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AI In Ministry | Can This Tool Be Used For Good? · The Curt Landry Podcast

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  Hey everyone, you're listening to the Curt Landry podcast where we're going to help you
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  discover your kingdom destiny.
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  My name is Darrell and sitting right beside me, it's his show, it's Rabbi Curt Landry.
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  And in this episode, we're going to be discussing the topic of artificial intelligence, better
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  known as AI.
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  We're going to break down how this new technology will impact the spreading of the gospel.
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  But before we jump into this episode and much more, Rabbi, how's it been going, man?
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  Hey listen, I'm doing really good.
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  I'm excited about what's happening in the world.
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  There's a lot of things shifting, but I think that if I could kind of, where I'm at, I'm
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  looking for the opportunity in the chaos.
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  Because anytime there's this much shaking, some good things are going to shake loose.
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  And I want to encourage people to have that attitude.
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  And one of the things that, you know, I'm real excited about this subject today talking
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  about AI, artificial intelligence.
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  Listen, I've been praying about this for about three years and actually started to kind of
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  on my own researching it.
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  And so I'm just excited about this subject.
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  And I know I've got, anyway, I'm just really pumped about the opportunities here.
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  Anytime we can spread the gospel through any format, to me, that's a good thing.
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  You know, you're really, about salvation, here's the thing.
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  If you can just, you know, that there's actually over one billion people, this isn't my stats,
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  this is off, I think, Barnum, one billion people in the world have never heard the gospel.
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  Never.
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  And what people have to understand is, with all this technology and what we have, we have
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  a responsibility at least give them an opportunity here at Make a Choice.
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  You know, what a sad thing that someone goes to hell.
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  I mean, you have to believe in heaven and hell, and I do.
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  And many years ago, I actually, my pre-, my late teens and my unsaved days, I actually
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  had an overdose on LSD.
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  And when I overdosed on the LSD, I actually had an experience where I went to hell and
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  had a very horrible experience with Satan and everything, and you would say, well, that's
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  horrible, but to be honest with you, you know, what the enemy meant for bad, the Lord turned
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  to good.
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  One of my motivations to share the gospel with as many people and any, listen, I'll
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  go anywhere and share the gospel.
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  And one of the reasons is because that experience, it was so terrifying.
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  I can just say this, it was almost like I was on the verge of like a nervous breakdown
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  and losing my mind.
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  I was so tormented in this overdose atmosphere of, it felt like I physically was in hell
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  and I was facing Satan and he said he was gonna kill me.
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  And my wife wasn't saved at the time.
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  She didn't know this was happening to me with Christy.
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  She prayed to God.
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  She actually, at that time, unsaved people, she prayed, and I believe her prayer was heard,
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  pulled me out, and obviously I survived it, but I've never forgotten.
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  And so to me, when I look at statistics like that, over a billion people have never heard
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  the gospel, if we have an opportunity to reach them so that they don't go to hell, to me,
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  that's probably the ultimate responsibility of a Christian is to share that reality because
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  I can tell you that my hell experience was, you wouldn't wish it upon your worst enemy.
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  So episode five, this is gonna be the first episode of the Curt Landry podcast that we're
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  bringing in a special guest and this one individual is just incredible in the sense from the marketing
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  side but from the AI side.
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  He's got a big background in it.
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  His name is Tucker Dunleavy and he's Curt Landry Ministry Senior Director of Digital
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  and Creative Marketing and super blessed to have Tucker on our team but definitely wanted
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  to bring him in to kind of break down his perspective on coming on board for the ministry
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  and what we can use technology and how we can spread the gospel.
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  But before we bring him in, Rabbi, at this point leading into the AI discussion, it's
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  been hot for the past couple years, right?
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  I guess simply ask what point, if it was prophetically or is it a moment of vision, a dream, what
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  led you to this point of saying, okay, I feel like that CLM's gonna take on AI and we're
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  gonna take it to the next level to spread the gospel?
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  Okay, one of the reasons I like the Curt Landry podcast, I get to be very transparent.
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  So I'm just gonna share my experience.
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  So roughly about three years ago, maybe a little bit longer, I was looking at the AI
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  and listen, I'm an optimistic person.
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  I always look at things and maybe too optimistic sometimes.
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  But anyway, I was looking at it and I was having a conversation with some other Christian
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  leaders and I said, you know what, this AI, I think I'm gonna do something with AI.
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  And when I did, basically, there was a real negative response.
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  Oh my gosh, this is the antichrist.
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  I can't believe you're gonna do it.
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  And I had some people pretty close to me almost like on the rebuking stage, like telling,
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  you can't do this.
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  This is the devil, you're this.
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  And I'm going, okay, well, maybe it is.
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  And so I said, okay, I'm gonna back off.
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  I literally told them, I said, okay, I'm not gonna do this right now, but I am gonna research
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  it.
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  And anyway, my son-in-law and I, Paul, didn't tell anybody, but we thought, okay, we're
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  gonna research this.
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  And when I'm talking about research, I'm talking about attorneys and people like Tucker you're
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  gonna talk about.
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  And I mean, we went deep into this thing.
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  But before I did that, what I did is I went to the Lord and I prayed and I said, Lord,
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  tell me.
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  I said, man, my brothers are like stoning me out here with this thing.
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  I lost my mind.
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  And I literally said that in my prayer.
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  And what the Lord told me prophetically was he said, it's a rock.
