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Credlin | 24 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: And hopefully Chris, you and I will be back here
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Speaker 2: as Happy Crow's supporters on Monday night. Good evening and
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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond filling in for Peter.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on Credline tonight. Another fiery day
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Speaker 2: in Canberra as the first week of the forty eighth
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Speaker 2: Parliament wraps up. More questions today on Labour's super tax,
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Speaker 2: as a number of labor inmps all but admit the
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Speaker 2: policy is flawed, while the Federal Coalition debate net zero.
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Speaker 2: The impact is already being felt on the ground as
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Speaker 2: one New South Wales town fights back on a massive
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Speaker 2: wind farm. This is an ongoing issue and I'll speak
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Speaker 2: with the mayor who's fired up soon. Plus nothing to
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Speaker 2: see here, also says Andrew Twiggy Forest when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the Chinese Communist Party. Now call me cynical, but
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Speaker 2: I can't help but think this might have more to
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Speaker 2: do with profits, less with national security. And it's only
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Speaker 2: been one week back, but already it seems like some
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Speaker 2: of our pollies are using the.
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Speaker 3: Plot bulls oooh bullfire right and you know you stay
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Speaker 3: away from the bulls, isn't it brilliant?
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Speaker 2: Well, we've seemingly reached the point where members of the
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Speaker 2: government know their taxation policies are bad, but they're going
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Speaker 2: to support them anyway because they're so desperate for the revenue.
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Speaker 2: The Australian reported today that labor MPs are privately worried
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Speaker 2: about changes to the superannuation system being pushed by Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Jim Charmers, which, as you know, would increase the tax
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Speaker 2: on balances above three million dollars to thirty percent and
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Speaker 2: include a tax on unrealized capital gains. That is literally
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Speaker 2: a tax on money. You don't have a tax on
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Speaker 2: theoretical money. I'll come back to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But this issue has dominated question time over the first
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Speaker 2: few days of this parliament. There were no less than
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Speaker 2: six questions yesterday.
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Speaker 4: It takes a lot to unite Paul Keating and John Howard,
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Speaker 4: but both are totally against unfair tax.
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Speaker 5: Can the Assistant Treasurer clarify how Labour's super tax on
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Speaker 5: unrealized capital gains would operate For a farmer who has
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Speaker 5: their farm held in a self managed superannuation fund when
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Speaker 5: they've had a failed season with no income.
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Speaker 6: Will the government rule out ever taxing unrealized capital gains
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Speaker 6: on anything beyond superannuation.
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Speaker 7: The Labour's unfair super tax on unrealized capital gains would
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Speaker 7: apply to quote around eighty thousand people. Does the Treasurer
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Speaker 7: stand by that number?
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Speaker 6: And can the Prime Minister advise the House if taxing
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Speaker 6: unrealized capital gains on the family trust the family home
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Speaker 6: is to be considered by this government.
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Speaker 8: Can the Assistant Treasurer confirm how many farmers and small
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Speaker 8: and family businesses will be impacted by the government's superannuation
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Speaker 8: tax on unrealized gains.
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Speaker 2: Well, we read in the Odds today that, following the questions,
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Speaker 2: one senior Labour MP said they hated the principle of
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Speaker 2: taking unrealized capital gains or taxing unrealized capital gains. I
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Speaker 2: should say, but that some kind of dramatic revenue raising
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Speaker 2: measures such as what doctor Chalmers had proposed, was simply necessary.
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Speaker 2: This is quoting the MP directly. Now, I hate the
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Speaker 2: principle of taxing unrealized capital gains, but there's a necessity
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Speaker 2: to it, and Caucus broadly doesn't have a problem with
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Speaker 2: what Jim is doing. Another Labour source said the Treasurer
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Speaker 2: had to quote hold the line because it would look
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Speaker 2: weak if he backed down. And if we can't do this,
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Speaker 2: what can we do. It's really not that radical. We
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Speaker 2: need to deal with at least part of the revenue
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Speaker 2: challenge with Super changes, and the treasure admitted as much
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Speaker 2: in Question Time today.
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Speaker 9: The reason these changes are so important is because we
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Speaker 9: need to make sure that the generous concessional treatment for
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Speaker 9: Super is sustainable, and that's why we announced this charge
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Speaker 9: two and a half years ago. There's been an election
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Speaker 9: between then and now. There are good reasons to make
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Speaker 9: the concessions more sustainable. We need to make the budget
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Speaker 9: more sustainable as well, mister Speaker, and this is a
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Speaker 9: part of that effort.
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Speaker 2: So it's not about genuine tax reform. It's not about
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Speaker 2: strengthening superannuation. It's not about fairness. It's about the fact
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Speaker 2: this is a high spending government and a high spending
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Speaker 2: government has to be a high taxing government to pay
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Speaker 2: its bills and debts. I mean, he talks there about
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Speaker 2: having to make the budget more sustainable, but sustainability isn't
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Speaker 2: about increasing spending and then increasing taxes and say all
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Speaker 2: good we've managed to make up the difference. It's about
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Speaker 2: balancing the genuine needs of the population with what the
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Speaker 2: government can fairly tax from us. Now, if you're in
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Speaker 2: any confusion about whether a tax on unrealized capital gains
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Speaker 2: in superannuation is fair, then just think of it this way.
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Speaker 2: Would it be fair if the federal government sent you
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Speaker 2: a letter saying that your family home has been valued
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Speaker 2: at one hundred thousand dollars more than it was twelve
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Speaker 2: months ago, So we want thirty percent of that now
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Speaker 2: thirty grand. You don't actually have that one hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: You're not any richer in cash than you were a
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Speaker 2: year ago. But because the bank or a real estate
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Speaker 2: agent or the valuer general says that your house is
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Speaker 2: worth this much, then we want our share of the profit,
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Speaker 2: even though it doesn't exist yet. You probably don't have
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Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars lying around to hand over, but it
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. That's the principle we're talking about here, And
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Speaker 2: if you don't think that's fair, then nor is taxing
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Speaker 2: unrealized capital gains in superannuation funds, especially given that for
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Speaker 2: a lot of people, the family home is as much
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Speaker 2: a part of their financial plan for retirement as super is.
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Speaker 2: And let's come back to the budgetary issue. Treasury advice
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Speaker 2: to the government that was leaked to the ABC earlier
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Speaker 2: this month said that they'd have to raise taxes and
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Speaker 2: lower spending if they want to balance the budget. Now
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Speaker 2: there's no evidence or talk of where they're going to
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Speaker 2: cut spending. So if they don't do that, the only
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Speaker 2: option is to tax even harder. It'll start with this
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Speaker 2: stupid and unfair supertax and then there'll be more because
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Speaker 2: unless Anthony Albanisi and Jim Charmers want to look Australians
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Speaker 2: in the eye and tell them that they're going to
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Speaker 2: take things away from them, which no government seems to
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Speaker 2: want to do anymore, then they have no other choice.
