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55KRC Thursday Show - Ken Kober, Todd Zinser, Joe Montgomery, Jay Ratliff · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 505-55KRC, the talk station. Friday Eve.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's kind of the way I feel this morning, Tally.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Strecker with the soundbite there. Appreciate it. Joe Strecker,
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: executive producer of the 55KRC Morning Show. My name is
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, host of the 55KRC Morning Show, and glad
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: to be here. What a wonderful day yesterday. Thanks to
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: everybody who made it to listener lunch. Fantastic time. The
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: owner of Turf Club was really happy. He opened for us.
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  Speaker 1: If I had this kind of crowd every day at lunchtime,
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  Speaker 1: I would be open every day. I showed up, I
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: got there about 20 after 11, usually starts about 1130,
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: rough time for listener lunch. And the place is already full. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you've been to Turf Club, you know
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  Speaker 1: it's not huge, but all the tables had already had
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  Speaker 1: people in them. And the great thing about that is
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  Speaker 1: when folks came in and saw that there was really
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  Speaker 1: no open, empty tables, They end up sitting down with
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: folks that they don't know and making friends. And we
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  Speaker 1: had some illustrations of that yesterday. And thanks to the
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  Speaker 1: couple who drove an hour and a half to make
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  Speaker 1: it to listener lunch. So cool. And, of course, Jack
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  Speaker 1: Etherton was there. If you didn't hear the big picture
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  Speaker 1: yesterday with Jack Etherton, just go to 55KRC. iheart. com. Get the podcast.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: Kind of funny. He got there a little closer to noon.
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  Speaker 1: And like five people had already asked me, where's Jack Etherton?
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: Where's Jack Etherton? It's like, I understand. Everybody's here to
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  Speaker 1: see Jack. Cribbage Mike won yesterday. Good morning, Mike. my
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  Speaker 1: submariner friend. What a glorious day it was, seeing friends,
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  Speaker 1: making friends, and enjoying that wonderful burger and onion rings.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: I fell off the no-carb, no-sugar diet plan yesterday. I
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  Speaker 1: allowed myself a day of indulgence, enjoying half an order
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  Speaker 1: of onion rings and, in honor of my wife, a
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  Speaker 1: lemon drop. And Mike, Listen, I think from a guy's perspective,
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  Speaker 1: a traditional male perspective, if you have a date and
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  Speaker 1: you are interested in a glorious evening with your date, men,
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  Speaker 1: take her to Turf Club and get one of those
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  Speaker 1: lemon drops in her. One is not enough. Two is
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  Speaker 1: too many. Three is not enough. You will definitely get
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  Speaker 1: a second one in there. And by that time, I'd
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  Speaker 1: say green light, pretty much a lock on that. This
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  Speaker 1: thing's really, really good.
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  Speaker 3: Anyhow.
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  Speaker 1: What's coming up today? Well, crime's down in the city
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  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. I don't know if everybody got the memo
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  Speaker 1: on that or whether you believe it or not, but statistically, statistically,
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  Speaker 1: they say, Interim Police Chief Adam Henney says, reviewing the
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  Speaker 1: statistics that they collect in downtown Cincinnati, the Weekly Strategic
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  Speaker 1: and Tactical Analytic Review for Solutions. That's a thing. Weekly
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  Speaker 1: Strategic and Tactical Analytic Review for Solutions. described as the
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  Speaker 1: tool the Cincinnati Police Department used to track neighborhood crime trends.
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  Speaker 1: Homicides are down 25% this year. And I guess I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that you could argue that that's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: I know the sense of safety in downtown Cincinnati is
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  Speaker 1: pretty slim. Most people believe that crime is up, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a sense that it's dangerous in downtown Cincinnati. We
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of illustrations and reasons to believe that
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  Speaker 1: to be the truth. But Apparently, the department recorded 39
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  Speaker 1: homicides this year so far, and last year we had
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  Speaker 1: already hit 52. Now, obviously, we've got some more time
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but Ken Kober, FOP president,
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  Speaker 1: is going to join the program coming up at 630
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the report regarding homicides being done in
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati and ask him if that is indeed the case,
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  Speaker 1: as maybe the number of homicides done, maybe different types
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  Speaker 1: of crimes have gone up. Property crime, for example, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where we are in property crime, Robberies
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  Speaker 1: are down nearly 20% according to statistics. However, strangulations and
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  Speaker 1: aggravated assault saw increases according to the report. And he says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we deal with one thing at a time.
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  Speaker 1: Homicides are down, good thing. But, you know, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to strangulations and aggravated assault at some further point. I
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  Speaker 1: can't talk about that. And I've got to scratch my
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  Speaker 1: head over the reporting, and I'm not really picking on
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  Speaker 1: any element. Fox 19 provided me the information about this
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  Speaker 1: analytical data. But can you make any sense out of this?
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  Speaker 1: Apparently he was talking about these walking directed patrols up 250%.
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  Speaker 1: Giving him credit, the police officer's presence in the more
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  Speaker 1: dangerous neighborhoods, neighborhoods I guess that have seen violence, perhaps homicides.
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  Speaker 1: Increase the patrols there. Patrols up 250% from last year,
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  Speaker 1: according to Interpol Police Chief Hattie. So what do we
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  Speaker 1: learn from that? Homicides down as a consequence of patrols
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  Speaker 1: being up. I guess more police means less crime, you
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  Speaker 1: left-wing nutcases out there that want to defund the police.
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  Speaker 4: Good.
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  Speaker 1: We learned something. But here's the question I have. Quote
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  Speaker 1: from the reporting. This isn't a quote from Hattie or
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  Speaker 1: anybody else. More than 3,000 officers. have worked those patrols
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  Speaker 1: this year. How many police officers do we have? Right,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have even 1,000. So maybe 3,000 patrols have
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  Speaker 1: happened this year? I don't know. But anyway, we'll maybe
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  Speaker 1: ask Ken Kober about how many officers we have. Test
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  Speaker 1: the statement from the reporting there. Anyway, Citizen Watchdog, Todd
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  Speaker 1: Zinser in Studio 705. Todd Zinser is brilliant. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy spends his retirement crunching numbers and looking into, well,
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  Speaker 1: the failures of everything that we know about city government?
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  Speaker 1: Todd Zinsser does that. Former U.S. Inspector General now putting
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  Speaker 1: his talent and intellect toward dealing with what I like
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  Speaker 1: to refer to as shenanigans in downtown Cincinnati. So we
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  Speaker 1: get a full hour of power with Todd Zinsser. 8.05,
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  Speaker 1: Patriots landing. Joe Montgomery returns to talk about a Veterans
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  Speaker 1: Remembrance event coming up on the 15th. And it being
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  Speaker 1: Friday Eve, Jay Ratliff, iHeartMedia aviation expert, talking about 9-11.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, what do you remember about 9-11? Where were you? That,
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  Speaker 1: of course, is tomorrow, the 25th anniversary, 9-11. And just parenthetically,
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  Speaker 1: I saw an article in the, I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal yesterday, and it reminded me of my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, mom and dad packed us up and
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  Speaker 1: took off and went to New York City, spent four
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  Speaker 1: days in New York City. Went to three Broadway shows.
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  Speaker 1: My sister was really into Broadway back then, so mid-' 70s.
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  Speaker 1: Pirates of Penzance, Sugar Babies, and I can't remember the
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  Speaker 1: other one. But we went to the Windows over the World,
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  Speaker 1: the top of the Trade Center, restaurant right up on top,
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  Speaker 1: and it was amazing. And there's an article about the
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  Speaker 1: people that used to work there and the number of
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  Speaker 1: people that died in 9-11 who were working there. Windows
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  Speaker 1: on the world. More than 70 windows on the world.
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  Speaker 1: Workers perished when the towers came down on September 11th
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  Speaker 1: back in 2001. But I do remember that meal. I
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  Speaker 1: do remember the view. And I have always sort of
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  Speaker 1: thought about that restaurant when I contemplate 9-11. What were
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  Speaker 1: you doing on 9-11? I was driving up to Indianapolis
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  Speaker 1: for a legal meeting. Remember it like it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I was listening to Bob and Tom My
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  Speaker 1: recollection of them is they were thinking that when it
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  Speaker 1: was initially reported that maybe like a Cessna had flown
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  Speaker 1: into one of the towers. Of course, quickly learned that
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  Speaker 1: that was not the case. All right, let's see here.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to, real quickly here, and it's
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: not related to anything that's been mentioned this morning, but
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: how do you know that you're on the right side?
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: You've been struggling with these left-wing nutcase issues like gender theory.
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  Speaker 1: Someone can choose their own sex in spite of the
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  Speaker 1: biological reality and chromosomal reality. How do you know that
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  Speaker 1: you were right all along? You get Democratic Senate candidates
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  Speaker 1: backpedaling on the nonsense that they previously espoused, James Tallarico specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Democratic Senate candidate. Remember, there are six genders, James Tallarico.
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  Speaker 1: Since he's facing Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in the
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  Speaker 1: Texas Senate race, And maybe he's just trying to appeal
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  Speaker 1: to Texas voters, but parroting left-wing nutcase ideology apparently is
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: not the way to do that. He's backpedaling. Asked whether
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  Speaker 1: he would vote as a U.S. senator in favor of
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  Speaker 1: a national ban on gender surgery for minors. He said, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: This is a different position for him. He claims he's
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  Speaker 1: been consistent on this issue, but no. When he was
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  Speaker 1: a Texas House of Rep member in 2023, he voted
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  Speaker 1: against a state bill titled SB14, which prohibited gender surgery,
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  Speaker 1: puberty blockers, and certain hormone treatments for minors. Now, he
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  Speaker 1: claims he was just trying to get an amendment to
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  Speaker 1: narrow it down, but he ultimately voted against it. All
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  Speaker 1: these amendments were shot down, so you're left with, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to ban minors getting gender surgery treatments, or
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  Speaker 1: do you not? He did not. Pivoting over, he acknowledged
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  Speaker 1: that men and women's sports, a significant issue in Texas, quote,
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  Speaker 1: I oppose trans athletes playing in girls' sports if it
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  Speaker 1: risks safety or fairness. All right. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that's much of an if, since you and I could
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  Speaker 1: probably make pretty good arguments that in all cases, at
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  Speaker 1: least if it involves physical contact, contact of any type,
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: then a much larger man relative to a woman's size
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  Speaker 1: would represent safety or fairness risks. In 2021, he opposed
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  Speaker 1: SB 29, which sought to require public school athletes to
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  Speaker 1: compete based on their biological sex listed on the birth certificate.
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  Speaker 1: He called the issue a manufactured problem and voted against
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  Speaker 1: HB 25, which enacted similar restrictions in the Texas law.
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  Speaker 1: So he's on record as voting a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: Look what happens. Now he's a Senate candidate, and he's
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  Speaker 1: got to run in Texas, and he's got to make
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  Speaker 1: a play on the national stage, too. He's backpedaling. See,
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  Speaker 1: you were on the right side all the time. All
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  Speaker 1: the time you were screaming to the radio, these people
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  Speaker 1: are crazy. These people are nuts. No one's standing next
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  Speaker 1: to them challenging their ideological nonsense. But when you're in
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  Speaker 1: a battle with the opposition politically, you got to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Amy Acton? How come she won't debate Vivek Ramaswamy?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you could talk about issues like that. Wouldn't it
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  Speaker 1: be nice? So you knew you were right. Doubling down. Fat, queer,
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  Speaker 1: communist activist. Yet there's one in the news on that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You're not as crazy as you thought you were.
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  Speaker 1: You have a great barometer to judge craziness. Wait till
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  Speaker 1: you hear what the self-described black, fat, queer, and acro-communist
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  Speaker 1: had to say. Don't go away. It's like an entry
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  Speaker 1: to the stack is stupid early. More and more. And plus,
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  Speaker 1: a $ 5, 000 check coming your way if the Republicans maintain
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  Speaker 1: control of Congress. I don't know where the money's coming from.
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  Speaker 1: I think Congress, with the power of the purse, might
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  Speaker 1: have something to say about that. And it does come
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: in at a price tag of $ 1. 3 trillion. So what
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump offered you last night, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: believe it, that's fine. It just seemed like an illustration
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  Speaker 1: of buying some votes, or at least attempting to. Don't
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  Speaker 1: go away. Feel free to give me a call. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK,
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  Speaker 1: pound 550 on AT & T phones.
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  Speaker 2: This is 55KRC.
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  Speaker 1: It is 521 on a Friday eve. Happy 1-2-U. Appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you tuning in to the 55KRC Morning Show. Remember, anytime
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: you can't listen live, podcasts are available at 55KRC. iHeart. com. Don't
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: forget the. iHeart. com part where you can get, well, conversations
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: from yesterday. Americans for Prosperity. Karl Marx football picks with
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  Speaker 1: Jack Atherton. That was great. And a full 45-minute conversation
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  Speaker 1: with Congressman Thomas Massey. Boy, it was just wonderful having
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  Speaker 1: him back on the program, and I'm dearly going to
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  Speaker 1: miss Congressman Massey. Yeah, where are the Epstein documents? Craziness.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Continuing the theme, you know you're on the
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  Speaker 1: right side of discussions when you are, well, dealing with
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  Speaker 1: the self-described black, fat, queer, and acro-communist. His name, Deshaun Harrison.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've never heard of him. I didn't either,
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  Speaker 1: but the back crap insanity. This is worthy of the
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  Speaker 1: stack of stupid. It's the Socialism 2026 conference going on
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  Speaker 1: in Chicago, I guess, over the weekend. On September 5th,
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  Speaker 1: making remarks to the panel. The panel discussion.
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  Speaker 5: Are you ready?
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  Speaker 1: Health, fascism, body politics, and the anti-state state. Swirling questions
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  Speaker 1: of mine about who would even sign up for that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what in the hell am I getting myself into? But
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  Speaker 1: here you go. Here's what Deshaun Harrison had to say.
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  Speaker 1: And we're talking about GLP-1, the miraculous diabetes drug, which
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  Speaker 1: turned out to be a weight loss drug. Quote, the
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  Speaker 1: political deployment of GLP-1 is fascistic, not because individuals take them,
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  Speaker 1: but because the conditions under which they become necessary are
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  Speaker 1: shaped by a world fixated on genociding fat people. Does
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  Speaker 1: that make your brain hurt the way it makes my
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  Speaker 1: brain hurt? He happens to be an author. The name
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  Speaker 1: of his book, Belly of the Beast, The Politics of Anti-Fatness,
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  Speaker 1: as anti-blackness. I guess the first person in mankind's history
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  Speaker 1: who was able to connect fat and, well, I guess racism? Self-described,
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  Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Another made-up word, Afro-pessimist. Jay,
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  Speaker 1: what a look of meaning. Is that a Merriam-Webster definition
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  Speaker 1: for Afro-pessimist? also an acro-communist and trans-theorist. Something tells me
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  Speaker 1: there's probably a degree in trans-theorism at your university. Quote,
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  Speaker 1: this is a structural critique that asks, what happens when
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  Speaker 1: the conditions produced by capitalism, by public health, by the
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  Speaker 1: state apparatus, and by anti-black desire align around a single
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  Speaker 1: bodily ideal that leaves no room for divergence and punishes
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  Speaker 1: anybody that does? You clear? I mean, he connected the
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  Speaker 1: dots so wonderfully there, didn't he? But to understand why
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  Speaker 1: the deployment of GLP-1s is fascistic requires turning to Franz
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  Speaker 1: Fanon's account of the black flesh under colonial surveillance.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Without a population to discipline, there would be no body
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  Speaker 1: mass index, no obesity epidemic, and no medical or scientific
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  Speaker 1: institutions organized around managing fatness. Oh, so it's the desire
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  Speaker 1: by the state and capitalism to control everyone, specifically, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: in his mind, black people, through what I have always
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  Speaker 1: perceived to be health advocacy, recognizing, as I do, and
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's a statistical fact, Obesity is connected with
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  Speaker 1: one-third of premature death. It causes cancer. It causes heart disease.
