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- 0:00Welcome back to another deep dive with reformed thinking.
- 0:02It's great to be here. Good to have you with us.
- 0:04We've got a stack of notes, articles, research, and we're
- 0:08going to dive into it. That's.
- 0:09The plan? And today's topic is well, it's
- 0:14deeply real, very personal for pretty much everyone.
- 0:17We're talking about forgiveness. And we've got source material
- 0:21from a listener, actually, which is great.
- 0:23Excellent. Yeah.
- 0:24And it really centers on understanding forgiveness, but
- 0:27specifically through the lens of the gospel.
- 0:29OK. So our goal today really is to
- 0:32unpack the core ideas from this material, give you a clear
- 0:37framework, hopefully a better handle on what biblical
- 0:40forgiveness actually looks like. It feels like such a a live
- 0:44topic, doesn't it? It really does.
- 0:45I mean you don't have to think very hard to recall times you've
- 0:48suffered because of someone elses sin against you.
- 0:50No, it connects almost immediately.
- 0:52Hits home the fact that we even need forgiveness means someone
- 0:55got wronged, someone sinned. And someone else is hurting
- 0:58because of it. And the material we're looking
- 1:00at, it makes it clear right from the start this isn't about
- 1:03treating forgiveness like some, you know, simple moral rule.
- 1:06You just try harder. At right like just let it go.
- 1:09Or yeah, just letting go. It's presented as something
- 1:12really fundamental, tied directly to the gospel and
- 1:15specifically applying the gospel to your own suffering.
- 1:19That's where these sources say you have to begin.
- 1:21All right, let's start there then, because the material puts
- 1:24a lot of weight on this idea that before you even jump into
- 1:28the how to of forgiving others, you need to spend real time
- 1:34thinking about what Christ did on the cross for you.
- 1:36Yes, that understanding, that focus, it's positioned as the
- 1:40absolute first step. It's essential.
- 1:42OK, the documents keep pointing to this idea of gazing at the
- 1:45cross. Gazing at the cross.
- 1:46Yeah, focusing on Christ's work, what he did for you, that's the
- 1:50foundation you need. So it's not about willpower,
- 1:52just trying harder. No, not at all.
- 1:55The idea is you're meant to be moved, you know, at a heart
- 1:57level, OK to forgive because of what you see Christ doing for
- 2:00you there. And that leads right into this
- 2:03core theme that runs through all the material, doesn't it?
- 2:05It does that forgiveness involves applying the gospel to
- 2:09your suffering. Right, because when we get hurt,
- 2:12our default is usually to just zero in on the wrong itself.
- 2:15Oh. Totally.
- 2:16The unfairness, the pain they cause.
- 2:17Exactly. We fixate on that.
- 2:19But this gospel centered view, it redirects that focus.
- 2:25The first it points you to what Christ has done, and then you
- 2:29take that truth and apply it to the pain, the stuff when you're
- 2:32actually feeling right now. OK, that makes sense, shifting
- 2:35the initial focus. And something that's quite
- 2:38striking in the material is how it talks about forgiveness being
- 2:41costly. Costly.
- 2:42How do they mean? Well, it doesn't come cheap.
- 2:44The idea is when you choose to forgive someone, you actually
- 2:48absorb the liability, the debt that the other person deserve to
- 2:51pay because of their sin against you.
- 2:53Wow. OK.
- 2:54So you're releasing them from that debt?
- 2:56Yes, you release them from the debt of punishment they
- 2:58incurred. And this is presented as
- 3:01directly mirroring what Christ did on Calvary Ah.
- 3:04OK. He absorbed the debt we owed.
- 3:06God, precisely our debt for our sins.
- 3:09And the material is really clear here.
- 3:12The debt doesn't just vanish. Poof, gone.
- 3:15Right. It doesn't cost you nothing.
- 3:16No, it costs you absorb that cost yourself when you forgive.
- 3:20So it's like a transfer then? Almost, in a sense.
- 3:22They had this debt, maybe justice, consequences,
- 3:24relational, yeah, whatever. And in forgiving you take that
- 3:28on, you carry it. That's the idea presented, and
- 3:31the sources use a very moving illustration of this, the story
- 3:34of John Perkins. He's a well known civil rights
- 3:37activist. Yes, I've heard of him.
