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Hour Two | Combine Medicals, Gruesome Injuries & Eligibility Debates · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Off the bench. We have to Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the plays get broken down and Science gets denied
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  Speaker 1: to come off the bitch. Hour two of Off the Bench,
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  Speaker 1: Live from the Raising Kine Studio.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back here Off the Bench Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 2: taking off hour at number two. Thanks for joining us
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  Speaker 2: this morning. We hear it's a beautiful day out today.
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  Speaker 2: We don't really know, so we come in when it's dark.
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing doing great? Everything's good, everything's We're
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  Speaker 3: in the big chair today. I'm feeling special over here.
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  Speaker 2: This is great. I know you had to move Cane
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  Speaker 2: the dogs. You didn't have to hit her too, put
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  Speaker 2: him in their place. Oh, everything's good though, life's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's great. All right? Good you were you? Did you
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  Speaker 2: come talk to Taylor and laundr last week?
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  Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, actually I got to have your chair last week,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm getting the whole He's the studio.
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  Speaker 4: He schooled us on like the Earth orbiting and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about that a little bit, Yes, Spring equinox.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor made the point yesterdays. It's like, why don't we
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  Speaker 2: just like take a day away from a couple of months.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we talked about and how we could do it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because eventually, if you did take a day away
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  Speaker 5: from a month, like winter would be in the spring,
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  Speaker 5: summer would be in the winter, it'd be that kind
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  Speaker 5: of situation.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want that.
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  Speaker 4: M hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Combine week, combine combine. Wee what a week? What a
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  Speaker 2: what a week? We talked about So Jake and I
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  Speaker 2: talked about this a lot, like leading up to the Combine.
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  Speaker 2: He's at the Combine this week, so we talked about
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  Speaker 2: a lot Monday too. It is certainly a huge week
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  Speaker 2: for every player involved. It's certainly a huge week. And
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  Speaker 2: and the sexy stuff is what most people talk about.
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  Speaker 2: It's like what forty to run? How much did he bench?
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  Speaker 2: How much did he do this? Well, we looked at
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  Speaker 2: the schedule yesterday, like quarterbacks, receivers, running backs report on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: They don't even hit the field till Saturday. Saturday. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's four nights that they got and then I think
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  Speaker 2: they do bench press on Sunday, so like it's a long,
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  Speaker 2: long week. It's even longer than when went back of
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  Speaker 2: my day, like twenty years ago doing it. So most
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  Speaker 2: of this is certainly player interviews, but the other important part,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is on the medical side of things. These
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  Speaker 2: kids are put through the wringer. If you will have you,
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about your kind of you probably
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  Speaker 2: have some stuff going on with the comb I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: these team doctors before they even get to the combine,
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  Speaker 2: especially people like high on lists and their teams are
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  Speaker 2: thinking about I'm sure they're reaching out to colleges and
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  Speaker 2: getting different medical documents and opinions and talking to team doctors. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a process.
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  Speaker 3: So we definitely have episodes where we have teams reach
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  Speaker 3: out to us, especially if you have a you know,
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  Speaker 3: a big player that had any kind of a major injury.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you know right away you're getting something that
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  Speaker 3: there is anything in their medical history. They're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: all the documentation, they're gonna have the notes, the imaging,
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  Speaker 3: everything that was done to that athlete up to this point.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have access to that. And and I did you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, I get that got the pleasure of getting to
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  Speaker 3: go to the Combine one year as a medical provider.
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  Speaker 3: Got I was in the room with the Saints when
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  Speaker 3: they were there, and and getting to see that whole process.
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  Speaker 3: And I know y'all have talked about it, but it
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  Speaker 3: was it was an eye opening experience. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: it is and and I felt so guilty for the
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  Speaker 3: medical treatment these guys get and and again it's all
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  Speaker 3: obviously of the best intentions and and look, it's a
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  Speaker 3: huge investment if you're drafting a guy, especially you're going
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  Speaker 3: to draft a guy early, and a big part of
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  Speaker 3: it is is the medical You don't want to draft
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  Speaker 3: a guy who's only going to play for a season
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  Speaker 3: and then be out, or a guy there's no we're going.
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  Speaker 2: To see the fieldment.
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  Speaker 3: So so it was a it was an interesting process,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the and I know y'all talked about it some.
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  Speaker 3: Every you know, every team gets a and so the
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  Speaker 3: way the way they did it is you had one
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  Speaker 3: room right in the beginning, so all the players come
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  Speaker 3: through this one room and that's.
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  Speaker 2: Like the general medroom.