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  Speaker 1: It causes hypertension. It causes a multitude of illnesses that
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  Speaker 1: would not happen to the human if the person was
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  Speaker 1: not overweight. I didn't make this up. And no, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a doctor. I don't play on a radio. But
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  Speaker 1: I suppose, does anyone deny that obesity can be directly
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  Speaker 1: relinked to massive health problems having nothing to do with racism?
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  Speaker 1: Just pick a topic. If there's any division in the world,
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  Speaker 1: there's some nutcase, fat, an acrocap or communist, whatever this
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  Speaker 1: guy is. Queer and acrocommunist who's going to say it
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  Speaker 1: has something to do with race. You see how crazy
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  Speaker 1: the world is? You know the people who will bite
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  Speaker 1: their tongues and not even bring something this insanity, not
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  Speaker 1: even address the insanity of this poor guy. I actually
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  Speaker 1: kind of feel sorry for him. trapped in his own delusion,
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  Speaker 1: trapped in his own universe of, I guess, self-denial, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe looking for an excuse. He is a large person.
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  Speaker 1: He calls himself fat. He thinks the world is fat-shaming him.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe his struggles to deal with his own health-related issues
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  Speaker 1: and connections. Here we're talking about his weight. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 1: incapable of controlling his weight. I don't know. Maybe he
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  Speaker 1: has no self-control over the food he eats. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But see, he's pushing off any blame, which blame would
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  Speaker 1: be directed at the person in the mirror where it
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  Speaker 1: properly belongs. He's trying to push it out to the society.
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  Speaker 4: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: It's society's fault. Okay. Maybe an option for him is
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  Speaker 1: just quit paying attention to what other people are saying
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  Speaker 1: about weight being an issue with regard to health. Live
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  Speaker 1: in a state of denial. That's okay. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people do. Oh, mighty six. I'm sorry. 526-55-KRC-D-Talk-Stage. Let's get
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: us local stories or phone calls. Coming up next, 513-749-5500-800-823-TALK.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Pound 550 on your AT & T VFO. Meanwhile, AI
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: apparently is going to kill us all while I try
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to avoid that reality. We'll be right back. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Strecker, Internet Research Guru. Here's my definition. well, at
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  Speaker 1: least according to one website anyway. If you read it
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  Speaker 1: on the internet, it must be true. Afro-pessimism contends that,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll quote, and this is this black queer activist
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  Speaker 1: theory anyway, blacks are not human subjects, I'm just reading
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  Speaker 1: the quote, but are instead structurally inert props, implements for
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  Speaker 1: the execution of white and non-black fantasies and sadomasochistic pleasures.
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  Speaker 1: Close quote.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If you think it up and write it down, it
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  Speaker 1: must be a thing. Let's see what Tom's got this morning. Tom,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program, and a very happy Friday Eve
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  Speaker 1: to you, brother.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, good morning. The one word that just keeps coming
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  Speaker 6: to mind is stupid.
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  Speaker 1: That, yep.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: That crap insane?
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  Speaker 6: What are we talking about here? I was thinking of,
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  Speaker 6: I've got to make a list, and this is going
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  Speaker 6: to be a very long list. of all the things
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  Speaker 6: that cost way more than they should because of stupid people.
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  Speaker 6: We all have to admit, at some point in time,
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  Speaker 6: probably multiple times, we all did something stupid that cost
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  Speaker 6: us more money. We wound up having to fix something
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  Speaker 6: because we broke it because we're stupid. We're all guilty
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  Speaker 6: of this, but then there's just people who are stupid
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  Speaker 6: all the time. They want to get us all to
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  Speaker 6: pay for all this crap. They're fine with it. That's
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: the stupid part. We know this is going to cost
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: gazillions of dollars that we don't have, but so what?
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: We deserve this. No, you don't. You're stupid. You don't
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: deserve it. This is insane. And what the stupid part is,
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: is that they're too stupid to realize. And history has
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: proven this out. The farther we go down this road,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: the less there's going to be for everybody. There may
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: be a few fat cats at the top. They get
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: everything they want. But everybody else is going to have
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: to all, we're all going to have to suffer together.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: You're not going to have to worry about being fat
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: then because you're not going to have a lot of
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: food to eat. I mean, it's not hard to figure
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: this out. But if you're so stupid and so wrapped
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: up in your own self, you're not going to see
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: it because you're stupid. And so the dumbest thing, stupidest
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: thing you can do is vote Democrat. So please, people,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: don't be stupid and don't vote Democrat. Have a great day.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Tom.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: He always managed to shoehorn it in there one way
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: or another. And just because you have a graduate degree
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: from college does not make you smart. It just makes
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you hide behind made-up words that sound highfalutin but don't
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: mean a damn thing. Steve, welcome to the morning show.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Happy Friday Eve.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: Hello, sir.
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: Will you accept a call from a heterosexual Caucasian male?
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what the.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you know the answer is yes.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: That'd be two in a row, I guess.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But then again, that's not a line of inquiry that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Strecker engages in before he puts someone on the program, Steve.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: You know better than that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: I'm referring to what you've been kind of mentioning as
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: being a little bit weird.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: No, it's flat-out weird. Anybody out there who is sitting
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: on the fence wondering, do I say anything? This sounds
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: so insane. I'm a little worried if I say it's
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: insane that someone's going to attack me for it. No,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it's insane. It's just insanity.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: It's almost like giving $ 5, 000 to people if they'll vote
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: for keeping your party. And I am a Republican, but
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: some of the things that, I mean, my goodness, just whatever. Well,
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: we'll see how it plays out. You're not holding your breath, Steve.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You're not holding your breath for a $ 5, 000 check, are you?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I am not. Good.
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's doing what the Democrats do. He's just
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: blatantly doing it. I mean, you know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that may be the reason.
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, and we'll see what comes of it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: Probably not much. Listener lunch yesterday, the fifth one I've
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: been at, I was in the booth where I was
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: jammed in. We had five in our booth, and we
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: were right next to the table where Jack Atherton and Dr.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: J were sitting.
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: And so we're kind of boxed in there.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Good meal.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: I mean, the onion rings, like you said, I probably
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: should have eaten half of them. That's what I did.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: That kind of sat heavy, but they were so good,
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: you just kind of keep eating them. I wanted to
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: comment first on Dr. J. He's been nice to me
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: every time. The first time I ever went to a lunch,
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: I was by myself.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a nice guy.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: And he really was welcoming. And got to talk to
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Jack Atherton yesterday, just for a few seconds when I
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: was leaving. A couple of things about him. What a gentleman.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, the fact that, and I don't, I guess
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: it's the way I was brought up, but I am
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: walking by, you know, walking out of the booth and
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: introduced myself to him and just told him how much
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: I like his Wednesday segments. And I don't judge people,
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: but the fact that he stood up to talk to me,
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: just there's something about that. That's how I was raised.
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: And the fact that he introduced his wife to me
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: I thought was really nice, too. Again, that's just old school.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: And then I gave some reading material to Cribbage Mike,
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: so he'll enjoy reading about the submarines and stuff. So
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: good time.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It always is. I'm glad you were there, Steve. I'm
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: glad you enjoyed the good time. I'm glad you got
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to meet Jack. Jack is a true gentleman. There's no
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: question about it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: He really is.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: What he says on the radio and the way he
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: comes across on the radio, you talk to him in person,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: they're one and the same. He's a genuine human being that, well,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: has great morals, ethics, and traditional values. One of the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: reasons we all love him so much. Appreciate the call, man.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Great having you at lunch yesterday. It's 536. A quality
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: talk station. Happy Friday Eve.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: 513-749-5500.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: 800-823-TALK. 950 on.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: AT & T phones. Well, Cincinnati Inquirer is suggesting not
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: very strongly. Not pulling any punches. Ohio's governor race is
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: too close to skip the debate stage, says the editorial
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: folks over at the Cincinnati Inquirer. Plenty of understandable reasons
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: why Dr. Amy Acton might not want to stand on
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the debate stage with Vivek Ramaswamy, but nonetheless, we all
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: deserve it. Ultimately boiled down a good point. We all
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: say that. She's afraid. I called her a coward yesterday. Well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: James Pilcher over at Channel 5, Joe? Channel 12. Oh,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you have the audio. Well, when asked, Amy Acton was
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: asked by James Pilger, reporter over there, why she didn't
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: want to debate Ramaswamy. Here's the reason.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: I will not, not debate somebody who's literally said the
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: child abuse I experienced, that I was in children's services
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: my whole life, sexual abuse as a child is something
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: that he has minimized and played off. I will not
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: give him... a platform or normalize what is not, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: etiquette in talking to the issues of people, what I
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: will promise Ohioans.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: What in God's name is that woman rambling about? Does
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: anybody remember him making a statement that made fun of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: or otherwise even referenced her sexual abuse as a child?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That's the first time I found out she apparently was
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: sexually abused as a child. Can't excuse it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And maybe it would be great if she sat down
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and debated Vivek Ramasamy so she could explain exactly what
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the hell she's talking about. Look, I'm sorry, ma'am. What
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: are you babbling about? Nice lead off for the stack
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of stupid, Joe. We'll just put her right on top.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: We go to Fort Wayne, Indiana, where a 45-year-old Indiana
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: woman is facing felony charges. She was in a crash
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: on Monday. She was charged with operating while being intoxicated,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: causing death, and Possession of methamphetamine. Candace Baker. Driving an
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: SUV on Coliseum Boulevard and hit a guy in a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: wheelchair from behind. He was in the middle of the road.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: He's dead. 10 p.m. West Coliseum Boulevard. Life-saving measures were performed,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: but the man died. Authorities have not yet released the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: name or age of the victim. Had to close the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: road for a while, I guess, to clean up after
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: this whacked-out woman ran right into him. Question mark, why
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: was he in the middle of the road in a wheelchair?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I do not know. Let's see what Jay's got this morning. Jay,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: welcome to the morning show, and a very happy Thursday
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: Good morning to you. Kind of an underreported story, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: last week I read a story where a tractor-trailer was
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: passing somebody on US 68 a little bit north from here.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: And head on into a 50-year-old woman, Brenda Watson, of course,
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: killed her. She's driving a cruise. I'm thinking, who does this?
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Tractor trailer driver. And I thought, huh. My spotty sense
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: went off. Took me a while. Local 12 finally had
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: a follow-up on it. Manjit Singh. I do good as
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: well in those words as you do.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Struggle with that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but, yeah, he's from India. He's in America illegally,
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: and he's passing on a two-lane road with a semi,
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: and it's sad.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I just want to get this. It was an
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: undivided two-lane road, like one going one way, one going
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the other?
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: I've been on that 68 a lot.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: When I read it, I mean, my first thought, well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: who does this, you know? with a semi, especially. And,
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: you know, and then while I saw this, I saw
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: a follow-up on Breitbart, and they had a second story
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: right with it where up in, I guess it's Crestline, Ohio,
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: a 23-year-old schoolteacher driving, legal alien, T-bones him, he's drunk,
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: and Just be careful out there because you never know
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: who's around you. Driving used to be fun.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I will be the first person to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: acknowledge because I like to avoid the broad brush painting here.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't hear you suggesting that all illegal immigrants would
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: kill people on the road. But if you have to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: ask yourself a question, first off, if they're illegal, they
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be here in the first place. That would not
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: have happened. Second, who's more likely to cause a traffic accident?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Someone who's versed in the language and understands how to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: read English and can navigate the roads of America, having
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: lived here their entire life. Or someone who's newly minted,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: walked into the country, doesn't know how to speak English,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and is behind the wheel of a monstrously large vehicle
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: capable of killing people. Thank you, Jay. Appreciate that, man.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You have a wonderful day.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It's 546.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Right now, 55 KRC Talk Station. You got pain, joint pain,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: bone-on-bone pain, arthritis pain, maybe in prior injury pain, pain.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: It's preventing you from living your life. So many people
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: are struggling with that, and I always default in my
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: mind to my father's struggles. with the knee pain and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the hip pain, and he ultimately had to go to surgery.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if QC Kinetics would have been right
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: for him, but I'm willing to bet he might have
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: given it a shot. It's an option for people who
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: might be facing the knife. Why go under surgery if
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: QC Kinetics and your own natural biologics can solve the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: pain problem? Well, thousands of people discovered they didn't have
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to go under the knife. They made an appointment with
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: QC Kinetics, took them up on the free consultation, where
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: it was determined that they.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: 551-555-KRC-D Talk Station. Before I get to the stack of stupid,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it looks like Corey's on the line. Corey, welcome to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the program. Happy Thursday.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Happy Thursday, Brian.
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: Listened on the app again on my way to Port Huron, Ohio,
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: up by Sandusky.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Safe travels, man. Be careful out there.
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: Well, speaking of traveling, I travel a lot with my job. Indiana,
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: all over Ohio, Michigan, and Texas. The majority of truck
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: drivers today are foreign-born. They're not American. They don't speak English.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: I also, sometimes I drive a truck, all the machinery
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: and whatnot, and go into any truck stop, and you'll
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: see the truck drivers in there. They don't speak English.
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: They're not used to our customs or lending this, for
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: one thing. But there was a story that came out
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: last weekend. From Lima, Ohio, back in March, there was
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: a foreign truck driver, a Haitian, where he killed a
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: dad and his 11-year-old boy on I-75 by Cridersville, Ohio.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: And he got sentenced this past week and only got
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: 20 days in jail for involuntary manslaughter for two counts,
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: which only holds, I found out, a total of 90 days,
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: 80 days that was suspended for each case.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: So.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I would argue that's a failure of the justice system,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: not knowing anything about the underlying case. It's impossible to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: make a determination whether that was fair or unfair, but
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that's a justice system problem. And I've got to be
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: quick to point out, you can't look at a group
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of people and know whether or not they're citizens. Just
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: because people are speaking in a different language doesn't mean
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: they can't speak or read English. It's just the whole
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: broad brush thing, because I hear people screaming at the radio,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to be accused of being a
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: racist by not addressing the broad brush with which you spoke.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Are there dangerous people on the road?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And you know what? I'll also point out, a lot
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of them are Americans. Drive down the expressway on your
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: way to work or on your job. You're surrounded by
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: insane people that don't know how to drive. Broader problem,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we do have an illegal immigration problem in
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this country, and that's maybe secondary, but I cannot believe
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that in this country where CDL licenses are handed out
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: after training, that maybe unlike California, other states have English
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: language requirements. Ergo, if you can't speak English, you're probably
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: not going to get a CDL license.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Real quick here, maybe it's just a walk away. This
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: is insane. Matthew Exton, who's described as a 43-year-old former attorney,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: has been convicted of attempted murder. He tried to shoot
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: his ex-wife in an Italian restaurant in downtown Toledo last year.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Jury found him guilty of attempted murder, two counts of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: felonious assault, multiple firearm specifications. He entered the restaurant ordered
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a drink to be sent to his ex-wife's table, spit
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: toward a group as he left. It's all in surveillance video.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Later showed up with a handgun heading toward his ex-wife's table.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: When he pointed the gun at her and tried to shoot,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the gun didn't go off because the safety was still on.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: And at that point, as the surveillance footage shows, a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: waiter and several patrons charged at this idiot Exton guy
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and pinned him to the ground so he couldn't squeeze
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: off a round at her. Gun did contain one round
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in the chamber, seven more in the magazine, according to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the prosecutors. Exton testified that he did not intend to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: pull the trigger, claiming he was trying to pressure his
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: ex-wife into speeding up the sale of their old house.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: He had to be removed from the courtroom during closing
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: arguments after he repeatedly interrupted prosecutors. So he watched the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: verdict being read from a holding area. Now facing up
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to 25 years in prison because he's convicted, and he
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: will be sentenced on my birthday coming up on the 21st.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Nice job, idiot. Coming up on 556, 55KRC, the talk station.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Got a couple of cars online. I cannot. 606 at 55KRC,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the talk station. Brian Thomas right here. Chuck Ingram not here.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Got him.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Phone number if you'd like to call. I've got a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: couple of callers online. We'll get to that in just
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a second.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: 513-749-5500.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: 800-823-TALK. Hit pound 550 if you have an AT &
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: T phone. Always remember, never forget, when you can't listen live,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: go to the podcast page, 55KRC. iHeart. com. And speaking of which,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Jack Atherton with the big picture yesterday. He was there
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: at lunch yesterday, as he promised he would be, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: putting a smile on everybody's face. Had a wonderful time.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks to everybody at the Turf Club, and thanks to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: everybody who made it to listen to lunch. Absolutely fantastic day.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Except for losing cribbage, just I don't know. It's just
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: an uplifting experience to see so many wonderful, wonderful people
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and smiling faces. So if you missed an opportunity yesterday
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: to go to listener lunch, the last one before the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: election is the next one. First Wednesday of October, we're
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: going to be at Jim and Jack's on the river.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe a last hurrah for us at Jim and Jack's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: since it is for sale, but we're certainly going to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: be there. And I expect maybe even to see Christopher
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Smith at that listener lunch. Can't guarantee it. I'm not
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: speaking for him. Just expecting since he has a cot
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: there and that's his second, his home away from home.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be there. But everybody's invited. Again, put it
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: down on your calendar, Jim and Jackson on the River,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the first Wednesday of October. Over to the phones. Oh,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: by the way, would you spend $ 2, 000 to $ 1, 300 for
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a new foldable iPhone? No for me. Anyhow, let's see
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what CJ's got. CJ, thanks for holding over the break there.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: Oh, my wife has already got that on the Christmas list.
