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[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from one unusual place
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[SPEAKER_06]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask
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[SPEAKER_06]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Because when you really need a friend Just ask
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[SPEAKER_05]: Shit 90's shows taught me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Shit 90's shows taught me was not filmed before live studio audience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready to play another day?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So are we.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Shit 90's Show's taught me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just learning here with my co-hosts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm free Sarah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How can you see me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're watching a song video, Sarah's that with black and white as if that makes her it was a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the best I can do in a short amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, if you were, if you were really dedicated to your craft, you would cover yourself in green paint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you would blend in with your, your background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I have a Christmas baby onesy very close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, actually, now you're gone because you went out of the frame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's not working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not working like I thought it would, and it just looked like you had a bunzy out of your face.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, everyone needs to check out the video literally just for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: can stupid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fucking clown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe I just did that incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're talking Buffy season six episode 11.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Buffy goes invisible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, I want to know before I say, you know, my feelings on this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know, how did you take this episode?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you like, did you enjoy it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know your thoughts on it.
2:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I would cause this goes under the, like, that was silly bits episode.
3:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally felt the same way.
3:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, we're doing like a silly episode.
3:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, like, and you could into it, like, Buffy having more deep philosophical thoughts on like, you know, wanting to be invisible and all of that works.
3:16
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, yeah.
3:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I think it came away from this episode, like, oh, like, it took the tone.
3:28
[SPEAKER_02]: The tone was just so weird because it was like, oh, we're leaning into the silliness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this, I see, and so far, it has not felt silly.
3:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I think it just, obviously the loser trio ups the silliness factor anytime they're on screen.
3:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It just didn't fully work for me like I wanted it to and I hope it worked for other people like I could see this being an episode people enjoy because it is full of silly bits.
3:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but ultimately, I was left a little, like, man, on it.
4:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was, it was just awfully silly for, uh, the depression season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I feel like there's a lot of things that are awfully silly in the depression season.
4:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like there's less depression than I was anticipating all in all, halfway through.
4:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we're not done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think we're definitely going to be getting a lot more of it.
4:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but also the other thing is, I mean, let's start here.
4:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about a little bit about Willow because we've spent a lot of time this season talking about Willow's downward spiral.
4:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And you said last podcast, like, oh, I don't think she's hit rock bottom yet.
4:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I feel like we are still going to be hitting that rock bottom.
4:46
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode is definitely a change of pace for her, like they're getting rid of all her magic stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's really tempted to use magic multiple times this episode to make the process of finding out why Buffy is visible and all that stuff go quicker, but she does resist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and ultimately, she gets like some hero moments, like she's the one who finds the van that's been following Buffy, she finds the loser trio, she figures out everything with the visibility ray.
5:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I guess, well, I like a decent episode.
5:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think like once again, we don't want this to be a total character assassination.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially since below has been with us since the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She does have that special credit in the opening credits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there has to be some balance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think that evil willow is over?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of hope not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I would be a little bit disappointed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the nature of typical addictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: there, it's not linear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would like to talk this up as like we can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like what you said, what you've been saying, like we can't have her keep doing really, really horrible stuff.
6:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And then redeem her at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that there's going to be peaks and valleys with Willow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's nice for her to
6:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know what it, it's very nice for her to be able to solve the crime, essentially, without magic.
6:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I mean, I love how she's like, I'm going to go surf the webs and, uh, back to her old hacker days, right?
6:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, exactly.
6:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was refreshing to see that she was able to like contribute to the Scoobies without using magic with just using her smarts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also think it's like a little bit of a confidence boost to be like, oh, I actually can do this without relying on magic so much.
6:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still not a massive fan of like, again, we're treating this like, oh, she's rehabilitated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we're treating it like a drug sort of a thing like an addiction.
7:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It still just feels a little weird to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt very just like not that it can't be, but more so that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They jumped to magic as drugs so quickly that I'm still kind of like getting a little whiplash from it.
7:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I mean, there's other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess then I was going to, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, sorry, my mind just like, but I was going to say we have seen other people use magic and not abuse it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, I can have a glass of wine and have
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[SPEAKER_01]: and enjoy it and not abuse it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was about to say something and then I like course corrected myself in my brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I totally see what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that is like an interesting adjustment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm a little less bothered by it than you, but only because I'm just like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go, like I am, I hopped on the crazy train and I'm future in all the way to the end.
8:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, I think that's what it is.
8:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, whatever you want to tell me, missyam, Buffy the Vampire Slayer show, like I'll do whatever you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like I think that it, I can totally see how for you and like a lot of our friends, like it really just doesn't work.
8:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The tone is weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or like the story that they're telling is weird plus all of the loser trio stuff is kind of weird to and then on top of that we have the spike and Buffy stuff and that kind of stuff is weird to so I can see like kind of all of the like
8:43
[SPEAKER_01]: the the like the the bumps and like the yeah, you know, like the the bad stuff of this season however I continue to feel as though like I don't know it's entertaining television like I'm not bored like I and that is the kiss of death for me like if I'm bored then I it's just like them what are we doing here like I can like not like what's going on.
9:12
[SPEAKER_01]: and still watch it and feel entertained.
9:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I still think that's a good show.
9:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's really fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're only halfway through the season, like literally.
9:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so speaking of characters who have like a good episode, Zander, I think,
9:32
[SPEAKER_02]: is really in an interesting spot now because we've really relegated on to wedding planning at this point, which I have a little bit of a love-hate relationship with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel almost like what you were saying Sarah about like
9:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tired of okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's afraid of bunnies and her stick is that she's a demon trying to human and all of this stuff.
9:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I haven't gotten here yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm like I'm I'm going to say this like a cautiously I'm a little bit nervous about I don't want on his entire personality and to our storyline to be wedding planning.
10:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it is reductive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sexist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just feels a key because you can be planning a wedding and not have it consume your entire existence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it feels like tropey and just again, like very reductive for the character of Ania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it pays off with some funny bits of like, oh, where is Buffy, we're, you know, that sort of a thing and the blood larva, bridesmaid stresses, right?
10:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Here are my dogs.
10:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I apologize.
10:39
[SPEAKER_02]: My husband's not home while we're recording.
10:41
[SPEAKER_02]: No one is there to stop them from being absolute monsters.
10:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just feel like we're hitting, we're hitting are they are hitting us over the head with on his wedding planning and we're going to I'm going to need like a maximum of two more episodes of this before I start getting a little irritated that that's all she has to do.
11:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know it has the case of she gets like very obsessed about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: one thing for a certain period of time.
11:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget there's a phrase for it because I also have the hyperfixation.
11:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, thank you.
11:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I could not pick that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, I have a little case of hyperfixation too, where I'm just like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, today, or for this period of time, I'm going to be super into this one thing.
11:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you get this as well as well with hearts.
11:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you're talking about.
11:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like I have an entire tote full of yarn for crocheting, which I literally started like less than a month ago.
11:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for me, it's like it's less so hobbies and more so like shopping.
11:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I get into this thing of like
11:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, I'm like, I'm a son, I click sunglasses.
11:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I have like 40 pairs of sunglasses, or like, plans was won for a while.
12:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Broadway shows, like, I get the same thing where she's like kind of all consumes me and all of my,
12:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't necessarily think that Ania's dealing with any anxiety, but like I do think that she's like a hyper-fixation girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the phrase reminder, because she's like, let me focus on money and solely money for a second.
12:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me focus on bunnies and silly bunnies for a good moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me focus on the, like she can't,
12:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
12:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can you see any validity in that at all?
12:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do see that.
12:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that it ends up being difficult as a viewer when she's not the main character of the show.
12:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't get a ton of scenes with her.
12:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when we do get scenes with her and literally all she's talking about is wedding planning.
12:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It just gets a little frustrating because it does feel very reductive and it does feel very like pointed as like, oh, she's the woman.
12:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So of course, she's going to be obsessed with wedding planning and it's just like, okay, I can do this for a little bit.
13:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to grow tired of it.
13:06
[SPEAKER_02]: On the other hand, I do think as a result of being like relegated as like wedding planning, willow going through the whole rehab stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Giles leaving the show, I feel like Zander now has really stepped into a new role.
13:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He is almost like the jiles in a way.
13:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is the one who is like everyone, let's get back to researching like we need to take this serious lake buffy is invisible.
13:33
[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't good.
13:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's the one calling buffy being like you're going to turn into putting if we don't solve this.
13:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is the one who right in my opinion, rightfully so justifiably so immediately suspects that Willow has something to do with the fact that buffy is invisible.
13:49
[SPEAKER_01]: that is such a fairer thought for him to have is, and I totally agree with you.
13:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, on your got there too, it's not like it was out of pocket.
14:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I can also, I can sympathize with Willow when she gets confronted about it, how that would hurt her.
14:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, I mean, like, it sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you have nothing to do about a do with like whatever it happens, you now have like a guilty record and anything that goes wrong, people are going to assume it's you and the worst of it is people that are your friends are going to assume it's you.
14:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't blame Zander at all for going there because I think we would all do that.
14:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do, especially with I think like he said it best like you know like sometimes your magic goes a little wonky like remember the time.
14:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just forgot who we were and remember this situation.
14:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And accidentally turning Buffy invisible is absolutely a thousand percent something that will would accidentally
15:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the way he could like confronts in quotes like Willow about it.
15:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like was very kind he's like nobody's bad like relapsed happens.
15:12
[SPEAKER_02]: We just have to figure it out like he wasn't going in being like you did this here amongst her blah, blah, blah, blah.
15:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he really did approach it with what I thought was like care.
15:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just want to give the characters and or some shout out to the
15:29
[SPEAKER_02]: a really incredible.
15:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Who knew he'd be like the most mature level headed like responsible member of the Scoobies at this moment in time?
15:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just think it's honestly incredible, especially when, I mean, we've pointed out many times.
15:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely the Scooby with the least amount of quote unquote power.
15:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he does not know what, she's not the slayer.
15:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he, but he is the one who's kind of hurting cats at the moment.
15:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really enjoyed seeing it.
15:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I really thought this was a great spot for him.
16:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt very similar to me to gosh, I'm trying to remember if it was season one or season two, the Halloween episode where Willow is the one who kind of takes on the leadership role.
16:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like Xander is kind of doing that here, and I really liked it.
16:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I really enjoyed seeing it.
16:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel forced.
16:18
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel unearned.
16:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like this makes sense to me that like Xander has now arrived at this place, especially in Giles' absence.
16:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really, I don't know about you, Sarah.
16:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really feeling Giles' absence now.
16:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually am too, and I think like that's that was literally just on my mind
16:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because we have to like rank characters today and like I was thinking I'm like, huh, like, are we counting the titles and like if so, does he get like a bumper because I miss him and I'm like, you know, like I'm like debating, I'm like, I miss him so much that I might even put him as number one, because like I'm feeling his absence.
17:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
17:03
[SPEAKER_01]: like so much and when I when I when he was here like honestly he felt like home and it felt like safer and like I can totally feel um like I'm I I'm getting like the like daddy vibes but like the different daddy vibes you get if you know I mean we've said it really nice yeah yeah I missed him and I feel that absence and I feel like and he didn't control the Scooby's like maybe like earlier
17:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the last few seasons, he really let them get up to like whatever, like he realizes that they're like no longer children there adults, like he let them make the mistakes, like I didn't feel like he was like raining in the herd.
17:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to do some shit, but like we can like figure it out together, I guess.
17:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, I miss, I miss trials.
18:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I'm, I'm feeling his absence.
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm really happy that the actor got to go back home and be with his family.
18:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that was really hard.
18:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um,
18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't we give him like an extra mill?
18:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, right?
18:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I really miss him.
18:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And it, like, I just keep coming back to the fact of, like, with everything going on with the social worker coming to visit and, like, buffy really, obviously struggling and willow really, obviously struggling.
18:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,
18:33
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the worst time for jiles to leave and the the excuse of like you're never going to stand on your own to feed if I'm around.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't hold water with me.
18:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't track and so I the more I think about it, the more upset I get that like not the actor left because that happens.
18:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like shows have to deal with actors leaving all the time, it just is like the way they did it doesn't drive with me.
18:59
[SPEAKER_02]: and the further we get into the season and the more I reflect on it, the less I like it.
19:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, we'll see where we go there.
19:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But before we jump into like the Buffy and Buffy and Spike stuff specifically, let's touch on the loser trio.
19:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they are not working for you anymore, or is it more so that they're just bumbling idiots and you're just like, okay, these guys are stupid.
19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Were they ever working for me?
19:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
19:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was I think we were very like agnostic like I feel like we were like middle of the road like we're not bothered by them, but they're obviously not like glory for us, you know, it's just so stupid.
19:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't understand what we're doing here like the things that they did it it very much reminds me of like,
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just like weird science, like, you know, just, oh, like teenage boys get a bit of, I know they're not like they're young adults now, but young men get to do their little sciencey shit and what are they going to do they're going to make a freeze right.
20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like in an invisibility, right?
20:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Or And it doesn't even make sense because they're like we need an invisibility right for hot chicks.
20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're going to make the hot chicks invisible.
20:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That what are you doing?
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: What do we talk?
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe that meant themselves invisible so they could go in like locker rooms and shit, like weird or purverts?
20:26
[SPEAKER_01]: probably.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even understand their mission here because I feel as though I think what their mission is is that they want to be taken seriously and he won't expect, but they have their white board.
20:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like hot chicks, gorillas or something like, I think the lie, it's summed up when Jonathan says, we're not killers, we're crime lords.
20:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like notoriety, like, okay, you know, in home alone how the bandets, they're like, oh, we want, we want a name, we want to be like the wet bandets or whatever, like, I think they just want notoriety.
21:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's literally all they want, but I think they're also too scared, too want, too like for their own names to be associated with this because of Buffy.
21:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they want notoriety, but under like, you know, and not the loser trio, obviously.
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But a name.
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So then where does like wanting to get rid of Buffy come into because that she will inevitably stop them is what their concern is because right they can do all this like joker penguin bullshit you know what I mean.
21:39
[SPEAKER_01]: like the goal is not to kill the slayer like every other villain that we've had here.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Their goal is to gain notoriety and the only and like probably get money, get checks, whatever.
21:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But then where does Buffie come into all of this?
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's specific because she will stop them if they're criminals.
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy doesn't even give a shit about bank robbery.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: She cares about demons and like coming up and stealing the world and like vampires like she doesn't care about typical like
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: crimes or white collar crimes like she's not here trying to save everybody from tax fraud like I don't understand why and so it's like it's a waste of time on my screen and it's too silly for me especially for I was expecting this season to be really sad and depressing and dark and having to like go I like go through the motions of like
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Cracking Buffy's Psychological.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: issues and then we're dealing with an invisibility, right?
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what the fuck is happening here?
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think a couple thoughts.
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they don't, right, you're right.
23:05
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to kill Buffy.
23:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they want to like subdue Buffy.
23:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they want to like knock her off her game so that they can continue to fuck around and do what they want and get notoriety.
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think because they, they know her and she, and more importantly, she knows them.
23:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she recognizes two of the three of them.
23:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think they're nervous that like, they don't want her to catch on that it's, it's them.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think that they would like, hey, Buffy, you know what's from high school?
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've always been losers.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to steal this diamond to make some money and try to pick up chicks.
23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that cool?
