Latest / Everyday Ancestral with James Barry / Do Viruses Exist? Dr. Mark Bailey & Autumn McLees Challenge Modern Medicine's Biggest Assumptions

Transcript

Do Viruses Exist? Dr. Mark Bailey & Autumn McLees Challenge Modern Medicine's Biggest Assumptions · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

0:00
They have speculation.
0:01
They have hypotheses going on.
0:03
The virus model was invented before
0:07
anything was found in nature.
0:09
The viral narrative, the germ narrative, is keeping people from
0:13
actually getting curious about what's going on with their health.
0:16
Don't outsource your health.
0:18
You're the best physician for yourself.
0:20
As a chef of 20 plus years, I've always been about taste,
0:22
but it was becoming a father that made me really start to think about function because I want my
0:27
kids to thrive and I want to be around long enough to witness it.
0:31
And it was when my daughter became
0:32
ill, my wife and I, we struggled to get the right nutrients in her.
0:36
It was a true wake-up call.
0:37
That experience is why Pluck was created.
0:40
So Pluck is a superfood seasoning made with 100%
0:43
grass-fed beef, organ meats, blended with organic spices and herbs.
0:47
The beautiful thing is it doesn't
0:48
taste like organ meats.
0:49
It just tastes like the seasoning you're already using, but better.
0:53
Because when you add it, you're adding these bioavailable nutrients that your body can actually use.
1:00
If you can salt it, you can pluck it.
1:02
Learn more at eatpluck.com and save 15% off your first order using code EA15.
1:11
Joining me are Dr. Mark Bailey, who publicly challenged core scientific assumptions behind the pandemic response.
1:19
and Autumn McLeese, who has been vocal about the human, legal, and family-level consequences of how that response played out.
1:27
I'm going to go right into the question for you, Dr. Bailey.
1:31
I want to start with, when we look back at 2020, what do you think most people still misunderstand about what happened scientifically?
1:42
Basically, they had a couple of narratives that were permitted.
1:46
one was that this virus this coronavirus came out of nature or somehow got into the local wet market
1:55
and started spreading amongst people and of course the other story the big secret which everybody
2:01
knows about which is completely ridiculous and which was being put forward from as early as
2:07
january 2020 if you look back at the records was that this was a bioweapon that somebody was doing
2:15
gain-of-function work, that there was nefarious actors operating in the background, and somehow
2:22
they created a weapon and a lab that either intentionally or accidentally spread out into
2:29
the population and went around the world.
2:32
And then, of course, the story was that the race was
2:34
on to create a vaccine for this new disease.
2:39
Because people didn't really go along with it,
2:41
they had to introduce various legal measures, or you might say illegal, looking back at them.
2:47
But
2:48
people were forced to wear face masks.
2:51
They were forced to be in isolation.
2:54
Whole countries were
2:55
locked down, widespread economic ruin in most countries around the world.
3:01
And of course, by
3:02
late 2020, early 2021, they had their so-called vaccine available.
3:09
And that was rolled out to
3:10
the world.
3:11
And apparently, according to the official narrative, that saved a whole lot of
3:15
people.
3:16
Now, that is the story, I guess, people who have followed the mainstream media would
3:23
believe, or anyone looking up a source such as Wikipedia might find believable.
3:30
But to those of
3:31
us who actually looked at the science and studied exactly what was going on, that was not the story.
3:38
When I heard you speak at Wise Traditions, you spoke about that viruses don't actually exist.
3:45
Did I understand that correctly?
3:47
Yeah, you did.
3:47
I could word it slightly differently to be accurate.
3:52
And what we claim, along with other virology critics, is that there's no scientific evidence for viruses.
4:02
They remain a hypothesis, as they did in the late 1800s.
4:08
And how I explain it to people is that the virus model was invented, hypothesized, before anything was found in nature of the sort.
4:22
So this is quite different than the study of bacteria or fungal cells, because those things were found in nature first.
4:33
So scientists went out, they took samples from humans, animals, plants, the soil, etc.,
4:42
put them under the microscope, and they found microbes, such as bacteria and fungal cells.
4:49
That did not happen with viruses, and has not happened to this very moment we're hearing now.
4:55
It has never happened.
4:57
Nobody has gone out, taken a blood sample or a soil sample or an air sample and found anything that would meet the definition of a virus.
5:09
And coming back to 2020, that is what the event, the COVID event, is what woke up us and then millions of people to the absolute fraud of this virus model.