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  I said, okay, it's a rock.
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  What do you mean?
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  He said, it's just a rock.
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  He said, it's a rock.
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  You can either take a rock and kill your brother Abel.
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  You can kill Abel.
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  Cain can kill Abel with a rock.
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  Or you can be King David and use the rock to kill the Goliath.
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  And he says, it's all the intention of the heart.
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  So I said, all right, I get it.
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  It's the heart.
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  So my heart is to preach the gospel, bring the good news to places I can't get to.
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  And AI has a lot of features and abilities to be able to do that.
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  So I really sense that's when we started to research it.
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  We moved for almost two years.
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  And then obviously we're blessed to find Tucker and he came into our lives.
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  And here he is, a Christian, and also has AI experience.
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  And we have another gentleman named Stefan and he has AI experience.
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  And so anytime you do something, now listen, most of my Christian brothers that were close
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  to me now that I have shared with them, and then, Darrell, I shared with them me speaking
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  Espanol.
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  And they looked at that from AI.
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  It's like, okay, so in the three year period, I had everyone kind of against me and now
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  everyone's going go, Kurt, go.
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  This is great.
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  But one of the things people don't realize is that in order to have proof of concept
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  and with technologies that are pioneering, I don't care what it is, it just takes time
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  to be able to wrestle the thing to the ground to where you can function.
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  And we're just now getting there.
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  But I think it's one of the greatest tools to be able to spread the gospel and save people
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  from going to hell that ever.
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  I mean, I think it's great.
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  We want to kind of share that on this podcast with people because, man, it's something obviously
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  that can be used for evil, but it's also something that can be used for good.
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  I think it has to do with the heart and what you put in the funnel.
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  Podcast at curtlandry.com.
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  If you have questions, any thoughts that you want to share with us, hopefully we get a
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  ton, Rabbi.
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  I mean, it's been trickling in.
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  But again, if you have anything, make sure you just put the title and the subject line
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  so we know what it's about and so we can get it to Rabbi and we can just analyze it and
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  decide what to do with it.
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  But again, it's podcast at curtlandry.com.
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  And Rabbi, I think you mentioning Curt Landry in Espanol is a good segue to bring in our
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  guy Tucker.
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  Nathan, go ahead and pod Tucker in for us.
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  Tucker.
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  Hey, Darrell.
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  Rabbi, thanks for having me.
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  Yeah.
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  It's so great to have you.
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  I mean, listen, I know you've only been with us a short while, but you're such a blessing
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  and such a great...
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  I wish you were here on campus with us, but I know that you're not.
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  But it's just, your presence and your work is so appreciated.
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  And Kristi and I just love having you in our family.
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  Well, thanks, Rabbi.
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  I really appreciate that.
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  And yeah, it feels like a lot longer.
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  I think I've been here about going on half a year now.
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  We've been moving quickly and I really have enjoyed working with the team here, Darrell
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  and everyone on the media and marketing departments.
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  It's been quite the experience.
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  Learning a lot and I'm really happy to be here today to talk about AI and how we can
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  use that technology to reach new hearts with an advanced, the kingdom.
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  But also just to get your perspective, which is unique to me.
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  So before jumping into that, I am in New England.
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  We're getting a lot of snow today.
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  The kids actually have another snow day.
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  How's the weather looking like over there in Oklahoma?
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  Yeah, it's the same thing here.
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  We've got snow and ice and low temperatures.
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  The difference here is it won't last long.
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  Like next week, it could be like 40 or 50 degrees.
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  But yeah, we're in, we've been at the school.
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  We have a school here at House of David coming in Academy and the kids are home because we
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  don't want people out on the roads.
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  But it's really, it's not too bad.
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  Good, good.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, anyway, if we want to jump into AI, I'm really excited.
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  I have kind of a list of questions for you and then I'd love to just give my input and
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  thoughts on this whole topic.
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  I think, you know, to start, Darrell, thanks for the introduction, by the way, man.
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  Really nice.
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  Just a little background.
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  So yeah, I consider myself a tech and AI enthusiast.
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  Just a nice rephrasing of the term geek.
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  And like many in the modern world, I've spent my entire life, my adult career working behind
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  a screen.
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  So it's something that I've sort of grown up with and I've become very familiar with
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  over the years.
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  Yeah, before before coming to the ministry, before coming to Curt Landry Ministries, I
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  was actually working as the creative director for an AI company based in New Zealand that
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  had headquarters just out of New York City.
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  So just a little background.
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  I worked on a subset of generative AI, which is called Natural Language Generation, or
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  NLG, and I'll stop with the acronyms after that because I can already tell that everyone's
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  eyes are glossing over.
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  But essentially, our AI system would analyze your data and then provide written summaries
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  or reports or insights in English, natural language.
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  So that's my background.
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  And I worked there for about six years before coming to the ministry.
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  So a big pivot here in my career and my path, one that I felt really called to and I think,
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  I mean, that final, as they would say, nail in that coffin was I was weighing my options.
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  And you know, one of the first things that came up was how, Rabbi, you were considering
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  bringing in this artificial intelligence into the church and into the ministry.
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  And that, of course, coming from my background, just resonated on such a level with me.
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  And it was something that was so unfamiliar as someone who has been in the process of
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  rediscovering and rededicating his life to God and to Scripture and to really deepening
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  that relationship.