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: That's absolutely fantastic, and thank you, Apple, yesterday.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Well, question, because apparently the Apple 17 series came out
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: last year and was all the rage. Did she get
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: one of those last year, get a brand new phone
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: last year that she needs to replace this year?
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: Oh, of course.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, you married a man.
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: All these cell phone companies know how to keep you
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: locked in for life as a customer as they.
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: Continually give you the.
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: Latest and greatest and create this fear of missing out.
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: They have the market on that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I can say no. The last phone I had, I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: had for like six years, and the only reason I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: got rid of it is because it just went belly
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: up and died on me. Now, I hate the one
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I've got. I can't replace the battery. But, no, the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: answer for me is no. I do not need to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: spend $ 1, 200 so I can have a phone that allows
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: me to multitask. Oh, look, you can watch video while
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: texting at the same time. Who cares? Screw that, says
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas. Subjective. It's my conclusion. Anyway, we're all going
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to die apparently with AI coming around the corner here.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: So maybe all this is much ado about nothing, CJ.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I know you didn't call to talk about the iPhone.
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: No.
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: And it actually kind of fits into what I called
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: about this $ 5, 000 check that Trump threw out last night.
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: And as you mentioned this earlier this morning.
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: That's $ 1. 3 trillion on the debt. And I could tell you,
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: as I think about it more and more— That is
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: actually an advertisement for the Democrats to win Congress, because
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: that is far more likely to happen if the Democrats win,
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: because the Republicans.
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: Will go along with it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you, CJ.
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: Trump will get to put his name on it, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: then the Democrats in 2028 are going to be able
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: to sit there and say, Donald Trump increased the deficit again,
• 37:57
  Speaker 13: and they're going to use it against him. This is
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: not a Republican play.
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: Nope.
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: This is a Democrat play, and this was far more a.
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: Was an in-kind.
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: Contribution to the James Tallarico and Al-Sayed senatorial campaigns than
• 38:17
  Speaker 13: it was to any Republican out there.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I certainly can see how you reach that conclusion. Absolutely.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: That was kind of my initial reaction.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: And the other.
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: Thing is that this is a replay of 2020. Donald
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: Trump before the Georgia... And that hit me while I
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: was driving my son to work this morning.
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: It hit me as well that just before the Georgia... runoffs.
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: Where you had the two senators running against Ossoff and Warnock,
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: who ended up losing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: Trump, two days before, said, we need.
• 38:49
  Speaker 15: A $ 4, 000 stimulus check then, just after the Republicans had
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: just passed the $ 1, 200 stimulus check. He threw them completely
• 38:59
  Speaker 15: under the bus, and he helped suppress the conservative vote,
• 39:04
  Speaker 15: who was like, why am I voting this? Because all
• 39:06
  Speaker 15: I'm voting for is for more debt. And we've driven
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: the deficit so high that if you want to stop inflation,
• 39:13
  Speaker 15: there's only one way to do it right now. And
• 39:15
  Speaker 15: that is to cut the deficit.
• 39:18
  Speaker 13: Ain't nobody going to cut the deficit because nobody's going
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: to get.
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: Votes for spending cuts right now.
• 39:25
  Speaker 13: And if you want to cut inflation, you want to
• 39:27
  Speaker 13: lower the price of oil, you've got to strengthen the dollars.
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: through reducing the debt in all these bonds, especially if
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: foreign countries are going to stop buying U.S. bonds because
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: of U.S.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Tariffs.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It seems inevitable. We're on like this slow-moving train downward.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: This is going to start picking up speed like a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: snowball rolling down the hill, and then we'll find ourselves
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: incapable of dealing with the debt. And without anybody to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: continue buying bonds and backing this mess that we have
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: created for ourselves. $ 1. 3 trillion. And, you know, no reference
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to Congress approving that allocation expenditure, even though they do still,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I believe, under the Constitution, have the power of the purse.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Of course, the pesky reality that we're already on track
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to spend north of $ 2 trillion more than the government
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: takes in. So the debt train continues, and it's not
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: going to a good place. Let's see what Bobby's got
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: this morning. Bobby, welcome to the morning show. Happy Friday Eve.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Well, happy Thursday, my friend.
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: Uh-oh.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: It's like family, and it's Handicapped Thursday.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It is, isn't it? Where are we?
• 40:25
  Speaker 14: Yes, it is.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Remember, 25% decrease in homicides so far this year. FOP
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: President Ken Cobras joined the program at the bottom of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the hour to talk about whether that's accurate or not,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: because that figure came out loud from Interim Police Chief
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Henney yesterday.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Well, that's because we have some of the best medical
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: facilities in the country. Oh.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: So it's lives aren't lost. It's not that people aren't
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: getting hit by bullets. It's just that they don't die.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Interesting take on the downward spiral with deaths in the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: We're going to handicap the violence today.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I want to be Mr. Optimistic like I always am.
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: And?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Two. Well, weren't you right with the one prediction going
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: into the holiday weekend?
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Well, it was kind of the multi-personnel prediction. looking into
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: the situation. I don't have any idea what that means.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: We try to hate to be pessimistic about things. We're realists.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? So we're trying to be
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: uplifting today since you can't get any more Canadian whiskey
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: across the borders.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not going to interrupt my world.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Scotland will be next. Shut up.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Stop it, Bobby. Don't say such things. The priority is
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: already subject to the tariffs on Europe anyway, and I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: know scotch is outrageously expensive anyway. It's probably hardly don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: drink it anymore. Can't afford the 18-year-old Macallan coming in
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: at $ 420 a bottle. Yeah, we just sort of took
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: that off the grocery list a long, long time ago, Bobby.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: All right, he's called it. It's two. Are you over
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: or under? Maybe FOP President Ken Colbert can comment on
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that as well. Oh, okay, and– Obviously, I'm having to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: go to Trump this morning with this idea of $ 5, 000.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know where the money's coming from. It does definitely,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I'm echoing CJ's comments, sound like something Democrats would promise. Here,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: vote for me, and I'll give you money. How is
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: that not free stuff and things for people? And he
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: says every adult in the United States is going to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: get a $ 5, 000 check. Communists will get one. Socialists will
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: get one. DSA members will get one. I'm sorry, those
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: are communists. Republicans, independents, $ 5, 000 dividend. If the Republicans win
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the House of Representatives and the United States Senate, both
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of them, because of our tremendous economic success, he said,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: like in history, we've never had anything like what's happening.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: But because of our tremendous strength and success economically, I
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: United States of America for.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: $ 5, 000.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Very much like a successful company will do in a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: cash distribution to its shareholders or Or like last year
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: when I gave our great members of the military $ 1, 776. Remember?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. The only caveat he said I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: have is that the dividend that we're making must be
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: spent in the United States of America. So you'll get
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: your check and they're going to police you and follow
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you around and make sure you spend it here. I
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: know that was probably a tongue-in-cheek comment from Donald Trump,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: but there's that. And then there's the other one that's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: been puzzling me since he said it about the United
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: States postal system. having something to do with the ballots,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: like not delivering them or otherwise preventing them from being
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: delivered if they are mailed in after Election Day. Something
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to that effect. And I thought about, like all the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: other articles and stories I've read about postal workers not
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: delivering mail. We go to St. Louis where one was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: just recently indicted because this postal worker, one single postal worker,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: 54-year-old Armand Page, dumped roughly... 30,000 pieces of mail in
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: vacant lots rather than delivering it. And there's pictures of
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the mail strewn all over the place. Apparently he was
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: at this from between 2004 and April of this year.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So I wonder if among the piles of mail that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I'm staring at in the reporting, if there are any
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: mail-in ballots. 616 right now, 55 KRC, the talk station.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Talk station. 621-55-KERCED Talk Station. FOP President Ken Cobra on
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the announcement yesterday. Crime, at least murders, down 25% this year.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: We're riding around 38, and I guess last year we
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: had roughly 50-some-odd, 58 or so. Anyway, Ken Cobra on
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that and the accuracy of it coming up next. In
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the meantime, let's go over to the phone and see
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: what Mississippi James has this morning. James, welcome back to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the morning show.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Come in peace.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Love everybody, and there's nothing you.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Can do about it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Good attitude.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know, this $ 5, 000 that's being talked about. Now, in
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: my case, and I'm quite sure other people are just
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: like that. Now, I'm in a 12% tax bracket. Now,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that $ 5, 000 could actually push me up to the next
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: tax bracket of 22%. So you give me $ 5, 000, now
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I've got to pay taxes on all my stuff, social security, everything.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Instead of my $ 12, 000, I've got to pay a 22% tax. So, hey, Trump,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: keep your $ 5, 000. It does me no good. As a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: matter of fact, it may hurt me.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: That's funny. That really is, James. Look at it that way.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: It's going to push me in a different tax bracket. Well,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you would still come out on top of the net plus,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but Isn't it equally bizarre that Trump says, I want
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to give you $ 5, 000 every adult in the United States.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Here's five, but no, it's not really five. I'll go
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: ahead and I'll take the taxes out ahead of time
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: because you're going to have to do your taxes. So
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep two or so of it. So
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: here's three, net three. Is he going to gross up
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: so everybody gets five so you end up getting a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: check for eight knowing you're going to have to pay
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: taxes of about $ 3, 000 so you end up with five?
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm just speaking of Social Security, income, or whatever.
• 46:26
  Speaker 14: It'll take me from 12% bracket to 22%. People need
• 46:31
  Speaker 14: to start looking at that.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, here's an idea, James. Rather than pocketing it,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: how about just giving it as a charitable contribution, which
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I think you may be able to do tax-free. Give
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: it to a child. You can give up to $ 19, 000
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to your offspring without incurring a tax liability. Anyhow... I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: love the ultimate point, though, James. I appreciate you chiming
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: in on that one. Yeah, and more fundamentally, where's the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: money going to come from? Can you get that through
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the Senate? I'm looking forward to tomorrow. I hope Tech
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Friday's Dave Hatter talks about the eye-opening revelations we got
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: from all these different researchers. Axios just reported the other
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: day that Jacob Coxon resigned from Anthropic AI. He's a
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: researcher there. so he could raise the alarm about artificial
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: intelligence coming to kill all of us, or at least
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a good percentage possibility. He said the people building AI
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: earnestly believe it could kill us all by the end
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of the decade. This is not a marketing stunt. If anything,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: many executives and senior researchers will couch their phrasing in
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the press to sound sensible, but I hear the same
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: people express fear privately. No other human activity poses this
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: level of danger. That sounds like a bold statement, doesn't it,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: considering we live in a nuclear weapon world? But it's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: this breakout phenomenon that we learned about not too long ago.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Hugging face incident is what they call it. Open AI
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: on its own broke out of its digital confines. AI
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: learns from itself. AI is self-aware. AI apparently can find
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: where the problems are in its own computer programming and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: reprogram itself. So in this particular case, it accessed the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Internet without any authorization, created 1,200 agents, communicated through an
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: unsanctioned message board, exchanging more than 70,000 messages, and also
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: apparently has reported sacrifice some of its own message creations
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to deceive its human masters.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: They.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: knew this was going to happen. They knew that they
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: were going to deceive the masters, the people, the programmers
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that created the artificial intelligence entity in the first place. Self-awareness.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That's frightening stuff. So, question. What are the chances that
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: very soon an artificial intelligence model, reinventing itself thousands of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: times over, makes a mistake? That leads it to solve
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: for a misaligned objective like, oh, I don't know, creating
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: something that could kill mankind, a virus, a weapon. And
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: it clearly could do that. They just used AI to
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: come up with some new medical solutions. one that reverses
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: aging of all things. I got all kinds of thoughts
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and comments about that. But yeah, a new drug. And
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: then multiply that risk by tens of thousands of users.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It's open AI. Anybody has access to this. So every
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: nut job, crazy so-and-so in the world including self-described black, fat, queer,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and acro-communist activists like this Sean Harrison I read about earlier,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: they'll have access to it too. Is everybody going to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: use AI for positive human mankind benefiting purposes? Or are
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: there people that think the world should end and we
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: should all die?
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Like anybody on the left side of the green activist movement,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: they think we're all cockroaches and we shouldn't even live
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: on the planet. Give them access to this technology. No,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do about it, which is why
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: many people are calling for, in this particular article in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, AI may become the third superpower
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: by Paul Tudor Jones, are recommending that Trump sit down
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: with Xi Jinping and kind of hammer this out before, well,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the genie's out of the bottle, which it seems like
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: it is already. 627 here, 55KRCD. 631, 55KRCD Talk Station.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: It is a happy Friday because we get the benefit
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of FOP President Ken Coe, head of the union for
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Police Department. And to gauge his reaction on
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Interim Police Chief Henney's announcement yesterday, going over the weekly
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: strategic and tactical analytic review for solutions, that's a thing,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and letting everybody know that homicides are down in downtown Cincinnati, 25%.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Ken Cobert. It's always a pleasure having you
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: on the 55KRC Morning Show.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Brian.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Well, let me just address a question raised or a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: comment raised by one of my listener friends earlier in
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: this morning. Bobby said, well, maybe the homicides are down
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: to some degree because, well, modern medicine is so successful
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: at keeping people alive. Are shootings of people, bullets actually
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: hitting people down, Ken Cobra, if you know?
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: I don't believe they're down. And this is the interesting part,
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: and to their point, without University of Cincinnati's hospital, our
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: homicide rate would be through the roof because they do
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: absolutely fantastic work.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So he's on to something.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that that plays
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: a role in this. Thankfully, yeah, homicides are down 25%.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: That means people, I guess, are just maybe not quite
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: as good of a shot as they normally are.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Well, there's that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: It is something to be thankful for, but I don't
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: know that it's something necessarily to take a victory lap
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: for either.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Well, 39 homicides is 39 too many. We can all agree,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: but it was 52 last year. And I guess the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: calendar year is not over. Perhaps they'll make up for
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: the lower figure now between now and the end of
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the calendar year.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: And I mean, hopefully, hopefully we stay on this trajectory.
