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Ohio State Football LIVE: Can Penn State Finally Beat The Buckeyes? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyes Tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: Morning for Thursday, July twenty fourth. I'm your host Tom Moore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Tony Gerderman here at day two of
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  Speaker 1: Big Ten d Days. We are two thirds of the
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  Speaker 1: way through what is a turning into a marathon event
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  Speaker 1: with the league being as big as it is. And
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  Speaker 1: it was Ohio State Day on Tuesday Wednesday. There were
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  Speaker 1: six teams, but it was really kind of Oregon and
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  Speaker 1: Penn State Day. We're gonna be talking a lot about
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  Speaker 1: Penn State because Penn State is a team that it
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  Speaker 1: was picked by the league's media to win the Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten this year, and it's just it's a really interesting
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  Speaker 1: team because if you look at two years ago, the
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  Speaker 1: whole a lot of the conversation was boy Michigan They've
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  Speaker 1: gotten close. They've gotten close, but boy, they brought back
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  Speaker 1: all these veteran players. Is this year they can do it?
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course they went on to win the
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  Speaker 1: national championship last year. The conversation was, boy, Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: you know they have gotten close, but now they've brought
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  Speaker 1: back all these veteran players, is this year they can
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  Speaker 1: win the national championship? And they do? Tony, Penn State
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  Speaker 1: has been close a few times. They got to the
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  Speaker 1: quarterfinals last year, nearly won the Big Ten championship game,
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  Speaker 1: nearly beat Ohio State. Haven't quite gotten over the hump.
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  Speaker 1: But Tony, boy, they've got a team loaded with veteran players,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of whom co have gone to the draft
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  Speaker 1: and chose to come back for one more year to
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  Speaker 1: trying to achieve some team goals. This is all sounding
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  Speaker 1: very familiar. I guess the big question is, well, the
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  Speaker 1: story and the same way it has the last two.
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  Speaker 2: Years, I don't think, so what's next question? Everybody's embracing it.
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  Speaker 2: James Franklin said this is the best personnelit he's ever
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  Speaker 2: had on in terms of players and coaches, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. Also made mention that They
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  Speaker 2: made it to the playoffs last year with three new
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  Speaker 2: coordinators basically especially things coordinator, offensive defensive coordinator, and and
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  Speaker 2: so this year again a new defensive coordinator. You got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of talent. They're scheduled going to Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. But again, the regular season doesn't necessarily matter
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  Speaker 2: as long as you make it into the postseason and
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  Speaker 2: what can you do there? And I mean, they're they're
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  Speaker 2: well equipped. I still I still want to be convinced.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the one of the Penn State players
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  Speaker 2: is asked, ask about quarterback Drew Aller, like, tell us
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  Speaker 2: something about him, and he just they went on about
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  Speaker 2: his He went on about his leadership and how he's
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  Speaker 2: like he is the leader of the team and they
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  Speaker 2: will follow him everywhere and wherever he's going to take
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  Speaker 2: them to the as far as far as they go.
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  Speaker 2: I still need to see it because I was totally
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  Speaker 2: not convinced Michigan would win a national championship. That's a
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  Speaker 2: different show on whether I'm right or wrong about that one.
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  Speaker 2: You still want to be convinced. You always thought Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State had the talent to do it, it's just would
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  Speaker 2: it get done. It's not easy to win national championships.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the key. Also to remember it's not
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  Speaker 2: easy to do this, and only one of the one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty some teams now actually get it done.
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  Speaker 2: Can Penn State be that one?
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the time of year we are in Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll frame this in terms of odds. No one
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  Speaker 1: is even money to win the national championship this year.
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  Speaker 1: The safe answer on will fill in the blank win
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  Speaker 1: the national championship this year is no, because odds are
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  Speaker 1: you going to be right about every team except for one?
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  Speaker 1: And there are so many things that can go wrong
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  Speaker 1: on you know, en route to a potential national championship.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Ohio State last year had a relatively
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  Speaker 1: easy run through the playoffs where they thumped Tennessee pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: They're up thirty four to nothing in Oregon in the
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  Speaker 1: second core and that game was you know over before halftime.
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  Speaker 1: Texas was at the what the one yard line with
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  Speaker 1: a chance to tie the game with a couple of
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  Speaker 1: minutes left Notre Dame. That that game looked like it
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  Speaker 1: was over just after halftime, and then Notre Dame, I
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  Speaker 1: mean Ohio State needed the third in Jeremiah play to
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  Speaker 1: kind of put that away finally, So you're you're at
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  Speaker 1: that point, you are one play away from you know,
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  Speaker 1: if Jack Sawyer gets there late against Quinn Yours, maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's a different Maybe it's a different thing. So
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of ways that that can go
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  Speaker 1: wrong and it can't work out. But talking to James Franklin,
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  Speaker 1: he is very optimistic about what he's got back, and
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, everyone immediately will say Drew Ler,
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  Speaker 1: but it feels like for Penn State, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it is going to start with the offensive line where
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  Speaker 1: they got a lot of guys back and man Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State that the duo at running back that they had
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  Speaker 1: last year, you know, Trevan Henderson, quenchr and Draggons, both
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  Speaker 1: of them finished with one thousand yards each and ten
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  Speaker 1: ten touch down. Were you around when James Franklin was
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  Speaker 1: talking about Nick Singleton and k Tron Allen and just
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  Speaker 1: the amazing stat that he was talking about, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That they could finish one or one and two in
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  Speaker 2: Penn State history and rushing and have been splitting carries
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  Speaker 2: the entire time. Mean, that's that's amazing, but that's also
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  Speaker 2: the you stay there for four years you're actually about
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  Speaker 2: four thousand yards and then you know, you you leave
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  Speaker 2: a legacy. And I think that's the other thing where
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  Speaker 2: these guys have an opportunity to do something that Penn
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  Speaker 2: State hasn't done. I mean, you can say the ninety
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  Speaker 2: five team was the best Penn State team we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety four ninety five was pretty good too, yes it was,
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  Speaker 2: but that they didn't win a nice champion well.
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  Speaker 1: Then under even the format four years later on the BCS,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty good chance they win the
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  Speaker 1: national championship that year.
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  Speaker 2: But and I think it's okay to claim something like that,
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  Speaker 2: but to leave a legacy that is indelible, that's not
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  Speaker 2: something that Penn State players have been able to do.
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  Speaker 2: It's always find you find the the things to remember
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  Speaker 2: where you can, because the lasting memory is that last
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  Speaker 2: game or whatever it is it's or the losses that
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  Speaker 2: kept you from your ultimate goals. What limits what keeps
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  Speaker 2: this Penn State team from reaching that as an happenstance?
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  Speaker 2: Is it game management? Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? It could be a lot of things in game
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  Speaker 1: management is certainly a possibility, and there are hurdles that
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  Speaker 1: they have not gotten over yet. But if they don't
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  Speaker 1: get over the Ohio State hurdle this year, and they
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  Speaker 1: haven't beaten Ohio State since twenty sixteen, if they don't,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't that it does not necessarily preclude them from
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  Speaker 1: making the College Football Playoff or or the Big Ten
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  Speaker 1: champions your game, or the College Football Playoff, none of
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  Speaker 1: those things, And it does not, you know, if they
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  Speaker 1: lose to Orgon at home. We just saw a team
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  Speaker 1: lose two games in big time play and go on
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  Speaker 1: to win the National Championship. So there's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more margin for error there for Penn State this year,
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  Speaker 1: which probably helps James Franklin sleep at night to a
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  Speaker 1: certain degree where it's not well, if you can't beat
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  Speaker 1: the team, if you can't slay the dragon you haven't
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  Speaker 1: been able to slay in nine years, that boy, you're
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  Speaker 1: immediately doomed. You have a little bit of a margin
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  Speaker 1: for error there, so that probably helps. They also have
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  Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator, and this is he said, this
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  Speaker 1: is the third straight year that they have a new
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. But they've had really good defenses each year,
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  Speaker 1: hasn't It hasn't been. They've had a disaster of a
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  Speaker 1: year in the middle. They had many Diez who left
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  Speaker 1: to be a head coach. They had Tom Allen who
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  Speaker 1: left to be a defensive coordinator Clemson, and now you
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  Speaker 1: have Jim Knowles who came over from Ohio State. We
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  Speaker 1: have seen the impact that Jim Knowles can have and
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  Speaker 1: they don't need to be much better. They just need
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  Speaker 1: to be pretty okay, pretty much the same, and they
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  Speaker 1: probably will be a little bit better because we have
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  Speaker 1: seen Jymnoles at work. But you also have well, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the defense first before we talk about
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  Speaker 1: some of the insulary benefits of Jim Knowles.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the I think they're good enough to win a
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  Speaker 2: national championship. They've got they've got good guys up front.
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  Speaker 2: Even though they lost Abdul Carter and then they've lost
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  Speaker 2: some things, They're always going to have. Defensive backs are
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  Speaker 2: always going to They seem to have more safeties than anybody.
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  Speaker 2: They just rolled new guys in there. And Zachy Watley
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  Speaker 2: I think had one hundred ninety some tackles last year.