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  Speaker 3: And I know you went through it, but in that room,
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  Speaker 3: that's where you're you're geting your bood pressure, you're getting
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  Speaker 3: an ey KG. You have a doc listened to your
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  Speaker 3: heart and lungs and all the basic medical non orthopedic, muscular,
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  Speaker 3: skeletal stuff. And the funny thing is you do that
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  Speaker 3: once and and and and one doctor or you usually
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  Speaker 3: two docks that represent two different teams. So if like
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  Speaker 3: you and I were docks for you know, the Saints
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  Speaker 3: and the Bucks, we'd be in that room and then
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the docks kind of just take you
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  Speaker 3: my report and they say, okay, this is But then
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  Speaker 3: you go to the orthopedic side. And that's the part
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  Speaker 3: y'all were talking about where every team there's there's like
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  Speaker 3: we leave six rooms. Yeah, uh five or six teams
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  Speaker 3: in each room.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. I think that. I think that's right because I
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  Speaker 2: think Jake said that you sit in one room, but
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  Speaker 2: I remember it going to a couple of different rooms
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  Speaker 2: that had like eight doctors like cracking their knucklesh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's go.
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  Speaker 3: And I will say the part that was interesting there's
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  Speaker 3: still a good bit of camaraderie in the medicine, which
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  Speaker 3: I was a little bit surprised. So so like in
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  Speaker 3: our room, for example, is like the Saints, the Bucks,
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  Speaker 3: the Giants, I think the Panthers, and I think the
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  Speaker 3: packers are in our room and and so each one
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  Speaker 3: has a couple docks, they have their athletic trainers, and
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  Speaker 3: so you know, when you're in there, we're gonna do
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  Speaker 3: a basic orthopedic exam and then focus on any injury
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  Speaker 3: you had. So if you had a shoulder injury while
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  Speaker 3: you were here, or high ankle injury, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: really take a look at that. And if and if
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  Speaker 3: I think that we need to get an MRI in
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  Speaker 3: your ankle based on what we see or have or
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  Speaker 3: don't have, I'm gonna order the MRI. And then then
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  Speaker 3: you go to the next room, and the next room
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  Speaker 3: might be five other teams, and they say, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: we need to get a CT scan in a shoulder. So
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  Speaker 3: then they're going to write that on your sheet. And
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  Speaker 3: so at the end of the day you have this
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  Speaker 3: sheet with all the evaluations and you're gonna have all
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  Speaker 3: these studies. They have the MRI machines there at Lucas Oil.
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  Speaker 3: They have the semis out back. Really, yeah, they are
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  Speaker 3: there at the facility now, so you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: go to the hospitals all the side. Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 3: the w So that's yeah, because you have the mobile
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  Speaker 3: units where they can do it. So it's all done
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  Speaker 3: there at least unless it's maybe some kind of really
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  Speaker 3: bizarre test that you need to get done. And and
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  Speaker 3: so at the end of the day you're gonna say, ok, hey, Matt,
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  Speaker 3: your your mrise at eight o'clock to night. They have
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  Speaker 3: that thing run late late late, you know, through the night,
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  Speaker 3: and then the next day like one a one time
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  Speaker 3: from the hostil I was at the hospital for eight
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  Speaker 3: hours and I think, I don't know how late it goes.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably nearly round the clock. And then the next
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  Speaker 3: day we get those reports back and then we kind
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  Speaker 3: of go back and we look at it. But the
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  Speaker 3: part that was interesting is all the teams in that
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  Speaker 3: room together at least talk, So after you leave the room,
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  Speaker 3: we would all sit there and talk and and for me,
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  Speaker 3: maybe one of the greatest educational experiences I've had as
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  Speaker 3: a doctor was sitting here listening to the best of
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  Speaker 3: the best you know in that room. At least it's
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  Speaker 3: five teams, and so I'm listening to the you know,
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  Speaker 3: Bobby Anderson, who's a legendary foot and ankle guy who
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  Speaker 3: at the time is with the Packers. I'm listening to
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  Speaker 3: him talk about ankle injuries and this guy's ankle.
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  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, for the athletes, you go.
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  Speaker 3: From room to room, people are pulling on your niche,
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  Speaker 3: whist on, and especially if you had a knee injury,
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  Speaker 3: we are going to test the every living you know
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  Speaker 3: what out of that. I mean, it is insane. And
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  Speaker 3: so then you leave at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, you probably weren't sore and you got there.