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  It was like a no brainer situation when I heard that, that you were looking at bringing
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  in AI because it's just, it's something, it's not an industry that we were certainly looking
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  at serving.
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  It's not something that I think is, I think it's pretty divisive still across the board.
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  And so I just love, you know, first and foremost, I love that Curt Landry Ministries is open
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  and willing to leverage this technology in a way that will reach hearts and expand those,
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  you know, advance that kingdom of God and his message to these nations through whatever
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  means possible.
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  I love that take.
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  I love that you're saying, hey, this is a neutral technology.
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  It's something that can be used for good or for bad.
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  And if it's there and available, then we are going to leverage it and we are going to use
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  it.
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  So I think that's just a great position to take.
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  Yeah.
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  Special guest, Tucker Dunleavy, Senior Director of Digital and Creative Marketing here at
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  Curt Landry Ministries.
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  First guest on the Curt Landry Podcast and we're talking about artificial intelligence,
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  looking at the impact of spreading the gospel.
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  I guess a question to both of y'all.
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  So when you look at AI and you look at traditional spreading the gospel rabbi, right?
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  And where those two things actually meet, because we're at a really unique spot.
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  And Tucker, I'd love for you to break down and really tell the listeners more about Curt
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  Landry in Espanol.
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  But where do those two things really meet?
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  If it's in the middle, if it's on one end or the other, but like, where are we trying
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  to go in general with that?
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  Because a lot of the listeners are going to want to know, okay, rabbi, you intro'd it.
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  Yeah, they've been listening the past couple years, but now a brand new YouTube channel,
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  it's doing really well and is reaching people internationally.
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  Where are we going to go with this?
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  Okay.
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  So let's bring the scripture in.
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  And this was the scripture that, listen, I had Matthew 24, you know, as somebody who
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  ministers in Israel with Jewish people and understanding the connection to blessing Israel
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  and the end times prophetic fulfillment of things in Israel, Matthew 24, red letter Jesus
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  says verse 14, and this gospel of the kingdom.
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  And that in itself is loaded because we don't just preach like some denominational gospel
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  for 33 years now, this is my 33rd year, but the gospel of the kingdom, and we've always
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  preached kingdom, and it says, will be preached.
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  So Jesus says, Jesus is prophesying here, He says, it will be preached in all the world
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  as it is written to all nations, and then the end will come.
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  So everyone's wanting the rapture, people wanting the Lord to come, but the key is this
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  gospel of the kingdom, the real gospel needs to be preached to all the nations, then the
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  end will come.
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  So I shared earlier in the podcast that, you know, according to statistics, over 1 billion
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  people have not heard the gospel.
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  So that's kind of my foundation is, listen, I understand the ministry of Is to the Jew
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  First.
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  We published my book, Reclaiming Our Forgotten Heritage in Hebrew.
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  Man, you talking about some pushback on that.
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  In fact, the pushback even got us on to the Jerusalem Post here recently.
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  And so I was laughing with the kids, with Paul and Megan, I said, we finally made it
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  to the Jerusalem Post.
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  But of course, it was a negative article about having our book in Hebrew and soldiers getting
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  it, loving the book and the testimony of it.
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  But anytime you do something where you're actually fulfilling Matthew 24, 14, you're
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  preaching the gospel to all the nations.
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  You know, the scripture is very clear that the inheritance, I'm just going to be kind
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  of theologically here, you have to understand the real inheritance for a Christian is not
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  material goods and things, although he fulfills his covenant by providing those things.
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  But the real riches is the nations.
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  And so it's the ethnos, it's the people of the earth.
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  So the fact that to me, time is short, and the only way for us to get to the nations
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  of the earth is with AI.
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  And so it's here, we're going to harness it, and we'll try to keep it as pure and holy
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  as we can with the content that flows in.
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  We'll guard the content that's there.
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  But man, what an accelerator of content to preach the gospel to those who are lost.
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  So I answered the question a long way with the scripture.
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  There's more scriptures than that.
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  But anyway, I feel as a spiritual father, I have a mandate to share the good news.
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  Rabbi, in a few moments, I really want you to jump into the month of Shavuot and how
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  that really plays biblically into what we're doing here, especially with Kurt Landry in
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  Espanol.
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  But Tucker, let's bring you back in on this.
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  So Rabbi broke down the biblical side of spreading the gospel and looking at AI and using it.
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  Where do you sit, kind of in the middle of the digital marketing side, also with the
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  content and using these tools to really reach more souls?
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  So yeah, I mean, I think first off, all press is good press.
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  That's a marketing thing.
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  I stand by that.
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  So hey, even if it wasn't a great article, hey, you made it into the paper.
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  Okay, so let's celebrate that.
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  Amen, right?
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  So now, and it's true to a point, especially in 2024 now, I mean, it's just divisive marketing
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  everywhere.
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  So anyway, speaking specifically to AI, so I think that these tools at our disposal,
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  the way I look at it, and my take is, even as someone who's worked in this field for
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  a long time, is this, having seen what's coming and what's been built so far and just being
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  very close to the subject, there's a lot of pushback and hesitancy from a lot of different
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  people, and especially those in church and religion and the ministry.
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  Some of it is fear out of being replaced.
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  Some of it is, you know, people are going to, AI is going to take jobs, right?
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  That's like the age old tale.
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  Some of it is hesitancy around whether or not it goes against what God's teachings or
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  if it's at its root, something that is, you know, evil or should not be explored by the
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  church.
