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  Speaker 1: If you told me that Jet Williams is going to
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  Speaker 1: become the Mets everyday second baseman of you know, for five, six,
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  Speaker 1: seven years.
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  Speaker 2: That wouldn't shock me.
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  Speaker 1: And if you told me it's gonna be the center
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  Speaker 1: fielder for you know, next you until he hits free agencies,
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't shock me either.
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  Speaker 3: The New York Mets farm system keeps getting better, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk about this next guy. He is
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  Speaker 3: their number one prospect according to Baseball America. Let's hit
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  Speaker 3: the prospect profile. It's a fun name too, Scottie Bron
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  Speaker 3: JJ Cooper, Jeff Ponds. I'm talking about Jet Williams. That's
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  Speaker 3: a fun name. And he's not the biggest dude. He's
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  Speaker 3: not what they look like as some would say for
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  Speaker 3: a top prospect JJ. But why is he number one
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  Speaker 3: in their system?
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  Speaker 1: You know how he had Bob Walk and Bob Walk
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  Speaker 1: was a terrible name for a pitcher who kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know, threw strikes. Jet Williams is a perfect name
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  Speaker 1: for Jet Williams because when you ask, well, what's Jet
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  Speaker 1: Williams game like, it's their speed, you know, in addition
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  Speaker 1: to some power on base skills. All that the thing
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  Speaker 1: I can't get away from though, like you mentioned, he's
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  Speaker 1: not the tall guy. Five foot six is what he's
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  Speaker 1: listed at. I think when I started Baseball America, which
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  Speaker 1: is more years ago than I would like to admit,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd have been our number one
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  Speaker 1: Mets prospect, because there was a time where we were
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  Speaker 1: really I would say that we got really concerned about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, stature, right, like a five foot six guys
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  Speaker 1: he gonna have enough impact?
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  Speaker 2: Is he gonna hit the ball hard enough?
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  Speaker 1: Is he gonna hold up in the mind in the
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  Speaker 1: major league grind enough to be, you know, an impact
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  Speaker 1: player in the big leagues. And Jose Altuve and Dustin
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  Speaker 1: Pedroia and guys like that have really kind of paved
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  Speaker 1: the way kind of shown like, hey, it's not how
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  Speaker 1: tall you are, it's kind of how strong you are.
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  Speaker 1: And there are some advantages also to being five foot six.
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  Speaker 1: Jet Williams gets on base. Jet Williams has a good
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  Speaker 1: eye of the strike zone, and you have a short swing.
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  Speaker 1: When you're that, you know, you have shorter levers, makes
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  Speaker 1: it a little user to control that swing. So I
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  Speaker 1: put all that together, Jeff, like, what is it that
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  Speaker 1: really kind of jumps out to you and makes Jet
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  Speaker 1: the number one prospect in a Mets system that has
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  Speaker 1: a couple of guys who are solid candidates.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think you know some really good pitchers there,
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  Speaker 5: of course, But you know, I think the thing with
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  Speaker 5: at Williams and you talk to scouts or even just
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  Speaker 5: you know, sit on a couple of games and just
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  Speaker 5: sort of see how he plays the game, you know,
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  Speaker 5: ultra competitive, ultra fiery, you know, sort of a guy
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  Speaker 5: that you would say plays with his hair on fire,
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  Speaker 5: but versatile tools. Maybe not the most tooled up guy,
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  Speaker 5: but there are some loud tools that will show from
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  Speaker 5: time to time. There is speed, there's more impact than
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  Speaker 5: you think. I mean, there's been you know, ninety percent.
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  Speaker 5: Bile ev is like above one oh three point five,
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  Speaker 5: so it's about major league average.
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  Speaker 4: So he does a lot of things really well.
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, not necessarily a shortstop long term,
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  Speaker 5: but probably has the ability to play there a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: could fit in center field, second base. I think he's
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  Speaker 5: a guy that could almost be like a super utility type,
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  Speaker 5: play a bunch of different positions, hit at the top
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  Speaker 5: of a lineup. As you mentioned, his on base skills
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  Speaker 5: are excellent. There's bats of ball skills there as well.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of had an underwhelming regular season in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: four due to some injuries, but shows sparks again in AFL,
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  Speaker 5: and I think with a full healthy offseason, could be
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  Speaker 5: poised to potentially make the jump and help the Mets
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  Speaker 5: this year.
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  Speaker 1: We know he had a risk injury, that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: something we're hoping in twenty twenty five is kind of
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  Speaker 1: put behind him. But that's kind of one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons he went to the years in a fall league.
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  Speaker 1: But really that's kind of the key thing for the Mets,
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  Speaker 1: the key things for Jet Williams in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: This should be the year he arrives in the big leagues,
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  Speaker 1: but it's mainly about staying healthy. And what is interesting
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  Speaker 1: about this And I wanted to see what you think
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  Speaker 1: about this, Jet, Jeff. But when I look at Jet
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  Speaker 1: Williams and you say, okay, if I'm a Mets fan,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen him play, and you say, well, give
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  Speaker 1: me a description of him. It's kind of a similar
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  Speaker 1: skill set to Luis anhel Akunya, who also kind of
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  Speaker 1: had a rough season but then had a very good,
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  Speaker 1: very impactful addition to the you know, to the big
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  Speaker 1: league roster at the end of the season. I think
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  Speaker 1: Jet Williams is kind of a better version of that,
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  Speaker 1: but again, some of that position, versatility, on base skills
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  Speaker 1: and and you know, the the ability to kind of
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  Speaker 1: provide an impact on the base pass as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's that different. It's sort of
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  Speaker 5: the same bucket or genre of player. Maybe a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more impact and the ability to put the ball
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  Speaker 5: in the air more consistently for Williams.
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  Speaker 4: Akunya I think is just faster, a little bit more twitchy.
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  Speaker 5: Though you know, Jet in his own right of course
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  Speaker 5: is quick and you know twitchy as well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: hence the name. But you know, I think I think
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  Speaker 5: overall it's probably a fairly good comp It's a similar player,
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  Speaker 5: but I do think there's maybe a higher outcome potential
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  Speaker 5: for Williams, just based on the on base ability and
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  Speaker 5: some of that stuff, and I do think the impact
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  Speaker 5: is a little bit more actualized.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go global for a moment, JJ, Do
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  Speaker 3: you feel much better about the Mets farm system these days?
