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What's Your Hospitality Personality Style? | a conversation with author Morgan Tyree · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do you love opening your home to others?
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Or does the thought of hosting a get together make your palms sweaty and your heart palpitate?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember your mom hosting Endless Dreams of Company?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: But now that it's your turn, you realize you somehow did not inherit her entertaining gene?
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or do you love to host?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: But you find it's hard to put all the details together, and while it always works out in the end, you barely make it to your own party on time.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what if I told you the reason you feel the way you do about your hospitality is because of your personality.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's right.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: You have a unique hospitality, a personality style.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: And like all typologies, well, you can learn the strengths and weaknesses so you can thrive and enjoy how God created you.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Morgan Tyree is a professional organizer, writer, and even fitness instructor.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: She runs a personal time management business and writes books.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: You might have some guesses about her Enneagram personality type.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: And yet we're going to be talking about her type and all nine types as how it relates to the four hospitality personalities.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I loved this conversation.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be sharing it with you if I didn't.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Be sure to listen all the way to the end so you can get Morgan's three tips to help you extend the kindness of hospitality even in a year as crazy as this one.
• 1:36
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• 2:11
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• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, my name is Amy Wicks, and I love to talk about the gospel message your heart was created to hear.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a Christian Enneagram coach for moms, who loves to share resources which help you be confident that you are the best mom for your kids.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a mountain mama who somehow ended up on a cul de sac in the Midwest.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was overwhelmed by motherhood, and I struggled to understand my true motivation.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: But the Lord didn't let me stay there.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: He helped me turn those challenging moments of motherhood into a wholehearted decision to get intentional with my faith, my marriage, and my kids.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: I share a broken-hearted perspective with story, but with wholehearted purpose and plans, you can live a life full of courage and abundance.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: Think of this podcast as your on-the-go mom pal and friend who can't help but talk about Jesus and the Enneagram.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: So get to that pile of laundry, or hit the treadmill, or load up the kids in the car for that grocery run.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Get ready to be encouraged and challenged while you listen.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we love to talk about Enneagram, and that's what a lot of my people have kind of actually journeyed with me as I got trained as an Enneagram coach and even went through a mistyping journey, for lack of a better term, of revelation.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I like to start off, kind of get an insight of how you lead and how understanding your Enneagram type maybe has even empowered you in your motherhood.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I can say that I also mistyped myself.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to I think who hasn't, right?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's very, very rarely.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: I went for like two years thinking I was a nine.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I think when I reflect back, my college daughter came home last year and she's like, Mom, you are not a nine, you are a three.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: And we kind of dug back in.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what I was doing was taking the test and really taking it more from my in relationships.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't really thinking about it in like my whole life span or like my career in my professional.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a lot of nine tendencies, which I think in the triangle and you know all that.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I wing to it or I go to it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a firstborn, I am highly driven, I'm an achiever.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really competitive, which is I think what threw me off, but I'm competitive as an individual.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: I chose like individual sports in high school.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always setting goals.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it's it's just funny that my 19-year-old was like, um, no, let me set you straight.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and motherhood, I think that it helps me understand how I've mothered.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't say that I haven't been challenged by mothering, but it's something that completely fits my drive and my like gifting.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: My dad's even said he's like, you just kind of take it all in stride.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'm not saying that it, you know, all of it's easy.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like I wanted, we have three.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, why do we have to stop?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just am kind of that personality of like the more the merrier.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: I like to be challenged.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I love it how it's tied into motherhood.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think too, that whole piece of the competitive.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: I hear that a lot.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: The competition looks so different for type three.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is it an eight who is competitive?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's a drive to dominate everything, right?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Everything around them.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And right, but for a three, it's to be the very best and dominate what is in their heart almost and what is in their mind for their goals and success and achievement.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And and yes, you might be inclined to look to the right or left and see who else is running this race with you, but it's not really how can you beat them to the finish line, it's how can you be as good and keep in pace with them.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you're hard on yourself, but you get things done, which is really cool.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very, very much task-oriented for sure.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I love that it was your daughter who told you what was up because it works a little bit similar to little sisters or other friends who want to be, I don't think I think you need to look at this again.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: I actually had a good friend as well.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was biting her tongue, but when I came to her and I go, I think I was really wrong.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I could tell she was like, I thought so.