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The Silent Harvest - Dr Torston Trey Forced Organ Harvesting · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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Speaker 2: Over the last four or five years, with my growing
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Speaker 2: advocacy on different subjects here on the program, whether it's politics, societal,
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Speaker 2: or cultural issues, there are just some subjects that I'll
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Speaker 2: bring up that seem to get that look, that deer-in-the-headlight look.
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Speaker 2: It seems that many people just want to bury their
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Speaker 2: heads in the sand. Let me give you a quick
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Speaker 2: example of a few of those. Human trafficking. I've done
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Speaker 2: programs on that. And some think that's just made up.
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Speaker 2: Sex trafficking is another one. Child sex trafficking. All of
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Speaker 2: those seem to bring that same response. A glazy look
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Speaker 2: in somebody's eyes. Is it because they don't believe it?
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Speaker 2: I think it's something different. I believe it's just too
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Speaker 2: much for most people to consider. Life is easier when
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Speaker 2: we just don't have to think about the bad things
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Speaker 2: in this world. Forced organ abuse. Harvesting. That's another one.
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Speaker 2: And that one got your attention. It's almost far-fetched. Doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem like it could be reality. But I'm here to
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Speaker 2: tell you it's real. I'm Booker and this is The
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Speaker 2: Truth Be Told. Tonight we discuss the business of harvesting
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Speaker 2: organs from live unsuspecting people for profit. Estimated to be
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Speaker 2: $ 800 million to $ 1. 2 billion industry worldwide, It's a real problem.
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Speaker 2: We can't afford to bury our collective heads in the
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Speaker 2: sand and ignore the atrocities. Dr. Torsten Trey, M.D., Ph.D.,
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Speaker 2: has been nominated for Nobel Peace Prizes, received major human
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Speaker 2: rights awards. He is currently the executive director of Doctors
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Speaker 2: Against Forced Organ Harvesting. They're based in Washington, D.C., and
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Speaker 2: I think their name tells you all you need to
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Speaker 2: know about what they do. He also co-edited the landmark book,
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Speaker 2: State Organs, Transplant Abuse in China. And his most recent
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Speaker 2: work is the documentary, Silent Harvest. That recently had a
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Speaker 2: viewing by lawmakers in Washington, D.C. And he is also
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Speaker 2: an international speaker. He has briefed policymakers, medical professionals, and
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Speaker 2: human rights forums all over the world. Tonight, he's going
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Speaker 2: to brief us. Welcome to the program, Dr. Torsten Trey.
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Speaker 2: And Dr. Trey, thank you for being here.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Booker, for having me. It's so important, and
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Speaker 3: I'm very thankful for that. It's so important that we
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Speaker 3: have these platforms like yours where we can talk and
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Speaker 3: share the information that we have.
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Speaker 2: I think this is one of those subjects that people
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Speaker 2: want to bury their head in the sand. I think
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Speaker 2: when you think about harvesting organs from a live human being,
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Speaker 2: it's just something that people don't want to deal with.
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Speaker 2: And this is what you do. You advocate to bring
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Speaker 2: attention to this. Talk about it. Talk about where this
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Speaker 2: is done, how it's done. I mentioned that it's $ 800
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Speaker 2: million to $ 1. 2 billion. We know that China is involved
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Speaker 2: with this. But explain what this is so the listeners
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Speaker 2: will have an idea of what you are dealing with
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Speaker 2: on a daily basis.
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Speaker 3: Yes. Usually, people are familiar with the term organ trafficking,
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Speaker 3: where especially kidneys are traded from people who want to
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Speaker 3: make money and they undergo a contract and sell the
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Speaker 3: kidney for money. But what we found is in 2006
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Speaker 3: is that in China, prisoners are intentionally categorized as organ
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Speaker 3: donors and then killed on demand. And this has grown
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Speaker 3: to become a business, an industry. So it's not only
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Speaker 3: they are killing people without consent, but they are targeting
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Speaker 3: certain people, dissidents or.
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Speaker 2: Prisoners of conscience. How do they target them? I'm sorry
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Speaker 2: to interrupt you, but how do they target them? Is
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Speaker 2: it because they're vocal and are against government? So they're
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Speaker 2: just one of those that would be targeted to take
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Speaker 2: their organs while they are alive?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is not the typical criminals who are
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Speaker 3: convicted in a court that become subject to forced organ harvesting.