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're not trying to like,
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: kill humans or like rule the world's like really did they end up killing that security guard with the freeze where I don't know if he died he might have died.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he just defrosted with hell in his file.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like I and I'm sure Buffy was like okay as long as you don't mess with like the actual safety of Sunnydale.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like yeah like of course like you know stealing is not safe
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Buffy would be like, okay, this is like too small.
24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was for me.
24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I can't.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have time to deal with these petty crimes.
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just stupid.
24:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to be under a certain level of radar.
24:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they can't go too crazy with the crimes because then they'll be on Buffy's radar.
24:34
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think in terms of the silliness,
24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: of the loose or trio and how it doesn't necessarily drive with the tone of the depression stuff Buffy is going through.
24:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think it's by design.
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it necessarily works, but like I do think it's by design because if we are spending the majority of season six.
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: dealing with the repercussions of buffy dying and coming back to life and being different and feeling depressed and anxious and trying to like get over the death of her mom and the fact that she has to parent her sister now and if we're dealing with all of that very heavy emotional internal conflict.
25:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the show still wants there to be external conflict, but I don't think the show wants the external conflict to be as dark and like deep and heavy and so they choose to make it more buoyant by picking this loser trio of like somewhat recognizable faces who are kind of bumbling idiots who don't necessarily get, they're not the smartest, they're not like evil geniuses.
25:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the show is doing that on purpose because they want levity, um, incorporated into the season.
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think totally it doesn't always work because it's very jarring to go from like buffy is struggling and suffering and then we have these morons with like an invisibility ray like fighting and calling these other penises.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it just doesn't necessarily
26:08
[SPEAKER_02]: tonally fit together.
26:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not like, I'm not like bothered by them necessarily.
26:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't hate them.
26:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's fun that it's recognizable faces to at three at least.
26:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that part I enjoy.
26:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think like, my patients is wearing a little thin with them, I think.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that, okay.
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So I totally agree with you.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like your analysis
26:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is totally correct?
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I want to go to like, you know, are they actually dangerous?
26:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't they Jonathan's dangerous.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that the brother is dangerous.
26:49
[SPEAKER_02]: However, robot guy, Donovan, Warren, Warren is the, Jonathan is the, is the one guy, um, Donovan, Jonathan aka Doyle from Gilmore Girls.
27:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's Warren who's the robot builder.
27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Tucker's brother is the third guy, whose name couldn't tell you.
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Warren, Warren, I do think is dangerous.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that his ambitions are different from his buddies.
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see him becoming a real problem.
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just Jonathan and the other one, kind of, kind of,
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: dragged into it.
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So because like he's always wants to take everything like a step further.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see him maybe like breaking off and like doing his own mission.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Jonathan is like you know, this is not what I wanted.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not what I thought we were doing this for and the winds up because this show fucking like comes hard for Jonathan.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: them being like giving Jonathan the like I saved the day at it towards the end of like I'm going to switch size work with Buffy Buffy.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like yeah where he's at what his mission is like kind of trying to help the situation so that like he can be redeemed.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that makes a lot of sense once again this show loves Jonathan they keep bringing him back.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I think bringing back in season seven I swear with God.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I'm sick of this fucking
28:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and to your point, like, he is the one who's like, Warren, we're not trying to kill Buffy.
28:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's not what we're trying to do.
28:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And Warren is the one who has the gone, like, changed on a certain level where it'll basically like cause Buffy to like, combust or something like turn.
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He Jonathan is the one who seems the most, just like,
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Just once the superstar version of himself, like he just wants to be famous, he doesn't want to hurt anybody.
28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he has a soft spot for Buffy that I don't think Warren has.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that number three is kind of like go with the flow guy.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think like he's the one in the brother house that will, it's like whoever, you know, the thing like whoever meets with you the last.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that you're going to vote for or whatever.
29:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You
29:17
[SPEAKER_02]: He's there because they needed a third.
29:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be real.
29:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You need a trio.
29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's there because you need a trio.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like whoever gets to him last is whatever plan he's going to go with.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's yeah, he's like very cockroach.
29:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just going to survive.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a sheep.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not worried about him.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Warren is a problem.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, yeah.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, definitely going to be the one that pushes all of this a bit too far.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: The Jonathan is going to get his little winner, winner moment, his little hero moment at the end.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be like, gag me.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, and I think like, you know, like the different mechanics, I think, you know, like I said, the freeze ray, the invisibility ray, I like how that they had a purpose for the diamond.
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that that whenever they bring something back from episodes prior, I'm like, oh, okay, there was a point in this show is very, very good with this, um,
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: We see that with the really heavy hammer in season five coming.
30:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I really enjoy when the show plans to see and we like circle back to it.
30:33
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a purpose for stealing the giant diamond.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, so yeah, like I think that.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that this is just I think that once again, I probably have like a higher capacity of like, I was expecting.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I said this like the book five, the depression book that whole book, he was sad the entire time.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't doing silly bits, you know, he was wine, I was expecting order of the Phoenix and not.
31:10
[SPEAKER_01]: done this.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm yeah.
31:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's let's start talking a little bit about Buffy and kind of her reaction to all of this.
31:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll leave her in spike for for last.
31:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So the beginning of the episode, we're dealing with the social worker stuff.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, they're coming to visit Buffy doesn't even know that like today is the day.
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: schooled on is still really upset at Willow and Buffy for everything with her arm.
31:46
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't like the throwing everything away.
31:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So Buffy isn't even aware that like today is the day the social worker is going to be showing off, which is really bad, like there's magic stuff all over the place.
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: The woman doesn't even know that Willow is living there.
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Like all of this is so bad, so, so, so bad.
32:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why...
32:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I have literally at least three calendars.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a calendar on my phone, I have a calendar on my fridge, I have a weekly calendar up my desk.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a slut for calendars.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I, so much so that if something's not on my calendar, then I'm like, I forget about it.
32:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it doesn't exist.
32:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would be so anal about something like this.
32:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't understand people that don't follow
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: The calendar cough cough my husband.
32:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He like literally was standing by the fridge the other day and he's like there ain't no way I have a dead disappointment next week and I was like
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: he had no idea I did because I put in my calendar when he told me and he was like it was like news that he never heard of before when he saw it on the calendar on the fridge which he never looks at he never looks at that calendar so even though this would drive me up every wall in existence I highlighted so like the calendar my walls like a monthly calendar I liked it pink for me
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: blue for him, green for both of us, different color for our baby and like so he isn't even need to look at any other color.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: All he has to do is look at blue and be like oh like blue is me or green because green is both of us, but blue is me.
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, glance at it once a week.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he looked at that calendar.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's never seen it before in his life and said, there ain't no way that I have a dense disappointment this week.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: What's
33:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Think I would actually murder him.
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am like you, I am a calendar queen.
33:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I live and die by my calendar reason being, if it's not on the calendar, in my brain, it doesn't exist.
33:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It's never gonna happen, there is nothing.
34:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when I am, this is the main reason to have a cell phone is to have a cell phone.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: because, like, truly, when I, I've had a lot of doctor's appointments, and so, like, I love to, if I'm, if it's an annual sort of an appointment, while I'm still there, I'm making my appointment for next year, because if I don't know, no way I'm going to a, remember, and b, want a fucking call.
34:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I need to make the appointment while I'm there, and while I'm there, I'm literally putting it into my Google calendar, which I can access from my phone, from my computer.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not an ad.
34:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But I might love it if you want.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't know if you do this, but like my I have different so like different calendars with big calendars and everything is color code is.
34:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, of course, everything is color coded.
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
34:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have birthdays in one color holidays and another.
34:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I have work stuff in one color.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I have like D&D games podcasts, everything.
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all color coded.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you have like will stuff sometimes.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have all of that.