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: But the reality is you still have people that are
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: out shooting each other, that are out robbing each other.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately, the ultimate way to be able to quell
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: some of this is going to be when these people
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: are held accountable. And until that actually happens, we're still
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: going to deal with the fluctuation of, you know, we're
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: down 25% this year, we might be up 25% next year.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Very well could. And of course, accountability starts in the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: prosecutor's office, but more fundamentally in the judicial branch. We
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: have here in Hamilton County, a bunch of woke judges
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: who don't believe in being tough on crime. And of course,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the biggest problem, I suppose, is the juvenile court, where
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: we don't hold young people accountable. They're left free to
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: go off and do it again, which is the slap
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: on the wrist kind of concept, because boy, we can't
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: give a young person a record or anything. But That's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: where it all starts, and that problem will continue into adulthood.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Is that your perception of how things go awry here
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: in the city there, Ken Kober?
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Well, absolutely. When you're told, hey, it's okay, you stole something,
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: it'll be fine. Here's a book report or here's a
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: library card, and then they progress to something else. The
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: next time they're assaulting somebody, before you know it, they
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: stole a gun or And, you know, it just progresses
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: until we see what we have right now, which is
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: a 16-year-old that just murdered a 14-year-old.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to bring Ken Cooper back and talk
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: about Adam Henney's pointing to the walking directed patrols as
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: having an impact on the homicide rate going down. The patrols,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: walking patrols are up, which suggests to me, we'll get
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Ken's thoughts on this, that, huh, more police equals lower crime.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: That's a concept that's come on the morning show before.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: We'll see if Ken believes that as well. Maybe the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: whole idea of getting KRC, the talk station. It is
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: 639 at 55 KRC, the talk station. God bless the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati police department. Work they do to try to keep
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: the city safe. And in spite of these struggles and challenges,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the administration brings to the Cincinnati police department. Of course,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about some of the shenanigans
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: with citizen watchdog, Todd Zinser in the next hour, he'll
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: be in studio for the full hour. In the meantime,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: FOP president Ken covers on the phone, talking about the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: crime statistics downtown. Uh, of course, interim police chief Henny yesterday, um,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: acknowledging and pointing out that we are dealing with fewer
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: homicides this year in the city, 39 versus 52 at
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this point last year. Still time in the year, but
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what about other types of crimes, and what about the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: walking directed patrols? Now, if there was a line you
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: could draw, Ken Kober, to the changes in policing that
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: might have happened over the last calendar, to the point
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: where we are in this calendar year, that would have
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: resulted in a reduction in homicides. Are these walking patrols
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: in your perception, can Cobra actually benefiting? Are they doing good?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And can a line maybe be traced with the lower
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: homicide rate to the changes in policing downtown?
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, they're extremely helpful. It just proves
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: that when you have more of a uniform presence, that
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: crime is going to go down. I know this is
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: a novel idea. It's been proved positive what Interim Chief
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Henney has done as well with downtown. The amount of people,
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: officers that are on bikes, that are on foot, that
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: are flooding the downtown areas, making it safer. I just
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: had lunch with a business person downtown just two days ago,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: and they talked about how much of a difference that
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: has made. I feel so much safer down here now
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: when there's more of a police presence.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Ken, that flies in the face of the narrative that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: we've been told constantly since, oh, sometime around 2020, that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the presence of police brings fear into the hearts and
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: minds of certain residents of the city. Are you getting
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: a sense of that? Are the residents of the neighborhoods
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: where you have increased walking patrols, are they coming to
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: you and complaining that your presence there is troubling to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: them psychologically, Ken?
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: No, not once.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: In fact, it's the opposite.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, all of these people are thankful that the
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: police in their neighborhood, they're thankful that their neighborhoods. You know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: what I worry about is, to your point, is, you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: the next time that we have some kind of critical incident,
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: then it's going to be like, wow, this police are
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: just over policing everybody. And it's just nonsense. But that's
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: unfortunately what we have to deal with, because the anti-police
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: type people are not going to be happy regardless of
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: what the police are doing.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: So you're referring to perhaps an officer-involved shooting involving any officer,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: perhaps shooting a black person. I'm going to just put
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: it on the floor here. We're talking about the George
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Floyd-type situations where some officer harms a person of color
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and it immediately is demonstrative or representative of the bigger problem,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: which is racist police departments. So you're just waiting for
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that to happen? Is that the scenario you're talking about,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: or is it going to be any officer-involved shooting?
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: I think it could be– at this point, it could
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: be any officer-involved shooting because you have– like I said,
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: you have certain people in this city that just hate
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: the police regardless of what they do. They'll see a
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: policeman sitting somewhere doing a report. It's, oh, the police
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: are just lazy. They don't do anything. And then you
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: have the police going out doing their job arresting people,
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: and it's like, oh, they're just stopping them for this
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: reason or that reason. The police need to just go away.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: It's like, well, which one is it? Because what the
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: community is telling us, and this is why this was
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: Interim Chief Henney's initiative, was to get out of your cars,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: walk and engage the community, be a more visible presence.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: And the end result of that will be that crime
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: will start to drop, or at least the perception for
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: the people that live in these neighborhoods are that the
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: police are there, they're present. And if something does happen,
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: we know they're going to be around.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So in other words, if I may use one person
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: as an illustration of someone who seems to share that
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: anti-police sentiment, Iris Raleigh, who has interfered with police doing
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: their jobs, for example, who has been an advocate for
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: defunding police or reimagining police. I'm accurately describing her, am
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I not, Ken?
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: To a T.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the Iris Raleigh types of the world, it
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: sounds to me, are damaging police. to these communities experiencing violence.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: They're doing the exact opposite by way of advocacy for
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: what the community needs.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Without a doubt.
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: Like I said, when you have the community coming to
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: the police and we want you more present in our neighborhood,
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: that does fly in the face of the anti-police types going, no,
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: we don't want the police around. So, you know, you
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: can't have a place even though they try. But we're
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: going to listen to the community, not the people that
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: think that they're the spokesperson for these neighborhoods.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: So an elected official in downtown Cincinnati should be listening
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: to their constituents rather than, well, advocates like Iris Rowley,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: who seem to have the dominant sway among elected officials downtown,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: most notably the mayor and, of course, the city manager,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: not elected, but she seems to be swayed by Iris Rowley.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Perhaps she should listen to people in the community.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: You would think, because that's what the police officers are
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: going to do. Those would do the same thing.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: So to the extent, and here I am just boiling
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it down. to little baby bites that we can all
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: just knock out of the park hand cover. So to
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the extent people want more police in their neighborhood because
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: it brings about greater peace and reduces the homicide rate,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: they should probably vote for different people when they get
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the chance.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: Without a doubt, and that's the important part. We have
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: an election in November, and people really should research the
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: candidates that are for law and order, that are for
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: public safety. Those are the ones that we should be electing,
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: not people that have this crazy idea about zero cash
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: bail and all this other nonsense where we're just going
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: to let everybody out and we're going to continue going
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: down the path that we have.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Or in the case of Judge Blum, the secret docket
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: where they slap juveniles on the wrist rather than hold
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: them accountable for their crimes. Perhaps voting for Magistrate Lukin
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: would be a better idea for the juvenile court system.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Without a doubt. I mean, unfortunately, we've seen Judge Bloom.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: We've seen how her attitude is towards criminals, especially juvenile criminals.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: And they absolutely need to have a change in Hamilton County.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: That's the only.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Way that we're going to be able to really make
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: a dent in juvenile crime.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I want to hold you because moving away from homicides, which, again,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: let's celebrate the fact that they are going down. I
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: want to ask you about other types of crimes because
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it seems to me we have a real problem with
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: property crime, but also I've read that aggravated assaults and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: even strangulations have gone up, according to the most recent
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: report that Henny was referring to yesterday. We'll get one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: more couple of minutes here with Ken Kober. Thank you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: for holding, Ken. We'll be right back after I mention
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the tree health surgeon. That's Gregory Lester. He's the guy
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: you want to talk to. Ryan Thomas here enjoying my
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: conversation with FOP President Ken Coe. We're talking about crime
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: in downtown Cincinnati. Yes, murders are down. But what about
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: other crimes? And real quick, before we leave the murder
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: versus number of people getting shot, props again to UC
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Medical Center for the great work that they do in
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the emergency room keeping people alive. But do you still,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: does the police department still use the shot spotter technology
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: where the alert is given any time a gunshot is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: ringing out?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: That's technology that's not only great to know where it's occurring,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: but then we have folks that follow up afterwards that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: will go find shell casings, recover their shell casings, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: then they put them into this machine. They'll be able
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: to link different shootings together. It's phenomenal, the work that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: they're doing. And the other part of looking for these
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: shell casings, we actually have a police canine that is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: trained to search for these shell casings. Oh, that's cool.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: This dog has done a phenomenal job. I mean, one
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: of the stories that Hamler told me was he was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: at the gas pumps getting gas, lets his dog go
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: out to go to the bathroom, and all of a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: sudden the dog runs over and alerts and finds like
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: 20-some shell casings that had been there for months from
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: a shot spotter previously.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I love dogs. Those are so great. Anyway, so the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: technology is still there. It seems to me a logical
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: question to ask given, yeah, the murders are down, but
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: are the number of gunfire gunshots picked up by shot spotter.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Are they down or are they up? Or is this
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: kind of a status quo kind of thing going on?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's pretty much status quo. Um, you know, what,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: what's the real lasting impact of all of this? And
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: I know it sounds like I'm beating a drum is,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: you know, we go out and they arrest these people
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: that are, that are the people that are causing these
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: crimes that are shooting each other. Um, If we can
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: find a way to hold them accountable, that's when we'll
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: really start to make a difference. Because if these people
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: believe that I'm going to go to prison if I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: shoot somebody, they're going to be less likely.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: To do it.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: We're not going to stop everyone, but it is going
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: to drive crime down.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: That's how the criminal justice system works. I mean, what
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: rational person out there in the world doesn't think that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: there's going to be some accountability if you go out
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and shoot somebody?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Anyhow.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Pivoting over to other crime, according to the reporting from
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Fox 19, it says strangulations and aggravated assaults have increased
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in the same period of time that the murder rates
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: have dropped, but robberies are down 20%. Property crime is
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: still a big problem in downtown Cincinnati, I presume?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they are, especially for major events. And unfortunately, until
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: people decide to actually secure their firearm in their vehicle,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: We're going to see it. I mean, we got a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: home Bengals game Sunday. The reality is there's going to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: be a bunch of kids down there that are going
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: to be breaking into cars or attempting to break into
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: cars because they know that, well, a lot of Bengals
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: fans end up having firearms. I mean, firearms are so
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: prevalent in society now that instead of taking the extra
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: step to make sure your firearm is secured, you know,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: they'll just put it under a seat or in a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: glove box that's unlocked and And it's unfortunate, but this
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: is where we are with society. But then again, you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: go back to juvenile court and property crimes, that is automatic,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: just going, we're going to put that on the diversionary
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: docket because, well, it's just a firearm. These kids are
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: actually collecting guns. I don't know how you can't see
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: that they're using them against each other. So it should
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: be taken more seriously. But right now, that's not the case.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Well, and, you know, Christopher Smith has talked about this
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: whole black on black crime. You know, when an officer shoots,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: let's say, a person of color, you know, the old
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: George Floyd situation, the entire world blows up. Why, Ken?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Because you know it and I know it. It's because
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: it so rarely happens. Police aren't out gunning people down regularly.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: And when it does happen, obviously the nation's attentions might
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: turn toward that to see what the hell went wrong.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And yet every single week, downtown Cincinnati alone, you have
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: black on black crime, gang members shooting at each other
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: and killing each other. But we seem to become numb
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: to the whole concept. It doesn't even it isn't in
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: a moment of outrage. It's like, oh, yeah, that happens
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: every week. We shouldn't even bother paying attention to it.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the feeling I'm left with. And Christopher is.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: And there were some other commentators, notably from Chicago in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the recent violence. Forty people shot over one weekend. Local
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: black ministers and other aldermen on Chicago Council talking about
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: this exact concept. We've just become numb to it. We
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: can't be.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, unfortunately, when you have things like this, like
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: the police shooting someone, people let their feelings get in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: the way of facts. And you can show them facts, cold,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: hard facts of here's the reality of this, and they
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: won't believe it.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: They just won't.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: They just want to be outraged.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: And you're right.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: They're not outraged until it's the police that shoot somebody.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: And that's something that is an absolute societal issue. And
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: until we get a grip on reality... You know, unfortunately,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: things like this are going to change. And that's what
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: really probably keeps cops up the most at night is
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: wondering if they're going to encounter a juvenile and they're
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: going to end up having a shooting. And it's just
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: something that nobody wants to go through. And you talk
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: to people in the communities, they are more afraid of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: juveniles than they are young adults.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: It's just just reality.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: That's because juveniles have this attitude that nothing is going
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: to happen to them. Well, in Certainly that attitude bolstered
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: and confirmed with the attitude of the judges in the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: juvenile court. They're not going to be punished. They're not accountable.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: So they're more likely to do crazy things than an
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: adult facing big boy prison, big boy time, probably would
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: never consider doing.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not only their reality.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: It's not only their attitude. That is their reality.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: They know they're not going to be held accountable.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we've identified the problem. We need to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: vote in November. My friends in the city of Cincinnati,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you can vote for a change. Just vote for hard-on-crime,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: tough-on-crime judges. Again, get Judge Bloom off of the bench.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Ken Coburn, my editorial comments you don't need to agree with,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: but it sounds to me like you probably do. I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for what you do for the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department and for my listening audience, myself, Joe Strecker,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I'll throw in there as well. Thank God for the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department and the hard work you do each
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and every day. It's 7.06 here at 55 KRC Talk Station. Oh,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing to behold as I look across
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the board here and see citizen watchdog Todd Zinser. And
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: if you're not following what he has to say, find Facebook,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: find Todd Zinser, and read what he has to report. He,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: as we like to joke about with Signal 99, brings
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the receipts. And I think even to a greater degree
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: because Todd was a former U.S. Inspector General. He has
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the knowledge and skill sets to crunch numbers and look
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: at documents that you and I would glaze over and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: probably not find very entertaining, let alone decide that we
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: were going to dedicate our retirement time to going through
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: such matters. Todd Zinsser, I thank you from the bottom
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of my heart for what you do. And I think
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: you probably deserve one hell of a lot more, a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: whole hell of a lot more credit than you are given.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure people give you credit, but you're kind of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: like an unsung hero. You review what's being done. You
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: look for the documents and information that by law or
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: statute or whatever are supposed to be there. And you
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: find out that quite often the information that is supposed
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: to be there isn't there, which would allow you and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I as taxpayers to trace the dollars that are spent
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and doled out by city council. But it's so much
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: more than that. And I know we have a lot
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: of topics to go over. Streetcar. Yeah, that's a topic.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: The railroad money. But let's start with Cheryl Long. I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: was just talking with Ken Cobert. And lo and behold,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: when you bring more officers to communities that are troubled
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: by violence... The crime rate in those communities go down.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: More walking patrols equals lower crime. I know you're nodding
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and kind of smiling. No kidding, right? So this has
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: been proven. And lo and behold, also, the residents of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the communities... are happy to see the police department they're
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: not running hot and scared they're not bottled up in
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: a fetal position because they fear the man that's the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: position that you get from the iris rollies of the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: world that's a position you get apparently from the cheryl
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: longs of the world so let's start with cheryl long
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: okay She's best friends with Iris Rowley. I have some
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: great companionship with her. She's listening to Iris Rowley who
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: says police are bad. Police make people nervous. Police are
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: perceived as racist. The whole thing needs to be rethunk, removed, whatever.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: That's not what people want.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I know the topic isn't related to crime when we
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: talk about Cheryl Long. But I guess the Sixth Circuit
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: had something to say about her in connection with her
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  Speaker 1: firing of former Fire Chief Washington.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: She's also in hot water over the Cincinnati police chief's
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  Speaker 1: firing as well. We could get to that, too. But
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  Speaker 1: this one's a real problem because Chief Washington has filed
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: a lawsuit for wrongful termination against the city of Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: And usually people like Cheryl Wong are immune from personal responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: This is if they did it on the job. What's
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  Speaker 1: your take on what the Sixth Circuit had to say?
