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Was This Justice or a Ritual? The Truth vs. Alex Jones | Under the Docs 012 · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: You can clearly see that some of the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: he's doing is kind of as they're implying that he's
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  Speaker 1: doing it for a buck man, He's just trying to
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  Speaker 1: make some money by exploiting a tragedy, and he realizes
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  Speaker 1: that exploiting tragedies is just one of his many money makers.
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  Speaker 2: Under the dogs, Yeah, under the docks, looks under the docks,
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  Speaker 2: under the dukes. Yeah, undon the docks, under the dogs.
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  Speaker 3: This is under the docks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Sean Chris, and I am paranoid American.
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  Speaker 4: The Truth Versus Alex Jones a twenty twenty four film
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  Speaker 4: directed and produced by Dan Reid.
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  Speaker 3: This documentary.
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  Speaker 4: Is guns pointed directly at Alex Jones. It's a and
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  Speaker 4: the I don't want to say the phrase because I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure if we'll get kicked off, but it rhymes.
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  Speaker 1: With let's say just say if we need a bleep,
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  Speaker 1: and we can do that, let's not hold.
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  Speaker 4: Back Sandy Hook, right, the Sandy Hook incident where this
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  Speaker 4: trial they had they followed the trial of suing Alex
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  Speaker 4: Jones and his the defamation lawsuit in civil court.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this one actually is a pretty decent overview of
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  Speaker 1: the entire debacle which kind of swallowed up Alex Jones,
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  Speaker 1: that completely villainized him in so many people's eyes, maybe
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  Speaker 1: even justifiably so, because if you do ever want to
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  Speaker 1: be against Alex Jones, this would be the documentary to
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  Speaker 1: at least put you into that perspective to understand who
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  Speaker 1: could want this guy bankrupt, maybe imprisoned, maybe worse. This
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  Speaker 1: sort of gives you everything that you would need from
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  Speaker 1: that standpoint. And I'm not talking about if you're reptilian
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  Speaker 1: globalist and you just wanted to take them out from
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  Speaker 1: exposing you. But this is how maybe the normies can
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  Speaker 1: be conditioned to look at Alex Jones. And it's an
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  Speaker 1: interesting way to go through and just watch this and
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  Speaker 1: embrace it and like, don't fight it. If you do
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  Speaker 1: decide to watch this, watch it as if these are
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  Speaker 1: your own thoughts, just to see how much you agree
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  Speaker 1: with them. In the end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a character assassination.
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  Speaker 4: It's a burn, a map to stake moment enemy number one.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like he really gets public enemy number one vibes in
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  Speaker 4: this film. Everything's directed at him. They do their best
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  Speaker 4: to make him look bad. But if you come with
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  Speaker 4: a critical mind. There is some things that you can
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  Speaker 4: get from this that I think are important, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Would say this might have taken Alex like half a
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  Speaker 1: notch down in in some regards when because you can
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  Speaker 1: clearly see that some of the stuff that he's doing
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  Speaker 1: is kind of as they're implying, he's doing it for
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  Speaker 1: a buck man, he's just trying to make some money
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  Speaker 1: by exploiting a tragedy, and he realizes that exploiting tragedies
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  Speaker 1: is just one of his many money makers. And I
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  Speaker 1: can't deny that part, right, Like, I understand that part,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we're gonna we're gonna see how far you
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  Speaker 1: can actually bring that to an extreme.
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  Speaker 4: Lotting the course. Now, these claims that kind of separated
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  Speaker 4: that I'm not going to use all of them, but
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  Speaker 4: I have them all over because there's some claims that
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  Speaker 4: they specifically say that Alex made, and then there's claims
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  Speaker 4: that the film is kind of like trying to tell you,
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  Speaker 4: like so one of the films kind of the whole
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  Speaker 4: thesis of it is Sandy Hook was a hoax. How
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  Speaker 4: they show repeatedly of footage of Alex saying it was
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  Speaker 4: a hoax and having other people onto his show or
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  Speaker 4: people part of his network, not necessarily always saying it's
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  Speaker 4: a hoax, but questioning the narrative and telling people this
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  Speaker 4: didn't happen or the story is not real. One of
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  Speaker 4: the things that they like, we know in the conspiratory
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  Speaker 4: Rule that went viral is the parent that went out
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  Speaker 4: there to speak and he's smiling, and that's where everybody
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  Speaker 4: it went viral, and everybody's like, oh, this is not real.
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  Speaker 3: How could you smile after such a tragedy.
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  Speaker 4: And this kind of opens up the door for the
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  Speaker 4: snowball to start rolling on people just to like start
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  Speaker 4: claiming everything's fake.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, This documentary takes the point of view of
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  Speaker 1: basically the prosecutors working against Alex Jones, out of the
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  Speaker 1: people suing Alex Jones. You get their perspective throughout this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, and some of the very specific claims that
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  Speaker 1: they make and by proxy this documentary makes is that
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  Speaker 1: Alex Jones for ten years at least intentionally lied about
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  Speaker 1: Sandy Hook being fake or that it was part of
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  Speaker 1: some government plot. And they even stressed that he was
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  Speaker 1: the first person in the world to claim Sandy Hook
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  Speaker 1: was a false flag and that he saw a direct
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  Speaker 1: spike in sales after making that claim and just continue
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  Speaker 1: to try and ride that wave for ten years. And
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the things that maybe I didn't
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the context of that a lot of these and
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  Speaker 1: like the parent interviews, they're like, Yeah, this happened ten
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  Speaker 1: years ago, and we're still dealing with it now. Ten
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  Speaker 1: years later. The exact same claims are just being made
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them had kind of hit their breaking points.
