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JFK ASSASSINATION Ep. 384 - For The Children · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: It's dedicated to the homies that was down since day one.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Drop D.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Quickheads, jfk Assassination News and Notes podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Friday Night. You know what it is, Triple.
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  Speaker 4: Long Come here podcast.
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  Speaker 3: You're going back to Dallas night.
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  Speaker 4: From Billie Plaza to the they hide.
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  Speaker 3: Triple B, cracking open what they.
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  Speaker 4: Keep inside every angle, every alast, every crab we find,
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  Speaker 4: turn the sad of good to.
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  Speaker 3: Pass to a shark to line. It's a special one.
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  Speaker 4: Circle up, lean close, were connecting all the docks.
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  Speaker 1: They forgot the past.
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  Speaker 4: Guess co hosts riding in what's the sparks when they
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  Speaker 4: laying jug Campbell from the Dallas action.
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  Speaker 3: That's the plan.
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  Speaker 4: in the tape. If they backed up.
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  Speaker 4: every angle is safe play, Lean Jack, let it shine
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  Speaker 4: that light.
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  Speaker 4: Name Triple being Jugsy in the same dom Man when
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  Speaker 4: the Dallas Action rides with the Gunman Flame pol Paste
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  Speaker 4: on trial.
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  Speaker 3: In the Holiday Game. So welcome to the session.
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  Speaker 4: It's the real time check every decko from sixty three
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  Speaker 4: running through your desk. The Lone gun Man post where
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  Speaker 4: the story connects.
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  Speaker 3: Triple Jimmy John's rat take was next Friday Night.
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  Speaker 1: This is dedicated to the homies that was down since
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  Speaker 1: day one. Welcome to trop Dean.
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  Speaker 3: What's up? Everybody?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Lone Gunman Podcast, And I like you
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  Speaker 1: all to welcome in a very special guest making a
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  Speaker 1: very rare appearance live and in the flesh from Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: the One the Only mister Douglas Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: So, buddy, what up? What up? What uh? What's going on? Dude?
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  Speaker 3: That was the coolest thing I've heard in a long,
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  Speaker 3: long time, brother, a long time. That was bad ass.
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  Speaker 3: That was absolutely badass. Well you can thank AI for
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  Speaker 3: that now, I thank Rob Clark for that. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy, dude, that.
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  Speaker 3: Was That's exactly what that was. That was insane. You
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  Speaker 3: got to send me that.
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  Speaker 1: I said, make me a Wu Tang style hip hop
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  Speaker 1: podcast intro. Make sure you mentioned x Y Z, ABC
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  Speaker 1: B you know, and that's what it spit out. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, hell yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Even the last guy, I was like, ray Kwan, that's
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  Speaker 3: ray Kwon. That sounds like ray Kwan. That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: And the opening guy was like, you know about a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit through his verse. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: myth is that myth? Oh? This is amazing, This is
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  Speaker 3: absolutely amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty sick, pretty sick, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Big news in the Wu Tang camp. They were nominated
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  Speaker 3: for entrance into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and founding member of Power just passed away.
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  Speaker 3: Yes he did, yep. Yeah, the same week. Yeah, crazy crazy,
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  Speaker 3: but uh, long time coming with the Wu There excuse me, listeners,
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  Speaker 3: sorry about that. Here we are the lone gunm pot.
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  Speaker 3: Look at him, guys, look at him. Look at his
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  Speaker 3: big handsome mug. There last in the long line of
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  Speaker 3: riders in the loaks. See him dipping through the city,
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  Speaker 3: dip it sliding on spokes. Look at that beautiful hat. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: so bad ass. Now let's see if I can do
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  Speaker 3: that what you did? Okay, all right, here we go,
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  Speaker 3: here we go. Oh wait, I bumped my shit man, yes,
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  Speaker 3: the quick hits pick the quick hits pick. And we
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  Speaker 3: don't mean it like with a tissue. No we don't.
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  Speaker 3: That's right now, we don't. So here we are, man,
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  Speaker 3: the loan, the the mash up, the TLG TV mash up. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I can't I can't see that far. So you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to read me the what the nice people say
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  Speaker 3: in the chat there? Yeah, in the chat you have
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  Speaker 3: a you know, sometimes I lurk, guys. Sometimes I do lurk.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get home, like like usually I get home on
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  Speaker 3: a Friday night and and and Rob, Rob and Joe
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  Speaker 3: were already underway, so I listened a lot of times.
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  Speaker 3: On Sunday morning, I listened to the podcast version. But
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  Speaker 3: I do lurk sometimes in the uh the thing there
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  Speaker 3: and you got a feisty chat. Man, These people are
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  Speaker 3: having a fantastic time. You know what it's like. It's
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  Speaker 3: a very exclusive club for sure. Man, This is ah
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  Speaker 3: The chat is a social gathering of fans. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's a cool thing over there, absolutely, But I
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  Speaker 3: can't read any of that. It's way too small on
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  Speaker 3: that screenway over there. I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: Let me thank you for doing this because.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime bro any any anytime now that me do what
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  Speaker 3: it means the world to me. Oh man, anything for you,
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  Speaker 3: anything for you.
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  Speaker 1: A fire ass show for the people. And what we
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  Speaker 1: do here when we start the show is a welcome
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  Speaker 1: in the people. And uh all right, go to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: We got South to West up in the house gets
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  Speaker 1: the gold medal. Roger Maynor, who normally does the all
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  Speaker 1: the lone gum and music, is the silver award winner.
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  Speaker 3: That is the left handed guitar player. It is, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I know I have communicated with Roger. What's up? Roger? Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 3: I'm digging my blue Kramer. By the way, I got
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: a Pacer dude, the lefty version. Get one, Get one,
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  Speaker 3: buy it tomorrow. You were gonna love this guitar.
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  Speaker 1: We got tiny Dancer in here with the bronze medal.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Taylor in the house, Trey Shreepport tray up in
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  Speaker 1: the house, he says, I have questions. See this, Doug,
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  Speaker 1: I can put the comment right on the screen.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a there's tray tray. Look, yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: know shreep Port tray.
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  Speaker 1: You met in Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: I do man, let me trip. He's a cool dude.
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  Speaker 3: Man Tray so we were. It was during your show
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: Live from Lancer a couple of years ago, and they
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  Speaker 3: had nothing but pepsi products at the hotel. And I
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: was bitching on your show about not being able to
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  Speaker 3: get a coke zero, and you know, Hoby got in
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  Speaker 3: his car and went down the road and got me
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  Speaker 3: like a six pack of twenty outs coke zeros. Cool dude,
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely cool dude. Yeah, good, good, Good to see you there, Trey.
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  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 1: We got James Smith up in the house, the man
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  Speaker 1: with the.
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  Speaker 3: Very normal name.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, let's see Peter Williams, Pete Williams, the ghost of
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  Speaker 1: Dean Andrews. Uh, d Dub, Dereck Ward's in the house.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, d Dub? What is up? What's going on,
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  Speaker 3: mister Derek Ward? Derreck Ward? Oh yeah, okay, I haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen his name in a while. Yeah, what up, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Then we got the quintessential Queenslick carpet salesman from down Under,
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Thrill. If you need any carpet hit up Quest Carpets.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Anthony has been an emailer to quick Hits several
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  Speaker 3: times and we always give him a plug like like, look,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we try to plug his rugs. Yes, we
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  Speaker 3: give we get plugs. Stand in these rugs, plug the rugs.
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  Speaker 1: Next up, we got toops. He's also from down under, Doug.
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  Speaker 3: What up eight mccleoud's daughters at that that Australian show?
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  Speaker 3: Me and my wife got hooked on that show. Rob.
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  Speaker 3: You would love it. You would love it. You can
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  Speaker 3: stream it. It's about like five hot Australian chicks who
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  Speaker 3: run a cattle ranch. Is there any nudity? Uh No,
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  Speaker 3: none that I remember?
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  Speaker 1: Hm, I might pass. Then the lovely Sally is in
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  Speaker 1: the house. She thought it was going to be Bart
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  Speaker 1: on this show tonight. Sorry, Sally, it's not bought.
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  Speaker 3: I sent Rob a couple of soundbites of Bart, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll use them. And no, not
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  Speaker 3: Malcolm Blunt too. That's a hard guy to get. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta go through Allan Dale to get
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  Speaker 3: that guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Mike the library man up in the house.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, Mike?
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  Speaker 1: Damn Tony Holman, big tone up in the house. What's up, Tony?
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  Speaker 1: Thank God it's Friday. You damn right, son Man.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm kind of thinking I want you to
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  Speaker 3: put together like a Wu Tang intro for the Dallas Action.
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  Speaker 3: Now I think, uh we can do it like uh
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  Speaker 3: that that ships sticking in my head man for sure,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean I played Dass Dillinger Ship and you
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  Speaker 3: know WU Tank Ship and other things, and it's not
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  Speaker 3: always family friendly. You know, you never know if you
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  Speaker 3: and you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get a copy right strake with you know, the
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  Speaker 1: AI ship.
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  Speaker 3: So that's true because it's Ai, that's right. It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: know it don't know, it don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know Morgan McKinley, is it Bull Frasier?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: Where you did he do it? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're guessing who was going to be a guesting
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  Speaker 1: on the show tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Oh oh hey, I posted that link on the Dallas
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  Speaker 3: Action facebook page, right yeah, and great guy. You're probably
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  Speaker 3: familiar with his name, Scott Edwards. I met him in
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  Speaker 3: Dallas the last time I was at Atlanta, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: I put I just commented, I think I know who
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  Speaker 3: the mystery guest is going to be, and he commented
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  Speaker 3: at the and the thing he said, Luna, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: wish I answered even worse.
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  Speaker 1: James orange Jack, welcome, Doug. This will be a good one.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, thank you very much. I've been on
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  Speaker 3: the show, but not in this campacit. I was on
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  Speaker 3: live once, but I was eating this that again, was
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: from Lancer. I had this. I measured too, man with
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  Speaker 3: a shoe. It was almost an entire Adidas tall the
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  Speaker 3: sandwich of brisket when I was on your show from Lancer.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it was all audio, because I had barbecue
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  Speaker 3: sauce all over my face. It was great, though, mmmm
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: mmmm mmmm we have who this.
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  Speaker 1: Click the fucking button here? Assassin Nation Archives?
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  Speaker 3: Andre? What's up dre and Research Center? That's Alan Dale,
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  Speaker 3: is it? Yeah? At Assassination Archives and Research Center? Andre?
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  Speaker 3: Oh shit.
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  Speaker 1: I can hear Alan laughing all the way from.
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  Speaker 3: An already too. But I happened to know he's probably
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  Speaker 3: wearing a quick Hits hat right now while he's while
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  Speaker 3: he's typing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Paula, Paula Jane is up in the house.
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  Speaker 3: She says, love to Doug. But that is my nacho buddy,
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  Speaker 3: my nacho lady. Yeah. We we split an awesome platter
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  Speaker 3: of nachos together.
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  Speaker 1: You licked the lugas in the house, Hi, guys, I
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  Speaker 1: licked a what you lick at the luga. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I'm pronouncing that right. That's just how I
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  Speaker 1: say it. You lick at the luga right, easy for
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  Speaker 1: you to say, right, Yeah, paula Nichi up in the house.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, Paul, Welcome in, Welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna start calling Alan Andre on the phone.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Now, Hey, it's assassination archives Andre. He changes contact info
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  Speaker 1: on your phone, so it pops up, Andre.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, that's okay, Alan, he is. He's pronounced like three
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  Speaker 3: people passed away, all quick hits over the years that
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  Speaker 3: were in fact alive each and every time.
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  Speaker 1: So Mike the library man just hit us with a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful super chat nine ninety nine. Wowser. Thank you, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see if I can do this.
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  Speaker 3: All.
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  Speaker 1: I ken, but you can't see it. Hold on, I'm
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  Speaker 1: such an idiot.
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: Hold please, don't look at me. I'm just a guessed.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to do none of that stuff. Hi,
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  Speaker 3: that do this?