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  Speaker 3: This was the missing link for them as they try
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  Speaker 3: to mimic the Dodgers. On the East Coast. That's at
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  Speaker 3: least what their owner, the owner of the organization has
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  Speaker 3: in mind. Steve Cohen, He's like, we want to be
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers the East. They certainly have the money portioned down,
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  Speaker 3: but the farm system portion was a problem, and I
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  Speaker 3: felt like, you know, those Verlander Scherzer deals were starting
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  Speaker 3: to help load up on the prospect side, and they've
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  Speaker 3: remained disciplined by not trading away names like Jet Williams.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say the depth is getting there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're still going to want a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of top end impact talent. I would say that
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  Speaker 1: the Mets don't compare to some other teams at the
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  Speaker 1: top of our farm system rankings. Like again, you look
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  Speaker 1: at what the Red Sox are doing right now, that
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  Speaker 1: always jumps out what the Raids are doing. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I also want to acknowledge the Mets
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  Speaker 1: have kind of as you said, they've been disciplined, but
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  Speaker 1: they've not been sellers very often. This is the team
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  Speaker 1: then the last couple of years has been more of
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  Speaker 1: trying to to not give away the farm system, but
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  Speaker 1: they're also not really adding to it that much. Since
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  Speaker 1: the Drew Gilbert trades and the moves like that. So
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  Speaker 1: you look at this overall, I say, yes, the trend
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  Speaker 1: line is a positive one. And the other thing that
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  Speaker 1: kind of jumps out with that is is they're now
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  Speaker 1: in a different situation they were before because you look
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  Speaker 1: at them now, I'd say that the Mets now are
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  Speaker 1: in a situation where prospects are to fill holes as
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  Speaker 1: they need them, and you know, again, having depth is
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  Speaker 1: beneficial for that. We've seen that kind of the Mark
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  Speaker 1: Viento's Brett Batty thing where Okay, we thought Baty was
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  Speaker 1: gonna be the guy. Then Vento's kind of is the
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  Speaker 1: one who stepped up, and maybe Baty does in the future,
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  Speaker 1: but that kind of gave them that Plan B option,
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  Speaker 1: So they have done a better job of that. They're
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  Speaker 1: doing a little bit better job, i'd say on the
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  Speaker 1: pitching side of kind of having a number of options
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  Speaker 1: coming up.
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  Speaker 2: But the key other part of this is they are.
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  Speaker 1: Getting to that point where I do think if the
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  Speaker 1: Mets are really in it in twenty five, like I
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  Speaker 1: look at their farm system, Jeff and say, there are
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  Speaker 1: a number of players here who could end up being trades,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to kind of really bulk up the big
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  Speaker 1: league club by trading away prospects.
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  Speaker 5: Now, yeah, ultimately, I think when that Dodgor's line was made,
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  Speaker 5: that's sort of what their goal was. You know, they
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  Speaker 5: have the ability to acquire big contracts, players that you know,
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  Speaker 5: have expiring deals that they potentially could resigned for big money.
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  Speaker 5: And I think, you know, ultimately that's what the goal
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  Speaker 5: for the Mets is. To build up this farm system
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  Speaker 5: to have you know, a kitty of assets that they
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  Speaker 5: can more or less go to and and move when
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  Speaker 5: they need to at the deadline or any other point
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  Speaker 5: in time, to you know, keep improving that that major
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  Speaker 5: league roster or supplement players that maybe get hurt that's
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  Speaker 5: obviously going to happen throughout a season. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's what the model probably is, and it's probably it
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  Speaker 5: seems like it's it's building up to that point and
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  Speaker 5: sort of all systems go. And there's certainly not an
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  Speaker 5: organization that's scared to invest in the international market or
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  Speaker 5: in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: One more for you, JJ, and this is more of
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  Speaker 3: a global question as well. Do you think that the
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  Speaker 3: Mets would want to position Jet Williams to a certain spot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it's always been difficult for
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  Speaker 3: teams to find center fielders that can hit and stay
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  Speaker 3: on the field versus an infielder. You're bringing up the
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  Speaker 3: Acunya versus Jet Williams comp It sounds like Acuna would
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  Speaker 3: be better served in the infield. But curious if your take.
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  Speaker 1: I do think I think jets are the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think that center field probably is the best long
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  Speaker 1: term fit for Jet, But I do think that the versatility.
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  Speaker 1: I think teams nowadays love to kind of leave these
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  Speaker 1: questions kind of open ended, because crazy things can happen.
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  Speaker 2: I'll put it this way.
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  Speaker 1: If you told me that Jet Williams is going to
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  Speaker 1: become the Mets everyday second baseman of you know, for five, six,
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  Speaker 1: seven years, that wouldn't shock me. And if you told
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  Speaker 1: me it's gonna be the center fielder for you know,
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  Speaker 1: next you until he hits free agency, that wouldn't shock
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  Speaker 1: me either. But at the same time, South Relick becoming
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  Speaker 1: an infielder for the Brewers, that would shock me. And
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing things like that. I think that teams really
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  Speaker 1: do like keeping their options open nowadays, and Jet Williams
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  Speaker 1: is the player who gives you a lot of those
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  Speaker 1: where you say, okay, let's go to spring training, let's
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  Speaker 1: go to mid season, because he probably needs a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more on the minor. But when he's in the
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  Speaker 1: minors this year, they can look at it and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: if we have injuries, if we have a need, this
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  Speaker 1: is the guy who can plug in at multiple positions,
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  Speaker 1: So we want to keep that versatility going. Just from
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  Speaker 1: the standpoint of it provides multiple avenues for him to
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  Speaker 1: end up in the big leagues, rather than say, this
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  Speaker 1: guy is a center fielder and yeah, you can move
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  Speaker 1: him to a corner, but these are the only options.
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  Speaker 1: And in that case, maybe yet you have a need
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  Speaker 1: that comes up because of something unexpected and you say, ah,
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  Speaker 1: wish we hadn't closed that door.