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  Now, I look at AI as, regardless of the intent behind the technology, it's, as we know, especially
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  after last year with OpenAI releasing chat GPT and then generative AI becomes this like
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  household term, it's here to stay.
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  So my take has always been, if the technology exists and it's not going away, it's not a
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  fluke, it's not just a phase, it's not a fad, and that's been, I think, proven over the
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  past year especially, then how can we use that technology?
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  You know, it's really not a question of how, even, I mean, we have to look at how, but
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  it's really a question of, you know, it's not a question of how, it's really more a question
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  of when we can begin implementing so we don't fall behind the curve.
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  And I know that sounds, you know, for the industry we're in, for what we're doing here
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  as a ministry, it's a unique vantage point, it's a unique perspective, but I think it
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  still applies even from a marketing perspective to some degree that we need to stay, at least
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  keep pace with these technologies to sort of keep up with whether it be, you know, bad
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  actors that are trying to spread negative messages, for example.
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  I think that what we're doing here is trying to spread that positivity through AI and yes,
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  we can reach new languages.
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  Curt Landry and Espanol is a great example of that, right?
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  We're seeing new subscribers come in all because all we did was use an AI tool that uses a
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  natural language processor.
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  It hears what you're saying, Rabbi, it translates that to Spanish in your own voice and then,
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  you know, produces that video.
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  And because of that, now we're reaching new people with the message.
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  It's a positive message.
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  It's a good message.
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  And I think that, so this long-winded answer is to say it's a tool that I think we really
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  need to harness regardless of the take because it's here to stay and those that don't adopt
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  it and I talk, I mean, I've said this to artists, to musicians, all these people that are very
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  scared that they're losing jobs.
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  It's not about replacing.
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  It's really just about augmenting their ability and changing their workflow.
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  And this has been done.
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  I mean, every revolution in, especially in America and in the world that's happened,
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  whether it be the industrial or whatever, there's always been a shift in workforce to
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  sort of a new tech, to support a new technology, a new way of life, a new, you know, engineering
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  process.
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  So it's not, this is not like the first time that there's been a pivotal shift in a workforce.
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  And I think that we, those that embrace it to an extent will continue to flourish in
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  the future.
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  So that's my take on AI in general.
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  I think we have to use it to remain competitive and just relevant in the world.
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  So Tucker, Tucker, one thing I want to throw into this conversation and get you to speak
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  on and then you and Rabbi go back and forth on it.
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  But from an accuracy standpoint, I mean, we've got people on our staff that speak Spanish,
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  they're fluent.
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  And we've sent this to a lot of people before we went to market with it, right?
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  That the accuracy in the teaching, in the message, in the tone is accurate to what Rabbi
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  is saying in English.
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  So that's one thing I really wanted to throw this in there because the different dialects
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  and just where this content is going, I don't want people to think that we're just dubbing
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  something here, right?
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  It is really groundbreaking type of technology and the translation is almost a hundred percent
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  accurate, right?
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  I mean, there's always a little bit depending where you're actually from and what dialect,
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  I like speak to the accuracy of the AI for the Curt Landry in Espanol Channel.
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  And we'll be right back.
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  Yeah, I mean, it's really incredible.
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  And something I always like to tell people is because everyone's so blown away by these
• 28:02
  technologies like this.
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  So that's a natural language processor.
• 28:06
  It's analyzing the actual sound waves from Rabbi's voice and then it's able to replicate
• 28:10
  his voice based on that sort of learning those what those sound waves look like.
• 28:17
  And it's a really interesting technology because it feels to us like it's mastered.
• 28:21
  I would say it's accuracy.
• 28:22
  I mean, I'm not fluent.
• 28:24
  I don't speak Spanish.
• 28:26
  But in terms of just the feedback we've received and what I've seen for those systems is it's
• 28:32
  incredibly accurate.
• 28:34
  And what I love to say to people is just remember if you're blown away now, AI is today at the
• 28:41
  least powerful.
• 28:42
  It's at the worst state that it will ever be in.
• 28:44
  So if you're blown away now, and that's why again it leads back into this keeping pace
• 28:48
  and using this tool for leveraging this tool as best we can because if everyone is so blown
• 28:54
  away, I mean, this is just getting started.
• 28:57
  And that is both extremely exciting and incredibly scary.
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  I can see why people are nervous because to your point, it is incredibly accurate.
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  His flow, the pacing, the tonality is perfect.
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  So what if I as a bad actor come in and say, hey, I'm just going to take a video clip of
• 29:19
  Rabbi and throw it into Hey Gen or another provider and create my own.
• 29:26
  And so that's where we're seeing some of those bad actors already crop up.
• 29:30
  A lot of celebrities have filed a lot of cease and desists against specific channels that
• 29:34
  are not them, Mr. Beast.
• 29:36
  I mean, some of the biggest creators out there are now being sort of attacked in a way their
• 29:42
  identity is being really attacked with these sort of fakes that have cropped up, these
• 29:48
  deep AI deep fakes is probably a term you've heard before.
• 29:52
  So it's exciting.
• 29:53
  It's incredibly accurate, which is again, just a little daunting as well as we kind
• 29:59
  of move into this uncharted territory.
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  So Rabbi, I guess me and Tucker have really spoken on, I guess in that breath on the accuracy
• 30:11
  and just how much testing we did to make sure that this is the best that we could put out
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  and that it's right.