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Speaker 2: And make no mistake, this is a big spending government
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Speaker 2: and the spending is only increasing. Now bear with me here.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through a lot of numbers, but
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Speaker 2: it spells out or counts out I suppose just how
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Speaker 2: much the budget has grown In real terms, the budget
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Speaker 2: has increased significantly. For instance, Dr Charmers spent six hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty billion dollars in his first budget in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two. Now, adjusted for inflation, that's seven hundred and
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Speaker 2: ten point twenty five billion dollars today. But this year
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Speaker 2: is for budget had spending of seven hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: five point seven billion dollars, So in real terms, they're
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Speaker 2: spending seventy five billion dollars more than when they came
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Speaker 2: to government. And you might say, well, the population is larger,
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Speaker 2: so naturally spending will be larger, and sure that is true,
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Speaker 2: but again when you adjust the budget for inflation. In
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, there were roughly twenty six million people
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Speaker 2: in Australia and the government spent twenty seven thousand, three
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Speaker 2: hundred and six dollars per head. Today, with nearly twenty
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Speaker 2: eight million people, they're spending twenty eight thousand, one hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventeen dollars ahead. So government spending per person has
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Speaker 2: increased by about eight hundred dollars since Albanezi came to power.
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Speaker 2: And compare that to how things looked a decade ago
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Speaker 2: when Tony Abbott was Prime Minister and Joe Hockey was Treasurer.
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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, the budget was four hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: eight point six billion dollars, and again, to be fair,
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Speaker 2: I'll adjust that for inflation, so that four hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty eight point six billion would be five hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty three point six billion dollars today. Now, there was
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Speaker 2: a population ten years ago of nearly twenty four million,
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Speaker 2: which means the government was in today's money spending twenty
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Speaker 2: three thousand, two hundred and thirty nine dollars ahead. So
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Speaker 2: a decade ago, when Abbott and Hockey were in charge,
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Speaker 2: it was twenty three thousand, two hundred and thirty nine
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Speaker 2: of government spending per person adjusted for inflation, and today
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Speaker 2: under Albanesian Charmers it's twenty eight thousand, one hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventeen dollars per person. That's an increase of four thousand,
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Speaker 2: eight hundred and seventy eight dollars per head, nearly five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars extra per person who lives in this country. Now,
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Speaker 2: if Albanesi and Charmers had the same spending per head
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Speaker 2: today as we did under Abbot and Hockey, again adjusting
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Speaker 2: for inflation, in real terms, the federal budget would be
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty six point three billion dollars cheaper.
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Speaker 2: It'll be six hundred and forty nine point four billion
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Speaker 2: instead of seven hundred and eighty five point seven billion.
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Speaker 2: That is how much spending has increased. An increase in
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Speaker 2: government spending hasn't been caused by inflation. It's been caused
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Speaker 2: by the government throwing around more and more money. And
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Speaker 2: where do they get that extra one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 2: six billion dollars from you? They have to tax it
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Speaker 2: out of you, and they have been. But if they
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Speaker 2: want to try to keep the budget afloat, and remember
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Speaker 2: we're about to hit a trillion dollars of debt, and
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Speaker 2: if they're not willing to cut spending, then it means
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Speaker 2: they have to tax you even more. That's what this
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Speaker 2: super tax is about. Even people in the Labor Party
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Speaker 2: know it is wrong and unfair, but they are not
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Speaker 2: brave enough to take on the real problem, which is spending.
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Speaker 2: So they will push and support policy that they know
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Speaker 2: is bad simply because they are weak and they're going broke.
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Speaker 2: Let's head to Camberin Out for tonight's political headlines with
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Speaker 2: Scarney's political reporter Rubens Bargo.
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Speaker 10: The Coalition is zeroing in on the Prime Minister over
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Speaker 10: the state of Australia's relationship with the United States. Opposition
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Speaker 10: members are demanding answers on Anthony Abernese's diplomatic priorities.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has spent more time making excuses for
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Speaker 4: unacceptable live firing exercises off Australia's coast.
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Speaker 10: The Lower House erupted over Labour's superannuation tax reforms.
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Speaker 6: How does the Treasurer justify taxing Australians on money they
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Speaker 6: have never actually.
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Speaker 9: Received what every single person on this side of the
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Speaker 9: House believes, and that is in the fundamental importance of superannuation.
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Speaker 10: The first MP has been ejected for bad behavior. Liberal
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Speaker 10: frontbencher Scott Buckoltz, the.
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Speaker 1: Member for Wright, will leave the chamber under ninety.
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Speaker 10: Four A, setting the tone for the new parliamentary term.
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Speaker 10: MPs are now heading home for the weekend. They will
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Speaker 10: return next week.
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Speaker 2: As you saw there, another busy day in Parliament. So
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Speaker 2: joining me now as Deputy Executive Director at the Institute
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Speaker 2: of Public Affairs Daniel Wilde and Scarne Use contributor Caroly
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Speaker 2: Katz and Barnas, Welcome to you both. You saw a
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Speaker 2: bit there of how Question Time played out today. Now
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Speaker 2: we've only had two sessions so far, carrillly, but this
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Speaker 2: far in two days in how do you think the
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Speaker 2: opposition has gone, particularly when, of course now it's a
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Speaker 2: sea of red in the Lower House.
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Speaker 11: Look, I think that the opposition really needed to tighten
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Speaker 11: up their questioning. As we know, Albanezi has announced a
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Speaker 11: couple of changes that members can be ejected not just
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Speaker 11: for the hour but for three hours, but also the
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Speaker 11: number of questions that the opposition is allowed has been
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Speaker 11: reduced not to the cross benches of the Independence but
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Speaker 11: to the opposition, which means they need to tighten up
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Speaker 11: their questioning. Yesterday, I thought it was quite disappointing. We
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Speaker 11: knew that there would be Dorothy Dix's that were given.
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Speaker 11: I think that they should be got rid of. Like
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Speaker 11: in the Victorian Parliament. Here you're not meant to have
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Speaker 11: Dorothy Dix's and they've gone same as in the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 11: But you just knew that they were going to be
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Speaker 11: free kicks as well. You've got to tighten up your
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Speaker 11: language as well, Susan Lee. Naturally, there's a bit of
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Speaker 11: nervousness of any new leader. I thought Milton Dick, who
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Speaker 11: was unanimously returned as Speaker by both houses, I thought
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Speaker 11: he did actually very well yesterday. But I just think
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Speaker 11: that Susan Lee, you just need to get straight to
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Speaker 11: the point and that'll come as well. She has to
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Speaker 11: grow into the role no matter what anybody says. I
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Speaker 11: know that she's been in Parliament for twenty four years,
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Speaker 11: but she's now the leader and I think you know,
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Speaker 11: you need that certain amount of sharpness with those questions
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Speaker 11: and you need to prosecute the point. The one thing
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Speaker 11: that I would say is it's no point having a
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Speaker 11: myriad of questions to ask if you're not actually getting
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Speaker 11: the answer that you need, because as we know, with
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Speaker 11: reduced questioning means that there will be less transparency that
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Speaker 11: people will be able to see through in this government.
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Speaker 11: So nice, shut shot, short questions. I've probably been a
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Speaker 11: bit wordy tonight that you get exactly what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: And the problem is, I mean it's very hard to
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Speaker 2: look cohesive and have a message to take to the
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Speaker 2: government when you haven't really even settled on your policy
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Speaker 2: platform yet. I mean, everything's on the table. As I
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Speaker 2: said last night on the Late Debate, that table must
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Speaker 2: be groaning under the pressure of all these things they
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Speaker 2: have to consider now. Of course, the other big political
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Speaker 2: story today was the government lifting its long standing de
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Speaker 2: facto ban on US beef, which labor would actually have
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Speaker 2: as believe, has nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.