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  Speaker 2: And I was asking him about the safety driven defense
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  Speaker 2: that Jim Noles likes to talk about. He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into it, but I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: forward to it. So there's a lot of the whole
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  Speaker 2: like yes, Jim Knowles thing, but I'm not we can't,
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  Speaker 2: I can't talk too much about it. Yeah right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, Luca ass here, has there been
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  Speaker 1: a champion that was as weak as as Penn State
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  Speaker 1: is a tight end and wide receiver this year? I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember one, and then follows up with even defensive
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  Speaker 1: champions like Alabama and Georgia of years past had great
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  Speaker 1: still skill talent, and yes and no, I mean how
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  Speaker 1: how great was the you know some of those Alabama teams,
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  Speaker 1: the earlier Alabama National Championship teams in terms of skill
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  Speaker 1: talent like they had it. But you know, you look
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  Speaker 1: at the running backs there was there was you know,
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  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry. Alabama teams that were not necessarily great at
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver, but you had Derek Henry and you had
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  Speaker 1: an offensive line they have, you know, they don't have
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Warren this year. They did bring in three transfer
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  Speaker 1: wide receivers, two of whom led their previous teams in
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  Speaker 1: receptions or in receiving last year, and one of whom's
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  Speaker 1: coming over from Troy. After you know a solid career
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  Speaker 1: there as well. But man, if you have an offensive
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  Speaker 1: line like they do and you have two running backs
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  Speaker 1: like they do, and the defense is what it potentially
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  Speaker 1: could be. And I want to get to Lisa's comment
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  Speaker 1: in a minute on the defense. They don't have to
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  Speaker 1: they don't have to be David Klingler Houston. They just
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  Speaker 1: need to be able to put you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: that the days of fifty two forty nine National Chief
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  Speaker 1: Pitch of Games are kind of over well.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't that long ago when Ryan Day said
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  Speaker 2: you need to score forty points in the playoffs to win,
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  Speaker 2: and we've seen that that's not the case anymore, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's just defenses catching up or the lower style that
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  Speaker 2: some teams are playing, and with the Penn State defense,
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  Speaker 2: they they're always going to have individual talents and then
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  Speaker 2: the way that Jim Knowles builds them and gets them
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  Speaker 2: to go, well, we'll see how much he can raise them.
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  Speaker 2: But the Alabama thing, the skill talent that they would have,
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  Speaker 2: it took to like to of where Nick Sable was like,
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  Speaker 2: I should get NFL quarterbacks and he had Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: before that. But in terms of the arms, like that's
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  Speaker 2: when Alabama like kind of came into the modern era
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  Speaker 2: and we're able to win with crazy offenses. Before is
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  Speaker 2: crazy defenses and enough offense with like the quarterback that
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  Speaker 2: played against Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: And fourteen was like Coker, Jacob Coker.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that it was. It wasn't him, it
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  Speaker 2: was another quarterback Coker was before that. Coker won national championship. Okay, exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that, yeah, and Philip something or other Blake Sims,
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  Speaker 2: Philip Blake Simms.
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  Speaker 1: I just have Cooper Bateman in my head, and he
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  Speaker 1: was he was only very briefly their quarterback. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: you go through the Greg mcclroy years, and you go
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  Speaker 1: through some of the other it was just it was
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  Speaker 1: a you know, a never ending stream of you know,
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  Speaker 1: white dudes with Bama bangs, and it just yeah, Blake
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  Speaker 1: Blake Sims. Yeah, so he was he was fine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But but I think you also saw a Undernick Saban
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  Speaker 1: he basically you know, I remember the is this what
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  Speaker 1: we want football to be? Yeah press conference where it
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  Speaker 1: was you know, guys are running to hurry up, and
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  Speaker 1: he's saying, you know, this is the player safety issue.
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  Speaker 1: Is this what we moved what we want football to
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  Speaker 1: be and everyone kind of shrugged and went like, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, right, I can win
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  Speaker 1: that way, and then they did. So not everyone is
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  Speaker 1: Nick Saban, and you know, James Franklin is not next
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  Speaker 1: saving because no one's Nick Shaban. But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think this is not a team that is by any
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  Speaker 1: means a lock to win the national championship. But it
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  Speaker 1: feels like they have a lot of the pieces. Do
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  Speaker 1: they have all the pieces we'll be able to put
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  Speaker 1: be able to put the pieces together. That's that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the really interesting question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think my question for them is that
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  Speaker 2: the area where the two biggest questions you could have
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  Speaker 2: on a program, and there's the two worst places to
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  Speaker 2: have those questions, quarterback and head coach. I really like
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  Speaker 2: James Franklin for these things, like he's always great to
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  Speaker 2: talk to. We need to see him get over that
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  Speaker 2: help And it's it's a it's a very big hump, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you need to beat some of the best programs in
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  Speaker 2: college football. You need like get over the hump against
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  Speaker 2: Michigan in twenty twenty three. You need to beat the
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  Speaker 2: national champs. That get over the ump against dhyist that
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  Speaker 2: you need to beat the team that becomes the national champs. Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not an easy thing to do. That's why he's
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  Speaker 2: not been able to do it. But again, you shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have to just be able to do the easy things.
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  Speaker 2: At some point, you've got to be able to do
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  Speaker 2: the difficult things. And the problem with that is Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State's really talented as well, Organ's really talented. Whoever they
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  Speaker 2: end up with playing wherever is going to be really
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  Speaker 2: talented as well. And what happens when they meet up
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  Speaker 2: with Notre Dame where they have last year, they had
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  Speaker 2: some good moments, but they faded down to stretch. And
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  Speaker 2: that's not just on James Franklin and I know you've
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  Speaker 2: got an angry Penn State team. I was asking executely
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  Speaker 2: about Ohio State, like in general, like how much would
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  Speaker 2: it mean? You know, how badly would do you want
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  Speaker 2: to be to Ohio State? Things like that. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're just tom They just taking it one
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  Speaker 2: game at a time and not really focused on anything,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the disappointments of whatever. They're just focused on themselves.
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  Speaker 2: And it's all of the coaches speak that the coaches
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  Speaker 2: want them to convey. But again I said it yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and I asked you, like, how how badly would this
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  Speaker 2: destroy Bend State to lose to Ohio State two times
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  Speaker 2: this year or in fact a third time?
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  Speaker 1: Right? And you know that's where you go from when
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  Speaker 1: is it going to happen? To oh, this might not
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  Speaker 1: happen when you have the year where all the stars
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  Speaker 1: aligned and you have your roster comes back and you
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  Speaker 1: have the twenty twenty three Michigan team where you have
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Ohio State team, and then it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. I mean think we're Ohio State fans were
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  Speaker 1: after the Michigan game last year where it was like,
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  Speaker 1: certainly this is the year that we will reach all
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  Speaker 1: of our goals. And the goals were to beat Michigan
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  Speaker 1: and win the Big Ten and win the national championship.
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  Speaker 1: And you have the shocking loss to Michigan, so goals won,
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  Speaker 1: and then also two are off the table, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's well, then it really was nattie or bust this.
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  Speaker 1: That to me is the point where you kind of go, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is just not going to happen. But there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of teams that are kind of in
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  Speaker 1: that boat right now, where you know, yes, it happened
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  Speaker 1: for Michigan in twenty twenty three, Yes it happened for
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  Speaker 1: a house date in twenty twenty four. You could very
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  Speaker 1: easily look at Oregon twenty twenty four and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: they're number one, They've already beaten Ohio State at home,
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  Speaker 1: they're going they you know, they have a first round
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  Speaker 1: by they've won the conference championship, they're undefeated, best team
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  Speaker 1: in the nation. If not now Tony, when would this
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  Speaker 1: possibly happen? And then it's thirty four nothing in the
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  Speaker 1: second quarter. But then you look at Georgia. Georgia in
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  Speaker 1: what was in the Tua game that you mentioned, all
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  Speaker 1: they had to do was not have a true freshman
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  Speaker 1: come off the bench and throw a forty two yard
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  Speaker 1: touchdown in overtime. How hard can that be? Well, turns
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  Speaker 1: out fairly hard and over in overtime, and it was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and everyone's chanting nineteen eighty at them, and yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: obviously this is never going to happen for Georgia until
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  Speaker 1: it did. And then it did, and it happened two
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  Speaker 1: years in a row, and now no one says this
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  Speaker 1: can't happen for Georgia. Georgia can't get over the hump
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Notre Dame kind of got over the hump
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  Speaker 1: sort of last year, and that they actually want to
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  Speaker 1: made ball game for the first time since nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: But they have won a national championship since nineteen eighty eight,
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  Speaker 1: and they had a lot of stuff lining up for
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  Speaker 1: them last year. So then if not, then when? And
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  Speaker 1: not only one team can win the national championship. Only
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  Speaker 1: one team can answer that question in the now, and
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of teams that are asking
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  Speaker 1: if not now when that are gonna get a sad
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  Speaker 1: answer at the end of the season.