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  Speaker 4: Another thing that they kind of not necessarily acclaim, but
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  Speaker 4: they kind of go into it, kind of piggybacks off
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  Speaker 4: that is this was the introduction of crisis actors, where
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  Speaker 4: prior to this, you know, a false flag may have
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  Speaker 4: been like government knowledge or some you know, an inside
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  Speaker 4: job or some kind of formula, but not actual.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we got actors.
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  Speaker 4: They all worked there, they're all in on it, and
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  Speaker 4: that kind of pushed the narrative to something different. And
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  Speaker 4: I thought it, like you said, they kind of paint
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  Speaker 4: the prosecutors as these heroes that are like defeating this
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  Speaker 4: misinformation machine, and crisis actors is kind of like in
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  Speaker 4: the hoax, are there two huge like oh, we got
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  Speaker 4: a moment's right, like, see, he said, this is fake.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna prove that his child really existed. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: prove that, Hey, this guy wasn't crying.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, wasn't just smiling for the fun of it,
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  Speaker 4: but he was actually emotionally distressed. And one thing I
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  Speaker 4: will say is for me personally, I've always thought that
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  Speaker 4: that was bogus where people were showing that footage of
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  Speaker 4: the dude smiling and they were like, oh man, how
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  Speaker 4: could you smile like that? You know after a serious event. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I known for a fact that my sister worked at
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  Speaker 4: a gas station. She was robbed by gunpoint and she
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  Speaker 4: was laughing the whole time. So people in uncomfortable situations
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  Speaker 4: and when they're nervous can have different tells, and sometimes
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  Speaker 4: the conspiratorial community runs with things right.
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  Speaker 1: And this is probably something I can relate to as well.
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  Speaker 1: I got long story short that I won't tell here,
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  Speaker 1: but I got thrown off the back of a car
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  Speaker 1: going like a little over forty miles an hour when
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  Speaker 1: I was much younger, and I had to go to
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  Speaker 1: the er because I lost like all of the skin
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  Speaker 1: on on the entire side of my body, and the
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  Speaker 1: entire time I'm like telling jokes and I'm laughing, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just because that adrenaline rush hits everyone a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. You deal with tragedy and trauma in different ways,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes smiling and laughing and making jokes out of
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  Speaker 1: a very serious situation is the only way that you
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  Speaker 1: can figure out how to get by in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like you get to sit down and plan, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what are my emotions going to be? Sometimes they just occur.
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  Speaker 1: So that's one of the big claims in this movie
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  Speaker 1: is that they're showing that the claim of the Alex
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  Speaker 1: Jones crowd is that clearly this dad is an actor.
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  Speaker 1: He's a trained actor, because you can almost see the
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  Speaker 1: moment when he snaps from we're laughing, we're kidding, we're joking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now it's time to cry. And they also show over
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  Speaker 1: ten years of footage how Alex not only develops this
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more, but he turns into a hyperbole
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  Speaker 1: where now he's crying and he's like doing this whole
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  Speaker 1: bombastic like theatrical presentation of him mocking this dad again
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  Speaker 1: like ten years in the future. And another one of
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  Speaker 1: the claims, I think one of the ones that showed
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  Speaker 1: a little chink in the armor here is there's a
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  Speaker 1: very particular case in which Alex Jones, right when he
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  Speaker 1: starts bringing out his supplements, that he's claiming that there's
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  Speaker 1: the largest or the highest rise of radiation levels on
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  Speaker 1: the West Coast ever because of all sorts of things
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  Speaker 1: happening across the ocean, and that he sends his own
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  Speaker 1: reporters there with little Geiger counters to measure exactly how
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  Speaker 1: much radiation is there, and they're actually showing very low levels.
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  Speaker 1: They're showing levels that are the exact opposite of what
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  Speaker 1: Alex Jones is trying to say on air. And they
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  Speaker 1: have an interview with one of his previous news guys
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  Speaker 1: and he's telling us, Yeah, Alex has pissed at us
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  Speaker 1: because he wants, like the implication was that he wants
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  Speaker 1: us to lie and say that the West Coast has
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  Speaker 1: these high radiation levels so then he can go back
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  Speaker 1: onto his show and say, stee, I told you so.
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  Speaker 1: Yet again, Alex Jones is right by these supplements, these
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  Speaker 1: will protect you from these horrible radiation levels, and by
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  Speaker 1: reporting that the radiation levels were actually low, it destroys
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  Speaker 1: his credibility and it destroys his ability to sell these supplements.
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  Speaker 1: And that was one of these key points that I
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  Speaker 1: think it was trying to make, because then it's saying, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now extrapolate that same mentality of let's lie about something,
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  Speaker 1: let's get people like poke them in the fear porn
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  Speaker 1: button so that they'll buy stuff and they'll watch more
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  Speaker 1: of me, and that he just simply applied that exact
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  Speaker 1: same model to Sandy Hook.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, basically one of the huge claims, and like they're
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  Speaker 4: they're like, gotcha moment is hey, look at this spike
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  Speaker 4: that happened right after you mentioned some Sandy Hook information
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  Speaker 4: and your sales went through the roof. And they're kind
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  Speaker 4: of just like, you're lying intentionally so that you can
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  Speaker 4: make more money. That's like their main argument, and that's
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  Speaker 4: how they try to vilify him, to be like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: he's a villain. He's just trying to make money off
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  Speaker 4: a tragedy. And one thing I will say some that
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  Speaker 4: kind of got me is where I'm like, well, isn't
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  Speaker 4: that what all news does.