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Speaker 8: This decision has been purely based on science and a
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Speaker 8: rigorous assessment by my department. This is a decision based
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Speaker 8: on science. But this decision is based on science.
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Speaker 2: What a kuinky denk and I mean, funnily enough, the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration sees it differently. They've already claimed this is
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Speaker 2: a massive win. And in terms of what this means
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Speaker 2: for our farmers, the nationals are not happy.
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Speaker 8: We just don't want any of the biosecurity measures and
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Speaker 8: protocols to be weakened.
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Speaker 12: We don't know if they have been yet.
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Speaker 8: We haven't been given assurances yet that they have been.
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Speaker 12: They've leaked this through a journalist.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty good, Daniel, to try to pull the wool over. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's got nothing to do with Donald Trump. We know
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Speaker 2: it's all about Donald Trump and the United States. I
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Speaker 2: think we can all call bs on that one. But
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Speaker 2: have they made the right decision?
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Speaker 1: Nevertheless, well do they haven't. I mean, what's happened here, Klebers.
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Speaker 13: They've completely bottled the relationship with the United States, and
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Speaker 13: now they're basically offering Australian farmers up as a sacrificial lamb,
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Speaker 13: if you like, to the president as a way of
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Speaker 13: sort of trying to papering over what they've been doing
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Speaker 13: or not doing over the last few months. And you
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Speaker 13: know what struck me really about the approach of this
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Speaker 13: government towards the United States is they've had a lack
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Speaker 13: of curiosity about Donald Trump about how he managed to
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Speaker 13: become president win lose win. He's president to have not
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Speaker 13: had prior office or have been in the military, and
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Speaker 13: so they've never really studied why he is that he's
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Speaker 13: been so successful politically, and I don't think they've been
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Speaker 13: prepared for how to deal with our most important allies.
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Speaker 13: So I think this is an example of a short
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Speaker 13: term measure. They think it's going to plicate the Trump administration,
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Speaker 13: but we all know ultimately what Trump is demanding of
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Speaker 13: the allies of the United States is an increase in
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Speaker 13: defense spending and to improve the allocation of that defense
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Speaker 13: spending too. So until that happens, I don't think we're
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Speaker 13: going to see much of an improvement to that relationship.
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Speaker 2: Calum And they say it's based on science, but they
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Speaker 2: haven't really showed us the science, So we'll wait on
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Speaker 2: that one now. Andrew Twiggy Forrest Forteskew Is abandoned two
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Speaker 2: of its green hydrogen projects, which surely means we are
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Speaker 2: close to putting the final nail in the coffin of
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Speaker 2: this thing, even though the PM still swearz it's the future.
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Speaker 2: And amongst the litany of reasons they've cited, one is
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Speaker 2: to blame Donald Trump and the change in energy policy
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Speaker 2: in the United States dates Carly. I'll get into Twiggy
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Speaker 2: and all the business has been talking about with Beijing
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Speaker 2: with the security experting just a moment. But it's pretty
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Speaker 2: rich to blame Trump, isn't it. Given even projects in
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Speaker 2: Australia he was trying to get off the ground which
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Speaker 2: had a lot of taxpayer money propping them up. They're
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Speaker 2: not going ahead either.
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Speaker 11: Exactly, Caleb. And the thing is it is a little
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Speaker 11: bit rich. I mean, Andrew Twiggy Forest is a businessman.
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Speaker 11: He was saying how wonderful green hydrogen is. Of course,
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Speaker 11: the Trump administration has changed direction from the Biden administration.
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Speaker 2: They've worked out.
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Speaker 11: That they're going to allow coal, oil, gas, fossil fuels
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Speaker 11: to flow so that Americans can get access to cheap,
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Speaker 11: reliable power, whereas we see in Australia we keep being
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Speaker 11: promised all these green hydrogen and renewable schemes, and our
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Speaker 11: power bills keep going up, and there are pensions without
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Speaker 11: heating etc. The interesting thing is, though, that you know
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Speaker 11: the primary source of income for Andrew Forest is for
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Speaker 11: toeskew iron or. He does a lot of exports. He's
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Speaker 11: a billionaire. But the thing is, and I don't know.
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Speaker 11: I don't know whether you know either. I'm sure you
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Speaker 11: do though, but he received about sixty million dollars, as
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Speaker 11: you said, in both state and federal grants for the
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Speaker 11: project in Gladstone. Now he's pulled out of it. What
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Speaker 11: happens to that money? Does he have a legal responsibility
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Speaker 11: to pay it back?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: He said that.
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Speaker 11: I think they're going to do about two hundred and
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Speaker 11: twenty seven million dollars in pre tax right downs. But
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Speaker 11: what actually happens when somebody gets all those subsidies, because
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Speaker 11: as you say, it is actually taxpayers money, and for
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Speaker 11: a billionaire it's sort of chump change, isn't it. The
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Speaker 11: other thing also is you mentioned about the green hydrogen
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Speaker 11: Will it be the fun on Al and the Coffin.
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Speaker 11: I certainly hope so, because you've got you know, you
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Speaker 11: had Trefigura. I think that's how you said it was
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Speaker 11: a seven hundred and fifty million dollar project in Port
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Speaker 11: Pirie for green hydrogen that's now gone. You've had Woodside
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Speaker 11: pull out of their green hydrogen projects in Oakland Homer
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Speaker 11: in the last twenty four hours. And you've also got
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Speaker 11: Origin Energy, the four hundred and thirty two million dollar
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Speaker 11: project that you know, taxpayer funded project that Chris Bowen
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Speaker 11: gave last October. Origins pulled out of the Hunter Value Valley.
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Speaker 11: That's more than a million a billion dollars worth into
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Speaker 11: green hydrogen. It actually doesn't work. The Industrial Revolution happened
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Speaker 11: for a reason and we've got to just stop with
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Speaker 11: this folly because it's actually making Australians a.
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Speaker 2: Lot worse off. It's just become stupid. And while we're
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Speaker 2: on these matters, Daniel, the International Court of Justice, so
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Speaker 2: the world's highest court, has now paved the way overnight
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Speaker 2: for countries to in effect be sued for not doing
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Speaker 2: enough to address climate change. Failing to take enough action
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Speaker 2: could lead to and I quote here, full reparations to
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Speaker 2: injured states in the form of restitution, compensation and satisfaction.
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Speaker 2: So I guess the question now, Daniel, is I mean,
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Speaker 2: how can this be enforced? Is it possible that we
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Speaker 2: could have countries saying, you know, Australia owses a billion
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Speaker 2: dollars or whatever it is for climate change? Do we
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Speaker 2: just tell them to get nicked or are we forced
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Speaker 2: to pay this money.
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Speaker 1: We tell them to get nick? K labs a short answer.
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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, international law doesn't really exist in
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Speaker 13: the sense that we live in a world of sovereign
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Speaker 13: nation states, so you know, we can decide what we
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Speaker 13: do in our own backyard. But what I find so
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Speaker 13: fascinating about this is, you know, it's got no credibility whatsoever.
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Speaker 13: I mean, seriously, does anybody think that this ruling is
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Speaker 13: going to be enforced upon China or India or the
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Speaker 13: United States, which is no longer a party to the
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Speaker 13: Paris Climate Agreement.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it's not going to be enforced on those states.