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  Speaker 2: And also, I remember you were talking about if not
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  Speaker 2: now when I was thinking exactly of the Michigan game
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  Speaker 2: where I am upstairs in the press in the media
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  Speaker 2: area waiting for Ryan. The game has been lost. Everybody
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: is like I can't believe what I just saw. And
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: then you finally get up there and we're like, well,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: if you can't win this game, how you know, good luck?
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Are you ever going to win this game? One? And
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: then too, how do you come back from this? And
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: yet they did so we can sit here, and I
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: could sit here and say I'm not convinced of Penn State,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm happy to be proven wrong. Tom. Do you
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: know the last time the Big Ten won three national
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: championships in the row? Because IER don't, because I couldn't
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: scroll far that far down on Wikipedia to find three
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: national championships in the row because you probably have to
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: go back to the fifties or the sixties.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think if they I don't know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: if I mean Michigan won a couple in the forties
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and maybe like the Paul Brown Ohio state team and
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a couple of the Michigan teams then or in the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties and forties, like Minnesota won a couple back then,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and maybe you could string together a couple that way.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But I mean, it is it has been a minute,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: for sure. I do want to get to the super
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: chat from Jordan Kapler and then we'll get back to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Lease's question. Jordan, what's over under of Penn State being
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: asked if this is a Natty or bus season also
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: being Columbus this weekend, if any of you want a
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: free beer?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, can you just drop them off? Like, I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to go I don't want to hang out
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: with you, Jordan, but if you gets dropped down.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: You know, James Franklin didn't get asked that specifically in
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: those terms, but you know, it was kind of asked.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It was it was kind of like, okay, you what
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: does it take to get over the hump this year?
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Because he does seem like a lot of the pieces
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: are there in place, and he said, you know, it's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: it's sort of encouraging, and Durreller said a lot of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the same stuff, which tells you that this is how
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: they're talking about it internally. They're close, they've been close.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It's not like they're getting blown off the field by
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. They had they got a stopped with a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: goal line stand, a dramatic goal line stand, and then
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Ohio State was able to run the clock out. But
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like Ohio State won by thirty two points.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yet last year in state college. How many times have
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: we been in state College and it has been an
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: incredibly close game since that twenty sixteen game. Twenty seventeen
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was the late kJ Hill touchdown and the Benjamin Victor touchdown.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Before that two thousand let's see two and nineteen, No,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty we were there because they were back to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: back years that they were in Columbus, because they were
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: back to back years they were in Penn State and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: oh no, Penn State was it doesn't matter. Twenty seventeen
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: was in Columbus. That was the big dramatic comeback with J. T.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Barrett going sixteen for sixteen in the fourth quarter. But
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that was a huge comeback. Twenty eighteen was the year
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that was in Penn State with the with the kJ
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Hill touchdown two thousand and that that was that was
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the year that they ran it on fourth and five
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and everyone went nuts over that. Twenty twenty was the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: weird COVID year and Ohistate won that by thirteen points
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Twenty two was close. Twenty two.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Ohio State had to come back in the fourth quarter.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: To win easy thirteen point win in that one.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, but I mean, like but by the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: standards of this that series, that's a that's a blow up.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: But it was also close to the fourth quarter, yeah
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: right a yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Score In twenty two, Ohio State had C. J. Stroud
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: got the ball back with about seven minutes left I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: think trailing, and they they had a long I think
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that was a long Trayvon Henderson touchdown run to win
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that one. And then last year they had to have
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that that big goal line stand to get out of there.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: This is Penn State needing one more play and eventually,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're knocking on the door, eventually you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: will not you know, will it be this year, will
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it be next year? Well, they don't play for a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: couple Yeah, it is a couple of years that they
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: don't play Penn State. But you know, so so if
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: not now, when is, well it might be might be
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a minute.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I think the other thing, the reason Natty or Bust
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: is not used is because no players or no Penn
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: State players or no Penn State coaches have said that
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: this is an Ohio State Denzel Burt, Yeah, I think
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that's why that that phrase has come up and to
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: to Ohio State, and it's just become this. Everybody was
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: saying it last year about Ohio State, and while nobody's
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: saying that phrase about Penn State. For one, it's because
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: one it's Penn State. And I don't know if nationally
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: are they viewed as Ohio State. Last year, because I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: don't think they are people that are just looking at
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the big ten. They're saying, you know, sure, but I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: don't think people see them in the same light as
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: they saw Ohio State last year. And again, if Nick
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Singleton comes out and says Nattier, bust baby, yeah, then
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: oh it's gonna go crazy. But if you don't say it,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: then there's no reason to to talk about Like, hey,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: if I were to go James last year, Denzel Berk
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: said Nattie right, yes, yeah, it's like, well that doesn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: apply to us. Do we want to worry? Sure?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, do you want to There's plenty of pressure
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: on them already. And it wasn't Ryan Day who went
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: out and said that, because you know, Denzel Burk's off
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the NFL one way or the other. And you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: if if it is bust, if it isn't Natty, then
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it's bussed. And then you're you're you know, what does
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: bust mean? Does bust mean that everyone? You know, you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: need to fire the whole coaching to have I mean,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: James Franklin I think has a substantial amount of time
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: left on his contract, so that's probably not going to happen.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: At least for their four And if please remove that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: comment from Troy V about the three straight because I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: wanted to be the one to let everybody know that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it was nineteen forty forty one forty two. For the listener, Tom,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I have let them know. Yeah, for the viewers, I've confirmed.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Troy has cheated off of Tony's paper apparently, Yes, nineteen
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: forty forty one and forty two.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Just because he could get to Wikipedia faster than me.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So there you go. So there's there's the answer to that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: One interesting angle to the Penn State interviews today was
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the impact of Jim Knowles beyond just the defensive side
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of the thing, because James frank Drew Aller talked about
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this a bunch, But James Franklin also talked about the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: fact that you know, you you do self scout and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you try, you try and be as brutally honest with
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you can as you can with yourself about Okay, where
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: are our strengths, where are our weaknesses? Where did we
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: make a mistake? What are we not seeing? But you're
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: doing it to yourself. And he said, you know, these
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: people you work with, these people you see every day,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: These people are your friends, so you're maybe you might
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: pull your punches a little bit. Having Jim Knowles come
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in when he was the one who had to stop
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Penn State last year and where he did stop Penn
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: State last year, he said, Jim Knowles can come in
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and just say throw the throw the game plan down
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: on the on the desk, say here's our scouting report.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Here's what we saw. Here's our evaluation of your players.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And Ohio you know that was internal Ohio State documents.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: That's not that's not you know, it was not something
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that Ryan Day was going to fax over to Penn
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: State afterwards. It's you know, this is this is not
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Ohio State pulling any punches. This is just here's our
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: honest assessment of your team. What we saw about your team.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe tendencies you might not be aware of.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe uh, you know, things that you know, we don't
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: think your your team can do. That's incredibly valuable. That's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you can you can learn so much from that in
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: terms of what you know, what Penn State is you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: is going to be working on this season. But also
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: now Ohio State's kind of starting from scratch because now
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Penn State, you know, Penn's State has all of their
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: answers from last you know, from the last test key,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: so now they're going to make up a new test.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you're talking about self scouting, a lot
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: of times that's gas. It's analyst and you're trying to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: get it done.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: QC guys do that. That's one of the main Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: The week of a bye week, they're bye week's last year,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: we're week three. And then like a month later and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: now this is Jim Knowles coming in. It was like, yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that's fine. QC guys did a great job. Here's what
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: we saw in studying all of those games and where
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: we thought we can attack Drew Aller and where he
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: necessarily couldn't attack us. And I think it's it's similar
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to when Bill O'Brien was Ohio State's offensive coordinator for
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. He gave Ohio State right day
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a perspective. You know, it's it's almost like hiring a consultant.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Ye take a look, see what you say, what you think,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: tell us about it, and.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Hiring the bobs only one of the best.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And so Jim Knowles gets to Penn State, he's like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you know, here here's what we found. Uh what you will,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: but let me talk to you about it. And Drew
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: l I found it very enlightening. And you've got to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: be a pretty confident and a complete person and good
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to be like, here's a file of what we would say.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I don't want to call them your false but these
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: were where we thought we could take advantage of your
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: lesser strengths.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Why why is the word sucks in the title of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: this this word document? Well, but yeah, so now now
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you have that to work off of. And he also,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen a lot of questions about Penn
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: State's wide receivers and I definitely, I definitely get it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: We all saw the uh, you know, Omar buddy, Omar Austin,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: do they have the wide receivers to do anything of substance?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And the answer is, you know, shake your shake your
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: magic eight ball and answer unclear, comeback later, ask again later.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That's kind of where I am with that. Where they
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: last year they brought in transfer wide receivers and one
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of them was Julian Filming from Ohio State, But they
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: also brought in was it Dante Cephas from Kent State
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: last year that didn't work. At all. They got to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a point where you're in the Orange Bowl against another
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: name and your wide receivers have zero catches for the game.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That's almost impossible to do. Ohio State hasn't done that