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  Speaker 1: Where the hell is it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: It's it's popping up there, it is. Thank you, see
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  Speaker 1: it pops up? Thank you, Thank you, Mike. God damn,
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  Speaker 1: I'll get to hanging.
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  Speaker 3: This one day.
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  Speaker 1: Sendar is up in the house. Doug Zendar Zendar. Yes, look,
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  Speaker 1: Alan's laughing, He's ah, I can hear him now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Alan, that that was, in fact, the finest
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  Speaker 3: Alan Dale impersonation I've ever heard in my life. Like that.
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  Speaker 1: That was pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: And here's my other one, when when he's skeptical of
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  Speaker 3: one of your ideas, he does this to me a lot. Hmmm. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that that means you you are not on the right track, Doug.
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  Speaker 3: You need to back up and think about what you're
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: doing or what you're saying. Yeah, that means you do
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  Speaker 3: not have a handle on things. That's what that means.
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  Speaker 3: He's usually right though, he's usually right. We love Alan well,
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  Speaker 3: you know what along with this gentleman to my left
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  Speaker 3: or to my right, depending on your current perspective, one
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  Speaker 3: of my dearest friends in the world, Alan Dale Hunter,
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  Speaker 3: and I am so glad he's here. Makes me feel
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  Speaker 3: a little calmer about being live on It's on television.
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  Speaker 1: Sense that you might be here, Doug, I don't know, uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he knows he will gp ideal. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not show sure who everyone else expected as a guest,
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  Speaker 1: but this was a pleasant surprise.
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  Speaker 3: You will, Thank you, sir, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Derek talking to Derek earlier today. Derek Schwindermann. Hello, Rob,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: good to see you. Good to see you as well.
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  Speaker 1: Even though I can't see you. I'm glad you're here. Damn.
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  Speaker 1: We got a full house up in here, Douglas. But
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: enough who enough of the shenanigans and horses assery. You know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: we are here for a reason, right.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, to hang out. That's the well. We do this
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: every month. This is just pretty much what we do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the censored version of Quick Hits.
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  Speaker 3: That show can get a little crazy. Yeah. Rob has
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: no filter on Quick Hits. He doesn't worry about the
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  Speaker 3: YouTube algorithm.
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten much better though since having to do this live.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not a lot more, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten better with the brain the mouth filter. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see. But we're gonna be talking tonight, folks about
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  Speaker 1: some possible plots against JFK, and some possible fore knowledge
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: of some plots, some possible threats issued, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other stuff. But let me
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  Speaker 1: just set the table here for what Doug's gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He's been working on a research project with Bill Simpitch
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  Speaker 1: with some swinging dicks, uh, Bill Sippich, Paul Blow, David Boyling,
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  Speaker 1: and he's gonna get into a little bit about what
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  Speaker 1: they've been looking into. But before we get there, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to remind everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Of some of these.
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  Speaker 1: Various plots, if you will, threats against the president.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows about the Chicago plot. Well, Thomas Arthur Valet,
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  Speaker 1: a thirty year old former marine, was arrested with an
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  Speaker 1: M one grand rifle and other weapons. There was also
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  Speaker 1: four suspect cubans. Bleed think it only got got two
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  Speaker 1: of them. Two of them got away, I think from
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  Speaker 1: remember them correctly, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They were. They were released, you know, pretty fast, and
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  Speaker 3: I think correct me if I'm wrong, somebody in the
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: in the chat. But I don't think that we have
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  Speaker 3: a nailed down record of exactly who those Cubans were.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: There's Look, I got problems with the Chicago plot, or
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  Speaker 1: at least Abraham Bolden's version of it. Explain Well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just not one hundred percent sure, and it's nothing personal
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  Speaker 1: against Abraham Bolden. It just seems awfully odd to me
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  Speaker 1: that there's no substantiation for his story, like no other
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  Speaker 1: Secret Service agent came out and backed him up. We
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: don't have any other documentation about what happened there in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago to support Bolden's theory or story.
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  Speaker 3: The teletype that came into Chicago from the informant named Lee,
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  Speaker 3: we don't actually have that, No, really, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: thinking it's it's It's like something we were talking about
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  Speaker 3: on the last quick hits, right, that the the the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: guest book, the Eastern Airlines Lounge guest book that what's
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  Speaker 3: his name, Clay Shaw allegedly signed, right, yeah, and that
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  Speaker 3: some lady that worked there allegedly verified that he was
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: in there and signed the guest book. And but has
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: anyone ever actually seen that thing? Right? So, I guess
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  Speaker 3: I'm asking the same question about the teletype or the
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  Speaker 3: the lead that came in from the informant Lee. You know,
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  Speaker 3: do we do we know that that? In fact, actually
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  Speaker 3: do we do have it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the only person I know that substantiates it
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  Speaker 1: is Judah Bayer, and that that's not a good one
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  Speaker 1: to have on your side, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: It's like Fletcher Prouty saying he saw it right, same thing.
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  Speaker 1: So we have the Chicago plot, right, we have the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Miami plot, if you will, the militier plot.
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  Speaker 3: Now did the militier thing, Okay, I don't do so.
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  Speaker 3: You said the Miami plot, do you is it? Is
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: it your estimation that he was talking about the Miami
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  Speaker 3: plot specifically? Could he be could he have been talking
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: about Dallas in your estimation?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it was more of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a Miami threat than a than a plot, and he
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: was because he was very careful about what he said.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: He never implicated himself. He never implicate, you know. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: don't think he gave up names of where he heard
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this from. But I think the threat was to go
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: down in Miami, if I remember correctly.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: The mil tier threat. Yes, I don't remember it being
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: that specific, just high powered you know, high powered rifle
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: from a building. They picked somebody up right after. But
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I always figured he could
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: be it could have been talking about Dallas. But this
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: was at a time when there was a time and
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: this was something I had in my notes to ask you,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: like as a possible topic having to do with general walker.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Like you know, I know where you and I were
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: ten years ago, where we're at now kind of thing.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But as far as mil Tier goes, like I always
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: figured there was what was it the National thed what
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the Independent Party or States Rights Party or what was
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: it one of these? It was a hard right thing
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: that had a convention what was it in Indianapolis?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Just the coalition of white folks, Southern white.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Folks, something like that. I can't remember what it was called,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: but it was like some third party, you know, hard
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: right party, and they had their little convention in Indianapolis.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: And I always that Miltier, Banister and Walker were all
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: there right at this thing, like just about a week
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: week and a half before mill Tier was recorded by
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Billy Somerset right in Miami. And I remember you and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I talked about that years ago, Like, man, that's a
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: great place for mil Tier to have learned that information,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you know. But at that time, I think I was
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: more all in on Walker having a role in the
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: assassination than maybe I am now I'm not, as you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: your your your mind changes over the years, right, yeah, yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: you're thinking change.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think Walker had the financial means to pull
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: this thing off, but damn if his mindset wasn't in
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the right place, you know what I mean. Like, I'm
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: sure he hated the Kennedys, and I'm sure he knew
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you know, people with big pockets, you know he was,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and he was meeting them in New Orleans. And I'm
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: sure he knew hl Hunt.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And we know he was meeting the gunboat
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: cowboys you know, through the entire and.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: He was a major general. I mean, the guy can
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: plot shit, you know what I mean?
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Like sure, and we know he was having he was
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: in contact with anti castro operators that were running out
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: of South Florida in New Orleans and and things like
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: in that time period between April of sixty three, at
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: least probably before then, right and leading up to the assassination.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was Philip veat out Santiago's cover story
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: for crying out loud when he told the Iron When
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: then the FBI came around or the Irons rather said, hey,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: were you in Dallas when you weren't supposed to be?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: You know, well, yeah I was. I was talking to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Walker the week before the assassination, you know, about some money.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So there's that, right, yeah, And the Tampa threat right
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: on November eighteen sixty three, maybe that's.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: The one I'm thinking of. When you said Miami threat,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I think I'm thinking about Tampa. That was at the
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: big uh big gathering. Or am I getting them confused?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: The threat was prior to his visit to Tampa. On
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: November eighteenth, the Secret Service received intelligence regarding a quote
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: unidentified riflemen shooting from a window in a tall building
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: with a high powered rifle fitted with the scope. Security
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: response was due to the threat. The motorcade route was
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: heavily secured with the over six hundred law enforcement officers,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and security precautions taken for their visit were much stricter
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: than those later in Dallas. And the possible patsy for
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the Tampa plot was one Gilberto Polycarpo Lopez. Allegedly, he
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was alleged to be in the fair Play for Cuba
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: committee in the in the Tampa area and then fled
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the country before the actual assassination went down. So that's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: an interesting story for sure. And then let's see, we have.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: The one that got away, the one that got away.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Richard all Pavolic who on December eleventh, nineteen
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: sixty in Palm Beach, Florida, public positioned himself to carry
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: out the assassination by blowing up Kennedy and himself with dynamite,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: but delayed the attempt because Kennedy was with his wife
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and two young children. He was arrested before he was
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: able to stage another attempt. This dude was born in
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: eighteen eighty seven.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, right his dad was like a was
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: like in the Civil War.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So goddamn so right in nineteen sixty he would have
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: been seventy three. Like I guess he figured it's.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Time to go. Had a long, good life. He was
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: gung ho, wasn't he right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: He served in the United States Army during.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: A World War One.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a boy, and.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Then he worked as a postal worker in Boston before
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: retiring and real life locating to Belmont in the fifties.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: He had no family. He became known at local public
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: meetings for his angry political rants, which included complaints that
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the American flag was not being displayed correctly.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: God again, good, Yeah, I need a screenshot of that,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: just for amim.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: He also criticized the government and hated Catholics, focusing much
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of his anger on the Kennedy family and their wealth.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: So after Kennedy defeated Nixon, Public decided to kill him right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: He turned his property over to a local youth camp,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: loaded up his meager possessions in the nineteen fifty Buick,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and disappeared. Soon after that, he started sending bizarre postcards
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to the postmaster in Belmont, stating that the town would
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: soon hear from him in a big way. Nothing that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the postmark dates and locations matched Kennedy's movements, the postmaster
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: contacted the Secret Service. The Secret Service interviewed locals, had
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: learned of Public's previous outbursts and that he'd recently purchased
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a shitload of dynamite.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: That's actually in the document.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: No I'm ad living here.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I was about the favorite document ever.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I gotta get. I gotta give it a little flavor,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you know, spice it up a little bit. Sometimes these
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: documents can.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Be very dry. Documents don't come with Silk City on them.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: They do that. No, No, they don't. During his travels,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Public had viitted it, had vited it. He visited the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Kennedy compound in Hyenus Port, Massachusetts.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: At the Mighty Hienus You got there, boy, now see
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: rob time out He is trying to clean up his act.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Because if this were quick, it's a year ago, he
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: would have said, Miami's Port, That's what he would have said.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: See that filter's working to chet way to go, buddy,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: way to clean it up over there.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He also surveyed the Kennedy's residence in Georgetown, d C.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So on December eleventh, Kennedy was preparing to leave for
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Mass at Saint Edward's Church in Palm Beach, Public waited
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in his dynamite laden car, hoping to detonate his nineteen