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Speaker 13: And you know, the other point I'd make is this
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Speaker 13: legal action was brought up by Vanuatu, or at least
19:47
Speaker 13: the political leaders of Vanuatu. Now, if you look at Vanuatu,
19:51
Speaker 13: it's one hundred and forty fifth on the Human Development Index. Right,
19:54
Speaker 13: so it's got a lot more problems than whether Australia
19:57
Speaker 13: is burning coal or not. And I just feel sorry
20:00
Speaker 13: for the people of Vetuwatu. They've got their political leaders
20:03
Speaker 13: galivantic around the world saying that the Western world are
20:06
Speaker 13: full of bad people that are causing sea levels to rise.
20:09
Speaker 13: They should be doing more in their own backyard to
20:11
Speaker 13: fix up the problems that are there. So you know,
20:13
Speaker 13: once again, I think this shreds the credibility of the
20:16
Speaker 13: United Nations and the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats that enjoy the
20:20
Speaker 13: free ride that's associated with that organization.
20:23
Speaker 2: Here, Daniel Caroly, thank you for joining me tonight. Now
20:26
Speaker 2: I want to return to Twiggy Forest. Apart from conning
20:29
Speaker 2: all his green hydrogen projects, he's now praised alban Easy
20:33
Speaker 2: for showing the world that it shouldn't be suspicious of China.
20:36
Speaker 2: And this is of course coming as a result of
20:38
Speaker 2: the PM six day junket, of which Twiggy was an
20:40
Speaker 2: attend Now, I'm sure none of this has to do
20:44
Speaker 2: with Twiggy's business interests in the nearly eighty billion dollars
20:47
Speaker 2: in iron ore that China bars off Australia and Scott Morrison,
20:51
Speaker 2: who was, of course PM when China hit us with
20:53
Speaker 2: those trade bands during COVID, has hit back at Twiggy
20:56
Speaker 2: for his comments and his criticisms of his government. So
20:59
Speaker 2: to discover this, I'm joined now by founder and Director
21:02
Speaker 2: of Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schubridge. Good to speak with you, Michael,
21:06
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you make of these comments from
21:08
Speaker 2: Andrew Forrest? They are tainted surely with a little bit
21:11
Speaker 2: of self interest.
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Speaker 14: Well, Caleb, I'm really glad he put them in writing
21:17
Speaker 14: because we can see how he behaves and what he thinks.
21:21
Speaker 14: My reaction to mister Forrest telling us we need to
21:25
Speaker 14: love Beijing and they're our friends. We shouldn't be suspicious
21:28
Speaker 14: of them. That's old fashioned nonsense. My reaction was, well,
21:32
Speaker 14: he would say that, wouldn't he, because his company is
21:36
Speaker 14: hostage to the China market for iron ore and he
21:41
Speaker 14: needs to stay in the good graces of decision makers
21:44
Speaker 14: in Beijing. The problem is if anyone takes him seriously
21:48
Speaker 14: and doesn't realize the kind of government we have in Beijing.
21:52
Speaker 14: It's a highly repressive police state and defat's smart traveler
21:58
Speaker 14: advice for China says exercise as extreme caution do any
22:01
Speaker 14: Australian visiting there, because you have the risk of arbitrary
22:06
Speaker 14: detention and arrest.
22:08
Speaker 2: This is the problem though, with having your biggest trading
22:11
Speaker 2: partner also be your biggest potential military adversary. Because we
22:16
Speaker 2: understand where Twigger is coming from. He wants to make money,
22:20
Speaker 2: go for your life, that's his business. But when we
22:23
Speaker 2: have to walk both sides of the aisle as we
22:26
Speaker 2: are now, the danger is, and I think Albinizi has
22:30
Speaker 2: walked into this trap, is that you become too obsequious
22:34
Speaker 2: to China and once you do that, well they can
22:37
Speaker 2: basically do whatever the hell they want.
22:41
Speaker 14: Well, yes, in Beijing hasn't changed because of this newfound
22:45
Speaker 14: love that our Prime Minister has discovered for Beijing and
22:49
Speaker 14: his tour of China. There's still as ruthless and repressive
22:54
Speaker 14: and relentless as they were before. I think mister Forrest
22:58
Speaker 14: knows this, but his his comments will be very welcome
23:01
Speaker 14: in Beijing, and I'm sure China's ambassador here will be
23:05
Speaker 14: inviting him to all kinds of functions.
23:08
Speaker 2: Well, I hope he enjoys the wine now I'd love
23:10
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on this meeting between Newcastle's Lord
23:13
Speaker 2: Mayor and the Consul General of China. The Daily Telegraph
23:17
Speaker 2: reported today that the Consul Wang You grilled the Mayor
23:21
Speaker 2: ross carriage for orcus information during a private meeting, including
23:26
Speaker 2: whether the nuclear submarines would be docked in Newcastle. Now
23:29
Speaker 2: I suppose it's not shocking that he might ask these questions.
23:33
Speaker 2: Of course China would want to know that. But it
23:36
Speaker 2: must be ringing alarm bells for the government that you've
23:38
Speaker 2: got Chinese diplomats over here, you know, going through the
23:42
Speaker 2: back door to a council to try and gather as
23:44
Speaker 2: much intel as possible.
23:47
Speaker 14: I wonder if we should call these people diplomats or
23:51
Speaker 14: just Chinese Communist Party officials.
23:54
Speaker 2: Good point.
23:54
Speaker 14: He turned up and monstered the Newcastle Mayor and said
23:59
Speaker 14: you you can't have any dealings with Taiwanese people. You
24:03
Speaker 14: can't have any dealings with Tibetans. By the way, is
24:06
Speaker 14: Australia going to put its submarine base in Newcastle? He's
24:10
Speaker 14: on an intelligence mission and busily threatening and intimidating a
24:15
Speaker 14: mayor and this is all happening while mister Alberanize is
24:18
Speaker 14: in Beijing telling us how everything's fantastic. So there's a
24:22
Speaker 14: jarring contradiction here in the behavior we see from Chinese
24:26
Speaker 14: government officials and this trust and respect we're told we
24:31
Speaker 14: can have for them.
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Speaker 2: It's a good point, Michael Schubridge, great to see you,
24:34
Speaker 2: as always, will speak again soon after the break. The
24:37
Speaker 2: local mayor who's had enough of her regional town bearing
24:40
Speaker 2: the brunt of the zero agenda, plus the staggering reliance
24:43
Speaker 2: we now have on government expenditship, and the question is
24:47
Speaker 2: who will have the guts to say enough is enough
24:50
Speaker 2: that after this Now I want to pick up on
24:55
Speaker 2: a story Peter has been covering this week, which is
24:58
Speaker 2: a massive win project in rural New South Wales. You
25:01
Speaker 2: would have seen on Monday night Peter spoke with Emma Webb.
25:04
Speaker 2: She's a farmer just outside of Yas, which is near
25:07
Speaker 2: the Act, and she's one of many in the area
25:10
Speaker 2: who are raising the alarm about this massive wind farm
25:14
Speaker 2: that would have ninety wind turbines put in their area,
25:17
Speaker 2: each one roughly the same size as a Sydney skyscraper.