- 3:38His life is used as this really powerful concrete example of
- 3:42living about this kind of gospel rooted forgiveness.
- 3:45Tell us about him. Well, he grew up in a small
- 3:48Mississippi town, had a tough start.
- 3:51His mother died young, his father left soon after.
- 3:54Wow. He ended up being raised by his
- 3:55grandmother in a house that was already full of kids.
- 3:58A lot of hardship early on. And then something major
- 4:00happened. Yes, a really pivotal, traumatic
- 4:03event in the late 1940s. His oldest brother, Clyde, who
- 4:08was kind of like a second father to him, you know, after his own
- 4:10dad left. Yeah, Clyde got into an
- 4:13altercation with a white town Marshall and the Marshall shot
- 4:17him twice. Clyde died on the way to the
- 4:20hospital. And and John was there.
- 4:22He was right there in the car with him when it happened.
- 4:24Can you imagine? That's unbelievable trauma.
- 4:26Absolutely. And that event, it changed
- 4:29everything. His uncles knew immediately John
- 4:32was in danger. Danger how?
- 4:34The desire for revenge. They knew it could consume him,
- 4:38so they sent him away. Away from Mississippi.
- 4:40Yeah, to stop him from trying a retribution for Clyde's murder.
- 4:44He ended up making his way out to California.
- 4:45OK. And his life changed there.
- 4:48Completely different turn. He surrendered his life to
- 4:50Christ out in California and then later on he felt this
- 4:54distinct call from God a real prompting to do what?
- 4:58To go back back to Mississippi. Wow, back to where all that
- 5:02happened. Exactly.
- 5:03And it wasn't just for social justice, although that became
- 5:05part of his work. The sources highlight that his
- 5:08main drive was to preach the gospel to bring peace.
- 5:13What kind of peace? He specifically described it as
- 5:16the peace that surpasses all the hate found only in a
- 5:19relationship with Jesus Christ. That's powerful.
- 5:21So not just societal peace, but something deeper.
- 5:25Right rooted in Christ. So he went back.
- 5:27To Mississippi, knowing the history.
- 5:30Knowing the history back to the place he'd been sent away from
- 5:33after his brother's murder, and when he returned, well, he faced
- 5:36intense persecution. I can imagine what happened.
- 5:39He was wrongfully arrested, thrown in prison and just
- 5:42brutally beaten along with some other preachers and civil rights
- 5:45workers. How bad were the beating?
- 5:47The sources say he was beaten to a bloody pulp within inches of
- 5:51his life. Just horrific.
- 5:52Unbelievable. And what's even more chilling,
- 5:55the guards were apparently afraid the FBI might
- 5:58investigate, so they made him, while he had this awful open
- 6:01head wound, clean up his own blood from the floor to hide
- 6:04what they done. That's just evil.
- 6:06It's hard to fathom, and the accounts add another specific
- 6:10terrible detail. What was that?
- 6:12One of the guards jammed a fork first up his nose, then down his
- 6:16throat. Caused lasting damage.
- 6:18My goodness, adds torture. It really is.
- 6:21So he ends up in the hospital physically fighting for his
- 6:24life. But the sources say the internal
- 6:27battle, the spiritual 1, was just as fierce.
- 6:30He was just consumed by hatred, intense hatred in his heart for
- 6:35the white men in Mississippi who had done this to him.
- 6:37Understandably so. Absolutely.
- 6:39But this is where his story really shows that framework.
- 6:42We talked about applying the gospel to suffering.
- 6:44OK, what happened in the hospital?
- 6:47As he was lying there near death, wrestling with all that
- 6:50hate, he said the Spirit of God started working on him.
- 6:54An image of Christ on the cross just came into his mind, kind of
- 6:57blotting everything else out. Wow.
- 6:59And he started meditating on Christ's suffering.
- 7:01Seen Parallels. Exactly.
- 7:02The arrest, the false accusations, the unfair trial,
- 7:05the beating, the crucifixion. It mirrored his own experience
- 7:09in many ways. But then his focus shifted to
- 7:12Christ's response in the middle of all that suffering.