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: fifty Buick to cause a fatal explosion. However, he changed
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: his mind after seeing Kennedy's wife, Jacqueline, and the couple's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: two small children. He later said, I did not want
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to harm her of the children. While waiting for another opportunity.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Over the next few days, Public visited the church to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: learn its interior, but the Secret Service had informed local
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach police to be on the lookout for his car,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So four days later, on December fifteenth, Palm Beach police
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: officer Lester Free spotted Public's vehicle crossing.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: The Royal.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Shito Point se Ona Bridge. After his arrest, Public said
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Kennedy money bought the White House into presidency. I had
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the crazy idea I wanted to stop Kennedy from being president.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And on January twenty seventh, nineteen and sixty one, Pablic
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: was committed to the Federal Medical Center in Springfield, Missouri.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Probably not a bad idea, yeah, then.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Was indicted for threatening his life seven weeks later. According
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to Ted Storrison, Kennedy was merely amused when he found
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: out about Pablic's threat.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Hey, dude was probably already locked up when he found out,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: so hence the amusement.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Well, he must have had a really good fucking lawyer, Doug,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because really. Charges against Pavlic were dropped on December second,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen teen sixty three, ten days after Kennedy's assassination. Judge
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Emmett Clay choked can't make the sub folks ruled that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Pablic was mentally ill, unable to distinguish between right and wrong,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and ordered that he remain in a psychiatric hospital. Even
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: though the charges have been dropped because Kennedy's dead and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: he's not the one that killed him. The federal government
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: also dropped the charges in August of sixty four, and
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Pablic was eventually released from the New Hampshire State Mental
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Hospital on December thirteenth, nineteen and sixty six. He later
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: died at the tender age.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Of eighty eight.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, on November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, at the VA
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Hospital in Manchester, New Hampshire.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Wow, bless his heart. What a tragic story. Yeah. I mean.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, like I hadn't heard about this probably, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I think I did this show about it at some point,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: maybe a couple of years ago, but I hadn't heard
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: about it before then. This Richard Pavlock dude. Yeah, but uh,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's crazy to think about what the all?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: What what almost happened in his you know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how history would have changed, how different it
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: would have been.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole butterfly effect thing, you know, like what
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: would happened if that happened? Who knows?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if Jackie and the kids hadn't been with him.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Well we be saying pablic was set up, and you
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: know it was a passy and.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: You know, we'd we'd have the Lone Bomber podcast is
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: what we'd have. Yes, I like it, absolutely, I love it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: But Doug let's get into what you're up to these days.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: What am I up to?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, of all kinds of bad shit, probably, but let's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: talk about the good.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Shit, the good stuff. Will I have been engaged in,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: like you said earlier, a research project with mister Bill Simpitch,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the author of State Secret and the Twelve who built
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: the Oswald legend, of course, and is legal representative of
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the Mary Farrell Foundation. David Boylan, who everybody knows as
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a as a lights out amazing documents researcher and someone
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: who knows the inner workings of the central intelligence agencies,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: hierarchy and networks and and and staff and command structure
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: like nobody I've ever met in my life. And he
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: he co authored what was the name? I'm so sorry, David,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: of the Oswald book with Larry Hancock. I'm drawing a
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: blank right now, the Oswald Puzzle, The Oswald Puzzle, Yes,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: with Larry Hancock and Paul Blow, who many will know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: He writes for Kennedy's and King. He's one of the
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: co authors of the Chokeholds book that came out a
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: few years ago, and we had sort of a mutual
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: area of interest a few years I Guess twenty twenty,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I did a presentation for Lancer, and it was about
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: this area was based on this sort of chronological order
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: cachet of Secret Service documents that I ran across across
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: in the declassified documents about what we're calling now the
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Pepe Letters, right, And what the Pepe Letters were were
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: letters that were sent from Cuba to the United States
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: beginning on November twenty first of nineteen sixty two. Right,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: two pro castro persons ostensibly allegedly in the US that
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: outlining a plot to murder Kennedy, right, Like, it's getting ready,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: and we'll get into some examples. But what struck me
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: about them when I found this cachet of Secret Service
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: documents was the similarities between that what happened in sixty
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: two in an episode that everybody's most people, a lot
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of people that have studied the assassination are familiar with,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: which is the Pedro Charles letters. Right. The similarities are amazing.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Those are very weird letters, yeah, very well. And what
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: we have in the Pepe Letters is almost sort of
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the same occurrence just a year earlier. Right. And the
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: analogy that I've been using is a football all analogy right,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: same playbook, different set of downs. Right, you're trying to
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: implicate Castro and pro Castro forces and applied to murder
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Kennedy and and the other similarities are crazy, But that
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: that's sort of what my presentation was about, was was
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the similarities between the Pedro Charles letters episode that it
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: was sort of immediately after the assassination and this earlier
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: episode that I knew nothing about these these these Pepe
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: letters is it what we're calling them? They were from
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: or signed somebody named Pepe. But after I did the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Lancer presentation, and I know you remember it. I think
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you even uploaded it on Pepe. Yeah, you even uploaded
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: that on your like a year later, on your YouTube channel. People, guys,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: you guys can probably go to the from the vault, right.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, from the vault, I think it's in there. It's
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: called Letters from Cuba. It's about an hour long, but
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I really didn't have a lot of time to get
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: too deep into it. I kind of stopped on, you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: here's all the similarities between the two, and sort of
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: ended it because literally the day before Kennedy has assassinated,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the Secret Service closing investigation nothing to see here right
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: November twenty first, nineteen sixty three is when they put
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a lid on it. They couldn't figure it out. But
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I got contacted by Bill Sippicch and he had actually
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: done some work on it, on these Pepe letters years before,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, seven ten years before, and I was
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: completely unaware of it, right, And he said to me then,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: he was like, well, I think you've got part one,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and I think I've got part three. I think we
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: need to do part two together. And we actually started
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: on it, but then real life gotten away. I even
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: took the time, me and Tiffany and the boys took
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: a trip up to the mountains in East Tennessee one time,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and I took on my crap with me right and
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: sat down and wrote like eight pages, eight brilliant pages
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: of this narrative. And then again rob real life got
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: in the way and we kind of put it down. Well.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Then last year Paul Blow he did a presentation for
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: he did wrote a piece for Kennedy's and King and
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: did a presentation I know for Dally Plaza UK about
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: these letters, the Pepe Letters. And then later last year
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Bill Simpach contact us and you know, he said, you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: we've all done work on it, but it hasn't been
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: fleshed out, right, We don't know. Like now, we're sort
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: of and we're not trying to solve anything. Well, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: guess we kind of are, but you know, we we
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: don't have any expectations that we're going to actually prove
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: who put these two propaganda campaigns out. But what we're
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: doing is we're putting our heads together and our research
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: together to get the story out, right, to get the
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: narrative out and the chronology, and to see if we
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: can identify where the two operations may have emanated, if
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: they indeed emanate from the same place, from the same
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: people sort of running the operation, if that makes any sense,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you know where I guess we're sort of, you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: on the hunt. Let's see if we can forgureet where
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: this may have come from, if we can develop a
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: good working hypothesis, you know what I mean.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And just just to refresh everybody, just briefly, just
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: briefly explain the context of the letters, if you will,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: because some people may not know what the hell we're
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: talking about here.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, we're talking about the Pedro Charles letters. And I
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: have notes here. I'm old and I can't member stuff.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: So listeners of the Dallas Action, Yes, I use copious notes.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not good off the fly, like like a rob,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: not used to this live thing. So when you see
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: the old man squinting at a notebook like this, you
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: know that's why I stay with audio only. Yeah. No.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: The Pedro Charles letters were actually put together, guys into
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Commission Exhibit number two ninety five. They were four letters
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: postmarked Havana, Cuba, and they were mailed from Cuba. The
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: first was signed by someone or signed with the name
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Pedro Charles, and it was to Lee Oswal right to
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: friendly let me see, I've got some more notes over here,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: apparently Rob. The first letter was postmarked November twenty eighth,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three. It was signed by a Pedro Charles,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: dated November tenth, and it discussed the upcoming assassination.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: So it was postmarked on the twenty eighth, but it
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: had a date that it was written on the tenth.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Right. Now here's the letter. I'm gonna read it to you, Lee,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald. Now, this is one thing about the Charles
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: letters that jumped out to me in similarity to the
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: earlier Pepe letters in that the way the letters are addressed, right,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. They're they're addressed jumbled, nonsensical addresses, no addresses,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: addresses that don't exist, right, in a way that makes
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: it very apparent to me, very apparent to Bill, David
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and Paul and especially in the in the in the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: case of the Pedro Charles letters, they are designed to
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: be intercepted. Right. Here's how this it was.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: This.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: It was addressed Lee Harvey Oswald, Mail Office, Dallas, Texas, USA.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Man, I'll tell you what, Harry Holmes must have got a.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Mister bergend.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Do you have a massive erection when.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: He saw that letter come through the Dallas Police post office?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Or at least a sweaty upper lip if nothing else, right,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Rob told off of itself. Would you like to borrow
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: my tissue? Sir, Yeah, yeah, thanks, Okay, here we go.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Would you like to hear this Pedro Charles letter to Lee?
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: And this this showed up right, the FBI got it
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: it just in a way it was. It was designed
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: to be intercepted, I think because it was designed to
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: tie Oswald to Castro and not be deliverable. Male, right,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: exactly right. It's going to raise red flags.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially that on the envelope.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially, yes, sir, Yes, sir, dear friendly, I am
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: writing to you once more since we saw each other
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: in Miami. You took the Spanish books from the hotel
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: and I have practically none left. I want you to
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: know that the man is thinking about visiting your city
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: in the near future, so that you must close the
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: deals so quickly as possible. As I told you previously
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: in Miami, I recommend utmost caution and do not do
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: anything crazy with the money I gave you. You're that right,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: did I do hope that you will not deceive me
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: and that our dreams will come true. After this matter,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I am going to put in a good recommendation for
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: you with the Chief, who undoubtedly will be greatly interested
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: in knowing you, since they need men like you. I
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: told him that you believe me. However, I did make
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: him believe me because I saw you with my own
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: eyes and he was quite astonished. He's talking about his
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: marksman skills, Rob hang On. I got a little cloudy
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: contact here, y'all give me a moment. Okay, well, Lee,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: keep practicing your Spanish for when you come to Havana,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: because this is the land of freedom, of beautiful women
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and of the rich Havana Tobacco. Do not forget to
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: do everything I told you upon receipt of this letter,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: and leave nothing behind that may provide a trail, et cetera.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: And whenever you receive my letters, destroy them as usual.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: After this matter, I will send you money and we
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: shall see each other here in Miami as usual. Sincerely,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Pedro Charles. Now I was telling you about let me
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: open an eye, turn this page over here.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I was telling you Beckham like to call somebody that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: chief as well? Who was that Thomas Beckham?