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  Speaker 1: I made? Yeah, he's not a to do that. Only
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  Speaker 1: we do that.
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  Speaker 4: Because he's questioned in a different sense. But how many
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  Speaker 4: times are. They're like, hey, this is the Sandy Hook Special, right,
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna have all the parents on again. We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: go through the tragedy and all of that. That leads
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  Speaker 4: me into one of the other claims that make big
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  Speaker 4: time for the parents at this emotional and psychological trauma
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  Speaker 4: that's been caused, which, hey, I have grace for them.
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  Speaker 4: I understand they've lost children in a crazy event that
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  Speaker 4: maybe they don't quite fully understand. But this whole like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm suffering from this trauma because someone listened to an
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  Speaker 4: Alex Jones show and now they're harassing me. I just
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  Speaker 4: don't connect it with Alex Jones. I'm like, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 4: maybe he is not great for making money and profits
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  Speaker 4: off a tragedy, but it's not his fault that you're
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  Speaker 4: suffering this trauma.
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  Speaker 3: Don't watch him and block the people that are harassing you.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen this same thing happened too. There was a
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  Speaker 1: group of three teens I think in the nineties that
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  Speaker 1: killed someone in the woods and Metallic got blamed on that.
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  Speaker 1: And then there were similar ones where like Marilyn Manson
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  Speaker 1: would get blamed because they'd see quotes to his lyrics
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  Speaker 1: and like crime scenes, and it feels like an extension
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  Speaker 1: of that. But in this case, somehow Alex Jones is
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  Speaker 1: even more polarizing than Marilyn Manson was to like the
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  Speaker 1: Christian Bible thumpers in the nineties. Somehow Alex Jones has
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  Speaker 1: become more demonic than even him. So you kind of
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  Speaker 1: get some of those claims that they're kind of making.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I kind of agree with
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  Speaker 1: the parents and that he kept this up for so long,
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  Speaker 1: for ten years he's bringing this up, but again, that's
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  Speaker 1: just him doing exactly what the rest of the media does.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the claims that Alex Jones makes in
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  Speaker 1: this which I kind of resonated with, and it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to set my entire bias aside on this one, but
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  Speaker 1: he says that the Prosss convinced all these parents that
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  Speaker 1: all of the pain and suffering that they're going through
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  Speaker 1: for the last ten years, and every time they wake
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  Speaker 1: up and every time they think about their kids, all
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  Speaker 1: that pain is coming directly from Alex Jones, and that somehow,
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  Speaker 1: if you punish Alex Jones enough, all that pain goes away.
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  Speaker 1: And I kind of relate to them doing that to
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  Speaker 1: these parents because at a certain point, it's like they're
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  Speaker 1: going through this trauma and this tragedy regardless of who's
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  Speaker 1: reporting on it. It probably doesn't feel great though, to
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  Speaker 1: then have a bunch of people on Facebook calling your
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  Speaker 1: kid fake or calling them a whore, or like the
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  Speaker 1: most egregious things you can imagine someone saying on the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: saying about your dead child, that you're still having gotten
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  Speaker 1: over your own grief for it just adds an extra
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  Speaker 1: bit on top that most people would never have to
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  Speaker 1: even come across that sort of a dynamic in their
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  Speaker 1: entire life, And I would say Alex Jones did facilitate
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of extra pain and suffering. I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the fence over whether or not there's like a litigious
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  Speaker 1: like consequence that needs to be enacted because of that.
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  Speaker 1: Other than collectively saying, I think that Alex Jones is
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  Speaker 1: kind of a dick for what he did about this
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  Speaker 1: Sandy Hook thing. Like absolutely, I feel that he was
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  Speaker 1: off base, and I also feel that he understood at
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  Speaker 1: a certain point that he was wrong, that it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just a holographic false flag, and none of the kids
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  Speaker 1: wherever real and all of this, like even one of
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  Speaker 1: the moms at one point is like, so you just
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  Speaker 1: get this straight. You're a town of twenty eight thousand
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  Speaker 1: people for ten years, all kept up this facade under
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  Speaker 1: whose budget? And you know, like over the course of
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  Speaker 1: different political parties in and out of office, that part
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  Speaker 1: of it does seem far fetched enough to be like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you still continuing this ten years later?
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  Speaker 4: And that takes me into why one of my last
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  Speaker 4: claims was more. Key point that they hammer home, especially
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  Speaker 4: towards the end of life, is the implication on public disclosure. Right,
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  Speaker 4: they hammer home like, you got to believe the institutions,
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  Speaker 4: you gotta believe the legacy media, Like they paint this
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  Speaker 4: picture that there's so many fringe people like Alex Jones
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  Speaker 4: that look at how he got this wrong and look
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  Speaker 4: at the torment he put onto these people. So you
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  Speaker 4: questioning anything the authority says or the establishment says, is
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  Speaker 4: you're Alex Jones and you're a dick too.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's how I kind of that's what I took
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  Speaker 3: from it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so they make a very specific claim at the
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  Speaker 1: very end of this movie talking about the damage that
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  Speaker 1: he did, and they have a statistic and they said
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  Speaker 1: that twenty four percent of the country when polled, said
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  Speaker 1: that they believe Sandy Hook was either staged or possibly staged.