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  Speaker 3: But if I pull on your knee over and over
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  Speaker 3: and over, even if that needs great, it's gonna it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be soords it's but and then the interesting thing
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  Speaker 3: is the all the teams talk. But then at the end,
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  Speaker 3: each team comes up with their own assessment, and we
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  Speaker 3: would grade you as like if you had nothing, you
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  Speaker 3: would be an A, and there's nobody this an except
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  Speaker 3: for maybe a punter. And then then it was like
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  Speaker 3: a B. And this is like every team has on
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  Speaker 3: her scale, but some version of this. And then you
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  Speaker 3: get to like a C. And that's what really most
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  Speaker 3: people are. That means you've had injuries rather significant. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: some that may give you issues. And then we had
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  Speaker 3: a designate a number. I'll give you a C five,
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  Speaker 3: which means you're a you've had some injuries, and I
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  Speaker 3: think you've got a five year career based on your
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  Speaker 3: medical alone. And I mean that's it's a lot of speculation,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a lot of pressure. And then like you
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  Speaker 3: had like a D or an E, which was like
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  Speaker 3: the guy who has a current injury, so we have
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  Speaker 3: to reassess you. And then then you fail a guy
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  Speaker 3: like hey, I don't think you'll ever play, Yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: know so, and the whole thing is crazy, and and
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  Speaker 3: and then to do all that, and I remember the
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  Speaker 3: year I was there that there was there was guys
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  Speaker 3: that would come through and and this is their dream.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, you'd hear these guys talking like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: his knees are horrible, their shot, he's already got early
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  Speaker 3: arthritis in both knees.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't gonna last three years.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the guy that may have been like
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  Speaker 3: a fifth round prospect who's now out of the draft
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  Speaker 3: because of that grade. And it's it's and you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe one team doesn't feel that way. You hope for
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  Speaker 3: that kid, but on the other hand, it's like, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: this is this is brutal.
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  Speaker 2: Now do you all would the doctors like communicate, Like
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  Speaker 2: if you're in the same room and you got a
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  Speaker 2: Green Bay doctor and then you got a Broncos doc, Derek,
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  Speaker 2: could they potentially have two completely different evaluations? For sure?
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  Speaker 3: For sure, now we're gonna talk about the eval altogether.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe I don't think that your knee situation is
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  Speaker 3: quite as bad. I'm like, you know, I might saw
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  Speaker 3: I might grade you like a B and he might
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  Speaker 3: say you're a C and or I might say you're
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  Speaker 3: a C five and give you a C two. So
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of variability and and that's where the
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  Speaker 3: part does separate. But we might still, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: might talk about it, and then I might not tell
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  Speaker 3: you my grade.
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  Speaker 2: I might, you know, kind of.
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  Speaker 3: That was more than that one part that was gamesmanship,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the part that is, you know, so at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, we share information, I say,
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  Speaker 3: and I will say it was pretty honest, like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm really worried about this kid's knee. He was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit loose already. That cartilage on his zimri looks
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  Speaker 3: pretty rough. All those are things we might talk about,
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  Speaker 3: but that the end of the day, the grade that
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  Speaker 3: we give you is not shared. That's the one part
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  Speaker 3: that was of kept secret, even though there was, like
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  Speaker 3: I said, a lot of sharing of info.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So, like I said, we listened to guy talked about
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  Speaker 3: the ankle, and I'm like, you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a little better than he thinks.
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  Speaker 2: And that part would be up on the teams. So like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Cowboys doctor sitting there and he's asking the opinion
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  Speaker 2: of like the Texans doctor and he's like, I guess sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that doctor sucks.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there probably is a little of that is awful.
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  Speaker 2: Where good? Where'd he go to school? Right? So three
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  Speaker 2: hundred nineteen prospects, we're invited to the twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: NFL Combine. That's a lot of poking and pride, and
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  Speaker 2: that's a lot of work for the doctor. Like, that's
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  Speaker 2: a big job for them. Has there ever been a
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  Speaker 2: doctor get injured at the combine? I'm sure there has.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there has. I was not aware of anybody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta imagine that much. That much, that much? Do
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: You get some of these guys that are a little
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  Speaker 3: banged up. Some of the guys a little more seasoned,
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  Speaker 3: maybe they uh that shoulder don't hold it up as well.
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  Speaker 2: Are you concerned with any of the uh, any big
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  Speaker 2: injuries for LSU.
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  Speaker 3: Guys headed towards I think everybody's gonna do pretty well.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think, you know, we come into it,
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  Speaker 3: there's a tour set that's going to be talk It
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  Speaker 3: was about a lot. You know, they're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: a lot about that. You know, we've had some guys
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  Speaker 3: that that going into this are gonna have questions, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think most of our guys are coming
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  Speaker 3: in are pretty healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Along with that tour, So, like Garrett has Garrett
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  Speaker 2: came out and lard Singapore and kind of said that
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  Speaker 2: there was something there, but he didn't really give any
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  Speaker 2: specifics was there is It just kind of like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: we don't really know what what this is and it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's an AB injury. Just can't use a strain
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  Speaker 2: muscle or something. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know it's something that you know, he
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  Speaker 3: battled with for a while and it's something that he
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  Speaker 3: really fought, fought hard with and I respected that part
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  Speaker 3: of it because he had to play through that and
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  Speaker 3: try and figure out ways to make it work. We
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  Speaker 3: had to try and find ways to make it work.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think with the specifics of the injury,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm not sure what I'm allowed to go into
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  Speaker 3: and what I'm not because some of it is public
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  Speaker 3: information now some of it isn't. Obviously, we know he
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  Speaker 3: had anab injury and and and it was something that again.
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  Speaker 2: He gritted it out. Give him a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 2: we did, we did all we.