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Oh? Who was he calling chief? Banister? Fairy? We don't know.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, really, could have been Hoover, could have been banister.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: We think this was a castro. But the first Pedro
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Charles letter was addressed to Lee Harvey Oswald Mail Office, Stallas, Texas. Right,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: crazy crazy. The second one was actually from a late
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: of somebody named Mario Molina, and it was to RFK.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: This is how it was addressed, Right, mister Roberto Kennedy,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Secretary of Justice, Department of Justice, Washington, d C. Right,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: deadly and undeliverable, it's gonna it's gonna raizor red flags. Now,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: the second and third Pedro Charles letters, let me see
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: they were they were basically calling out this Pedro Charles
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: in Havana, you know, as a pro Castro agent in
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: the US who orchestrated the Kennedy assassination. So what you're
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: looking at is propaganda, you know, like the propaganda that
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: came out of the DRE immediately after the assassination, like
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: which was the same stories that people like John Martino
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: and Frank Sturgis, you know, spread for years and years
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: about Oswald in Miami, Right, And that's what we're looking at,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Now, the Pepe letters were sort
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: of the same kind of thing. A letter popped up
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: with a with a completely nonsense address on November twenty
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: first of nineteen sixty two, addressed to someone named Antonio Rodriguez.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: All right, I want to read you the Rodriguez. This
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: is again the Secret Service gets it on November twenty
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: first of sixty two. Let me read you this letter,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Comrade Rodriguez, in accordance with the planning and obstinate attitude
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: of Kennedy to invade Cuba carry out the attempt on
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: his life. In the terms conceived, I am not giving
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: you more data because it is not necessary, since all
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: that you have to know, and it is for its
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: own security and effectiveness of the planning. I comply thus
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: with superior orders. I have had no other ways of
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: communicating this by any other safer means. For that reason,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I have to do it by letter. In the United States,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: they are not in habit of opening the letters. For
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: that reason, I trust everything will go well. Wink wink, Rob.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: A good communist has to run these risks. We have
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: to count on our own energies. Because USSR has not
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: adopted a solid position with Cuba. These are high light
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: of the questions that a good communist card carrying should
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: not question. If he does it in that way, it
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: will be for the good of all communists in that
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: area of the world. Cuba is not all enough. Already
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: has been done by Cuba. I will send you the
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: next news if I am able by far safer method.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Give me a prompt answer. I am embracing you all
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: right now. Immediately. This raised red flags because it was
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: delivered to a guy, a Venezuelan cat named Antonio Rodriguez
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: gil and he worked for the Venezuelan delegation to the
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Office or the Organization of American States, right, and it
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: wigged him out. He read it and like, oh my god,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: this what's going on here? Attempt on Kennedy's life. So
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: he goes to his boss, who's a colonel named Trego,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: a Venezuelan guy. Well, they get it to the Secret
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Service to the authorities, and the authorities get a hold
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: of it, and the Secret Service they start their investigation,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: and they zero in on a guy as their main
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: suspect to have been the intended recipient of this, you know,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: pro castro operation in the US to murder Kennedy. It
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: that's a good point. That's a good point.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: That's kind of why we're looking around to us see
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: what we're see what we can come up with. We uh,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think anybody's standing up going that
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: we're gonna have an amazing book when this is over.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: You know, nothing like that. It's just four guys putting
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: their heads together and digging through documents and seeing what
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: we can come up with. Right, But where was I
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: the So they settle on a guy named Antonio Rodriguez
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Jones as their number one suspect to you have been
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: the intended recipient of this letter that outlines a pro
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: castro plot.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Right, that name reminds me of sergeyo Arkashia Smith. Antonio
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez Jones.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I think of Basketball Jones, remember the old cheaching Chong bit.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Almost like these guys come over here and then they
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: want to americanize their last names with some random shit.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: You know that sounds normal. But don't bother to change
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: their first two names?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: No, well they do. They do. Hang on to those hyphens, brother,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: they do. Yeah, But they they settled on him because
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: a couple of informants told him that he was in
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: with a bad crowd, right, and he was in with
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: a bad crowd. And this is where it gets. It
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: gets kind of weird even before the second letter in
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: these series are mailed, and it gets kind of it's
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: an sort of a okay, let me explain. They settled
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: on Jones because they had an informant tell him that
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Antonio Rodriguez Jones was in with a bad crowd and
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: that he was actually the lookout when a pro castro
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Cuban working for the Cuban UN delegation tried to defect.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: The guy got kidnapped, beat up, threatened with a pistol, interrogated,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: all this stuff right by a couple of henchmen. Right that,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: basically they're here in the country under diplomatic cover. They
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: worked for the Cuban delegation to the UN, Carlos Lichuga, Right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: One of these guys' names was Quinton. Yeah, that guy.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: One of these guys' names was Quentin Pino Machado, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: he was kind of known as the hatchetman for the
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Cuban UN delegation, for the Cuban consulate there in New York.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: He was like known as a strong arm guy. He
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: was known as a sabotage expert bombs and shit like
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that during the Batista regime, and he had a reputation
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: for violence and carrying weapons. Well, apparently, according to this informant,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: this Antonio Rodriguez Jones guy was the lookout when they
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: beat up this other cat. Right, So, the Secret Service says, okay,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: he's a he's his name is Antonio Rodriguez. He's hooked
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: in with some violent, violent pro Castro guys. Maybe it's him, right, So,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: now here's the here's the thing. His buddy, the one
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: that they based their suspicion on, Quentin Pino Machado. After
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: the assassination of Kennedy, the actual assassination, there was a
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: propagand there were a bunch of rumors in the anti
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Castro community that tied Machado to Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: an FBI guy actually got a hold of the Secret
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Services name was Wassel and told them that if Castro
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: did it, the architect of the conspiracy was Quentin Pino Machado,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: no doubt, no doubt about it. And the story going
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: through I mean, like wildfire through the Cuban exile community,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: the anti Castro exile community at the time, was that
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: he allegedly was the guy that was gonna get Oswald
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: out of Mexico or out of Texas to Mexico. What
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: are you? Is that from me? What's going on? No? No, no,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I'm throwing comments up while you're talking.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I thought you were making all those faces in me.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I thought I was doing good. You're like this. I'm like,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: fuck yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Linda gian zam Benini.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Oh hey, let me tell you I met that wonderful
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: lady right there, Linda at lancer A couple of years
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: ago and had a great conversation with her, took some
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: pictures with her. Uh yeah, fantastic meeting her. She's so cool.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Hello Linda, Hello Linda, hope to see you again.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: She said.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be great if DNA analysis could be done
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: on the closures and postage stamps that were licked on
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the Pepe letters. DNA and analysis wasn't available to the eighties.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Pepe must have left behind his family tree on those envelopes.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Dog, that is part of it. Miss Linda is trying
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: to you know, you gotta also got to find somebody
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: that may have used the alias Pepe. That's the part
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: of it, you know, and have to have it having
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: been in Cuba at the right time, that kind of thing.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: So it's uh and like I say, we're we're having fun,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: we're uh digging. We're getting information down in a narrative
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: form that a lot of people uh probably haven't read
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: or heard. But that was not the first letter, Rob
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: or not the last letter. Right. There was another one
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: that showed up on December second, and it was delivered
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: to PO Box sixteen twenty four in Miami, Florida. Right.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: It was addressed to Bernardo Morales, a part of Partado.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I guess that means apartment sixteen two four, Miami one, right, Yeah,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: so the postman post office people, they dutifully they stuck
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: it in p O Box sixteen twenty four in Miami, Florida. Right.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: But there was no Bernardo Morales Pro Castro Operative associated
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: in any way with this Miami PO box. Quite the opposite.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: In fact, PO Box sixteen twenty four was in nineteen
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: sixty two rented by a prominent anti Castro anti communist
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: radio network called Radio libertadd La Vaise Anti Communista Day America,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: a network headquartered in Venezuela and with heavy ties to
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: the CIA. Right intended to be intercepted. Certainly sounds like it,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. But yeah, uh, And it outlined, uh,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: basically some of the same stuff as the first one.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: And there was a third letter as well. But as
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I said, the Secret Service never really got any got
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: any great leads as to where these letters emanated from,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: although they tried, and they closed the case, literally closed
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: the case on November twenty first, nineteen sixty three. And
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: that was kind of where my research left off.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I thought, you said, they were postmarked November twenty eighth
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: or the first.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: No, that's the that's the Pedro Charles letters. I'm talking
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: about the Pepe letters. No, okay, yeah, the Pepe letters
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: started November twenty first of nineteen sixty two, is when
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: they landed, and the Secret Service officially yeah, okay, they
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: officially closed the case like nothing to see here, one
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: day before Kennedy was actually killed, and then immediately after
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: the assassination, the Pedro Charles letters pop up, also addressed
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: in the exact same manner intended to be intercepted, pointing
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: to Castro being involved in the Kennedy assassination in the
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: way that the Pepe letters the year before painted a
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: plot to murder Kennedy sponsored by Castro.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Yeah, Were these letters
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: typed or handwritten.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Both?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Did the handwritten when matched each other? Did the Pepe
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: handwriting match to this minute Charles handwriting?
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: They determined there was one that was handwritten. I believe
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: I've seen photo copies of it, but they were in
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: both instances. It was determined that they were typed by
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: the same typewriter, not the Pepe letters were typed with
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: the same typewriter as the Charles letters, but the Pipe
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: letters were all typed from the same typewriter. Charles letters,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: same typewriter.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, if yeah, handwriting analysis, or if it was all
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: type written stuff.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, type written. I believe I've been reading a lot
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: of documents later. Holy cow, Yeah they are typewritten because
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I've been transcribing right from them for this piece I'm
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: writing for the thing. As a matter of fact. Yeah,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I've actually got the Pedro Charles letter here. But yeah,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: they were determined to be typed from in each instance,
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: the same typewriter.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: So we're trying to determine if if this is the
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: they have the home the same what's the same little cues? Right,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: And we're trying to determine if we can determine, I
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: guess if the operation came from the same mind or
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: the same uh you know, same propaganda specialist. I guess yea,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: And no it wasn't Ed Lansdale.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Lo come on, come on, man, come on, what from
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Fletcher Prouty? Uh?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm writing a hell of a piece. I
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: wish you guys could read it well hopefully pretty cool? Yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: absolutely absolutely choke holds too gets published. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: that's right. There was a check. That's Paul's book Colts.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what was that thing you did? It's a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: double dick chokehold sorry, one on Pepe and one on Pedro. Baby.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: The filter didn't last long. It didn't last long at all.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: You can bet I'm gonna get a screenshot of that later.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh man, that's gonna be a mean favorite.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you think we'd say we take a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: small break, Doug?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: We could do that? How long? How long? How long
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: are the breaks on it? Wait a minute? Wait a minute.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: You you take breaks on on TLG.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: No, but I figured to be appropriate if we took
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: one here, since you're here, and we normally do on
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: quick hits.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: We do that on quick hits. But the thing is,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: though the ones on quick hits there ninety seconds long
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: after editing, right, sometimes mean you we'd be going a
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: half hour, right. I don't know how long this can be.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's a it.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Well that's not very long, but I think I can
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: loop it.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Oh what is it?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: It's just a screen that says we'll be right back.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, you can't like like just loop Jeff's Silk City
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: promo just like that. That would be kind of cool.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: He'd get like if he played it, like because it's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: like what a minute, forty seconds something like that.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have it on this computer.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Oh he get like the five bang for his money
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: if we did just loop this commercial.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Right yeah?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: But we are live, so we can't take too long
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: of a break.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff, whichever, whichever the one is, Uh, is it
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: shaking pour over the sauce with the with the with
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: the kiss label like the rock and rollover. Yeah, my
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: son was dousing some ribs in that two nights ago.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Good ship.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Oh man, dude, we got we got Silk City all
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: over the house. I bought everybody a gift pack, uh
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: last year for Christmas.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Psychic Bigfoot.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: There is some of that around the house too, good lord. Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: And what's the one? Uh it's like hot Raspberry honey
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: or something something, Yeah, something like that.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: You get some jam variations too, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: It's coming up on like April. Man, that's usually uh,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: when I make the Silk City order for the for
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the boys' birthdays.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, sweet, Well, as soon as he grows our
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: peppers and he's gonna make us a joke, joking a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: bunch of seeds and h he's gonna grow some peppers
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and make us a exclusive lone gum and variant. Sounds
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: delicious when we call it, David Fairies hot semen. Well,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that's not necessary kidding, And we'll be right back after
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: bird from this.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, look, look before you do that. If you come
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: back and I'm not here, Guys, I'm outside vaporing, I'm coming,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: don't worry.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all good. We'll be all right back.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: K think bakka, you know now that Shawn's got this
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: ship hooked up. Never mind, we're back. I keep forgetting.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: This isn't a quick hits.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: No, no, we are and live.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Baby. I can't go back and race things like normal. No, no, no,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: you've taken the element of control from me, a big
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: bad bob.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: See, once you figure the studio out there, you can
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: control all this if you figure it out.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, I wish I could show you what I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: got on my screen. I got you and the logic
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: pro doing things. Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, I got the dual screens up as well.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: I'm learning though, Hey, you know what I learned. Momo
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: can we just didn't have time to do it. He's
• 1:08:23
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know I should probably tell you where
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  Speaker 3: we're live now. I guess I have to tell you live.
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  Speaker 3: But you know how when we do quick hits a
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  Speaker 3: lot of times on Saturday mornings, there are things going
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  Speaker 3: on at the studio as well, and I have to
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  Speaker 3: tell you, hey, look, I might have to hit pause
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  Speaker 3: because there's that it does recording over here. They're doing
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  Speaker 3: this over here, and they call me about stuff, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the lake blew up in studio B.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they're filming a music video on the helipad
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  Speaker 3: on the roof, so I might guys if I have
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  Speaker 3: to duck out. I got my phone on silent. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, somebody trips and falls over something, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully nobody goes flying past your window there, see.