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  Speaker 1: That is one in four people, which blew my mind
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  Speaker 1: a little bit that that actually got to that level.
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  Speaker 1: And I've seen the same leverages made against QAnon and
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  Speaker 1: some like the Adrena Chrome claims of today that you know,
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point, once the media and once the
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  Speaker 1: government they realize how much of the public is being
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  Speaker 1: influenced by some of these claims, they decide to act
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  Speaker 1: in these very drastic ways, like they have to actually
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  Speaker 1: make a point of it to either scare you away
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  Speaker 1: from questioning it this much, or to just I guess,
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  Speaker 1: re establish credit in the normal mainstream media that they've
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  Speaker 1: got a little bit more control over. And yes, my
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  Speaker 1: bias is showing a little bit in this, but I
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  Speaker 1: also noticed, you know what they did not show at
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  Speaker 1: all in this entire documentary. They didn't show Alex Jones
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  Speaker 1: being prophetic about police State two thousand. They didn't show
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  Speaker 1: him breaking into Bohemian Grove, and some of what used
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  Speaker 1: to be considered these crazy wackadoo claims end up being true.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's been proven right enough times that now when
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  Speaker 1: he makes these claims when they say, oh, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way that you didn't know that this wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Alex Jones also makes a few claims
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  Speaker 1: in here, like he lost touch with reality, that he
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  Speaker 1: got into places where he didn't think anything was real anymore,
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  Speaker 1: and that he thought his own friends and his family
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  Speaker 1: maybe they were spying on him or they were in
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  Speaker 1: on it. Like he actually starts to disclose some of
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  Speaker 1: these paranoid facets that I assume you'd have to get
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  Speaker 1: into if you get rise to the level of Alex
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  Speaker 1: Jones and live in this Alex Jones world. And he
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  Speaker 1: kind of says, like, when so much of the government
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  Speaker 1: is lies, my default is to think that it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: Like anytime any tragedy happens, his emission default is like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is a false flag. Now let's work it from there.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I can kind of see that,
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  Speaker 1: like Alex Jones would not be the guy he is
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't start with that premise. But now we're
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  Speaker 1: learning that you don't say that part out loud.
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  Speaker 4: Hidden treasures and overboard moments. For me, the main hidden
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  Speaker 4: treasure for this was the humans side of Alex Jones.
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  Speaker 4: I think we got more in depth of who Alex
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  Speaker 4: Jones really is.
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  Speaker 3: Like I know, there's you're seeing the character.
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  Speaker 4: They show some of it where he's on his Info
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  Speaker 4: Wars or if he's in front of the cameras, but
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  Speaker 4: you got to see the compassion compassionate human he really
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  Speaker 4: is and that he is a character.
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  Speaker 3: So they don't really discuss this in the film.
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  Speaker 4: And this is coming for me watching Alex Jones a
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  Speaker 4: huge portion of my life, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I could couldn't deny how much influence he had on
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  Speaker 4: me because he had so much stuff like you said
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  Speaker 4: the Police stayed.
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  Speaker 3: Bohemian Grove and even like when you know the Builderberg
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  Speaker 3: group when he goes into their end games. There's so
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  Speaker 3: many great documentaries and information that he has that is solid.
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  Speaker 3: There's plenty of things more that we can point to. Hey,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Alex Jones is telling the truth or was right on
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: than he was wrong gone. Now maybe I'm with you.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I think he made a major mistake.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: In running with this narrative, but it humanized it for
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: me when he was confessing, not only apologizing. And they
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: have a moment where one of the parents comes over
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: and sees that he has like something with his larynx.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I think he tore it or something like that.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: And she gives him a cough drop and some water
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and he's trying to talk to her and he's just
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: really being compassionate. You could tell that he's like, I know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: like I'm a dick, like I'm just trying to make money,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: and I wasn't, like he didn't really understand the impact
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: it was having all these people, and he actually saw.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: But then the lawyers, which I personally, the lawyers and
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the judge, they make me so mad during this whole
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: film that I'll get to that a little bit. But
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: he comes and cuts him off, we're not doing this,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: we're not doing this. When he actually had a good
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: compassionate moment where they could actually have dialogue and they
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: could have had some understanding. The cocky lawyers that who
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: really took this case for their own bravado and peacockying
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: kind of interfered. But I thought we got a inside
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of Alex Jones, the real Alex Jones, and that he
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: is more of a part fill person and people might think,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: and I don't think they intended that in the film,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: But since I've watched a lot of Alex Jones interviews
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: and stuff through times.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I kind of saw that in it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: There might be a little of your bias seeping into that,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: because I can also tell I had a similar one
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: where some of the treasures here, as you get a
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: little bit of a background on Alex joone, they show
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven footage of him doing his public access channel,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like stabbing a jack o' lantern on Halloween and like dude,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and they show very specific clips of him because they're
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: crafting a very obvious narrative, and some of those clips
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: are him also shouting about nine to eleven being an
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: inside job. And I understand that the context in this
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: documentary is that, look at him profiting off of a tragedy.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Look at him just firing off at the hip, saying, oh,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it's a false flag and the government up again, like
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the tinfoil hat that is planted firmly on my head.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I also believe nine to eleven was an inside job.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So when they show that part, it's like, man, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: if he's right about some of these things that everyone
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was like, no way that that can't be right. That's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: just conspiracy theory. Drivel. Now, it almost softens the blow.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And even if he's way wrong, even if he's just
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: capitalizing on something, he kind of gets, I don't know
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: how to say this in a better way, he kind
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of gets a pass to exploit tragedy because of how
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: often he did it for the right reasons versus this time,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: clearly it seemed like it was for the wrong reasons.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And that was also like one of the hidden treasures