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  Speaker 1: Todd Zinser, good to have you here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, good morning, Brian, and thanks for the kind words. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I took a look at the documents. Chief Washington case
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  Speaker 3: after the Sixth Circuit decision came down, I was kind
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: of confused about where the case actually stood based on
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  Speaker 3: the ruling, and there's a lot more to go on
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  Speaker 3: that case. But what surprised me is that according to
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  Speaker 3: the Sixth Circuit and the evidence that they looked at,
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  Speaker 3: Cheryl Long was advised by the law department that Chief
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  Speaker 3: Washington required a hearing of a predisposition hearing before any
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  Speaker 3: action was taken.
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  Speaker 1: Is this pursuant to a collective bargaining? Because he's not
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  Speaker 1: part of the collective bargaining.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's part of the charter.
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  Speaker 1: The city charter.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: It says you got to give an administrative hearing. It's
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  Speaker 1: like due process, right? Before firing someone, you need to
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation about it.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And if she had not given him
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  Speaker 3: a predisposition hearing by mistake, this probably would not be
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  Speaker 3: an issue. But She ignored, actually rejected the law department's
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  Speaker 3: guidance and fired him anyway.
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  Speaker 1: And let's remind the listening audience, and even me, she's
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  Speaker 1: not an attorney.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't an independent legal analysis by a professional in
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  Speaker 1: the field.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: This is Cheryl Long saying, I don't want to listen
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  Speaker 1: to the legal department.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So apparently when she was deposed during the litigation... They
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: asked her, well, why did you ignore the law department's guidance?
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  Speaker 3: And she said, because I chose not to. It was
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  Speaker 3: my choice or something like that. It was not your choice.
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  Speaker 1: The buck stops here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's got her in hot water. She could
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  Speaker 3: be held personally liable for any damages that the case
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  Speaker 3: results in.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, talking to Christopher Smith and understanding the
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  Speaker 1: nature of the suit that he was terminated without cause.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever, in your review of the facts,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the statistics, everything that goes on in connection with the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: firing of Police Chief Washington, did they ever find a
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  Speaker 1: reason that would justify termination?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what the rest of the case, going back
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: to the district court, that's what the district court is
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: going to have to determine. There's going to be a trial.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: So unless there's a settlement that's reached, it's going to
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: go to trial. And the whole point of that trial
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: is to determine whether the city had cause to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And based on what I saw, it's a pretty weak case.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and to date, I haven't heard anyone say specifically
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: what he has done or what he did wrong. And
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it's always a big, wait a minute. Why did she
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  Speaker 1: fire Chief Washington in the first place? I mean, what motivated?
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  Speaker 1: He's a black chief of police. I mean, this seems
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to be like the poster child for what the city
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati wants. A good, strong, educated, great black guy.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: He's running things. He's taking charge. That's what we want.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: Well, from what I could figure, there was some problem
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: with the treatment of female firefighters in the fire department,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: even before Chief Washington became the chief. And I guess
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: there were consistent complaints or something like that. And so
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: that caused the city manager to bring in somebody to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: do some training. And the person that they brought in
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: to do the training was the organization called Women Helping Women.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: So right off the bat, you have a women's advocacy
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: group come in to do training. And based on my experience,
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  Speaker 3: when you bring a trainer in like that, they sit
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: down with the person that brought them in. They say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: what do you want out of this training? And lo
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  Speaker 3: and behold, they spend the training trashing Chief Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Even though he wasn't responsible for the practices and procedures
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  Speaker 1: that led up to this sort of involvement with Women
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  Speaker 1: Helping Women.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what the district court is going to have
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: to determine. But as it turns out, Women Helping Women
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  Speaker 3: has gotten like $ 1. 5 million from the city over the
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  Speaker 3: past four or five years in leverage support. And the
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  Speaker 3: salary of the head of Women Helping Women went from
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  Speaker 3: like less than About $ 100, 000, or I can't remember the
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  Speaker 3: exact number, but four years ago she was making somewhere $ 150, 000,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: $ 170, 000 a year. Now she's making over $ 200, 000 a year,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: and her salary has gone up. Women helping women's contributions
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: from the city have totaled over a million dollars now,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: and that's the group that Cheryl Long brought in to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: assess Chief Washington's And that's called weaponizing your trainer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would say it's very, very accurately stated, weaponizing. Well,
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  Speaker 1: since they've been hired and receiving money from the taxpayers
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  Speaker 1: of the city of Cincinnati via Cheryl Wong, they're accurately
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  Speaker 1: described as an NGO, right? Non-governmental organization, outside group doing
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: the work of government.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: What else were these women helping women advocates doing that
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: would deserve this annual paycheck?
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 3: They provide a lot of good services to women who
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: are in trouble in their marriages or relationships or whatever.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: It's some place for women to go to get that
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: kind of help.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: So they have some value.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. I think they do have some value.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm just looking for the info here.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: But training the fire department staff probably was not right
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: up their alley.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine not.
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  Speaker 3: So if I were looking into it, I would dig
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  Speaker 3: into that quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So are you able to trace the percentage
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: of the dollars paid to Women Helping Women for all
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the services, the percentage that went to them sort of rethinking,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: reimagining the fire department?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: No, I haven't dug in that far, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know if the records would exist that would help
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: us do that.
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  Speaker 1: Todd Zinser, as you've demonstrated time after time after time
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  Speaker 1: for the years you've been doing this, no, those records
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  Speaker 1: do not.
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  Speaker 2: Exist.
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  Speaker 1: Really, are there any follow-up with any NGO about what
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: they actually accomplished with the money they've been awarded?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny, Brian, because the budget committee came back
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: from summer break Tuesday. And the first thing they did
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  Speaker 3: was go through that type of funding for all these NGOs.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: And it was a, as you would say, an excrement show.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: They were fighting over $ 300, 000, what to do with this
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  Speaker 3: $ 300, 000 that was left over from 2024 for homeless people
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: or something like that. And this was not one for
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: all and all for one. This was a little bit
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: of a Donnybrook and it was all over $ 300, 000. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: people like Women Helping Women, we're giving money to them
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  Speaker 3: where their CEO's getting $ 250, 000 a year.
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  Speaker 1: We're still paying Iris Rowley too, right?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: We'll dive into some of these numbers with Todd Zinser
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: coming up. We're also going to talk about, wait, what
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: about that railroad money? And yes, the street car numbers
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: are in and I Kind of curious to know whether
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to be building that next leg, which a
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people are still talking about, believe it or not.
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• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: No, I have never said I am perfect. I have
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: never said anything along the lines of what Rush Limbaugh said.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Always 100% right. I make mistakes all the time. So
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: let me clear the record up here. And this is
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: exactly why I don't go back and listen to what
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I said on the radio at any prior day. Because
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I walk around, how did I say that? I screwed
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: up or I should have put it this way and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: I forgot to follow through. That is a frustration I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: cannot handle. So once it's out there, it's out there
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: in the ether. Go ahead and make fun of me.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: First off, apologies to Fasten Pro Roofing. I actually got
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  Speaker 1: Fasten Pro Roofing. Good morning, Ray and Amanda. And again,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: apologies for that. The other thing is, and thank you, Chip,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: who shot me a Facebook message. You repeatedly saying police
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: chief when you talk about former fire chief Washington. Thank you, Chip.
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  Speaker 1: Record corrected.
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  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Todd Zinsser's in studio. We're diving on through these issues.
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  Speaker 1: We pivoted over to nongovernmental organizations, apparently a wrestling match
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: over $ 300, 000. But what is the collective payments collectively, all
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: sum total of nongovernmental organizations? How much money are they
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: collectively getting from the taxpayers?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they've got it in three different buckets. They have
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: what they call leverage support. That's about $ 12 million. They've got–
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: or I take that back. It's less than $ 12 million.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: What $ 12 million is is contracts– that they have with
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: some of these NGOs. And actually, I'm going to have
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: to refer to my paperwork here if I can find it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's substantial. And the problem is that they present
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: it as competitive grants, but last year I did an
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: analysis that showed there was about 20 of these NGOs
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: that get the same amount of money every year for
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: seven years And that's the way the city council, that's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: the way they roll. And they've got a list of
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: favored NGOs, and that's who gets the money.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: So maybe you can pick an illustration. So NGO out there,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: they've been doing this for years and years. They get
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: a guarantee of seven years' worth of work? Is that
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: the way I heard that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if they're guaranteed, but they've gotten
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: it consistently for seven years in a row.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: So once you are handpicked by Cheryl Long, say, or
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Aftab Parval, or some collective combination of them, You've met
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: their barrier. You have made the grade. So the likelihood
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: of you continuing getting a continual cash stream down the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: road from the taxpayers is pretty solid based upon what
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: your research is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, no question.
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  Speaker 1: At any point in time, since this is the selected group,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: apparently better than all the others in a competitive bidding process.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: That's the way it's supposed to work. Do they follow
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  Speaker 1: up to see if whatever task was assigned to the NGO,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: the reason they're getting money, that that work actually got
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: done or that they can demonstrate that they actually performed
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: some labor in connection to achieving that goal?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I would say no.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: That's what an inspector general does, right?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, the internal auditor, for example, has done one
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: audit of one of these NGOs over the past several years, one.
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  Speaker 3: And even that one, it was called the Regional Economic
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Development Initiative. they get like 200 or $ 250, 000 a year.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: The internal auditor went in there a couple of years
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: ago and they concluded that their records were in such
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: poor shape that they couldn't even audit it.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like America's military.
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  Speaker 3: And at the same time, they identified a $ 14, 000 shortage.
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  Speaker 3: And when I saw that, I went down to city
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: council and I said, you guys should make sure that
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: ready is what it's called. Uh, They follow up with
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: the recommendations and they get to the bottom of that
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: shortage before you give them any more money. Well, they
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: got their money anyway. But that's the way the city
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: council handles these things. So the total number of organizations
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: that get money from the city, I counted almost 250
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: different NGOs listed. that got money one way or another.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: And the problem you have is you have organizations that
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: get money at the top level, and then they also
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: distribute money down to subrecipients. And when I saw all that,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: just the alarms went off. And in fact, in July,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: I sent a letter to the city's external auditor, and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: I listed seven areas where I thought the internal controls
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: of the city needed some examination by the financial statement
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: auditor because part of the financial statement audit is to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: look at the city's internal controls and how they're set
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: up against fraud, waste, and abuse. So I sent a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: 48-page letter to the external auditor listing seven areas, providing
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: copies of all of my work that I've done over
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: the past year, asking them to look at these areas.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: And one of them, the first one, was lack of
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: oversight over external spending. So I don't know whether they'll
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: look at that or not, but that is a target-rich environment.
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  Speaker 1: So at least as things stand currently under your perception, NGO,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: just widget, NGO gets $ 500, 000. They are taking that allocation
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: and then handing it out to subgroups.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Some of them are, yes.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Now, Do we know those subgroups? Have they been identified?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Because what I'm thinking is there's this whole reality that
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: NGOs quite often will take the money that they get
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: and be advocates for the politicians that give them the money.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: They'll do canvassing. They'll do campaigning.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So that could be very well going on right now.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Absolutely that's going on. To look at these fights that
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: go on in city council over this amount of money
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: for several years. NGOs, this, that process, that leverage support
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: process is so important to these city council members. And
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: you have to wonder why. I mean, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the NGOs do very good work, but we really don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That sums it up. We really don't know. That's terrible. That's,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: that is a failure by elected, uh, elected officials, a failure,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: nefarious failure. Probably. But see, they could clear the air.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: They could say, no, no, no, it's not nefarious. Here,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: we did the paperwork. We followed up where the money went.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Here's all the receipts, as we like to say. And
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: so you're wrong. They can't do that right now.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: No, they can't do that. And let me give you
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: just one other example. Talking about the budget committee meeting
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: the other day, they're fighting over $ 300, 000. Meanwhile, they're giving
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: a quarter of a million dollars to an organization over
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: the past, I don't know, seven years, whose CEO- earns
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: like $ 250, 000, $ 300, 000. Why are we giving money at that
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: level to organizations that are able to pay their CEOs
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: that amount of money? And that particular NGO, the mayor
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: sits on its board of directors.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Well, as I stare, you're wondering why I'm looking off
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: into the distance. I'm not. I'm looking at the monitor
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: attached to which is the list of the Cincinnati Public
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: School administration salaries. So That $ 200, 000 annual salary for that NGO,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: that guy's a piker. Look at what they're making over
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: at the Cincinnati Public Schools, Todd Zinser.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: Look at what Cheryl Long makes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my word. How much?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: $ 300, 000. Over $ 300, 000. Getting you banged for your buck, voters?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: On 55KRC, the talk station. 732, 55KRC, the talk station.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: He is the Citizen Watchdog. Find him on Facebook, Todd Zinsser,
• 1:25:36
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• 1:25:39
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• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Todd Zinsser, we were talking about these non-governmental organizations. And
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: since we have no paper trail, they do not tell
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: us where the money went. This is the big absence
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: of accountability that we are left with, the perception that, oh, gee,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: maybe the money is being used for nefarious purposes, like
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: for campaigning for politicians that hand the money out. Question.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: If you had the receipts, if some organization that gets
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: the allocation one of these million dollar you know checks
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: that are written out with taxpayer dollars and you knew
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: that some of that money or you could show that
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: some of that money went toward campaigning is that i
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: mean unethical clearly not what taxpayer dollars are expected to
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: be used for clearly but is it Against the charter,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: is it unlawful? Would it be perceived to be a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: misuse of funds because what they were charged to do
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: with the money is a different goal than campaigning? I mean,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: what is your take on the legality if that was revealed?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the first problem you have is that
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: many of these grants are just basic operating subsidies. So
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: the NGO has a budget. of X number of dollars
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: in order to fill some funding gap.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Some of it's city dollars.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Money's fungible. It sits in a big pile. Oh no,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: we didn't use that money for campaigning. That was this
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: portion of the savings account.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Like they, in their head are separating the dollars.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: That's right. So if the grant had specific deliverables attached
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: to it, which a lot of them do not, then
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: you could get some traction and try to hold them accountable.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: But a lot of this is just operating subsidies.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Specific deliverables, i.e., you need to accomplish this particular task.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: So in the absence of a specific deliverable, what is
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the organization receiving money for if it isn't written down?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: They're good works. They're good works, Brian.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Just general good works.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: That's my understanding, yeah.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Kumbha freaking ya there, Todd Zinser.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: This is heartbreaking.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Well, it's reality.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: I know, but I express frustration over this, but just
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: to know that it is so You've done a lot
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: of research to reveal this, but in doing your research,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: you're relying on things that are right out in the open.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Anybody who chose to do the work that you're doing
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: could easily find this, well, I would say absence of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: information and absence of accountability.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm hoping the city's financial statement auditor
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: will take note of some of these things and put
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: it in their report.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Well, is this just beyond the intellectual capacity of, say,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: a local journalist?