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  Speaker 3: So Jet Williams number one on Baseball America's list for
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  Speaker 3: the New York Mets. You can learn about many more
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  Speaker 3: number ones with other organizations by just staying here on
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  Speaker 3: and learn about all of the top prospects in different organizations,
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  Speaker 3: and we will see you on the next one.
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  Speaker 5: Their hope, i think, is to build a lot of
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  Speaker 5: depth in the system. Hope that a couple of guys
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  Speaker 5: pop and that they have the pitching to sort of
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  Speaker 5: push them into a competitive window.
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  Speaker 3: Let's learn about the top prospect in the Miami Marlins organization.
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  Speaker 3: Provided by Baseball America. It's called a prospect profile. I'm
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  Speaker 3: Scott Brown along with Baseball Americas, JJ Cooper and Jeff Ponce. So, JJ,
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  Speaker 3: tell me about Thomas White, and do you think he's
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  Speaker 3: the next big thing in Miami on a mound.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think he's absolutely the next big thing. And
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  Speaker 1: he is kind of pretty big too, as you see
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  Speaker 1: on the photo there, like this is the guy who's
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  Speaker 1: pretty well built already. Coming into twenty twenty four, it
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, Thomas White Noble Meyer the two best
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  Speaker 1: pitching prospects in the Marlin system at this point. Here
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  Speaker 1: we are in twenty five, and I would say that
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that Thomas White looks like the best
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  Speaker 1: pitching prospect in the Marlin system. He was considered arguably
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  Speaker 1: the best lefty pitching prospect in the twenty three class.
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  Speaker 1: You can look at where he was picked and say, really,
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  Speaker 1: look how far he fell. It was just because of
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  Speaker 1: asking price. This is the guy who kind of showed
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  Speaker 1: what he could do in high school and then has
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  Speaker 1: only gotten better since then. Jeff, when you look at
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  Speaker 1: Thomas White the picture, what is it that makes him
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  Speaker 1: the clear cut number one for the Marlins.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think when you just look at the quality of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, with the performance was you know, throughout the season,
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  Speaker 5: you know, White outperform Meyer. But I think when you
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  Speaker 5: look at the fastball quality, that was one of the
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  Speaker 5: things about Noble Meyer that was sort of questionable, and
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  Speaker 5: White I actually was sort of pleasantly surprised the numbers
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  Speaker 5: overall in terms of you know, induced vertical break, HB
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  Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. Just how the fastball moves
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  Speaker 5: is really good. It's almost Cole Reagan's esque in terms
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  Speaker 5: of the amount of ride and run that he gets
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  Speaker 5: on it with power. And there was you know, secondaries
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  Speaker 5: which were kind of the question coming out of high
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  Speaker 5: school here in Massachusetts, was you know, how good is
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  Speaker 5: his breaking ball going to get? You know, can he
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  Speaker 5: show a quality change up that he can land for strikes?
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  Speaker 5: You know consistently? I think that he answered a lot
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  Speaker 5: of those questions. He added a slider this year as well,
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  Speaker 5: kind of changed the shape of his breaking ball a
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  Speaker 5: little bit.
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  Speaker 4: So it's an interesting pitch mix, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Now he kind of has like a three to four
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  Speaker 5: pitch mix where all those pitches kind of move in
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  Speaker 5: different directions and have quality, and you know, he's shown
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  Speaker 5: the ability to land them consistently in the zone. So
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  Speaker 5: I think when you look at all those ingredients, you
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  Speaker 5: look at how young he is, as JJ said at
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  Speaker 5: the top of the show, his build, and just how
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  Speaker 5: physical he already is, and there's probably even some good
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  Speaker 5: strength projection left.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's almost no question in terms of who
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  Speaker 5: should be the number one pitching prospect and prospect of
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  Speaker 5: that Marline system.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that you can't help but kind of think
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  Speaker 1: of is if someone's trying to say, like, Okay, I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen him pitch, what should I be thinking of here?
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  Speaker 1: Think Blake Snell, who was a top high school you know,
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  Speaker 1: pitching pitching prospect in the Raised system now many years ago.
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  Speaker 1: You know it was our mind, was our player of
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  Speaker 1: the year now many years ago, also at Baseball America.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at White, like the strengths and
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  Speaker 1: the weaknesses the ranks are is really impressive stuff from
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  Speaker 1: the left side. If there is a weakness right now,
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  Speaker 1: it's the walk rate. It's the control, but sometimes with
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  Speaker 1: his control kind of like Blake Snell's, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about getting strikeouts. It's a little bit about nibbling.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it's like he just has no
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  Speaker 1: clue of where the strike zone is. It's more of
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  Speaker 1: kind of the way he pitches right now, And so
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  Speaker 1: you could make the argument, oh, what he's going to
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  Speaker 1: have to really do his remaining to do list is
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  Speaker 1: he's just got to get a lot better at throwing
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  Speaker 1: strikes consistently. Or then you could also look at it
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  Speaker 1: and say it's going to be hard for Yeah, he'll
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  Speaker 1: keep working on that, but this is working for him
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  Speaker 1: pretty well right now. And with that being the case,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of yeah, it's something you would love to
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  Speaker 1: see him take a step forward with, but if it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't even improve dramatically, we have seen Blake Snell kind
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  Speaker 1: of show you can have success with this kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff with that kind of approach, and this was kind
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  Speaker 1: of something that was also true of Blake Snell as
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  Speaker 1: he was kind of coming up to the miners as well.
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  Speaker 1: We saw sometimes colledntrol got better, but we've also seen
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  Speaker 1: times where it kind of wavered a little bit as well.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas White. Again, he's he's really young, so this is
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  Speaker 1: also his to do list as he's really kind of
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  Speaker 1: hitting his twenties, you know, So he's he's probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: hit double A before he turns twenty one this year,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty remarkable and really just kind of just
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  Speaker 1: spells out what an intriguing and interesting pitching prospect.
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  Speaker 3: He is. The one thing I noticed sometimes with Smell
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  Speaker 3: lately JJ is how he doesn't want to give in.