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Speaker 15: We are collateral damage farmers, and that's the fact where
25:27
Speaker 15: our community like so many others, is being exploited by
25:31
Speaker 15: multinational billion dollar corporations, and none of it is about
25:36
Speaker 15: saving the world or clean energy.
25:38
Speaker 16: It's about making money.
25:41
Speaker 2: The local farmers are rightly worried that it'll change the
25:44
Speaker 2: area and kill their property values, which of course is
25:46
Speaker 2: okay if you're giving over your land to turn it
25:49
Speaker 2: into a wind farm, because you'll be handsomely compensated. But
25:53
Speaker 2: everyone else has to sit by and just hope for
25:55
Speaker 2: the best, and they aren't going to take it laying down.
25:59
Speaker 2: The Yasmade Jasmind Jones has worn the nation's food bowl
26:03
Speaker 2: is at risk of going to a word I can't
26:05
Speaker 2: say on TV at this hour, but I think you
26:07
Speaker 2: can work it out. It starts with an S and
26:09
Speaker 2: ends with a T. And I'm pleased to say that
26:11
Speaker 2: me and Jasmine Jones joins me now, Jasmine welcome. You're
26:15
Speaker 2: obviously fired up about this, as is the rest of
26:17
Speaker 2: the community.
26:19
Speaker 17: Our hearts are breaking over this regional Australia deserves to
26:24
Speaker 17: be treated with respect, and we've done our heavy lifting.
26:28
Speaker 16: We already have six state significant projects.
26:31
Speaker 17: Within Yas Valley and that's not even including what's coming
26:34
Speaker 17: over the horizon at us. We talk about these ninety
26:37
Speaker 17: turbines that are being proposed by Win Prospect, but that's
26:41
Speaker 17: the tip of the iceberg. We're talking about a turbine
26:43
Speaker 17: tsunami hitting regional Australia. Just Yas Valley alone. We're looking
26:48
Speaker 17: at another five hundred turbine projects that want to get
26:52
Speaker 17: a Guernsey in our region and we're not even a
26:55
Speaker 17: red zone. So we really need the whole country to
26:59
Speaker 17: wake ups the coffee and say is it worth it?
27:02
Speaker 17: The pendulum needs to swing on Net zero. We need
27:06
Speaker 17: our metro mates support because we've done some pretty serious
27:09
Speaker 17: heavy lifting on this already.
27:10
Speaker 2: We saw footage this week from the town meeting that
27:14
Speaker 2: you had last week. James Willis from the Daily Telegraph
27:16
Speaker 2: for a guest on this show every week, was there
27:19
Speaker 2: and it was very clear from what we saw there
27:22
Speaker 2: that the community is angry. You feel like, as mayor,
27:25
Speaker 2: the community feels like you're not being listened to by
27:29
Speaker 2: people in the city. You're not being listened to by
27:31
Speaker 2: the proponents of this project or the state government. Why
27:35
Speaker 2: do you think there is this feeling that, well, you
27:37
Speaker 2: should just be able to cop it, you know us
27:40
Speaker 2: in the city. I'm in Sydney. Right now we need
27:42
Speaker 2: our power. You should be able to copy it.
27:45
Speaker 17: It's time to turn off the PS five and take
27:48
Speaker 17: a walk in the afternoon and actually think about what
27:51
Speaker 17: you enjoy about your area, and then put the shoe
27:54
Speaker 17: on the other foot and figure out what we actually enjoy.
27:56
Speaker 17: We do a lot of heavy lifting already in our community.
27:59
Speaker 17: We've got drought. The farmers are at mental breaking point
28:03
Speaker 17: over this project. It's dividing our community and we're helping
28:08
Speaker 17: keep the lights on already, but it's now time to see, well,
28:11
Speaker 17: what do we actually value about the regions?
28:14
Speaker 16: What do we value about our food bowl?
28:16
Speaker 17: These turbines are shedding microplastics, and now farmers have to
28:20
Speaker 17: tick a box whether to say they're beef and their
28:25
Speaker 17: lamb is actually raised in an area that has turbines.
28:28
Speaker 16: So we've got to decide.
28:30
Speaker 17: What we want for our regions and the people who
28:32
Speaker 17: live and work here deserve the same kind of respect
28:35
Speaker 17: that's afforded metro areas too.
28:37
Speaker 2: I sit on here the other night that the neighboring
28:40
Speaker 2: properties perhaps need to set up platforms and charge people
28:43
Speaker 2: to come and watch all the birds that are going
28:45
Speaker 2: to get chopped up by these wind turbines because that's
28:47
Speaker 2: the only way you're going to make money out of it.
28:49
Speaker 2: And going back to the previous point, it's this idea
28:52
Speaker 2: that people in the city feel like they know better
28:55
Speaker 2: and you should be able to just deal with it.
28:58
Speaker 2: Do they not realize that this is land that is
29:02
Speaker 2: productive land. It produces, as you say, the food that
29:05
Speaker 2: we need to eat in this country, the population's not shrinking,
29:09
Speaker 2: and yet they want to take over productive land to
29:12
Speaker 2: turn it into wind farms.
29:14
Speaker 16: And it's not only that this is nune a world country.
29:17
Speaker 17: And I've got to face our local custodians and say
29:20
Speaker 17: their totem animal, their wedgetail eagle could be on the
29:24
Speaker 17: getting chopped to pieces out there in these paddocks.
29:28
Speaker 16: Plus our farmers, we need cohesion because.
29:31
Speaker 17: They're the ones that are going to go and fires
29:33
Speaker 17: in the Rule Bush Fire Brigade. We can't have a
29:35
Speaker 17: situation where one landowner who hosts ninety of these turbines
29:40
Speaker 17: and is making millions has to go and work next
29:42
Speaker 17: door to their neighbor who has to put up with
29:44
Speaker 17: that view and the sound and the noise and the
29:47
Speaker 17: chemical pollution of it, and expect them to work together.
29:52
Speaker 17: It's dividing our communities, and these slick business people that
29:55
Speaker 17: come in representing foreign companies are destroying our regions. We've
30:00
Speaker 17: actually got an amazing not for profit organization in our
30:04
Speaker 17: area called Remount, and they're right next to this proposal.
30:07
Speaker 17: They help veterans with PTSD get back on their feet
30:10
Speaker 17: by connecting them with country that's going to get shot
30:14
Speaker 17: to hell with this.
30:15
Speaker 16: We also have the space sector in.
30:17
Speaker 17: Yas Valley that relies on dark skies and low electromagnetic
30:21
Speaker 17: interference that's going to get shot. So we've got a
30:23
Speaker 17: lot at stake here. It's not just about agriculture. It's
30:26
Speaker 17: about a lot of sectors that rely on great dark
30:31
Speaker 17: skies at.
30:31
Speaker 16: Night, clean clean clean air during.
30:35
Speaker 17: The day, for the paddocks, for the animals, and for
30:39
Speaker 17: our community to actually want to live here and produce
30:41
Speaker 17: our metro mates food and fiber, and also our world
30:47
Speaker 17: renowned cool climate wine.
30:49
Speaker 2: Jasmine Jones, good luck, keep fighting the good fight. Thank
30:52
Speaker 2: you for joining me tonight.
30:53
Speaker 16: We well, thank you now.