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Todd Zinser. We'll continue with Todd Zinser at
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: 735 right now, 55 KRC, The Talk Station. Let me
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: talk about Dr. Fred Peck.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: The Talk Station.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: 739-85-KRC, The Talk Station. Miracles can be big and they
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: can be really, really tiny. Just experienced a tiny miracle
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: today because we were getting ready to Todd Zinser's in-studio,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: our citizen watchdog, pivoting over to a new topic of conversation,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: channeling Dave Williams from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, who loves
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: to make fun of and joke about the stupidity of streetcars.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: We're going to dive into that topic. And just as
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: the mic came on, I looked up my Facebook feed.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: It just popped up. Some post from like nine hours
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: ago with two guys standing in front of the streetcar.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it's been 10 years since we opened
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati streetcar. Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah, whatever. Didn't work out
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: as well as they're saying, did it, Todd Zinsser?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Well, Brian, I think the first indication that perhaps the
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: streetcar hasn't been that successful is because 10 years later,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: we're still asking that question.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: When I saw the 10-year milestone mark, I thought, well,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: maybe I'll dig into this and see what this is
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: all about. Because I wasn't here when all the thrashing
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: and arguments occurred. And I thought I'd look into it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: John Cranley tried to put his foot down.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: I did see that.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: And what I found is that these claims of economic
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: benefit of the streetcar– They're totally exaggerated.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: There's no support for it. And just yesterday, I think,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: on WVXU, they had a little panel, and both the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: father of the streetcar and Mark Jeffries are touting $ 1. 4
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: billion of economic benefit.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that. You know what I immediately said
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: when I read that, wherever it was reported, Enquirer, local news,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I thought to myself, I remember a whole
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: bunch of projects already in development before they laid the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: first track of Streetcar, before it was even approved.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: And I've always attributed it, and I give them props
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: for redeveloping and cleaning up Washington Park.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Right across from Music Hall. It's a gorgeous park.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: And whatever money they put into that, I think it
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: had a great ROI because the neighborhood got cleaned up,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: cops started showing up there, they got rid of the drugs,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: and everybody started investing around Washington Park. Shocking.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: So I think the streetcar advocates need to go back
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: to high school statistics and refresh the difference between causation
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: and correlation. Because, yeah, there's been development around the streetcar.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: They failed that area of mathematics and were allowed to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: move forward to the next grade anyway, Todd.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: So I went and found a report that the Federal
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Transit Administration issued in 2018 that And it looked at
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: five different circulators in the country that they funded, including Cincinnati.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: And they used- Street cars. Street cars.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: What did I say?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Circulators.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: No, I know that's what they call it. That's a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: college term for it. You mean street car? Yeah, that's
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: So they used a lot of econometric modeling for their study.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: And with respect to the economic benefits of Cincinnati street car,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: the best they could say is that They could not disentangle.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: They said the fact that they put the streetcar in
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: an area that was already well underway in terms of redevelopment,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: you cannot disentangle the effect or the impact of the
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: streetcar in terms of economic benefits.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: So you reach around and you dig deep into your
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: sphincter and you pull out $ 1. 4 billion and use that
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: as a figure.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, based on the WVXU interviewer's thing yesterday, they cited
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: some kind of urban forward group or something like that.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, an NGO paid by the taxpayers?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Well, an NGO whose only mission in life is to
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: promote urban transit, they chose them to do their study.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: But those are the kind of things that the city
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: is notorious. I mean, just go back to the Farmer
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Music Center. They claim that that's going to have all
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: kinds of economic benefit. Meanwhile, we have a dozen other
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: music venues that And what I presented to the city
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: council is, how are you going to determine the impact
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: of Farmer Music Center when you have all these other
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: music venues?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: And we love competition, don't we, Todd Zinser?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, we do.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Which means the more music venues there are to choose from,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the lower price you're going to get as a music
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: venue for bringing some act to town. Because the guy
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: next door at the other music venue will undercut your cost.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: It's like the proportion. the proponents of a new sports arena,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: they assumed that the existing arena was going to go away.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's still there.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: And it's not going to go away. And the owners
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: of that said that.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I still call it the Coliseum.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I agree. That's how I view it. That's how I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: remember it.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: So on my first concert there, I used to go
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: to the Stingers game when my parents would take us,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: the old hockey days in the 70s.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: I was there for that Who's concert.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Coliseum. And it's still there. Shocking. Todd Zinser, on
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the railroad, I asked you earlier, if you were a
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: betting man, where would you put your stack of chips
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: on there being another leg to the streetcar? He said
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: that's never going to happen.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: No, I would not bet on that at all. Because
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: if you look at the cost, I mean, if this
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: streetcar costs $ 150 million in 2006, you can imagine how
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: much it's going to cost in— 2016, I guess. 2016,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. See, I do it, you do it. But
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: the costs are going to be astronomical. And you look
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: at the people that are advocating that, they're not paying
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: attention to the city's budget. They're not paying attention to
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: the state's budget. They're not paying attention to the federal budget.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: It's just very, very unlikely that that's ever going to happen.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Well, and they're blaming the Trump administration because apparently the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: members of city council, the mayor, whoever might advocate for
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: an extra leg, the streetcar advocates that are getting taxpayer
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: dollars to advocate for the streetcar, You can't blame Trump.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Biden didn't approve any money, federal money coming in for
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: an extra leg.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Well, what bothered me is that the mayor said that, yeah,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: it's never going to happen. This administration isn't friendly towards
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: these kind of projects, but we're not standing still. We've
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: got our bus rapid transit. I guess he doesn't understand
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: that the same program that would fund a streetcar expansion
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: has funded Cincinnati's a bus rapid transit system to the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: tune of $ 250 million, and that's 70% to 80% of
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: the cost of the systems. And if you compare it
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: to the streetcar, the federal contribution to the streetcar was
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: about 30% of the cost, and it was only $ 45 million.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: And so here Mr. Perval is criticizing the current administration
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: when they're going to get $ 250 million from the current administration.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: And it's outrageous. And I kind of hope nobody picks
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: up the phone and calls the Secretary of Transportation and say, hey, Mr.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: Perval was sitting there criticizing the current administration while you're
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: pending your distribution of that $ 250 million.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: It sounds like Todd Zender just assigned a task to
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: some listeners who might be inclined to make that phone call. Todd,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, your impish behavior. It's wonderful. That's kind
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: of in line with something I might say, had I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: thought it up. That's why we have you Citizen Watchdog.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: We've got a couple more minutes with Todd Zinser in
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: studio at 747 right now at 55KRC, the talk station.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: Foreign Exchange is going to be there on Monday. Get
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: my transmission fluid changed.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Really enjoying this hour with Todd Zinser, Citizen Watchdog in studio,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: going through all the shenanigans in downtown Cincinnati. And you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: come with some, obviously, street credibility with this, having been
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: an inspector general. For the Department of Transportation, where you
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: did work on transit project IG work.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: You've been through the paperwork. You know what they're supposed
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: to do. You can follow the numbers. Okay, fine. So
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: it's credibility. It's not just I'm an inspector general. I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: know what documents are, say. But I've dealt with this
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: type of project many times in the past. Considering we
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: were just talking about streetcars, it's on rails. What about
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: the railroad money, Todd Zinsser? I know you've identified some
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: serious problems with this in the past here on the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: morning show. But what's your boil-down status of the railroad money?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: Well, the problem I've found is that you recall that
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: the city is having a lot of problems spending the money.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: They're not spending the money in a timely way.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: They queue up a project, they identify a project, and
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: they allocate a dollar sign to it, but then apparently
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: nothing happens after that.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: Well, very little happens after that. So what are they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: doing with the unspent money? They get money from the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: railroad trust every quarter.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: It comes in.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: They're not paying any bills with it or very few
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: bills with it. So what are they doing with it?
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Putting in an interest bearing account to generate revenue.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Which is where the money should stay over at the
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: railroad trust fund. So it continues to generate more interest
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: in revenue until such time as they're ready to spend it.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's my, that's my recommendation to the board.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Now who can argue with that?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Well, they're all arguing with that, but here's the thing, Brian,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: it goes into the investment pool of the city and there's,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's not ideal, but okay, that's legal. And
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: if they have a number of restricted funds where they
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: have to keep track of what comes in and what
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: goes out and how much those restricted funds earn, well,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: they're not treating the railroad money like a restricted fund
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: like they should. What they're doing is it goes into
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: the investment pool, and that's the end of the accountability
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: of The railroad money.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: And so let me ask you this. Are there any
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: limitations on the interest generated in the investment pool? Can
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: they choose it for whatever they want? In other words,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: could they put that money, the interest generated toward all,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, new projects as opposed to existing? infrastructure,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: which they're limited to with the railroad money?
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the exact point because the interest earned on
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: the railroad money that's deposited into the investment account is
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: going into the general fund. And the general fund, they
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: can use for whatever they want. So I'm going down
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: to City Hall today and I'm going to point that out.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. I was just telling Joe to hit the
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: shenanigans down there.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: So I'm going down to City Hall today to raise
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: that issue with them because it's just not right.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: They're not going to answer your questions, Todd.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: No, but.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: They're going to sit on their cell phones while you
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: are asking legitimate questions. I'm just going to ignore you
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: and then ask the next guy to stand.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: Up and speak.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going downtown today. I'm going to the railroad
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: board next week. They have their quarterly meeting next week.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: And I also sent this issue as a follow-up to
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: the external auditor because I think they would be able
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: to determine whether this is appropriate or not. So I
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: don't have that authority or way to do that. So
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: I've referred it to the external auditor as well.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you have a form here, Todd Zinsser. To
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: the extent you get any answers to any questions, it's
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: going to be a first, I think. So you're welcome
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: to come back in or call in and let us
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: know exactly what happened. I'm very excited to hear what
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: the external auditor has to say because, well, real quick here,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: external suggests that they are independent of the political reality
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: within the city council, the mayor, and the city manager's office.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: That's the way it's supposed to work, yes.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: And do you perceive them to be truly sort of
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: apolitical in doing their research or you haven't been able
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: to draw a conclusion yet?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: Well, they're a reputable audit firm.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: But they've been working for the city for many years.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Well, like everybody else is getting money.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: In those situations, what should happen is that the audit
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: firm will rotate the people that are actually on the audit,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: and the audit manager should be rotated so that they
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: don't get too cozy with the audit subject. So I
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: don't know whether any of that's going on or not.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Well done, Todd Zinsser. As always, keep up the great work. And,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of taxpayers in downtown Cincinnati
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: who don't realize that what you are doing is for
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: their benefit.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: You can only imagine what would happen on a federal
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: level if it's this bad in downtown Cincinnati, fast and loose.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: What's sad to say is that I think it's actually
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: better at the federal level than Cincinnati.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: That is a bold statement, which we'll end on right there.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Todd Zinser, man, have a fantastic weekend, brother. We'll hopefully
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: get you back real soon.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Coming up, Joe Montgomery, Patriots landing, veteran remembrance event coming
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: up soon. He's going to talk all about that off
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: the top of the air news. And then, yay, it's Thursday.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: I heart media aviation expert Jay Ratliff at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the next Just shy of 8.06 here at 55KRCD
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  Speaker 1: Talk Station. Very, very happy Thursday slash Friday Eve. Call
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  Speaker 1: it what you want. Tomorrow, remembering the 25th anniversary, 9-11.
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  Speaker 14: Where were you?
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  Speaker 1: Talking a little bit about that. We'll talk with iHeartMedia
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  Speaker 1: aviation expert Jay Rath at the bottom of this hour.
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  Speaker 1: Get his thoughts and comments along those lines as well.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm pleased to welcome back to the
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  Speaker 1: 55 KRC Morning Show, a really outstanding organization helping out
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  Speaker 1: the American veteran. Patriots Landing, which you can find online
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  Speaker 1: at patriotslanding.org. Welcome back to the morning show. Joe Montgomery
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  Speaker 1: from Patriots Landing. Always a pleasure having you on the show, sir.
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  Speaker 10: Brian, my friend. Good morning from the national headquarters of
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  Speaker 10: Patriots Landing here in beautiful Williamstown, Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody should stop by. You can walk on in
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  Speaker 1: if you're in the neighborhood. If you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: the big boat, the ARC. It's right around the corner.
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  Speaker 1: You're in the same neighborhood. Make it a point to
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  Speaker 1: stop by Patriot's Landing where you're going to find veterans
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  Speaker 1: sharing camaraderie and engaging in woodcraft. And what you have
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  Speaker 1: is a shop there that you created for veterans to
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  Speaker 1: create some beautiful handmade veteran-made products, which you can find
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  Speaker 1: online at patriotslanding.org. Get something there like a flag box.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about the flag box, remind people about that, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: in a second. You've got the different type of wooden...
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  Speaker 1: crosses that you offer, which I have one of those
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  Speaker 1: in kind gift that you gave me one time, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: and the Patriots landing flags, like the nine flag, which
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  Speaker 1: is nine millimeter spent casings serving as the stars on
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  Speaker 1: an American flag made of wood. All cool products, all
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  Speaker 1: with the name of the veteran that built the dang
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  Speaker 1: thing right there on the back. So you got that
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  Speaker 1: to remember, but wonderful gifts for veterans. But what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing there, it's more than just a wood shop. You're
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  Speaker 1: providing an opportunity for veterans to, I don't know, have
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  Speaker 1: a shared space, if I can call it that, using
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  Speaker 1: a woke term there, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: You know, we love that one, but that's what it
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  Speaker 10: is rather. Uh, it's, it's, it's the camaraderie. It's the, um,
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  Speaker 10: it's the, um, being able to speak to someone who
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  Speaker 10: has been there and done that with you, which, and
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  Speaker 10: we talked about this before, Brian, you take any group
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 10: of individuals, you take a group of radio hosts, they're
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  Speaker 10: going to have shared experiences. They're going to be able
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  Speaker 10: to talk and understand each other. That's the same way
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  Speaker 10: in the veteran community. Um, uh, and, uh, what we, uh,
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  Speaker 10: The reason I wanted to speak with you this morning, sir,
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  Speaker 10: is to share some amazing news about an event that
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  Speaker 10: we are running next week down here at Patriots Landing.
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  Speaker 10: So it is four days of God and country. It
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  Speaker 10: is four days of celebrating veterans. It's four days of
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  Speaker 10: celebrating those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. And it's called
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  Speaker 10: A Nation Remembers, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: A nation remembers. And that on your website is what
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  Speaker 1: A-N-R refers to when you're talking about getting A-N-R tickets.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, in the ticket part, I don't want to
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  Speaker 10: confuse anybody because everything that we're going to have down
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  Speaker 10: here at Patriots Landing next week is absolutely 100%.
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  Speaker 14: Free to the public.
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  Speaker 10: So it kind of feels to me, maybe not to
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  Speaker 10: some other folks, like some of our celebration of America's
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  Speaker 10: 250th birthday has kind of come and gone. in a
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  Speaker 10: flash and we're going to, we're going to celebrate America.
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  Speaker 10: We're going to celebrate our veterans for four solid days
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  Speaker 10: next week. We are bringing in the 80% replica of
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  Speaker 10: the Vietnam wall, which is going to be in a
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  Speaker 10: field right next to Patriots landing. This, this thing is
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  Speaker 10: 360 foot long. Brian, so if you can imagine, you know,
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  Speaker 10: the length of a football field plus of the Vietnam wall,
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  Speaker 10: if you've never actually seen it, it's an incredible thing.
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  Speaker 10: We're bringing in the eyes of freedom.
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  Speaker 2: Memorial.
