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M and M EXTRA 06.30.26 | Remember Books? A Literary Odyssey · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra, a.
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  Speaker 2: Little something extra from the Ems. The Mike, the Mark,
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  Speaker 2: Mark Davis, that's me, Mike Gallagher, that's him. On this
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  Speaker 2: June thirtieth, the last day of June, the last day
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  Speaker 2: of the six month. I don't at three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty five days. I think it's like midnight July first,
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  Speaker 2: that's the exact midpoint of the year. But no matter what,
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  Speaker 2: we're just about at the threshold of the year being
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  Speaker 2: half over, which I just can scarcely believe.
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  Speaker 1: It's scared hard to believe. These months are flying by
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  Speaker 1: the way they are. Before you know what, We're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking Fall, Thanksgiving football, which I can wait, Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: New Year's and it feels like we just just did it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, and I'm always fascinated by the
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  Speaker 1: phenomenon that everything goes faster the older we get and
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  Speaker 1: may It's like it reminds me of the Peggy remember
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  Speaker 1: the old Peggy Lee song. Is that all there is?
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  Speaker 1: Is that all there is? Let's keep dancing?
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  Speaker 2: So it is.
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  Speaker 1: But I hate to be morbid. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: start off here.
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  Speaker 2: We're nearly dead. It's M and M extra we.
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  Speaker 1: Go one foot in the grave? Is that all there is?
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  Speaker 2: That's right, But it's true.
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  Speaker 1: The older you get, it seems like the faster the days, weeks, months,
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  Speaker 1: and years go by.
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  Speaker 2: And I absolutely believe it's true. Well, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: a matter of perception. It's the way we see it,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's accurate that we perceive it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there's anybody who's seventy who's going man, time
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  Speaker 2: is just dragon compared to when I was thirty. I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe that for a minute. My wife Lisa is
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  Speaker 2: fond of the toilet paper analogy that the closer you
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  Speaker 2: get to the end, the faster that it just spins.
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  Speaker 2: But I think there is real math behind this, because
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  Speaker 2: when you are twenty, you fine, your next year. Finally,
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  Speaker 2: your next year is only five percent of the time
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  Speaker 2: you've been on the planet. By the time you're sixty something,
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  Speaker 2: it's like every year is a tinier percentage of your
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  Speaker 2: total duration here on Earth, and thus it just seems shorter.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe that's wild over analysis. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it is. I don't know. It's funny because we
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  Speaker 1: talked a couple of weeks ago about Clive Davis passing
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  Speaker 1: away the age of ninety four, and you and I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this before. Look, if you die at ninety
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  Speaker 1: ninety five, one hundred, good way to go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know who died the same day.
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  Speaker 2: It was Alan Greenspan. He was one hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you and what good for you? And no one's saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: so it's what a tragedy. Well, no, that's a life
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  Speaker 1: well lived.
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  Speaker 2: People will okay, people will say it. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 2: if it's your dad and he's one hundred years you're sad.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, of course it's sad. It's a loss, but
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  Speaker 2: you're right, tragedy, it's like what And on the Greenspan story,
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  Speaker 2: it was like, well they said it was complications from Parkinson's. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's called being a hundred. He's ninety seven. What was
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  Speaker 2: the cause of death? It's called being ninety seven. We
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  Speaker 2: have a shelf life.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I have a fan in North Carolina named Joyce,
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  Speaker 1: and she used to write she still writes me all
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  Speaker 1: the time. She's got the show. She loves eminem Extra,
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  Speaker 1: she loves the Mike Gallagery Show. She loves Mark Davis
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  Speaker 1: and Jesus, and she's one hundred years old, and she
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  Speaker 1: she has written me call it. She calls herself my
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  Speaker 1: oldest fan, and quite literally. And it was your idea
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  Speaker 1: when she was having last year her hundredth birthday celebration.
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  Speaker 1: I remember this. You were the one who said, why
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  Speaker 1: don't you go to her birthday party? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: being in the Carolina's of course, home of our dear
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  Speaker 1: friend Joey Hudson. I flew into North Carolina and we
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  Speaker 1: went to her birthday and I remember sitting there thinking
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  Speaker 1: about and she's a wonderful lady. She's funny, and she's
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  Speaker 1: got a beautiful, wonderful, loving daughter. Sam is the daughter's name,
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  Speaker 1: and her family, and but she's but Joyce is by
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  Speaker 1: herself in a house taking care of her. Now she's
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  Speaker 1: got her family there with her as well to take
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  Speaker 1: care of her, the check in on her all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, just think about this, twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: This is a lady who is one hundred years old.
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  Speaker 1: What she has been through those eyes, what she's heard
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  Speaker 1: through those from those ears. Well, the things she said
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  Speaker 1: her loves her lives her life or the lives in
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  Speaker 1: her life. I just think that's so wonderful. And I
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  Speaker 1: love knowing that Joyce is out there every day listening.