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  Speaker 3: Where it funk that corner of the building.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, nice, nice folks, Welcome back. This is the
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  Speaker 1: Lonegoming Podcast. This is part two, or the second half,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: if you will. And bug I came across an interesting
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: document as I sometimes do.
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  Speaker 3: Hate you know what, I just realized that. I hate that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: I don't want to interrupt, but you know, I can't
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: see right and I was reading, and I know, yeah,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: you were like, you know, look communicating with your chat.
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  Speaker 3: You were like, so, were there any comments or questions
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: about what I was talking about that I missed because
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: I was reading or just talking. I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: be rude to your to your chat.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so good?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got them all all right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you guys have any questions or you know, hey,
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  Speaker 3: tell us, Hey, you fellas are wasting your damn time.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to figure that out. Go think about
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: something else or whatever. You know.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, we're all good, but I don't want.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: To think we're wasting our time because I'm having a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: ball with the once a week research Zoom meetings with
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: these three dudes. It's awesome stuff, man, awesome stuff. Get
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: your reinvigorated about this subject, Rob.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I know when you, yeah, coming across and finding shit
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: that nobody's ever found before, and you're like, I mean, yeah,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: it gets you psyched up. Man. I know the feeling,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't get it often enough.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: But unsolicited endorsement, Okay, what document did you come across.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Now that I got that out of way, this is
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: a weird one, all right, since we're talking about ominous Cubans, right,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: you know how there's an ominous Hernandez and you know
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: involved in things. Carlos Hernandez comes to mind, Celso Hernandez. Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: the Hernandez that Robert McCown said accompanied lead to his
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: front door for rifles.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Carlos Hernandez. Though David Boiling got on his trail and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: followed him through some operations he was involved in and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: where he was and who he was with. And I'm
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: with David on this guy. He's he may have been
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: a player, he might have been.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I came across his document from the nineteen
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: seventies bro about Hernandez. Okay, which one is? Fuck if
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I know? It's weird.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: So this is a.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: The hell is this? I think it's an FBI document
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: pretty sure, or it might be a Garrison document. I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: don't know, but seventy six is way too late to
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: be a Garrison document.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: So could be a Church committee document.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: That's possible too. Now, this letter that I came across
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: is addressed to Sarah whoever that is, and it's from BG.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Whoever that is, Well, I can tell you BG is
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Bob G something so Bob G big bad Bob G.
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  Speaker 1: And it's regarding a missing airplane, as reported to me
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  Speaker 1: by Jim Cromwell, former double A to Congressman Michael from Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: And it says the following is a possible scenario I
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: have constructed for my notes, contact reports, memory, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: You can compare it to the information you and others
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: have and take it for what it's worth now, Jim
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Cromwell from a contact report. David twelve fifteen seventy five
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  Speaker 1: saw a CBS television assassination show. And here's mcewn McCown
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: or whatever how you pronounced his name.
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  Speaker 3: That Robert McCown.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Castro's personal gun runner right.
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  Speaker 3: Now. That's it's Oswald allegedly showed up with him. That's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: the guy David thinks is carlos Hernandez, this dude that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: ran with Felix Rodriguez and Rip Robertson and all those cats.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, this guy was a bad ass, bad ass commando. Yeah,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: that's the dude that David is convinced that was the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: guy going with Oswalt to see McCowan.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Is this the same Carlos Hernandez, Yes, New Orleans.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Yo, that David would have to tell us. It's too
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: bad he's not in the chat, but I know he's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: got New Orleans connections to people like Frank Bartez. And
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: who is the younger Rodriguez brother, the one that said
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: he had tapes of Oswald Arnesto. Yeah, well, his older
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: brother Emilio was as decorated a CIA agent as a
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: CIA agent could possibly be. I mean, this is one
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: of those dudes they put his fucking bust on the
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: wall at at Langley. Yeah, Arnesto's big brother, Emilio, and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: and and Emilio had heavy ties to Carlos as well.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: So Jim Cromwell sees a CBS's assassination show and here's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: McCown described Oswald and a Latin named Hernandez who came
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: to him to obtain four high powered rifles with telescopic sites.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: The description and mention of Hernandez reminds Cromwell of an
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: incident reported to Michelle or Michael's office in nineteen sixty three,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: thirteen years ago. Now, okay, the fact that he remembered
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: the incident, so readily seems to indicate that it was
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: taken seriously by Michael's office back then and received the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: double a's attention. Cromwell tells me of a report they
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: received three days before the jfk assassination, in which Bayerley
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Aviation out of Peoria, Illinois, reports a plane missing which
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: had been rented by a fellow named Hernandez and returned.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Cromwell contacted the FBI about the missing plane, but feels
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: the FBI lacked much interest in the case. In fact,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: he was startled by the nonchalant reply Michael's office received
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: from the Justice Department regarding the missing plane. As far
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: as Cromwell remembers, the FBI nor Byerley ever contacted Michael's
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: office or any further regarding the missing plane as to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: whether it had been found or was still missing.
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  Speaker 3: Now, remember.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Michael is a Illinois congressman, okay, and Jim Cromwell, the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: guy reporting this to the FBI is is AA. I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's administrative assistant maybe secretary to Congressman
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Michael of Illinois. The FBI didn't take what he had
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to say seriously, all right, now, it says Jim Garrison
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: says in one of his books, the god Banister of
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: New Orleans, friend of David Ferry, had previously in charge
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: of the Chicago FBI office. Since Bayery Aviation was located
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: in Peoria, the Chicago FBI office would have done the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: investigation in the case. It's entirely conceivable that the Chicago
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: FBI investigation was directly or indirectly influenced by this fact,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: especially if the plane was actually taken by Hernandez and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Banister and her Nandez are connected. Cromwell suggested to contact
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  Speaker 1: Sharon Yard in Michael's office about the case, since she
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: worked in the office in sixty three and might remember.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I contacted her on December eighteen, seventy six under the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: name of Jim Cromwell, and although she did recall the case,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: she couldn't offer any more than Cromwell. So they contacted
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: this Sharon woman who worked in the office in sixty three,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: and she remembers when it happened, but she didn't have
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: any more information. Eventually, I did request her to locate
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: the file on the case, but I never heard from
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: her again. I called back once to see what progress
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: had been made in locating the file, but she did
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: not seem to have done much. That was the last
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I heard from Congressman Michael's office, and then it goes
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: on another contact report of December sixteenth with Jim Byerley
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: and on the seventeenth Walter Staker were inconclusive and determining
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: whether the plane had been rented by someone named Hernandez
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: and never returned or was returned late in sixty three.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Now this is the owner of the aviation company right
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Byerley said he did not have records going back that far,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: and it's possible the plane could have been owned by
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: someone else who was renting space on Byerley's field at
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: the time, but that he could not recall the incident.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: But this certainly doesn't mean that it didn't occur, especially
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: in light of Cromwell's immediate recollections. Cromwell suggested that Ralph Vinovitch,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Michael's present AA, might remember something, as he was in
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: the office in sixty three. Also, I never spoke with
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Vinevitch about it. However, when I told Cromwell that Bayerley
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: cannot recall the incident, he was surprised and was very
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: sure that it did occur, as he described it to me.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: When these facts are coupled with the following background information,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: this contact seems worthwhile pursuing to its fullest. And then
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: it lists four things here. Number one, all of this
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: occurs in the Chicago area, where you have previous Banister contacts,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: and where numerous underworld figures related to the Mafia and
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Jack Ruby operate.
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  Speaker 3: Number two.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: The investigating agency in this case, the Chicago FBI office,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: was previously headed by a companion of David Ferry, thus
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: a possible CIA connection.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Number Three.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Garrison in his book repeatedly refers to a Chicago phone
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: number which Ruby and Ferry had both called just prior
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: to the assassination. Number four the mysterious fact that Cromwell
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: and Sharon Yard recalled the incident thirteen years after it occurred.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: But the principles involved Byerley in the FBI don't seem
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: to have done much after the initial contact with Michael's office.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Knowing the significance of airplanes missing and waiting in the investigation,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I thought I should bring this contact report to your
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: attention for further consideration. Sincerely, Bob G.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Hmm, Bob G. I would definitely look at Carlos Hernandez
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: David also has him at Redbird Airport trying to rent airplanes. Really, yes,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: prior to the assassination.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: So now this document cuts to an interview and I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: don't know who's asking questions and who's answering. It just
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: has a Q and a Okay, it's a very as thing.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: But dude, these are our favorites.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: So there it just jumps into something a random page,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: and it says what about this crash? Was this recorded? Answer? Yes,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the government certainly knew about it because the Naval air
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: base and Corpus Christi they cleaned it all up. David
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: said at the time there was some information about it.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: But Steve tells me and mister Lane tells me there
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: is no evidence of it. Question did the plane crash
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: close to Corpus Christie?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: What now? Hold up? Answer?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Off of it on an island, on a sandy island
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: off of Corpus Christi. Question was it recorded in the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Corpus Christie papers that day? Answer? Steve said he checked
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: the Corpus Christie papers and it's not in there. Question
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: I said, we had somebody try and check the Corpus
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Christie papers and couldn't find it. Did he say exactly
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: what day it was that the plane took place.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Same day.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Question November twenty second, sixty three. Answer yes, yes, Holy shit, dude.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Now did he say who the other man was in
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: the plane with Carlos? Answer a Caucasian? Question? What was Carlos?
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: Answer?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: He was Spanish, he was from he was a Cuban exile.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Question did he say he had ever known these two
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: men before?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Answer? Yes?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Question did he say where?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Answer? Here in New Orleans?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Question what did he say? Well, he felt that Kennedy
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: was selling out to the communists, that Kennedy was selling
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: out to the communists. Yeah. Question you say he indicated
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: that he knew this Carlos here in New Orleans? And
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: what connection how well or where? Answer? He didn't say.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: At that time, the whole thing didn't really mean too
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: much to me. You've got to remember, I was in
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: the homosexual underground, Doug, and I was busy trying Kevin Bacon.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: It's damn Kevin Bacon.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: And I was too busy, mister Garrison, trying to have
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: fun and hustle a buck.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Hey, look, look, look, I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: hate to interrupt, but I need you to send me
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: that all right, because I guarantee you not all the guys,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: not all those guys are watching. And I would very
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: much love to share that document in our We've got
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: a we've got a little research, little study group zoom
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: meeting tomorrow. I would very much like to share that
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: with David and Paul and Bill because this is amazing.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: You've got to remember I was in the Homosexual Underground
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and I was too busy trying to have fun and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: hustle a buck.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: To say homosexual or homosexual homox oh it does.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Homosexual wasn't spelled.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: They didn't have the little umlats over the O there.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Still, I wasn't really too interested because I could really
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: care less. And that's literally the only page I live.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: This interview is in this document, like it's just randomly
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: stuck in there.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: What in the hell bro that is? That is intriguing
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: and suggestive as hell. And I'm not talking about the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: homosexual part. I'm talking about the plane crash because when
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: you said plane crash, I'm thinking Alexander Rourke, right, But
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: then you said November twenty second, and I'm like, oh shit,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: you know now, Carlos Hernandez did live. He was alive
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: after the assassination.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I know, right, yeah, I mean just because the plane crash,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: don't mean that they died, you know what I mean?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Right now, So I'm thumbing down through the documents because
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: this is all There's thirty four pages in this file. Right, yeah,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: some of them are repeated. They're repeated over and over
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: and over, same fucking document.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: Right, So.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Come on down or see some another piece of this interview. Right,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: question and answer, no names. But they're talking about David Ferry,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and he says he was always extremely frightened when he
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: was sober, extremely frightened. They're talking about Faery. Question, did
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: he ever tell you how he got to Houston or
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: what he did after the plane didn't show up?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Answer? He told me he drove. Oh shit, Okay, now
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: I made the connection. You're talking about somebody. He's gone
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: to Texas during that thunderstorm, the ice skating trip. He's
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: gone to meet a plane that doesn't make it. Okay,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: this is cool as hell. Yeah, carry answer.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: He says, he told me he drove. Question and this
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: is what happened after the plane didn't show up. Answer.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I don't believe I told you that Steve I don't
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: recall now how he told me he got back all.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Right, Jaffy. Maybe he did a lot of interviewing for Garrison. Man.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: You know what that makes me want to do, is
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: you remember the the thing we did the episode on
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: on the that was at the Dallas action with hl Arledge.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: That that that diary of the Garrison investigation by one
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: of his investigators. Yeah though, Tom, Yeah, yeah, Tom, what's
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: his name? But you can kind of go back through
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: there and look for some Steve names. I mean, if
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: you're trying to narrow it down who that might be.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I think he's still alive too. Yeah, actually that.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Might be a file that might still be out there
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: somewhere in whole form, you know, yeah, it might be right.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I hate d that's what just like quick hits,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: I interrupt the hell out of him constantly with stupid questions.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Question did he go to Houston with anyone? Answer?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Three of question what was their purpose?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Answer?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: He claimed they went to And I find this very
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: hard to swallow that anyone would go to Houston in
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: November from New Orleans to ice skate, because I'm sure
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: you must have an ice skating rink here. I think
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: he made that up an ice skating rink in Houston.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: It's hot in Houston in November. Question who were the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: men who went with him?