- 7:14What? Specific.
- 7:16Jesus's words from the cross. Father, forgive these people,
- 7:21for they do not know what they are doing.
- 7:24OK, the forgiveness aspect. Yes, he fixed his mind on that
- 7:28truth. Jesus's enemies hated him,
- 7:31abused him, killed him. But Jesus chose to forgive them,
- 7:35right? And as he meditated on that, the
- 7:37Spirit kept working in him, He said, Until I could say with
- 7:41Jesus, I forgive them too you. Forgave them after.
- 7:44All that yeah, it's his testimony and the result, he
- 7:47said. God washed my hatred away and
- 7:49replaced it with a love for the white man in rural Mississippi.
- 7:52That's incredible, a complete change of heart.
- 7:54A radical change. And he also mentioned feeling
- 7:56this renewed strength, physically and emotionally.
- 7:59Yeah, he said he felt strong again, stronger than ever, and
- 8:02even added what doesn't destroy me will make me stronger.
- 8:05What a testimony. It really is.
- 8:07His story is just such a vivid real life picture of applying
- 8:11the gospel to suffering as the way to forgiveness.
- 8:14It shows it's not just a concept.
- 8:15Right. Exactly.
- 8:16It shows the gospel can genuinely move someone from
- 8:18totally justified hatred to gospel empowered love and
- 8:22strength even after enduring the most awful wrongs.
- 8:26It wasn't just activism for him, it was fundamentally about that
- 8:29peace found only in Christ. Amazing story.
- 8:32And this story serves as a great bridge into the next big section
- 8:36of the source material, which draws heavily from a pastor and
- 8:39author named Milton Vincent. He wrote Gospel Primer.
- 8:43Yes, part of it. The sources outline 7 specific
- 8:47biblical truths, 7 concepts that you're meant to actively
- 8:51meditate on. Or, as Vincent puts it, you
- 8:54preach to yourself. Preach to yourself, I like that.
- 8:56Yeah, it's presented as the crucial internal work, you know,
- 9:00rooted in gospel truth that builds the foundation you need
- 9:03to actually forgive outwardly. Right.
- 9:06It's that internal process of letting truth change your mind
- 9:08so your heart and actions can follow.
- 9:10That's it exactly. So the first concept you're
- 9:13called to preach to yourself is this.
- 9:14Remember that Christ has suffered as I am suffering right
- 9:17now and infinitely more so, which means I am never alone in
- 9:21any pain I feel. And this.
- 9:23Comes from passages like Isaiah 53 and Hebrews 4, correct?
- 9:26Isaiah 53.3 to 4 says Jesus bore our griefs and carried our
- 9:31sorrows. He didn't just bear our sins, He
- 9:34bore our sadness, our pain. He was a man of sorrows,
- 9:38acquainted with grief, familiar with.
- 9:40Deep pain and the source. Of stress.
- 9:41This wasn't some vague abstract suffering for him, no, no, he
- 9:45experienced personal painfully. Think about Mark 15.23.
- 9:50They offer him wine mixed with myrrh on the cross, which was a.
- 9:53Painkiller, yeah. A common one back then, but he
- 9:55refused it. The sources suggest he refused
- 9:58it because he wanted to feel everything, to experience the
- 10:00Father's wrath against sin and all the effects of suffering to
- 10:04the absolute fullest extent. Nothing numbed.
- 10:07Wow. OK, So what does that mean for
- 10:08for you when you're the one hurting?
- 10:10It means. Because he went through it
- 10:12fully, he knows exactly what you're going through, not just.
- 10:15In theory, no. Personally, like Hebrews 4.15
- 10:18says, we have a high priest you can sympathize with our
- 10:20weaknesses. He suffered with us, tempted in
- 10:22every way we are, yet He didn't sin so our.
- 10:25Pain. It resonates with him.
- 10:27He gets it. He.
- 10:28Absolutely gets it. The speaker in the notes uses
- 10:31this analogy from his own life. OK, he talks about having severe
- 10:35sciatica after a motorcycle accident.