5:23
Because the first thing that happened in 2020, my wife, Sam, had a YouTube channel that she had just started.
5:30
And people flooded her with questions about the so-called situation coming out of Wuhan.
5:37
and Sam asked me to look at the papers, the scientific papers that were available
5:42
and the documents from the WHO.
5:46
And within a few weeks of studying them, I came back to Sam and I said,
5:51
they don't have evidence.
5:52
They have speculation.
5:54
They have hypotheses going on.
5:57
They don't have anything, any paper, scientific paper,
6:02
that says that they have a virus.
6:03
For us, that was the start of looking into virology because then we found out that this is not only to do with the COVID situation, but this is HIV, chickenpox, measles, hepatitis, because all of these so-called viruses had the same problem when we looked up the evidence.
6:24
There was no evidence that was the problem.
6:28
They remain hypotheses.
6:31
and if you actually adhere to the scientific method,
6:35
the only reasonable conclusion is that there is no evidence
6:38
for the existence of any of them.
6:40
I mean, as you probably have already experienced over these last years,
6:44
but even in this moment, it's just so hard to wrap my brain around
6:49
because my whole life I've been told there's viruses.
6:53
But I think this is a good point for you to come in on them
6:55
Because this information that Dr. Mark wrote about and explored actually directly later involved you.
7:06
Yeah, so I was mysteriously diagnosed with this obscure diagnosis of hepatitis C about four and a half years ago.
7:15
It was already a very out of left field diagnosis.
7:21
Imagine this, James.
7:23
Let's say you were labeled with a disease that is mostly associated for druggies,
7:31
but yet you've never done a drug in your life.
7:34
You've never even been drunk before, and you live a clean lifestyle.
7:40
This was my situation.
7:42
So it very much came with this curiosity of like, how in the world did I get this?
7:50
mind you i was still believing the virus narrative at the time and with this diagnosis just like many
7:58
viruses out there that people get labeled with there can be a lot of doom and gloom and hopelessness
8:04
this has a death sentence if you don't take their eighty thousand dollar medication they say it
8:11
destroys your liver but yet there was so many inconsistencies that i kept finding when i would
8:18
research.
8:19
You know, things like your liver could be completely fine and you would still be labeled
8:25
with this virus.
8:27
Or maybe your liver wasn't fine and there was something going on and the test
8:31
picked up on something.
8:32
There's so much to delve into, but thankfully I crossed paths with Dr. Mark
8:38
and Sam Bailey.
8:40
I read Dr. Sam Bailey, which is Mark's wife, her Virus Mania book.
8:45
I invited her
8:46
and Dr. Mark on the podcast, which I have a podcast, thanks to this diagnosis actually.
8:53
And I started to learn and actually research and see for myself, there is no isolated virus
9:00
for hepatitis C. I could have accepted that and said, okay, like I'm likely going to die unless
9:08
I take your medication.
9:10
Medications are not always a hundred percent.
9:12
The medication comes with a
9:13
risk of death.
9:15
So I look like I'm pretty doomed no matter which way you look at this, right?
9:20
And so thankfully I came upon their work and realized the reality of my circumstances that
9:27
while yes, in my case, there does seem to be something going on with my liver and that takes
9:33
stewardship on my part, getting curious, looking at where I need to change my life, but there is
9:39
no floating virus in my blood.
9:42
That is freeing and that is something that many people need to
9:45
hear.
9:46
They need to understand the truth behind the viral narrative.
9:50
And is it specifically the
9:51
viral narrative or is it diagnosi in general?
9:55
Autumn's story is just, this is common, of course,
9:58
and this has happened to hundreds of millions of people around the world, not necessarily with
10:04
hepatitis C in quotes, but also with all of these other entities, these so-called virus diseases or
10:11
viral diseases.
10:12
Now, this is what I thought when I was trained as a doctor, and this is what Autumn
10:18
thought when in 2021, she had a whole lot of tests done and they came back and they said,
10:23
we've found hepatitis C. Both from a doctor's perspective and from the patient's perspective,
10:30
we thought that they meant that they'd found a virus inside autumn.
10:35
And then when we actually looked at pivotal papers,
10:38
we found out that this was not the case at all.
10:40
And there's a perfectly good explanation as to why the tests are positive,
10:45
but there is no virus.
10:47
The tests that they're using, and this is the same for COVID-19 as well,
10:54
these are what we call molecular detection tests.