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: since what the twenty eleven Illinois game where they completed
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: one pass and it was a touchdown to Jake stone Burner.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: That's almost impossible to do. They almost can't be They
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: almost have to be better. They almost can't be worse
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: than they were last year. And you know you don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: have Tyler Warren, so that's going to be You're going
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to have to figure out your tight ends. And you
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: know they have tight ends. They have guys there. It's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: not like they haven't been recruiting tight ends. But I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly, you know, on the spectrum of from one,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: which is where Penn State was last year in terms
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of wide receivers, to ten, which is where Ohio State
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: has mostly been with under Brian Hartline, I don't know
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: if they're a four or a six or a seven.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think they need to be a ten. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: don't know there need to be a seven if they're
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: just a five, given how good the running backs are
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: given what the offensive line should be. That's and given
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: how good the running backs are out of the backfield too,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that you know, they just have to be decent I think,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to get them potentially to where they need to be. Right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So here's who they've added. Trevor Payning you from Syracuse
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: eighty four catches nine hundred and forty one yards nine
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: touchdowns last year, Karen Hudson from USC thirty eight catches
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty two yards three touchdowns last year.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And DeVante Ross from Troy seventy six catches thousand and
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: forty three yards eleven touchdowns. Now, how does Troy translate
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to Penn State? And has not gone well for Penn
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: State going smaller? Yeah, of course it didn't go well
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: for Penn State going from Ohio State state either. But
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: three guys that are veteran and productive three year guy
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: for year. Guy Trevor Panning I think is going to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: be a six year guy. So guys that have seen
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: it and done it, and two of those have done
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it at a Power five, Power four program, so they're
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: going to be better than they were. I still want
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to see Drew Allerb a guy that attacks with receivers
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I think the crutch last year was Tyler Warren and
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it was fancy and it was like a briefcase as
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: wheels at motorized briefcase. He just ride right. I think
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: these receivers need to be certainly more involved. I want
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: to see Drew Aller make use of them in a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: way where he's comfortable doing it, and downfield as well,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: because that was one of the big things last the
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: lack of downfield throwing, the lack of downfield completing. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: this year if that's an issue again, it can't be
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: just because the defense is playing too deep so we
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: can't throw the ball. It's got to be more than that,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: especially when you have such a creative offensive coordinators total and.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Will do so much creative stuff. But sometimes it's like, yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that's really different to put your you know, a guy
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: who's an offensive lineman in motion, to you know, change
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: your blocking angles. But did that actually do you know?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: You gained three yards? So like it was creative, but
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: did it work? Like, eh, it'll be I think the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Drew Aller ken Drew Aller take the next step is
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: kind of one of the interesting questions because they did
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: have Tyler Warren as just the you know, in the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: same way that Ohio State kind of has the Jeremiah
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Smith do something cool play like that was Penn State
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: had the Tyler Warren do something cool play where it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just like lineup as a quarterback. You can run the ball,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you can throw the ball, you can catch the ball
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: if you want to throw the ball to yourself. We
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: don't care. Like he was kind of their cheat code
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: last year. Now he's gone. Now, you know, now they
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: do have to Maybe that simplifies things a little bit
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: where it's just okay, lean on your very good offensive line,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: lean on your very good running backs. And Jims Tarnqulin
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: talked about the fact that their one pass mix in
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I think last year was something like fifty seven forty three,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: fifty seven percent rushes forty three passes, and he, you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it's he gave the same speech that we hear over
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and over from coaches that run pass balance doesn't mean
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. It means you're able to do either
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: one in any situation. And I don't know how well
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: they were able to pass at times last year, but
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I don't again, how much of that was running rde achievers,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: how much of that was quarterback and Ken Drew Eller
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in his third year take that next step. Where there
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: were times Drillard had statistically a really good season, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: every once in a while it was like, oh, what
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: was that. You'd see throws that were like that wasn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: even close to the right spot. When the season ending
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: interception was another one, it was like, oh that was
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that was four bad choices at once. Can he take
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that next step this year?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And you don't have to be the best quarterback
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: in the nation. Will Howard won a national championship Ohio State.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Think of the quarterbacks that they've had out of won
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: national championships. Now, again, these are the olden days of
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, with Cardale Jones in two thousand and two
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: at Creig Crinzell. Neither of none of those three guys
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: are on Ohio State's Mount Rushmore.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Former NFL starting quarterback Creig Crenzel.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Crek Crinzell from the Chicago Bears. So you just need
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to have a guy that I'm tired of saying it
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and people are tired of hearing me say it to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the routine things routinely. That's the Ryan Day thing. That's
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: what he wants from his quarterbacks. Drew Aller can do that,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: then good job. At some point you're going to have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to win a game as well, and that's something where
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and it can't just be Michigan State or Oregon. It's
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: gonna have to be something in the postseason or the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Ohio State thing. But again, you beat Ohio State, what
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: do you do after that? Because you're still yes, you
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: got over the hump that, but then you still have
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this big hill of the College Football Playoff. And as
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: we saw from Ohio State last year, they didn't beat
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Michigan but they went on to win the College Football Playoff.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think they'd rather switch those two things?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: No? No, I think it would be interested in, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a real like sodium pentatholic kind of poll of Penn
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: State fans right now. Would you be happy with a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: season where you beat Ohio State but don't win the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: national championship, don't win the Big Ten? Would you be
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: happy with a season where you beat Ohio State and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: win the Big Ten championship but don't win the national championship?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Or you know, if you does it absolutely require all
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: three or if you lose to Ohio State, you have
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Ohio States and you lose to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the buck Eyes. You lose, you don't go win the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game, but you do win the national championship.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Would you be happy with that? I tend to think
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: if you're not happy with the national championship, then go
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: play intermurals. Brother, Like it's that's that's the ultimate goal.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And so if you're not happy with that, you may
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: just not be happy anymore. And that's you know, that's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: not a great place to be.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I think there would be some We've talked about the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: move of the goalpost of what constitutes a big game,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and there would certainly be some like you beat Ohio State,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that's fantastic, but then you don't capitalize it. You've wasted
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: that win against Ohio State. The orbit situation where you're
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: just you're just not going to be happy until you
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: have that national championship, and that's I get that. But
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: maybe it's not necessarily baby steps, because you don't be
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Ohio State with baby steps. But that's a good first
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: step and something that I think it would be interesting.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Now I can't score, we can't go on Twitter and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: just say hey, Penn State fans, because that's not our following,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: but it would be interesting to see what they would say.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, sort of the interesting question is, Okay,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: if they don't hit their goals this year, what does
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: that mean? And Jeff wants to know. Franklin's awesome. Just
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: ask him. Does he survive if they lose again this
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: year and a non playoff win. Yes, the answer is yes,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he's not. He's not going anywhere unless he chooses to
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: go somewhere. But he has I don't know. He just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: signed a contract extension a couple years ago, and I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: think it was a long one. I think it's I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: think he's going through at least twenty thirty, twenty thirty two,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Send you a countract extension in twenty twenty one.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, so he's got twenty thirty one, So
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: there you go on average. I was right, and you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: know that's a you know, the buyout in twenty twenty
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: one was sixty four million dollars, so you know, you're
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you're not quite halfway through that, so you're looking at say,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars. I hate to break it to you.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: College athletic departments are not exactly flesh with cash right now,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and if you are, you're spending it on stuff that's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: not spending, you know, handing someone thirty five million dollars
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: do not coach a football team anymore. So if he
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't win the national championship this year, he will come
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: back and try to do it again next year. But
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's about as far as the consequences are likely
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to go there.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And it's similar to some of the talk about Brian
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Day last year. If he doesn't do this, do you
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: fire him again? You can't. You can't. It would be
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: shocking if you fired a head coach who's consistently in
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the top ten making the playoffs, certainly now making them.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: As at some point I would. I would view it
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: more as both parties just come to this realization like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: it's not working out or James Franklin, I just don't
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: see him being fired for doing something that is incredibly difficult.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: That how many active coaches now have national championships Kirby Smart.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And Jebbo's three. So that's it is. It is a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: very high bar, and that's we had someone on our
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: board today talking about the fact that Ohio State wins
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: one national championship every decade, and that's just not often enough.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, the threat, the threshold that he set
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: was they should be winning one every four to five years.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And I went back and looked, and the only school
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to breach that standard in this century is Alabama, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that took literally the greatest coach in the history of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the sport. And that's not you know, that's that's not
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a standard that anyone other than the Stabment is going
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to reach probably ever, like that's it's easier now to
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: win more than one national championship in a decade for
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a school like Ohio State because they're going to make
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the playoff virtually every year, so you're gonna have a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: shot every year. But it's also now harder once you're
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in to win, you know, Nick Saban, under the current situation,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the current set up he was in virtually every year