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was just waiting to tell you.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, one of the pieces that we also like to talk about here is, you know, it's called simply wholehearted.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what does really wholehearted look like?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: And oftentimes in story, we experience a broken-hearted moment that leads us to a wholehearted decision to do something, change something, to heal a relationship, to encounter the Lord in deeper levels.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: So curious to know, as you went about writing this book on hospitality or even formulating this idea that you wanted to speak to hospitality, was there that moment, aha moment, or just something that really prompted sharing this message with others?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's sort of a couple things that came into that process.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the first is I am more of a reluctant host.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so not to say I don't like people or that I don't like hosting, but it's something that, you know, I'm more introverted.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: I maybe the three in me is more concerned about pulling it off perfectly.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: What I mean by that is I think there's some women or some hosts that just, it's just their jam.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like to them, it's just bring it, you know.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like I offer a good perspective for people on all parts of the continuum as far as how they approach hosting.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, secondly, I'm very fascinated by personalities because as a professional organizer, I'm always assessing my clients and really figuring out sort of what makes them tick, what will work for them.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: And with that, I also have sensed a lot of vulnerability people have in bringing people into their homes.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's sort of something that we don't always consider.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think kind of the third thing is that on a per on a maybe a more personal note, I have felt frustrated by how women can compare.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: And there's that sort of that underlying kind of that competition.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I'm not one to be overly competitive with other people, but it's hard to feel that pressure of like, you know, just feeling criticized or feeling I just think there's so much vulnerability, especially hosting within your home.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think hospitality, I define the book, is a very broad concept, but we generally think of it in your home.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's sort of the kind of the different angles that kind of came to me and helped me say, how can I help encourage people to be more hospitable within their strengths?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's so good.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: You wrote some of this idea in the book, but I thought through how I open my home and how I walk out hospitality looks so different than my mom.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: And my mom was a pastor's wife.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: So a classic case of having to host all the time and the new families or the big events.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: And and I know for her, she leads as a type one.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: It now makes a ton of sense because for her, hospitality was stressful.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: And as soon as I moved out and lived on my own, let's have a party.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was opening my house left and right every night.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: You knew you could come to Amy's house.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't wait to buy home just because I wanted to host all the things.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Complete opposite of the spectrum, right?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: And you see that even when you tie into any grand personality.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I love how you really dial into the different personalities and kind of explain why, because it would be really easy.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, I probably, especially in my 20s, now that I'm in my 40s, I view my mom so differently.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: By my 20s, it would have been easy to go, well, gosh, why couldn't she just have more fun and relax?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so easy.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And why was it that way for her and it's this way for me?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: And now I go, Oh, it's because she's wired this way, and that's how she felt about it.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, this is what makes her tick and what is her stressor.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: So give us some understanding of those four personalities, and then also because you have a great understanding of Enneagram, and we'll talk more about it on the socials this week specifically, but just those four personalities and as they tie into the Enneagram personality.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we can not only understand ourselves, but maybe understand our mom, our friends, our community that we're involved in.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's four.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to keep it basic, you know, as far as just giving people a real quick snapshot into like their primary way of hosting.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then generally you'll have kind of a secondary as well.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not that you wouldn't ever tap into all four, but you generally will kind of find one.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, yeah, that's me.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: So there's I noticed that for sure.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, primary, secondary, am I stressed or not?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, exactly, exactly.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: So the leader is your director, they're the kind of naturally take charge.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Then there's the entertainer, kind of like your socializer, they are the life of the party.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: The includers are also called the supporters, and they're the ones that are just very good at welcoming and including.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then the fourth is the organizers, also called the planners, and they are your list lovers, they're your like they know what has to happen to make things happen.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so those are the four.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that was a great question in thinking, okay, so how do these tie into integram?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I am not, you know, a full expert by any means, but I'm gonna give you kind of my general idea.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: So my guess is that I'll start with entertainers because to me they're kind of easy.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna I'm gonna guess the entertainers are probably gonna be your sevens.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times your fours.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just they're the feelers, and I kind of joke, they're the ones that maybe have forgotten to get the ice for the party, but they're all about like the entertainment, they are playing the playlist, right?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they may even have no problem leaving the party to go get the ice because they know their people are having fun and you know.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then your includers.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: So my guess, all I would say for sure, set uh there's their twos.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of helpers are gonna be smarter.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna guess nines as well.