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  Speaker 2: To There is something else that's wonderful that I want
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  Speaker 2: people to know about. It's called the kind of person
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  Speaker 2: you are because I remember the day you told me
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  Speaker 2: about Joyce and I said, I'll tell you what that
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  Speaker 2: she was having her one hundredth birthday and I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what is you ought to go. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just mouthing off, what do you mean you ought to go?
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  Speaker 2: And you did? You actually did.
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  Speaker 1: It was your idea, It was your idea.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't a real idea. I didn't really mean you should go.
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  Speaker 1: I went, and I had had the time of my
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  Speaker 1: life and.
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  Speaker 2: She FaceTime to me. You facetimed me and I got
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  Speaker 2: to say hi to her and it was an absolute
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  Speaker 2: incredible joy. But I want people to know that of
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  Speaker 2: all the idea, the average human being would have gone,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah you should go to the party. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you actually did. And I can't imagine what that
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  Speaker 2: meant to her. And it really meant a lot to
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  Speaker 2: me as well.
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  Speaker 1: It meant a lot to me. It was a blessing.
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  Speaker 1: It was a blessing to be able to experience that
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  Speaker 1: with her.
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  Speaker 2: So speaking of okay, this is neat she. I'll tell you,
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  Speaker 2: I bet she has lived through some things, and obviously,
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  Speaker 2: by our own admission, so have we, not as much
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  Speaker 2: as Joyce. But this will involve looking back at our
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  Speaker 2: youth and our schooling compared to today. My catalyst for
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  Speaker 2: today's deep dive is just I guess there's studies about this.
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  Speaker 2: And also it's called Ask any instructor, Ask any high
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  Speaker 2: school teacher, ask any college professor, college instructor, and they
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  Speaker 2: will tell you something about the kids today.
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  Speaker 1: The kids today.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go Boomer in the front yard, shaking his
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  Speaker 2: fist at a clad The kids today can't read for crap,
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  Speaker 2: they have no reading attention span. But we may do
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  Speaker 2: writing in this episode as well. I don't know. Don't
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  Speaker 2: even get me started that they could. They could no
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  Speaker 2: more write a five hundred word composition than I could
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  Speaker 2: get up and fly to Jupiter. Let's go with the
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  Speaker 2: reading thing first. Instructors are saying that ten twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 2: I used to have like four books on the syllabus,
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  Speaker 2: and we would read those four books, or maybe it
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  Speaker 2: was three, or maybe it was six. I mean however
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  Speaker 2: ambitious the course was. These days, if I can get
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  Speaker 2: kids through one book, I feel like I'm in the
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  Speaker 2: Promised Land. Their attention spans are nothing, so before we
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  Speaker 2: get to beating on today's young people, which is what
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  Speaker 2: we love do. Kidding, kidding, there's so many great examples
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  Speaker 2: to be found to that are exceptions to the rule.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher In school, what do you recall about the
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  Speaker 2: reading demands, the books you had to read, what you
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  Speaker 2: thought about that task, and how you pulled it off.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the two books that jump out at me from
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  Speaker 1: my childhood was Catcher in the Rye from JD. Salinger,
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  Speaker 1: which stuck with me for many many years. And then
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  Speaker 1: on my own, not a not an assigned reading a task,
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  Speaker 1: but what I did on my own was get Stephen
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  Speaker 1: King's It. And I remember I was a kid, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what year that came out, but it
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  Speaker 1: had to be. I mean, Stephen King must be one
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  Speaker 1: hundred years old when did and he looks like it.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen him lately? Poor guy? Bless his heart.
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  Speaker 1: He's talk about living a long, you know, productive life.
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  Speaker 1: What see if you can look on that machine?
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  Speaker 2: Novel, nineteen nineteen eighty six.
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  Speaker 1: Was the novel?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not you were twenty six. There's no
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  Speaker 2: no fault. Was it the shining was No, it was
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  Speaker 2: it because it was the clown. Wasn't that the clown
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  Speaker 2: that took over day?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? Was it eighty six?
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  Speaker 2: Sure?
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought it was seventy six? No kidding, Well, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: those two books for whatever reason, I think, well, look,
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  Speaker 1: twenty six when you're sixty six, when you're you're still
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  Speaker 1: a kid.
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  Speaker 2: There's another thing that happens is your memory just goes BH.
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  Speaker 1: But Catcher and your Catcher in the Rye stayed with
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  Speaker 1: me forever, and it was really it?
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  Speaker 2: Did it?
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  Speaker 1: Really did?
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  Speaker 2: Why dude?
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  Speaker 1: What? What don't you like? I can see you rolling
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  Speaker 1: your eyes. This is this is what is so great?
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  Speaker 1: We always sit here, we go all right, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this. We're going to get through this, and.