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  What was the reaction that you got from anybody that you share this with?
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  What's just the feedback that you've received personally on it?
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  Well, as we say in Oklahoma, when I showed it in House of David on the Shabbat service,
• 30:39
  we have a saying in Oklahoma that the people's face look like a cow looking at a new gate.
• 30:46
  And so for those that don't know what that means at Oklahoma, we have a lot of sayings
• 30:50
  like that.
• 30:54
  Their eyes are wide open, their jaws dropping.
• 30:56
  Listen, this is their Rabbi.
• 30:58
  People have known me for 20 years plus in the house watching it.
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  And you've got people who are like Peggy and Max.
• 31:06
  It was so funny because they're in their late 70s.
• 31:09
  They've been with me 23 years.
• 31:12
  They're the hospitality pastors in House of David.
• 31:15
  And they're literally sitting there just staring at...
• 31:19
  It's messing with their head because it is so real.
• 31:24
  The voice inflection and what it did to Christie and I, first time we saw it, we were at the
• 31:29
  breakfast room table at our house and we just started laughing.
• 31:35
  And I'm talking about, but not laughing like it's funny, but the joy of the Lord because
• 31:39
  we knew this was our answer.
• 31:41
  Listen, I made a promise to the Lord in 1991 in Israel that I would be a voice.
• 31:48
  And because of the hell experience, I told you, listen, I don't want anyone going to
• 31:53
  hell.
• 31:54
  So I realized when this came, I thought, but listen, I'm entrepreneurial.
• 31:58
  Listen, I guess I am what...
• 32:01
  I don't really have labels.
• 32:04
  The best label I have is Rabbi, which means teacher.
• 32:07
  But I teach, I'm a businessman.
• 32:09
  You guys all know that.
• 32:10
  You work for me so you understand where I'm coming from.
• 32:14
  So I'm very entrepreneurial.
• 32:17
  I understand the risks.
• 32:18
  I've spent 33 years in Israel, the startup nation.
• 32:22
  I have a business in Israel.
• 32:24
  So I understand all the risks, but here's the thing.
• 32:29
  The scripture says, what you fear comes upon you.
• 32:31
  I'm aware of the risk, listen, we started live streaming 15 years ago.
• 32:38
  And when I did that and spent all the money and didn't have any money then for it, everyone
• 32:42
  was going, oh my gosh, that's too expensive.
• 32:46
  It's too risky.
• 32:47
  It's this.
• 32:48
  So I'll just give you a short story, Tucker.
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  This is what happened.
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  You know where we're at.
• 32:52
  We're out in the middle of nowhere here.
• 32:54
  They had fiber optic in the city of Grove.
• 32:57
  I asked them, I want to live stream and they laid fiber optic across sailboat bridge all
• 33:03
  the way out to here for free.
• 33:07
  Didn't charge me a dime so that we could do it.
• 33:10
  And so stuff like that happens.
• 33:12
  And the thing is, if you'll pioneer and start taking baby steps toward what God's asked
• 33:18
  you to do, he'll bring the provision.
• 33:20
  So listen, nobody is telling me that, oh, you were, you know, 15 years later, live streamings
• 33:26
  of the devil or it was bad, but we were criticized.
• 33:29
  So I think what happens is you have to extend mercy and grace to those that don't understand,
• 33:34
  produce the best product that you can.
• 33:37
  I agree with what Tucker is saying.
• 33:39
  AI is at the worst that it is.
• 33:41
  It's going to do nothing but get better.
• 33:43
  It's not going away.
• 33:45
  Listen, if you look at TBN and you look at the testimony of Jan and Paul Crouch, their
• 33:52
  assembly of God, when they were in Los Angeles and they started to say, hey, we're going
• 33:57
  to do Christian television, oh, televisions of the devil, movies of the devil, you know,
• 34:02
  all that assembly of God stuff.
• 34:04
  Well, obviously, they had to pioneer, you know, with their one chair and a shower curtain
• 34:10
  and look where TBN is now.
• 34:12
  Look how many people have been saved through just TBN.
• 34:16
  And they were criticized.
• 34:18
  And Daystar with Marcus Lamb and Joni, same thing, like anytime you're pioneering, and
• 34:24
  I will say this to ministers that are listening, you need to girt yourself up in holiness and
• 34:30
  sanctification and spiritual warfare because when you go on the airways, you're battling
• 34:35
  the prince of the air.
• 34:36
  Who's the prince of the air?
• 34:37
  Satan.
• 34:38
  So you're battling Satan himself.
• 34:40
  But the thing is, when we prayed for like three years before we did the live stream
• 34:44
  15 years ago, we have prepared for AI for three years.
• 34:49
  And I knew that once we launch with this, that, you know, the enemy's there's going
• 34:53
  to be pushback.
• 34:54
  But you have to go back to Jesus on the cross, you know.
• 35:00
  What's the biblical significance of the number three?
• 35:03
  Well, three, the most powerful of the number three in Hebrew, it's Salosh.
• 35:10
  And what it means is actually, it talks about it in Ecclesiastes, Solomon.
• 35:16
  He said, one, is easily overtaken, two, not so easy, but a threefold cord's not easily
• 35:21
  broken.
• 35:22
  So anytime you have God in your life, body, soul, and spirit, God the Father, God the
• 35:27
  Son, the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, anytime you're in, and three is also covenant.