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  Speaker 3: And if you choose that and you're super stubborn, you
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  Speaker 3: are going to walk some guys. So I'm wondering, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if Thomas White does eventually take that route, how that
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  Speaker 3: plays out.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes there's the balance of control versus just
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  Speaker 3: getting a little bit more aggressive and trusting your stuff. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I was gonna say, if it plays off
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  Speaker 1: in multiple sy youngs, I think you say, thumbs up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just do that a thousand times out of a thousand, agreed?
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  Speaker 3: Agreed?
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  Speaker 6: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Was there anyone else in consider iteration for a spot
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  Speaker 3: like this. Thomas White is much, I would say, a
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  Speaker 3: lesser known name than most of these number ones that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to come across.
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  Speaker 1: I will say he's one of the names who you
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: will be hearing a lot more of this year. I
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if he's one of the best pitching
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: prospects in baseball at some point this year. We kind
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: of have that group of guys who are really knocking
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: on the door of the big leagues. That guys like
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Jackson Job who really is He's already reached the big leagues.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Thomas White's part of that next wave. The stuff here's
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: really really impressive. I would say that Jeff mentioned noble Meyer.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Noble Meyer was the other guy's in consideration. It just
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: really White kind of took that step forward this year.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: But if you look at this Marlin system, which I
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: just got to be honest, is not in as great
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: a shape as you would want for a team who's
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: in an utter rebuild. With all of that, they have
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of intriguing prospects, but there really wasn't anyone
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: else who would say, okay, is that player kind of
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: making argument against White for number one. There are a
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: lot of prospects in this Marlin system, I would say
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: now that have plausible paths to big league careers, but
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to see if how many of them
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: are regulars. And that's something that is really not a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: question with Thomas White. Thomas White is one hundred percent
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a plug him into your rotation as long as he
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: stays healthy down the road, plug him in the rotation.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Right now, when we talk about he's so young, there's
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: a part of me that thinks, you know, you could
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: be talking about by the end of the year or
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: by twenty twenty six. At the same time, young pitching
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: prospects often will hit a hiccup or two. You don't
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: want to go overboard with that because a guy like
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Andrew Painter. If we were talking about Andrew Painter a
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, we just said, man, he's just
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: knocking on the door. Then Tommy John arrives and all
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's a couple of years later and
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: we're still waiting for him to kick that door in.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: So there's always the durability risk. There's always you could
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: hit that double, a triple, a setback where you have
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: to make a few adjustments. But you look at this
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: all together and you say, Thomas White should eventually be
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: near at or near the front of the Marlins rotation.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: And Jeff, the Marlins are a window team, and what
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I mean is they're never going to have, you know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: a ten fifteen year run where they're just good every
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: year under this ownership group or the previous ones that
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: we've seen. Right, We've seen the skit for a long time.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: So I just think it's important that they actually time
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: out how everyone is peaking, if that makes sense, make
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: sure that you've got guys all kind of coming up
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: at the same time and able to be good around
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the same time, because I felt like they just missed
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: timed to the last run.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, it's important for teams like
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: this where you know, there's not a fan base that
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: I think is clamoring for victories and you know, consistent
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: winning teams. You know, that's obviously not something that's been
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: part of the Marlins history, even when they did have
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: winning teams for that matter, and the ownership, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: regardless of whether it was the old ownership group or
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: the new ownership group.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Just hasn't sort of invested that way.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: You know, they brought in Peter Bendix, you know from
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: the Rays, I think they're trying to sort of copy
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: that model.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Seems like, there's a lot of multi.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Position guys that are coming in, a lot of guys
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: that are a good hit tool, sort of on base
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: ability guys, and then build around pitching. So their hope,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: i think is to build a lot of depth in
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: the system, hope that a couple of guys pop and
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: that they have the pitching to sort of push them
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: into a competitive window, and then supplement as needed with
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe cheap, older free agents or something like that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: That kind of seems like the direction of where they'd
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: like to head. Whether they get there or not is
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: another question. They certainly need to add more talent. They
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: did do a good job of adding some talentsed players,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: though flawed at last year's trade deadline. There's maybe more
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: impact and power in the system than there's been in
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: a while. And you know, they've done a good job
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: over the years, regardless of what the major league team
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: has been like in terms of developing pitching and getting
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: homegrown or at least players that they acquired who debut
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: with them up to the major leagues and getting them
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: a little bit better.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: So Thomas White is the name to know for Marlins
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: fans and fans in general. He's number one on Baseball
• 19:02
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• 19:05
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• 19:09
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• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's another year for him to find here,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: then you really are talking about a guy who maybe
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: we're underselling by saying he could be an extremely well
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: rounded player.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: We're running through top prospects in each organization thanks to
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Baseball America, and this is a name many of you
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: will know, especially college baseball fans. Let's hit the Washington
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Nationals player profile. The prospect to know here, Number one
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: on the list. It is Dylan Cruz, first round pick
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, Scott Brown, with JJ Cooper
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: and Jeff Ponce. So there he is. JJ. We know
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: him well, many of us have spoken to him. A
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: very nice gentleman who will be asked to be a
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: part of the next great Washington Nationals team along with
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: James Wood.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: And Dylan Cruz. Yeah, this is this is a name
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that if you don't know Dylan Cruz's name, yet I'm
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: glad that you've joined the Baseball America Channel here because
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: we can help you get up to speed. Because Dylan
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Cruz has been famous for quite a while. He was
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: considered one of the better high school prospects, maybe the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: best high school prospect to get to college in his
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: draft class coming out of high school, goes to LSU,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: hits the ground running, is really one of the most decorated,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: one of the most productive, one of the most storied
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: players in LSU history, which, if you know anything about
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: college baseball, LSU college baseball history is a long, deep
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and impressive one. And Dylan Cruz was a key on
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a national championship team. And so then here you go,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: he becomes one of the first duo to go one
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: two from the same school because Paul Schemes went one
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to one. Dylan Cruse went one two and reached the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: big leagues with the Nationals. Now, the question, Jeff, though,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is is I would say he's the clear James would graduated.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: He's the clear number one, I would say on this