30:55
Speaker 2: I talked at the top of the show about Labour's
30:57
Speaker 2: super text. You know, just about how much spin has
31:00
Speaker 2: blown out per head of population, and there's been plenty
31:03
Speaker 2: of talk about tax reform in the lead up to
31:05
Speaker 2: Labour's Economic Reform round Table which is next month, but
31:09
Speaker 2: my next guest has warned it must also address the
31:12
Speaker 2: nation's entitlement mindset, which has been fostered, of course by governments.
31:16
Speaker 2: And it comes after the Center for Independent Studies found
31:19
Speaker 2: that more than half of people in Australia are now
31:23
Speaker 2: relying on the government for the majority of their income.
31:26
Speaker 2: Well joining me now as senior fellow at the Center
31:29
Speaker 2: for Independent Studies, Robert Carling, Robert, welcome. A government expenditure
31:34
Speaker 2: has surged over the past twelve years. You've warned that
31:37
Speaker 2: will have higher taxes if spending isn't wound back. The
31:41
Speaker 2: only problem seems to be that no one on either
31:45
Speaker 2: side of the political aisle now wants to talk about
31:48
Speaker 2: cutting spending. It's almost like the trillion dollars of debt
31:52
Speaker 2: that we're now hurtling towards isn't even a thing.
31:58
Speaker 12: That's right.
32:01
Speaker 18: I've crunched the numbers and the size of government in
32:05
Speaker 18: Australia at all levels has increased quite sharply, particularly since
32:12
Speaker 18: before the pandemic.
32:14
Speaker 12: But it's not just because of the pandemic. It's because
32:20
Speaker 12: of other things which this slide that you've put up
32:24
Speaker 12: shows very nicely.
32:28
Speaker 18: Led of course by the NDIS, but other things like
32:33
Speaker 18: age care, childcare, schools, public hospitals, and various other aspects
32:40
Speaker 18: of health defense.
32:43
Speaker 12: As you see there. So all of these things have.
32:46
Speaker 18: Been responsible for this sharp increase in government spending at
32:53
Speaker 18: all levels, but particularly at the level of the federal government.
32:58
Speaker 18: And this is what is driving up the tax burden
33:03
Speaker 18: to a record level already. And I would hope to
33:09
Speaker 18: see recognition of this in the Economic round Table next month.
33:13
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what exactly do we expect to come
33:15
Speaker 2: out of this Economic round table? You know, there's so
33:18
Speaker 2: many times we've had things like this, you know, I'm
33:21
Speaker 2: remembering Kevin Rudd, you know, got together some of the brightest,
33:25
Speaker 2: well allegedly brightest Barnes in Australia to come up with
33:28
Speaker 2: ideas for reform and how to throw the country forward.
33:32
Speaker 2: I'm not terribly confident that we're going to come out
33:35
Speaker 2: of this Economic round Table with genuine tax reform or
33:39
Speaker 2: genuine plans to get the budget under control.
33:43
Speaker 18: Well no, I'm not very confident about it either, But
33:47
Speaker 18: I wouldn't expect a detailed blueprint to come out of it,
33:50
Speaker 18: but I would hope at least for some agreement on
33:53
Speaker 18: high level principles. The easiest one is that weak activity
34:00
Speaker 18: growth is one of the nation's biggest problems economic problems,
34:07
Speaker 18: and that government policy should be focused.
34:11
Speaker 12: On doing what it can to stimulate productivity growth. And
34:21
Speaker 12: also going beyond that.
34:23
Speaker 18: That, there are a lot of things that could be
34:26
Speaker 18: done in the arena of regulation, in red tape, redesign
34:33
Speaker 18: and reduction to stimulate productivity growth. And when it comes
34:39
Speaker 18: to taxation, yes, tax reform can help productivity growth, but
34:46
Speaker 18: not if it's just becomes a revenue raising exercise. And
34:51
Speaker 18: this is what I fear that this is what the
34:54
Speaker 18: government wants to come out of it, some green light
34:59
Speaker 18: for tax increases of various kinds.
35:02
Speaker 2: I mean, that's basically what the Treasurer has said today
35:04
Speaker 2: about the super tax, and it's the objective is to
35:07
Speaker 2: get more money because they don't have enough to balance
35:09
Speaker 2: the budget. And you know, when you've got a situation
35:12
Speaker 2: where half of the country is reliant on the government
35:14
Speaker 2: for the majority of their income, we are in serious trouble. Robert,
35:18
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me tonight. Now, just
35:20
Speaker 2: before the break, I have to play in exchange here
35:22
Speaker 2: and Gilbert had today with Barnaby Joyce. But first, this
35:26
Speaker 2: is what Dan Tean said that set Barnaby off.
35:30
Speaker 3: When two steers are fighting in the neighbors paddock, let them,
35:33
Speaker 3: let them fight, you let the owner know and they'll
35:36
Speaker 3: sort all that out.
35:38
Speaker 2: Now you can always rely on Barnaby for a bit
35:40
Speaker 2: of entertainment. And he took issue with this metaphor.
35:44
Speaker 3: But people say they're from the country, get it right.
35:46
Speaker 3: Steers don't fight. We carstraate them, so they don't. Right,
35:50
Speaker 3: Steers have their testicles removed, And they said, happily in
35:53
Speaker 3: the paddock and eat grass, getting as fat as possible
35:56
Speaker 3: so I can jam a minor truck and get paid money.
35:59
Speaker 3: Bulls woh, bull fight right, and you know you stay
36:05
Speaker 3: away from the bulls.
36:07
Speaker 2: Ah. God, I love it so much. And I think
36:10
Speaker 2: we can be pretty certain that Barnaby Joyce is one
36:13
Speaker 2: man who hasn't had his political testicles removed. After the break,
36:17
Speaker 2: even more failures in working with children checks exposed, Plus
36:21
Speaker 2: a bit later on just how bad could the Epstein
36:23
Speaker 2: files get for Trump? As reports emerged that his name
36:26
Speaker 2: is mentioned don't.
36:27
Speaker 7: Go away.
36:31
Speaker 2: Well. More disturbing news today related to the childcare sector,
36:35
Speaker 2: an online screening company has identified more than five hundred
36:39
Speaker 2: people with suspended or invalid working with Children permits who
36:43
Speaker 2: may be still working in the sector undertective. This is
36:46
Speaker 2: according to The Herald's son. The majority of the five
36:49
Speaker 2: hundred and ten red flags that have been picked up
36:51
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one were in Victoria. So joining me
36:55
Speaker 2: now to discuss this is Victorian Shadow Education Minister Jess Wilson. Jess,
37:00
Speaker 2: you know there's so much that we have heard over
37:03
Speaker 2: the last few weeks that has been worrying. Every day
37:07
Speaker 2: there is another one of these stories and you just
37:09
Speaker 2: have to ask the question, why has it taken so
37:12
Speaker 2: long for this stuff to be picked up?