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  Speaker 2: Every every paragraph of what you say or what I
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  Speaker 2: say could be another entire episode, such as The Magic
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  Speaker 2: of Eminem Extra you you read Catcher in the Rye
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  Speaker 2: at the age of.
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid, I argue, I remember, look, I
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  Speaker 1: thought I thought nine years old, So I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't trust my.
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  Speaker 2: Memory so out of since I never did as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: and it was so legendary. I went and consumed to
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  Speaker 2: Catcher in the Rye like three or four years ago.
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  Speaker 2: You're kidding, it's it's one of the dumbest things I've had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's not it's not dumb. I guess it's
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  Speaker 2: just the hype. It just first of all, it's fairly short,
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  Speaker 2: which I always appreciate. It's just this this, this this
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  Speaker 2: kid wandering through New York. It's like my movie test.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't care. I didn't care at all. But I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you what, maybe if I had been a teenager
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  Speaker 2: thinking about young Holden Callfield right wandering through, would about
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  Speaker 2: oh what would it be like to So I think
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  Speaker 2: it might have been a generational thing. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to bag on Catcher in the Rye. Well, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't it John Hinkley that had a copy of Catcher
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  Speaker 1: the Rye with him when he killed John Lennon, and
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  Speaker 1: and he thought.
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  Speaker 3: We.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Mark Mark David Chapman.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis, Chad David Chapman.
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  Speaker 2: Mark David Chapman kill Lennon? Did you have a Catcher
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  Speaker 2: in their eye? For the Lenin murder.
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  Speaker 1: Thought he did for the John Lennon murder. Hinkley. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was Hankley shot Reagan. Well yeah, he Hinkley shot
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  Speaker 1: Reagan for Jodie Foster. But I think I think Mark
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  Speaker 1: David Chapman had a copy of The Catcher in the
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  Speaker 1: Ride because it impacted him, you know, obviously for the
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  Speaker 1: for the worst. But you're right, I think when you're
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  Speaker 1: a kid and you're impacted by a story like that.
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  Speaker 2: And of course Mark David Chapman had a copy of
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  Speaker 2: Catcher in the Eye and.
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  Speaker 1: Continue, which is which is creepy, but but it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love the way and and and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that I read enough books as I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: Now that I'm an adult, and I've got a very
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  Speaker 1: distinct mission with books, and I'm all, I always want
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  Speaker 1: to have one or two books on my nightstand. But
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  Speaker 1: my mission is kind of like I watch TV. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I try to escape. I don't like I frankly don't
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  Speaker 1: like political books. I'm not a big because I do
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  Speaker 1: it every day, and we do it and day in
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  Speaker 1: and day out. So I try to escape with biographies.
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  Speaker 1: I just finished a great, great biography of Louren Michaels,
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  Speaker 1: the founder of Saturday Night Live.
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  Speaker 2: Is it accompanying this? Is it a companion to the documentary?
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a I don't know if they have
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  Speaker 2: anything to do with.
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  Speaker 1: Each I don't know that they have any to do
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  Speaker 1: with each other, but I but the But the biography
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  Speaker 1: goes back to his roots in Canada and how he
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  Speaker 1: got into show business, and of course he was like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of big famous producers. He started out as
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  Speaker 1: a performer and then made that transition. But I love
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  Speaker 1: to escape in a book and I and there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: better the old phrase, the cliche, curl up with a
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  Speaker 1: good book for me, that that's me all over.
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  Speaker 2: Where you just literally where you can't put it down now.
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  Speaker 2: But by escape, do you mean it can it can
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  Speaker 2: be either some wonderful thing of fiction or a biography
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  Speaker 2: of somebody who didn't think you knew about. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: because I could escape into bio, I can also escape
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  Speaker 2: into history or this wonderful thing that Brett Baher wrote
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  Speaker 2: about Ulysses Grant. So it's it's not an escape would
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  Speaker 2: be defined if I'm if I'm reading you correctly, because
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  Speaker 2: I think I feel the same way as anything that
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  Speaker 2: is a big departure from what we do every single.
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  Speaker 1: Day, bingo, which which tends to tend which tends to
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  Speaker 1: point me in the direction of show business. I like
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  Speaker 1: entertainment books, of course. I like books about theater. I
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  Speaker 1: just finished a great book, There's a There's a young
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  Speaker 1: woman Who's a Broadway dresser. You know, Broadway has and
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  Speaker 1: theatrical productions have people called dressers, and they are the
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  Speaker 1: people backstage who are assigned to an actor or multiple
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  Speaker 1: actors and actresses and they help them change do wardrobe changes.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of times wardrobe changes have to be
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  Speaker 1: real quick. I remember when I when I played Daddy
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  Speaker 1: Warbucks in production of Annie, there was always a real
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  Speaker 1: quick change in the end of the in the end
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  Speaker 1: of the second act where he comes out, Daddy Warbucks
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  Speaker 1: comes out in the famous tuxedo, and I had a
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  Speaker 1: quick change, and I got into the tuxedo and I
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  Speaker 1: ran out on stage and my fly was open, my
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  Speaker 1: and my white tux shirt was flapping through my zipper,
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  Speaker 1: so you could really see it. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 1: like and the whole audience just roared and laughter because
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  Speaker 1: Daddy Warbucks has fly open. Daddy Warbucks is a pervert. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Denise always thought Daddy Warbucks was a weirdo. She always said,
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  Speaker 1: what's he out? Why is he like that? Little girl?