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Nationals list. But at the same time, do you see
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: him as the next you know, uh, James Wood and him.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Are going to battle to be the star of the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Nationals of.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The late twenty twenties and twenty thirties or is he
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: more of the complimentary piece and James Wood looks like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the star.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's more of like a complimentary piece.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: And you know, I don't necessarily mean that in you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: like a derogatory way. I mean you could probably say
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: that Scotty Pippen was was a complimentary piece for Michael Jordan, right.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I think he's going to be a really good all
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: around player that isn't going to necessarily have the high
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: highs that what is going to have what is going
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: to have? In my opinion, I think he has the
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: ability to do stuff that Aaron Judge does, that show
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Hey o Tani does and just kind of be like
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: that spectacle of sort of like athleticism and power and
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: baseball ability where you know.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Cruz is super tooled up.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: This is a guy that I think, truly when you
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: say a five tool prospect, he falls into that category.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: You know, the hit tool was was pretty good.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: We look at the professional numbers, the strikeout rate was,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: you know, around twenty percent. Pretty much in every single level,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: there's a ton of impact here, the.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Home run totals haven't shown up as much.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I think some of that is kind of adjusting his
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: bat path, getting the ball in the air a little
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: bit more. He's not the first prospect that you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: comes over from college baseball dominating with metal bats that
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: sort of needs to learn how to catch a little
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: bit cleaner barrels to his pull side and get some
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: of his hardest contact airborne. But he is a guy
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: that finds the barrel. He does hit the ball really hard.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: The EV numbers are all really good in terms of
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: you know, the big sample size stuff and the miners
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: and college baseball, et cetera.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Doesn't swing and miss a lot.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: He got a little bit more aggressive this year in
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: terms of his plate approach. But I do think like
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: all around, he does everything really well.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: He's this good center fielder.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: If they move him to right field, he can probably be,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: you know, one of the better defendive defensive right fielders
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: in baseball. He does a lot of things really well.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: I think he's going to be a really good player.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I almost say it's almost like a super charged Adam Eaton,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: which I know doesn't sound super sexy, but if I remember,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Eaton's had one or two, like five war seasons, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: I think that's more in line with what Dylan Cruz
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: could be, where maybe it's not thirty home runs and
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: thirty stolen bases, but it's like nineteen or twenty with
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: a great batting average, a ton of runs, defensive run
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: saved in the outfield.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: He just does everything really well.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: To say, I was going to kind of go with
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that Eaton comp as well. Now eating bad lefty, Cruise
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: beats righty, but that as a production comp, I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it fits pretty well from and Nationals fans should be well,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you know, well versed on kind of who Adam eating
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: what Adam Eaton can be. The other thing I would
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: say that does stand out here, though, is is he's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: When you look at your twenty twenty five National League
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year candidates, you have to put Dylan
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Cruse pretty high on that list because one, we know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, he's already kind of gotten his chance to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: get acclimated to the big leagues, which is useful. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: two I would stay on top of that, he has
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: clear opportunity here. He's going to be part of that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: National's outfield. Like you look at it and say it's Wood,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it's Jacob Young, and it's Cruise probably for twenty twenty
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: five and beyond. So he's going to get the at bats,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: which is a key part of this is that a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: lot of times you'll have guys who may have a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: really good rookie year, but it took them a couple
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: of months to get kind of fully, you know, up
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to the big leagues. It took them a while to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: get that everyday job where they're going to face you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get the five hundred they're not going to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: get to that five hundred at bat level. That's not
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be a problem for Dylan Cruz. You put all
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that together, and again we're not saying that he's not
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a great player. When we say complimentary, he's one of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the top prospects in all of baseball. We're just saying
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it's going to be more of a well rounded package.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: A guy who can hit, who can get on base,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: going to hit for power, but it's probably not going
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to be home run titles, more productive power, steals bases,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: does everything you want to do, and kind of the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: kind of guy that you hopefully turn around in twenty
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: thirty five and go, wow, that's really one of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: more productive players to ever come through the Nationals, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to come out of the Nationals farm system, because he
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: just does so many things well. And the other thing
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: we'll say is last year, that twenty twenty four season
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was solid, but it's also possible that we haven't seen.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: What we saw in college from Dylan Cruz was beyond solid.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It was a guy who's hitting four twenty five in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the SEC. No one does that in the big leagues obviously,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, so we might see a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: higher batting average, we might see a little bit more
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: obp than we saw in twenty twenty four. And if
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that happens, then really watch out because if it was,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: if twenty twenty four was kind of a down year
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: for Dylan Cruise, he was still solid overall. If that,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you know, if there's another gear for him to find here,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: then you really are talking about a guy who maybe
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: we're under selling by saying he could be an extremely
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: well rounded player.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, I want to finish with this. What we keep
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: them both on here, So over under for fantasy baseball players,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: thirty four and a half stolen bases, he stole well
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: last year in one hundred and thirty two played appearances
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: and ended up getting tracked at ninety third percentile sprint speed.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I knew he was fast until you see it in
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the big leagues, and he already is using it. That's
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: what stands out. Sometimes we see guys get called up
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and they're on the you know, stat cast rankings pretty high,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: but they're not running yet. He was running right from
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the jump. Nationals are pretty aggressive, so JJ then Jeff.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Over, I'm gonna say it's like a push to slightly under.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I think that's right around the neighborhood, say more like
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: twenty eight to twenty nine.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I like to be a little.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Conservative with those. I don't want to go over. It's
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: the prices right rule, right, it's too old school for that, right.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: But you know, I think the thing with Cruz, it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: funny is we had talked about this when he was
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: drafted as a prospect, like there's more speed here than
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: you realize based on the stolen based numbers at LSU,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: because his job at LSU was to drive all the
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: guys on base in that was he was the big lot,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: you know, bat in the lineup where I think he's
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: been able to kind of, you know, fit a role
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: that maybe is more complimentary to his all around skills
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: and abilities.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: So that's a good point you made.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Kind of just makes the note that you know, we