- 10:37Before that he could, you know, feel sorry for people with back
- 10:40pain he saw at church. Sure.
- 10:42Offer sympathy, right? He could say the right words,
- 10:45but after he experienced that debilitating, burning sciatic
- 10:49pain himself for a year, his understanding completely
- 10:52changed. He knew what it felt like.
- 10:55He could genuinely sympathize, truly empathize.
- 10:58I see it's different when you've been there totally.
- 11:01Different. And Christ has been there in our
- 11:03suffering perfectly. So when you gaze at the cross,
- 11:06yeah, you're not just seeing Jesus dying for sin, you're
- 11:09seeing him grieving, bearing your specific griefs, carrying
- 11:13your specific sorrows. It makes it personal, reminds
- 11:16you you're not alone in it. That's a.
- 11:18Powerful perspective shift. OK, what's the second concept?
- 11:21The second. One to preach to yourself is
- 11:23Remember that sometimes God purposes that those whom He
- 11:27loves deeply be painfully sinned against, OK?
- 11:30That one sounds tricky, counterintuitive maybe.
- 11:33Yeah, it. Can feel that way, but the
- 11:35source is written scripture like Acts 2.23 and Acts 4.2728.
- 11:41How so? Think.
- 11:42About Jesus himself, God's beloved Son.
- 11:45Yet Peter in Acts 2 says Jesus was delivered up according to
- 11:49the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, so it.
- 11:51Wasn't an accident. It wasn't God reacting, no.
- 11:54The material makes the point strongly.
- 11:57It wasn't God just making the best of a bad situation after
- 12:00humans messed up. It was planned.
- 12:01It was on his calendar so to speak, that his beloved son
- 12:05would suffer like this. OK.
- 12:07How does knowing that help when I'm suffering because someone
- 12:10sinned against me well. It guards against a couple of
- 12:12wrong ideas we often fall into. Like what?
- 12:15The idea that if God really loved you, he wouldn't let you
- 12:19suffer like this, right? Or the flip side, exactly.
- 12:22The idea that if you're suffering and the person who
- 12:24wronged you seems fine, then God must not love you as much as he
- 12:27loves them. Yeah, those.
- 12:28Thoughts can creep in, but the. Cross just blows those ideas up,
- 12:31doesn't it? God deeply loved Jesus, his
- 12:34perfect Son, and yet Jesus suffered horribly, precisely
- 12:38according to God's plan and purpose.
- 12:40So. Suffering isn't necessarily a
- 12:42sign of God's displeasure or lack of love.
- 12:44Not at all. At all the sources mention other
- 12:46examples too. Joseph.
- 12:48Loved by God, sold into slavery by his brothers, suffered
- 12:52unjustly. Daniel.
- 12:53In the lion's den, Stephen. The first martyr Peter
- 12:57imprisoned, eventually martyred, all loved by God, all suffered
- 13:00greatly because of others sin so.
- 13:02Looking at the cross, even when I'm suffering, how does that
- 13:06change things? The source.
- 13:07Puts it beautifully. The black backdrop of your
- 13:11suffering leads to the beautiful shining diamond of your
- 13:14salvation purchased for you at the cross.
- 13:17When you look at the cross, you see God directing things for a
- 13:20glorious purpose, not just people acting out of hate.
- 13:23It helps you see your suffering not as random or as God
- 13:26abandoning you, but possibly as part of his loving plan that
- 13:30leads to something good like. Salvation or drawing closer to
- 13:33him Exactly. OK, the third concept to preach
- 13:36to yourself. Let's hear it.
- 13:37Remember. That God the Father can be
- 13:38trusted completely when you're on the receiving end of
- 13:41wrongdoing, okay. Trusting God with the injustice,
- 13:44yes. And Jesus is the ultimate
- 13:47example here. Look at first Peter 2, Luke 23.
- 13:50What do they show? Despite suffering unjustly,
- 13:52bearing unimaginable pain, Jesus continued entrusting himself to
- 13:57him who judges justly. He kept.
- 13:59Trusting the Father even as things got worse constantly.