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Speaker 3: It is People, for example, the Falun Gong movement that
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Speaker 3: practices a spiritual practice with following truthfulness, compassion, forbearance, and
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Speaker 3: is doing Qigong-like exercises, they have become target for the
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Speaker 3: CCP since 1999. And the government, the CCP government, wanted
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Speaker 3: to eradicate, erase, And instead of using a firing squad,
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Speaker 3: which would cause tremendous outcry in the world, they are
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Speaker 3: just doing it in a stealth, I would say stealth manner,
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Speaker 3: by bringing them to the operating rooms and then killing
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Speaker 3: them on the operating table, taking the organs out and
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Speaker 3: using them for transplant. So it is a very targeted
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Speaker 3: method where, for example, since 1999, the Falun Gong practitioners
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Speaker 3: were targeted. And then later in 2018, maybe around 2018,
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Speaker 3: the Uyghurs were also being targeted. And we are now
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Speaker 3: actually very concerned that with a Christian population of maybe
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Speaker 3: 50 million in China, that this practice can next target
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Speaker 3: Christians in China as a way to eradicate and erase them.
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Speaker 2: Is this only happening in China or are there other
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Speaker 2: places in the world where this happens?
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Speaker 3: Well, this would not happen in a country with a
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Speaker 3: rule of law. But there's organized crime and there might
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Speaker 3: be cases where single individuals are also subject to forced
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Speaker 3: organ harvesting. But I would say those numbers are very
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Speaker 3: limited because think of this. If you have a transplant
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Speaker 3: recipient there is a whole machinery to identify the recipient,
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Speaker 3: the donor. So if you do it on a large scale,
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Speaker 3: then the investigators and police could also basically find out
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Speaker 3: which organized crime is involved. But if you have a
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Speaker 3: whole society, as you have in China, a whole society
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Speaker 3: that is following the instructions the rules from the CCP,
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Speaker 3: from one party, then everything is aligned. It's not only
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Speaker 3: the police, the guards, the doctors, the hospitals, everything. So
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Speaker 3: the forced organ harvesting in China is happening with the
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Speaker 3: knowledge and actually support of the Chinese government.
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Speaker 2: Dr. Trey, I read about a transplant tourism that happens.
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Speaker 2: Where do the Chinese sell these organs? Who do they
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Speaker 2: sell it to? Is it just the Chinese people that
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Speaker 2: want it? Or is there such a thing as this
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Speaker 2: tourism for transplant?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so of course this practice is criminal. And China
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Speaker 3: doesn't want the world to know about it. And they
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Speaker 3: influence the media not to report about it. So you
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Speaker 3: won't find that China is exporting organs to other countries
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Speaker 3: because then there's a question of transparency and traceability issues.
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Speaker 3: et cetera, they rather would avoid that. So the transplantation
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Speaker 3: are happening in China, and they are feeding several different groups.
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Speaker 3: One is the regular Chinese citizen, but a transplant is
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Speaker 3: very expensive. It would cost like an annual salary. So
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Speaker 3: there are not too many Chinese patients who can afford it.
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Speaker 3: The next group, the biggest group, is probably the international patients,
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Speaker 3: transplant tourists who come from different countries. parts of the world,
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Speaker 3: from Asian countries, from Europe, from the American continent, and
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Speaker 3: especially from Middle East. And the third group is probably
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Speaker 3: the Chinese officials right from the top, from the president
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Speaker 3: to the Politburo members to officials. They are also benefiting
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Speaker 3: from these organ transplants. And you might have heard the
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Speaker 3: situation with the hot mic That just happened maybe a
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Speaker 3: couple of months ago between President Putin and President Xi.
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Speaker 3: They were actually openly discussing that with transplantations, one could
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Speaker 3: maybe live up to 150 years. So they are actually
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Speaker 3: on the presidential level, on the top level. They are
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Speaker 3: actually aware of this practice of getting organs on demand.
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Speaker 2: And in their case, they're looking for it for themselves
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Speaker 2: so that they can stay in power forever. For another 60,
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Speaker 2: 70 years, even though they're getting up there in age.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is their dream, yes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's terrible. It's a fascinating subject, I believe. Let's
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Speaker 2: talk about the process and how this is done, because
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Speaker 2: from what I understand from what I have read, that
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Speaker 2: you can kind of target... this practice by how long
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Speaker 2: someone is waiting for maybe a liver or a kidney
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Speaker 2: or something like that because it's very short because most
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Speaker 2: of us know in America that when you get on
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Speaker 2: a list it could take forever some people die before
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Speaker 2: they even get the opportunity to have a transplant. So
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Speaker 2: we're talking about days here in some of these cases.
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Speaker 3: Aren't we? We do. So for a kidney in the U.S.,
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Speaker 3: you have to wait maybe five years for a liver,
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Speaker 3: a heart, maybe one year. So in China, it is reversed.