• 12:21
  unknown: Oh, yeah.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's you know, just because it's just they're they're that real easygoing, um, because includers can have a tendency to have a harder time saying no.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm a little struggling on who on what an Enneagram six might be.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe you can help me.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I was thinking Enneagram six as well.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I was thinking they might be an includer because that loyalty piece.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the nine, they'll be thinking about who you haven't invited and you need to invite.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they they don't get left out.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I found that a lot of people will resonate with being includers, which probably makes sense that there'd be multiple Innegram numbers, you know, like points.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: So the organizer is gonna be your threes and your fives.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not so sure where the ones fit in.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: So again, you can help me with that.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think one would fit in that one.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be my guess.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: They're really good at lists and they may organize themselves out of it too, though.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think that probably could be a little bit because they would get overwhelmed.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're very present focused.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: So they'll make the list for the future, but then that is like, oh, can I really handle it?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they may sleep into a little bit of including, which is where that's why you have a primary and secondary.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: So the integram is not gonna apply it perfectly to these both.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love I love that we're connecting it.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then so for the leaders, I mean an eight.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I mean hands down.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right, hands down, but I would also say you're probably gonna have some threes in there too.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I agree.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I I kind of gave the three to both because I think it depends on sort of how that works.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what kind of three you are.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of how I broke it down.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was fun to think of it that way.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, like for example, I'm married to a seven.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm sorry, I'm married to an eight, but he wings to a seven.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: So he's an entertainer, like he is an entertainer through and through socially.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I would even think the leader, if there isn't a ton of leadership in a friend group, I could see a two taking that or even a one because they have enough assertiveness to get things done because it's important to them and hospitality is tied to helping and even doing the right thing.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I could see that that could be a secondary potentially, depending on their community and the situation that they're in.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: I just happen to be thinking of a few of them because I know that twos in particular.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: If there's not a strong leader around, they'll kind of take on that responsibility.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's so good.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious, how did you discover that?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because as I was reading the book cover, I was like super intrigued.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: I start reading, I didn't expect it.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I'm like, ah, she's brilliant.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like this makes total sense.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's interesting, you know, when I trace back, I it's so funny how everything in your life sort of layers and builds upon itself.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so back in my in my early days, I worked in human resources and I did a lot of leadership trainings, and there was always an emphasis on personalities.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then hiring and coaching and training people, you know, I think I've just, you know, I've developed skills and really assessing people.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I try to label or anything like that, but just I really start to kind of figure out, and that's really tied in well with doing um organizing work for people because it's such a personal type of relationship.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: And when I understand where someone's coming from, it allows me to help them the best, you know.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I by no means have it all put together, but it's interesting to kind of hone in and go, oh, this is why they work this way, and not trying to force things upon people.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it's sort of just all these things built upon, you know, to where I kind of was able to shape this and then look at how I socialize and how my family socializes, and you know, you're looking at all the people around me and going, okay, this is interesting how it all works together.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it goes so well with the organizing piece.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm curious to know.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us a little bit more how you got into that line of work and what that looks like for you, especially in this season where you're probably doing a lot of organizing virtually.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've had to pivot.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: So again, kind of like the way your life kind of builds upon itself.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: I have my degree in small business and entrepreneurship.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've always wanted to own my own business, but we've also moved around with my husband's career.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, between raising young kids and moving, there hadn't been that perfect, you know, window of time.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: But when we moved to Colorado four years ago, I'd already been blogging and writing and doing some organizing, you know, topical type of teaching.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, oh, I can really start my business now.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, it was like everything aligned, it was time to do it.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: And again, it's so interesting because I've worked in the fitness industry and I have this business background.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like all these things have helped, you know, because it's all been kind of moving me towards where I'm at.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I just took the plunge really, and it's like anything, you just have to kind of put yourself out there and start reaching out.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very word of mouth business.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: I get a lot of repeat clients because you know, we'll we'll fix up a room or a space, and then a year later they want to, you know, do something else.