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  Speaker 1: You know what's that all about? Kim here a little girl.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you in the man came here Annie.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, so this dresser on Broadway and I don't
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I forget her name, but she was the
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  Speaker 1: dresser for James Monroe Inglehart, who's a big Broadway star.
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  Speaker 1: He played Aladdin on Broadway, and he played he was
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  Speaker 1: in Hamilton, a whole bunch of shows. Anyway, she wrote
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  Speaker 1: a book about this is the coolest book for me.
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  Speaker 1: Every Broadway theater on Broadway, which of course is defined
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  Speaker 1: as I forget forty first up to fiftieth Street, from
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  Speaker 1: north to the South's there's no not there's not really
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  Speaker 1: a Broadway. There's not There is a Broadway, but there's
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  Speaker 1: only one or two theaters on Broadway. Most of them
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  Speaker 1: are on side streets. Anyway, she wrote a book detailing
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  Speaker 1: it was a page or two of the history of
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  Speaker 1: every one of those glorious, majestic historic theaters, including me.
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  Speaker 2: Would it be history hiding around Broadway? Backstage lore secrets
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  Speaker 2: and Surprises from New York's famed Theater District by Switzer Devornik.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. That's the one. What that that book is
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  Speaker 1: so good because they're first of all, most of these
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  Speaker 1: theaters that are still standing were nineteen hundred, nineteen oh one,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen ninety three, and they've renovated them a million times,
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  Speaker 1: but they are the actual old theaters and their stories
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  Speaker 1: about ghosts, and their stories about legends, and and the
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  Speaker 1: Schuberts and the Nederlanders and the on the old theater war.
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  Speaker 1: I loved the cigar chomping producers. And it's a great
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  Speaker 1: So that's the kind of book that I just and
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  Speaker 1: I just finished it last week. But that's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of book I escape into you and look.
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  Speaker 2: What you just did. What you just did, and you
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  Speaker 2: took me along with you, and may want to maybe
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  Speaker 2: we want to read the things which is that that
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  Speaker 2: in here we are a couple of old farts talking.
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  Speaker 1: About these books.
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  Speaker 2: This is something that will not never say never, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen with today. That the do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: it required an enormous amount of mental discipline to get through? It's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, two hundred and fifty. It's a pleasure, and
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  Speaker 2: it's a pleasure lost to today's younger generation. And let
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  Speaker 2: me so, when you were in school, can I ask
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  Speaker 2: a dumb question that I don't know the answer to.
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  Speaker 2: You were doing talk shows when you were seventeen? Correct?
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  Speaker 1: When I was a high senior in high school?
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  Speaker 2: Did you go to college?
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  Speaker 1: I did not. I did not. I went to I
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  Speaker 1: attended the University of Mackerel. You never knew that, No, No.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I probably should have buy Osmosa, should have
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  Speaker 2: figured out you were too busy doing talk shows.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to the University of Radio. I
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  Speaker 1: tried to go to the University of Dayton. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I tried well, because I've had to. I kept leaving
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  Speaker 1: class to go to work because they were having me
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  Speaker 1: work fifty hours a week at the radio station. And
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  Speaker 1: I finally told my mom, Mom, I'm going to school
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  Speaker 1: to get a degree, to try to get a job
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  Speaker 1: that I already have. I've got the job. I was
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  Speaker 1: a talk show host and I was also the production director.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was doing everything at eighteen, nineteen twenty
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  Speaker 1: years old. Radiostatile. So but but look, it was always
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  Speaker 1: my deep regret. I always tell kids at a college
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: degree if you.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Can still still in the last five or six years, maybe.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Probably totally has for me. Totally has for me.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: College. I'm not bagging on college is such a minefield politically.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's maybe another entire on a talk show
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: we've all done forty times already. But college is still
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: intrinsically a really good thing to do. I'm very glad
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: that I did. It broadened me. There are things I
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: know that I wouldn't otherwise know, but generally speaking, totally
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and you're living proof that it is totally not necessary
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: to being a well rounded, well read person.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Well. I my late sister, who with whom I was
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: estranged for the last years of her life, very very real,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: far left, hard left, but political differences were only part
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: of it. We had a we had a very difficult relationship.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: But she was a product of academia. She was a professor,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: she was vice president of a university. She was a
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: big muckety muck, and so for her it was mortifyed
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: that her little brother didn't didn't have a college degree.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And of course she was disgusted with my career choice.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, she hates hated talk radio, hated conservatives, and Republicans.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Oh no, happy Thanksgiving.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Oh no, we had it was a very tough and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: we had a childhood and all that. But anyway, but
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest joys of my life. She wrote
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: some books that were like textbooks right that we were
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: for academia. Do you know what my sister went through?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: And her illiterate moron little brother had a book on
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the New York Times bestseller.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: List, Surrounded by Idiots.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It was the first one. Yeah, and she was MORTI
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: my first books arounded by idiots fighting liberal lunacy in America, which,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: by the way, my prayer, my wish was that I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: would be at the bottom of the New York Times