• 35:33
  So when you're in covenant with God and you're in agreement with Him, then if God
• 35:40
  be for you, who can stand against you?
• 35:42
  So you're more than a conqueror through Christ Jesus that gives you strength.
• 35:46
  And so, but in order to pioneer stuff like this, I'm going to do some teaching and
• 35:51
  2024 on pioneer spirit.
• 35:53
  I've actually got some friends who are pioneers that have pioneered some things and I want
• 35:57
  to talk, interview them on this podcast.
• 36:00
  But when you're a pioneer, you have to be able to have the fear of God, love those who
• 36:06
  don't understand you and persecute you.
• 36:08
  Listen, don't argue with them.
• 36:10
  Just love them.
• 36:11
  They're not there yet.
• 36:12
  Knowing that most likely, kind of like Joseph's brothers in the Bible, they thought that they
• 36:18
  killed him.
• 36:19
  They didn't know that he went into slavery.
• 36:21
  But if you get to the end of Genesis, it says, what the enemy meant for bad, the Lord meant
• 36:25
  for good to bring life to many.
• 36:28
  So Joseph was reunited with his family and everybody was saved and prospered by Joseph's
• 36:34
  separation for a time.
• 36:37
  And here's the key is, we're not going to argue with people over whether or not AI is
• 36:42
  good, bad or indifferent.
• 36:43
  We're going to produce good content, use it for the good of the kingdom and for souls.
• 36:48
  And like everything else we do in Curt Landry Ministries, we'll do it with the level of
• 36:53
  excellence that we're capable with, with the resources and the talent that we have, because
• 36:58
  we do our work as unto the Lord.
• 37:01
  I feel really good about this.
• 37:03
  Listen, for those that are listening, and I'm not naive to the counterfeits and all
• 37:08
  the pitfalls in this, but what you have to do is trust God, have the firewalls and do
• 37:15
  what you can do.
• 37:17
  Hire good people like Daryl and Tucker and I got Nathan here and Stefan.
• 37:24
  We just have a great group.
• 37:26
  And here's the thing is, I know for a fact for all of us at House of David, we're a voice.
• 37:32
  We're called to do this.
• 37:34
  And I'm rejoicing with the Lord that, you know what, someday all of us and all the Curt
• 37:41
  Landry Ministry partners in House of David, you're going to meet Jesus.
• 37:47
  And when you do, you want to hear like I want to hear, well done, good and faithful servant.
• 37:55
  And then I really believe because of a visitation I had in heaven one time, I believe he's going
• 38:00
  to introduce you and say, I want you to meet your brothers and sisters that because of
• 38:05
  you they're here.
• 38:09
  And I hope that you see a line that goes all the way out to the horizon and every partner
• 38:16
  that sows a seed into Curt Landry Ministries.
• 38:21
  When someone gives their life to the Lord through this technology and through all the
• 38:24
  things that we do, your name is going to be in that book.
• 38:30
  Powerful.
• 38:32
  That's so good.
• 38:35
  Tucker, from your perspective, looking at just marketing and digital marketing and creative
• 38:44
  marketing, just that whole realm of the internet, to you is using AI to say translate in different
• 39:00
  languages, is that one of the main avenues that you kind of think that we're all heading
• 39:07
  towards in terms of spreading the gospel and utilizing technology?
• 39:13
  Yeah, Darrell, that's a good question.
• 39:17
  I think it's absolutely a strong use case for AI.
• 39:21
  I think that technology exists.
• 39:23
  It's almost a place where I would call perfected.
• 39:27
  And clearly there is value to being able to convert the message, the gospel, to all these
• 39:34
  different languages and then present it not only just as a dub, but presented in rabbis
• 39:39
  like actual tonality and inflection to those people in different languages.
• 39:45
  I think that's super powerful.
• 39:46
  I also think that as having been in AI for a while, it's almost like a smaller use case
• 39:55
  in terms of AI.
• 39:56
  So that sort of segues perfectly into something that's been on my mind a lot lately when we
• 40:01
  talk about AI in the church is, Rabbi, do you feel like there's a threshold or maybe
• 40:09
  a limit to like a line to how much involvement AI, like how much involvement the AI should
• 40:17
  have in the church?
• 40:20
  Is there, even if something is used in a positive way, is there still something that would cross
• 40:26
  a line?
• 40:27
  I want to give you a few examples before you respond.
• 40:30
  So the language translation to me is pretty neutral.
• 40:35
  I feel like that will be well received by most.
• 40:38
  Now there's already a few others out there.
• 40:40
  So a ministry out in, I believe, California has created something called Bible GPT.
• 40:48
  It's a spin off of chat GPT, except it was only trained on different versions of the
• 40:52
  scripture of the Bible.
• 40:54
  And when you ask it a question, it's a chat bot, right?
• 40:57
  You could ask it any question and it responds in accordance with how it's been trained.
• 41:02
  Now, just real quick, LLM, large language model, it's just trained on a vast amount
• 41:08
  of data or a very specific amount of data that you feed to it.
• 41:12
  So this AI platform system has been trained on different versions of the Bible and then
• 41:20
  will respond in accordance.
• 41:22
  Is that, you know, that's one example of how AI is being used or has been brought into
• 41:28
  the church.
• 41:29
  Is it something like that is too far or is that still, if it's being used for good and
• 41:35
  it's spreading the word and helping people devote themselves and rediscover and maybe
• 41:39
  even like dive deeper into what is being said in the Bible, is that still something you
• 41:44
  would consider as a positive for the church?