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: talk about that when we said the Adam Eaton comp Well,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I will say this is a way that he might
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: be better. Because Eaton never had more than a never
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: had twenty steals in a season. We think the Dylan
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Cruz will easily go beyond twenty steals in a season.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying. I mean he could be a thirty
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: plus stolen base guy. I mean if he really figures
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: out how to get on base at a consistent rate
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and keeps developing. I mean he just got his first
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: taste of the big leagues. Who knows, maybe it's forty
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: plus you would think with Adam and oh he's still
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: at least twenty. But that's a good call there. So anyway,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: we're excited about this name. Many of you know him already.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Dylan Cruz is the top prospect in the Washington Nationals
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: organization until that prospect status goes away at some point
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: this year. So thanks for checking out this one. We
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: do a prospect profile in the top prospect in each
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: organization from Baseball America every single day during spring training,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: so make sure you catch the top prospect videos for
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: all of the teams.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know he's a rookie.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he was limited in the innings this year,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but hey, he's just better than the guys, the other
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: guys who are Canadas to start Game three or maybe
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it's a Game four.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: We're excited to talk about this pitching prospect in the
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Phillies organization. He happens to be number one overall in
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: the Phillies organization according to Baseball America Prospect Profile. Time
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: on Andrew Painter Scott Brown in Baseball America's JJ Cooper
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: and Jeff Ponce. Jeff, you got to see Andrew Painter
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: in person, one of the last people to do so
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: before he went under the knife.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: And then I was there at his return as well. Yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: I saw him his third to last start at twenty
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: twenty two. Of course, he threw a little bit in
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: spring training going into twenty three before you know, got
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: injured in spring training. That then sort of took their
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: time in terms of making decision on whether or not
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: to have Tommy John surgery so effectively he missed two
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: years and then came back in the Arizona Fall League.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: I just so happened to be on the other side
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: of the country in Arizona for the first week of
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: the AFL this year, and this was actually the first
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: of two games on my last day there the first
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: week of the season. He came back on a Saturday
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: at Scottsdale. You could see right there face Bryce Eldridge
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: as well as some other top names and prospects. The
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: stuff was back to what it had been previously. I'd
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: say the command and control was a little bit less pinpoint,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: but upper ninety stuff getting sort of ride with some
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: cut on that four seam fastball, mixing a couple of
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: different breaking ball shapes and showing a change up as well.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: As I said, I saw his first start back in
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: terms of a competitive setting. So the command not being crisp,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: I don't think is any real surprise. But overall it
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: was still turbo stuff, you know, really rare in terms
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: of movement and power. You just don't see guys like that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: There's probably some some nits that you could pick potentially
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: about you know, extensions and things like that, but overall,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Painter looks back and he looks poised to I think,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: sort of get back to where he was going into
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: the beginning of twenty twenty three.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like Painter is a guy who is easy
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to have kind of if you pay attention but not
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: close attention to prospects. It's easy to have forgotten about
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: him for a little while because, like Jeff laid out,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: he got hurt in twenty twenty three into spring training,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: tried to rehabit, try, you know. I know a lot
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of times fans will be like, why didn't he just
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: get it cut on? Then he'd lost time because of that,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: But getting Tommy John surgery is a serious surgery. So
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: if you kind of have that it could re it,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: could heal, you kind of often want to see if
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you can avoid the knife. In the case of Painter, unfortunately,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and it did really mean that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: he missed much of two seasons, right, so he missed
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: basically twenty three and twenty four until the airs in
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a fall league. So there's kind of been this like
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: little g app in his resume here that's easily explained.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: But the thing that does jump out the kidding that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Jeff saw when he was there in the Arizona Fall League.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Is the stuff's back like the key thing you want
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to see with a guy coming off of Tommy John surgery. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: there was a little bit of rust. Yeah, he's gonna
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: have to shake that off. But before the injuries, Painter
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was as dominant a pitcher in the minor league's as
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: there was. He was our first ever Baseball America Minor
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: League Pitcher of the Year, A new award that we
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: started the first year was Andrew Painters and in twenty two.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: So you see it now and you say, okay, so
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the stuff's back, well great, as soon as the stuff's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: back shakes off a little bit of that rust, you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: are talking already once again about one of the best
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: pitching prospects in all of baseball and a guy Jeff like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the question I've kind of have for you is, is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I know he's coming off of Tommy John surgery. I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: know he's coming off of basically two lost seasons, But
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: is it crazy to think that we shouldn't be expecting
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it to be too long in twenty five before we
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: see him in the big leagues. The Phillies are already
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: kind of laying out the paint plan and how they're
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: gonna They know they have to limit his innings, but
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: at the same time, they know that this guy should
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: be able to make an impact.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: For them this year, don't they.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: You know, A lot of this is just sort of
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: positioning him to pitch, you know, once a week, be
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: able to skip weeks, and just sort of manage the
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: workload so that way he's available for them late in
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the season and into the playoffs. That's really what it
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: looks like to me in terms of what his recovery
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: time would be kind of would have had a normal
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: off season, just based on the timing of the surgery
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: and when he returned, and potentially we've seen guys make
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: pretty big jumps coming off of surgery over the last
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: couple of years. I would imagine though, that they have
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: a number they want to sort of play it safe
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: while also being able to have the option of, like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: what's take it easy in the beginning, take it easy
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and spring trending have him throwing less than April and
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: May in triple A, and you know, you really use
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: maybe late May and June when the weather's also better
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: in the Northeast, where predominant amount of that division in
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Triple a's games are or if they decide to go
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: to Redding for whatever reason and fitchitman one of the
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: worst Fiching parks and minor league baseball, they could do
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: that as well, but you're gonna want to avoid that
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: cold weather. I think they're probably going to work around
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: that a little bit, but with the ultimate goal of
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: you know, having maybe fifty innings that he's available for
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: in August, September, October. Where the Phillies I think, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: based on what their team looks like and how much
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: they invest in the trade deadline and free agency, it
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: wouldn't shock me if that's what the plan is and
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: why the plan is so specific to July already, when
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: he's missed two years, has had recovery, has pitched in
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: competitive games in twenty twenty four, it kind of doesn't