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: bestseller list for one week, and God answered my prayer.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I was at the bottom of the New York Times
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: bestseller list for one week. But I sold some books
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and I did pretty good and made some money on it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And I enjoyed doing the book, and I enjoyed doing
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the second book. Surrounded by idiots.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Are fifty things liberals.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Liberals love to hate. You know more, I know your
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: books better than you do well. And I know your books.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm a lone star and you're the great work You've
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: gotten to do. How many books have you written? Well?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Two? Two, it's funny. One in twenty fourteen, one Star America,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: How Texas Doring and saved the Because that's twenty sixteen
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: upside down, How the Left turned right into wrong, truth
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: into lies, and good into bad. And I'm going along
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: with the book every two years. At this point, only
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: two of them, and I thought, hey, this is cool.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Never did another one. I think I started writing more
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: columns and doing more, you know, snippets of stuff for
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Newsweek and town Hall and Dallas Morning News and Star Telegram.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I haven't done one since. When did fifty Things Liberals Loved?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Hay Coming?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Don't don't ask me. I can't even remember.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: It's been it's been a while. It's been a long time.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, both books, I mean, they were a long time
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and I because it scarred me for life. Both of
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: those experiences brutal, Oh my gosh. The first book we did,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the Surrounded by Idiots bus tour. To this day, to
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: this day, when I see a motor home, I break
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: out in hives. We had to go to like thirty
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: cities in thirty days on a motor coach, and the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: rule on the motor coach was you can't go number two.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: You can go number one, but you can't go number
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: two on the motor coach while it's moving.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: So graywater, no blackwater.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And we found all the oh I and we had
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a oh my gosh, that was a nightmare. We went
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: from city to city and we were we were in
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: bum you know where Egypt. I mean we went to Pickwall, Ohio,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and we were driving through West Virginia. I still remember
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: walking a lot this gravel road to get to the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: oh It was brutal, brutal.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: So this was okay, go ahead, finish and then I'll
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: tell you when that was.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: So we I mean, yeah, what year was.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: It was two thousand and five. It was twenty one
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: short years ago, and which I totally get because my
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: first one came out in twenty fourteen and then twenty sixteen,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and that was right at the cusp of when you
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: just about didn't have to do book tours by doing
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: real tours anymore. And in a way I lament that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: because I would have thought that was kind of cool.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And maybe it is for ten minutes or three stops
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: in a big city, but eventually you find yourself dragged out.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty and thirty. But here's what was cool about it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: What we would do is I would do the radio
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: show from the motor coach. We had one of those
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you know, winnebagos or whatever. The walls expanded, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: it was kind of a luxury motor coach, right, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they had it all wrapped with Mike Gallagher surrounded by idiots.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget. We kicked the tour off, if you'll
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: remember this. I was living in Dallas and we kicked
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the tour off in the parking lot of White's Chapel
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Methodist Church and in South Lake, Texas, and my pastor,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: John McKellar came out on the bus and blessed us
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and prayed for us and did a blessing rather and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: we did. That's what kicked it all off. And I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: just have such great, some wonderful memories of it. But
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it was also rough. But here was what was kind
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of neat is every city we went to was a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: city that carried my radio show. So we would do
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like a book signing and people could come on to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the motor coach and we'd have it set up. There'd
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: be a line of people and it was it was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: kind of neat, but then we'd have to go to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the next city and it was rough, and again.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: It was there a twenty twenty. I now by the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: time Fifty Things Liberals Loved to Hate came out in
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve. That was the year I walked through the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: doors of Salem and you and I started working together,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: but only in the way that we had. Your network
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: show was on the station and I was doing the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Love Show. We started doing a couple of minutes of Hey,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: here's Mike to plug your show and look what that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: has become. But what was the what was the book
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: tour environment for that one? If you if there was.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: One, I blocked it out. I blocked it out of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: my memory. I can't remember. I've it traumatized me so much.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I think I blocked it out. No, it wasn't like that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: We didn't have a bus. I mean I did. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: did media appearances, and there was all this negotiation with
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Fox News because I was I was still a contributor
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: at Fox News at the time, and they didn't want
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to promote books. And my publisher said, you got to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: get a Fox News What do you mean They didn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: want to. They wanted you to promote books that were
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: under their imprint. There's a whole political thing over there
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: with Fox News and I think probably any of these
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: cable networks where you know they and they know because
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: because Fox owns, you know, some threat some imprints and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: have some publishing companies. So there was all kinds of