- 14:02Were as betrayal by Judas, agony in the garden, sham trials,
- 14:06mocking, scourging, crucifixion, and finally being forsaken by
- 14:10God as He bore our sin. Yet through every single step
- 14:14down into that suffering, Jesus kept entrusting Himself and His
- 14:16cause to the Father and His. Last words his very.
- 14:19Last Words on the Cross Luke 23.46 Father, into your hands I
- 14:24commit my spirit, the ultimate. Act of trust, even then, even in
- 14:27that. Darkest most forsaken moment.
- 14:30So the question is, was the Father worthy of that trust?
- 14:32I'm the. Answer Jesus.
- 14:33'S entire experience shouts yes, he went through it all died, and
- 14:37now he's glorified at the father's right hand.
- 14:39He's basically saying to us, I trusted him all the way, even to
- 14:43death. You can trust him too, so that.
- 14:45Empowers me to trust God when I've been wronged.
- 14:48Absolutely. You can entrust the situation,
- 14:51the injustice, the pain fully to God, knowing He judges justly
- 14:56and knowing. That vengeance belongs to him,
- 14:58like Romans 12 says vengeance. Is mine, I will repay, says the
- 15:02Lord. Exactly.
- 15:03It lifts that heavy burden off your shoulders.
- 15:06You don't have to seek personal revenge.
- 15:08You can leave it with God. OK, that's.
- 15:10Freeing. Now, you mentioned one point
- 15:11that might be uncomfortable, yes.
- 15:14This is the fourth concept. It's critical, according to the
- 15:18sources, but yeah, it can be hard to swallow.
- 15:19What is it? Remember that I have committed
- 15:22greater sins against God than any person has ever committed
- 15:25against me. OK, that one, that one, his
- 15:28heart. Especially when you're feeling
- 15:30the pain someone else caused it. Really.
- 15:31Does, but the sources present this as absolutely crucial for
- 15:35understanding forgiveness. I think Matthew 7, Isaiah 53,
- 15:39the log in. Your own eye, exactly.
- 15:41Jesus, picture your sins against a perfectly holy God are
- 15:44presented as this massive, undeniable log compared to.
- 15:48The spec in the other persons eye, right?
- 15:51Even if that speck caused you real pain.
- 15:53We're often really good at listing how others have sinned
- 15:55against us, but we desperately need to see the size of our own
- 15:58log first. Our own sin before God and
- 16:01thinking. About substitutionary atonement
- 16:04makes this even clearer. It does.
- 16:05It means realizing that I'm the one who deserved the wrath, the
- 16:09death that Christ took on the cross.
- 16:11My sin put him there like. Peter told the crowds in Acts 2
- 16:16their sins crucified Jesus exactly.
- 16:18And the sources go D here talking about sin's essence
- 16:22being like the murder of Emmanuel, God with us.
- 16:24Wow. They quote Spurgeon saying sin
- 16:26is basically wanting God gone, wishing he didn't exist,
- 16:30rejecting him. So the.
- 16:31Cross shows not just Jesus dying, but our own.
- 16:34Our own deep seated rebellion against God.
- 16:36Yes. Our own self killing through
- 16:38sin, our hostility. So why is this hard truth so
- 16:42vital for forgiveness? Why the material states it
- 16:45bluntly. It's impossible to genuinely
- 16:47forgive someone from the heart if you think you're morally
- 16:49superior to them. Oh so.
- 16:50Minimum minimizing my sin. Minimizes what Jesus died for,
- 16:54and it keeps you on a pedestal, looking down, seeing your own
- 16:57log, your own desperate need for grace.
- 17:00Fosters humility. It levels the playing field.
- 17:03OK. I see the connection now.
- 17:05It removes that sense of superior which.
- 17:07Leads perfectly into the 5th concept.
- 17:10This is the glorious flip side after.
- 17:12Seeing my sin remember. And rejoice that Christ has
- 17:15purchased my forgiveness and justification at the cross.
- 17:19This is. The good news meeting, the bad
- 17:21news. Ephesians 1.
- 17:22Romans 5 exactly. At the cross, Christ did
- 17:25everything necessary to secure your total forgiveness and make
- 17:28you right with God. Justification and.
- 17:30Justification is like a legal declaration, yes.