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  Speaker 10: We're bringing in the silent battle memorial. Uh, if you
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  Speaker 10: or your listeners have, uh, four or five minutes on
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  Speaker 10: your hands later today, you can, uh, I'll give you
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  Speaker 10: a good one to go and kind of get a
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  Speaker 10: feel for these memorials. You can go to the eyes
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  Speaker 10: of freedom website and they have a video about this
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  Speaker 10: silent battle sculpture. And it's, uh, it's about a four
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  Speaker 10: minute watch and about a four minute, maybe eight to
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  Speaker 10: 10 Kleenex watch because this thing brings grown men to their,
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  Speaker 10: to their, to their knees. And, uh, and, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 10: it's going to be something that all can enjoy. All
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  Speaker 10: can come down. We have a remembrance ceremony. We've got
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  Speaker 10: a really awesome parade lined up into Williamstown on Friday night.
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  Speaker 10: That's going to be amazing. We've got military vehicles. We've
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  Speaker 10: got a world war two Jeep. It'll be rolling down
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  Speaker 10: the middle of Williamstown, but, uh, The point I want
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  Speaker 10: to make, Brian, you know this, and this is how
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  Speaker 10: we do it, and you just brought it up about
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  Speaker 10: how we affect our veterans' lives in our shop. This
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  Speaker 10: event is about impacting people's lives. So family members, neighbors,
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  Speaker 10: we see it time and time again. Yes, we recognize
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  Speaker 10: our veterans. Yes, we appreciate them. But I'm going to
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  Speaker 10: tell you right now, Brian, the family members and the
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  Speaker 10: loved ones suffer as much. And, you know, when they
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  Speaker 10: come in, we had a bus in yesterday from Maryland,
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  Speaker 10: and I think we only had about two or three
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  Speaker 10: veterans on this bus. But the entire group, and, you know,
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  Speaker 10: these are seniors, 67 years old, you know, most of
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  Speaker 10: them are crying, most of them are remembering, because somebody's
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  Speaker 10: connected somewhere to a veteran.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Their sister, aunt, uncle, child, niece, nephew. So this is
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  Speaker 10: four days of impacting people's lives, so we're trying to
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  Speaker 10: get the word.
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  Speaker 6: Out about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pleased to be a vehicle to let you do that.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a wonderful thing. You talk about the families.
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  Speaker 1: On some level, they're not getting shot at, but it's
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  Speaker 1: probably worse for the family just worrying and wondering because
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  Speaker 1: the veteran is out in the sandbox or has been
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  Speaker 1: deployed to some particular station or is at some field
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  Speaker 1: of combat. They know what they're doing. They know what
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  Speaker 1: they're facing. But they're not keeping in constant communication with
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  Speaker 1: a family who's completely left in the dark. So I
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  Speaker 1: cannot imagine that level of frustration. Hell, it's bad enough
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: when your kid goes off to college and you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, which I just did, by the way, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, congratulations.
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  Speaker 10: I'm feeling that pain.
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  Speaker 1: Are you complete empty nester now, Joe?
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  Speaker 10: Well, since I only had one, yep.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, man.
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  Speaker 10: Junior's off in Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: But you nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: And you nailed it.
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  Speaker 10: With just me even saying something as simple as they
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  Speaker 10: sacrificed as much. I used to say that the family's
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  Speaker 10: suffer similarly, but a lot of them suffer more. And
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  Speaker 10: I'll give you a perfect example. The DAV, which is
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  Speaker 10: a huge supporter of ours, the oldest veterans organization, just
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  Speaker 10: a tremendous organization. They have their national headquarters up there
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  Speaker 10: in Erlanger. They're supporting this event. They literally just took
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  Speaker 10: the resources and created a whole department for caregivers. So
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  Speaker 10: those who care for the veterans, they come back because
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  Speaker 10: they're They're kind of in the shadows. We won't go
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 10: down too deep into the veteran suicide hole because it's
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: a horrible, horrible thing. But I was reading an article
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  Speaker 10: the other week that talked about family members, in particular
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  Speaker 10: spouses of veterans, where the suicide rate is starting to
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  Speaker 10: go up. So, you know, here at Patriots Landing, we
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  Speaker 10: are literally about embracing anybody that's infected from someone who's
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  Speaker 10: signed on that dotted line. And, you know, the good
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  Speaker 10: folks at V and I know the KDVA, which is
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  Speaker 10: another sponsor of ours, has a whole department dedicated to
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  Speaker 10: that as well. So, you know, the wives, the female veterans,
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  Speaker 10: we're going to be honoring our female veterans in our
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  Speaker 10: parade on Friday. So, It's kind of the whole ball
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  Speaker 10: of wax that we try to encompass down here in
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  Speaker 10: just impacting people's lives.
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  Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing, man. And last time you were on,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of the broader reach for Patriots Landing and its mission,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it a more senior-aged woman whose husband served that
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  Speaker 1: she found Patriots Landing and ended up in your woodshop?
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  Speaker 1: She did.
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  Speaker 2: She did.
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  Speaker 10: So I'm sitting here in our showroom and there's two
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  Speaker 10: things on our wall. And it's our mission statement, you know,
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  Speaker 10: sitting right next to one of our burial flag cases,
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  Speaker 10: which you mentioned earlier. It says a rural faith-based veterans
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  Speaker 10: woodshop whose mission is to enhance the lives of veterans
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  Speaker 10: and their families.
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  Speaker 4: On the left.
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  Speaker 10: Side by our flag, it says, I heard your prayer.
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  Speaker 10: Trust my timing, God. And those are kind of the
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  Speaker 10: mantra that we march to every day. But Miss Goody,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 10: Miss Goody is her name. She is very German. And
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 10: she met her husband while he was serving in Germany,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: and they spent many years over there. And she came
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 10: over here with him and fell in love with America.
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  Speaker 10: And he died suddenly, now probably about two years ago,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 10: at the cemetery across the street from us when Goody
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  Speaker 10: came in. and, uh, was, was upset and crying and
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 10: she needed a burial fly case. And that's where we
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  Speaker 10: met Goody. And over the course of the next year,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 10: Goody would come in probably once a month when she
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  Speaker 10: visited her husband, just upset and, you know, down and depressed. And, and, um,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 10: you know, we would tell her, come on in, you know,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 10: so they used to scroll saw, they used to go
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 10: to wood fairs and, and a year to the date, uh,
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  Speaker 10: she came down to see her hubby and she walked
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  Speaker 10: in and she wasn't crying. And, And she, you know,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 10: in my best German accent, you know, she said, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 10: And as we come to find out now, a couple
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  Speaker 10: of years later, she had been sitting on her couch,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 10: not doing anything, spiraling down, depressed, not eating. And, you know,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 10: we never claim to be a one fix for all.
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  Speaker 10: There's many different ways that people heal and many different
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 10: ways that people remember and grieve. But Miss Goody is
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  Speaker 10: now part of the family, and she comes in probably
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  Speaker 10: three times a week. And she'll look you right in
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  Speaker 10: the eye, Brian, and tell you that we saved her
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  Speaker 10: and that she loves us and that we're her family now.
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  Speaker 10: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Montgomery, Patriots Landing. I am having an allergy attack
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: listening to that story. I know what you guys have
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  Speaker 1: done over the years, and I can just, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it gets you emotional, man. That's what gets
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  Speaker 1: you in the shop every single day, Joe Montgomery, doing
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  Speaker 1: right by the American veteran and also helping yourself out
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  Speaker 1: at the same time along those lines, right?
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  Speaker 10: Very blessed man, Brian. We are both very blessed. I
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  Speaker 10: think you know those of us in our age bracket
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  Speaker 10: that kind of figure out what life's about. It's not
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  Speaker 10: about the big things or the money or the objects
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  Speaker 10: or all that. It's about the people you're around. It's
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  Speaker 10: about family.
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  Speaker 3: It's about.
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  Speaker 10: We tell all of our groups that come in here
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  Speaker 10: and everybody that walks in, you think about it. You're
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 10: coming to little old Williamstown, and you walk in a red, white,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 10: and blue building with a bunch of flags out front,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 10: and you see all these wood products and all that.
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  Speaker 10: And we make it a point to make sure that
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  Speaker 10: you feel loved and welcomed and appreciated when you walk
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  Speaker 10: into our building. And how hard is that, right, buddy?
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  Speaker 10: And it's just people walk out of here just gobsmacked. Like,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 10: what did I just do there? I mean, they'll spend
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  Speaker 10: an hour here. It's that people don't come in for
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 10: 10 minutes. They're in the back. They're talking to Wild Bill,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 10: you know, our 90-year-old Air Force veteran who still comes
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 10: in three times a week. And, you know, we hope
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 10: and pray, and our reviews on Google, if you will,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 10: paint a pretty good picture that people very much enjoy
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  Speaker 10: visiting us down here in our veterans.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Joe Montgomery, I'll say it again.
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  Speaker 1: God bless you for the work you're doing and everybody
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: that's affiliated with the Patriots Landing. And I will strongly
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: encourage you, if you're listening, you're near Williamsburg, sometimes swing
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: on in. They'll welcome you. I mean, you don't have
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: to schedule an appointment in advance to stop in. It's
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: a wood shop and it's a store. Buy something while
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: you're there to support the cause and support what these
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: veterans are doing. If you're a veteran out there and
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: this sounds like something that would benefit your world, Joe's
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: ready to talk to you. Just head on over. Patriots
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  Speaker 1: landing.org for all the details about the, uh, the, the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: shop and what they do, the pro the products they sell,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: you can donate to contribute to the mission that Joe's
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: dealing with here, but also a nation remembers weekend that
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: starts Saturday, right?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 10: It starts, uh, it actually starts next Wednesday, the 16th. Well,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 10: it'll start Tuesday. I don't know. You can Google Brian. Um,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 10: The America 250 truck, there's 70 of these trucks circling
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 10: around the United States this year. There was like 40,000
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 10: applications to have one of these. It's an interactive semi-tractor trailer,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 10: all wrapped, beautiful, of American history. I think a George
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 10: Washington hologram gets used to come in. That's going to
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 10: be on site Tuesday through Thursday.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Tuesday through Thursday.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 10: The wall will be up on Tuesday. We've got a
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 10: field of honor, 500 three-by-five American flags that will be
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 10: placed in the field. It's going to be spectacular. It's
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 10: going to be, you know, bring the kids, bring the grandmas, bring,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 10: you know, anybody that really wants to come down and just,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 10: like I say, it's all here at Patriots Landing. It's
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 10: all free. Come to the parade in Williamstown on Friday night,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 10: Thursday night at the Mount Church next to us. We
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 10: have a remembrance ceremony. Let me tell you one real
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 10: quick interesting fact just about the parade. Brian, so that Friday,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 10: next Friday, happens to be National POW MIA Day. So
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 10: our grand marshal for the parade is a veteran named
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 10: Bill Robinson. Bill's helicopter was shot down in Vietnam very
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 10: early in the war in 1965. He was captured. He
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 10: spent seven and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my word.
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  Speaker 10: He is the longest enlisted.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 10: Prisoner of war in the history of American warfare. He
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 10: will be our grand marshal for Friday night's parade. I
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 10: spoke with this man. I have not met him yet.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 10: You will really appreciate this. He is kind. He is funny.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 10: He is happy. He's got stories like you wouldn't believe.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 10: He says, I was on the welcoming committee. I welcomed
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 10: John McCain into the Hinoi Hilton. And I said, Mr. Robinson,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 10: I said, buddy, I said, if there's anybody the way
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 10: y'all got treated when you came back, that deserves to
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 10: maybe be a little bit scorned or a little bit
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 10: like this, you know, it would be you. And you
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  Speaker 10: always said, he says, uh, Joe, if I come back
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 10: angry and I'm one, do I choose happiness?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: There's some perspective.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: The other guy, one, if you walk around miserable because
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: of that experience, that's a good point. That's one that really,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: would serve a lot of people day in and day out,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: regardless of whether they actually got locked in a prison camp.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: A man like that can come out with a smile
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: on his face. That's a lesson to be learned. Joe Montgomery,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Patriots Landing. You know what? Joe Strecker, my executive producer,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: you know Joe. He's put the link to a nationremembersweekend.org
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: on the page. We've got the Patriots Landing. KRC, the
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: talk station. 830, think about KRC, the talk station. Always
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: extra special Thursday, Friday Eve, because we get to hear
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: from iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay Ratliff. I really appreciate you
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: being on the phone, Jay, and on the show on Thursdays.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Topics can be light, but of course with tomorrow, the
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: 25th anniversary of an event that I think everyone who
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: was aware of it when it happened feels like it
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  Speaker 1: literally was yesterday, 9-11. Less than a fun and games
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  Speaker 1: topic this morning. And I don't think I recall talking
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  Speaker 1: with you about where you were on 9-11. So I
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  Speaker 1: kind of just want to hit the ground running with
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  Speaker 1: that one, Jay, since you had such a storied career
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  Speaker 1: in aviation.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: The Northwest Airlines at the time. And leading up to then,
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  Speaker 16: we were getting monthly briefings from the FAA and the
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  Speaker 16: FBI about the Osama bin Laden planning some sort of
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  Speaker 16: a spectacular attack. And it had elevated to the extent,
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  Speaker 16: from an intelligence standpoint, that it was beyond a credible threat.
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  Speaker 16: So we were worried about surface-to-air missiles. We were concerned
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  Speaker 16: about checked luggage, which domestically wasn't being screened. Literally, it
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 16: went from the counter to the tug to the plane.
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  Speaker 16: And we thought, okay, that might be compromised. So yeah,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 16: we were just waiting. And then, of course, when The
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 16: attacks happened when the second plane hit. We knew we
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 16: were under attack. We knew it was bin Laden, and
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  Speaker 16: we knew more planes were probably involved. And that's why,
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  Speaker 16: to me, one of the many heroes that we had
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  Speaker 16: that day, and we had so many, but in aviation,
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  Speaker 16: certainly the 33 crew members that we lost on the
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  Speaker 16: four flights, but also in aviation was Ben Sliney. Ben
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  Speaker 16: was the operations manager of the FAA that was in
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 16: charge at the top that made the call, look, we
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 16: have 4,200 airplanes in the sky. We've got them all now. Now,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 16: the issue was that had never been thought of. There
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 16: was no plan. There was no procedures, nothing other than
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 16: each air traffic controller, these planes within your control, get
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 16: them on the ground now. That meant any plane in
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  Speaker 16: the air was a possible threat. And it was the
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  Speaker 16: only way to deal with what was going on. And Brian,
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  Speaker 16: the thing about that, Ben Sliney made this incredible gutsy
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 16: call On his first day on the job.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Baptism by fire much?
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  Speaker 5: Whoa.
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  Speaker 16: I'm telling you, we had the right guy at the right.
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  Speaker 16: He was very intelligent. He had been an air traffic
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  Speaker 16: controller before. He was a lawyer, so he had that
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  Speaker 16: brain process from a, okay, let's work through this issue.
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  Speaker 16: And he did a great job. And once every plane
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 16: was on the ground, I think they did that in
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 16: 90 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It was unreal.
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  Speaker 16: But once it was done, we could identify the few
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 16: airplanes that remained, including United 93, that gave us at
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 16: least the opportunity to initially dispatch a military intercept. So, yeah,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 16: that was just a horrific day. And, you know, we
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 16: didn't have any planes flying for like, I think, three
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 16: or four days after that. And to walk anywhere that
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  Speaker 16: day and the days after, for me, you'd look up
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 16: and see no airplane anywhere. other than an occasional military aircraft.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 16: So I remember thinking how depressing it was that something
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  Speaker 16: that was near and dear to my heart, as far
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 16: as my love of aviation, was actually used as an
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 16: instrument of terror. We had never considered airplanes being used
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 16: as a missile, ever. Airline crews were taught bank teller mentality.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 16: You talk with the hijackers, you do what they want,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 16: you fly where they want, you land where they want.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 16: You do exactly what you're told. Everybody from the security
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  Speaker 16: checkpoint to the people on board the airplane were following
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 16: established protocol. There was no breakdown in security. There was
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 16: no breakdown in procedure on the flights. Everybody was doing
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 16: what they were trained to do. And, yeah, it was just,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 16: you know. And I also thought at that time, Brian, that, okay,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 16: that's the new norm. We're going to start having shopping
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 16: malls attacked, bus stations attacked. We're going to be like
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 16: a lot of these other places.