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: politics and drama and everything.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But got a story because Okay, so that was twenty
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: twelve when Fifty Things Liberals Loved to Hate come out.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It came out twenty fourteen. I write Lone Star America,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: How Texas Can Save Our Country? And both mine were
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: through Regnory, a publishing house that Salem then at our
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: company then bought. But my first book was before we
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: bought Regnory, and they they literally came to me and said, hey,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: we're looking for a book about how everybody talks Texas
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Texas Texas. How great is Texas? Text so concernedive text
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: so great? Can you write a book about that that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: would have national appeal? I said, I think I can
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: do that, and I didn't. Had a lovely, lovely time,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: such a good time that I said, let's think of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: another book I can do. And it was basically just
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: an overall look at how the Left, as my subtitle says,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: in upside down, and they got a picture of Grant
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Woods American Gothic and turned it upside down.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, that's the cover.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And it was how the left just turned right into wrong, truth,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: into lies, good into bad blah blah blah. And for
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that one, For both of those, it was kind of
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the I did the book tour that they they flew
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: me to New York. I was on Fox and Friends,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and I thought, I was, you know, died with just
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: it was just this is and I had a talk
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: show for decades. I said, this is some big time stuff.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: But that Oh and in fact, twenty sixteen or fourteen,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the very first book interview I was scheduled to do
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: in New York, and I don't know who he was
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: working with at the time, but it got canceled because
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: he was involved in a very sudden job change guy
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: named Steve Bannon. Oh what was Steve What was Steve
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Mannon doing in the summer of twenty sixteen, where all
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: of a sudden he was like yanked into service to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: help Trump get elected or something like that. Because so
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I just did a bunch of stops in New York
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: did Hannity because we've all known Hannity for a lot.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But it was just the best. I had a lovely,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: lovely time. And so this is the book. The world
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: of reading books and writing books? Are we to be
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: dismayed and everything? Every rule has an exception. I'm sure
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: there are kids who are voracious readers, but the kids
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: just don't seem to be mentally able to work through
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a reading list for a high school class or a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: rich course anymore.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Is not not only that, but the but the method
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of reading? For example, do you read off of a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: kindle or do you read a regular book? What's your
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: prob Listen?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I read off a screen enough, and I'm fine for
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: computers for jobs.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: That's but that's how kids are reading everything there. Hey,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you ain't good? Good? I like.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: My hands. I will have you ever recreate even at
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the beach? I guess the light? Have you ever recreationally
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: read off a kindle?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I have, and I and I'll tell you what I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like about it. And I'm embarrassed to admit it. I'm
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: very vain about my eyesight. I should have glasses large,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I won't, and I got it. I can't see that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: A lot of times I can't see the print in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the book, and so the kindle makes that go away.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah, you pinch it out well well, and plus
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: well the font is also bolder and you can see
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it better. So I don't mind. But back to your
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: question about kids. They're not picking up a book out
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of the bookstore. You know they're not. They're not reading books.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: If they're they are reading stuff on their laptop or
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: their phones or a or even a kindle. But I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: will tell you that, to this day one of the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: most joyful. There's two retail stores that I could lose
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: myself in and spend hours and hours. One is the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Container Store. I can't get enough for the Container Store. Yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I always every time. It's like it's like after Isle
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of Wonderment for me. You find all these incredible ways
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to store things. It's the stupid I love the container
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Store right there with you. But Barnes and Noble. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: love going to a Barnes and Noble. I love the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: smell of can.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: You find one? I mean, they do sell exist. In fact,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: maybe this is the thing on they come back. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: thank you. I've noticed the same thing I found myself
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: wondering I might have talked in the last you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: two or three or four years, what's happening to the bookstores?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Is there such a thing as a bookstore anymore? Because
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I will tell you I can't remember the last time
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I actually bought something at a bookstore. Maybe Christmas time
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: when I was just looking around because everything I do,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Hello Amazon, because it comes to my house. But I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and I wondered would bookstores go the way of the dinosaur?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And I have seen some Barnes and Nobles disappear around DFW.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I've seen them vanish, turned into just you know, other things.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But then I've also think in the last couple of years,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: i've seen one open. I think are a new one.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I've read about there's been a resurgence of Barnes
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and Noble. They were going to go out of business.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: They were tell me that I don't know if it
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: was a in the world capital adventure capitalists. There was