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then right now I'm doing some virtual and I am doing some in person because it is very one-on-one.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it depends on people's comfort level and different things.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's it's a perfect fit for me because it's just so relational, which is something that's important.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: And also as a three, I've learned I like to be continually challenged.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so every client brings me a new yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like this perfect fit.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so cool.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm kind of curious to know as we head into the holiday season here, how do you, because I think this will tell us what kind of organizer you are, how do you organize your Christmas decorations?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know everybody, and every organizer kind of has a method to their madness.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of curious what your theories are on that.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I'm kind of simplistic by nature.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: We have four bins, you know, just like the red and green bins, and they're not very large.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're, you know, kind of in the medium size, and that's all of our decor.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then we do have one large artificial tree.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: And within those four bins are our outdoor lights, you know, our our advent, you know, everything that we bring out.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't overly decorate, not that I don't enjoy decorating, but I sort of have a simplistic, and then, you know, a couple of my tools that I always share with people is like every year when I'm packing back up, we do a quick little, you know, there's things that have broken or that you're like, ah, I've tired of seeing this after 10 years.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: 10 years.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think people can do what works for them.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the question is, is it working for you?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you need to start and say, is this, am I overwhelmed by decorating for Christmas or am I enjoying it?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because we all have different ways of approaching it.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so are you, and this I know this ties into some, you know, decluttering methods and everything like that, but do you go room by room or do you kind of gather everything from the last season, bring it in one place, and then pull everything from the new season and kind of do it from that instead of piece by piece, room by room.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: So are you talking about Christmas decorations?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Christmas decorations, which I think it kind of ties into decluttering, yeah, which can help you figure out what method is better for you.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: I really only decorate our main level with the door wreath, and then maybe put little things on a console or on a mantle.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I really don't have to go room by room because I pretty much I know when the kids were little, they would each have a little Christmas tree in their room, but they've kind of grown out of that.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I don't really have to go around the whole house, but I would say for decluttering in general, what the best approach is to do is to work kind of one space in its entirety.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because what can happen is if you start doing a little bit here, a little bit there, it's like you kind of just have you've opened up the can of worms.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And usually when you're decluttering or you're doing some organizing, it kind of will roll into other areas where you're putting things back.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, it's better to even just work one drawer at a time and give yourself the goal of going from start to finish.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think we can we can have that tendency to just get all these things started, and then we're like we get more overwhelmed because we haven't actually finished any of it.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's so good.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, now I gotta know you've been in Colorado for four years.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do you always put the artificial tree up or have you ventured into getting real trees?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say so.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm an Oregon girl born in used to the natural, you know, going to the Christmas tree farm.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: But we lived overseas for three and a half years, and then now being in Colorado, the trees are more expensive.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the first year we were here, we did the whole, like we went, but it just felt hard compared to how it had been in Oregon.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, thanks to Costco, the pre-lit tree, I think we can kind of let the nostalgia go.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: I usually will get no, actually, no, I have an artificial wreath.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say I have a real one, but no, I've even moved away from that.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: So you know make it easy, right?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: My husband has always joked that if I ever required him to do an artificial tree over here, that that was, you know, put in the prenuptials that that was meaning for calling it quite he's an arborist by trade and has an affinity, yeah, for trees.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I have gladly obliged.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's not been an issue for me, but admittedly, we now have also the fake tree prelit, you know, in one room and then the real tree in the other.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So they are really simple and they don't leave a mess.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're not shop backing the whole house trying to get the Christmas tree needles up.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's real.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't ignore that.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's awesome.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have three rapid fire questions that I'm asking my guests this season, and then we'll close out with the three practical tips and information that you have for us that we can put into action today when it comes to opening our home and using our gifts of hospitality, because we all have some.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Sort of gift of hospitality.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: So Christmas wise, I want to know because I think this ties into our Enneagram personality.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of gifts are on your list this year?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know, fun.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a fun question.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, it's funny.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I the older I get, the less I'm like, I don't even know what I want.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: One thing I would say is I really would like to get a pair of um AirPods.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Just because I walk the dog every day and I listen to lots of things when I'm doing stuff around the house.