37:16
Speaker 19: Well, good to be with you, Caleb, and this is
37:19
Speaker 19: exactly right. We have a broken system here in Victoria
37:22
Speaker 19: and it is failing to keep children safe. And I
37:25
Speaker 19: think the biggest problem that we have seen is that
37:28
Speaker 19: the Allen Labour government was warned about this in twenty
37:31
Speaker 19: twenty two by the Ombusman. The ombosmen made recommendations to
37:35
Speaker 19: the Labor government to fix the Working with Children's check
37:38
Speaker 19: system to make sure that those loopholes were closed, and
37:42
Speaker 19: they failed to act, and what we continue to see
37:45
Speaker 19: is failure after failure, putting children at risk. And that's
37:48
Speaker 19: why we've called on the government since this situation broke
37:51
Speaker 19: a few weeks ago, to urgently recall the parliament and
37:55
Speaker 19: to immediately implement reforms that would fix the system, that
37:58
Speaker 19: would plug those loopholes. But time and time again, the
38:01
Speaker 19: government is refusing to do so, the Premier choosing instead
38:05
Speaker 19: to put in place another review, a review that's looking
38:08
Speaker 19: at previous reviews, that's not taking action to keep children
38:11
Speaker 19: safe today.
38:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean that's the typical refuge. We'll have
38:14
Speaker 2: a review of a review of a review of a review.
38:16
Speaker 2: It doesn't change anything. But you've announced today a plan
38:20
Speaker 2: of things that you could do immediately, which includes fixing
38:24
Speaker 2: the Working with Children check, giving parents access to safety data,
38:29
Speaker 2: raising the bar on workforce standards, creating an independent watchdog,
38:33
Speaker 2: banning personal phones in childcare centers, and linking federal funds
38:39
Speaker 2: to safety. I mean it seems like common sense.
38:41
Speaker 16: Staff, that's right.
38:45
Speaker 19: These are immediate reforms that we could take tomorrow to
38:48
Speaker 19: make the system safer and to ensure that when kids
38:51
Speaker 19: are dropped off at childcare, parents can have trust that
38:54
Speaker 19: the system is going to keep them safe. Our plan
38:57
Speaker 19: safe from the start is designed to fix the broken
39:00
Speaker 19: system and to help build that trust that has been
39:03
Speaker 19: shattered in the system. And we look at right across
39:06
Speaker 19: the board, as you said, working with Children's Check Reform,
39:09
Speaker 19: we know what needs to be done now. We want
39:11
Speaker 19: to put in place a register of all childcare workers.
39:14
Speaker 19: At the moment, only teachers are required to be registered.
39:17
Speaker 19: And what we know is that we need to know
39:18
Speaker 19: where workers are moving around, where educators are moving around,
39:22
Speaker 19: because that can be a red flag.
39:24
Speaker 2: We want to put in.
39:24
Speaker 19: Place a watchdog that actually has teeth, that can take
39:28
Speaker 19: enforcement action, that can investigate. At the moment, it's a
39:31
Speaker 19: tiny part of the Department of Education that reports to
39:34
Speaker 19: a Deputy secretary, no transparency, no accountability. It's time we
39:38
Speaker 19: had an independent watchdog that parents can make complaints to,
39:42
Speaker 19: that centers can make complaints to, and there are proper
39:44
Speaker 19: investigations in oversight. We want to look at how do
39:47
Speaker 19: we make sure that we can put CCTV appropriately in
39:51
Speaker 19: these centers. The police tell us it's absolutely essential in
39:54
Speaker 19: terms of a deterrent, but also should the worst happen,
39:57
Speaker 19: being able to follow up and find that evidence and
40:00
Speaker 19: finally we want to work with the Commonwealth. We want
40:02
Speaker 19: to say taxpayer money should not be going to centers
40:06
Speaker 19: that are not meeting quality and safety standards. That's unacceptable.
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Speaker 19: We're ready to work with the Allen Labor government tomorrow.
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Speaker 19: We want to be constructive because the safety of our
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Speaker 19: children is our absolute priority and I.
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Speaker 2: Think they owe it to the many good workers in
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Speaker 2: these childcare centers to do this stuff too, because as
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Speaker 2: the Federal Education Minister Jason Clear was talking about last
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Speaker 2: night on the ABC, I think it was you know,
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Speaker 2: there are so many childcare workers walking around now worried
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Speaker 2: about how they are perceived and their profession and what
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Speaker 2: is going on in their profession because nothing is being done.
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Speaker 2: It's owed to the kids, it's owed to the workers,
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Speaker 2: it's owed to parents. It should be done now, Jess,
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Speaker 2: thank you for joining me. After the break, the plot
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Speaker 2: thickens is the US House Subcommittee votes to subpoena the
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Speaker 2: so called Epstein files. Don't go away. Interesting polls just
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Speaker 2: dropped on the Sydney Moore Herald showing that the min's
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Speaker 2: government in New South Wales Labor government is inched ahead
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Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party. The last poll was thirty three
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Speaker 2: percent for labor to the coalition's thirty six percent. Mens
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Speaker 2: is back up thirty eight to thirty two on primary.
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Speaker 2: It's more to come on that, I'm sure. Meanwhile, a
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Speaker 2: US House subcommittee is voted to subpoena the Department for
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Speaker 2: Justice for files related to Jeffrey Epstein. And this comes
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Speaker 2: as the House Committee on Oversight also subpoena at Epstein's associate,
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Speaker 2: Gallaine Maxwell to sit for a deposition. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: to discuss this and more. Scar and News contributed Kosher
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Speaker 2: Gada and past chair of Parliament's Foreign Affairs Defense Committee,
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby. As always on a Thursday, Welcome to you both, Michael.
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Speaker 2: This issue is not going away. Trump has botched terribly
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Speaker 2: saying we've got the files, we're going to release the files.
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Speaker 2: Then we're not going to release the files because they're fake.
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Speaker 2: And then I don't know why anyone would be interested
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Speaker 2: in the files because they're boring. This is just starting.
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Speaker 20: You're right, Caleb, but this is madness is loose in
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Speaker 20: the United States.
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Speaker 12: When Donald J.
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Speaker 20: Trump is part of the deep state conspiracy, then unfortunately
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Speaker 20: it's not a serious evaluation of American policy or issues
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Speaker 20: that are being undertaken, but it's nonetheless reality, and I'm
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Speaker 20: afraid that this is going to distort the policy debate
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Speaker 20: and the political alternatives in the United States for a while. Indeed,
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Speaker 20: the Democrats seem to be making hay about the non
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Speaker 20: release of the Epstein files, as if that is the
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Speaker 20: major issue that they should be campaigning on, and as
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Speaker 20: if some of their people will not be implicated.
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Speaker 2: Well, precisely, and as if they didn't have access to
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Speaker 2: it while Biden and Obama were present and they didn't
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Speaker 2: do anything about it. I wonder why. I mean, my
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Speaker 2: theory on it is that you'll never see anything, because
42:55
Speaker 2: to release it would be mutually assured distruction. The Dems
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Speaker 2: knew that if they released anything, would have gamed names
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Speaker 2: on it, so they couldn't do it as much as
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Speaker 2: they might have liked to do it to implicate Republicans,
43:05
Speaker 2: and the Republicans aren't going to do it because He's
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Speaker 2: got Republican names on it as well, and Kosher. According
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Speaker 2: to The Wall Street Journal, Trump was informed that his
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Speaker 2: name appeared multiple times in the Epstein files back in May.