10:58
So people are familiar with these now because the PCR has become world famous and the rapid antigen tests or lateral flow tests, as they're known in some places, have become world famous.
11:11
And antibodies as well, we'd include those because they're very important for the mainstream diagnosis of hepatitis.
11:19
So they don't find any virus.
11:21
So when they took Autumn's blood, they didn't put it under the microscope and tell her,
11:26
oh my goodness, we've found viruses everywhere.
11:28
What they did was they did antibody tests.
11:31
Now these are just tests, we call them in vitro, so they're outside of the body.
11:36
They do them in a lab.
11:38
And you're just looking for proteins, various types of proteins, or more specifically,
11:43
proteins that react with one another in a test tube, and they put markers on them.
11:49
And the other thing they look at is PCR.
11:52
So as everybody will know, after the COVID era, this is just a way of magnifying genetic material to make it detectable in the test.
12:02
So this is how they're making these diagnoses.
12:05
They're going around taking samples from people, doing PCR, doing antibodies, doing protein detection tests.
12:15
and then they're telling the person this is the diagnosis that you've got.
12:18
Now, the problem with it is that those tests were all made
12:23
without the presence of a virus at all.
12:26
So you don't need the virus.
12:28
All you need is proteins and genetic sequences,
12:31
which you find everywhere.
12:33
We're not saying that you might do a test on autumn
12:36
and then you might do one on you, James,
12:38
and then you might do one on me.
12:41
And they may show different levels of these proteins
12:44
or different levels of these genetic markers,
12:48
whether it's RNA or DNA.
12:51
But that has nothing to do with viruses.
12:53
That's just a biological event that happens.
12:58
We produce different amounts of proteins
13:00
and different amounts of genetic sequences at different times.
13:04
And they always have to set these tests at a cutoff.
13:07
As a doctor, when I was in the system,
13:09
we weren't given the history, let's just say that,
13:11
of how these tests were developed.
13:13
So when I used to get an antibody test back, like for hepatitis C, I thought it was yes or no, that either it showed that there were these hepatitis virus proteins or there weren't.
13:26
Once I started studying this stuff, I realized that these things were just set at a level, at a concentration, and that we all had these proteins.
13:35
And this wasn't just with hepatitis.
13:36
This is for things like HIV, Epstein-Barr, all of these so-called viruses.
13:42
these tests are just set at some artificial level which suits the diagnostic paradigm that the
13:50
mainstream system works from because people will say to us well but how did the test turn positive
13:55
you know and we just say you don't need a virus for the test to be positive or negative you just
14:01
need an artificial cutoff point and you also need the pseudoscience where there are certain
14:08
proteins and genetic sequences which they say come from viruses but have never ever been shown to do
14:15
so and of course yeah people will understand this from the covid19 era where when we look back at
14:22
the statistics the most common symptom or sign for someone who tested positive with one of those
14:31
covid tests was nothing that they had nothing so millions of people around the world were doing
14:37
these tests, they were turning up positive and the person wasn't sick in any way.
14:41
And of course,
14:43
then we get all these caveats that they have to introduce.
14:45
It's just one excuse after the other.
14:47
So they say, well, that's asymptomatic.
14:49
In the case of someone like Autumn, this is really
14:51
important because they say to her, you've got hepatitis C, this is a deadly virus,
14:57
it may end up killing you and you need to be on expensive medications for quite a while.
15:04
It's absolutely preposterous because the way that this works is that it's like a marketing funnel, if you like, because it pulls everybody into a diagnosis.
15:14
And with each diagnosis comes a treatment protocol.
15:18
So for Autumn, it involves incredibly expensive medications, you know, tens of thousands of dollars worth of medications.
15:25
And if they, quote, work, they will tell her, oh, look, we helped get rid of this virus.
15:32
Now, there's so many problems with this when we look at the research.
15:35
One is that most people like Autumn just spontaneously, quote, clear the virus, or a lot do anyway,
15:43
which means that their tests just revert back to negative.
15:46
But the other thing that happens is that the drugs can affect the antibody and RNA or PCR
15:54
results.
15:55
So if someone like Autumn got put on these drugs, they will call them antiviral drugs.
16:01
That's not what they are.
16:03
They are anti-metabolite drugs.
16:06
So they just interfere with normal processes in the body.
16:10
So if any of us took them, they wouldn't act on an invisible virus.
