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- 0:03Speaker 1: She was sitting upright against her apartment door, hands folded
- 0:07Speaker 1: neatly in her lap, white sneakers, clean and aligned. A
- 0:12Speaker 1: fourteen year old delivery boy thought she had locked herself
- 0:15Speaker 1: out and fallen asleep. She had not. Lisa Griffin was
- 0:20Speaker 1: twenty two years old, and the man who put her
- 0:22Speaker 1: there had spent six months dismantling every person and every
- 0:26Speaker 1: boundary that stood between her and him. This is the
- 0:30Speaker 1: story of how one person methodically erased another's reality, and
- 0:34Speaker 1: how a teenager, a social worker, and a barcode that
- 0:38Speaker 1: did not match saved what was left of Lisa's life.
- 0:41Speaker 1: To understand what was taken from Lisa Griffin, you first
- 0:46Speaker 1: have to understand what she had built. Lisa grew up
- 0:50Speaker 1: in Terre Haute, Indiana. By the time she was sixteen,
- 0:55Speaker 1: she was already fighting a dependency that would follow her
- 0:58Speaker 1: into her early twenties. Two prior treatment programs, two attempts
- 1:03Speaker 1: to reset her life. When she was discharged from the
- 1:06Speaker 1: Shelby County Recovery Program in February of two thousand seventeen,
- 1:11Speaker 1: she was twenty two years old and she was trying again, genuinely,
- 1:16Speaker 1: visibly trying. She had a system Thursday afternoons, she drove
- 1:21Speaker 1: out to Greenfield to see her older sister, Paula. Those
- 1:25Speaker 1: visits were not incidental. They were Lisa's anchor point in
- 1:29Speaker 1: a week that otherwise required constant vigilance. Paula noticed the
- 1:33Speaker 1: rhythm of them, the reliability. Lisa was never late. She
- 1:38Speaker 1: always called ahead. There was also a trust disbursement waiting
- 1:43Speaker 1: for her, roughly fourteen thousand dollars, held until her twenty
- 1:47Speaker 1: third birthday in November. It was not a fortune, but
- 1:51Speaker 1: it was a foundation. Lisa had plans for it. When
- 1:55Speaker 1: Clear Path Recovery Partners assigned her a sober companion named
- 1:59Speaker 1: Robert Larson, nothing in his file raised concern. Larson was
- 2:03Speaker 1: forty one, he claimed nine years of surprise. He held
- 2:07Speaker 1: an online counseling certificate and carried a peer support background.
- 2:12Speaker 1: Clear Pat's admined director Kevin Stroud, would later describe him
- 2:16Speaker 1: as reliable, communicative, consistent. He showed up on time, he
- 2:21Speaker 1: returned calls. The first six weeks were, by all accounts, hopeful.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Larson attended Thursday drives to Paula's house. He sat in
- 2:32Speaker 1: the passenger seat and talked with Lisa about what sobriety
- 2:35Speaker 1: actually felt like. Once the initial fog lifted, Paula noticed
- 2:39Speaker 1: he was attentive. She also noticed around weeks five and
- 2:43Speaker 1: six that Larson started arriving Thursday mornings before Lisa left.
- 2:48Speaker 1: The visits to Paula began running shorter, then in early
- 2:52Speaker 1: August they stopped entirely. Paula would later say she assumed
- 2:57Speaker 1: Lisa was simply building more independence. That was the goal,
- 3:01Speaker 1: after all, that was what recovery was supposed to look like.
- 3:05Speaker 1: What Paula did not know, what no one at Clear
- 3:08Speaker 1: Path knew, was that Larson had already told Lisa something
- 3:12Speaker 1: designed to close that door. According to testimony presented at trial,
- 3:17Speaker 1: Larson informed Lisa that Paula had been privately expressing doubts
- 3:21Speaker 1: about her sobriety. It was not true, Paula had said
- 3:24Speaker 1: no such thing, but Lisa had no way to verify it.
- 3:28Speaker 1: She had no way to know the man assigned to
- 3:31Speaker 1: protect her recovery was already using it as a tool.
- 3:34Speaker 1: By mid July, Lisa had signed a power of attorney
- 3:37Speaker 1: giving Larson limited control over her Terry Hate credit Union account.