• 41:47
  Yeah, I think it's positive.
• 41:49
  And I know that in our own experience, like what we're really working on is keeping the
• 41:57
  top of funnel content.
• 42:01
  For me, it has to be our content and it really has to be pretty pure.
• 42:06
  Now, as far as putting the Bible into that content, I have no problem with that.
• 42:13
  And so what they're doing there is they're putting in different translations and things.
• 42:18
  So it would, and I don't know, I'm not familiar with this ministry, but it would have to be
• 42:26
  the proper theological and doctrinal correct translations based off what your ministry stands
• 42:33
  for.
• 42:34
  You know, that's their responsibility.
• 42:35
  It's not mine.
• 42:36
  No, it's not crossing a line for me.
• 42:40
  You know, one of my heart's desires is to do devotionals that are actually with our content
• 42:50
  to where people who are saying, okay, I filled out the goals to grow by, okay, and I have
• 42:59
  written my top three goals and I've also written what I fear.
• 43:04
  Like, let's say I have a fear of failure.
• 43:08
  I have rejection, okay.
• 43:11
  I have an orphan spirit.
• 43:13
  I don't have a high self-worth.
• 43:15
  Okay.
• 43:16
  So the way to deal with those issues is to have a devotional that is actually targeted
• 43:23
  on the weaknesses of your life.
• 43:25
  And if you'll feed on those scriptures and those devotionals, what happens is then you
• 43:30
  spend your devotional time in anointed transforming scriptures and devotional wisdom to how to
• 43:38
  apply it to overcome and transform the fear into faith.
• 43:42
  Okay.
• 43:43
  So I'm just telling you, that's where we're going with it, but that's going to be, so
• 43:48
  to say, content that we're approving of and putting in.
• 43:53
  So I don't want to say, I guess my biggest concern, and we're not going to do this here,
• 44:04
  but for other people, you could get real lazy with AI and say, hey, listen, I want to write
• 44:08
  a book.
• 44:10
  And you can just go and basically have the AI write a book, next thing you know, you're
• 44:14
  sitting there and here's my book.
• 44:18
  I'm not going to do that.
• 44:19
  I understand how it works.
• 44:21
  I mean, I could crank out with all my material.
• 44:23
  Listen, we have 20 years of recorded material here, so thousands of hours of material.
• 44:31
  But the point is, is that I think that's an integrity issue, but I think each person has
• 44:36
  to say that.
• 44:38
  So for me, we're not going there.
• 44:40
  But the personal devotional for people, absolutely.
• 44:44
  Because I understand that you have to face your fear, identify your fear, put scriptures
• 44:49
  that allow you to overcome that fear, and devotionals to know how to apply the wisdom.
• 44:54
  And we're going to do that.
• 44:56
  Podcast at Curtlandry.com, send your questions, just make sure that you put a title on the
• 45:01
  subject line.
• 45:03
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• 45:08
  you want to share that with someone, we'll put the link to that YouTube channel in the
• 45:12
  show notes description of this episode.
• 45:14
  So Rabbi, before we end this discussion, and I'm sure we're going to have many more podcasts
• 45:21
  talking about this.
• 45:23
  But before we get there, let's talk about what this month is.
• 45:27
  It's the month of Shavat.
• 45:29
  And how does that correlate to the discussion right now?
• 45:34
  Okay.
• 45:35
  And you'll enjoy this, Tucker.
• 45:37
  So if you go into, in fact, one of the things I'm bringing into my own personal life is
• 45:43
  bringing the Hebrew month and then the first Friday of the Hebrew month, I'm going to
• 45:48
  be doing teaching on that month.
• 45:50
  And so that people can kind of experience like how their life actually, you can look
• 45:56
  back over 2023 and look at the Hebrew months for each one of them mean, and you can look
• 46:01
  back and say, oh my gosh, my life actually kind of had a similar trending according
• 46:07
  to God's calendar.
• 46:09
  And so, but this month, like we're having this discussion, the month of Shavat, it's
• 46:14
  interesting that you all guys all know the story in the Bible.
• 46:20
  So you have Moses, 40 years in the wilderness, all right?
• 46:23
  He's 40 years in the wilderness.
• 46:25
  And now he's at the month of Shavat.
• 46:29
  What does he do?
• 46:31
  He literally gets 600,000 men.
• 46:36
  He puts them in one place.
• 46:38
  And he, it says in the Talmud and in the Bible, it alludes to, but the Talmud goes into great
• 46:43
  length about that.
• 46:44
  And the Talmud is basically Hebraic rabbinical commentary.
• 46:50
  Okay?
• 46:51
  So, it's not inspired, but it comes from our rabbis that are orthodox and very well
• 46:57
  taught.
• 46:59
  But also in the Bible, we know that this event happened.
• 47:03
  So this is roughly about 30 days before he goes on to go to heaven.
• 47:08
  They're getting ready to go into the promised land.
• 47:10
  So he says, listen, in order for you to go on the promised land, I want to give you some
• 47:15
  oral communication.
• 47:16
  It's called the oral law.
• 47:18
  And what he does is Moses speaks to 600,000 people in 70 different languages.
• 47:24
  And we don't know how he did that.
• 47:26
  But it was so important that basically from the Father's heart, this is what Moses was
• 47:32
  doing.