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: for me, is is very non sympathetic to Alex Jones.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And it was that part where they interview his past
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: coworkers and they're basically telling the camera about the way
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that it would work for Alex Jones. And that's that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: if he was hot on a certain story, all he
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: wanted from you were things that were confirming his story,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and then if you found something that went against that
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: or kind of took the wind out of the sales,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that he would get angry at you. And that over
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: time you learn like, oh, he just wanted to be
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: reinforced with whatever thing that he's chasing. That part and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: also that when he was doing his regular daily info
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: war show, that there was no prep, there was no Okay,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: here's the agenda for today, it was just Alex sits
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: down in a seat, the camera turns on and he's on,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and someone hands him a stack of papers with headlines
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and he just reads them and he just goes off
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the cuff again better or worse, because now he pulls
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: up some false flag story and he'll just read the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: headline and then pontificate about it as if he had
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: done all this research and he's got all this information,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and really, you see, it's just a headline. And then
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: it's just him playing this WWE character to kind of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like get you riled up over this headline. So so
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: far removed from Police State two thousand, where he's the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: one on the ground, he's the one getting an interview,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and if anyone's being provocative, it's him provoking the police
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that he is interviewing, as opposed to him talking directly
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to this viewer. So far removed from the actual I
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: guess like journalism that's occurring. So it kind of does
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: let you see how far I guess he had fallen
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: from his kind of peak performance in the late nineties.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: And for me, the Overboard moments is one the emotional
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: manipulation throughout the film, like the first twenty minutes is
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: really just like setting the tone of like, so you
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: can hate Alex Jones. They go through the whole Sandy
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Hook timeline of what happened.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: What you know the parent, I was just taking him
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: to school and like I knew I shouldn't have took
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: him that day. Like where they're storyboarding it to where you're.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: About to be like, oh, I'm about to hate Alex
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: because since we already know the outcome, You're like, oh,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: they're preparing you to really hate him because they're laying
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: it on thick with the emotional manipulation. My other part
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: is that this is a trial and these parents are
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: trying to prove that Alex Jones is telling one that
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: he's purposely telling lies, which he says that he believed it,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, how is he lying if he truly
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: believed it, right, he can be wrong. That's why I
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: hate when people say, oh, it's a false claim. No,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: it was a claim. Now you might not agree with
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: the claim, but it's not a false claim. There's no
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: such thing as a false claim. It's just a claim
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: that is made. You're adding the false part to like
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: kind of get people on your side, and the other
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: part that really got to me is like where are
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: you proving you didn't disprove anything that he said, like
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: besides like oh yeah that was really my son, where
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: was more information that you could prove like, hey, look
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: he was wrong about this, this actually happened.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: They really didn't try to be transparent with us, which
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: is the problem, like you mentioned earlier, is he's like, hey,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the government lies to us all the time. Why wouldn't
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: they be lying to us again?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Now I am under the thing too, is that I
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: think Alex Jones kind of took it way too far
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: for ten years of like really hammering home, but it
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: really misses for me where you're like, hey, we're trying
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to prove this guy wrong, but we're not going to
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: show you any information to prove that he was wrong
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: other than hey, here's this parent believe their story.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I got a little bit of a different take on
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that particular part of this because there are a couple
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: claims that they juxtapose. Here's Alex making the claim, and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: now here are the parents or the prosecution responding to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that claim, which, again, like the editing is like they
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: decide to show certain clips and then they can explain
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it but it makes for great points in this documentary's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: point of view. For example, one of the things that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Alex Jones kept harping on about is this ninety nine
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: point nine percent kill rate, and he was basically saying,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know, even the most trained military professional assassin sniper
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the same kill rate, the same you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: percentage of bullet shot or like the number of survivors
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: versus this one school shooting. And then they clipped to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: one of the parents kind of explaining this, and it's like, yeah, well,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: when you stick like fifteen kids in a tiny little
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: bathroom and you're just shooting them at point blank range
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: with a rifle, yeah, you're probably gonna have a ninety
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: nine point nine percent kill ray. It is you don't
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: have to be a marksman in order to like, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: massacre twelve kids that are locked inside of a small
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: little room, a room that was so small that they
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: claimed that when they went in to investigate after the shooting,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: they thought there were just bodies piled up in a corner.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't even realize they were in a bathroom because
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it was completely filled. So that was one and then
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the other one too, that they were harping on of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that it was this false flag operation and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: no one actually died, because where were the trauma helicopters?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: How Come they didn't have helicopters coming in and bringing
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: people out to the hospitals, And you know, if there
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: were children hurt, why wouldn't you pull out all the stops?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And then they go back to one of the responses
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and like, you don't send in trauma helicopters for dead bodies,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Like if you know for a fact that this person
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: not survive, there's no reason to load them onto a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: helicopter and then bring them to a hospital just for
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: them to be cleared dead a second time in a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: different location. So some of the things that Alex Jones
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: for ten years was very very harsh and harping on
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: over and over. They had very reasonable explanations, So I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: in some of those cases, although the same overboard moment
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: for me was the one that you mentioned, is the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: very obvious emotional manipulation where before we even get into