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: an infusion of cash, but there was like a respite.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: There was like a reprieve given rather to Barnes and Noble.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of bookstores, I keep forgetting to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: do this, and I'm glad this kind of reminds me.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I have to I owe a bookstore an official apology.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: There's a bookstore in New York City. Oh, I know.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: There's a bookstore in New York City called the Strand.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Now the Strand is a world famous bookstore.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I know it. They're like four or five locations. There's
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: one in Chelsea, one of them they have the Sacks.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: There's only one that I don't think there's other. There's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: one location.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You talk and I'll find out.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You look that up because I'm almost no, there's only
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: one Strand. It's it's in Chelsea and it is, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the big Moniker is because I don't forget how many
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: miles of books. It's a huge, multi story historic bookstore
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: in New York City called the Strand. And go ahead,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: how many? I win?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: There are four of them. The main flagship eight twenty
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: eight Broadway in the East Village. That that's I think that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: But there's one on the upper west side. Well, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the other two are LaGuardia and a Kiosk in Central Well.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. There's only one Strand two, No,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: there's one. There might be a little spin off and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a little side logo. There's one. I'm telling you.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: There's one famous or West Side for fifty Columbus ad
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: between eighty. But you know what, maybe that's maybe that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: just I will okay anyway, but I've been there and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: it's it's like from the fifties.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's crazy nuts and you could find anything in there.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But what I thought you couldn't find were any books
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: by conservatives. And I went on the air a year
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: or so ago, I had spent like and I spent
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: like half a day at the Strand. I went back, well,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I I pointed out the next day, you know, one
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: thing about the Strand is that there aren't any conservative books,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and that's just the shows you the liberal
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: bias in a place like New York City, and you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: know there's conservatives that live in New York. And I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: did this whole tirade.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Have you looked, I mean, don't admission there are a
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: million books in there.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I did really well. I was kind of keeping in
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the back of my mind and there were just weren't.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: In my mind, there weren't any conservative books. So I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: went on this tirade on the air. There's like a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: year ago, well a couple of months ago. I was
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: back in New York and I went back to the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: strand and look at look at Yasmin. She found the strand.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Look at that b role as we're as here on
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the Eminem's strand. How good is she?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That's a twelve street and Broadway right there fore.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Great, great, look great, just a history and it's and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's on the National Historic Registry.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken me ye, it really is. Anyway,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I was there a couple of weeks ago, and I
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: don't know why. I turned the corner and I was
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: lima whole section of conservative books, George Bush, Mike Pans,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh. I thought, oh crap. So I got to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: get back on the books. Are OK, go ahead, you
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: all know? And they were all the right, Yeah, you're right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: They weren't like, yeah, that's right, well that's well. It
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: was Colin Colin Powell, and it was they were safe conservative,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but at least it was some semblance of Republicanism, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't think there were any So I owe them
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: an apology. So I got to get back on the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: air one of these days in apology and and make
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that well discounts. I mean, this will probably you never
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: know sopaking of a book. So I listen to you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. I was, I was in a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: place that I'll identify, and maybe i'd love your thought
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: on this this store that I'm about to describe here
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: on reading episode day on the eminem Extra. For the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: first time, I'll never forget the first time I found
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: one of my own books at half price. In that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: half price book, I went to the political thing. But
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. It meant, somebody, listen, I'm at
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: half price all the time. You have you sold a
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: lot of books at that price. Well, I don't how
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: many I've sold, but I know they wind up and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: because they get recycled, people.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Them in or what do you do, because let's stipulate
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: we both we order a lot of books, we read
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of books. What do you then do with
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: them when you are done?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Almost always try to give them to a friend. Every time.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I try to give them to a friend or somebody.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And I went to the fishery of that many times
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and thank you, But I mean, I don't have enough
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: friends in fourteen lifetimes to give away every book that
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I have or I've read. So I went from phase one,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: which was keep them, which totally doesn't work, because it's
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: just I've got I got a wall, I got it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: It's I run out of stuff. It's clutter. Lisa said,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you will get rid of some of these books, so
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I don't need some. But then I got listen, if
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I can get a couple of bucks at half priced books,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: there's some that I keep because I love them, or
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I would want to give them to somebody. If I
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, Roseanne Cash, I love her too, here's autobiography.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But I went so I started doing half price books something.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: So do you have a history of taking books to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: half price and trying to get a couple of bucks?