16:14
They'd actually just interfere with the very function of our cells and result in suppression of the production of some of these proteins and genetic sequences.
16:24
so then they tell you oh look we fixed it because we did the test again and now the antibody is not
16:30
positive or now we can't detect the RNA at these levels so and yeah I think it's really important
16:37
for people to think but why is this going on on such a big scale for decades and decades now it
16:43
comes down to money it comes down to the control that the medical system gets for the person that
16:49
experiences illness and is told that it's a virus, what is it that we're actually experiencing?
16:59
Absolutely.
17:00
It's a case-by-case consideration.
17:03
And in this situation we had with COVID-19 in 2020
17:08
was that there was no new illness.
17:10
And I know that some people might claim there is, but if you look
17:13
at the official definition on the WHO website, and this was used in virtually every country in
17:22
the world, the official definition of a confirmed COVID case was based on one of these tests that
17:29
we've just talked about.
17:30
So PCR or rapid antigen tests, you did not have to have any specific
17:36
symptoms or signs.
17:37
This was also known about by June 2020 because the Cochrane collaboration put
17:44
together all of the papers that were suitable for the so-called COVID-19 diagnosis.
17:50
And they said
17:50
that there was no specific symptoms or signs, none at all.
17:54
And it's similar to what happened
17:56
to Autumn.
17:57
She didn't have to have certain symptoms or signs.
18:00
She just had to have a positive
18:01
of hep C test or tests, and that's it.
18:05
And then they say that's the diagnosis.
18:07
And then from there, that's how they direct their treatment
18:10
or tell you what your prognosis might be.
18:13
So Autumn, when you got this test,
18:15
were you going in because you had symptoms
18:17
or just this was a routine test?
18:20
No, just a routine, you know, regular labs
18:23
that you get once a year.
18:24
Liver enzymes came up high.
18:26
They further looked into it.
18:28
Bingo.
18:29
For Autumn, one, her liver enzymes were, it wasn't like they were off the charts or anything.
18:35
They just showed that there was above normal range markers.
18:42
And you have to be very careful here because, say, 20 years ago, I was a professional athlete and I was doing a lot of endurance training.
18:51
and my liver enzymes would sometimes be elevated particularly the AST which is one of the so-called
18:58
liver enzymes the problem is that enzyme is present elsewhere in the body so it's in the muscles so
19:03
there are other reasons why these tests can appear abnormal even though there's nothing else going on
19:11
so yeah in the case of for Autumn it was that she was just investigating other health things
19:17
and she thought, which we've told her now is not a good idea,
19:22
is to have some blood screening tests
19:25
because people think, I used to think this too
19:27
when I was a doctor working in the system,
19:30
that when you're kind of scratching your head
19:33
about whether there are things you could do to improve your health,
19:36
that you go to the lab and have a whole battery of tests done
19:39
and that they'll show you whether you're healthy or not.
19:42
And I didn't understand back then
19:44
that it's a very dangerous paradigm to go into because the medical system if it runs enough
19:50
tests on you it will find what they call abnormal tests it will lead to interventions and other
19:57
investigations and they're not what people think they are and so these days i really tell people
20:02
to steer clear of these investigations because they can literally end in a death sentence and
20:10
I think, you know, for someone like Autumn, who's otherwise really healthy, if she'd have gone on
20:14
to these medications they were suggesting, she could have gotten incredibly sick and she could
20:19
have even ended up dead.
20:21
But it would not have been put down to the treatment.
20:23
It would have
20:24
been put down to, oh, well, we looked at her records.
20:27
She had hepatitis C and that's a very
20:29
dangerous virus.
20:30
So the treatments were often not blamed.
20:33
And instead, they'd just blame a virus
20:37
and say, oh, well, there was nothing we could do.
20:40
How would you explain, though, what people experience?
20:43
Because, I mean, I can just speak for myself.
20:46
When I got what, you know, was labeled COVID,
20:50
it felt different from anything I had previously experienced.
20:54
If I can say, because Dr. Mark, you'll have lots to say on this as well,
20:58
but I would highly suggest to go get the book for you and your listeners,
21:02
Can You Catch a Cold?
21:03
by Daniel Reuters.
21:05
He goes into all the aspects of contagion.
21:09
You should really have him on the podcast.
21:11
There was a lot of programming that took place during COVID.
21:14
There's so much behind the belief of when we believe something that things can actually manifest.