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm stuck in my No will is responsible for his own shit the only stuff I have in my calendar for him is like if he tells me Oh, I'm gonna take except like this time off and so then it's like, okay, will's gonna be off these days So probably will to go do something.
35:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really the only thing I have of his in my calendar, um, because in my he's he's a grown ass man and he can handle his own calendar and not my responsibility.
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Adam is is a grown ass man.
35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he like is he takes such a care of me.
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not like he just doesn't it's just one of these the weeks.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've I've ton of tons of expots.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that this is it's like he
35:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he can't keep a calendar.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but like he if something is like status quo, then he shows up every time like he he knows like the podcast he has is not like he forgets, but it like.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: if it changes from Thursday to Tuesday, then he's like not showing up.
36:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, going back to Buffy.
36:08
[SPEAKER_02]: She has like no awareness that this is going to take place.
36:11
[SPEAKER_02]: The lady is on impressed.
36:13
[SPEAKER_02]: She's basically like you're going to be put on probation.
36:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm going to be checking in on you even more now.
36:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so when Buffy turned, so Buffy loses her mind.
36:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Buffy full on has a little bit of a
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: all of us have done this at some point.
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get a haircut.
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm losing my mind.
36:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get a haircut specifically because spike compliments her hair.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like, let's be real.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's specifically because spike compliments her hair.
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And he loves it.
36:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Goldie locks.
36:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He touches it.
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: He likes the way the light shines on it.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: At least she doesn't die it.
36:49
[SPEAKER_02]: She just cuts it.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw this episode or like when it first started, I was like looking at Buffy's hair.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, ooh, that's a wig.
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Very wiggy.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Very wiggy.
37:01
[SPEAKER_02]: They did a decent job.
37:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely not the worst wig I've seen, but I also too noticed.
37:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that looks fake.
37:07
[SPEAKER_02]: That does not look real.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just thicker than her normal hair.
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, I'd almost like I could see it being a little more like acrylicy, like it had that like acrylicy plastic you've looked to it.
37:19
[SPEAKER_02]: So she takes some scissors to her hair, which is like girl yikes.
37:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, immediately at least then goes to a hair salon to get it fixed.
37:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So good.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good job.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
37:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And the hair kind itself, I don't mind.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she, I, I, I rather her with long hair, but I hate it when people cut their hair, but I think it looks good.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I am curious to see in the next few episodes how she styles it, but I think that it is I like how it doesn't look very mommish because that's the issue is that when you get the haircut and sometimes we see
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: people transition to like the shorter hair.
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks very mommish.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: This looks very early odds like trendy girl.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is interesting because I know you hate when people cut their hair shorter.
38:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought you were going to come in here and hate it specifically because it's like shades of the hair cuts willow has happened.
38:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we really only saw it's
38:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we only saw like two scenes where we actually saw the hair because she was invisible for the majority of the episode.
38:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
38:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I think it's fine.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I wear a land as it's fine.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see it styled.
38:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it really wasn't.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It literally looked like they just cut a bunch of inches off her hair.
38:43
[SPEAKER_02]: They really didn't style it much.
38:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think my opinion on it will be determined by how it gets styled in the next few episodes.
38:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't mind it, I like a shorter haircut.
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So I generally am of the opinion of, yeah, do it, chop it, why not?
38:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think like the next episode, I'll have more opinion, you're right.
39:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we really didn't get to see it that much.
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I did see, I didn't really mind, especially because like she, when right before she got zapped and visible, she looks like pretty badass.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I forget what she was wearing, but like wearing like leather pants or something,
39:19
[SPEAKER_01]: She looks edgy which I think is kind of cool and I think like I feel I think that's the difference between willows styling and puppy styling where willow is best case scenario looking like she went to the run fair worst case scenario looks like a cabbage patch kid.
39:38
[SPEAKER_02]: This is so true though.
39:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so true.
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to say one thing about a beginning scene with Buffy and Willow.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the self-awareness from Buffy where she was just like, because I've been saying this for a really long time.
39:58
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I cannot believe I've been so blind to you, my best friend, struggling because I'm absorbed in my own stuff.
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel partially responsible, but she's not.
40:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But I really like that.
40:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really good self-awareness for her that, like, sometimes she really does get wrapped in to her own life and doesn't pay attention to specifically willow.
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like all of her friends, but specifically willow.
40:34
[SPEAKER_01]: There's there was a whole entire season almost where willow was in a relationship with Tara, another woman, and she was completely oblivious.
40:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that they had some really nice moments at the top of the episode and then again at the end of the episode where it's like we haven't seen them connecting much lately and so it was nice to see them kind of reconnect in that way and be able to kind of
41:02
[SPEAKER_02]: bond over their shared struggles that they're going through, granted, will it isn't know the entire story of what's happening with Buffy, but she knows enough of like coming back from the dead, being ripped out of heaven, right?
41:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so yeah, I want to talk through because that we get, again, there are some serious moments like the top of the episode, like the end of the episode, but then in the middle, we get like lots of silly bits.
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Um yeah, it turns invisible.
41:34
[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing she does is take this lady's like studded baseball cap frozen in the garbage and is basically like I'm the fashion police and you suck.
41:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's feels the the metermaids a little car.
41:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what those things are called, but his little his little get away wagon She steals that And then she goes to Doris who is the like seat base of the CPS the social worker person Yeah, and she makes this lady think that she's losing her mind
42:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really blame Buffy for this because she really fucked up that meeting and I was like she meaning Buffy fucked up the meeting.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy fucked up.
42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, Buffy fucked up with meaning like I don't even know I think it was I think the turning point was the giant bag of weed that was found I think that even if Page right Magic weed Say it sage girl Like what are you doing?
42:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's what I'm saying.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's like stupid sometimes not what you think it is It's magic weed.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like as if that would be better.
42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so
42:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like if any social worker, even if every other thing goes right, even if she didn't stutter over who's living with her and like lying throughout it, which I don't know why she would do anyway.
42:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she didn't deny the fact that like she that spike is like a close friend or a partner or whatever, like in stumbles around that is clearly lying.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I like you know,
43:14
[SPEAKER_01]: in a short amount of time with the social worker that like I don't really think like move the needle too much but as soon as you find the giant bag of not weed but magic weed then you're fucked like you're not like if you find drugs in your house but yeah like you're not even going to say like oh that's like a regular or that sage is just magic weed like what the fuck
43:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so just like be smarter about what you're saying.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, yeah, like she fucked up this meaning really bad.
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: The stakes are high.
43:46
[SPEAKER_01]: She's now on probation.
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the dawn's grades are declining.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: She's absent a lot.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She's late a lot.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: She has literally caught leaving for school late again.
44:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like,
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the puppy is doing a bad job.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's doing the best that she can.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And Don is not exactly helping the situation.
44:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Don could like get up earlier and like take like be a little bit more responsible.
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Don is eight years old.
44:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Don is 15, 16.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She can help this along a little bit, make this a little bit easier, show up to school, not cut.
44:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay in school.
44:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I would a thousand percent do this.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I would try to save my ass here and I don't even blame Buffy for this.
44:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I really I think it's less so that she is saving her own ass.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is like
44:47
[SPEAKER_02]: the way she's doing it where like it's definitely played for laughs.
44:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like silly bits.
44:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It's oh, she's going to like move Lady's coffee mug and like whisper in her ear and then do like all work and no play makes Doris a dull girl over and over and over again and like basically ruin this lady's life a little bit like make her think she's going crazy, make her like make put her job in jeopardy.
45:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I truly feel like she could have accomplished the same goal of getting a second chance or delaying something or whatever, without having to do what she does, like she could have shredded the paper work.
45:25
[SPEAKER_02]: She could, you know what I mean?
45:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, take the file, like, there are so many other ways to do this without making Doris think that she's fall on losing her mind and like, again, like,
45:36
[SPEAKER_02]: she's so casual about the whole thing like she's pulling pranks and then she's doing this and it's like this is fucking serious Buffy like Don can get taken from you like I don't think she's treating it with much seriousness and the show has an explanation it's not like they're doing this without saying why Buffy is acting this way it's because she wants a vacation from who she is but it just was
46:06
[SPEAKER_01]: that I see that I think that it is irresponsible, you know what I mean?
46:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's childish because I don't know because it just is.
46:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you're rightly there's probably like a better way for her to accomplish the same thing.
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like exactly what she could have done to get Doris off the case, which is actually what she needed, like she needed.
46:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like she needed to lose the paperwork, delete the files.
46:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't she have like replaced the file with like everything is good here, blah, blah, blah, blah, like it doesn't matter because Doris is going to have to do follow-up appointments.
46:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's going to have, she's going to remember.
46:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess so, yeah, unless she's like us and doesn't have it in her calendar, and then it gets exists.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what she needed was to be taken off the case, which is what the goal was accomplished.
46:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I suppose I personally can't think of a way to do it off the top of my head.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Then she needed a redo.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what she needed actually and that I'm so bad.
47:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't keep out.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: She needed Willow to do the.
47:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, yes.
47:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We needed.
47:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
47:16
[SPEAKER_02]: No, then the whole world is going to forget.
47:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Willow doesn't know how to control a single person's memory, but she does.
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: She has a lot of evidence to doing it.
47:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just that more advanced spell when she's doing multiple times.
47:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She honestly, she needed Willow to do the forget spell.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, messy.
47:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so far wrong.
47:34
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're right.
47:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right, shit.
47:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, so that she have a redo.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, I have a good, a good time.
47:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It's too bad that vampirism doesn't work in the show like it does in vampire diaries because in vampire diaries you can like compel people to do what you want.
47:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just by like staring deeply into their eyes.
47:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So she could have had spike just go over and be like everything is fine.
47:59
[SPEAKER_02]: She's in a loving home.
48:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, are you kidding me?
48:03
[SPEAKER_01]: We do have one person that can do that and it's Dracula.
48:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's true.
48:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, where's the Dracula?
48:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you?
48:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you?
48:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You do it, too.
48:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He's top for Buffy.
48:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he comes up.
48:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So before we get into Buffy and Spike, I want to talk about her interaction with Dawn, where she's again, very silly bits.
48:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, look what I could do with the pizza.
48:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It's floating.
48:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm invisible, and Dawn gets really upset.
48:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, do you even care?
48:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can be stuck like this and you're making jokes.
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And like,
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like part of this also is stemming from the the car accident, like I think Don is still very much like obviously she holds Willow was responsible.
48:43
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think in part Blaine's Buffy because, you know, it's Buffy's friend.
48:48
[SPEAKER_02]: She's interesting Willow with the care of Don.
48:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she's concerned that Buffy isn't taking this seriously now.
48:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, like, like you said before, Dawn could be getting up earlier, eating a good breakfast, like getting off to school on time, like, there are things that Dawn can do to actively help the situation that she's not, but I also think it's a case of like, Dawn doesn't want to have to be her own parent.
49:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she is like holding Buffy responsible for some of this stuff while also
49:20
[SPEAKER_02]: feeling resentful of Buffy that Buffy now has to be her parent, not her sister.
49:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure there's also an aspect that she just misses Joyce.
49:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I really feel for Dawn.
49:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I really really do.
49:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like she is the one who is struggling and suffering and is going largely unnoticed that that is happening to her unlike Willow and Buffy, right?
49:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I think their suffering is getting a lot of attention
49:48
[SPEAKER_02]: in a very unfortunate way.
49:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I've really enjoyed Dawn as character.
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, yeah, I totally hear you.
49:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, I think that Dawn is probably struggling almost the most.
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she is having like a really hard time and I feel like she's a little bit of like a,
50:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm talking about invisible.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like at times like she's like a little bit invisible to everybody else and I think like a part that we're not thinking about is if
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow, if Buffy takes it, okay, so she's like upset with Willow because she put her herself in a dangerous situation, but she's also upset with Willow because of the Tara stuff and like that breakup, which means that she had like a family for a little bit of time of like Tara, Willow and herself when Buffy was dead, then she had a little bit of a family to try to make up for the joy situation of Tara, Willow and Buffy and that felt safe now
50:56
[SPEAKER_01]: the Willow and Tara break up happen.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: She loses Tara, Tara's out of the house.
51:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't help but think of, you know,
51:06
[SPEAKER_01]: of Dawn feeling a little upset about Willow about that.
51:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But then also putting herself in a dangerous situation.
51:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But then she's upset because Buffy is taking away Willow's magic shit, which it's things that she lays.
51:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But then in her mind, I can't help but wonder,
51:26
[SPEAKER_01]: If Dawn is feeling like, wow, if we take away all this shit from Willow is Willow going to leave us to and then that's another person in my family and my core group, the only people that I have that I'm going to lose and I think that for Somebody that's dealing with loss that young I think like every single person that leaves you.
51:50
[SPEAKER_01]: in whatever capacity, whether it's death or they have to physically go like jiles, or they don't want to be in your group anymore or there's a breakup or whatever, I think like every single loss, you become very sensitive to people potentially leaving you.
52:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a really good point about Tara.
52:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't really thought too much about the fact that like, yeah, Don and Tara were close.
52:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and I spent, I'm sure they grew even closer in the time that Tara was living with her, like after Buffy dies.
52:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's,
52:28
[SPEAKER_02]: really unfortunate I think there's way too much change happening in instability happening for Dawn at the current moment and I think she's recognizing that Buffy isn't is both not helping her but also not helping herself like Buffy you're invisible and you're not taking it seriously at all that like you
52:50
[SPEAKER_02]: This could be permanent like you're just fucking around.
52:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it's funny because I don't want to lose you to like it's a trip a trauma response is how to react to this because she's like I can't see you.
53:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where you are.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you'll come back and it's just like another.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm going to lose you to again.
53:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, yeah, Dawn, I think is like having like a very traumatic moment.
53:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I, she's my prime example of like a person in 10.
53:26
[SPEAKER_01]: 15 years is going to have magic of major anxious attachment style guys everybody leaves her and find somebody and who's like, are you going to stay will you stay I don't think you'll stay like I just think that this is just someone that is put in this is so like armchair expert and I'm really sorry for that, but I can't help to see because.
53:50
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my trauma, too.
53:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Who was coming from inside the house?
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Who would have expected?
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like these are things of like people just leaving or dying or whatever.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like whoever you
54:08
[SPEAKER_01]: stays winds up staying you try to grasp onto with every life of your being and that my friends is how you end up in a love less 16 year relationship.
54:20
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
54:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of relationships.
54:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
54:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, speaking of relationships, we have some more stuff happening between a buffie and spike.
54:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I did want to briefly note the previously on voiceover thing was different.
54:35
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode, I don't know if you noticed.
54:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice.
54:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like it.
54:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was really weird.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So jiles is usually the one in a previously on buffie.
54:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says previously, and then we get spikes voice saying last night changed things.
54:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what is happening?
54:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like what are we doing here?
54:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is exactly like in pretty little liars when it wasn't just Arya doing the shush noise and the thing everybody the shush noise, they need to stop with that we can't do that, like that very much.
55:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't like change like what's going on here, I don't even think also one more thing I hated the voice over.
55:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that puppy did throughout because you even when she was like talking to like Zander and Ania in the shop because you could hear the she recorded it in a studio.
55:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on set.
55:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was really weird.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me of so many references and anti M when Tara.
55:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Tara Tyra would come in and like re-record her audio for something.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you can hear the different.
55:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I hated that and I didn't like it here.
55:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm just just my feelings thought to be feelings.
55:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Buffy finds spikes zip a lighter.
55:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and she originally throws it in like the box of like magic stuff that they're getting rid of, but then she obviously goes back and takes it because he comes looking for it.
55:53
[SPEAKER_02]: She accuses him of like, oh, you're just doing this to see me.
55:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that's part of it.
55:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but
55:59
[SPEAKER_02]: He is doing the thing where he is like getting all up in her face, basically taunting her, of like, you know you like me, and she is doing the thing, and you get away from me, don't even look at me.
56:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you're hair, Goldilocks Goldilocks.
56:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He does find this
56:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Bitch, girl.
56:20
[SPEAKER_02]: She is taking trophies from her conquest, and this is so, this is so, like, team, lusting after, like, oh, I'm going to carry your little zipliner around with me, like,
56:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop, Buffy.
56:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, just be with him then.
56:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, stop it.
56:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop.
56:40
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a simp.
56:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's a soul.
56:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
56:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
56:44
[SPEAKER_01]: She's so obsessed with him.
56:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
56:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so irritating.
56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: We say, ah, it's okay.
56:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
56:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a problem.
56:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely a problem.
56:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she keeps his hippo lighter and I love that he like winds up finding it anyway on her and he's like, I'm just probably felt it with his dick when he had it pressed up against her leg.
57:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess so.
57:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I'm just going to take what I came for and leave by Goldilocks because she's like, don't call me love.
57:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
57:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what do you want me to call you?
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You want me to call you?
57:23
[SPEAKER_02]: or like goodbye love like and you know he laid it anyway you're right like he really does like now kind of have the upper hand over her yeah because he knows she likes him back and just won't admit it and it's like there is something freeing about being the one who has said how you feel and you're not
57:43
[SPEAKER_02]: you're not trying to lie, you're not to yourself or others, like you're not hiding anything, right?
57:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not hiding anything.
57:51
[SPEAKER_02]: She is and she just won't admit this to herself or him.
57:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when she's invisible, naturally she finds herself at spikes, crept because she literally always ends up there anyway, even when she's not invisible.
58:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And what was she going to say?
58:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she was like, oh, I'm going to just haunt you for the fun of it.
58:09
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you want to catch it.
58:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We can compromise in positions.
58:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Alexander did later.
58:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
58:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, so she like rips a shirt open.
58:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like James Marsters like is shirtless for like 95% of his scenes now.
58:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, like, if this was a contract negotiation, like, I just, every time he shirtless, Sarah, I can't help, but like, in my head, I'm like, this is what the fans want it.
58:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they're just playing fan service for all of the like spike stands, the girls who were like thirsting after him for so many seasons.
58:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And it pulls me out of it every time.
58:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know why.
58:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just, it's like, that's the first thing that pops in my brain when he shirtless, you know?
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: What it'd be more interesting to you if he was hot, though.
58:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like that would really move the needle for me.
59:00
[SPEAKER_01]: If he came out and he was like big and burly and like hairy and just like honestly just like the brawny paper towel man and he's not just sure that I would like fuck yeah like okay let's go.
59:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the issue is that he is like 90s, early odds like
59:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, growing pot.
59:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Emaciated, like, like, you know, Victorian ghost childhood.
59:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, maybe I'm trying to think because like, well, and I just watched the most recent Bridgerton season.
59:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what it is?
59:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I think it's expectation versus reality.
59:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what it is.
59:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Because when I watch something like he did rivalry or Bridgerton or like any shows like that, I'm like, I'm expecting to see
59:49
[SPEAKER_02]: but an abs, like I'm expecting to get some thirst traps.
59:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Six seasons into Buffy, I'm not expecting to have a bunch of shirtless men walking around.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not what I'm expecting.
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, you have the Riley stuff like whatever.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't know, I don't know, like I just, maybe I think I'm just not expecting it.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And so every time it just like throws me off a little bit and she sees the only what that's no one else that's shirtless, you know, like I mean, I guess we're not going to make the underdo it, but like I think that.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that Riley had some of I think like it's just like, hey, like your our guy now you're going to have to bite the bullet and like be a little undressed and because like that's what the teen girls want.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I want, but once again, like if he was a man that I was attracted to, then maybe I would be long for differently about it.
1:00:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, look at him and I'm like, well, never one, like, abs don't do anything for me ever.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And it never has.
1:01:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I just feel like it's more so for the male gaze and the female gaze.
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Show me dunk literally all day, like show me a dunk, show me a thick ass thigh, like show me so many other things.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I rather like just a guy have like more like me on him, you know, like that's just my preference.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You just know your type.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but just fine.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not everybody's guys.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So I
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that bothered by the spike shirtless thing because I don't look because it's not attractive to me.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, like he's shirtless who gives a fuck.
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So she rips a shirt open.
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows it's her once she starts like kissing him and whatever.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we,
1:01:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Sandra walks in and we see spike and they're able to do this because Buffy is invisible.
1:01:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We see spike on the bed under the sheets humping the air.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this does work for me because I thought it was hilarious.
1:02:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I just was like, what are we doing?
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, uh, and Zander doesn't realize what's going on because he's and her and, you know, she's moaning.
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_02]: She's making noise.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only is she making noise, and this is where I was like, okay, we're really going there.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when he catches them and spike is in the middle of having a conversation with Zander about Buffy, Buffy is like nibbling his ear.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You see his ear moving.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was absolutely ridiculous.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't even like a comical thrust.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, I, like, he was like motion with the oceaning in the air.
1:02:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't even, he wasn't like Jack hammering.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, it was a very, there was thrusting, yeah.
1:02:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There was very deliberate thrusting.
1:02:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, boy, this is ridiculous.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And combined with like the moaning voices coming in from not the scene, but once again, like, yeah, we're productive.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just so ridiculous.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Zander comes in, they get like walked in on.
1:03:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just like, oh, yeah, I'm exercising.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, I
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I feel like Zander would be like, no bro, you're like humpin' the pillow.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like pulling a JD van, but oh, okay, no, I know.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel as though, like he's, I would be like you're clearly masturbating and good, good on you.
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're, you can do that, but it was.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so stupid and Zander didn't know.
1:03:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Not like Zander's like, no, it's a huge boy.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had no idea what was going on.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And after Zander leaves, like, Buffy thinks this is so funny.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I don't know.
1:03:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if I heard my friend of like eight years moaning, I think I could determine you know, and then like who did he think was making those noises?
1:04:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I don't know.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no clue.
1:04:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, use your brains, and are like, the whole crypt was a mess.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You see this guy fucking the air.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what do you?
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it was so stupid.
1:04:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Spike is upset because Buffy is like having fun with all of this.
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But he knows the only reason she's here is because she's invisible.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_02]: The only reason she's finding this funny is because
1:04:30
[SPEAKER_02]: they're still a secret and he basically is like, well, sooner or later they're going to figure out how to get you back to normal.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So you need to go get dressed if you can find your clothes like because if I can't have all of you and then like she likes ox's dick but like
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_02]: He's tired of this.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He, no one wants to, we've talked about this with the Ania Zander thing, with the proposal and all that.
1:04:55
[SPEAKER_02]: No one wants to be a secret.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not fun.
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, like, painful and mean.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And she called him convenient last episode.
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just don't like this.
1:05:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it just feels cruel.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, this is spike we're talking about.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But even still, he still has
1:05:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, I have a question, like, if you don't have a soul, do you even have feelings?
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I do agree with you that Spike has feelings, I mean, big feelings.
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge feelings.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, if I don't understand how he has feelings, if he has zero percent soul, it seems a little stuff.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that works.