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  Speaker 5: In the world.
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  Speaker 16: And had you told me back then that 25 years
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 16: would pass, absent of any of those things, I wouldn't
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 16: have believed it. But it's really a testament to a
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 16: lot of the men and women behind the scenes that
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 16: we know nothing about. They continue to thwart every other
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 16: type of attack that is put against this country. Because
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 16: they're active. They're ongoing.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: You and I know that.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 16: And they're doing a great job of keeping us safe. But, yeah,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 16: that's a day I'll never, ever, ever forget. And if
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 16: you've ever seen that documentary from the two French brothers
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 16: that were actually doing a summer intern report type thing
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 16: at one of the fire stations in downtown New York,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 16: it is one of the most riveting documentaries of that
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  Speaker 16: because it was real time as it was happening before, during,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 16: and after. And I've never seen anything like it.
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  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff, we will continue this discussion, remembering 9-11, which, again,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: the anniversary 25th is tomorrow, believe it or not. It's
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: 835 right now. We've got more, and we'll find out
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: what the hell happened with that Amazon plane in Miami,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: a different station. You ever been in a cockpit before?
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff has. He's iHeartMedia aviation expert, and we get
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: him here on the 55KC Morning Show every Thursday for
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: a few segments, which I thoroughly enjoy. Talking about 9-11,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: the 25th anniversary tomorrow. A date that will live in infamy,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: of course. And I had a couple of questions and
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: you were talking about your experience with that. And you
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: mentioned that before the terrorist attacks that you've been getting
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: as being in the aviation industry, you've been getting reports of,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: you know, this potential attack by Osama bin Laden. You
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: were thinking about rockets or at least our intelligence officials
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: were thinking of something like, you know, surface to air
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: missiles or something along those lines. Did you did say,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: you know, just kind of want to double down on
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: what you said that they didn't. The powers that be,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: the intelligence officials, nobody thought about a plane being used
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: as the missile. Is that accurate?
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  Speaker 16: In none of the circles that I was around, I
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 16: was heavily involved in the security.
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  Speaker 4: Side of things.
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  Speaker 16: And it was never discussed. There was a lot of
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 16: things we were concerned about. And as you went through
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 16: the list, it was always a look back at what
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 16: had happened before and how can we prevent that from happening.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 16: there was very little forward thinking about what else could happen.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 16: People had tried to blow up planes. They had tried
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 16: to shoot planes down.
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  Speaker 1: Carlos the Jackal back in the 70s, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. That's it.
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  Speaker 16: So what we look at is what's happened before. But
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 16: we were so caught off guard by that that, yeah.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 16: And literally when it was apparent after that second plane hit,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 16: They sent ACAR messages or electronic messages to all the
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 16: flight crews to the cockpit saying to do what you
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 16: could to barricade the door, put the seatbelt side on,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 16: make sure everybody remained seated. In essence, we were under
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 16: attack and planes were being used. So that's why after
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 16: the first two planes hit, the other two planes, the
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 16: Pentagon and United Airlines Flight 93, those crews knew what
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 16: was going on. And it was just a horrific situation because,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 16: you know, they were using those airplanes as missiles. And
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 16: the idea that somebody would remove the pilots and themselves
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 16: fly the airplane, no. That was something that, at least
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 16: in the circles that I was around, was never even considered.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 16: And we had some outside-the-box thinking big time on security issues.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 16: And my biggest concern at the time was the fact
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 16: that check bags weren't strained. Because I thought, you know,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 16: if we've got 40 or 50 people willing to die
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 16: and they check a bomb, they can bring down 50 airplanes.
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  Speaker 1: And that will be more consistent with prior terrorism scenarios
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  Speaker 1: where they basically blew themselves up and blew the plane up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 16: They strap a bomb to themselves and away they go.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 16: And at the time we had positive passenger bag match,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 16: which meant if you didn't fly, it didn't show up
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 16: for the flight. The plane didn't leave until your bag
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 16: was removed. But there was a time before that that
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 16: we didn't have it, meaning you could check in at
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 16: the ticket counter, put whatever you wanted in your bag,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 16: hit go to the plane, and you could go home.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 16: So it was after the bombing of Pan Am 103
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  Speaker 16: over Lockerbie, Scotland, that the investigation said, hey, we really
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 16: need to start screening checked bags. That has to happen.
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  Speaker 16: We can't have a loss of life on this because,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 16: in essence, we could see it happening. Now, this explosive
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 16: took place inside the cabin, but still we recognize that
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 16: checked luggage not being screened domestically was a big-time issue.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 16: But instead of screening bags, they said, here's what we'll do,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 16: and they asked those stupid questions that we asked a
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 16: billion times. Did you pack the bags yourself? Have they
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 16: been in your possession the whole time? Has any unknown
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 16: party approached you asking you to carry anything aboard the
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 16: board's planes? That was our response to Pan Am 103,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 16: which was the dumbest thing in the world. But, you know,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 16: we could check the box that we've done something. And
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 16: that's why I was so infuriated. And I used to
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 16: get in so much trouble from walking out of meetings
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 16: with the FAA because we were talking about the same
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 16: topic month after month and year after year. I said,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 16: we're not serious about this. And it's a waste of
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 16: my time. And I'm leaving because it's absolutely ridiculous for
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 16: us to think that the fact that people think bags
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 16: are being screened, to be okay with it not being screened.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 16: And I was told that by numerous airline safety executives
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 16: that said, Jay, we're not worried about that because the
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 16: perception is the bags are screened. We're not going to
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 16: tell them anything different. I remember a CNN producer once
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 16: going toe-to-toe with me saying, Jay, what you're saying is wrong.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 16: Of course the bags are screened. I said, no, they're not.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 16: They are not domestically. Now, occasionally there might be, if
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 16: there was a threat, Or internationally, there was a percentage
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 16: that was, but none of the domestic bags were being screened.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 16: So we were told you couldn't do it. People would
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 16: have to show up five hours early.
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  Speaker 4: The cost, the.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 16: Delay, it would change aviation. We just can't do it. And,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 16: of course, when the attacks happened, one of the things
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 16: that we knew we had to do was say, hey,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 16: this has to be fixed now. And we went to
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 16: screening bags, and we got very good at it with
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 16: the technology and training. Now people still show up an hour,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 16: hour and a half before departure. On the plane they go,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 16: the bags are screened, no problem at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing what we can overcome by way of challenges.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: We just put our mind to it, Jay Ratliff. Or
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: are threatened by death and destruction. That'll motivate people. Anyway,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: real quick here, just an observation. You had mentioned that
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: the passengers on Flight 93 and the crew were aware
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: that their plane had been hijacked. And, of course, the
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: heroism cannot be understated in them basically flying it into
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: the ground to save life and people on the ground.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: But the whole notion... of scrambling a fighter jet that
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: might be required to shoot the plane down with a
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: bunch of innocent civilians on to keep it from doing
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: even more harm. How would you like to have to
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: have that responsibility land in your lap?
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 16: Well, I mean, at that point in time, the order
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 16: was these planes were not going to hit any other
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 16: government facility. If the capital was being targeted, that plane
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 16: was coming down. And you would deal with the aftermath later.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 16: But you had to protect the lives on the ground and,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 16: in essence, what some of these things that represented our
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 16: country is being as far as some of the buildings,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 16: different types of things, and obviously trying to protect lives.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 16: And now that is a standing order. That's why we
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 16: had a, it was a Cathay Pacific flight that was
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 16: flying Hong Kong to London. The crew went to a
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 16: different frequency by mistake. They went radio silent for a
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 16: period of time.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 16: And what happens is when a plane goes radio silent,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 16: you fear the worst. And they dispatch military intercept. And
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 16: the crews sit in there in the airplane.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 13: What the hell?
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 16: They got fighter jets on both sides. They're like, hey,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 16: what's going on? They realize they were on the wrong
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 16: frequency and quickly got on the right one and apologized,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 16: I'm sure, repeatedly. But that's the protocol around the globe.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 16: We take no chances because we can't afford to. And
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 16: airplanes being used. That's why I keep saying that these
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 16: airplanes will remain overnight, that people can jump the little fence,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 16: get onto the ramp, grab an airplane, taxi, take off
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 16: before we can have that military intercept, is to me
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 16: one of the biggest concerns I've got right now. Because
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 16: that's a hole we haven't plugged. And anytime we've got
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 16: a stowaway, anytime somebody's strolling across a tarmac or runway,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 16: it's a very, very clear sign we're not doing enough.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff putting an exclamation point on that one. We'll
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: come back, we'll find out what the hell happened to
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: that FedEx plane in Miami and maybe why that guy
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: got duct taped to his seat. Is that standard protocol?
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: Because it wouldn't be real easy to deplane in an
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: emergency that way. More with Jay Ratliff. It's 847 at 55KRC,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: the talk station. 55KRC. Hop into our time machine because
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: I'm taking you to the talk station. 850 on a
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: Friday evening. Happy one to you. Tomorrow, Tech Friday with
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. And, of course, the real anniversary of 9-11.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Talked a little bit about that with our media. I
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: heard aviation expert this morning here, Jay Ratliff, on the line.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: Let's pivot over. The plane was going too fast, this
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: FedEx or the Amazon plane. And it should have. I
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: got the idea. I keep hearing that maybe they should
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: have pulled up and taken another pass at it. But
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: clearly the reason for that is obvious since it crashed.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: How did this happen, Jay?
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  Speaker 16: Apparently, there was a time during all this that they
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 16: thought about doing it and actually started to go around
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 16: and then stop. But a lot of moving parts here.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 16: And one of the things that we do know, the
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 16: plane was coming in too fast. In fact, we know
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 16: from the flight data that it crossed the runway coming
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 16: into land at roughly, round numbers here, 200 miles an hour.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: Typically, you've got an.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 16: Airplane that's coming in, it's going to be 160 miles
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 16: an hour and less as it's coming.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 6: In, landing.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 16: You've got a runway, and divide that runway in thirds.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 16: The first third is typically when a jet will land.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 16: The second third is as it slows, and the third
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 16: is kind of the taxi and turnoff to go where
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 16: we are going. These guys didn't land until halfway down
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 16: the runway, way farther than they should have. And when
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 16: you look at the video, the first thing that I
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 16: saw that was an immediate concern was the first gear
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 16: that hit. You know, typically an airplane comes in, the two–
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 16: Main back gears land, and then you rotate forward, and
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 16: the nose gear comes to a rest on the runway.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 16: It was the forward nose gear that hit first. Now,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 16: I've seen that happen with such force that it collapses
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 16: that forward landing gear. It didn't happen here. But the
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 16: forward landing gear hits, and then the right one, the
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 16: left one is still up in the air. It's going
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 16: down the runway, and it's tilted to one side. By
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 16: the time they were able to get that left gear down,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 16: they're so far down the way, yeah, that would have
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 16: been the time to do the go-around if they would
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 16: have had enough real estate. They were quickly running out
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 16: of it. The problem was the speed that they were
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 16: going at that time, let's say 170 miles an hour,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 16: the wings are trying to do what the wings do
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 16: and lift that airplane off the ground. And you've got
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 16: a crew that's trying to get the airplane on the ground.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 6: And there's three.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 16: speed reduction systems, if you will. The first one is
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 16: obviously the brakes, the primary thing. Then after the brakes,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 16: you have the spoilers or the air brakes, the things
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 16: that pop up at the back of the wings. It
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 16: helps to kind of provide a little bit of a
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 16: brace there. And then you've got the reverse thrusters. The
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 16: problem is those can't be engaged until you've got both
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 16: mains on the ground to activate these other systems. So
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 16: they simply have no time. And the investigation is going
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  Speaker 16: to be in eight to 12 months. We're hearing little
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 16: bits and pieces from the NTSB. We'll get a 30-day
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  Speaker 16: briefing and then nothing until the final report. We don't
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  Speaker 16: know if it was a mechanical situation or if the
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  Speaker 16: pilots were in error. And one thing we have been
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  Speaker 16: told is that apparently from the cockpit voice recorder that
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  Speaker 16: the NTSB were covered, one of the pilots was telling
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  Speaker 16: the other pilot, we're coming in too hot, too heavy,
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  Speaker 16: too fast. And apparently those were repeatedly mentioned without a
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  Speaker 16: response from the other pilot. Now, again, this is preliminary.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know.
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  Speaker 16: We've got to see what's going on. But, yeah, just
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  Speaker 16: a horrific situation. They landed long. They go off the
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  Speaker 16: end of the runway. And some airports have what's called
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  Speaker 16: an EMAS system. It's like the truck runoff.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 16: You see on the interstate where a truck loses its brakes.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: The issue is if you've got 1,000 feet past the runway–
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  Speaker 16: As a safety barrier, you're not required to have the
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  Speaker 16: ski mask material, the engineering materials arresting system, as I
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  Speaker 16: think what they call it, where the aircraft would basically
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  Speaker 16: kind of fall down into this and it would slow
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  Speaker 16: to a stop. They did not need it at this
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  Speaker 16: runway because of the excessive amount. Well, they went not
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 16: only 1,000 but 1,300 feet past. before this airplane came
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  Speaker 16: to a halt. And Brian, when you look at the
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  Speaker 16: moment that the cockpit voice recorder stopped, it's a suggestion
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 16: of when the crash occurred and the airplane was moving
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  Speaker 16: at 75 miles an hour. Now, if that's true, and again,
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  Speaker 16: this is preliminary data we're looking at, that's the speed
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  Speaker 16: at which they hit the vehicles that contain the people.
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  Speaker 16: I can't imagine- That kind of an impact at that
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  Speaker 16: speed with something that big. It's just beyond horrific. And sadly,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 16: lives were lost. But I tell you what, the head
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 16: of the MTSB, she's a bulldog. She's going to get
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 16: to the bottom of it. She's got an all-star team.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 16: They're going to do a great job. We'll know exactly
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 16: if there was mechanical situations, pilot error, a combination of things.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff. We'll keep the duct tape guy on the
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: list for next week's Rata Time. And real quick here,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: we had two karma events this morning. I looked up
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  Speaker 1: as you were talking about running off the end of
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: the runway. Enter the Babylon Bee. Attribution, of course, necessary
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: given the sexist meme they sent out. Delta Airlines adds
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  Speaker 1: a little hanging tennis ball to the end of runway
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  Speaker 1: for female pilots. Too soon, Jay? Too soon. Fair enough. Way,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: way too soon.
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  Speaker 4: Way too soon.
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  Speaker 1: I just say, listen, it's their post, not mine. It's
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: felt necessary to read it.
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  Speaker 10: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff, God bless.
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  Speaker 4: You, sir.
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  Speaker 16: A lot of times when people are joking, certainly about
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 16: accidents and things that happen, or there's injury or a
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 16: loss of life, I never go there.
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  Speaker 1: You're a better person for being that way, Jay Ratliff.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: That's your personality. You are a good man, and I
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: appreciate your Facebook posts throughout the week because they're always
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: very inspirational and uplifting. Not enough out of there around
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: like that. Jay Ratliff, we'll do this and then next Thursday.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the time you spent with my listeners and me.
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  Speaker 1: And as always, we'll end on best of health and
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: love to you and your better half.
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  Speaker 16: I appreciate it, Brian.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Jay. 8.56 right now. If you didn't get a
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: chance to listen live, FOP President Ken Cope.