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Speaker 3: It is not an altruistic organ donation system. It is
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Speaker 3: what I describe as an organ transplant on-demand system. Think
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Speaker 3: of Amazon Prime. You order something, you get it within
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Speaker 3: two days. In China, most of the time, you get
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Speaker 3: your organ within two weeks. However, there are cases. For example,
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Speaker 3: a few years ago, a Canadian traveled to China, and
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Speaker 3: within three days, he got a kidney. or you remember
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Speaker 3: during COVID, there were several cases where patients had an
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Speaker 3: emergency lung transplantation, and they just waited one day, 24 hours,
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Speaker 3: for a donor lung. And then there was a competition
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Speaker 3: between hospitals, and actually in one month, and I believe
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Speaker 3: it was March 2020, there were documented in the Chinese
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Speaker 3: media at least eight lung transplantations where the recipient only
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Speaker 3: waited two, three days. So that is absolutely impossible. You
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Speaker 3: don't hear that. If I talk to other doctors who
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Speaker 3: do lung transplantation, it was mind boggling to them because
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Speaker 3: you have to, not only is this about the blood type,
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Speaker 3: but also the shape of the lung needs to fit.
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Speaker 3: So all of this within a day is almost impossible.
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Speaker 3: And so you... What the procedure here is, when we
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Speaker 3: say on demand, you have 500,000 or a million Falun
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Speaker 3: Gong practitioners detained. All of them get blood type, blood tested,
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Speaker 3: medically examined, and then you have a data bank. So
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Speaker 3: if a patient comes, they just immediately, within 10 minutes,
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Speaker 3: they can find the person, the prisoner who would fit
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Speaker 3: the requirements. and then they can transplant that organ really
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Speaker 3: on demand within days.
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Speaker 2: If I were being detained there and they came knocking
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Speaker 2: for me, that would not be a good thing, would it?
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Speaker 2: You know what's going on at that point because no
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Speaker 2: one ever comes back from that surgery. Do they kill
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Speaker 2: somebody first and then harvest the organs, or do they
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Speaker 2: harvest the organs and then let the person die?
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Speaker 3: It's basically at the same moment. because for doctors, they
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Speaker 3: know that if the organ is, if the organ, the
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Speaker 3: younger the organ is, the fresher the organ is, the
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Speaker 3: better is the result for the transplantation. So if the
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Speaker 3: person is killed first, then the blood transfusion of the
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Speaker 3: organ is stopping. So then at that point, the lifetime
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Speaker 3: of the donor organ is being, is kind of, drop him.
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Speaker 3: So in order to avoid that, they place the donor,
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Speaker 3: so-called donor, on the operating table, inject something that he
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Speaker 3: cannot move, and then they take it out, and within
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Speaker 3: five minutes or so, the organ is transplanted.
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Speaker 2: And you can't live without organs. Is that how they die,
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Speaker 2: or is it humane in any way? It's already inhumane,
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Speaker 2: but is that how they die? Yeah, is that how
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Speaker 2: they die, though? Just because their organs have been taken out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: The human being has two kidneys. So if you take
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Speaker 3: one kidney out, that person could technically still live. But
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Speaker 3: all the other organs are essential organs. If you remove
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Speaker 3: the heart, the lung, the pancreas, liver, or both kidneys,
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Speaker 3: the person is not able to live.
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Speaker 2: And are all of those organs things that they are harvesting?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so... As I said, this is an organ-on-demand system.
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Speaker 3: So if they have a list from somebody who wants
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Speaker 3: a kidney, and then there is, for example, no other
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Speaker 3: patient around who needs another organ, they wouldn't harvest the
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Speaker 3: other organs, at least not for transplantation. But sometimes they
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Speaker 3: pile up patients, and then they have one who needs
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Speaker 3: a liver, a kidney, a heart, and then these three
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Speaker 3: organs are removed. It's really on demand, and the rest
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Speaker 3: will be incinerated as biohazard in the basement of the hospital.
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Speaker 3: So to raise all traces.
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Speaker 2: And the family of those that have been killed as
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Speaker 2: a result of this harvesting, do they know what happened
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Speaker 2: to their loved one?
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Speaker 3: Usually not. There's a little difference here. When you have
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Speaker 3: detained Uyghurs, they want to stay in contact with their
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Speaker 3: family So in that case, there might be communication and
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Speaker 3: the family would know. But in the case of Falun Gong,
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Speaker 3: what you often see is that Falun Gong practitioners don't
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Speaker 3: release their name and don't say where they live because
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Speaker 3: they want to protect their family members. If they say
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Speaker 3: where they live, then the family members will also be prosecuted.
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Speaker 3: So usually they don't say the name and anything. And
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Speaker 3: then they become simply number prisoners and they disappear forever.
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Speaker 3: And nobody knows that they disappeared.
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Speaker 2: How many a year? Do you have any idea? Is
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Speaker 2: there a way to know that? How many people go
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Speaker 2: through this and have their organs harvested? Let me put
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Speaker 2: it this way. How many people are the Chinese government
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Speaker 2: killing doing this every year?