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  Speaker 3: Could to help him, and you know, unfortunately some injuries just.
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  Speaker 2: So sure, it'll be talked a lot about this week.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there will be some scations thirty two team doctors.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big deal because if it's and I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it would be, but if he had an injury
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  Speaker 3: that would affect him the rest of his career, you
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  Speaker 3: want to know that. And whereas if it's something that
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  Speaker 3: was something we can work through, which I believe it is,
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  Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of teams are gonna say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is something he's gonna get better from.
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  Speaker 2: He's good now, he's going to be hopefully have a
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  Speaker 2: long career. Yeah, well, we wish all the l few players,
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  Speaker 2: of course, at the Best this week, I do want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about another pretty famous injury in another completely
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  Speaker 2: different sport. Lindsey Vaughan broker leg and I'm sure I
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  Speaker 2: think we've probably talked a little bit about it with
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  Speaker 2: you on the show. But recently she's had I think
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  Speaker 2: six or seven surgeries so far since she has famously
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  Speaker 2: broken her leg thirteen seconds into her first run during competition.
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  Speaker 2: You know, not the rumor, but it had been reported
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  Speaker 2: ACL injury the week before, obviously a terrible injury. I
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  Speaker 2: think I looked through the list. I couldn't find it
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  Speaker 2: this morning, but it was like broken tibia, torn, ac raptured, ACL,
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  Speaker 2: like it's like a list of seven or eight things
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  Speaker 2: on that line that happened. She has come out since then.
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  Speaker 2: I think she posted an Instagram post that said that
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  Speaker 2: the doctor we were close to having to amputate my
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  Speaker 2: leg because the injuries were so severe. The doctor that
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  Speaker 2: did the procedure basically saved my leg. And I had this,
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  Speaker 2: I saw it, read this an incredible quote this morning,
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  Speaker 2: quote from Wendsey Vaughn. He cut both sides of my
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  Speaker 2: leg kind of pilated open, so to speak, to let
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  Speaker 2: it breathe, and that was part of the surgery that
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  Speaker 2: kind of saved her leg from having to be ampty
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  Speaker 2: day Taylor. People out the picture of her x rays, Doc,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to kind of talk to you about
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  Speaker 2: the severity of this type of injury. Certainly this is
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  Speaker 2: her X ray after post surgery, about seventeen thousand screws, nuts, bolts, plates,
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  Speaker 2: the whole deal. Like, what happens in a situation like
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  Speaker 2: where it's such a severe traumatic event to a leg
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  Speaker 2: or a limb that has to nearly be amputated.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I think the first thing to talk
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  Speaker 3: about is is she developed a condition called compartment syndrome,
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  Speaker 3: and that was the first surgery they did. That was
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  Speaker 3: the one that you know, ultimately saved the legs. As
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  Speaker 3: she said, so, compartment syndrome is a situation that's pretty
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  Speaker 3: much always going to be associated with some kind of
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  Speaker 3: massive traumatic injury, a crush injury we often see so
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times, like construction accidents, you worry about that,
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  Speaker 3: motor vehicle accidents, But if you have an injury that
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  Speaker 3: has the amount of fractures she had, you know, clearly
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  Speaker 3: based on your pairriage, you can see a lot of
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  Speaker 3: different fracture lines.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: You're having to hold that thing in white would be
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: the fresh line. Yes, all that white is where you
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: can see that fractures kind of through there. And they
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: did a great job.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: You know, her alignment looks great, But what happens is
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: you get so much bleeding in that tissue that you
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: end up getting a lot of swelling in the tissue.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: And to recall compartment syndrome because in every muscular part
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: of the body you have these muscular compartments. In the
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: lower leg, you have four separate muscular compartments. And what
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: can happen in anyone, if not all of those, is
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: if you have so much rapid inflammation, you basically form
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: like a self tournique at that level wherever that inflammation is.
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: And so if you think about it, you're tourni getting
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: off or compressing off the blood flow to everything below that.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: So if I suddenly increase the pressure drastically in your
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: leg to where the blood flow doesn't go further, everything
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: below that, if given the opportunity, will die. So the
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: procedure that she talked about where it's like they filay
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: her leg is called a fasciotomy. They go in, you
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: cut down and you basically literally just relieve the pressure.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: You're you're letting that pressure out to allow blood flow to.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Leave the a cut open the leg skin and the muscles,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: and it just stays open for a period of time.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Sometimes Now sometimes you just have to evacuate if there's
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: like a hematoma in there, so a mass of blood
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: that sort of coagulated it, and so a lot of
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: times you can go and remove that. Sometimes you'll leave
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: some of these things open for a bit until the
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: pressure can get stabilized and then close it. We'll see
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: that sometimes, like with major abdominal wounds, where they literally
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: leave your abdomen open to you know, if you have
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of pressure in there. So it's not just
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: in the legs you'll see this, but the lower leg
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: is one of the more common areas where people develop that.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: And and again usually from a major trauma. You know,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: this would obviously classify, but multiple broken bones that were displaced.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Then you got to let that sort of normalize. Then
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: you got to go back in and work on fixing
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: this thing. And that's so they go in and and
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to repair you know, if there's any
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: vascular damage, you might look at that if there's any
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: damage the bones, you're gonna have to go back in
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: and sort of set those bones.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: You get the plates, the screws.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: You know, you don't want to do too much all
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: at once because it's all the swelling that can incur.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: So sometimes a step, step by step process.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: So what would the fasciotomy like? So what would the
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: first surgery be? So if she had six, I think like, yeah,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: the last I read it was six. It might be
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: more now, but what like what does that step process?