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: any of the Alex Jones stuff, here's twenty minutes of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: very hard to watch footage of parents crying about I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have sent my head and he was like, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: would have sent my kid to school, except they were
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: making gingers that day, and man, I think every day,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: what if I had just told them forget the gingerbread house,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'd have my kid here with me and we'd be,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you know, hugging, and he'd be this old and he
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: was my best friend. And that was legitimately hard to watch.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Not in a bad way, like oh, what a horrible documentary,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: but man, it's just it's heart wrenching to see these
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: parents and then they immediately will clip to some Alex
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Jones shouting about nine to eleven. So even if you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be emotionally manipulative, which I think you can and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: should do in documentaries, they didn't do it with enough
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: grace that it wasn't jarring to me because maybe I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was looking out for it, but it just felt like, oh, man,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: they're really gonna take twenty minutes of these like four
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: or five parents just crying and talking about their kids,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and now we're just gonna emotionally dump that onto the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: next segment about Alex Jones. I mean, obviously that's what
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the documentary was, but it lacked any sort of objectivity
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in that case. This was not a make up your
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: own mind. This was here's how the story goes, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: here's why you should believe that everything turned out this ways.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: In the waters with a deep dive. For me, the
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: deep dive I kind of went into.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: One part that really upset me was like with the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: lawyers and the judge, which they seemed super biased. It
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: seemed like, like I said earlier, peacockying that people were
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: trying to make a name for themselves.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Is the default judgment? Right? I thought that that really
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: upset me, and I thought, what is the default judgment?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: And they talk about it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: When I googled it, it says a default a defendant
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: fails to file an answer to a complaint within a
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: required time, a defendant fails to appear in court for
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: a scheduled hearing. A defendant fails to respond on a
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: summons or complaint. I kept looking for more of it,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: and they said because he didn't comply with discovery, which.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't. I don't know.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: And again, some of this is my bias shining through, right,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Like I it's hard because I really tried to be unbiased,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: but man, I hated that judge and.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Those lawyers so much.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Man, they made me so angry, so I felt like
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: it she just felt like a mockery trial, like if
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: they were just trying to make an example, And through
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: the whole film, I felt that they were just trying
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: to be like, hey, don't question things. Yes, Alex was
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: completely wrong, I disagree with his approach to it, but
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: it just felt like they were just trying to set
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: precedent so that in future, like me and you can
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: have a conversation about some alchemy stuff, right or nine
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: to eleven or Oklahoma City bombing. It just felt like
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: they were trying to shut the door on questioning legacy
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: media and the establishment narrative. And that default sentencing really
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: did not sit well with me, especially from when I
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: read again.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not a lawlor a scholar in law, but I
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: didn't find anything that proved that it should have been
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: a default hearing well.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: The way that they do a horrible job of explaining
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it in this documentary. But one of the reasons for
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the default is because he was refusing to turn over
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: his text messages. In particular, they would ask him, hey,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you know, if you search your text messages, is there
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: anything there about Sandy Hook and he's like, oh, no,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I searched and I didn't find it. But then the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: lawyer phrases it, oh, so you're saying that there is none,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and Alex Jones is kind of agreeing. But I guess
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: in a subjective way, it's there's a difference between looking,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: finding it and then lying about finding it versus looking
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and not finding it and saying, hey, I didn't find
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: any versus it's not on this phone. And then the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: lawyers get their hands on Alex Jones's actual text messages
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and they find all of the things that he claimed
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that he was unable to find on his own, and
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: they don't really show this version of the edit. I
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: don't even know if Alex Jones even made this case,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: but it would almost be like if you got your
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: grandpa's phone and he's got a million text messages on it,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, grandpa, can you search your text
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: messages and let me know if this particular topic ever
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: came up? And he comes back and he's like, I searched,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: but I didn't find anything. That doesn't necessarily mean it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: not on there. It just means that grandpa doesn't know
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: how to search through a million different messages on his phone.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And then again, this is not the case that Alex
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Jones presents anywhere in this but the way that they
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: asked a question and then the way that they make
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: it seem as though he was intentionally lying about it,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I personally don't find that hard to believe. I actually
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: believe that he probably did know that there were messages
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on his phone about this thing that since they didn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: originally have his his text messages, then they couldn't have
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: known about it unless he kind of incriminated himself in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a way. So that was the reason I believe for
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the default judgment was that particular dynamic maybe times one hundred,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: because there's probably a whole bunch of different instances in
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: which they ask him to turnover some sort of information
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: discovery and he pussy foots around a little bit. He
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: kind of plays dumb. The same way if you go
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: back to the Police State two thousand, where he's interviewing
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a cop and he's like, what do you know about
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the snipers on the roof, And the guy's like, I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: don't know about no snipers on a roof, and they're
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: literally showing you footage of snipers on the roof. This
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is Alex Jones doing that exact same thing now where
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, Alex, how about these text messages about
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Sandy what tooks? I never said a text message about
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: so I think that that was part of the reason
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: for the default. And another important aspect of this documentary
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: is that it doesn't really cover the court case leading
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: up to that default judgment. What it does is it
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: follows the court case of after that default judgment happens.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Now the only reason he's even in court is just