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in a two or four team playoff, it's harder to win.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: So under the current situation, Ohio State probably wins more.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Nick Saban probably wins less, but you're not winning. You know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: if Ohio State starts winning a national championship every five years,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that that would be one of the greatest runs in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the history of the sport, like period, full stop. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I think people would look at the you know, boy,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: then one of three years, like this senior class is
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: about to graduate without a national championship? What do they
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: have to do to fix that? And you know, how many?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: How many championships do you want? The answer is always,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you know, deep down, the answer is always more.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've seen some great Ohio State teams that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: were not national champions twenty nineteen team where there's that's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that's the real history of Ohio State is a lot
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: of good teams that weren't national champions. And you say
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Ohio State wins won every ten years, that's only the century, right, Like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, they went thirty five years, thirty four years
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: between because we're not counting nineteen seventy between national championships.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: So and they had a bunch of really good teams
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in that stretch.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Right yeah. So this is this is only a recent
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: thing to recent last twenty twenty plus years.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And it's that's kind of modern college football where you
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: start to get into John Cooper introducing like national recruiting
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and then throwing the ball actually well throwing the football
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and they're actually being a national championship game. That was.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you can kind of draw a line at
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight where it wasn't you don't have split
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: national championships any well, you did it at least once
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: after that because twenty and one three it was the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: USC and Oklahoma, Yes national championship that year, but you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: go you go much further back and undefeated Penn State
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four didn't get a chance to play
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: for a national championship. Why they were undefeated, They absolutely
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: curbstomt Ohio State that year. They rolled everyone, except they
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: had they give up too late touchdowns to Indiana, so
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the score looked close, and so voters went, well, they
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: were had a close win against Indiana, dropped them in
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the polls, and then and then Nebraska, Nebraska jumped them,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and then Penn State never got a chance to play
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Nebraska in the head. So it's hard to compare that
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: era of college football to the modern the modern era
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: of college football. So yeah, and you know, Lisa says,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: most college and most coaches, unless you have actually won
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a national championship, you don't really know how hard it
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: truly is.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: To do it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I think there's a certain that's that is both true
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and also maybe the absolute inverse of that, where boy,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I bet James Frankler would tell you he knows exactly
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: how hard it is to win a national championship because
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: he's had some very good teams and not gotten. He
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: hasn't even gotten the national championship game, and he's had
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: some very good teams. So that is I think both
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: true and also not entirely true. So let's let's run
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: through some of the questions that we've We've got saved here.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Luke wants to know. Is the regular season Penn State
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Ohio State game the litmus test and this would be
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the litmans test for Penn State. Seems like that's been
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: reflective of their postseason chances every year where it just
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen for them.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: That's I'm just trying to bring up their schedule real quick,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: see when exactly that is, because is that it's it's
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: November first, so they've got stuff before.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: They got the Oregon game at home, which I believe
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: is the white out game.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: But still I do think it is when at Ohio State,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: if they get that win, then they've got all kinds
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: of momentum, people will believe in them. They've had they
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: got a week off before that to get it done.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: They have four weeks off before that to get it done.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, their schedule is Nevada, Florida International, Villanova off
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: week and then Oregon and then after that they have
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: at UCLA in Northwestern and then they have to go
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: to Iowa.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: This is very set up.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: This is and then after Iowa they've got an off
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: week before they have an off week before Oregon and
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: an off week before Ohio State. This is you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: unless you get the Indiana schedule where you don't have
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to play you play one good team all year, this
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: is as set up for success as they can be.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: So you know, you can you can look at this.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: You look at the talent returning, You look at the schedule,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and it's like, if not now, when.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And if they be to Ohio State, then I don't
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: see them losing another game in the regular season.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: What about the ultimate down spot the follow up week
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: at home against Indiana.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Well see, and the good thing is they've got at Iowa,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: which could could be like a look ahead if Ohio
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: State was the following week, but it's open week Ohio State.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So I think it's almost like the schedule was put
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: together this year knowing that this Penn State team is
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: going to look like they do and this is what
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the SEC does for And James Yes even talked about
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that today where the Big Ten is starting to schedule
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: help their top teams like the SEC has done for
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a long time.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I think back to twenty nineteen and that Ohio
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: State team that had the Big Ten handed them a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: schedule where the final two weeks of the season were
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Penn State at home and then at Michigan and then
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: having to play Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship game.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: And Ohio State played Penn State at home and they won.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: They played Michigan on the road and they won. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: then they came in beaten up to the Big Ten
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Championship game and they had the audacity to be beaten
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: up against a physical Wisconsin team and have a sluggish
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: first half and that was enough where then LSU jumped
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: them in the polls to take the number one spot
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: going into the playoff and ls you got the first
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: round by against the Lincoln Riley Oklahoma team in Ohio
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: State had to go play Clemson. Yeah, and that was it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And and so you know, the Michigan game not going
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to move. I don't want to. I almost said never,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know that I want to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: make any declarative statements about the future forever of college
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: football at this point. But it's probably not moving anytime soon.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: But man, you can you can put Rutgers the week
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: before that. You can put you know, I mean, I
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: don't think the Big Keen's going to schedule Mercer or
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the Citadel for Ohio State the week before then, but
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it has been done by the SEC. Like there's a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: reason that they that you see the SEC SoCon challenge
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that week, it is because you're you're setting yourself up.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And Ohio State has had has Rutgers before Michigan this year.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: They have had uh, you know, they had Indiana the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: week before, uh when when Indiana was not Kurt Signetti Indiana.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: They've had Maryland the week before a couple of times,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you know, by week before Penn State, by week before
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Penn State. This year, you know where it's a little
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: bit strategic where Ohio State and Penn Sate both have
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the week off before that game because James Franklin talked
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: about the fact that Alabama and LSU always have the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: week off, both of them the week before. You could
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: be strategic about this stuff. You don't have to just
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: sort of random draw and like, well, you know we're
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: going to we're gonna just you know, it's fair if
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: everyone has exactly the same chance at everything. And he said,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that's not reflective of reality. That's not how the SEC
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: does it. So he's you know, I think he's happy
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: about the fact that that's that's how they're they're doing
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: things now.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Ryan Day loved the idea of playoff expansion from four
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to twelve because it makes it easier to not be fired.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. James Franklin, same thing, loves the expansion. All of
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: these coaches weren't the safety of a larger playoff and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: an easier schedule and we don't need to get into
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the automatic qualifiers and things like that. Yeah, well, if
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: you require, like, if you reward easiness, then watch the
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: coach is revelent.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Right Yeah. Yeah, I mean you're going to get what
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: you incentivize, and right now that's what they're incentivizing. It's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the same conversation with the NCAA tournament expansion where you
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: look at any kind of feedback on NCAA tournament expansion,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and there are you know what, three hundred and forty
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: three people in America who are in favor of it,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and they're the all the head coaches in Division one.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Because then you can, well, we made the tournament. You
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: can't fire me. We have the same basic thing here.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I have put this comment from Lisa up about four
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: times and I don't think we've actually answered it. So
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: we're going to answer it now. She says it took
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Nole's three years to become what he was last year.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: He wasn't great right away, and that's absolutely true. But
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: when you look at where Penn State's defense was in
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and you look at where Ohio State's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: defense was in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, that's
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: very different. He's he's not digging out of the sub
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: basement right now. He's Jim Noles got to Ohio State
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: at a point where it was dig up stupid, that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: was kind of where that defense was. He's getting handed
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the keys to a defense that yeah, they lost Abdul Carter,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: but they have denied in a sudden. Yeah, they lost,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and they lost Kobe King, but then they still have
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Zaki Wheatley. They have you know, the linebackers should be good.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The defensive line on the holes should be good. James
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Ranklin talked about one of their defensive tackles being maybe
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: one of the best of the nation, Zan Durant. Yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and so you've got you have so many pieces, and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you know, this is already one of the better defenses
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: in the nation. If he just keeps some status quo,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they're going to be very you know, they're basically national
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: championship caliber, assuming the offense is better.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and James Jim Miles made the Ohio State defense
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: better that first year, but the big plays made it
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: to where they went from giving up twenty two point
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: eight points per game in twenty twenty one to twenty
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: one and twenty twenty two. But you could watch it
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and see that there are some better things. But then
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: in his second year, they went from twenty one points
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: per game his first year down to eleven point two
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: in their second year. So that second year things started clicking,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and they also got a little less aggressive, and they
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: changed some of the stuff that he wanted to do
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: and it worked out. But then last year, of course
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it helps also to have a ventured defense, but I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: not expecting a big dramatic increase because, like Jeremiah Smith,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: what do you do as a sophomore, There's only so
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: much room that you could do when a'd say was
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: already one of the best defenses last year.