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Speaker 21: Yes, this whole thing is a mess, and it's making
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Speaker 21: strange alliances and adversaries, you know, as you just recounted
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Speaker 21: of people who are joining forces or pushing buttons that
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Speaker 21: they normally wouldn't have pushed for this particular report. What
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Speaker 21: is important to remember is this word client list has
43:36
Speaker 21: really kind of taken on a life of its own,
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Speaker 21: and often different things are conflated, either deliberately or not,
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Speaker 21: such as he was a very well connected person, Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 21: He had something like twelve hundred and sixty seven names
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Speaker 21: in his contact book. They could be anybody from the
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Speaker 21: president of MIT, to clients from Barclays when he was
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Speaker 21: a banker there, to who knows what. And then there
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Speaker 21: are these people on the so called client list who
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Speaker 21: allegedly went to the island and did improper things at
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Speaker 21: best with the underage girls. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 21: gap between those two things, and the question is there
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Speaker 21: could be all sorts of names on there that are
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Speaker 21: the former and not the latter.
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Speaker 2: If we don't know that.
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Speaker 21: I personally doubt that Trump is on the negative part
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Speaker 21: of it, because if that were true, Joe Biden and
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Speaker 21: Mary Garland would have released that in a hot minute.
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Speaker 21: If there was something that damning about him. However, the
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Speaker 21: other piece is also interesting here is there is an
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Speaker 21: active lawsuit that Trump has filed for ten billion dollars
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Speaker 21: against the Wall Street Journal. Who knows where that lands,
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Speaker 21: But in the context of that, it's interesting to me
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Speaker 21: that they released this because it would suggest they probably
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Speaker 21: are confident in that reporting to some level, and that
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Speaker 21: they think it'll withstand scrutiny during the discovery process. So
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Speaker 21: from a legal perspective, that's another layer to keep an eye.
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Speaker 2: On, indeed, and it'll be most interesting to see what,
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Speaker 2: if anything they can get out of Gilaine Maxwell, because
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Speaker 2: she is essentially the last keeper of the information here,
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Speaker 2: and we know what happened to Jeffrey Epstein. So I'd
44:55
Speaker 2: be keeping an eye on these.
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Speaker 1: Tyler.
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Speaker 20: One second, I don't think any of the p who
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Speaker 20: are absorbing this material from Tucker, Carl Zone to others
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Speaker 20: will be satisfied. They're the same people that believed a
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Speaker 20: pedophile sex ring existed in a pizza shop and that
45:12
Speaker 20: they were coordinating measures against the previous Trump administration. Nothing
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Speaker 20: will satisfy these people. This is you know, Salem Which
45:20
Speaker 20: trial stuff. It's madness, and it's going to distort serious
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Speaker 20: public debate on serious issues.
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Speaker 2: And this is the problem with over promising and under delivering,
45:29
Speaker 2: because you look stupid no matter which way it plays out.
45:33
Speaker 2: Basically sticking in the US, Michael Columbia University has agreed
45:37
Speaker 2: to pay more than three hundred million dollars over three
45:41
Speaker 2: years to settle its fight with the Trump administration. And
45:44
Speaker 2: this comes, of course after the UNI was accused of
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Speaker 2: violating anti discrimination laws when it came to the handling
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Speaker 2: of those massive pro Palestinian protests on campus and the
45:53
Speaker 2: impact on Jewish students. It's a serious sum of money.
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Speaker 20: This is a problem that existed all around the world.
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Speaker 21: This is what.
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Speaker 20: The liberal parliamentarian Julian les to Be insisted be examined
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Speaker 20: by a judicial.
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Speaker 1: Overview, but was knocked back.
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Speaker 20: It's what the anti Semitism envoy to Albow has recommended
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Speaker 20: in her.
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Speaker 1: Report and it won't of course be done.
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Speaker 20: Instead, the sanctions that will be applied we hinted at
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Speaker 20: by an Ali, the minister in the Elbow government tonight
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Speaker 20: that they're going to take further sanctions against Israel based
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Speaker 20: on this media hysteria. The drum beat from the ABC
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Speaker 20: every night becoming more and more crazed, and there are
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Speaker 20: nine hundred trucks waiting to go into Ta Gaza, to
46:45
Speaker 20: go into the North via the old UN system. The
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Speaker 20: UN doesn't pick them up, and so therefore the Israelis
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Speaker 20: are to blame for starvation and Australia is going to
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Speaker 20: impose more sanctions on our democratic ally in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Well, we might come back to that if we get time.
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Speaker 2: But the former Prime Minister Scott Morrison, he's been speaking
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Speaker 2: before a US Congressional Committee hearing on the Chinese Communist Party.
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Speaker 2: He's been addressing China's economic coercion during his time as leader.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 22: There are many lessons from our experience. Above all, I
47:17
Speaker 22: would highlight the need to never become casual about the
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Speaker 22: potential threat.
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Speaker 12: And to remain vigilant.
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Speaker 22: And in the same way that the CCP seeks to
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Speaker 22: target our alliances and partnerships, these same relationships must form
47:30
Speaker 22: the core of our shared response.
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Speaker 2: And interesting, interestingly, sorry, one of the leading Democrat contenders
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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty eight presidential election ram a manual.
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Speaker 2: He's praised Australia's response to China's economic coercion during the hearing.
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Speaker 23: Australia is the best kind of blueprint of what you
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Speaker 23: want to replicate worldwide. They did it on their own.
47:53
Speaker 23: The Prime Minister is much greater at this and not knowledgeable,
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Speaker 23: but basically use their existing trade religions that are persisting
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Speaker 23: alone and put them on steroids and really operating. China
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Speaker 23: realized they couldn't isolate Australia, which is why I call
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Speaker 23: you want to isolate the isolator.
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Speaker 2: It's very different culture, of course to what we're hearing
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Speaker 2: from our current Prime minister.
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Speaker 21: Yes, this is true and a quick refresher for everybody.
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Speaker 21: Roum Emmanuel, of course, was President Obama's chief of staff,
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Speaker 21: former Mayor of Chicago, former ambassador to Japan, very smart
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Speaker 21: political talent and he knows of what he speaks, especially
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Speaker 21: in this region given his previous role. And the point
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Speaker 21: he's making, of course is when China retaliated with very
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Speaker 21: course of tariffs on Australia back during the COVID lab
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Speaker 21: leak theory that we were pushing to investigate, Australia was
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Speaker 21: able to rejigger its economy and find other markets and survive.
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Speaker 21: And that is an interesting blueprint and I think a
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Speaker 21: good case study. It is important to note that not
48:52
Speaker 21: all countries are created equal. So Australia has a very
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Speaker 21: particular type of leverage, very resource rich country, has a
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Speaker 21: lot of goods that China needs, the world needs other countries,
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Speaker 21: and they were able to flex that muscle, whereas others
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Speaker 21: like Norway just one example, China has applied similar course
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Speaker 21: of tactics to them and they quite quickly gave into concessions.
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Speaker 21: So not everybody has what Australia does, but it is
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Speaker 21: an interesting blueprint for the world.
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Speaker 1: To take noteive.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and you know, for all the faults of the
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Speaker 2: Morrison government, and there were many, I think this is
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Speaker 2: one thing that history will look upon him kindly for.
49:27
Speaker 2: I think we did essentially what no one else was
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Speaker 2: willing to do at that time, which was to question
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Speaker 2: China about what was going on with COVID. And I
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Speaker 2: know it cost us money, but we did the right
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Speaker 2: thing and Morrison and his government can always be proud
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Speaker 2: of that. Michael Kosher, thank you for joining me and
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Speaker 2: thank you for your company. To night up. Next, of course,
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Speaker 2: my compadre from the late James McPherson with the Bolt Report.
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Speaker 2: Good night