- 3:42Speaker 1: The document was drafted outside Clear Path's protocols. The organization
- 3:46Speaker 1: had no knowledge of it clear path required written authorization
- 3:50Speaker 1: before any financial arrangement between a specialist and a client.
- 3:55Speaker 1: No such authorization existed. The trust disbursement was four months away.
- 4:00Speaker 1: There was still time. There was a Duffel bag in
- 4:03Speaker 1: the back of Robert Larson's pickup truck, dark nylon, zipped
- 4:08Speaker 1: shut inside a cordless drill, a pair of channelock pliers,
- 4:13Speaker 1: and a folded invoice template printed with the name Meridian
- 4:17Speaker 1: HVAC Solutions. No registered agent, no physical address. A website
- 4:24Speaker 1: created eleven days before the visit. It was used to
- 4:28Speaker 1: justify that detail alone would have meant nothing in isolation,
- 4:32Speaker 1: But nothing about this case existed in isolation. Start with
- 4:36Speaker 1: the bag, because the bag is where the method becomes visible.
- 4:39Speaker 1: In late July of twenty seventeen, a man in a
- 4:43Speaker 1: dark blue pick up arrived at Lisa Griffin's apartment building
- 4:46Speaker 1: in Millhaven. He told the building manager, Steve Olbert, that
- 4:50Speaker 1: he was there for a routine mechanical inspection. Obert, a
- 4:54Speaker 1: retired letter carrier who managed the property part time, let
- 4:57Speaker 1: him in without question. The man's and forty minutes in
- 5:00Speaker 1: the mechanical room. Management had no service record for the visit,
- 5:05Speaker 1: no work order no follow up report. The company name
- 5:09Speaker 1: on his invoice, Meridian HVAC Solutions, did not exist in
- 5:14Speaker 1: any state contractor registry. Its website had been created eleven
- 5:19Speaker 1: days earlier. What the mechanical room contained, the building's water
- 5:23Speaker 1: distribution system and its connection to individual unit lines, that
- 5:28Speaker 1: is not confirmed as the purpose of the visit. What
- 5:31Speaker 1: is confirmed is that the man with the fake invoice
- 5:34Speaker 1: was later linked to Larsen, that Larson denied the impersonation
- 5:38Speaker 1: on record, and that the physical evidence in his truck
- 5:41Speaker 1: made the denial difficult to sustain. Thirty nine days after
- 5:45Speaker 1: that visit, Lisa Griffin was found unconscious on her porch.
- 5:49Speaker 1: Between those two dates, something else happened. On August sixteenth,
- 5:54Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, six days before Warren Evans found Lisa barely
- 6:00Speaker 1: breathing against her door frame, nine thousand dollars moved from
- 6:04Speaker 1: Lisa's tarrellt Credit Union account into an account belonging to
- 6:08Speaker 1: Robert Larson. The transfer was authorized under the power of
- 6:11Speaker 1: attorney Lisa had signed in mid July. The full trust
- 6:15Speaker 1: disbursement was not due until November, when Lisa turned twenty three.
- 6:20Speaker 1: Someone did not wait. Lisa had roughly fourteen thousand dollars
- 6:24Speaker 1: in that account. After the transfer, she had five thousand.
- 6:28Speaker 1: Now there are two open questions running at the same time. First,
- 6:32Speaker 1: what did Larson do in that mechanical room. Second, why
- 6:36Speaker 1: did he need the money six weeks before the trust matured.