• 46:30
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• 46:53
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• 46:57
  Speaker 1: from the teams that we're talking about, like this we
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: had we went through the college football playoff last year
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and had great conversations with Tennessee fans and Oregon fans
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and Texas fans and Notre Dame fans on these streams,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and we do gen genuinely appreciate having folks from other
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: teams providing some other perspectives as well. You know, they
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: say James Franklin brought back said, James Franklin is fantastic
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: at these events. I love talking to James Franklin because
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: he will just kind of you know, you may agree
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: or you may disagree, but he's gonna tell you what
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he thinks. He's not gonna he's not gonna tap dance
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: around it. He's gonna tell you what he thinks. And
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: he genuinely generally has reasons for what he's saying. And
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he has a very interesting perspective because number one, he's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: been at Penn State for they said I think they said,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you know it was twelve or thirteen years. It was
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: him and PJ. Fleck were the two today that I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: like audibly gasped when he's like, PJ. Fleck's been at
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Minnesota for nine years. I'm like, that's not right. How
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: does PJ. Fleck not know how many years he's been there.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: It's been like five right now. Franklin's been there a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: long time. But what he says is he and beel
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in Law are the two coaches who have coached in
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the SEC and the Big Ten and the perspective that
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you get from that because you've you've been in the room.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing we talked about with you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Jim Knowles kind of flopping the Ohio State game plan
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: on desk, like, here's what we really think about you.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: He's been in the meetings. They've been in the meetings
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: at the SEC. We think that this is how they
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: do it. Well, let me tell you, I've sat at
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the meetings. Here is how they do it. Here's how
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, here's the benefit that that brings. So that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: was that, and then quick follow up that Jeremiah Smith
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: had fifty five yards last game, Knowles, get be ready
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and motivated come November. Yeah, Jeremiah Smith's production. In the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: games where he does have big numbers, everyone just kind
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of ooze and ohs. And in the games where he doesn't,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: it's boy, Jeremiah Smith is going to want to prove
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: them wrong. Or Jim Noles, you know, yeah, yeah, I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: bet Jim Knowles would like to beat Ohio State. I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: bet I bet that would be that would be a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: who wants to beat Ohio State more this year? Jim
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Knowles or Home State kid Drew Aller or James Franklin.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, James Franklin. Yeah, yeah, he's because Jim Knowles is
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: he's fine whatever. It's not like he left. It's not
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: like he's he was fired. He chose to leave. Yeah. Yeah,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Drew Aller, he could have been a Buckeye if he
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: wanted to. James Franklin wants this one like nobody's business. Yep.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So Doug Doug would like to shame you into hitting
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the thumbs up. So listen, it's not me Doug. Doug
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: is saying you should hit the thumbs up, so strong
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: agree there. Yeah, Jim noles Super Bowl is in Columbus.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe Jim Nole's super Bowl, that's that's not it's it's
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: James Franklin's. Well I was going to say conference championship
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: game maybe, but that's that may literally be the conference
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: championship game. So maybe it's his NFL Divisional Round playoff game.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We haven't really I'm sure we will
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: talk about it later in the season. We have not
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: necessarily really talked about Jim Dalls coming back to Columbus much, right,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: because there's so much other stuff going on. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I'll have something under his sleeve.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, and having this is one of
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: these things. I want to talk to Ross Fulton, who's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: our exes and O's guru about this and maybe one
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: of our other extras and those guys as well. Ohio
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: State has spent the last three years going against Jym
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Knowles defense in practice. It's true, Jim Knowles has spent
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the last three years going against Ohio State offense in practice.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: So who does that provide more of an advantage to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Because you run into and I know that, you know that,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I know that you know situation, and yeah, you know
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: each other really well. I tend to think that that
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: might favor the defense, just thinking to like the Army
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Navy game where the two teams run a similar offense
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and they know each other so well that you know
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: everyone is, you're just you're just fighting in a phone
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: booth and it turned you know, that is the always
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: bet the under game. I wonder if that favors the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: defense in that case.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: The difference being, however, is that the Ohio State defense
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: depend State defensive players are not accustomed to seeing the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Ohio State offense all the time, like Jim Knowles right,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: whereas you over and over you see in practice, of
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: course you get better at it. So there's that aspect
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: where this is gonna be their first this is gonna
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: be Penn State's first time playing this high state team
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: That's that's true. And and yeah, so that's that's that's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a great point.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you, wrapped up the show.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It's just let's let's real quick hit a couple of things.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Jeff Frasier says, Ethan Fellas, did you lose Kevin? Know?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Kevin is? Has he already? Has he gone to the
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the co Come.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: On, there's a movie line.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: What Kevin, Kevin?
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: We forgot Kevin?
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Come on? Because, uh, the free food and drinks done
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: at the man A Bay starts right.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Sixth starts literally starts literally.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Already left to go do that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Yes he was, he was working on He's been working
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: all day. Yes, yes, he's been busy for once. We're
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: not saying anything mean about it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Uh, We're gonna run through a couple of these because
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: there are some great ones on here. Ethan Maxfield just
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: ask a favorite Ohio State versus Penn State moment, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: his suggestion was the Joey Bosa walk off sack to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: end it in two thousand. That would have been twenty fourteen, right,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I think that was? Yes, I was fourteen yep t
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: E thirteen appropriately with a tight end themed one JT.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: DeMarcus ball loudest have ever heard the horseshoot was that
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: was twenty and seventeen.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: That was what happened town, No, sorry, keep going.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: The answer to that is they gave up fifty five
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: points to Iowa. But that was one of the weirdest
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: atmospheres inside Ohio Stadium I can remember, because everyone remembers
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the everyone remembers the comeback win there. But that was
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: one where Saquon Barkley returned the opening kickoff for a
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: touchdown and Penn State's up by a bunch and there
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: were a bunch of penalty calls at Ohio Stadium, like
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: really didn't like and it was like it was like
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: an angry vibe more than an upset vibe. It was
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: like an angry and then they came back and that
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: was the game where you had Sam Hubbard tackling both
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley and was that trafficly No, that was that
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: was then Trace McSorley at that point, but he you know,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: he tackled both. He tackled both guys on a read,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and you know they come back and Johnny Dixon had
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a big touchdown in the game, and Marcus Ball had
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: a big touchdown in that game. And you got an
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: incredible picture on the field of Isaiah Prince. There's a
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: deep cut for all you long time Bucky Weekly heads,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: but it was it was.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Look at the numbers. O High State rush for two
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: hundred and one yards three for three hundred and twenty.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: They outyardeded them five to two eighty three.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Out gained them by two point two point four yards
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: per play. They outgained them every four plays. Ohio State
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: got a first down more than Penn State did.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Twenty seven first down to seventeen for Penn State, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: they needed Ohio State needed nineteen points in the to
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: win the game.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: It was twenty one to three Penn State. But early
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: second eighteen, eighteen minutes and twenty seconds into the game,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it's twenty one three Penn State. And then it's twenty
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: eight ten in the second Yeah, yeah, twenty eight ten
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: with like five minutes left in the second yeah, and.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Still thirty five in the fourth quarter.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Yeah, that's that's crazy a touchdown. So yeah,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: two Johnny Dixon touchdowns in the fourth course.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: So answer the question, because to me, it's that Joey
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Bosa won. I don't even know if it's like the
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: biggest walk off because I think the Sam Ibard thing one,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: but it comes down to this one. And then for me,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: it's the the Benjamin Victor laid who twenty eighteen with
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: yeah from Dwayne Haskins scoring the touchdown there at the
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: end that you got to see live on the field,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: but I watched from the tunnel, yes, and then you
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: can actually see it happen until we saw because we're.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: No no that the Dwayne Haskins to Ben Victor. I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: was in the tunnel with you, Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: We're just watching tunnel because we weren't allowed on the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: field because it was so late, and so our view
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: from the tunnel is just the end zone and.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: There's nothing in the end zone, and there's kind of
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: like a roar, and then it kind of gets quiet,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: and then but there's nothing's happening, and all of a sudden,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: there's an official backpedaling in the end zone. I was like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: that's weird, and then all of a sudden, Ben Vector
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: shows up and it's like, oh I get it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Then yes, Then afterwards I think we finally got to
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: see the play like before the postgame interviews on the
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: television in one of the media rooms. Yeah, oh now
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I understand. Yeah yeah, uh.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Two people on a thing on different sides here agreeing
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the Penn State sports box as I like the Saquon
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: kickoff and Mozart's ghost who was an Ohio State fans
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: saying that Saquon kickoff return, It's a perfect way to
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: open the game. Yeah, it that was. There's been some
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: drama in that series. There's also been some plenty of
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: whiteouts in that series. Ethan Maxfield says, well, was Ohio
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: State the first team to get the white out game?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: The first white out game I remember? I don't rememberumber
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: maybe the maybe Penn State SportsTalk can fill us in.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: The first Ohio State Penn State whiteout game I remember
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: was two thousand and five, and that was the one
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: where it was ended up seventeen ten and Tomba Halle
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: came off the edge and like flipped Troy Smith upside
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: down for a game ending sack. On that one. That's
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the first one I remember, but.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: The groundswell started in two thousand and two, but they
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: list here on Wikipedia two thousand and four being the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: first one in Ohio State would have been the next one.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But that was the first one that they lost, the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: first one against number nine Perdue in two thousand and four. Boy,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: that is a sequence of facts I would not have
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: come up within a million years.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: So then they lost to Ohio State in twenty twelve,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: lost to Ohio State twenty fourteen. Six they beat him
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: at sixteen, of course with the crazy especial teams planned,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and of course lost in twenty eighteen. No white out
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Times you were there, I was the firm.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, there was no white out. There was no idea
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: that was. There were a couple times in that twenty