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Speaker 3: This is quite difficult to assess. But we believe that
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Speaker 3: per year there are maybe 20,000 to 30,000. And over
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Speaker 3: the past 25 years, we believe more than a million
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Speaker 3: people were killed in this regard.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you're listening and you don't know who the
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Speaker 2: Uyghurs are, they are Muslims. They are in the north
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Speaker 2: part of China and they are enslaved. They make your
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Speaker 2: Nike clothing. They wear. That's what they are. And China
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Speaker 2: keeps them around for slaves. And, you know, even Hillary
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Speaker 2: Clinton has admitted that that's what they do. So this
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Speaker 2: isn't a political thing. This has nothing to do with politics.
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Speaker 2: It just has to do with what the Chinese government
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Speaker 2: is doing. Dr. Trey, who gets the profit? Is this
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Speaker 2: the government getting the profit or is it hospitals and doctors?
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Speaker 2: I guess maybe all of them share in it somehow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have to explain this a little bit longer.
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Speaker 3: When in 1999 Falun Gong, the movement of Falun Gong
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Speaker 3: was persecuted, then at the same time the government has
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Speaker 3: reduced the budget of the hospitals. So the budget was
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Speaker 3: reduced and they were told you can still make money
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Speaker 3: through transplantation. So transplantation became actually the the main focus
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Speaker 3: in many hospitals to earn money. And it was set
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Speaker 3: up this way from the government because the government wanted
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Speaker 3: the hospitals to harvest organs from Falun Gong practitioners. So
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Speaker 3: here you see two points. One group, the doctors and
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Speaker 3: the guards and the judges, their incentive is money, but
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Speaker 3: the incentive for the Chinese government is a different one.
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Speaker 3: They want to have something like a final solution They
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Speaker 3: want to silence Falun Gong practitioners by killing them on
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Speaker 3: the operating table. So the incentive for the government was
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Speaker 3: not so much the money. It was the final solution,
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Speaker 3: the eradication of dissidents and prisoners of conscience.
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Speaker 2: That's amazing. In a way, if you're sitting in China,
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Speaker 2: you're part of the CCP or you're the medical doctor
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Speaker 2: or hospital. It's just a perfect marriage, isn't it? because
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Speaker 2: you are getting rid of those dissident voices, and you're
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Speaker 2: also making $ 1. 2 billion a year in an industry that
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Speaker 2: is killing people for their organs. It works out well together,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it?
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. That is exactly what is happening in China.
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Speaker 3: This is also where we, in the free world, we
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Speaker 3: have to stand up, because this is not just standing
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Speaker 3: up against an unethical business, but This is something where
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Speaker 3: the medical practice, the discipline of transplant medicine is being
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Speaker 3: used as a method to kill unwanted, undesired people. And
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Speaker 3: that leads the medicine into an absurd practice. Think about it.
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Speaker 3: You kill people to provide treatment to other people. If
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Speaker 3: this continues, medicine is failing in its mission.
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Speaker 2: Well, Dr. Torsten Trey is his name. We have more
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Speaker 2: of this conversation coming up. We're up against a break.
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Speaker 2: We're going to take that and then come back and
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Speaker 2: talk about the documentary, Silent Harvest, and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 2: It's on the way.
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Speaker 2: Booker Scott. This is The Truth Be Told with Dr.
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Speaker 2: Torsten Trey. He's a medical doctor, a PhD. I tried
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Speaker 2: had an incredible career. I did that at the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the hour. And Dr. Trey, something else I talked
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Speaker 2: about was that deer-in-the-headlight look that people give you when
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Speaker 2: you talk about a subject like this, you know, human trafficking,
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking, and organ harvesting, forced organ harvesting. is another
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Speaker 2: one of those subjects. And you deal with this every day.
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Speaker 2: When you're talking to people out there, maybe outside of
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Speaker 2: the medical community, what kind of looks do you get
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Speaker 2: when you start talking about this?
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Speaker 3: Oh, in most cases, people are almost in disbelief and
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Speaker 3: maybe in shock. And it takes a few minutes of
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Speaker 3: talking about it, and then they understand this is real.
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Speaker 3: And then the disbelief changes into shock. And And rightly so.
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Speaker 3: If people have a heart, let's say this, if they
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Speaker 3: have a heart and soul, they should be appalled by
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Speaker 3: this practice where a government is killing people on demand
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Speaker 3: for their organs and to erase them.
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Speaker 2: And that's the purpose of your organization, too, is to
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Speaker 2: shed light on this so that more people know about it.
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Speaker 2: Because until enough of us know about it, probably nothing
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Speaker 2: is going to change. The voices have to get loud.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned it. If you have a heart and soul
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Speaker 2: and you know this is going on, you want it
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Speaker 2: to stop. And that's the whole purpose of your organization,
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Speaker 2: which is the Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting. DAFO is
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Speaker 2: the acronym for that. Talk about your organization and your
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Speaker 2: work daily and what you are trying to do there.