• 47:33
  Listen, you're going into the promised land.
• 47:35
  I'm not.
• 47:36
  You're going in with Joshua and Caleb, but this is what you need to understand not just
• 47:41
  to get into the land, but how to stay in the land.
• 47:45
  And so, he gave oral communication of the law in 70 different languages.
• 47:51
  So this month, Shavat is kind of like the modern day AI.
• 47:59
  So when all this discussion of us launching Kurt Landry Espanol and Shavat and all these
• 48:04
  conversations, I thought to myself, see, here's another thing that's happening.
• 48:09
  Because you can go through and follow with House of David, Kurt Landry Ministries.
• 48:14
  You can follow the spring feast, and then you can follow the fall feast.
• 48:19
  And you'll learn a lot and grasp a lot of downloads because all of a sudden now God's
• 48:24
  seasons and patterns become your seasons and patterns.
• 48:28
  Create intimacy and understanding with God.
• 48:31
  But if we do it every month, which I'm planning on doing, it was so powerful being at House
• 48:36
  of David talking about Shavat, okay?
• 48:39
  Moses translating, speaking to people in 70 different languages.
• 48:44
  And then at the end of the service, I brought up the video of Kurt Landry Espanol.
• 48:49
  And that's when everybody was looking at like a cow at a new gate.
• 48:54
  All right.
• 48:55
  So that's Shavat.
• 48:58
  We'll link that in the description so you can watch that.
• 49:02
  Tucker, Rabbi, we have made it to the end of this episode.
• 49:06
  Tucker, one thing that we do for people that's made it to the deep end is what I call right
• 49:12
  up towards the very back end is we do something real quick.
• 49:16
  It's just final thoughts.
• 49:18
  We'll start with you.
• 49:19
  What's your final thoughts on this?
• 49:21
  Well, again, I just, I think it's so exciting to see Rabbi, you know, to see you embrace
• 49:29
  this technology and just to be so optimistic and positive about the future and how we can
• 49:33
  really put a positive spin on this to reach new hearts and new minds with the gospel,
• 49:39
  with your message, with our vision for all of humanity, which is of course to really
• 49:45
  canvas the whole world with the message of God and advance his kingdom.
• 49:49
  I think it's such a cool opportunity and a great thing to be a part of.
• 49:54
  So I'm just, I am blessed and very thankful to be a part of this endeavor.
• 49:59
  I think it will be really interesting.
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  Again, I always love to say, I said it earlier, AI is the worst that it will ever be right
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  now.
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  So as we move into the future, I am very excited for the opportunities that will come from
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  this technology and from us embracing this technology.
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  You know, you look at church tech today findings, you know, that 43% are still uncomfortable,
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  you know, using AI in the church and there's a lot of pushback.
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  But I think that with every innovation, with every single piece of technology that has
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  came out, there has been that sort of initial pushback.
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  So I think that together we can work on really educating the church community and ministering
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  to sort of the masses that this can be used for positive and we will work hopefully at
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  the forefront of developing those solutions.
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  So very excited.
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  Thank you guys again for having me here today.
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  I've really enjoyed it.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, thank you, Tucker.
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  Listen, I'm totally in agreement with you.
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  Here's the thing.
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  And this is, I'm speaking to my staff right now.
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  We have to stay humble.
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  We have to understand why we're doing it.
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  We have to understand we're called to do it.
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  Every good and perfect gift comes from Him.
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  We need to do our work as unto the Lord, but we also need not to get offended or have issues
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  with people that disagree what we're doing.
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  And we need to be like Clydesdale, so to say, put the blinders on, keep marching ahead.
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  And some of the fear of this will pass.
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  Listen, there will be bad stuff that happened with it.
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  We live in a fallen world, but let's stay positive, love people.
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  And we just recently put in two water wells with the Elijah List with Steve Schultz, his
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  ministry.
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  We put two wells in, CLM did, and they sent me a video.
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  And here's these little kids and they're playing in the water.
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  They're drinking the water.
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  And it is just so, so special.
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  So what you have to look at as AI is this.
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  Listen, there's technology with satellites now that Elon Musk is doing.
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  And he's already had proof of concept.
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  I don't know how much people know about it.
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  But basically, these satellites are going to allow us to be able to go to those kids
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  at that well with a very simple device.
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  And even though they can't have cell phones, they can have this device and we can bring
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  the gospel of the kingdom to them with those devices.
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  And that's probably about 12 to 24 months out.
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  So we would actually buy the devices, give it to the kids.
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  It's like, here's your water and here's your water in the spirit.
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  So I'm so excited.
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  And I'm excited to see that these little babies that are in Africa and in India and all the
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  different places of the world, that they'll hear the good news and they'll be in heaven
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  with us and not in hell.
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  Tucker, Dane Levy.
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  Hey, Tucker, thanks for taking a little bit of your extremely busy day to join us and
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  be the first guest on the Curt Landry podcast.
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  Yeah, thanks for having me, Daryl.
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  Anytime.
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  Okay, Rabbi, well, this was a good episode.
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  I know we're going to talk about it more as people listen and download, especially this
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  episode to get biblical truth on artificial intelligence.
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  So I'm super excited.
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  Again, anything that we've discussed in this episode, you can just go to the show notes
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  in the description of this episode and we'll have links for that.
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  Rabbi, it was a pleasure.
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  Until next time.
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  Thank you.