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:05:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems a little, it seems a little sus, but I, yeah.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that being having the secret
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_01]: the first few weeks and then afterwards, it's just hurtful.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that Buffy, yeah, I don't know if it's because he's a vampire.
1:05:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's because she has like a history of being like really disconnected from her partners, but she doesn't give a shit about how it's making spike feel.
1:06:10
[SPEAKER_01]: to be kept the secret and it hurts him and talking about like these characters trauma like obviously spike has like relationship trauma as well about not being valued and appreciated and taken like a equal partner should and I think it it's
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It taps into those old wounds for him as well and he we know that he's kind of a relationship guy.
1:06:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what he likes having his partner ship.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, I, I call a little sus if he's supposed to be absolutely soulless.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_01]: um why he has these feelings or how, but uh this show is giving us the rope because Dala like was really like I'm like afraid like I'm not going to even have any feeling towards this baby at all once it comes out because I won't have like a human inside me anymore, you know like the you know she was like I feel like I think that like somebody like drew and somebody like
1:07:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Darla are very different vampires from Spike, but we're supposed to be told that Spike is just a vampire like one in the rest of them, but he's always had bigger feelings than the rest of them.
1:07:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, oh no, there's something to be said, there's something there.
1:07:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, could be the chip doing something, could be the fact that Buffy is no longer a hundred percent human based on the fact that he can hurt her, like I don't know how many of that works with this.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely interesting and something I'm keeping my eye on.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like over Buffy being
1:08:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It, it just feels like, again, it's all about the balance and the fact that because he loves her and she knows it, she holds a certain amount of power over him.
1:08:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what she's doing is pretty cruel, like just like casually showing up and fucking him and then leaving and like not telling anyone treating him like a dirty little secret, like it just, it stopped being cute and I
1:08:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, very fair.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, we end the episode with like Buffy and Willow taking down the loser trio, at least stopping them for now.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Buffy is now visible again.
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_02]: She now knows who's been like pranking her and, you know, as aware, at least two of the three.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I don't fucking know who this other guy is, but he's here.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and her and Willow have a little bit of like a chat about how their days went and basically Buffy says that when she got Zander's message about turning into pudding, like, and the fact that she could die, she did actually get scared, which is good because she wants to live now.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So like that's something that's that's that's a huge something.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_01]: uh something different than what she was saying like five episodes ago while you have a whole ass uh farm over there who have all the dogs.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_02]: The dogs we are recording at a time that is different than normal and so the dogs are raging in a way that is fairly not conducive for podcasting.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You better go see.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, so it's, uh, good.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess like she wants to live.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, she's still working through a lot of shit and Willow is like, I did it.
1:09:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I got through the day.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was hard, but I did it.
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so we're moving in the right direction with her, but who knows when it's right, Amy shows back up.
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Who the fuck knows what's going to happen with Willow, you know?
1:09:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I will see.
1:10:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I still don't totally trust it, but I think that again, like you said, progress isn't always linear.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So like we could see her fall back into some bad habits.
1:10:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to rank the Buffy characters first or talk through the little bit of, okay, let's do that.
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's rank the Buffy characters.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_01]: This one I think was like one of my harder ones.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I really struggle and I'm still struggling and I don't even know if I got it right because I definitely don't feel like I got my right, but like it's my gut instinct of where I land right now and I very much tried to
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_02]: take into account all of the 11 episodes that we've seen, not necessarily just the most recent ones.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was trying to take into account where we are in the season so far, because I do think like there are some, there are characters who are listening strong reactions in both directions.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm trying to like keep in mind the whole story, you know?
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I can go first, at the very bottom of my list, surprising nobody is willow.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Girlie Pop has been on my shit list and she remains to be on my shit list until she gets her shit together.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like what she's been up to.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_02]: One episode doesn't cure an entire season long arc of her being a fucking moronic overpowered idiot.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is where she lands at the very
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how I feel about this, but it's what I put on my list.
1:11:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I put on ya, and it's because she has been relegated to simply talking about her wedding.
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think that's kind of boring and reductive and like the show hasn't given her anything else to do.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she colons the magic shop with Giles.
1:11:48
[SPEAKER_02]: She's obsessed with money.
1:11:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so one note, or like five note, but we're playing the same five notes over and over again.
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I trust one's something else for her to do.
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm planning on her looks just so bad.
1:12:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Next on the list, and again, this is, I'm gonna say, I maybe I should give a caveat that like this whole rankings list is a product of what the writers are giving us.
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I love these characters, but this is how they're writing them.
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this is where I'm forced to put them.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's because I have such a bad taste in my mouth for how they wrote him off the show.
1:12:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't sit right with me.
1:12:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel right.
1:12:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel like jiles.
1:12:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel like something he'd do.
1:12:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like a pissport excuse to like get him off the show.
1:12:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't like it.
1:12:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he would have done it.
1:12:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he'd still be here because Buffy needs him.
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of these characters need him around.
1:12:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not here.
1:12:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And that sucks.
1:12:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason I think I didn't put him even lower
1:12:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It just like filled my heart so much like I just felt like his role in that really bumped him up a little bit.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, next I have Zander.
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels kind of low, first the ender at the moment.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I feel like we've seen a lot of Zander growth, but we're still in this episode.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought in particular it was really great for Zander, but I do want more for him and
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_02]: The beginning of the season, Bich would not tell people he was engaged and I didn't forget how much that pissed me off.
1:13:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that seriously did pissed me off.
1:13:24
[SPEAKER_02]: If not for that, I swear he'd probably be top three for me.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_02]: But don't fucking push off the whole engagement thing.
1:13:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so annoying, that really, really, really annoyed me.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I want more for him, I want more of a storyline for him and I didn't like the whole not mentioning the proposal thing.
1:13:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Next time I listen to Buffy, she's at four.
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm irritated with her right now.
1:13:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So she probably could be lower.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_02]: However, I felt like the start of the season and what she was going through was so compelling and like so sad.
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love to like her going, Spike is the only one who understands, like her feeling just a lie to everyone.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I just really liked that storyline.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like there's so much to it.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why she ended up being a little bit higher.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I have Spike.
1:14:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel first bike, like I can't help it.
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel so bad for him.
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I think his storyline is really interesting.
1:14:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that he stuck around, even when Buffy was gone.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, just think there's so much there with this character.
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I have Dawn, I feel so much for Dawn.
1:14:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I could have put her in the top spot, honestly.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I went back and forth.
1:14:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I still could probably.
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want so much for her.
1:14:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like she's being neglected.
1:14:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want people to be paying attention
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the top spot, I have the smartest scooby around.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And who knows if she's even a scooby anymore?
1:14:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she's on and bite into any of the meetings.
1:14:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's Tara.
1:14:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Tara is the only one who has Willow's number, who's like, you're fucking doing magic too much, who's making the weird-sized pancakes for Dawn.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like,
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_02]: She is reliable and I love that about her and I want more from her.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like her singing in the musical episode was incredible, her song, her storyline.
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really enjoying what we're getting from Tara.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I just we were getting a little bit more.
1:15:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I want more Tara.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's my rankings and it's crazy and it's a gut instinct.
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having a very difficult time doing my rankings this season.
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's ultimately where I landed.
1:15:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard.
1:15:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is because I
1:15:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally, I'm going crazy.
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I had one, I had a rankings.
1:15:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I completely just changed them, not totally influenced by you, because we are so far off from being similar.
1:15:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, we've gone back and forth between being exactly the same and being like very, very different.
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm just, I'm having, I'm having some moments of difficulty with this.
1:16:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my bottom is it's so it hurts me to see this, but it's on ya, I just feel as though like girls give me nothing and it's not her fault, but it's just like what I see, I'm just like, okay, like we're doing the best like we're doing the only other thing it's just like not us.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine as he used to be and that sucks because I really like the character like she was like our favorite for season four or five.