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: twenty season that I was at a game and I thought,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: this is deeply weird being at a night Penn State
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: game the weekend I think that was the weekend of Halloween,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: was it, I think it was. If it wasn't, it
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks after the schedule, but slid
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But to be at Penn State and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: to be able to get a hotel room in Happy
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Valley for like no money and then have a seven
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: minute drive over to campus and just sort of get
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: dropped at the stadium and walk in and be in
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the press box and it's dead silent outside. It's like,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: this is not what this was like two years ago,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah it is. And then they haven't had a
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: they haven't been the night game white out there since then.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: It's been Big Noon. Just in case you think Ohio
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: State fans are the only ones that are not big
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: fans of Big Noon. So there you go. There's your
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: little brief, brief trip through the white out history. Lisa
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: says that Illinois game is going to be interesting. That's
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the Ohio State Illinois game. Do you think we'll end
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: up getting stuck playing in crap weather like what usually happens? Well,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: isn't that a Is that that's a November game or
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: is that October?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's October because we we's like mid October,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: thinking like, yeah, the weather shouldn't be bad enough. It's October. Yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: that should still be in the sixties. But if it's raining,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: then the sixties is going to be cold. But tom,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: I think it won't be as bad as as the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Northwestern Hurricane game. But Illinois, Illinois, it's it's never it's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: hardly ever great. But it's been since what twenties, seventeen.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Sixty, No, at least. Yeah, I've been back on the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: beat since seventeen. They were supposed to play in twenty twenty.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: That one got canceled because of a COVID outbreak for
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. I don't think Ohio State has been said
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: there since fifteen or sixteen fifteen, Okay, we'll see. Yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's been a while. So, yeah, they
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: assume that it will be windy. Brett Byalm we talked
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: about the fact that, you know, Brett Boliman yesterday was
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: talking about just you know, I casually mentioned how windy
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: it can get there, and yeah, twenty fifteen they won
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: twenty eight to three. Yeah that was that was Ah
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: it is Can you believe that? I mean, for for
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: years and years and years, like well I was in college,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that was Ohio State's longest running series. They played Illinois
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: more consecutive years than they had played Michigan. And now
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: this is the first time Ohio State's going back there
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in ten years. Tim says they stopped doing the white
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Out versus Ohio State. Yeah, not willingly, they didn't. That's
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: that that is not their That is not their choice.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: That is our friends at the Fox Broadcasting Network making
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: that choice for them. Yeah, Mozarts cost As petitioned to
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: bring back the night Whiteouts produces classic games. They're gonna
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: have one. They have had it other in recent years.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: They just had it against Minnesota a couple of years ago,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: they had uh, and they've got it against Oregon this year.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: So that one should be an absolute banger that that
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that one is a circle it on your calendar. I hope,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I hope Ohio State has noon kickoff that week. I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: don't remember who they play, but I hope a High
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: State is a noon kickoff so we can get home
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in time to watch. It's I think it's Halloween. Wee
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: can No, it's not one weekend that's uh, September twenty seventh.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Is that the weekend? That is that the weekend we're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: out at Washington.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yes it is.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: It is. Okay, Well, that's gonna be a.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Name versus the Night Well that three we're not gonna Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: A show, A couple of quick couple more quick ones
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: before we wrap up. Pennsate Sports Talks is how does
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Ohio State have open training camp practice and no other
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: team does? Very smart on their part to bring in fans.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: There's another big ten team that opens a week from
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: today that maybe it's Washington.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: So like you you were, he's he's talking about having
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: the bringing in the fans for to watch and that's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a new thing. Last year was the first year they
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: did that. Two years before. Yeah, yeah, it's it's been
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: a relatively recent thing and they'll do it for the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: first one to two or three practices. It's a chance
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to raise money for ni L was kind of the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: original people, So yeah, something like that. It's not you know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: it's not a huge crowd, and it's something that it's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a lot like the first couple of days of fall
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: camp are almost like Ota days in the NFL where
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: you can bring in fans and you know, you're not
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: doing you're not doing install for the Texas game or
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: anything like that. It's all very fundamental stuff. They're all
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: wearing shells, they're not in full pads, so you're not
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: you're not giving away any state secrets. So yeah, I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: do think that's a smart approach and I am a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: little surprised that that hasn't caught on everywhere. But I
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: guess you know how many how many people are going
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: to pay to watch Purdue football practice? I don't know,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: but Oregon, Michigan, Penn State, you would think you'd have
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: enough enough.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, unless unless the head coaches are just like whatever
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: it would make us, because this is gonna be like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: forty five thousand ish dollars a day. The head coach like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to say anything. I'll just check, yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Brian Kelly kind of check for a million dollars to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: their NI All fun. We just keep people away, you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: know how paranoid coaches.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Are are, all right? And so the last one, this
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: is from a buddy fort Wayne Bucket may have missed
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: it with all the comment here at Buckey Huddle, but
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: curious if coach Day talked at all about special teams.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I think he got And that's not he's disregarding special teams.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: It's just he goet asked so many different things. There's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: so much talk about nil that it just it kind
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: of like just didn't come up. There was It was
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: like we talked about the offensive line depth on last
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: night show. Yeah, it just didn't come up in conversation.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff that normally would get asked about,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: but with all this other sort of extraneous off field stuff,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: it just didn't come up.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: That's one of the frustrating things about this is when
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: you finally do get to talk to people and you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: get some questions in what it's done, You're like, I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: wanted to ask this, like talking with Ross Byork yesterday,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: both of us bro Yeah, actually I needed to ask
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: business and this. It's like there's so many things, so
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: many questions, so many answers, and then you can only
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: get so much of it. And then when you get
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: back to sit that you'd ask, you're like, I wonder
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: about crap.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a it is a you know, there's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: always something else to talk about, and you're having a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: conversation in a lot of these cases, so it's a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you're listening what they say and it's like, oh,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I have a question about that, and then you end
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: up chasing that and then it's like I wish i'd
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: ask him.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Because you got five minutes or you got three minutes
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because these are not people that have the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: opportunity to stand there and talk to you for an
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: hour and a half. It's just hey, before I go
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: talk to this, you know, I got to go talk
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: to Big ten network, but I got ten minutes right now,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: five minutes right now, so you can try and get
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: as much as much information as you can. Evening all
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: to the Rod Farva. You guys want coffee now, Lisa
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Simms says, I'm still watching some of the videos you've
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: posted on here. We put together. We have a ton
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: of stuff you can find if you want to watch,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: like raw press conferences of James Franklin or Drowler or whoever.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: We'll have those posted on the Saturday Glory YouTube channel.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: That's kind of like our national college football channel what
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: we have on the Buckey Huddle channel. And you guys
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: should check these out because these generally people find these
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: really interesting. I've been cutting together everything fill in the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: blank said about Ohio State, so everything the Ohio State
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: bluck guys talked about Michigan, everything the Ohio State pluck
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: guys talked about Penn State, everything they said about Texas,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: everything they said about Oregon. Separate videos on all those,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and then I'm starting to put together everything Drew Aller
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: said about Ohio State, because Dreau, I had a ton
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: to talk about it with Ohio State, because not only
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: do you have the getting over the hump questions, you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: have the benefits of former Ohio State defensive coordinator Jim
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Normal's kind of questions. You have the going back to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: his home state and playing in Ohio stadium questions. There
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: was even stuff with him He's from a Dinah, his
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: family is longtime Cleveland Brown's season ticket holders, so some
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's questions that I lumped in there as well.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: And I was voicing one of the things to sort
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: of transition between sound bites, and and I started saying
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: speaking of not being able to get over the hump
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: he's and I was like, Nope, that's too mean. So
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I took that one out. So yeah, it's like, I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: don't need to make anyone angry, that's fine. So but yeah,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: he had some really interesting stuff to say. He's a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: sharp kid, he's a smart kid. And you come away
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: from a lot of these things like I like that kid,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: like really like likable players, and like I love this
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: because you look at a lot of these guys and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, that's the quarterback who did this, or
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: that's the running back who did that. If you spend
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: half an hour with these guys, you kind of feel
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: like you start to get to know them a little
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: bit in the way that we know you know a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: lot of the guys in the Ohio State team. You
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: have a sort of flesh out the personality a little
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: bit more and sort of understand who they are, which
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: helps us do our jobs.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting. We were sitting next to Jerry
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: DeNardo this morning and ask him about you. So, what
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: do you think about the Ohio State kids? He's like,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: all the kids here are great. Yeah, and it's it's
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: a reward for being able to represent the university. So
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: you're not you're not getting any of the knuckleheads types
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: get thrown in here.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lista said, I love your sight seeing. Yeah,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I got up. I got a real early yesterday. I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: don't think I told that story. We don't need to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: tell that story. I got it very early yesterday morning
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: to go record a like walking up the Vegas Strip
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: video at sunrise, and uh, then got four miles up
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: from our hotel and my phone died, which then meant
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I couldn't take the bus back, and I was like, uh, oh,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: we have to I have to be bed interviews very shortly,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and so that I had to run down the Vegas
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Strip in not my running shoes. So yeah, that was.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm not going to tell a story.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's a story where I'm the idiot. So
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it's fine.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I was going to tell it anyway.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I'm fine telling that. Here's our buddy, David Turkleski, uh,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: past president of the OSU DC Alumni Association, good friend