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: make sense.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I would imagine that's probably what the plan is.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: You hit on one thing, bet Jeff, that I think
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is important here. The key thing for Painters is he's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: now had a pretty normal offseason, which is important. He's
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: had a normal off season of work on things, rest,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: recover all that this is not something where a lot
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of times we say the guy who's you know, at
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: month sixteen in you know, spring training, like, oh, he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: ready to go. But that's not the same thing that's
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you spend an all entire offseason rehabbing your injury to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: get ready for the season. In Andrew Painter's case, he's
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: already done all that, He's pitched in the AFL, he
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: knows that his arm feels okay again. Then he had
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a regular offseason to come into. It's not gonna be
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a regular season as we laid out with the Painter plan.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: But I think the key thing about this is Andrew Paynter.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: The hope is the Phillies expect to be in the playoffs.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: The Phillies expecting me in the playoffs every year when
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: they do, hopefully for them, hopefully for Andrew Painter. He's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: making a case as a rookie for a spot in
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: their playoff rotation because that's how.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Good he is.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: This is a guy who at that point should hopefully
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: be able to say, hey, he's not gonna be Game one,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Game two.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: They have Zach Wheeler.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: They you know, they have other guys who probably gonna
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: be at the front of the rotation, but it's not
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just depth. This is the guy who may kind of
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: leap over some other guys because he has the dominating
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: stuff where you say, Okay, yeah, I know he's a rookie. Yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I know he was limited in the innings this year,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: but hey, he's just better than the guys, the other
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: guys who are Canadas to start game three or maybe
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it's a game four of a series, and he's gonna
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: give us the best chance to win.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, injuries happen, of course, but even if they're fully
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: loaded for the playoffs, that's gonna be too much talent
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: if it's all clicking for him, for them to deny
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: him a spot in a rotation. So jj I think
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: it's brilliant. July Ish is the plan for them to
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: start getting implemented into the bigs. Good in some cases
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: not good. We used this on Vowel Territory at one point.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who I referred to, but there
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: was a oh, like Paul Skeins is a good example. Okay,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: if I'm the Pirates and I'm not making the playoffs
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: on a year to year basis, I'm not Paul Skins
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: in year one and hoping that we need him for
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. In Andrew Painter's case, I think the Phillies
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: have enough of a playoff book in recent history here
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: that they are okay to do this. And there's a
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: pretty good chance we're not going to get to the
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: end of the season and say the Phillies missed the
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: playoffs by one game and they should have called up
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Andrew Painter sooner because you can't play like there's a tomorrow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Is that a fair strategy from Philadelphia?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And I think the other key part that you really
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: want to avoid here, Let's say that they have in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: their number like, okay, they're comfortable for seventy five innings
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: with Painter this year or one hundred whatever. It is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the thing you definitely don't want. We don't want a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Strasbourg in the national situation from years ago, where it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: was like, well, sorry guys, but we've run out of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: innings for Andrew now, and so we're gonna shut him
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: down and we're looking forward to seeing him pitch again
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. You want to make sure it's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a long postseason. Now October, you could see another fifteen
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to twenty They want to make sure that Andrew Painter
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: is ready to give them those fifteen to twenty innings
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: if they need it, maybe twenty five because that could happen,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and he is good enough that if it all breaks right,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: they really need those innings because he's that good, yep.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Smart, and this team hasn't gotten over the hump with
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: this current group, they have not won a World Series.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: So we'll see if Andrew Painter is the secret weapon
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: in October for the Phillies. We do these every single
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: day here during spring training. Your prospect profiles are highlighting
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: the number one prospect in each farm system, so we'll
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: keep going through them and also make sure you get
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: caught up on any that you missed on the Baseball
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: America YouTube channel or wherever you get your podcasts. If
• 37:37
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• 37:39
  Speaker 3: on the next one.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Catchers who can hit really are worth their weight in gold.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: There's very few of those in the major leagues, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: it can make a big difference, whether it's for the
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Braves or even as a potential trade outset.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: We're talking top prospects team by team.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Let's hit the Atlanta Braves or the prospect profile top
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: prospect in their system. According to Baseball America, is Drake
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Baldwin got brought along with Baseball Americas JJ Cooper and
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Jeff Ponce. All Right, we got a catcher here who
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: could make an impact in twenty twenty five.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: So this one's big, JJ. What do you think about
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: Drake Baldwin.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin is the next in what is now a
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: pretty impressive line of Brave's catching prospects. You know, don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: forget that Shay Langeliers was a Brave's catching prospect, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: don't forget that William Contreras was also Bray's catching prospect.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe in hindsight they want to have that one back,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: but here we have now Sean Murphy obviously is I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: would say, you know, Brave's catcher for several years to come.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But at the same time they need someone to become
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that number two catcher. And we know that number two
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: catchers in the big leagues are guys who play regularly. Nowadays,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it's no catcher's going out there and playing one hundred
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and forty plus games. Drake Baldwin. We'll see if it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: opening day, but Drake Baldwin should be ready to kind
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of step into that role at some point in twenty
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: twenty five. Really a breakout season in twenty twenty four,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I would say, very impressive, kind of well rounded player.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: If you want to knock Drake Baldwin, maybe you could
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: say that he doesn't have any exceptionally loud tools. It's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: not like plus plus power, it's not a plus plus
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: hit tool. It's not plus plus defense or anything like that.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: But Jeff, the other thing that does stand out with
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin is is if you said what are his weaknesses,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I think you would also say there's nothing here that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: really a glaring weakness. He's just pretty good at kind
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of doing all the aspects of the job, the very
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: difficult job of being a big league catcher.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, you look at what he
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: does well. You know, the defensive part of the game
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: I think is still coming along for him. There's been
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: some questions there, but he's not being asked to be
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: an everyday catcher, and I think you know where his
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: probably biggest benefit to this lineup is as some depth
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: and as a bat who puts together really good quality
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: at bats. When you take a look at you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: the bats of all ability, it's high contact or excuse me,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: it's high contact rates, it's in zone misrates. He rarely
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: ever chases. The ev data is plus his ninet eight
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: percent of this year is about one hundred and six
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: miles per hour. So when you combine all those traits,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: there aren't many hitters in general in the big leagues
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: or excuse me, in the minor leagues last year, who