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Speaker 3: Yes. The first step in our endeavor and our work
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Speaker 3: is really to compile information and to provide information and
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Speaker 3: objective findings to doctors and the public because only if
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Speaker 3: people are widely informed then we can talk about the next, uh, steps.
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Speaker 3: So the information is a crucial aspect because once you
23:03
Speaker 3: hear about it, you are moved. I've seen it so
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Speaker 3: many times you're shocked and moved, and then you start
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Speaker 3: working on it. You're on a seven for yourself. And
23:13
Speaker 3: one thing that, you know, when people ask what, what, how,
23:16
Speaker 3: what they can do is if you have social media, uh, just,
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Speaker 3: just share what you hear from us or from our
23:22
Speaker 3: website shared or shared with all the people that, you know, and, um,
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Speaker 3: At one point, when you reach a critical mass, you
23:30
Speaker 3: remember in 1984, sorry, 1989, the student massacre, June 4th.
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Speaker 3: The CCP shot 3,000 students on the Tiananmen Square massacre.
23:41
Speaker 3: Next day, many, many countries withdrew business from China. So
23:46
Speaker 3: if we reach, if we can replicate that, if we
23:49
Speaker 3: can really make it a mainstream topic, forced organ harvesting
23:55
Speaker 3: in China, then I believe A similar reaction will come
23:59
Speaker 3: where countries say, well, this is going too far. We
24:04
Speaker 3: retreat from China. We don't do business with China. At
24:07
Speaker 3: that point, there will be change in China. There will
24:11
Speaker 3: be change in China. So this is one of our
24:14
Speaker 3: goals to basically make it go viral. The other thing
24:19
Speaker 3: we do is we work with different governments, parliaments, etc.,
24:23
Speaker 3: So right now in the U.S. Congress, in the Senate,
24:27
Speaker 3: there's a bill, Senate Bill 4009. This is pending in
24:34
Speaker 3: the Foreign Relations Committee. If you live in a state
24:38
Speaker 3: with two senators, call those two senators and ask them
24:43
Speaker 3: to co-sponsor this Bill 4009. This will send a signal
24:48
Speaker 3: to China and say, We are aware of what you're
24:52
Speaker 3: doing and we want you to stop. Just this public announcement,
24:58
Speaker 3: just this public signal can be enough for China to
25:01
Speaker 3: stop because they fear that the world will get to
25:06
Speaker 3: know about the forced organ harvesting. That is our chance.
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Speaker 2: Dr. Trey, who is sponsoring or co-sponsoring that bill in
25:14
Speaker 2: the Senate? That's Senate Bill 4009 is the number. Call
25:18
Speaker 2: your senator, do it tomorrow, and tell them to support
25:22
Speaker 2: that bill, 4009 in the Senate. Do you know who
25:25
Speaker 2: sponsored that bill, who put their name on it to
25:27
Speaker 2: begin with?
25:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have actually introduced this bill two, three years ago.
25:32
Speaker 3: And at that time, it was on the Senate side,
25:34
Speaker 3: it was Senator Rubio, who is now the secretary. So
25:39
Speaker 3: he is all in to support this. Then after he
25:43
Speaker 3: left the Senate, it was Senator Ted Cruz who introduced
25:47
Speaker 3: this bill on the Senate side. But then we ran
25:50
Speaker 3: into problems where the chair of the Foreign Relations Committee
25:53
Speaker 3: said he wanted to have it bipartisan. And I didn't
25:56
Speaker 3: understand why this is needed, because this is not a
26:00
Speaker 3: partisan topic. This is a nonpartisan topic, even politically. even
26:05
Speaker 3: if it's just one party that would support it, it
26:08
Speaker 3: should pass as soon as possible. But now we actually
26:12
Speaker 3: found a Democrat co-sponsor, and that is Senator Merkley from Oregon.
26:20
Speaker 3: So we have a bipartisan sponsorship for this bill. It's
26:24
Speaker 3: ready to go. We just need more co-sponsors, more senators
26:28
Speaker 3: who co-sponsor.
26:30
Speaker 2: So get on the phone. Get on the phone and
26:32
Speaker 2: call your senator. Tell them about Senate Bill 4009. They
26:36
Speaker 2: may not even know about it, but tell them you
26:38
Speaker 2: want it passed. What about on the House side? Is
26:41
Speaker 2: there a bill there that matches this one?
26:44
Speaker 3: Yes, and on the House side, the bill passed unanimously.
26:49
Speaker 3: That was never a problem. It passed in 2024, and
26:52
Speaker 3: it also passed last year in the new version. So
26:56
Speaker 3: on the House side, the bill is passing unanimously, and
27:02
Speaker 3: it is just on the Senate side where There are obstacles,
27:05
Speaker 3: and I do not understand why.