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: So definitely the first one's got to be the fasciaout
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of it that you're you're working against o'clock when you
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: know you only have a very limited timeframe as that
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: pressure goes up.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Come here, you think about it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Your tissue can only go so long without oxygen, and
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: you might get a little bit of blood flow in
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: these compartment sents, but it's such a limited amount.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: That's the number one priority.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Then once you kind of get the patients stable, then
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: we figure out, okay, is there is there other things
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: that need to be fixed? And obviously you're gonna you're
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: gonna stage these things with the worst case scenarios and
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: then work your way down. Let's let's focus on the
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: big injuries. Let's focus on the things that could cause
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: you to lose the limb. Was there a blood vessel?
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Is damage that we need to go and repair, and
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: so a lot of times you're gonna get a vascular
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: surgeon involved with that. A lot of times these aren't
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: just done by the orthopedists. You're gonna have sometimes multiple
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: and you know, different specialists that are going to be
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: in there, and then and then you work your way down,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you know, to each one that you can fix and
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: and all this. You know, you got to kind of
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: there's not necessarily a specific order. I think you got
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: to take it case by case, but you got to
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: look at what the most serious things are and then
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: you kind of work down that list. Taylor, can you
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: put another picture of her in her hospital? I was
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I was curious because I've just this type of injury.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I was curious as to what these this contraption is
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: right here as I'm assuming it's some sort of stabilization,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: you can see that her leg is like cut open
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: right there. Yes, so a lot of times they'll do
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: different versions of that, some type of you know, external fixator.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be something that sits outside the body. External
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: that's going to stabilize and hold your leg or your
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: arm or whatever it.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Is in place.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Most commonly we see these in leg injuries most common
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: the complex fractures, uh, and a lot of times these
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: are even attached to the person's bones and things like that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: You can see in the ends where it's actually it's
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: actually kind of pinned into like was is this attached
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to her? Or the bed like is that's attached to her?
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: And then and so that's part of a surgery too,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: and then you don't have to go and remove that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: So that's a procedure in and of itself, because this
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: thing is literally externally fixated. That's why I call it
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: an external fixation. So it's external to the body, but
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: it's fixed to the individual's bones and injuries and basically
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: just to hold everything in place so that it can
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: heal appropriately. You know, it's these are I mean, that's
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: a big big Have you ever had something this this personally? No,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not, but but thankfully you know, it's something we'll
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: see sometimes and it's it's you know, again, most of
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: the times you see these types of injuries, big traumas,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: car accidents, right, you know, construction injuries, Like I was
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: saying earlier, people had a big fall off of something.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: But you'll see them sometimes in sports obviously, but it's
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: fortunately not something we see a lot in sports.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Something like this that much Metalenia. Is she gonna ski?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I mean obviously a competition that at less, she's forty one,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: she had this injury, but like, is there gonna be
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: long term like limping? She ever gonna go skis again?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: You know, you you hope, you hope the best.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And we've definitely seen circumstances where people have come back
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: from really crazy injuries. But I will say it's a
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: reasonable possibility that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: This will be going to be a painful situation.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna cause a lot of pain. It's
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: gonna cause her issues probably the rest of her life. Now,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: could I see a scenario where she really battles back
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and as a rehab warrior and is able to at
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: least live a pretty normal life, maybe even ski maybe
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: not competitively obviously, Yeah, I could see that, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, but it's it's it's gonna be a big process.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it's a painful situation, and it was
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: inspiring to see her compete, certainly, and heartbreaking to see
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: her injury like that. But I think she's the type
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: of competitor that she's certainly going to uh go out
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: on her shield if she has to, which she did,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: so we wish her speedy or as fast as you
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: can recovery, hopefully over the least she's got the leg still, Yeah,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: sounds a good thing. Scary stuff right there, But Doc,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: we thank you for your time as always every week. Man,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: thank you. Thanks for the insight too. That was awesome,
• 19:11
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  Speaker 5: So I think we should called Shaye Dixon to get
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  Speaker 5: him on a fr answers the phone. Hailandra, just super happy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, he sh wow, afternoon.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't want to hailandro me whenever I called you
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  Speaker 4: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even want to throw shade right now. But
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: I think what did he say that the meeting went along?