- 6:40Speaker 1: The answer to the second question points toward the night
- 6:43Speaker 1: of August twenty first into the twenty second. Larson drove
- 6:46Speaker 1: Lisa home from a recovery meeting that night. That much
- 6:51Speaker 1: is established. What happened inside the car is reconstructed from
- 6:55Speaker 1: toxicology and physical evidence because Lisa has no memory of
- 6:59Speaker 1: the transransition from the passenger seat to the porch. Extended
- 7:03Speaker 1: toxicology ordered by Milhaven Regional ordered specifically because Lisa's presentation
- 7:10Speaker 1: was inconsistent with opioids detected Gamma hydroxy beauty rate g HB,
- 7:17Speaker 1: a drug that is odorless, colorless, and essentially tasteless in
- 7:21Speaker 1: small delutions, A drug that exits the body in four
- 7:25Speaker 1: to eight hours. The standard uranalysis panel used by Clear
- 7:30Speaker 1: Path Recovery Partners did not test for GHB. It was
- 7:34Speaker 1: a systemic gap not specific to Lisa, but Larsen knew
- 7:38Speaker 1: the panel. He submitted the urinalysis results himself. Kevin Stroud,
- 7:43Speaker 1: Queer Path's admin director, confirmed that the chain of custody
- 7:47Speaker 1: on those samples was incomplete. The barcode on the sample
- 7:51Speaker 1: bag did not match the serial number in the lab
- 7:53Speaker 1: intake system. The sample had not been submitted through the
- 7:57Speaker 1: contracted LAP a clean result had been provided anyway, someone
- 8:01Speaker 1: had been falsifying her test results. That image, a clean
- 8:06Speaker 1: report produced for a sample that was never processed, sits
- 8:10Speaker 1: next to the image of Larsen in that mechanical room,
- 8:13Speaker 1: and next to the nine thousand dollars that moved six
- 8:16Speaker 1: days before Lisa stopped breathing. Normally, three separate images, three
- 8:21Speaker 1: separate questions, and they are all pointing in the same direction.
- 8:26Speaker 1: One more in Larson's cloud account, investigators found a backed
- 8:31Speaker 1: up text thread between Larsen and a contact identified only
- 8:35Speaker 1: as TR. The messages, sent weeks before Lisa's hospitalization, discuss
- 8:40Speaker 1: obtaining what Larsen described as a liquid compound. The identity
- 8:45Speaker 1: of TR was never publicly established. Warren Evans found Lisa
- 8:50Speaker 1: on the porch at just before seven in the morning
- 8:53Speaker 1: on August twenty second. She was seated upright, her hands
- 8:56Speaker 1: folded in her lap, Her white sneakers still clean. She
- 9:00Speaker 1: was alive, barely. She spent nine days in the intensive
- 9:04Speaker 1: care unit. Ronda Tilman was a licensed clinical social worker
- 9:09Speaker 1: contracted by Milhaven Regional's Patient Advocacy office. She was not
- 9:14Speaker 1: an investigator. Her job was to sick with patients, assess needs,
- 9:18Speaker 1: co ordinate discharge planning. She was fifty three years old
- 9:22Speaker 1: and she had been doing this work for two decades.
- 9:25Speaker 1: On the fourth day of Lisa's hospitalization, Tilman sat with
- 9:28Speaker 1: Lisa as part of a standard intake review. The conversation
- 9:32Speaker 1: moved to support systems. Lisa mentioned her recovery specialist. She
- 9:37Speaker 1: mentioned that he handled some of her financial arrangements. She
- 9:41Speaker 1: mentioned the power of attorney. Tilman noted the power of
- 9:44Speaker 1: attorney in her file. Then she noted two other things
- 9:48Speaker 1: that did not fit the standard picture. The uranalysis records
- 9:52Speaker 1: forwarded from clear Path showed a chain of custody irregularity
- 9:56Speaker 1: she had not seen before, a barcode that did not
- 9:59Speaker 1: core respond to a lab intake number, and the toxicology
- 10:03Speaker 1: showed GHB, a substance that almost never appears in pure
- 10:09Speaker 1: support recovery cases involving opioid histories unless it is introduced externally,
- 10:16Speaker 1: three anomalies, one social worker who wrote them all down.
- 10:21Speaker 1: By the second week of August, while Lisa was still
- 10:24Speaker 1: in the ICU, Tillman had referred the case to the
- 10:27Speaker 1: Millhaven Police Department's Financial Crimes Unit. Detectives Carla Voss and
- 10:32Speaker 1: Pete Nolan received it. Voss ran Larsen's record immediately. It
- 10:37Speaker 1: came back clean, no prior arrests, no flags, nothing in
- 10:41Speaker 1: any connected system. That clean record almost stopped everything. But
- 10:45Speaker 1: Nolan had seen GHB presentations before. He knew the detection window.