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to see how much money he now owes for losing
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: his day in court because he defaulted on it. Right,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's the same like if you default on your loans.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It's like if you just don't pay your loans for
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: long enough, they default. Now the guy, the repo man
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: comes and takes your stuff. It's literally what this case is.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: We're seeing the repo man show up and take all
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of Alex Jones's.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Stuff ripples and waves historical and cultural impact. I mean,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: it's crazy. It's almost I think for our side, it's
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: like taking down a hero, right, Like it was like, damn,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: they're trying to take him down, you know what I mean,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Like you're You're trying to push him off that pedestal,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: and it's almost like, hey, you got this wrong, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: you were you were wrong about this for ten years.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Everything that you ever came out with is now wrong,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: and you're no longer the.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You're the face of misinformation and disinformation.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: They used that in the film quite a bit, those
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: two terms, and it you know, it kind of was
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: like for me, like I understood, like cause I disagreed
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: always on what Alex's stance was. I'm not gonna explain
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: thoroughly extent my stance on what I think Sandy Hook
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: was or or it wasn't, but I've disagreed with him,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: and I just could see think that Alex got lost
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: in the character Alex Jones, right, Like he at this
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: point was a huge mega independent artists pretty much, He's
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: like the Tech nine of conspiracy world, where he kind
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: of made his own platform from nothing, like nobody was
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: creating for you know, avenues for him. He wasn't getting
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: on local TV. Like he was just this huge figure
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: that got so polarized. And I think just knowing a
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: little about him, you know, his alcoholic history and stuff
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: like that, I think that played a part in his
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: sensationalism over this incident and that he would just kind
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: of go off the cuff and just play this character
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: and maybe for better or worse, you know, staying the
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: wrong things and leading people down the wrong path. But
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: he's just at that point was like, Hey, I have
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: this business to run and this works and people are
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: coming to you, and like, hey, look every time you
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: talk about this, we're getting a spike.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's business. So I can see it
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: from all angles.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I feel sympathy for the parents and stuff, but really
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: the social fact of this was to me to really
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: put those words misinformation and disinformation, which they kind of
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: concluded as if it's not part of the mainstream narrative.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like the documentary itself maybe doesn't have any
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: really ripples and waves on its own. Like it you're
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: if you're anti Alex Jones and you watch it, you're
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: still gonna be anti. If you're pro Alex Jones and
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you watch it, maybe you'll get a little extra nuance,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: but it's not changing your entire mind about the entire thing.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: The ripples and waves are really that this was a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: monumental court case because and they're not trans there they
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: are very transparent about this that the end result of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: this was to set a new precedent. This is like
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the new world order of media, that this is going
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to set the new landscape for how information gets portrayed.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And they're saying, like, let's punitively damage this guy in
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: such a way that he can't just go off the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: cuff anymore, because part of Alex Jones doing this for
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: ten years, whether he knew it or not and exploiting
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: this was just because you can like, no, like, what
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: are they going to sue me? No one's ever been
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: sued for just making stuff up before. I'm allowed to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: just make stuff up? And this kind of unequivocally shows
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like no, I guess you can't. This is this change
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that dynamic. So now someone can't be like what are
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: they going to do? Sue me? Now you can be like, bro,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you ever see what happened to Alex Jones? Like that
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: sets the example of the like the extreme if you
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: take it to such a distant extreme, here's what can happen.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Here's the example being made of Alex Jones. And I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: have to say too, it does hurt his credibility, Like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: if if you hadn't heard of Alex Jones until Sandy Hook,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and then you go when you watch this documentary, you
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: just look into the whole debacle of ten years of
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Sandy Hook and how it affected Alex Jones. Now, you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: might not care about Police Date two thousand or care
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: about him infiltrating Bohemian Grove, because he does come across
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: as an absolute fear pushing griff that is just literally
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: lying to you and selling you supplements, which is on
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: like the tail end of his character arc. I think, right,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: But it does, and it's Alex Jones doing it. It's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: not the documentary doing it. It's Alex Jones destroying his
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: own credibility in such a in an irrecoverable way that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it's kind of fascinating to just see that in context
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: from the other side.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: About that time, man, Spink or Swim moment? What you got?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Man? This one is really really hard. I actually I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: haven't even come up with a good answer for Sink
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: or Swim. I'll have to say SYNC only because it
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: didn't really present anything new. It was very emotionally charged.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But in all the other documentaries, the ones that I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: tend to rate high, it's when they reveal some new,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: mind blowing information that I just didn't get before and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: is going to change the way that I kind of
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: perceived the world. This one didn't really do that. Like
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I absolutely feel for the parents, I agree wreath Alex
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Jones likely profited off of trauma and this tragic experience
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: for all these people involved, and probably even did it knowingly.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: He kind of like fanned these flames because he didn't
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: think it was illegal to do so, he didn't think
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that there was going to be a ramification for it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So I get the point of view, but it's not
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the documentary that did that to me. It's just being
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: a regular human being. I guess that does believe some
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of the mainstream media narrative, for example, that Sandy Hook
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was not all holograms or a ten year crisis act
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: play in the process. So I kind of believe the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: regular consensus, objective reality of this and that this absolutely
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: kind of damaged his credibility. So overall, a sink for
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: the documentary itself, But I don't necessarily disagree with a