27:07
Speaker 2: What are the obstacles? What are the obstacles? I mean,
27:11
Speaker 2: this is a country killing people for their organs. This
27:16
Speaker 2: shouldn't be difficult. It shouldn't be rocket science. It should
27:19
Speaker 2: be very simple to bring this bill for a vote.
27:24
Speaker 2: What are the obstacles? And this is a resolution, isn't it?
27:27
Speaker 2: It's just to denounce China and bring attention to it?
27:31
Speaker 3: No, it's not a resolution. In 2016, we had a resolution.
27:35
Speaker 3: This time we have a binding. It's a binding bill.
27:39
Speaker 3: If it passes, it will become law. So this is
27:44
Speaker 3: something that has teeth and really would make a difference.
27:48
Speaker 3: It's not just a statement. It's really a position and
27:51
Speaker 3: it would create action. One part of the bill is
27:58
Speaker 3: that it would require from the State Department to produce
28:03
Speaker 3: reports about forced organ harvesting every year. And why is
28:06
Speaker 3: this important? So far, most of the investigations were done
28:11
Speaker 3: by private people, investigators. And we have tons of information.
28:19
Speaker 3: The shelves can be filled with books, but we don't
28:23
Speaker 3: have it in an administrative format where the government would
28:27
Speaker 3: be forced to take action. So this bill would open
28:32
Speaker 3: this door and make it possible that the state department
28:39
Speaker 3: can create reports on forced organ harvesting with subsequent actions.
28:44
Speaker 3: So this is a very important step.
28:46
Speaker 2: I meant to ask you earlier, what type of medical
28:48
Speaker 2: doctor are you?
28:51
Speaker 3: I was trained in internal medicine. I'm not in the
28:55
Speaker 3: surgical field.
28:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering. That's why I asked the question.
28:58
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you were someone that did transplants
29:01
Speaker 2: in your career.
29:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:03
Speaker 2: And your Ph.D.? No.
29:05
Speaker 3: What is your Ph.D.? That was in the field of cardiology. Okay.
29:12
Speaker 1: Okay.
29:13
Speaker 2: And you have no idea why the Senate cannot debate
29:17
Speaker 2: this and pass it with unanimous consent even, just like
29:21
Speaker 2: the House did. You don't know what's holding it up?
29:23
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't. And it is basically the
29:27
Speaker 3: Foreign Relations Committee is the bottleneck here. And I do
29:31
Speaker 3: not know what the interests behind it are. It was
29:37
Speaker 3: not communicated. to us in a transparent way. It was
29:49
Speaker 3: introduced by a Republican senator. It needs to have a
29:53
Speaker 3: Democrat co-sponsor. And I wonder, is that typical that a
29:56
Speaker 3: bill cannot pass if there is no no co-sponsor from
30:01
Speaker 3: the other party.
30:02
Speaker 2: No, they can't.
30:03
Speaker 3: I feel kind of.
30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can pass. Yeah. Absolutely.
30:06
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
30:08
Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going on.
30:09
Speaker 3: I really don't know.
30:10
Speaker 2: Well, I have a pretty big voice on social media.
30:13
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that, but I have
30:15
Speaker 2: a couple of hundred thousand followers on X. And by
30:18
Speaker 2: the way, if you're listening to this, I haven't thrown
30:20
Speaker 2: it out in a while, but you can follow me
30:22
Speaker 2: at Real Booker Scott. And I'll start putting this out
30:26
Speaker 2: and bring people and get the attention of some people
30:30
Speaker 2: and possibly even some senators. Maybe we can do that too.
30:34
Speaker 2: I have some conversations with some members of the House
30:39
Speaker 2: every once in a while and have some connections to
30:41
Speaker 2: get to the Senate. But I would love to help
30:43
Speaker 2: you with this. I want to talk about the Silent Harvest,
30:48
Speaker 2: which is a documentary. And I guess people on Capitol
30:51
Speaker 2: Hill had a viewing of it just last week, May 15th.
30:55
Speaker 2: Talk about this documentary.
30:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just the title, Silent Harvest. If you think
31:03
Speaker 3: about what we just talked about on the Senate side,
31:07
Speaker 3: silence is the biggest accomplice in human rights violations, in atrocities.
31:14
Speaker 3: Silence is silence makes atrocities come true, is making them happening.
31:23
Speaker 3: So we have to break through the silence, like what
31:27
Speaker 3: the subtitle says, we have to speak up, courage to
31:30
Speaker 3: speak up. In this regard, the senators also need to
31:32
Speaker 3: speak up. So the silent harvest is the name of
31:37
Speaker 3: our documentary, which was about 10 years in the making.
31:41
Speaker 3: 10 years ago, I had the idea, the vision, to
31:44
Speaker 3: produce a documentary that would cover the information that we compiled,
31:50
Speaker 3: but also communicate the information in the format of a film.