21:21
Is what you're suggesting that the programming that I was verbally being told that I had heard in different ways, consciously, unconsciously, was that it was different, so thus I programmed it in my own being as different?
21:33
Is that what you're suggesting?
21:35
Yeah, let's just say that there's something called a nocebo effect where he talks about how people that had cancer, half of them were getting chemo, half of them were actually just getting saline water.
21:46
Due to their belief of what they know, that chemo causes these certain side effects, the people that were just getting saline IVs actually had their hair falling out.
21:59
and they had the symptoms that one would get if they were getting chemo.
22:04
We don't know what was going on during COVID.
22:06
I don't think anybody can truly say,
22:08
but we do know that there is an aspect to the power of the mind
22:13
when it comes to contagion.
22:14
And then there's a million other reasons why we get sick, you know,
22:16
food, water, emotional health.
22:18
I mean, so many toxins out there lurking in our food, in our skies possibly,
22:23
you know, so I'll pass it over to Dr. Bailey now,
22:25
but I just wanted to share that.
22:26
In my lifetime, I've never seen an event that invokes so much fear in the population.
22:33
And even people that knew something was wrong were still in a state of terror because they were worried about what the government was going to do to them.
22:42
And that was very common in New Zealand where we had rules that would change day to day.
22:48
And people were trying to get ready to leave the country because they didn't know what was going to happen next.
22:54
And when you get this kind of situation going on, people are far more suggestible to anything.
23:02
These days, contagion is supposed to mean a germ that's spreading around the population.
23:07
But all of the scientific studies go against that.
23:12
And they always have.
23:13
And what I didn't know as a doctor and what shocked me at the, you know, around January 2020 was when I started looking into these human contagion studies and found out that they had failed and not only failed once or twice, but dozens of times.
23:31
They even had a common cold unit in England that operated for 40 years.
23:36
You never hear about this stuff because of the massive failure of that unit to succeed in transmission of even common cold.
23:45
But if you go back and look at their research, it does give you a lot of information.
23:49
And this is what Daniel did with Can You Catch a Cold?
23:52
He looked at a lot of those papers and realized that the power of suggestion was huge.
23:57
so people's expectations of what would happen
24:01
if they were brought into contact with sick people, etc.
24:04
That was really important.
24:06
Again, we don't claim to know every mechanism that goes on.
24:09
What we do is look at the science and say,
24:13
the hypothesis or the narrative that you've been told
24:17
and has been promulgated by the medical industry is incorrect.
24:21
These are not the mechanisms.
24:23
Say we're talking about someone sneezes in your face.
24:26
we're not saying there's nothing in that sneeze
24:29
because we've found that there are prostaglandins
24:31
and histamines and stuff
24:33
so they may actually cause you to have some sort of reaction
24:36
your body may sense it
24:38
but we're saying that there's no viruses in there
24:40
that is definitely not the mechanism
24:43
and when you do get bouts of illness
24:46
for us that is just the body's appropriate reaction
24:50
to detoxification
24:52
so the body has a situation
24:55
where it needs to get rid of something.
24:57
And we have these eliminatory mechanisms,
25:00
and they can feel unpleasant.
25:02
You know, coughing, sneezing, lethargy, vomiting, diarrhea,
25:08
all these things are just the body's ways of trying to heal itself.
25:13
But the medical system looks at it in a backwards way
25:17
and says that, no, these are germs attacking us,
25:20
and therefore we need antibiotics and antivirals
25:24
and vaccines.
25:25
And people will say to us, but why do they keep espousing this narrative?
25:32
Medico Pharma plus the associated industries around it are simply the biggest.
25:36
They have
25:37
become that way and they're incredibly powerful.
25:39
We saw that in 2020, able to shut down the entire
25:43
world based on the so-called expert opinions coming out of the Medico Pharma system.
25:49
And these
25:50
are just ways for corporations to do business.
25:53
So if we look at the way it's set up, everything's
25:57
always funneling towards pharmaceuticals and vaccines.
26:01
Autumn's case is great because hepatitis,
26:05
they are constantly looking at ways to monetize it.
26:09
They're not looking at ways to help people.
26:11
For instance, we have hepatitis A and B, which now come with vaccines.
26:18
And they tell everyone
26:19
that you should have these vaccines.
26:21
They, you know, they're giving them to kids now.
26:23
And then with hepatitis C, last time I checked,
26:26
there were 100 pharmaceuticals in development.