- 17:33That's how the sources a legal declaration by God about your
- 17:36standing. It has two parts.
- 17:38The negative part, your sins are gone, taken away, forgiven,
- 17:42covered by his blood. And the positive Christ's
- 17:44perfect righteousness is put onto your account, credited to
- 17:47you, imputed so. God sees me not just as not
- 17:51guilty, but as. Positively righteous because of
- 17:54Christ's righteousness, now counted as yours, if you're in
- 17:57Christ by faith, so God. 'S whole disposition towards me
- 18:00changes completely. From hostility because of sin to
- 18:03the loving acceptance of a Father, all because of Christ's
- 18:07work and knowing. That really grasping that what
- 18:10does that do the? Sources say it melts our heart
- 18:14to a place of delighted obedience.
- 18:16Melts. Our heart.
- 18:17Yeah, it. Changes forgiveness.
- 18:19It's no longer this cold, hard thing you have to do.
- 18:22It becomes something you actually want to do.
- 18:24Something you see you need to do and you ask God to help you do
- 18:28it because. You've received so much
- 18:30forgiveness yourself. Precisely.
- 18:32They used the story of Cindy here OK her husband Jeremy
- 18:36committed adultery caused terrible pain.
- 18:39She found the strengths to forgive him not by downplaying
- 18:42his sin, but by first grappling with her own sinfulness before
- 18:45God seeing. Her own need for grace, yes.
- 18:48She realized how vast God's forgiveness towards her was
- 18:51through Christ, and she saw that in light of the gospel should
- 18:54Jeremy were actually more like than different.
- 18:57Both desperately needed Christ's sacrifice, so her.
- 19:01Forgiveness flowed from that shared need, not from a place of
- 19:04being better than him. Exactly.
- 19:06It came from her understanding of justification.
- 19:09OK #6 Concept 6. Remember that I am purchased and
- 19:13owned by God and therefore I now live to serve His purposes, not
- 19:17my own. OK.
- 19:19Bought by Christ's blood, First Corinthians 6, Romans 12, right?
- 19:22You're not your own, you belong to God.
- 19:24And the sources make this interesting point that ownership
- 19:29includes debts owed to me. Debts.
- 19:32Owed to me how does that work well when someone.
- 19:34Wrongs you. It's essentially your boss, God,
- 19:37who gets to say how you respond. You're his property, so to
- 19:41speak. And God explicitly says
- 19:42vengeance is mine. I will repay, so I don't.
- 19:45Have the right to take vengeance myself because I belong to him
- 19:48and he claims that right that's the.
- 19:50Idea It's incredibly fraying, actually.
- 19:52You don't have to carry that burden of seeking revenge or
- 19:55making things even God says. Leave it to me, I'll handle.
- 19:57It the speaker uses a quick anecdote here.
- 20:00I got a previous job where his boss just absorbed a big
- 20:03financial loss. Someone else caused the feeling
- 20:06of relief, you know, being off the hook because the boss took
- 20:09responsibility. Ah, OK, a small picture of that
- 20:12relief, right? When God takes the burden of
- 20:15vengeance for you and this frees you up to live for His glory
- 20:19right first. Corinthians 6 says glorify God
- 20:21in your body in Romans. 12 Present yourself as a living
- 20:24sacrifice your whole life, including how you respond when
- 20:28wronged. Is now about his will, his
- 20:31purposes, OK. That makes sense.
- 20:33One more concept, yes. Number 7 and it brings us back
- 20:37to the costliness we started with.
- 20:39All right, Remember that fellowship with Christ in his
- 20:41suffering brings resurrection life and power, OK?
- 20:44Unpack that fellowship and suffering forgiveness.
- 20:47Is costly, right? We said.
- 20:49You absorb the debt, the liability the other person
- 20:51deserves mirroring. Christ absorbing our debt
- 20:53exactly. But this costly act, this
- 20:57choosing to suffer the loss, this dying to yourself, giving
- 21:01up your right to anger, revenge, payment, it's not a dead end.
- 21:06It's presented as a pathway to new life.
- 21:08Like. Jesus said a grain of wheat has
- 21:10to Saul and die to bear much fruit.