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  Speaker 2: He was like, I was afraid to even like answer
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  Speaker 2: You do great work except that one day, except for
• 24:08
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  Speaker 4: And are we going to keep harping on it? Yes,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: it's what we do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, three years from now we're talking about Wait, yeah,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: we don't drop them. No, we're petty, and I'm fine
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: with that. Pet Hey, that was fascinating stuff from doc. Oh. Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I like that surgery, the fasciotomy. I guess, like looking back,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I guess I've heard of that before. But my god,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: there was another picture of her in the hospital bed
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: where it was like her leg was like split open,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: like twelve inches at least.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Wait, so it showed it that graphic.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, she had posted it or something.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: She posted a picture her leg. Well, don't pull it up.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw it on the socials and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I tried to I tried to find it this morning. Yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't find it. So I don't know if
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: they got edited or what.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: Dude, Guaranty he's gonna look at my search industry. This
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: wanting to be like yo.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, send her like dot com.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Random random, white guy dot com Lindsay von leg split open.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: We're gonna be like Taylor Lindsay von Legs split.
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  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: I'm going through some stuff.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, hey, hand in the air. What'd you say?
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: The other?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Chest op? Chestp chest up. I forgot to send Coach
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Mokey a little text will remind her. So we're gonna
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: at the break here, we're gonna we're gonna call her. Okay,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: get her on.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: For the best.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I hope for the best.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Text.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do need to give her a little check,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a little text.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Wit. She said you didn't have her number. I just
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: sent it to you and I had just sent it to.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: The text and sure. Yeah, So I will send her
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: text and we are.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Going to Did you send it just now?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: No? Because I'm talking right now.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well send it right now. I will fill the
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: dead air space while you send her a text, because
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: sending her a text right before we call her is
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: not the move.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Get ready, get ready to coach. You're about to call
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: you about forty.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: So do you need me to text Jay Johnson today
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: or do you do you need his number?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: And do you want to tell?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: What?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Do we could? Jake Clark is ready to go Friday.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: He knows Fridays are his thing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Now, Friday's Jake Clark, Friday, j Clarkark, he claimed it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Jay Johnson is supposed to come on tomorrow.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Do you want to text him or do you need
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: me to?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I'll text him.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well you're going to get him tomorrow.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: His number right now, you're gonna get.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: It's mostly not my job. The texting is usually Jake
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: does it. So you know Dad's not here this week.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I told you when Jake leaves it, his mom left
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: the kids home with dad.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Energy all right, we're going to see. If we don't,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: we will try to. It might not be next segment,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: but we will do our best here.
• 26:54
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• 26:59
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  Speaker 2: Taylor said he last went to Hoo Dental fifteen years ago.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Hidental though. It was a great experience.
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  Speaker 2: I test that. Guys. Yeah, saw me the late text.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I have not heard back. We're going to try to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: get coach kim Olki on the show at some point. Yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: we are going to wait here. We just didn't want
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: to call her out of the blue without a confirmation
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: text first, so we will uh try to get here
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: on the line. And that's all me. Guess you didn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: want a cold call you, Well, I just think I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: didn't want a cold call.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: You subconsciously did this because you're scared to interview her.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, you got to make up for.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: Your confusion class that you are scared.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: No intimidate.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a little intimidated. I gotta be honest.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Feels like it stems from a place of fear.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: No, I don't have fear mhm, just nerves. H fear Not.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: You just want to be you want to be great
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: for coaches, she's great.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Fear of not being great? It all stems from fear. Mm,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: fear of embarrassing yourself.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Just a little intimidated. Okay, because I have so much
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: respect for her.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: You respect her so much, you're scared of her.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: No, No, not scared. She's very nice.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: She is.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: So maybe maybe subconsciously, Yeah, I really did. I was
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: trying to forget to say her number last time. That's
• 29:46
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• 29:50
  Speaker 2: still learning. This is you know, we've we've done the
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  Speaker 2: play out with Trinidad Chambliss over at Old Miss trying
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to get his I've never seen a player not want
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to go to the NFL so bad than Trinidad Chambliss.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Of course, I think it was denied six times, is
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that right? Six times for you know, for obvious reasons. Finally,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: some some local court decided to grant him that extra year. Certainly,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it's something that NCAA has has fought and tried to
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: fought but has not been successful. We saw it last
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: year with Diego Pavia getting an extra year of eligibility. Well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: recently we saw NCAA finally got a win. I got
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: an old notch on the belt. Joey Aguilar with Tennessee
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: he was seeking the same type of extension as Diego Pavia. Now,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: which differs a little bit from from Trinidad Chandels's case,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't you know, it wasn't a JUCO situation. Well,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Joey Aguilars was, and it was very similar to that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of Diego Pavia. But the court's rule that he does
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: not they did not grant him an extra year of eligibility,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and the same thing is happening right now with or