26:31
Everyone's scrambling to get the latest blockbuster
26:34
because, you know, these medications are incredibly expensive
26:38
and huge money spinners.
26:39
As of 2020, I think, they were talking about a hepatitis C vaccine as well.
26:45
So you can see we have one condition like hepatitis.
26:49
It is a multi-billion dollar condition for the industry.
26:53
And that's just one condition.
26:54
You know, we look at COVID-19, single biggest product in the Medico farmers history.
27:02
So Pfizer made, you know, something like 80 or 100 billion US from one product.
27:09
I mean, if people can't see what the incentives for that model are, you know, it comes down
27:15
to huge amounts of money, huge amounts of power.
27:19
huge amounts of control over the population in this false paradigm.
27:24
My problem with this is that the viral narrative, the germ narrative, is keeping people
27:32
from actually getting curious about what's going on with their health, what needs to be changed in
27:37
their lifestyle.
27:39
And we get to just blame it on the virus or the germ instead of being good stewards
27:46
of our health, being mindful of what kind of water we're drinking and our emotional
27:51
health and so much of this.
27:54
It takes the responsibility off of us and it allows us to just take a pill to shut up
28:01
the symptoms and to carry on in our merry way.
28:05
And unfortunately, my belief is that the people that are taking the medications, they're
28:11
getting sicker and sicker.
28:13
Therefore, they depend upon allopathic medicine even more.
28:16
Therefore, these situations are taking place in their body, which then they test for different things.
28:21
Now different proteins are coming up.
28:23
Now they're testing positive for other things.
28:26
When in reality, what I've learned is that the bodies, when it expresses symptoms, we actually really need to be grateful for that.
28:34
Symptoms are not the enemy.
28:36
They're actually God's beautiful design in the body trying to up and overcome something.
28:43
And so instead of silencing it with a medication, we really need to get curious and look at what's going on.
28:51
What do we need to change and how can we be a better steward of our health?
28:55
Well, you're definitely speaking the everyday ancestral narrative.
28:58
I mean, this is what we talk a lot on this podcast about.
29:01
I think it's important to kind of encapsulate this conversation so that it's not misunderstood,
29:07
is that you're not saying that health episodes don't exist,
29:11
that people can have influxes of health situations that occur.
29:17
You're merely saying that the proof that it's a virus and the label of that
29:23
and then the healthcare system's reaction and solution to it are fabricated.
29:31
Yeah, absolutely.
29:32
I think Autumn's introduced something really important here.
29:36
And this is the reason that my wife, Sam, and I actually quit allopathic medicine completely was because, as Autumn says, it's about suppressing symptoms.
29:48
And symptoms are not disease in the sense that they don't give you a diagnostic label or they shouldn't.
29:54
They are just nature's remedy for correcting a situation.
29:59
And it's actually really dangerous to suppress those reactions.
30:03
And an example would be fever.
30:06
You know when you have a young child and they become febrile and they really, they look so miserable and you think, well, I could just give them some Tylenol and within an hour the fever will settle and they'll be feeling much better.
30:20
You're not doing them a favor because the reason they're febrile is because their body is trying to eliminate something.
30:27
There's a situation that has gone on where they've been poisoned, whether it's by a medication
30:33
or something that they've accidentally ingested in their diet or their water source, or they
30:39
may have just had a buildup in their system for other reasons, like they've been under
30:44
a lot of stress and that can cause hormonal changes in the body, which can lead to parts
30:50
of the tissue becoming devitalized and the body just has to have a clean out.
30:54
So we get to the fever and the body is saying, this is a healing crisis.
30:59
I need to get well.
31:00
And the way I'm going to do it is through raising my body temperature and getting rid
31:05
of these toxins.
31:06
But mom and dad come along and they give a medication which suppresses that fever and
31:12
the body doesn't complete its healing.
31:15
And then two weeks later, there's another fever and they do the same, give the Tylenol.
31:19
Child seems to get better.
31:21
And they think, well, that was great.
31:23
child's much happier.
31:25
The problem with that is now you've set up an even worse situation for the
31:30
future because the body's now in a worse state than it would have been in and it cannot complete
31:35
its healing process.
31:36
And this is the problem with virtually all of allopathic medicine is that it
31:41
just suppresses the symptoms.
31:43
It doesn't encourage the body to complete the healing process.
31:47
Autumn's
31:47
example would have been great.