- 10:50Speaker 1: He knew that if someone had wanted GHB to disappear
- 10:53Speaker 1: from a toxicology screen, they would have needed the extended
- 10:57Speaker 1: test ordered within the right number of hours. And the
- 11:01Speaker 1: extended test had only been ordered because an emergency room
- 11:04Speaker 1: physician noticed that Lisa's presentation did not match her history,
- 11:09Speaker 1: a reflex call by one doctor who trusted his own
- 11:12Speaker 1: instincts over the expected diagnosis. Reading those results, Nolan recognized
- 11:17Speaker 1: the signature. Here is where the case shifts completely, because
- 11:22Speaker 1: everything up to this point, the power of attorney, the
- 11:25Speaker 1: false uryanalysis, the money transfer could in theory have been
- 11:29Speaker 1: explained away individually. Regulatory failures, administrative gaps, a codependent relationship
- 11:36Speaker 1: that crossed professional lines. Larsen, on day two of interrogation,
- 11:41Speaker 1: would try to frame it exactly that way. He acknowledged
- 11:45Speaker 1: what he called an inappropriate attachment. He acknowledged the power
- 11:49Speaker 1: of attorney. He said he may have provided Lisa with
- 11:53Speaker 1: a substance she had not consented to receiving, and he
- 11:56Speaker 1: described it as a codependency lapse. He denied the hvac impersonation.
- 12:03Speaker 1: He denied any intent to harm, but the Duffel bag
- 12:06Speaker 1: was in his truck. The Meridian HVA Solutions invoice was
- 12:10Speaker 1: in the Duffel bag. The website had been created eleven
- 12:14Speaker 1: days before the visit, and the text messages about a
- 12:17Speaker 1: liquid compound had been sent weeks before Lisa lost consciousness
- 12:21Speaker 1: in a car she had trusted to take her home.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Codependency does not require a fake contractor identity. Codependency does
- 12:29Speaker 1: not require falsified lab results. Codependency does not create a
- 12:34Speaker 1: shell company website eleven days before you need it. The
- 12:38Speaker 1: Financial Crimes Unit expanded the investigation, and then on August
- 12:43Speaker 1: twenty nine, twenty seventeen, Larsen was arrested at his apartment
- 12:47Speaker 1: in Milhaven. Lisa was discharged the following morning. Paula was
- 12:52Speaker 1: in the parking lot picture the night of August twenty. First,
- 12:55Speaker 1: the way the evidence reconstructs it, Larsen drives Lisa home
- 12:59Speaker 1: from a meets. It is a drive she has taken before.
- 13:03Speaker 1: He is familiar. He is in every way that she
- 13:06Speaker 1: can see the person assigned to protect her. At some
- 13:10Speaker 1: point during that drive or immediately before it, g h
- 13:13Speaker 1: B enters her water. The substance is undetectable by taste.
- 13:18Speaker 1: Within the hour, she is losing coordination, losing consciousness. She
- 13:22Speaker 1: cannot describe the moment it happens, because there is no
- 13:26Speaker 1: moment she can hold on to. G HB does not
- 13:29Speaker 1: leave that kind of memory. What Larsen does next is
- 13:33Speaker 1: the part that resisted easy explanation even after the conviction.
- 13:38Speaker 1: He arranges her against her apartment door frame. He folds
- 13:41Speaker 1: her hands in her lap. He leaves her outside. One
- 13:45Speaker 1: version of what that means is straightforward. He needed her found.
- 13:50Speaker 1: He needed her found in a state that looked like relapse,
- 13:54Speaker 1: not like something he had introduced. A woman in addiction
- 13:58Speaker 1: slumped on her own porch would read as a fall.
- 14:01Speaker 1: Her history would confirm it before anyone thought to look deeper.
- 14:05Speaker 1: The extended toxicology might never have been ordered if one
- 14:09Speaker 1: emergency room physician had taken the easy path. But that
- 14:13Speaker 1: version has a seam because if the goal was only
- 14:16Speaker 1: to discredit Lisa, to make her look unstable enough to
- 14:19Speaker 1: justify his financial control, or to cloud any challenge to
- 14:23Speaker 1: the power of attorney, leaving her outside in the early
- 14:26Speaker 1: morning hours introduced a risk he could not control. People
- 14:30Speaker 1: die of exposure. People die when g h B interacts
- 14:35Speaker 1: with other substances. Lisa nearly did. Nine days in the
- 14:40Speaker 1: ICU is not a controlled outcome, which brings the reconstruction
- 14:44Speaker 1: to the second possibility that the arrangement on the porch,
- 14:48Speaker 1: the folded hands, the upright position, the clean white sneakers
- 14:52Speaker 1: was not about what Lisa would look like to the paramedics.