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: a similar type situations happening with Virginia quarterback Chandler Morris,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: who was seeking a seventh year, seventh year as quarterback,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and he's twenty five years old. At some point, these
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: guys just, I know the money is there in college
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: football now. I know there's life changing money to be
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: made as well. And I think that there's a lot
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: of people, especially with the Joey Aguilar case at Tennessee,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: saying this is good, this is n c A A
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: good for you, you got one, But it also doesn't
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: make sense because the precedent has already been set. Why
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: is it. Why is the playing field and the rules
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: different from one person that is another Now, I don't know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if anybody really knows. Like the minute,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the minutia of all the details of the case of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you know what, Diego Pavia was arguing about his JUCO
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: experience compared to Joey Aguilar's, like, we don't know those
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: specific details, but when you look at it from an
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: overhead view, you look at it as a as a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: as a whole, they look really similar. So why is
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: it different from one person to another? And I think
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: we all want the NCAA to have more power. We
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: all we all want the the bumpers a little bit
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: more guard rails on college football. College football is a mess.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's still a beautiful game. It's a beautiful sport when
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the lights go on and the balls kicked off, But
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: in between those moments, it's an absolute disaster right now.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So we want those guardrails. But why is it different
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: between one case to the next. And I don't have
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that answer for you. It just adds on to most
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: people's opinion on that college football is absolutely drunk and
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: there's nobody knows what's going on. Nobody knows what the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: exact rules are. What do y'all think? What do y'all think?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: What's the difference do you do you know any specific
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: differences between Joey Aguilar's case and Diego Pavia. It's it's the.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: Same, which is why I always thought he was going
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: to get eligibility, Like I didn't think Trinidad Shambla's had
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: a leg to stand on. He played at Farri State
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: for three years, that's under the NCAAA umbrella. Plays at
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: Old miss that's four years. Boom, move on. Like they
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: ruled last year, junior college is not under the NCAA umbrella,
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: you can get an extra year. Diego Pavia did so
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden. Joey Aguilar, who played two years
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: at Apple Atta in State, played one year at Tennessee.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: That's three years under the NCAA umbrella. Before that, he
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: played at Diablo Valley Community College, which is in Juco,
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: but his Juco counts in Diego. Pobvius doesn't. Why now,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: I'll give the Joey Aguilar, Diablo Valley, Diablo Valley.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: The Devil's Valley.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: It is, it is, and maybe maybe that's what the
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: issue was. But I'll give him credit. He actually signed
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: up for the combine. What he was planning on doing
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: was participated in the combine for a forty eight hour window.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: That way, if he would have became eligible, he still
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: could have went back. He'll probably participated in full five days.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Now say that again, he could you could go to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the combine for forty eight hours, eight.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Hour window while waiting for his appeal. Because anything beyond that,
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: if he would have stayed in the NFL combine, beyond that,
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: he would have been ineligible.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: He would have been like declared a professional. Correct forty
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you can go forty eight hours at the Combine without
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: being a professional.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: Apparently so, but now he's probably going to participate that
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: so credit to him for not being scared to go
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: to the NFL. He actually signed up for the combine.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: But I mean, you let Diego Pavia get an extra
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: year of eligibility and basically the exact same circumstances, you
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: let Trinidad Shambliss hang around just because what you feel
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: bad for Ole Miss because they lost Lane Kiffin and
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: they needed a win. Like, I don't really understand how
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: you give both of those guys elgibent. I'm good with
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: the NCAA getting a win. I think the NCAA should
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: get a lot more wins, But the fact that you
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: give it to two guys and not the other one,
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: it's just kind of confuse it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Like I was gonna say, I don't know what the
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: difference I'm trying to like read up on it with
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Pavia and Aguilar is. The difference of Trinidad Chambliss is
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: that he found a judge that was an All Miss fan.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: That's what the difference of Trinidad. Chambliss was and he
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: wasn't a Juco guy.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: No, right, he wasn't, which like makes it worse.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: To stand.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: But as for Pavia and Aguilar, I'm not really.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: They do have like the basically the same argument, so
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I guess they were. Really he just depends on that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: That's who you get as a judge.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: See, that's what I would, Yeah, because like if something happens,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: like in a federal quarter or state court, and there's
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a ruling based on something, there's precedent set and that's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: how it goes until if something crazy happens and a
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: case is proven that resets that. President and la. Look,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you're an attorney out there. What I might come off
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: as an idiot here, but they were. I'm assuming that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they were both courts in the state of Tennessee. Now
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: maybe Pavia's court case was somewhere else, but I'm pretty
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: sure is Tennessee right now.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure there was because he filed his first
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: year after he played a vantitae. Because here's a Vandy
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: two years remember, So like, yeah, everyone said, oh, well,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: this could be a state by state basis. This doesn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: necessary you have to be a national thing. In the
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: same damn state.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Well that and that, well that at that point is
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: it a county by county?