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Answer?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Well, this one I mentioned to you Terry linfk.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: All right, that's not familiar.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Now this is weird because I've only ever heard that
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Ferry had two guys with him, Alvin Boboff and.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Wasn't Morris Brownly? Who is the other guy?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Al Boboff and Melvin Coffee?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe? Does that sound right? I know the Boboff name
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: you heard, Terry lynd Fork. Was Coffee also a roommate
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: of his at one time? Or or was that Boboff?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Huh huh?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: I think they all were at some point.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: Oh oh night er two. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: You talked about entanglements and whatnot. Oh yeah, oh boy, Yeah,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: we read that letter, didn't we? On the Dallas Action
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: years ago we did a Hey, all the Rob's listeners
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: go to the Dallas Action and find one called David
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Faery known creep. That's an episode with Rob and I did.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: We read from a fat David Fairy file that had
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: some dude. We were reading that stuff and I wanted
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: to use hand sanitizer just reading it. You know it
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: was bad.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Just a gay fan of black women as well, I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: remember correctly.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: And he was a fan of lots of things, mister fairy,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: lots of things, lots of things flying around. Yes, Uh,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: where was that?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Terry Lynn Fork? Terry Lynn Fork, Terry Lynn Fork. Now
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: there's just a bunch of jibber jabber bullshit going on here.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: And then we get to.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: What appears to be an a r r B document
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: stuffed in here, and it's the originator is uh no,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: it's just a review a review board h document from
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the HSCA, I guess from an interview with the Reverend
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Raymond for shears.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, he's been Uh he's been a repeat subject
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: on the Lone Guming podcast over the years, says he not. Heys,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, leader of the Lavender Panthers.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Uh. That'll be isolated for a sound bite for later
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: use on quick hits. Yeah that's precious, he said, Uh,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: he says.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Let me say this, David Ferry was a very kind person.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: He saved my life. I can't tell you what I
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: mean by that, but he actually physically saved my life.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: He was a very kind person. He was a very
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: generous person. And anything that he was involved with, he
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: did it out of the sense of not out of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: a sense of negativity. He did it out of a
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: sense of pure goodness. Doug. He just loved to love
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: and the immortal words of Fred Litwin.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: Was a good guy. Yeah, yeah, great guy, great guy,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: great guy. You know, didn't uh did we talk about
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: because he was Atlanta a couple of years ago last
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: time I was there. Uh, we talked about me just photocopying,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: just printing out that letter, that fairy thing we read
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: and go check this out. Bro.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Shit, Now you tell me again when you get done reading.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: If he was a good guy. I think Sally has
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: actually listened to that episode. Maybe Sally Frankie Mack, what's bullshit?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: Who's uh was that me? Was that full of bullshit?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Was that me? I'm sorry, Sally, look at says bullshit?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: Damn it. Oh, I don't know what I do.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: I think that he was a meaning he was a
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: good guy.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Bull Oh okay, yeah, no, no, no, he was not
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: uh like like the like The title of the episode says,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: known creep.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: South Towest says Doug had the best description of Fairy's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: mind quote, it was like he had five hundred tabs
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: opened on it on an internet browser.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: And some other mother and some other motherfucker's got the mouse.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeahright back to the document. I'm guessing Brashar's is
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: talking to Garrison here actually, because Garrison says, well, patriotism,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: maybe brashears it goes beyond that. And I can give
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you my word on that as a humanitarian, I can
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: give you my word on that that he was a
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: good person and anything that he got involved in he
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: did because it was right in his heart. All I
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: know is that he weighed the pros and the cons
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: and what he did he felt he was doing for
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: the good of the country. And he wasn't some radical person.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: He really wasn't. I found it to be a very
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: rational person. He could set and he would analyze things out,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and lay it out for you. But he
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: did tell me that he went to Galveston, Texas. Like
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: he just throws that out there. He says Houston was
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: involved in it, But he went to Galveston to fly
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: a plane. And that's all I know for absolutely sure.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: He was to fly a plane to Cape Town, South
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Africa then later on to Victoria. He was gonna take
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: flyplane from Galveston to Cape Town and then to Victoria. Yeah,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: via a route through the Americas. So this serious plane
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: they crashed. And Corpus Corpus Christie is down.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: South, yeah, like on the coast. Yeah, in the bay,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: and so.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Is Galveston, which is pretty is pretty close to Corpus Christal.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean there's literally a Corpus Christie Bay.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: You can't get much more, you know.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you start putting, you know, one plus
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: two plus three plus four, who knows what the hell
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: this is?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: Right? A lot of tiny little airports that will take
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: cash for fuel, you know, between American dollars between there
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: and there.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: So they're they're pressing him. They said, uh, he said
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to fly, but he never did. Garrison said,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you now, what did David Fairy tell you
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: was the reason he was going to go there and
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: fly this plane? And Brocher says, no, you're making it
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: sound like and I don't like what you're saying. Gearrison says, no,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: I want you to say it. Brashire says, please, you're
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: making it sound like he told me this in sixty three,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: and he told me this in sixty five. It's in
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: the past tense, right, I said, Garrison's dog in the dass,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: trying to get him to talk, and he said, okay,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five when you had this conversation with
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: David Ferry, was this two years after Kennedy was dead?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, all right?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: In sixty five, did Fairy tell you what this flying
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: of the plane was all about? What did he plan
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: to do or what was going to do or what
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: he did? Brahier said, he was supposed to have flown
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: the plane New Mexico. Blah blah blah. I don't know
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: all the stops I can't remember, but it was to
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: eventually end up. And then it goes end of tape
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: one sat A, dang it starts off. All right now,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: mister Forshears, I've just turned the tape over. Now, you
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: were telling us that David Ferry in sixty five had
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: related something to you about this plane trip that he
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: was going to take or fly. And you said, he
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: told you that he was going to fly them. Now,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: what did the them relate to or they relate to?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: And he says he was supposed to have flown three
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: people who were coming in from Dallas to this is
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: what he said, South Africa, which did not have an
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: extradition treaty with the US at the time.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: How we damned Huh makes a tiny bit of sense.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Brosher says, and then these three people were
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: people who were involved in the assassination of JFK. Garrison says,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: that's what David Ferry told you, and Brasher says, that's right.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Hey, yo, put up. Claude Williams's comment.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: I lived and corpus is like, thirty miles.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: Dude, what are you doing? You need to ride down
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: there tomorrow start looking for us.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: See you find that?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Did did a plane crashing around there somewhere as
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: some locals? Bro, Yeah, you've been enlisted. You're now part
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: of the Lone Going podcast Investigatory what Rob.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Street team?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: What he said? Hell, yeah, take and you Dean, let
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: her take like some cast rolled or some ship and
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: pass it around. Somebody will tell you something.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wear a short skirt and get their knees out.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: Layton Martins that was the other.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: Guy he was with. Oh yeah, yeah, I was gonna
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: say that, said.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: I and Layton Martin's that little punk and the other punk.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: So I guess uh Bars didn't like him.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Jealousy. That's pure jealousy right there, Yeah.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Bo Boff and Martin Martins and then they go on
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: and talking about well Bush here says, uh, I have
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: reason to believe that it was based upon his affiliation.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: I have reason to believe it was Carlos Marcelo. Did
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: did fairy tell you who was paying for him transporting
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: all these people? And he says, I have reason to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: believe it was Carlos Marcelo. And he says Marcelo or
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Sergio Smith? And Garrison who he said?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: Who is he?
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: What was that other name? Sergio Smith? Would you say
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: it again?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: Slowly? Smith?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: What's his name? And uh Sergio Seggio Garrison said, Here
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: says sir g Oh, well the fucker yeah, do you
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: hear me that time?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Motherfucker? Good lord, Garrison must have been harder here.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Now, Garrison says, now, who is this Carlos Marcelo you're
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: talking about? As if Garrison has no clue who Carlos is?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: So what's he just? He's just playing dumb with the guy. Yeah, man, yeah,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: for she.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Says, all I know is he's somebody with the syndicate
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: and he was involved in a lot of heroin trafficking
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans and all over really, so they talk
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: about him working for Marcelo and Fly.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Now Marcelo said he was just a simple tomato salesman.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Rob Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Une yeah, man, I mean this,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: this document just goes on and on. I'm trying to
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: think of the see if there's any anything else in
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: here about Carlos and Hernandez. Let's see. I think that's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: about it, because yeah, we're getting back to more duplicate
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: documents of same thing.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: So don't you love that?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta love it. Ooh, here's something different. This is
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: from June twenty fourth, nineteen and seventy six, all right
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: to the to the r SS or the DSS from
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: sw L R E JFK. A lot of abbreviations in this,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: and it's very faded. It's hard to tell, but it says.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Bob Goldberg called this morning with his suggesting that we
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: go back to the tip from Congressman Michael's former a
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Jim Cromwell, who've said a plane that disappeared from an
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Illinois airfield three days before the assassination. The plane was
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: rented by a man named Hernandez and never returned. I
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: agree with Bob that it might be good to go
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: back to Michael's office to see if they can dig
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: anything out. And this now, this is a year later
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: from you know, from when they were originally talking about it. Yeah,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: and then there's a no on here that says NB
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: colon I have similar lead r E Redbird Field in Dallas.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: Memo to come t y six twenty four. Oh shit, Yeah,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: I need you to send me that. I would love
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: to share that with David because he's been sort of
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: hot on Carlos Hernandez's trail through Redbird through Mcowan for
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: a few years. I think we may have talked about
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: that on the show several years ago.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now this is weird. What do you know what
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: RSS is? Does anybody tiny dancer?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: RSS? Yes? Can you share the document? Let me look
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: at Is it an abbreviation? What do you got?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Well, they're calling him, this is who the thing is
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: addressed to, d m TG d N RSS return earned
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: a DM for file and then it's RSS staffer and
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: the initials BG.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: I'd have to look at it. I mean, I don't
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: know if it's FBI what it is.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Let me keep going and see if see if there's
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: anything else that might lead us to what the hell
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: this is?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Simpits knows, but uh, weird, weird.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: David's pretty good at deciphering those abbreviations because you know,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: like RSS cos you know it's it, And sometimes when
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: he explains them to me, I'm like, oh, well that
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: was obvious if I, you know, thought about it for
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: two minutes.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I'll send you this file and
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: feel free to share with them guys and see what
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: they think about it.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Tiny wants you to say it again, r s S.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Hang on, let me see if I can share this.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Hold tight, let me see if I can snipe it
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: because I'm in the I'm in pro scenes and I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: don't want to screw ship up, but hopefully I can
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: save this and then share it.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: Hang on, this dancer, he is working on it for us,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: so we can get a gander of it.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: You and die, it's coming ready and let's see here
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: ed a new layer a media file up.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Where is it?