31:49
If she had taken these so-called antiviral medications,
31:53
she's taking something that just interferes with the normal function of her liver it suppresses
31:59
the normal function so again whatever her liver was doing when it was going through a healing
32:05
process it would have been suppressed it wouldn't have completed it's cleaned out and then sometime
32:11
in the future you know it might be 15 years later autumn gets really sick and goes in and they do a
32:18
scan and they say, oh, it looks like you've got cancer in your liver.
32:22
And they say, well,
32:24
it was because 15, 20 years ago, we see that you had hepatitis C virus and that's why you've got
32:29
cancer.
32:30
No, the danger was that she wasn't able to allow her body to heal because the allopathic
32:37
system was simply suppressing things.
32:40
And in this case, it was suppressing a laboratory result,
32:45
which is just as silly as suppressing bodily symptoms.
32:49
People, though, still are looking to ground into something.
32:52
They're still looking to trust in something.
32:55
And whether they should be or not, their doctor, historically,
33:00
is the person they typically feel that they can trust.
33:02
But in many ways, you're saying, well, but the system that the doctors are part of
33:07
is not trustworthy.
33:08
Where do we look for grounding?
33:10
whether it's inside ourselves or what people should we be looking outside of ourselves for
33:16
that grounding and for answers in what you're even admitting is like, well, we don't necessarily know
33:21
what it is, but it's not this.
33:23
I think the most important thing for people to keep in mind
33:27
is to not outsource your health.
33:29
You're the best physician for yourself.
33:31
And this is the other scam
33:34
that the system runs is that they tell you don't do your own research or don't search for anything
33:40
online or they'll even actively do gaslighting where they'll say that oh yeah there's these
33:47
people that dispute viruses or the germ theory are spreading misinformation or you know they'll
33:54
make up some story it's really important for people the doctor that you see they don't know
34:00
that you know the reason they're in the system is because they've been you know misinformed and
34:06
I was once in there as well and I was in that system and it took a few years before I realized
34:13
you know when I started to wake up to it that it was not the place to find health so if people can
34:19
keep in mind it's a medical system not a health system it's a medical system and that they really
34:27
need to work on doing things for themselves and James really it comes down to it's just those
34:32
little decisions that people make every day.
34:35
It's what we eat, what we drink, the relationships we're
34:40
in, our spiritual connections, how clean our environments are, all of these factors, which,
34:48
you know, you don't have to do that much deep research to work out the other things that
34:53
contribute to our overall health.
34:56
Yeah.
34:56
And I would suggest looking up Dr. Sam Bailey's videos.
34:59
She covers a lot of information on viruses, the science that is hidden in plain sight.
35:05
You know, when I realized that they're actually, they take my blood, they're actually not looking
35:09
for a virus.
35:09
They're just creating a toxic soup.
35:12
You know, it really brings to light what's taking place in these illnesses and what's
35:18
taking place behind the scenes, which anyone can go look up and read.
35:21
So definitely check out that information if anyone is struggling with particularly a viral
35:27
situation.
35:27
But I also think we need to be good stewards of our own health.
35:30
We need to get familiar with the water we're drinking, the food we're eating, etc.
35:34
Because these can be reasons why our health has been derailed.
35:39
And so many people don't want to do the work.
35:41
And so unfortunately, passing it off to the pharmaceutical industry, which is not 100%,
35:46
and the drug companies, they're there to make money for their investors.
35:52
They're not there to look out for our health.
35:55
so to put all of your faith and all of your eggs in the basket of allopathic medicine in my opinion
36:01
is not a winning scenario for your health at all it comes back to taking ownership and sometimes
36:07
that's hard to do but i want to encourage those of you listening that it is so worth it it's not
36:11
hard we've got podcasts like yours here today that we're on that you're educating on how people
36:17
can be healthier and what they can do and we're here sharing this mission that's what it's about
36:23
And I know that you and your wife, Dr. Mark, have been persecuted.
36:27
I mean, you've been, you've been, your lives have been threatened.
36:31
I mean, your life has completely been affected by your views.
36:38
And but but I think it's so important in what we've been sharing today and what you've shared is that you were a part of the system.
36:46
Like, it's not like you're just some quackers like, well, I'm just going to come out with these users like, no, no, you you were following the system and then realize this system wasn't working or that it was broken or that it wasn't consistent or the science didn't make sense.
37:00
Like this system, in a sense, co-created you, the new you, I'm saying, you know what I mean?