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: of the show. Did you speak to the head official
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: or anywalls along those lines. If so, what did you learn? Yes,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: that was Bill Corolo. He was here on Tuesday. We
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: spent this is this is the thing that Tony and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I do that is maybe the dorkiest thing to do
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: all year, where it's just we just camp out and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: talk to Bill Corollo for half an hour or forty
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: five minutes however long, however long they will allow us
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to talk to Bill Corolla. We stand there and talk
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to Bill Corollo. I'll have a video with a bunch
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: of the interview clips from that at some point. I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten to that one yet. But we talked to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: him about some of the rules changes this year. The
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: biggest one has to do with the UH players faking
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: injuries and the punishments for that. And you'll you'll if
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: you're if a player goes down after the ball is
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: set for play, then their team is going to be
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: charged with a timeout. So you've got you've got. That's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: kind of the big rule change. There's some other stuff
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: in terms of alignment on special teams plays, and you
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: can't have anyone lined up between the snapper and the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: holder on a field goal or on a punt. You
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: can't have anyone directly in the line, directly in line
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: between them. They are not going to have any more
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: the call stands versus the call is confirmed on instant replays.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: That's one change. It's just going to be the call
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: is upheld because they basically basically said they were spending
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: an extra fifteen to thirty seconds sometimes trying to decipher, well,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: should this be call stands or should this be call confirmed?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: And he said, in the end, it doesn't really matter,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: it doesn't change the outcome, So set the ball down
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: and go play.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: When this was announced a few months ago or whatever
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: it was, I was like, what a cop out, you know,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: just but then the explanation of it makes sense, Like
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: why waste time with that, Let's just just keep going.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: List anything wants to know. Was there a CIF penalty?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: The Big ten is going to be monitoring more this
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: year than in years past. It wasn't.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: It's just the.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't you know getting off the field basically,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: he said, I think it was like in an athletic
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: in an athletic manner, so if you know, yes, if
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: the offense subs the defense, they will you stand over
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: the ball and allow the defense time to sub But
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: if your defensive linemen are walking off the field lollygaggers, Tony,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: if your defensive linemen are being lollygaggers, they will potentially
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: be penalized for that. So you know, there's that's that's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: not a rule change necessarily, but maybe a little bit
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: of rule interpretation change. Other than that, because he.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Even got up there, it's like there's not really a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: lot of new rules, no big rules, right. Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: He talked a lot about the some of the ways
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that they're you know that the officials are evaluated in
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that they they if you don't have a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: good season, you can be booted from the Big Ten
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: and they they will lose a couple officials to that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: every season, which you know, that's that's good, that's good. Well,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: they have a little bit of an arrangement with I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: think the Ohio Valley Conference and the MAC where you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: know they're not exactly farm leagues, but you do kind
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: of get called up to a certain degree, like the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: best MAC official. If there's an if there's a opening
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, you might be looking at bringing
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: the best MAC official.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Relegation.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, promotion and relegation in college football. It's finally here.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: It's with officials. There was Jeff Fraser wants and was
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: there any discussion about a certain team and a notice
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: of allegations or and that that certain team is here tomorrow.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: So and I have not really seen any Michigan media
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: that I know of here.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Angelique was here. Angelique was here. Fantastic.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: If you don't know Angelique Chinjellius, she is a Michigan
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: reporter that deserves a ton of respect, does a does
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: a great jobs, has been covering the team for a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: long time and does a does a phenomena.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: But I did not hear any questions about Michigan or
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: anything like that.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: No, you know, I put together a video about everything
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Ohio State said about Michigan, and it was a lot
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: less than normal. It was less less stuff you normally
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: see about that.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's because Ohio State won the national
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: championship without beating Michigan.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, maybe that it's that it's a little
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: less you know, And I mean there were questions about that,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and Jeremiah Smith talked about the fact that you know, yeah,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: you can, you know, you can win the National Championship
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: up beating them, But also that doesn't mean it's any
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: less of a rival, you sti't really want to beat them.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's maybe less important nationally, less important
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: to narratives, not any less important to players. And also
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Brandy showed that he can lose that game and now
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: get fired and so then like, well, what's the what's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: the point of talking about it if no coach is
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: going to get fired?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and Nate asked, what about the actually hurt
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: player limping off the field and goes down after the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: balls place or play. That's if you're or if you're
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: hurt before that, then they will treat it as you're hurt.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: You know that, then they would presumably not mark the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: ball for play if in official season a guy's hurt.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: So but then he also did say he also did say,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: like there are trends where certain certain teams keep having
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: players hurt, but they're gonna take things seriously. It's just
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: they're also gonna be watching out for it. The old.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Misssty tears because I'm hurt a sudden play. Yes, yeah,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: at least the ones to know. Do you think Day
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: is going to coach calm and relax this season?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Week two?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, week week one? I mean he's he is literally
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: counting the days to the Texas game, so he's he
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: is as locked in on that game. And and he
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: just he just beat him. It's not like this is
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: a revenge game. This is he just beat them. And
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: yet he's you know, this is I don't think. I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: don't think you get to be the head coach of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Ohio State or any major college football program without being
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: really competitive. And Ran Day is about as normal a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: human being as you can possibly be. Like, he is
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: a like could be your next door neighbor. Have you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: over for a barbecue kind of. I mean, like as
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: normal and well balanced a human being as you can
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: possibly be while also being a high level coach. But
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: also he wants to win. And also and also he's lost.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: He hasn't lost very much, but he's lost often enough
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: to know that your life in Columbus, Ohio is better
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: if you win football games as opposed to not winning
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: football game.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's also talked about he wants to join
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: what he Hayes is the only as an Ohio state
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: coach with multiple national championships, and so he's got that hunger.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: The players have a hunger of so many of them
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: weren't starters on a national championship team, and Caleb Downs,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the starters were like, yeah, that's last year. This is
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: this year. There's there's a ton of hungry people in
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: the program, and they is as hungry as anybody. He's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: not anybody that I think is satisfied with last year.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Like I always pointed to twenty fifteen team that came
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: back fat and happy. I don't to this point, I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: don't expect any of that this year. If they lose
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: to Texas, it's because Texas is very good. Go back
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and watch some of those games in twenty fifteen where
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: you're like, should you be this close to Hawaii and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: the third quarter type of stuff.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they were trailing Northern Illinois in the second half.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, yeah, this is that was a
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: team that those guys had done it and then they
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: came back. Yeah, this is a team where a lot
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: of those guys were there, but they weren't necessarily the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: guy who was doing it. So you know, some of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: those guys are there. I don't think Jeremiah Smith is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: going to be resting on his laurels either, speaking of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: people who did not get to the place that they
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: are by being complacent.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty fifteen team, it was just so odd because
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: so many of the major players on the twenty fourteen
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: team were second year so they had to come back. Yeah,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: they had no decision to make, and it's like they
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: were already their minds were already in the NFL. Out
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: of those guys.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and you kind of ran into that in nineteen
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: sixty nine as well, where you had the super Softs
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: and they won the National Championship and all they had
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: to do was you know, they went through a pretty
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: not very good big ten that season, and all they
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: had to do was beat Michigan and then and then
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: they happened and then they didn't. So and then the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: next year, all they had to do was beat stand
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: for Tony, and then they didn't. And yeah, it is
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: it is hard to maintain that level. And it's just
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it's also only one team gets to win the national championship.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: So it's uh, just because you don't do it two
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: years in a row does not mean that you failed
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: or that you It means it's hard to do so, Tony,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: speaking of people who are hungry, we probably need to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: wrap up, so we do appreciate everyone here joining us
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: for the evening live show here. We will be back
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. We'll have our usual what gonna what are
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: we gonna aim for eleven am Eastern time? Yeah, eleven
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: am Eastern time Thursday morning and our final morning show
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: here and then we will be back tomorrow afterwards as
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: well for another sort of final recap of the day.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Thursday is Michigan Day. It's also USC Day and Iowa
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Day and Michigan State Day and UCLA Day and Perdue Day.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I think the day.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, it can be our first time to hear from
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Barry Odom.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so, but I have a feeling I know
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: what the topic of most of the conversation on here
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: will be tomorrow, So we will talk about that.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: We will talk about the Michigan Wolverines potential news if
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: there is any on uh, you know, the notice of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: allegations someone asking about earlier. You know, they have some
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: on field stuff that's interesting too. They have a true
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: a true freshman quarterback who's supposed to be pretty darn good.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Gn me be interested to talk to Lincoln Riley see
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: what he's willing to talk about in terms of their
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: approach to recruiting and all that kind of stuff. It
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: can be a lot of interesting stuff to talk about.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: So we will be back here for that. But in
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: the meantime, if you want to talk to us, you
• 1:17:02
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• 1:17:04
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• 1:17:06
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• 1:17:08
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• 1:17:10
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• 1:17:13
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• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: That will do it for you today. Thank you guys
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: all for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: to you tomorrow.