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Where is it? Where is there?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: It is? Tiny, said.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Nacroiss Home all right, can you see that, Doug, it's
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: French Gubert.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: Let me see.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: Quo.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: That is definitely well, you know, it looks like it
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: could be CIA, but I don't know. I would love to,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, definitely get that to David and Bill tomorrow
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: and I could probably have you an answer for your
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: show next week.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean there's a lot of abbreviations.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Going on there.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: You know, shit, how do I get.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: All is? Well?
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Heye, poppy, there we madam? All right, Doug, you want
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: to drop what I said? It's rob Yeah, we're back.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: We're back, all right, Doug. You want to get into
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: some of the other documents you sent me earlier?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Uh sure, I thought you what did you had some emails?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, man, some of those documents. I
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: was like, hey, we'll look through this file, but I
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: gotta tell I kind of hit it in. There's just
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: not much there.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Oh okay, well yeah, it's up
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: to you. We can skip it and hit hit emails.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Really, I was like, it was like, you know, go
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: back up for what you know, if we needed some
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: extra fluff, right, it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: Would have been a backup for a backup segment on
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Quick It's maybe I gotta tell you I'm sorry I
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: let you down, but I hope I redeem myself with
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: my with my little with my little pepe peppe peppy thing. Yes,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: but now you know, we're not, like I say, we're
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: not gonna solve the case or anything. We'll just see
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: if we can identify just where those two operations could
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: have emanated. Right. And also, here's another thing, another facet
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: to it. Right, in the interest of pairing down your
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory, I guess you know, because these guys are
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: kind of in the same school we are, you know,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: the monolithic, gigantic, huge conspiracies. Probably not what happened, right,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: in trying to identify if there are any people that
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: we think were genuinely probably involved in the assassination, right,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: who could have been in a position to affect a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: propaganda operation like the Pepe letters or the Pedro Charles letters.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: You know, people who are like the spoke of the wheel, right,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: like like, Okay, there are other people that you and
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: I are convinced or personally ourselves are convinced or involved
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: in the assassination.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: John Martine would be one of them, right, exactly, yeah, exactly, Well,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: who would be in a position to have access, say
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: to the information regarding black information propaganda operations, right, Paul
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: Blow He calls these like a black letter operation, and
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: that's a good term for it. But someone in a
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: position to affect both, you know, the the assassination itself
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: and that operation and something like the Pedro Charles letters
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: or the Pepe letters. You know, who's in a position
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: to do that. Like you and I talk a lot
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: about the Mexico City operation, right of the Oswalden Mexico
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: City thing, right, regimental support staff, that makes perfect sense,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: and that would be yeah, actually, damn right, good work, misdancer. Yes,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: beIN trabajo, madam. Absolutely, But yeah, you know, like you
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: and I talk, like with the assassination itself, not very
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: many people a dozen people in the world are going
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: to know that those microphones are in the Cuban consulate
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: and and the Soviet consulate in Mexico City. So that
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: really cuts down the number of people who could have
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: the idea to send an oswald impersonator through Mexico City
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: to get him on tape. Right. It pairs it down, right,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: So one of the things we're trying to do, is
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: okay the stay behind networks in Cuba that possibly would
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: have been the source of the mailed letters, right, tying
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Pedro Charles to Oswald, tying Antonio Rodriguez to a pro
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: Castro plot to murder Kennedy and to Pino Machado. Right, okay, Well,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: who was in a position, say within the agency, right
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: or within the anti Castro mill you as it were,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, Hey you momos quicker on the button, Brot.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: I gotta give him that. I gotta give him that.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: But you know, seeing if we can pay to picture
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: draw some lines too, from the Dallas plot to say,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: the Mexico City plot, to the black propaganda operations, specifically
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: these two that emanated around the assassination and before it.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know if we're gonna come
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: up with a you know, Golden Key type answer and nothing,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: but uh.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: I'll give you to look into who's that one?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Our boxes are all fucked up? Hold on a second,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: how does get all fucking.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Bro don't look at me. This is the first time
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: we're doing a show and it's not anchored. I'm listening.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not I didn't fuck nothing up this time? This time.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I time. I just don't know how I did.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: You guys have no idea how how many Saturday mornings
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: doing quick hits at MOMO and I have had to
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: call the lead engineer here at the studio at home
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: so he could remote in to fix something Momo fucked
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: up before we could even start. Rob's over there on
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: the other end, like twiddling his thumbs, but just just.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Digging into some things and seeing certain documents.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: Was it.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Carlos Bringer's uncle was a stay behind in the in
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: the dre.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was Jorge Bringer. So I'm just saying
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: maybe after the assassination he talked to his brother and
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Carlos said, hey.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: You know for the Pedro Charles letters, that's that's that's
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: pretty good thinking. I mean, if he's if he's still
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: a stay behind part of one of these stay behind
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: networks of the CIA in Cuba, you know, I mean,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: just throwing it out there, just throwing it out there,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: and yeah, for sure, but you know, and when we say,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: like like I used the football analogy of same playbook,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: different set and downs, you know, between say, the Pepe
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: letters and the Pedro Charles letters. It's I don't believe
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: so I but I can't say for sure. And interestingly enough,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: uh no war with Iran. I believe Paul Blow has
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: found documents with the kryptonyms in them, with links between
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: Pino Machado and June cop But unfortunately, excuse me, we've
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: shared so much information between the four of us in
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: the past couple months, and I've read so much information.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: I'm forgetting the details right now, and I do apologize,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: but I guarantee you that's gonna be part of the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: whole thing.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and we can update you a little
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: bit on the next quick hits, bring them up to speed,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And now that this we know, this is so
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: easy to do, I've just come back on here. Fuck wa,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: y'all see how y'all see? I just invited myself, like
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: like like my in laws do on my damn vacation
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: every year. Just invite yourself.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I've got I've got an empty seat over there, you know,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: for the future.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: So I'm I'm gonna have to sit under that light fixture. Emma, No,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: we'll put up some cardboard up over yeah, we don't
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: want to almost gave away some inside baseball there. I'll
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: shut the fuck up now.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Oh lord, all right, Doug, you ready for some emails?
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I'm ready for even like quick hits. We
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: got that. These are quick Hits emails or these the
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: lone Gumming podcast emails?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Because look, huh, these are the lone Gumming podcast email.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Oh good, because I'm like, we're scheduled in two weeks. Man,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: don't don't like.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blow the load here.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: Don't don't. Don't enter your whole sack right now.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: No, No, I just figured it'd be cool to do
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: some lung gumming emails because I never read them on
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: the show. I get them all the time, but I
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: just never read them.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Oh that's Awesome's too bad we don't have our quick
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: Hits email theme.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: I try to answer most of them, but you know,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: it's a lot.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: It's a lot, dude, for real, for real. I shut
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: mine down years ago. It was just ding ding ding
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: ding ding all day time. Yeah, alright, emails, that's right,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, brought to you by Rob Clark. Hell yeah,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: he is awesome. It was got to be mails. Yeah,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: triple b mails. Hell, yeah, triple emails.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Let me put my whistle before we get into this. Okay,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: this comes from Dave Boom. It's titled praise and a
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: couple of corrections, because you know how much I love
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: being corrected.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: Though I love you.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: You fucked up, Hey, Rob, longtime listener, first time emailer.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Love all your podcasts. Informative and entertaining for sure.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: I very much appreciate your current dives into the lore
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: and your attempts to set the record straight. You're making
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: important points and doing valuable work.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Thanks Dave.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But in that spirit, I'm hoping to
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: help correct a few things in a tale of two morticians,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: just pointing out that Jane Mansfield was not decapitated. It's
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: it's an unfortunate story that has become part of the
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: lore of her death.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Well that's news to me. I thought I thought that
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: was the case, but nay.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: You know, an early reporter looked at the scene and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: or photographs and noticed her wig on the dashboard or
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: tangled in the steering wheel. That erroneous report was Rinston
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: repeated throughout the years. To quote your observation on Quick
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Hits sadly, her daughter Mariska Hargatea, who was asleep in
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: the back of the car by the way.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: She could get one. Doug. Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: twice if she has nice.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, has had to live with that unfortunate and ugly
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: rumor all her life. Just wanted you to be aware,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: because I can tell you don't want to be a
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: party just spreading incorrect info. Oh heaven forbid, I spread
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: incorrect info. Doug.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know, man, you can't do that.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I feel like I do it all
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: the time. You know, there's always been disclaiming.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't think I spread incorrect info. I just
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: wish I didn't forget shit so much, you know, when
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: we're doing shows. That's the bad part. I can't remember
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: anything anymore. That's why I got these notebooks. That's what
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: those are for.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: And that's why I do spread misinformation sometimes because I
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: don't write shit down. I just go off the top
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: of my head. And trust me, it is a mess
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: in there, folks, a mess thirty thirty five years of
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: fucked up quotes and paragraphs and books and stories and
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: forums and everything else and podcasts.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Good lord, dude, I wrote I wrote sixteen pages about
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: some letters this week, and while of God, couldn't even
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: remember if they were all fucking typed. I've been studying
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: that all week.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: What the hell, Hey, it happens.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: I know. That's the thing about this live thing. Right,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: one time you and I did a did a did
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: a show together Robbie Robertson's very fine podcast Out of
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: the Blank yep, right, And uh, I don't think we
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: did it live. I think he taped it. He pre
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: recorded it, right, but he was gonna like upload it
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: that very same day. It was hours later. I was
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: just going over in my head and I realized that
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: I swapped the CIA kryptonyms for the United States in Cuba, right,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: I got him backwards PB rooming in PB Prime And
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: that fucked with me all day. Man, And I said
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: that dude, I actually sent that dude to like sending
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: an email like could you beat that out please? Because
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: I'm a dumb ass, you know, And he's like, nobody's
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: nobody's gonna know, man, nobody's I'm like, but I will, right,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: That's why I write everything down, damn.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: It, dude. I used to beat myself up so much
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: for saying wrong shit on here. Now, I just don't
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: care anymore.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: I just.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: I don't even highlight it anymore. I just don't even
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: mention it. I'll just keep it going.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: I remember one time in the early days, early early days,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: right before we get edit, I did like a forty
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: minute before we can pause. Yeah, before we could pause. Yeah,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: fuck edited, we couldn't even pause it. He's right now,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: he's right. We used to do this when we started
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: doing this. You better not hit fucking stop.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: If you fucked up twenty minutes into a thirty minute podcast,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: trash it over.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: Fuck yep. Yeah, that's all it took. You lose You
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: lose your spot one time. But I did. I got
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: the Oswald in Mexico City, visit to the consulate wrong
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: by two days, right like the date. Yeah, And I
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: was like I had to think and right the upload button,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, fuck, it was like forty two minutes long.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: Finally I said, I can't do that. I gotta redo it,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: and I redid that whole damn thing. Yeah. Those were
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: the days, man. Yeah, And this was back when, like
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: you know, our kids were little and they'd bang on
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: the door and shiit thirteen minutes fourteen minutes into it,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: you'd be like, fuck, I gotta start over now. Damn.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: I'll be sitting in my car at work, birds tripping
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: in the background.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: That's right. You used to used to record him in
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: the cart work. Yeah.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever song was playing on the on the car
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: radio would be my interest song.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, uploaded at lunchtime, recorded, recorded. But you know,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about Buel Fraser today. That motherfucker rob
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: it upload eighteen minutes bam, Yeah, I was quoting rob there.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not calling that man that name. Robby. Can't even
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: edit that out, can you?
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: Damn, I keep forgetting I'm not a quick hit.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: That's all right, nobody watches.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: Uh he probably does know my luck. I'm sorry, sir, And.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Let me just tell everybody thank you out there for
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: I think last week's show was the quickest ever to
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: reach the most views in a week, over twelve hundred
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: views on the Matt Doubted episode in less damn. So
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: that's pretty damn good.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome, dude. Maybe you have that guy back
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: next week?