37:06
because of the contrast of what you saw.
37:10
To me, that is the most credibility anyone can have.
37:15
Yeah, exactly, James.
37:16
And that's why they've particularly gone after my wife, Sam, so hard
37:21
because she was not only a doctor like me in the system,
37:24
and we both worked in clinical trials as well,
37:27
testing pharmaceuticals once upon a time.
37:30
And she was also a network TV presenter here in New Zealand.
37:35
and one of the favorites, you know.
37:37
So, yes, for us to say, well, hang on, yes, we've been trained in conventional medicine
37:44
and we once made a living out of it to then completely get out of it,
37:48
it's a huge threat to them.
37:50
But for us, you know, the motivation has been our health and the health of our family.
37:56
And that has just gone ahead in leaps and bounds.
38:00
Going into 2020, we thought we had a pretty healthy family
38:03
and now it's gone to exceptionally high levels.
38:06
And people say, well, what's the secret?
38:08
And we say, we have nothing to do with the medical system.
38:12
Our children don't go to see doctors and people say, well, you're a doctor.
38:15
Well, I used to be and not anymore.
38:16
But our three children, none of them go to the doctor.
38:20
None of them have ever, you know, had antibiotics.
38:23
They don't have vaccines.
38:25
All of those things, you know, that we do now have just brought so many benefits to our family.
38:31
And now we're sharing that with the rest of the world.
38:34
So yeah, it's not a narrative that the mainstream system wants to hear.
38:38
It's a real problem for them.
38:40
Please share how everyone can kind of dig deeper into these topics, how they can search
38:46
your content.
38:48
Yeah, so the best place to go is drsambailey.com.
38:53
And that's our website where we have hundreds and hundreds of free resources.
38:58
There's a search bar so people can look up all of the topics
39:02
where we've covered around a thousand topics related to health.
39:06
Everything from really straightforward presentations,
39:08
Sam will do a 15-minute presentation on a topic,
39:12
through to technical essays that we've written,
39:15
up to 28,000 words if people want really deep dives into the science.
39:20
Yeah, you can find me at autumn.mccleese on Instagram,
39:24
autumnmccleese.com.
39:26
Also, Know Better, Do Better podcast where you can hear more of Dr. Bailey and I, actually both Dr. Sam and Dr. Mark.
39:34
We've had some great conversations and I keep tabs there occasionally with this journey that I'm on in promoting and educating this whole narrative of helping people wake up to what is true.
39:45
Excellent.
39:46
And my last question that I ask everyone on this podcast, if you could wave a magic wand and bring back one ancestral practice, what would it be and why?
39:56
Look, James, I think for me it would have to be our food supplies because they've been so meddled with and people just don't understand that a lot of the foods we eat now, whether it's apples or the flour that you buy at the supermarket, has been so depleted.
40:13
And of course, it's nothing to do with trying to help us.
40:18
It's to do with satisfying industry.
40:22
Big food is as bad as big pharma.
40:24
So yeah, for me, it would be bringing back all of those heritage crops and not processing food to the extent that we do, bringing back the old school practices, traditional preserving and curing, etc.
40:38
We do that on a small scale on our 10 acres with our crops.
40:42
And in the last year, we've been sent heritage crops as well, which we've started to grow.
40:48
So, and so for me, that would be it, would be, yeah, bringing back those old school heritage
40:56
crops and practices.
40:58
I can't disagree with that.
40:59
I would say I agree as well.
41:02
Our health, so much of it starts with what we eat.
41:05
So absolutely.
41:06
Wonderful.
41:07
Well, thank you both for joining us on Everyday Ancestral.
41:10
And thank you all for participating as well.
41:13
I think this was absolutely an episode that embodied curiosity.
41:17
Autumn mentioned it many times.
41:18
It is so key that we maintain that curiosity,
41:22
even as we're thrown new narratives or old narratives.
41:27
Always be curious.
41:28
Thank you all for joining.
41:30
Thank you so much for joining me on Everyday Ancestral.
41:34
If you enjoyed this episode,
41:35
hit subscribe so you don't miss the next one.
41:38
You can find the show notes, links,
41:40
and resources mentioned at eatpluck.com.
41:43
That's E-A-T-P-L-U-C-K dot com.
41:49
And hey, if you know someone who'd get something out of this, share it with them too.
41:55
Stay curious, live well, and keep it ancestral.