31:54
Speaker 3: And we started 10 years ago, but there were parts missing.
31:59
Speaker 3: And those parts came together in the recent years. So
32:04
Speaker 3: after 10 years, we are really delighted, I have to say,
32:08
Speaker 3: and relieved that we finally can put this film together
32:12
Speaker 3: and share it with the public.
32:15
Speaker 2: As we go to commercial break, I'm going to play
32:17
Speaker 2: about a minute from your trailer on that documentary. When
32:20
Speaker 2: you played it for people in Washington, D.C., what was
32:23
Speaker 2: their response? What was it like?
32:27
Speaker 3: It was very interesting. It was, of course, like every premiere,
32:32
Speaker 3: you do not know how the people react. So what
32:35
Speaker 3: I noticed is the people who watched it they were
32:39
Speaker 3: just sitting and were glued to the screen. They didn't move.
32:43
Speaker 3: They didn't walk out. And when somebody walked out, he
32:48
Speaker 3: did it fast, and he returned very quickly within a minute, probably.
32:52
Speaker 3: He had a restroom break.
32:53
Speaker 2: So he had his attention.
32:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:57
Speaker 3: The people really attentively watched this film, and it really
33:02
Speaker 3: moved them afterwards. When I looked at the faces, you
33:05
Speaker 3: could see that the people were changed. The documentary changed
33:12
Speaker 3: the perception of the people. They were almost like awakened.
33:18
Speaker 3: They understood that forced organ harvesting is really happening in China,
33:22
Speaker 3: and this is appalling. It's shocking. When we had the
33:25
Speaker 3: premiere a day later on Saturday, May 16th, we had
33:29
Speaker 3: a larger audience. It was the same reaction. the audience
33:34
Speaker 3: was glued to the screen and really followed it very attentively.
33:42
Speaker 3: And afterwards, when I looked at the faces, they were
33:46
Speaker 3: really changed. So we are very happy with this effect
33:51
Speaker 3: from the film that it can wake up people and
33:54
Speaker 3: make them understand that forced organ harvesting in China is happening.
33:58
Speaker 2: Did you keep up with COVID very closely and know
34:01
Speaker 2: everything that was going on? Say with Dr. Fauci, who
34:04
Speaker 2: did a lot of tests on beagles. And the reason
34:07
Speaker 2: why I bring that up, I did work with White
34:12
Speaker 2: Coat Waste Project. And they were really going after Fauci
34:15
Speaker 2: really hard for the beagles. And there seemed to be
34:18
Speaker 2: a real groundswell of people on social media that were
34:22
Speaker 2: going after Fauci. And I recall even some members of
34:26
Speaker 2: the House of Representatives talking about it, and it was
34:28
Speaker 2: part of hearings. This was a beagle, a dog, and
34:31
Speaker 2: I love beagles and I love dogs. I've had many.
34:34
Speaker 2: I've had several beagles, in fact. But we're talking about
34:36
Speaker 2: human beings, and you don't hear that ground swell of,
34:42
Speaker 2: distaste for harvesting a human being's organ like you do
34:47
Speaker 2: for a beagle that had flies on their face and
34:50
Speaker 2: ended up dying because Fauci put them through that. It's weird,
34:54
Speaker 2: isn't it? It's almost like people don't want to admit
34:57
Speaker 2: that this happens in 2026.
35:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And the comparison with the beagle is
35:04
Speaker 3: really shocking as well. How come that we have so
35:07
Speaker 3: much heart for the beagles but not heart for those
35:13
Speaker 3: who are persecuted and killed for their organs in an
35:17
Speaker 3: industrial scale.
35:22
Speaker 2: It's probably out of sight, out of mind, Dr.
35:25
Speaker 3: Trey.
35:25
Speaker 2: You don't see it, and therefore it doesn't happen, and
35:29
Speaker 2: people don't want to deal with it. If they see
35:32
Speaker 2: it and they're moved by it, then maybe they start
35:36
Speaker 2: talking about it, and that's your whole purpose, is what
35:39
Speaker 2: I understand, and your organization, and also in the Silent
35:43
Speaker 2: Harvest documentary. Am I fair with that? Am I on target?
35:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are. That is fair. So when we started
35:51
Speaker 3: 20 years ago, we mostly were focused on the victims.
35:55
Speaker 3: But then in the past years, the past five, six,
35:58
Speaker 3: seven years, we actually noticed that it is not only
36:01
Speaker 3: the victims far away. It is actually our society that
36:05
Speaker 3: is being subjected to this abuse as well. Because we
36:09
Speaker 3: are training doctors from China in the transplant field. We
36:14
Speaker 3: have exchange. Hospitals are training doctors. Universities take students from China.
36:21
Speaker 3: And then you have the patients here from the U.S.