- 14:55Speaker 1: It was something else. The investigation could not fully explain it.
- 15:00Speaker 1: The record does not offer a clean answer, and the
- 15:03Speaker 1: narrative here will not invent one. What the evidence does
- 15:06Speaker 1: establish is a pattern that did not begin with Lisa.
- 15:09Speaker 1: In two thousand fifteen, in Boone County, a twenty four
- 15:13Speaker 1: year old woman named Tina Bassett was hospitalized with an
- 15:17Speaker 1: unexplained overdose. She had been working with a pure support specialist.
- 15:22Speaker 1: That specialist was never identified by name. At the time
- 15:26Speaker 1: Bassett recovered, she declined to co operate with investigators. Boone
- 15:31Speaker 1: County Detective Wes Farrow carried that file in spring of
- 15:35Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. After Larsen's conviction, Pharaoh contacted Pete Nolan.
- 15:40Speaker 1: The method was identical. The link was formally noted in
- 15:43Speaker 1: Larsen's sentencing memorandum. No charges were filed in the Boone
- 15:48Speaker 1: County matter. The statute of limitations had closed. That is
- 15:52Speaker 1: not speculation. That is what the sentencing record says. So
- 15:56Speaker 1: the reconstruction that survives contact with the full body of
- 15:59Speaker 1: evadence is this. Larsen selected people in recovery because recovery
- 16:05Speaker 1: comes with built in doubt. A client who reports feeling strange,
- 16:09Speaker 1: who reports memory gaps, who reports that her support specialist
- 16:13Speaker 1: has taken unusual control of her finances, that client carries
- 16:17Speaker 1: a history that makes her easy to dismiss. Larson had
- 16:21Speaker 1: studied the architecture of that dismissal. He had found the
- 16:24Speaker 1: gap in the uranalysis panel. He had found the gap
- 16:27Speaker 1: in the chain of custody. He had built a fake
- 16:30Speaker 1: contractor identity to access something in that building. He had
- 16:35Speaker 1: moved the money before the trust matured, because whatever came next,
- 16:39Speaker 1: he needed the money first. What came next almost killed
- 16:42Speaker 1: Lisa Griffin. She was twenty two years old, six months
- 16:46Speaker 1: into recovery, and the person who was supposed to be
- 16:49Speaker 1: her anchor had been from nearly the beginning taking her apart,
- 16:54Speaker 1: piece by piece, her relationships, her paperwork, her test results,
- 16:59Speaker 1: her trust in herself. The jury deliberated for three days.
- 17:04Speaker 1: They convicted on every count. Fourteen years Robert Larson was
- 17:09Speaker 1: arrested on August twenty ninth, twenty seventeen, at his apartment
- 17:15Speaker 1: in Milhaven. Detectives found him there. He did not run.
- 17:19Speaker 1: On day two of interrogation, he offered what prosecutors later
- 17:23Speaker 1: called a partial confession. He acknowledged an inappropriate attachment. He
- 17:28Speaker 1: acknowledged the power of attorney. He acknowledged that he may
- 17:33Speaker 1: have provided Lisa with the substance she had not consented
- 17:36Speaker 1: to receiving. He framed all of it as a codependency lapse,
- 17:41Speaker 1: a man who got too close, lost his footing, made
- 17:44Speaker 1: poor choices. He denied impersonating an HVAC technician. He denied
- 17:49Speaker 1: intending to harm anyone. The Duffel bag in his truck
- 17:52Speaker 1: told a different story. The Meridian hv AC Solutions invoice template,
- 17:59Speaker 1: the cordless drill, the channel lock pliers, a website created
- 18:04Speaker 1: eleven days before a retired letter carrier led a fake
- 18:07Speaker 1: technician into the mechanical room of Lisa Griffin's building. Larson's
- 18:11Speaker 1: denial met that evidence in a Millhaven District courtroom in
- 18:15Speaker 1: March of twenty eighteen. The jury deliberated for three days.
- 18:21Speaker 1: They convicted on every count aggravated battery, criminal exploitation of
- 18:26Speaker 1: a vulnerable adult, fraud, impersonating a contractor fourteen years. The
- 18:33Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars transferred to Larson's account on August sixteenth,
- 18:37Speaker 1: six days before Warren Evans found Lisa on that porch,
- 18:42Speaker 1: was never recovered as a separate judgment. The trust had
- 18:45Speaker 1: been designed to support Lisa's independence when she turned twenty three.