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: combine all those traits at the level that Baldwin does.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: So just as a hitter, he's a really sort of
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: standout talent, and I think that's the biggest thing with
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Baldwin is that you know, if he can play a
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: little bit of first base, or maybe they get him
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: some run in left field when they need it or
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: something like that, or even DH he has the ability
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: to maybe see three hundred and fifty at bats and
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: provide them sort of like that tenth man, that tenth
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: hitter sort of in the lineup when they need it,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: and can play the matchups a little bit too. He's
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: a really good offensive prospect, and if the catching comes around,
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: they might be looking to move Sean Murphy soon.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I won't put that far you yet, but I will
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: say that I.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Do think that what one of the that Baldwin also
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: stands out as is.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: He's kind of the outlier here.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: The Braves have understandably kind of made their entire approach,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to draft pitchers, we're going to develop pitchers,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and we're going to be really good at developing pitching prospects.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And they have been, but they also haven't drafted a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: whole lot of hitters. They haven't developed a whole lot
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: of hitters. And if you said, well, why is that, well,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I would say partly it's because they have a long
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: term deal locked up at ketcher Murphy, first base with Fulson,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: second base of Albi's third base with Riley Akunyan, the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: outfield Michael Harris, and the outfield. There just aren't a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: whole lot of openings here because of all the guys
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: they have signed to long term extensions. So they've obviously
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: made the emphasis on filling out that pitching staff. But
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: when you look at Baldwin, to their credit, to the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Brave's credit, and to Baldwin's credit, this is not a
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: first round pick. This is a very astute Day two
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: pick from a couple of years ago that has really
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: kind of blossomed and really does fill a need for
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the Braves. The other thing that does jump out with this.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: In an ideal world, you would say that the Braves
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: really they don't need to develop a whole lot of
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: position players. But if they had a big leag ready
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: catcher and a big ly retty shortstop right now, and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: even in kind of complimentary roles, not guys who need
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to be stars, that's kind of what they really need
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to produce from the farm system. I don't know if
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: they have that shortstop. I think Nacho Alvarez is a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: little bit more of a utility guy, but Baldwin is
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the perfect fit there as that number two catcher and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: should be able to do that for several years to come.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and every team, of course, always needs pitching. And
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I know the Braves have been good for a while,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: so they're often picking in the back of a draft.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: But jj, I just think about Spencer Schwellenbach. I mean,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: it's not like everyone was talking about him, and look
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: what he's developed into for Atlanta. If you're a team
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: like them and you want to keep this train rolling,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: you need some successful stories like that too, right, you do?
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And I would say that one of the things the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Braves have been really good about and doing that, their
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: pitching development has been excellent.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Swell and Box is a perfect example of that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: This was Twellinboch really was more of a shortstop at
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Nebraska than a pitcher. It was kind of someone that
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you could like the arm, but it was in very short,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you know, short kind of appearances. And the other thing.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Schwellen Box is another one of the guys who's gone
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: through this. The Braves are much more willing to take
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: on injury risk in their pitchers than a lot of teams.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Spencer Strider probably the biggest example of this. Strider was
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: coming off of Tommy John surgery when the race drafted
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: him and made him basically the best pick of that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: shortened five round twenty twenty draft. Schwellen Box another guy
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: who pretty much you say, well when his pro career starts,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: like well, after he had Tommy John surgery. They've had
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a number of this these situations.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: JR.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Ritchie's another one, Owen Murphy's now recovering Tommy John surgery.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: The Braves have had a lot of pitching prospects who
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you could say, well, they got hurt, but at the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: same time that's kind of allowed them to really pick
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: guys who may not have lasted to them if it
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: not for the fact that they had some injury risk.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Some teams kind of shy away from that. The Braves
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: seem to kind of embrace it, and you look at
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the payoff they're getting for it. You could say, well,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: they keep having guys get hurt. Well, yes, Stryder got
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: hurt last year. Would you if you had that to
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: do over again, you'd one hundred percent do it the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: same way. He wasn't a first round pick. He was
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: near the back of a five round draft and they
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: got a basically a cy Young finalist out of it. Okay, yeah,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: he got hurt. They'll do that again, and they will
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: take that risk again. And we've seen this time and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: time again. They keep taking these kind of risks because
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: they do see a payoff for them.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take the year off from the guy who's
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: striking everyone out. So that's okay. I mean you got
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a plan that way, So, Jeff, as far as what
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: we're working with right now with the farm system covered
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: for Atlanta, is there other signs of hope or was
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: this easy to put Baldman at the top of the list.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's some interesting candidates in terms of
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: their pitchers they have, you know, they've been drafting a
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: ton of them. JJ kind of touched on some of that.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, AJ Smith Shaver was probably the
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: next closest candidate, somebody who has major league experience in
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: each of the last two seasons, has pretty big stuff
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: in terms of you know, what his fastball is, you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: sitting in the mid nineties, has a decent amount of ride.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Made some changes this year in terms of changing from
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: the slider, kind of cutter slider to more of a
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: traditional mid seventies curveball, and really improved his change up.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: So he did take a step forward this year in
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: some development ways, I think, particularly in his future as
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: a starting pitcher. But when we kind of put those
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: two guys together, I think, you know, Baldwin is one
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: where catchers who can hit really are worth their weight
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: in gold. There's very few of those in the major leagues,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: and it can make a big difference whether it's for
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: the Braves or even as a potential trade asset. I
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: don't know if the A's have anybody that the Braves.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Want right now.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: That seemed to be a very happy marriage. The A's
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: and the Braves life to do business together.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Hey, maybe we hit a point eventually.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: You can hope that, you know, Atlanta is actually giving
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: some major league as sets to the a since they've been.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: Bad for a while. Now, maybe they kind of get
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: it back.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: We'll see.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Can I just interject to say, but if the Brewers
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: try to slide into their dms, just say no, Just
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: say no, we don't want to. You know, a story, Ruiz,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you know, throw in for Contreras, throw in here.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just help you out and you'll just give
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: us William Contreras what Joe Piamps and I think there
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: was someone else notable in there too. So look up
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: that trade if you want a little more info, and
• 46:33
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• 46:35
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• 46:38
  Speaker 3: learn about other top prospects per organization.