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Basically I'm thinking too because like the obviously Joey Aguilars
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: in Knoxville and then Nashville for Diego Pavia.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: So I'm I mean, I don't know, it must be it's.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Stupid, right, Like I don't like the I don't want
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: to use that word. I tell my kids not to
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: use that word. But like it's really dumb.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: It's stupid.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: There is just makes me more mad about college football
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Even when you think there's precedence and rules, they're still
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: just going to change it anytime they feel like, oh,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: it's kind of fun for us to do that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Let's know that. Yeah, that judge was a not a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: volunteer fan.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Well, and credit to Tennessee, like they got Georgia mcintter
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: who's been developing there. They brought in Ryan Stabb, who
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: did visit LSU. I guess you just went to Tennessee
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: because he thought there was a better chance of him
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: to be a starter. So they had a little bit
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: of contingency plans preparing for this. It's so did agular,
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: but it's just find me the rhym of reason, bond
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: the whole thing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yep. About Chandler Morris.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Seventh year or just put the fries in the bag.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: And you know, Matt, I hate to pick on your
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: former position, but like, can these quarterbacks move the hell
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: the one? It's all a quarterback.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: It's all about the quarterback.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: I mean, but like, move on.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Life's about quarterbacks. Bud twenty five, seventh year. I'm assuming
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: there's a COVID year there still.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: And then twenty twenty two he apparently filed for a
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: medical and didn't get it back when he was a TCU.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: I talked about a little bit last week. There's a
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: guy who plays a linebacker from Montana. He got a
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: ninth year of eligibility because he had like four season
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: or four or five season Indian injury. So this is
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: his ninth year. He'll be tenured at the University of Montana.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Before he leaves, he's teaching classes there.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Huh. The only one that I can potentially give an
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: excuse to is Trinidad Chambliss, because I think I brought
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: this up before a couple of weeks ago. I know
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: that the emotional reaction, the knee jerk reaction of ole
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Miss fans and boosters, certainly the people that are given money,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that are guaranteeing all this money. The emotion reaction to
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin leaving would be like whatever it takes, like
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you have my full support, you have my full checkbook.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I'll do whatever I can to keep it. And then,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: especially when they're talking about your star quarterback leaving to
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: join Lane, they're like, whatever it takes, whatever amount of
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: money it is, there's not enough commas that are gonna
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: let him go to LSU. Like I could see that
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: plan out and them saying, look, Trinidad, we are going
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: if you don't go to LSU, we're gonna give you
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: ten million plus. I could see that happening. Like it
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: sounds like a far fetched number, but I can see
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: in the emotional windfall after Lane Kiffin leaves and the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: rumor the rumors were everywhere Trinidad's going to LSU, he's
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: gonna be talking to if he gets his extra year,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I can see them saying Nope, We're
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: gonna do whatever it takes. And the rumors of Miami
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: trying to offer Tye Simpson seven million to stay in
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: college and go to Miami, and he turned it down.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: But like that number is starting to tick up, at
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: least from the rumors. I don't think any of that
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: was ever confirmed, but I could certainly see a situation
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: where a ten million plus number, and so at that
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: point I can say, Okay, yeah, Trinidad, go fight your
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: court battles, go six, get the night six times, to
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: keep trying, because that's a big number. Especially the kid
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: that age confidence certainly thinks he can improve or at
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: least perform at the same level that he did towards
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the end of the season and slid ify himself as
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: a first round pick next year. So that is an
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: understandable city. I think we can all agree that I'm
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: fighting so especially not paying for these court battles. I'll
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: fight them if I'm gonna get ten million plus. Of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: course that's not a it hadn't been reported. I'm just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: saying I could see a world in which that number
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: was floated around. In the emotional backlash from Lane Kiff,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, just.
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: Go to the league. Though, like you were like, oh,
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: he could be a first round pick next year. He
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: could have been a first round pick this year. It
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: could as if they suck. They have a brand new
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: coaching staff. We don't know, but it might be guaranteed
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: ten million plus. That's i'd like to see. I'd love
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: to be a fly on the wall in those conversations.
• 41:58
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 6: I knew you could do it.
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  Speaker 2: I know we did it. Guess we did?
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  Speaker 7: Or maybe she did not click the maybe she said yes.
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  Speaker 7: It's official official, It's official official. Hey, who's the Who's
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  Speaker 7: after last night? Who's the Who's your way? Too early?
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  Speaker 7: After how many games? Eight games baseball LSU baseball? Seven games?
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  Speaker 6: I mean he's the best player so far, my best
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  Speaker 6: I mean Dardur has succeeded everybody's expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Orys had a lot of homers.
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  Speaker 6: Jack Brown been great well.
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  Speaker 5: Not only that about York being good at the plate,
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  Speaker 4: At first base, like very solid.
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  Speaker 2: Fo Dingers.
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  Speaker 6: All the Cooper more just because starting pitchon has been
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  Speaker 4: That's a good question. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna close that out number two when
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