- 18:50Speaker 1: Larsen moved it before she had the chance to spend
- 18:53Speaker 1: a dollar of it herself. Lisa was discharged from Millhaven
- 18:57Speaker 1: Regional on August thirtieth, one day after after Larsen's arrest,
- 19:01Speaker 1: Her mother, Cynthia, drove from Terra Hate and was waiting
- 19:06Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Paula came too. There is something
- 19:09Speaker 1: that the investigation was never able to fully explain, and
- 19:12Speaker 1: the record is honest about it. The position Lisa was
- 19:15Speaker 1: found in upright, hands folded in her lap, white sneakers,
- 19:20Speaker 1: flat on the porch was not the natural result of
- 19:23Speaker 1: someone losing consciousness. Someone placed her that way. The evidence
- 19:27Speaker 1: connects that act to Larson, But why he arranged her
- 19:31Speaker 1: like that, what it meant to him is not in
- 19:34Speaker 1: any document. That question does not have an answer. What
- 19:39Speaker 1: does have an answer is whether it happened before. In
- 19:42Speaker 1: spring of twenty nineteen, Boone County Detective West Farrow contacted
- 19:48Speaker 1: Pete Nolan. Pharaoh had carried a file since twenty fifteen,
- 19:52Speaker 1: a twenty four year old woman named Tina Bassett hospitalized
- 19:56Speaker 1: with an unexplained overdose, working at the time with a
- 19:59Speaker 1: peer your Support specialist who was never identified by name
- 20:03Speaker 1: identical method. The link was formally noted in Larsen's sentencing memorandum.
- 20:09Speaker 1: No charges were filed in Boone County, the statute of
- 20:12Speaker 1: limitations had closed. Tina Bassett declined to testify Larsen had
- 20:17Speaker 1: done this before, the system had no mechanism to know.
- 20:21Speaker 1: There is a specific failure at the center of this
- 20:24Speaker 1: case that goes beyond one man's choices. The urinalysis panel
- 20:29Speaker 1: used at Clear Path Recovery Partners did not test for
- 20:32Speaker 1: g HB, not because of anything Larsen did to that
- 20:36Speaker 1: particular test, but because g h B clears the body
- 20:40Speaker 1: in four to eight hours and is not included in
- 20:43Speaker 1: standard commercial panels. That gap was systemic. Larsen found it,
- 20:48Speaker 1: understood it, and used it. The fake chain of custody,
- 20:51Speaker 1: the bar code that did not match the lab intake serial,
- 20:55Speaker 1: the clean result submitted without a sample ever reaching the
- 20:58Speaker 1: contracted lab was his redundancy. He had closed off two
- 21:02Speaker 1: detection windows at once. The question that lingers is not
- 21:07Speaker 1: whether Lisa Griffins is targeted. She was. The question is
- 21:11Speaker 1: how many people in similar positions in early recovery assigned
- 21:15Speaker 1: a support specialist dependent on a structure they did not design,
- 21:19Speaker 1: carry the same vulnerabilities right now today, and whether the
- 21:23Speaker 1: systems surrounding them have caught up to what this case exposed.
- 21:27Speaker 1: Lisa Griffin was twenty two years old when she was
- 21:30Speaker 1: discharged from her second treatment program and handed a referral
- 21:34Speaker 1: to Clear Path she had been fighting since she was sixteen.
- 21:39Speaker 1: Six months into what looked like real progress, she was
- 21:42Speaker 1: left on a porch in the early morning dark, barely alive,
- 21:46Speaker 1: because the person assigned to support her recovery had been
- 21:49Speaker 1: from nearly the beginning engineering its failure. She survived. She
- 21:54Speaker 1: was in a parking lot on August thirtieth with her
- 21:57Speaker 1: mother and her sister. That is not a small thing.
- 22:01Speaker 1: It is in a case built almost entirely from institutional
- 22:05Speaker 1: failures and deliberate deception. The fact that holds the question
- 22:09Speaker 1: that no conviction answers not fully is how many people
- 22:14Speaker 1: like Lisa never made it to that parking lot, and
- 22:17Speaker 1: how many people like Larson were never standing in a courtroom.
- 22:20Speaker 1: To explain why this show is made by Obomedia,