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: Right Where were we here?
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, why pro chargers are better than turbos? More corrections?
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, going back to episode three seventy five, which Doug,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what the hell three seventy five was,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: and we're only on three eighty four, but I'm hip it.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe this will clear it up. A lot was made
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: of Johnny Brewer's testimony about the lobby or a fourier
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: or alcove. There was confusion about was Oswald in the
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: store or not, and I think, looking at different versions
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: of his accounts was somehow misinterpreted as him changing his
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: story or lying. And he sends a photo of Hardy's
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Shoe store which I can I'm looking at, I see it.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: The door is set back from the sidewalk by at
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: least ten to twelve feet, creating an alcove or an
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: outside lobby if you will, on either side, or glass
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: display windows. It's almost like a hallway and an ideal
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: place to duck in if someone didn't want to be
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: noticed standing directly on the sidewalk in front of the building.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: It's a small detail you may not have caught in
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: photos or recreations of the Oswald and Brewer account. I
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: only bring it up to help clear up the confusion,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: because the longer that discussion went on, the more, it
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: seemed to spiral away from the facts. Hey, just because
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: the other windnesses inside the store didn't see Oswald enter
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: the door, doesn't mean Brewer was lying on this point,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: not criticizing, just offering info. Mm hmmm, uh, I'll skip
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: that part.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: Uh No, it must be bad.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Uh looking forward to more fantastic info sent from my
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: iPad without spell checking, proofreading, or other common courtesies. Oh no,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: thank you Dave for your kind words at the beginning
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: of your email. And as for your corrections, go fuck yourself, Dave.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: No, kay would not be in your favorite as long
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: as you know. He's not the one to play with.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: There's more than one side to a story, you know
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And there's more than I mean, I'm
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: just taking what the document said that face value, and
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: he's looking more into what Brewer's testimony means, you know,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: And it said what it said, and that's all we
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: went by.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: You reported the information. He's engaged in analysis, right right, yeah, yeah,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: you know, different things.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: Does it matter if Oswald was in the store, if
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: he was right outside the front door, It really doesn't matter, really,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, but.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: Whatever, what are you gonna do?
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: What are you gonna do so, Thanks Dave, and uh
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: keep listening to the show.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: We love You.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: I was joking when I say good for yourself. It's
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: a term of endearment for me. All right, next email up,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: let's see, h we got one from Urine ur In
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: check at well. I'm not gonna give his whole email
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: address out there. Uh oh it's James. James says, Hi,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: guys or guy guys. Thank you for the many, many
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: excellent podcasts. As I was searching for evidence that Marina
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: Oswald did not know how to use the camera that
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: took the backyard photos, I stumbled across quote on the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Trail of Delusion Fred Litman's podcast episode twenty, the Marina
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: Oswald tape.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: I have never heard it. I cannot comment on that podcast.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, backup. Yeah he has
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: a podcast.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really, yeah, I'm in the opening to his fucking podcast.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: My audio.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: From excuse me from the first time I had him
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: on my show. He stripped the audio of me praising
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: him and put it in his intro to his podcast.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: Pretty fucking fuddy. It is pretty fucking funny. Well played,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: mister littling.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Fred Lewin interviews Steve Rowe, who have had on
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: the show as well, and Dennis Morssett movie makers, and
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: a Russian born documentary filmmaker named Marianna Eurov Scott.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: Yah, yeah, yeah, never heard of.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: Her, who translated for a film about these tapes. Strangely
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: and the notes about the podcast, the film's name's not mentioned.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: Later in the podcast, Paul Gregory my familiar.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: He's he's the Uh.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: Shit his dad's name?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: Is that the guy who was a rush dad knew Oswald?
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: It was a Russian interpreter from Marina.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, not the guy that met him through Peter
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: gre Maybe met him due de mornshield or was at
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: the the the part? What was that party they call it?
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: It's named after a tree.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Magnolia party.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Magnolia party. Yeah, weren't they there? Maybe? Or maybe?
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know, he says.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: Later, Paul Gregory joins the discussion, Several excerpts of phone
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: calls of Marina are played. I don't speak Russian, but
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: one thing I noticed about the excerpts was when Marina
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: said anything indicating in the slightest way she thought Lee
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: was guilty. That the entire spoken text was translated every
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: now and then. For instance, when Marina's girlfriend Katya Ford
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: asked why Lee came home on a Thursday, there is
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: no translation of what Marina said, and several other places
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Marina spoke for an entire minute, but the translation was
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: he did. In other words, I don't trust the translations
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: of missus yaro vaska ya ya. It appears to me
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  Speaker 1: that what was translated and the excerpts of the wire
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: taps was dependent on proving Oswald's guilt. Positive was that
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: they concluded that what Marina said on these tap phone
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: calls showed she wanted to believe her husband was innocent.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: And then he asked, are you guys aware of these
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: tapes of a short time in sixty four when the
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: FBI admitted we're tapping Marina's phone? We were, and we
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: actually went over him in a member's only show. James,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: obviously you're not a member or you missed that show.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: Are you aware of an English transcript of the calls
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: or the tapes? No, I don't think anybody has legitimately
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: translated every word of the tapes. Although that sounds something
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: that sounds like something that Jefferson Morley would try to
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: do what hasn't and probably get it wrong. But perhaps
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: the contents of these wiretap calls. I think they only
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: cover a few weeks. Sixty four contained some interesting comments
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: from Marina which will make a good podcast. Again, we
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: did it, you missed it again, many many thanks for
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: the many fantastically researched podcast you guys have produced. James,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, James, and yeah, become a member, go back
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: and find it.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you can watch it. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: We provided excellent commentary, Sir. I think it's been a while.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember that stuff either. What I've done
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: in the past, what I've done in the past.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you got an email from Bill Reid, says Rob,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: I just listened to your recent episode with Matt on
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: the JD. Tippett Murder. I have an answer for you
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: on the question about the pronunciation of Niches as in
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: six oh one Niches Street the Niches River, and I'm
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: probably saying it wrong.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: I am fuck.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: It located in East text and flowing through Bomont, is
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: pronounced nations or nations. The name is pronounced with the
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: long a sound, rhyming with neighbors, so nay neighbors Nations,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: followed by a chez or schiz sound nation's nations. Having
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: grown up in Bowmont, I'm familiar with the name. Hope
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: this helps. Also, Matt mentioned that he gave Tippett tours.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: I'd be very interested in doing that. Would you send
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: my email to Matt about wanting more info?
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks? Oh, and please tell Doug Campbell. Hi, Hi Doug.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: And I guess Momo too.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: Well, that was nice.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: That was nice that dude. I'll tell Momo Hello over you.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: Momo's over there. I'm in studio Studio E. He's in
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: Studio A doing engineering a vocal section session. They're doing
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: like background vocals, like harmonies, yeah kind of thing. And
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: it's some kind of it's some kind of R and
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: B thing. It's not a not a country thing. Yeah.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: The reason that he was asking that because I was
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: asking Matt because remember that that mysterious package address to
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: Lee Oswald that they found the nixy Ben after the
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Nation because it was undeliverable.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: Male.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, had the wrong address on it. It had six
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: O one West n A S S I O U
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: S Street Nashists, not Nassau, Nashius. And I was thinking
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: and I saw a street like close to like Zang's
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: and Beckley where his rooming house was, and Elsbeth, but
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: there was one spelled n E C h E S.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: So I was thinking, Okay, well, you know, Oswald couldn't
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: spell where the ship, so maybe he had heard Nation's
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: nations like this guy said it was they nations and
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: maybe that's how Oswald.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: Spelled it phonetically. Yeah, yeah, because there is no he
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: couldn't spell worth a dam, there.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: Is no West Nation Street in Dallas. So I looked
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: up on Google Maps six oh one West Niches Street
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: or Nation Street, and you could see on the side
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: of a house in the six hundred block, and it
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: was a house that was right on the corner. And
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: you know how back in the day they used to
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: divide the houses up into apartments, you know, and rent
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: them out or whatever. Well, you could see there was
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: still a porch on the side of this house where
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: a door used to be, but they walled it in
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: and I guess it became a single family house instead
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: of being busted up into like pray two or three apartments.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: But it was a perfect little shitty apartment, you know,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: for Oswald to be staying because it was addressed to
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: Lee Oswald, six to one West Nation Street, Dallas, Texas.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: But the way he spelled it, they didn't deliver.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: It wound up in the dead letter box, drawing attention again.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then what was in it was a paper bag.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That that that's interesting because of what he allegedly
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: possibly had some curtain rids.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: In right, allegedly, And.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: There was a theory and I believe I heard you
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: talking about it now like it might have been some
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: sort of marked card or something like him mailing something
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: to himself.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: It was open on one end. Yeah, so who knows
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: what might have been in it?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, thank you Bill for that email. All right,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: I'm getting hungry, Rob, I'm just letting you know.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Ah, we got one from Preston Kennedy. Thought you might
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: find this interesting or at least humorous. Found it on
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: a Facebook page called Bad Album Cover Collective, best wishes
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: and hopes for a speedy return.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: Please let it be Beverly Oliver and the Dummy. Please
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: let it be Beverly Oliver and the Dummy, because that's
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: where I discovered it.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's Beverly Oliver.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: Oh but there's no ventriloqu was dummy.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: It ain't with the dummy. Let me pull this thing
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: up real quick.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: Have you ever featured that on the Long Guming podcast,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: because I know we've done it on a Quick Hit.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: We've played her with the gospel singing Ventrilo was dummy?
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: What was his name, little Dicky or some shit?
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: I don't remember what his name was.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: All right here it is.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Uh, he'll do it again, obviously, not with you. Once
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: more once would be more than enough.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: That is a wig. That is one hundred percent a wig.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: That is some Dolly Parton want to be shit if
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen it, And.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: That is one hundred percent not babuska, lady, No, no, no,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: no no.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: I wonder if her bobushka looks like that, you know,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: there's like that much hair down there.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: Does the babushka match the drape drop? That's whatever?
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: She ever wore a bikini, she'd have to put another
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: bobuska around her bottom half bikini. This man, good lord,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: thank you Presting for that lovely image.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: Tarzan pops out. Oh oh, and well we finally did
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: degenerate into it Quick Hits episode. It took two and
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: a half hours. But there we go. We got there,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: We got there.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's I got another email. But we're going
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: to save this last series of emails for the next
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: members only because it's good. It's a good it's a
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: good one.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: Hey, Southwest Beverly saying, Jesus put a yodel in my heart.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: Isn't that the one with the Ventriloicus dummy. I think
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, that's one we played on Quick Hits. Yes, yeah,
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: and that is that. It's delightful. Let's just face it.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: It's delightful. Oh she had that little wooden fucker bouncing
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: under knee. It was awesome.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: Oh and folks, that's it. That's it, that's it, that's
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: the show that that's what we call a pod though.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: That's a pod, that's a podo.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: Go damn dude. I've had as much fun right here
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: as I have once a month doing we gets with you. Absolutely, Yeah,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: this has been cool.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: So here's how we do it over here.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: Well, look, let me just say, man, you get in
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: the need, holler at me. You know I'm around. We'll do,
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: we'll do.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate you coming on and hanging out with us,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: and I know the people were thrilled to see you
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: here as well.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: And uh, I think we give him a.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: Good a good show, great show as usual.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks Doug. That was fun.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, people love you and I love you. Thank
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: you so much for coming on here, Dino, get your
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: fat ass in here, sir.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: I missed it.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 5: He did not talk for the record, but he said
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 5: come to Bourbon Street and I got.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: This and speaker ed do.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: That is awesome.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 5: Every boom, the greatest lies are told in the name
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 5: of truth. The greatest crimes are committed.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: In the name of the folks.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: Have a wonderful weekend. Thanks for hanging out with.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 5: Us against him in this strange case.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: Good night. He wu tang is for the children.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 6: Right, the children day and Andrews he feel a booth
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 6: is for the children. And David Faery is definitely for
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 6: the children.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: Oh man, And we're out.