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I do not. I do not.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Nope, I never did that. I mean now now, now,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I we'll tell you this. Tom Tradup, who's a network executive,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: used to scoop up all the books back in the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: day when I was in Dallas. They would send us
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: all these books, you know, for for for our review
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: as talk show hosts. Sure Tom would Tom would go
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: scoop them up and take them to the store. Makes
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: some money. Yes, Oh yeah, that's well.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I'd have a box of maybe fifty books in a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: big tote, and I see to recall getting about you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a book, a book, and they turned around to sell
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it for six Now I took When finally got to
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the tipping point, almost literally, the house was like tipping
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: into the street. I loaded up Lisa's SUV with what
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: had to be four massive totes filled with books. I figured,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: this is great, We're going to get to go to
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Papa Steaks just on the half of nice books. The
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: entire thing was like thirty five.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Bucks, thirty seven cents.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Just it was like nothing. It was nothing but the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: weird to go from macro to micro. I stood there
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: in the politics and current events thing and it was
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a copy of Lone Star America by me twenty four
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: days nice. And I thought somebody read it and then
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: got a couple of bucks for it or twelve cents
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: or whatever, And I thought, huh. So I took it out,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: took a look at it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It was a signed copy. Oh, it was already signed.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: You couldn't even sign it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: No, it said Bill, thanks for listening, Davis, Bill so
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: meaningful time.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey that's that's that's terrific. Can I close
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: with this observation though, because you said something that was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: really profound. In my mind, you and I have been
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: chatting on a daily basis in my mind six eight,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: maybe nine years. Are you telling me that the first
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: conversation we had was twenty are you? Is it twenty twelve?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I started, I walked in the doors of Salem.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I just had my fourteenth anniversary. That's June of twenty twelve. Right,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: you were on the station.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: It can we start doing the our chats? Though?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Pretty darn soon there really was, because do you know
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: what you know? What's foggy and fuzzy to me, because
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you are now the brother I never had. What's foggy
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and fuzzy to me is our relationship pre Salem when
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I was on BAP. But you were already a big deal,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you know, on what was always other stations that I
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: would listen to. We'd run into each other at very
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: at various things. I know, But I but I think
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it was just by happenstance or something you were were
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you were here? When did you leave df W?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: When did you well? Again, don't pay me down on yours,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But what I remember about you was that I loved
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Russ Martin. I like shock jocks. I'm always a fan
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of shock jocks. You always love Stern likeas I just
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I've got a pure I've got a bad boy side
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of me. I would never act that way on the air,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: but if they're.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Well your dad's.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: But Russ Martin was was Dallas's shock jock, and he
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: loved you. And I was always jealous of the fact
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: because when I went on, he just mocked me and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: put me down and I was made out to be
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the biggest boob in the history of broadcasting. But with you,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: he loved you. Russ passed away a few years ago,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: which was so tragic. But Russ Martin, that's what I
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: remember about you because there you were going on the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: right Smartin show, and I kind of knew you sort
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of in the market, and of course you were this
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: legendary talk show host from WBAP and now of course
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you're the anchor of six sixty Am The Answer. But
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to think that you and I, let's just say, let's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: say it was a year in Mark. That's that's thirteen years.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: So that's crazy.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's been. It's been like that.
• 36:21
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  Speaker 1: you wrap up, mister David. I owe you so much.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I literally owe you financially for something. Well, it's about
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: it goes back to it predates with me both working
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: for Salem at the same time. You and I were
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: slated to appear at a speek at event where we
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: were both going to speak. Okay, yep, and I think
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I want to say that I was going to get
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the great privilege of introducing you, and I was. So
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: we clearly had each other's contact Infolk because we had
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a telephone conversation and there was a momentous fragment of
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that conversation where I guess it was all under construction.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: The whole thing was formative. It's like, okay, and I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: think it was was I supposed to ask whether you'd
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: be interested in coming.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I think that was it. I was about to see
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: is this an event you would consider coming to? You
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: asked me a question. Do you remember what the question was?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I don't remember any of this. No, I don't remember.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I had for breakfast, so please stop asking. You asked
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: me a question. You said, what are they paying? And
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: there was a pause at my end of the line,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: and the concept of charging someone because I was going
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: to come out and speak to them spoke to me
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: like an angel from the heavens. And I was strill
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: because I thought, you know something, visit listen. If it's
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: a charity, of course not, or even maybe an occasional
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Republican club where I'm just trying to get out the vote. No, no, no,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: But if it's something where they're going to make money
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: and they want me to not charge them, is insane, right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: So you did well starting that day and every dog
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: gone day ever since.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I was so because because I'm such an idiot. I
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: mean I'm not. It was great, but I mean it
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: was like, but you make me out to be a
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: mercenary here the thing not at all, but because it's
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like hello. And then then I since learned what other
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: people were making for showing up and talking for five minutes,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to blow my brains out for the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: money I'd left on the table for maybe fifteen prior
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: year years.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll leave you with this thought. Our colleague and friend,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Scott Jennings, he does one hundred and sixty speeches a year.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Don't teach you, don't even I don't even want to.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Do the math. And let me tell you something. He
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: makes a little more than what you got that day
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in Dallas. Ok So, so there is there is gold
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: in them. Deserves every day, he deserves every penny, But
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: there is gold in them, thar Hills. Well good, I'm
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: glad I made you a little money. I'm obviously a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: cutthroat mercenary that's just out in it for the book.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: But it benefited you. I love that, and I love you,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad we just been right back this day together,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: all right, appreciate it, See you next.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Time, your next time. Everybody for a full shows live
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