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: whole lot of the claims that get brought up because
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: this is just a regular court case.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: It's a sink for me as well, A lot of
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: it had to do because I too had compassion for
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: the parents. I understood why they would be upset. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I've seen people and I know people that like, well,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: say everything's a hoax, or everything's holograms, or everything's crisis actors,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: And I really always despised that narrative because I like, hey,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: show me some kind of evidence. You can have speculation,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: you could speculate, but when people speak in absolutes of
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: like this absolutely happened. But the reason it's a sync
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: for me is the prosecutors are just as bad man,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Like they're just sensationalizing it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: There's some show voting shot like.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, we're gonna get him, We're gonna nail him to
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the cross, Like they're not trying to really do anything
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: except make a name for themselves. Even the judge she
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: kind of just like keeps interjecting and there's no nuance
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: to it. It's just like, oh, you either believe the
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: mainstream narrative or you believe this crazy conspiracy that it
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: was a hoax. When there's like this nuance, right, there's
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: this middle ground that they don't want you to even explore,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: and they almost push you to the brink of, like
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: you said, you're either a conspiracy person that believes that
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: the narrative is different, or you're just a regular person,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: a good person, and you believe the narrative we're telling you.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: When I don't necessarily believe either narrative.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I'm more in the middle, and I have my own
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: thoughts on it, and they kind of feel like they're
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: trying to push people like me out of that to question, like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: don't question us. This is what happened. That's it. It's
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: kind of like the nine to eleven Commission report right
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: here you go. I know you don't like it, but
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: that's what it is. And even though I think Alex
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: was wrong and he was way overboard, and I think
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: he was financially motivated and he thought that he couldn't
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: get in trouble for this, I still think it's a
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: sync because the prosecutors really really did a horrible job,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: and you can tell their bias, and it almost felt like, oh,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: they're doing this case for publicity, right, They're they're now
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: going to be a top law firm that we took
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: down Alex Jones and we got them paid so we
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: could get you paid me too, Like that's the kind
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: of feeled cheesy lawyer thing that I felt of it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta know, the second of that Judge
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: walks into the courtroom, you're like, oh my god, this
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: is not gonna go well for Alex Jones. Like she's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: got a full mustache, she's got the turquoise earrings on.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not I'm not saying, like judge a book
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: by its cover, But the second she walks in, you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: know that this is not gonna go Alex's way. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and again just to stress this fact that the prosecutor
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in the footage we see in this documentary there, they've
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: already found Alex Jones guilty of all of this. So
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: all of the court proceedings and the parents crying and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: all these claims are just how much money are they
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: gonna get out of him for punitive damages? So it's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: it's already a settled fact that he lied, uh and
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: he you know, he was actually culpable for all of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: these different you know, issues that he put these parents through.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Now it's just how much money does he have to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: pay up for it? So of course all that grandstanding
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and all of like the bias, because they've already won
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like how you would have to be you'd have to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: be biased if you're acting as prosecutor knowing that you've
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: already won your case and now you're just pleading as
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to like how much of your case did you win?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Of course you're going to be sniffing your own farts
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: through the whole entire process.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: And one point I wanted to bring up too that
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I forgot to mention about the film and we were
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: talking about when he kind of like Bates alex In
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: saying like, oh, you didn't give us the text messages,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: but we got him from your lawyer, and he did on.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Accident and sent it to us.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: If you look at the lawyer's body language, he looks
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: at him like, no, I gave those two. So I
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: don't know how much fun like if how much was
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: true of what they were saying, but I think it
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: was so sensationalized, and they made it about them. The
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: lawyers made it about them instead of actually like, hey,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: this is what happened. We're trying to expose what really happened. No,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: you didn't care. They just wanted to make him look
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: like a fool in any aspect they could get well.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And also this is kind of tell. But at the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: end they interview Alex Jones's lawyer and they're like, well,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: how do you think the core case went? And he
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: kind of says like, obviously, you know what, we weren't
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: happy to have lost, but it's a manageable number and
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: it was just like damn bro So even after all
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: of this, the lawyer is basically saying like, oh, we
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: were actually planning for this to go even worse than
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it already did, despite everything that you've just seen. So
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the lesson was learned. And I
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: guess proof is in the pudding, right, Like Alex Jones
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: still has a platform. He might have been blacklisted off
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: of almost every other big social media platform, but he
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: still has his website. It's still operating. They actually note
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that in the final credits of this documentary. It's like
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's Alex Jones is still at large today. He's out
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: there peddling this garbage in the world right this very second.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: They kind of make that point.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: On the horizon, what do we got up next?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: We're gonna watch one of the best documentarians in all
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of human history. Nothing but just pure fire, straight objective facts,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: no more bias. We're getting beyond all the bias and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: we're going directly to Michael Moore.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: People are gonna love it. Hey, what better way from
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: going to Alex Jones to Michael Moore. Right, that's like
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: almost the opposite side of the spectrums when you're looking
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: at like politically wise.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna get a nice, like rounded
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: view on the different takes of I guess political documentaries
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: being injected into pop culture from two very opposing viewpoints
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: on this one.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I agree. Well, I think it's about that time.
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