36:25
Speaker 3: who learn from other doctors that they can get a
36:27
Speaker 3: fast-track transplant in China and they go. But what they
36:31
Speaker 3: don't know is that they become actually complicit in the murder. Yeah.
36:35
Speaker 3: of those prisoners of conscience. As soon as you go
36:37
Speaker 3: to China for a transplant, you initiate the killing of
36:42
Speaker 3: a person. Even if you get the organ, you think
36:46
Speaker 3: about it, if the person would know he had a
36:48
Speaker 3: heart from somebody and then he realized that somebody else
36:52
Speaker 3: was killed for it, you walk, for the rest of
36:55
Speaker 3: your life, you walk with this thought that somebody was
36:58
Speaker 3: killed so that you can live. So in a way,
37:02
Speaker 3: we have to protect The patients and doctors here in
37:06
Speaker 3: the U.S., we have to tell them that don't become
37:11
Speaker 3: complicit in a murder for organ. So over time, we
37:16
Speaker 3: realized this is not an isolated problem in China. This
37:21
Speaker 3: is a problem that is basically affecting all countries around
37:26
Speaker 3: the world, including the U.S.
37:27
Speaker 2: I never thought of it the way that you just
37:30
Speaker 2: put it. And I think that's a great way to
37:32
Speaker 2: put it. In order for someone to go in two
37:35
Speaker 2: or three days to China and get that organ, they
37:39
Speaker 2: have to understand that someone is dying and they're doing
37:45
Speaker 2: it to them. And the doctor is involved as well.
37:48
Speaker 2: That was really an incredible thought there. How do you
37:51
Speaker 2: live with yourself knowing that you actually murdered someone so
37:55
Speaker 2: that you could live? Because that's what's happening. It's really
38:00
Speaker 2: an amazing story. As we come up here on our
38:03
Speaker 2: last break, I want you to add anything else that
38:06
Speaker 2: you want to the conversation that I didn't get to
38:09
Speaker 2: that you think that I should have asked. Please share
38:12
Speaker 2: that right now. And when we go to the break,
38:15
Speaker 2: I'm going to play about a minute of the Silent
38:18
Speaker 2: Harvest documentary. By the way, please tell everybody where they
38:21
Speaker 2: can watch that documentary.
38:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, this documentary, we decided that we don't add a
38:27
Speaker 3: paywall to this film. because our mission is to inform people,
38:32
Speaker 3: and we want to make it as simple as possible
38:35
Speaker 3: for people to watch it. This film is watchable, accessible,
38:40
Speaker 3: on the website silentharvestmovie.com, silentharvestmovie.com. And we hope that this
38:51
Speaker 3: really educates the people in the country and around the
38:55
Speaker 3: world and really helps to stop this atrocity. I earlier
38:59
Speaker 3: said silence is the biggest accomplice in atrocities. And in
39:06
Speaker 3: this case, this forced organ harvesting is not a side
39:09
Speaker 3: topic in the medical field. It is probably the worst abuse,
39:16
Speaker 3: the worst violation of medical ethics in this century. So
39:22
Speaker 3: it's a side topic, but if you want to have
39:27
Speaker 3: a comparison, think of, What happened in the gas chamber?
39:30
Speaker 3: The gas chambers were used as a final solution and people,
39:36
Speaker 3: not only Jewish people, other people too, were killed in
39:40
Speaker 3: a large scale. And now we have a similar situation
39:44
Speaker 3: where transplant medicine is basically the gas chamber to eradicate
39:49
Speaker 3: unwanted people.
39:50
Speaker 2: Dr. Torsten Trey is his name. Thank you for coming
39:54
Speaker 2: on the program. I really do thank you for coming on.
39:57
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Great work you are doing. Keep at it.
40:01
Speaker 2: And I really did enjoy it. Thank you for coming on.
40:04
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
40:05
Speaker 4: The human spirit, when all is in harmony, finds its
40:10
Speaker 4: natural state in peace and freedom. a spinning top dancing.
40:17
Speaker 4: Moments of love and joy resonate with ancient truths. Respect
40:22
Speaker 4: for the divine, for family, the heart's call to do
40:26
Speaker 4: unto others as we would have done to us. This
40:31
Speaker 4: is the promise of humanity, to ease suffering, to honor
40:35
Speaker 4: the human condition, to live with hope and meaning in
40:39
Speaker 4: every breath. Yet shadows fall across this light. There are
40:45
Speaker 4: people in our world robbed of their freedoms, their very
40:47
Speaker 4: lives stolen. And this film shines a voice for the voiceless,
40:54
Speaker 4: calling us to stand for justice and to awaken and
40:59
Speaker 4: to act.
41:02
Speaker 2: And thank you very much for joining us here tonight
41:05
Speaker 2: and every night on The Truth Be Told. I'm Booker Scott,
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