for the surgery. Skyler has
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: now gone through the transition through taxpayers money while in
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: jail because of this and because of like the mental
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: health issues and their current state. So that kind of
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: fucking pisses me off because there's people who like deserve
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: it or earn it, where Skylar fucking.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Just got it handed.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to go through this pretty quick. We're
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: almost there, I know.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Can I just say, like, oh, really quickly? So like
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: they just saw these these people's ads ad and it
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: probably was like they have money, and so they just
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: like plan this whole thing out, yep.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: So they can get money, set out of debt, maybe
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: have a boat they could live on, get out of
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the garage, and Skyler could get it get the surgery
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: gender assignments.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: That is some wild motives.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, one little tidbit I didn't actually say, Actually I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to, but I'm going to now just to
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: show how heartless Skyler was. On the way back from
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: throwing Thomas and Jackie overboard, he was throwing their personal
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: effects overboard anything he didn't want to keep, she didn't
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: want to keep, sorry, and decided that it was a
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: great time to fish on the way back.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, just sounds like a monster, Like an
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: actual monster. Yes, that's so disgusting.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: So November seventeenth, two thousand and six, Jennifer was found
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: guilty on two accounts of first degree murder and was
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: sentenced to two life terms without the possibility of parole.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Good fuck yeah, still in jail.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping without possibility of parole some yeah, oh.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Without Oh yeah, see right away, I just assumed we're
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: gonna be album like five ten years.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: February nineteenth, two thousand and nine, John Fitzgerald Kennedy aka
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: JFK was found guilty on two accounts of first degree
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: murder and on May one nine, was sentenced to death.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Oh you got the death penalty.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: They still have the death penalty down there, I guess.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: So interesting.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Alonzo mc chain, who was the one who told the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: whole story okay and was promised, you know, a reduced sentence.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, they probably had some sort.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Of deal, yep, was given said lesser sentence for his
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: cooperation and was and he pleaded guilty to two accounts
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: of voluntary manslaughter, kidnapping, and robbery. On June fifteenth, two
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: thousand and nine. He was sentenced to twenty years and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: four months. His first eligible for parole is September of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so not very far away.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: So this could be in the news soon really yeap.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: On October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Skuylar Delhion was
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: convicted of three accounts of first degree murder because remember
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: there was that third oh that on trial four?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Right? Like who else died? But yeah, I remember, with.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Special circumstance, dances of financial gain and multiple victims. I'm
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: gonna read that sentence again because I totally boy, I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: got it. So Skyler jell yone was convicted of three
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: accounts of first degree murder with special circumstances for financial
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: gain and multiple victims, and on November sixth, two thousand
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and eight, the jury rendered a verdict. Skyler was found
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: guilty and sentenced to death.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was like, if that other guy was sentenced,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: this one has to be. She does. Wow. Okay, so
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: are they dead? I wonder?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't look that up. Shit, I should look
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that up right now.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on my phone here because it's faster
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: than my tablet. Okay, let's see. Let's give it a.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Quick Google because lots of times, even with like who
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: just died again?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Oh that's something I should have talked about the beginning, Yeah, Rodney, right,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Rodney Alcala.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like honestly should have already had been executed, yeah,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: like law ago.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: So the fact that they just got to just die
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: like natural or whatever causes is like, what the hell?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: So Skyler je Leone is still alive and is now
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: at the age of forty.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: One, of course, why the hell is she not executed yet? Yeah,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it takes a long time. Ehe
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: there must be like so many processes you have to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: go through or something for that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little ridiculous because, like you say, Rodney
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Alcala was on death row for how many years? Die
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: natural causes? I mean, he should have been killed. He
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: should have been gone from this world at least he's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: gone now. But now there's no like retribution for that family,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and who knows the same sort of thing
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: could happen to Skyler. She could sit on death row
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: for who knows how many years and die of natural cause.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Which is sad because like those lovely people had children, Yeah,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: you know, like they left behind like oh, gosh, like,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: go spend time with their grandkid and that's just brutal.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. These people are trash scrawls. You trash, Jennifer,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you trash. Alonso not as much a trash, but you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: still trash, still trash, and JFK you trash, trash all
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: of them. You're nasty, You nasty, all right? That I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: think that's officially our longest episode you've ever done.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was interesting. I mean, like I needed
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to know, I had like we had to.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of information. It was a big
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: old spider web and tangle mess yep of stuff.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I honestly just don't feel that great about it.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's people like this make me sick.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's freaking sad. God, I don't think I'm
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: going to sell my car in the newspaper. That shit's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: just getting traded in the dealership.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: If you do sell it in the driveway, you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: to privately or whatever like that, maybe just have a
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: baseball bat at your side something.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all my wolf husky rim beside me?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was she going to do? Pet me?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Pet me? Love me?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for sticking around for over an hour.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good and I.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed the episode, Babe, I hope you guys
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the episode.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening everyone, man, stay wicked.