- 21:12John 12 when you. Lose your life for God's sake by
- 21:16forgiving, even when it feels like death, the sources say.
- 21:20Fruit arises from places that you've never experienced before.
- 21:24So dying to self and forgiveness actually leads to life.
- 21:27That's the. Promise, Milton Vincent is
- 21:29quoted saying the more you conform to Christ's death by
- 21:32dying to self and forgiving, the more you experience freedom from
- 21:36sin and taste the very life and the very resurrection power of
- 21:40Jesus himself. Wow.
- 21:42So it connects you more deeply to Christ's resurrection, Yes.
- 21:45And the material assures you God won't leave you just wallowing
- 21:49in that debt you absorbed. He won't leave you miserable and
- 21:52fruitless. No, He promises to raise you to
- 21:55abundant life, suffering for righteousness, dying to self
- 21:58through forgiveness. It becomes an entry point into
- 22:01union with Christ and life at its fullest.
- 22:03That's a. Powerful hope, let's.
- 22:05Look back at Cindy's story again.
- 22:06Forgiving. Her husband's adultery.
- 22:08Incredibly costly for her, absorbing immense pain.
- 22:12But that act of dying to self, it led to increased compassion
- 22:15in her. It led to real relational
- 22:17renewal, like holding. Hands again, yeah.
- 22:20Which might seem small to an outsider, but knowing the
- 22:23history you see that's real fruit life coming from that
- 22:27costly act of forgiveness that dying.
- 22:30So these. 7 concepts. Yeah, they form the internal
- 22:33gospel groundwork for forgiveness, that's how.
- 22:36The material presents it the preaching to yourself that has
- 22:38to happen, but the. Sources also mentioned some
- 22:40cautions right about the phrase getting to the place of
- 22:43forgiveness. Yes.
- 22:44Exactly because that phrase, while common, can be misused or
- 22:48misunderstood if you disconnect it from these gospel truths.
- 22:52OK. So what are the cautions?
- 22:54What is in this process about first?
- 22:56Caution thinking you need to get to the place is not permission
- 22:59to delay forgiving someone until you feel you know good and
- 23:03ready. It's not an excuse to put it
- 23:05off, no. It shouldn't be used to postpone
- 23:07forgiveness until you feel like it or feel you've processed
- 23:10enough. The sources point to Mark 11.25.
- 23:13Whenever you stand praying, forgive.
- 23:16It's presented as a command for immediacy, so doing.
- 23:19That gospel thinking, preaching those truths to yourself, that's
- 23:22not a waiting game, no. That is the first step of
- 23:24forgiveness. It's the first fruits.
- 23:27It's actively doing the work that enables the choice.
- 23:30It's not a reason to wait, and definitely not a way to, you
- 23:33know, hold unforgiveness over someone's head, right?
- 23:36OK. Second caution getting.
- 23:38To the place is not dictated by your feelings or emotions.
- 23:42This seems huge. Our feelings can be so strong
- 23:45when we're hurt. They really.
- 23:46Can, but the source uses that analogy.
- 23:50Emotions are the caboose. They are not the engine, the
- 23:52caboose. Not the engine forgiveness.
- 23:54Isn't primarily about how you feel right now you're called to
- 23:58act based on what your renewed mind knows is true from
- 24:01scripture these gospel truths we've talked about, even if
- 24:04your. Feelings are screaming the
- 24:05opposite even then. Actually acting in obedience
- 24:08despite your feelings gives you a chance to see your own
- 24:11remaining sinfulness. Those misaligned emotions is.
- 24:14God for forgiveness for those. Exactly.
- 24:16You choose to forgive based on truth and God's command, not on
- 24:20whether you feel like it. Yet that's part of being renewed
- 24:23in the spirit of your mind. Like Ephesians 4 talks about
- 24:26acting on truth even when feelings lag behind.
- 24:29OK. Truth leads, feelings follow.
- 24:32Eventually, maybe, hopefully. And the third caution, Yes,
- 24:36getting to the place of forgiveness doesn't mean
- 24:38forgiveness itself is this slow, gradual process.