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: The cord, I mean, I don't know how many times I've ripped what I was totally at the top of the list.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: I have to throw it out there.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: My husband bought them for me last year.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: I did not ask for them.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: I did not know I needed them.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: And now I go, Oh, I needed these.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: This was a great gift.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was thrilled when I opened them.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, I was like, huh, this wasn't on my list, but I'm glad he did it anyway.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so what kind of gifts don't you enjoy buying for others?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have a hard time buying for gifts for people that are, how do I say it kindly, just very particular.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I you can see my nine.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a people pleaser.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to make people happy, you know.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that can be a challenge for me because it's like you want to like please them and surprise them or whatever it is.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: But if they're really particular, then you can kind of feel it's gonna be almost impossible, you know.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think that makes sense with your personality because then there's no winning, you know, and it's for yourself that own like joy of like, oh, I I nailed it, I got it exactly right.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if it takes requires a lot of brain space and energy to get it exactly right, that is frustrating.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's kind of exhausting.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: I hear it.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, what do you actually enjoy about gift buying for others?
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: What's fun about it for you?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I love when you really know somebody and you can get them something that is really meaningful, and you know, something that maybe they had only mentioned once, but you kind of grabbed on to remembered.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sort of, I think that's the beauty in gift giving is when you know someone well, and then the gift represents that you know them well because we all want to be known.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's the piece I like of it, is when you know something's kind of stuck out to me, and then I remember it, like when all the timing comes together.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's the joy that I really find, you know.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I really do enjoy buying for my kids because I feel like I naturally know them well.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so that has been really fun to just you know be a mom and get to do that.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I hear you're four wing in there, that hunt of what is really gonna be special to them.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, as we finish up here, I'd love to hear what are our three practical ways that we can practice hospitality in this season, even in the midst of a virus limiting our traditions or maybe expectations.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Good question.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say the first thing is to be an initiator within what's comparable for you.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we sometimes fail to initiate and we miss opportunity.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so, and that doesn't mean it has to be you're inviting people over for dinner, but initiating can just be reaching out to someone, you know, waving as you drive to the neighborhood, just recognizing people.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I talk in the book a lot about um spontaneous hospitality and also just being hospitable to even strangers, you know, so just being kind wherever you go and initiating that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna talk about technology as the number two.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we have had to embrace technology even more in this season, and that's okay, right?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's a great tool.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say, again, show up for people, initiate, whether that's sending a text or remembering, you know, that they had an appointment, just reaching out to someone in a simple way can be such a way to love on them.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then I kind of my third thing would be this is like my overarching like keep it simple.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: When it comes to hospitality, keep it simple for you, whatever that looks like for you.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's hey, well, you made us at the park, we're all gonna bring our own pieces.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't require any work.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we have to obviously create different distancing right now, but there's still lots of ways to still connect.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so whether that's asking your neighbor to go on a walk or again picking up the phone.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: So just um keep it simple for you.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in a season where you have a lot more stress right now, recognize that.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you're a season where you have more time to give, give that time.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Use your gifts, but keep it simple for you.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's really the overarching theme of the book.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I feel it's not this big elaborate show.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's not channeling your inner Martha Stewart.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's you walking in your superpowers and your strengths that God gave you in order to show his love and be his hands and feet to others.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a real practical, really engaging book.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think you've done a beautiful job.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of people will be encouraged to read it, especially in this season.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's definitely a unique season, but I just want people to remember that the more comfortable you are hosting, the more comfortable those receiving your hospitality will feel too.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where the win and the connection happens.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, amen.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: That is a good word, Morgan.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your time.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I hope your holidays are beautiful and wonderful and splendid.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that we'll be able to follow you on the gram and just see all the tips and entertainment um encouragement that you have to give us this season.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't that a fun conversation?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: I know I've learned a lot from Morgan and her most recent books, and I think you will as well.
• 27:25
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• 27:31
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• 27:37
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• 27:45
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• 27:52
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