- 24:43How so? I thought it might take time
- 24:45the. Sources caution against thinking
- 24:47you just sort of ooze your way into forgiveness over weeks or
- 24:49months. Forgiveness itself is described
- 24:52as a transaction. A transaction, a specific choice
- 24:55made in a moment of time. OK.
- 24:57Not a drawn out process, they. Reference Nancy Lee Demos, who
- 25:02apparently says if you view forgiveness mainly as a long
- 25:05work in progress, yeah, it seldom becomes a work in
- 25:09practice. Ouch.
- 25:11That's convicting. It is.
- 25:13Now the internal journey, you know, coming to terms with it,
- 25:15applying the gospel, walking out the consequences that can be
- 25:18long and hard, no doubt, right the.
- 25:20Processing takes time, but the. Choice to forgive, to release
- 25:24the debt, that can happen instantly right now to the level
- 25:27of your understanding at that point, the source says.
- 25:29And that. Choice frees you it.
- 25:31Releases you from the prison of your own unforgiveness and they
- 25:34make the point to just forgetting about it isn't the
- 25:37same as forgiving it. No, that's.
- 25:38Avoidance, not forgiveness, right?
- 25:40So those cautions are important guardrails.
- 25:43It's not about delay, not about feelings driving the bus.
- 25:46And the choice itself is definite OK.
- 25:49So let's try and wrap this up. Looking back at the core ideas
- 25:53from this deep dive, we've seen that real biblical forgiveness
- 25:57isn't just a rule. It's fundamentally about
- 26:00applying the gospel Christ's work for you to your own
- 26:03suffering. Yes.
- 26:05And that involves that crucial internal work, preaching those 7
- 26:08truths to yourself about Christ's suffering and sympathy
- 26:12God's. Purpose and suffering is
- 26:14trustworthiness your own. Sinfulness compared to God's
- 26:17holiness. Christ.
- 26:18'S purchased forgiveness and justification for you God.
- 26:21'S ownership of you, relieving you of vengeance and the.
- 26:24Resurrection life found in dying to self through forgiveness.
- 26:27Exactly. Meditating on those truths and
- 26:30remembering the cautions, right? Don't.
- 26:32Delay the choice. Don't wait for feelings.
- 26:34Recognize the choice as a transaction and while.
- 26:36This path is definitely presented as hard as costly.
- 26:39Absorbing that debt, Yeah, the material holds out this clear
- 26:43promise of genuine internal change.
- 26:45From hate to love. From bitterness to strength,
- 26:50producing real spiritual fruit and life in the person who
- 26:53forgives it aligns your heart more with God's heart towards
- 26:57you. And you mentioned this isn't the
- 26:59end of the topic from these sources.
- 27:01Oh, definitely. Not.
- 27:02They indicate there's more to unpack.
- 27:04So what's? Next.
- 27:05Well, our next deep dive will build right on this.
- 27:08We'll look more closely at the specific biblical commands about
- 27:11forgiveness. We'll explore some practical
- 27:14summaries found in the sources and tackle some of those common
- 27:17tricky questions like is forgiveness always required?
- 27:21Are there conditions? Maybe look at different Greek
- 27:23words used for forgiveness. See if that sheds light that
- 27:26sounds. Really helpful.
- 27:27Necessary follow up. Agreed.
- 27:29But. For today, maybe we can leave
- 27:30our listeners with this thought drawing from the material.
- 27:34When you view forgiveness through the lens of Christ's
- 27:38incredibly costly sacrifice for your sins, it really changes
- 27:42things, doesn't it? It stops feeling like this heavy
- 27:44burden, this thing you have to do, and it starts becoming more
- 27:48of a response, flowing out of gratitude for God's grace,
- 27:51flowing out of a deeper connection with Christ.
- 27:54It's. Described as a gateway to
- 27:56abundant life, not just an obligation, right?
- 27:59So the question to Mull over is how might actively preaching
- 28:03these specific gospel truths to yourself change your gut
- 28:07reaction? The next time someone hurts you,
- 28:09the next time you're sinned against?
- 28:11That's a good. Question to sit with something
- 28:12to. Think about thanks for joining
- 28:14us for this deep dive into the source material today.