1:16:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which one, but she was like our favorite.
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she was such a great.
1:16:40
[SPEAKER_01]: She is a great addition.
1:16:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she really really is, but I just am not loving her so far this season.
1:16:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Next, I have done and the reason is I feel bad for her, but I'm not enjoying like watching her like be sad and like I don't know like I don't like I and I love all of these characters still so it was not like I like just like her by any means it's just like I don't know like the stuff that like she's given is just like
1:17:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's just it's just not strong character stuff.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of like I'm reacting to everybody else and I feel I feel very, very, very bad for her, but it's just not like an enjoyable thing to watch her go through.
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_01]: abandonment stuff.
1:17:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I don't know, I'd like the episode that she had where she got to like be a teenager and go out with like those guys.
1:17:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I thought that I think like I would like a little bit more of that.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But like when we see her go off and do stuff like we don't get to really see it.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't really have her own stuff.
1:17:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, it's very like I'm going to respond to all these things surrounding me.
1:17:59
[SPEAKER_01]: instead of her gang, her own storyline, kind of, I don't know if that's about read or what.
1:18:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Next, I'm gonna put Tara and the reason is still like, she just, when I see her, which is on my screen, I really like it, I think that she's the most level headed.
1:18:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that,
1:18:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She is doing a great job with Dawn, but these two characters just feel like these are our sub characters and we're gonna just like slap them together sometimes and like try to like make them do stuff It's just like it's the same complaint that I've had from Dawn at room from Tara the whole time It's like they don't give her the actor enough
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do like her this season better than other seasons because I think that she's been given more of a personality, but compared to like I still do like who do I enjoy watching like who like that's kind of how I do it like who am I like enjoying.
1:19:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of where Tara's landing, next up, I just switched it because of the statement that I just made, but I put Buffy here and I think it's because.
1:19:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested in the stuff earlier in the season of her like struggling with um having getting brought back, but then like she's acting out a little and she's acting stupid too like with this
1:19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: This most recent thing of like the CPS worker and like she still doesn't have a job like girl like what do you like how do you think that you're in support her for all this time so I'm also still kind of sour we didn't get to see like her experience but.
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_01]: in the afterlife of course it sounds like she was just like a little bit like a floaty and like we weren't able to see much which is actually pretty disappointing because of the stories that like we built up in our heads preseason.
1:20:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of just feel like that's where like Buffy lives.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to put Giles next because I think he gets the bump of like I really mess him, but the scenes that he did have really, really worked for me.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think my favorite Buffy and Giles, my favorite Buffy seasons are the ones that were with Giles the season.
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_01]: This mother, this father, daughter thing really, really, really, really, really worked for me.
1:20:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that it really pulled at my heartstrings and
1:20:41
[SPEAKER_01]: um, I really feel his absence and it hurts my heart.
1:20:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I also hurts my heart that there is a great possibility that at this end of the season when we do our rankings, he won't even be on this list and that hurts me too.
1:20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
1:20:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now I have,
1:21:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that her behavior is so bad.
1:21:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so, so, so bad.
1:21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's so fun to watch her be a complete menace to society.
1:21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's my thing.
1:21:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I'm going to watch a show, I just, I don't care if she's rooting everybody's lives, including her own and being a complete menace.
1:21:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where Willow's
1:21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: horrible and I'm enjoying it so yeah like I mean like will I want to bring Willow home to like babysit my future child fuck no actually that's something I wanted to do last episode I wanted to do like who like the babysitting rankings like who do you want to babysit like a kid maybe we do that in one time but I don't want Willow to babysit my kid but I do want to watch
1:21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Next is Zander, I think that we need him because we need somebody that can actually focus and like pull the group together.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely understand the like he's the heart of the group comment.
1:22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that.
1:22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: he really like rains in the sheep.
1:22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think really need that.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm enjoying his character development of being like, I'm the adult now.
1:22:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, this is crazy.
1:22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I have spike number one.
1:22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of think half of it is that I feel bad for him.
1:22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like my little sad puppy.
1:22:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just like feel for him a lot of the times.
1:22:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that he's good comedic relief.
1:22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody that is really continue to be really interesting for me and I feel like we've just like scratched the surface of who spike is and I feel like that there's so much more to learn and figure out.
1:22:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he is the greatest potential of having like a complete.
1:23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: arc of like I'm going to be like a full body character.
1:23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we're going to get that like redemption arc.
1:23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like he has the most potential and that's really exciting for me.
1:23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I just I like I like spike.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily like spike and puppy as like a one true pairing relationship forever like love eyes, but I like him and
1:23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I find it really entertaining and and honestly I changed the rankings as I was doing this as well.
1:23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how hard it is and how much it is.
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've changed the rankings like a billion times throughout this and that's this is what my heart is saying.
1:23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Jessica.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that we have such different opinions and I think we do are rankings of us closely differently in terms of like who we enjoy watching versus like my judgment with the characters.
1:24:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, judging.
1:24:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very judgey.
1:24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm never stopped.
1:24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if we didn't have willow here like doing her crazy shit with us even be an entertaining season.
1:24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
1:24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But this
1:24:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what like the loser trio and Buffy being sad, like I think there's I think there's me on the bones, but All right, let's do some courties corner the birthday episode.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's courties birthday.
1:24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you a quick rundown Sarah.
1:24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think I will say I think this is an episode.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That's worth you watching.
1:24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it like it feels number one.
1:24:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very courty focused, which I think you'll enjoy.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_02]: but also it feels important to the like lore and the storyline that we're doing this season.
1:24:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically what happens, it's Cordy's birthday.
1:24:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's getting her presence in a cake and everything.
1:25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: She has a vision.
1:25:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And once this vision like hits her really hard, we also see her like taking medication.
1:25:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, these like these visions are really like wearing and tearing on her health.
1:25:12
[SPEAKER_02]: When she has the vision, she basically like passes out and in so doing becomes like a ghost version of herself where she's like out of body, watching everything happen.
1:25:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But no one can see her here her, but they all are like, oh my god, we have to take care of
1:25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she basically meets the ghost of Christmas past named like Spike or something and he essentially was literally a spike.
1:25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not spike.
1:25:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like chip.
1:25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
1:25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It's something with some weird one-syllable name.
1:25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And she meets him and he's basically like
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: listen, you, your body as a human is not meant to contain this power.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we even got like a flashback to like Doyle kissing her and like in viewing her with the flash with the with the visions.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, you are going to die.
1:26:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you want these visions, your your body will die.
1:26:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you cannot handle this.
1:26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I can give you, he basically we flashback to like her first meeting angel at that party way back in like season one and he's like, there's a different path your life could have taken where you meet this like producer like director and become like a famous movie star like an actress.
1:26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:26:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she takes that.
1:26:32
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like sounds good.
1:26:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
1:26:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
1:26:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So then we get to see Courtney like have her own show and be super famous.
1:26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: However, during all of this, she's like something's not right.
1:26:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Like something feels weird.
1:26:42
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes to like the hotel, which is actually like a running hotel now.
1:26:47
[SPEAKER_02]: She like,
1:26:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, when she passed out, she wasn't able to relay the message of like this person needs help at this location to the rest of the group because she passed out.
1:26:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's like actively trying to get them that information in this alternative world, Angel got the visions from Doyle because Courtney never signed on to Angel Investigations, and Angel goes cookup banana pants because of it.
1:27:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Wesley and Garner still members of the team, but Wesley only has one arm and he looks pretty dirty and kind of like, you know, um, like he needs a shower and he only has one arm.
1:27:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And courty is like something is weird this whole time, like,
1:27:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And they definitely this episode feels like we are setting up Angel and Quarty like we are they are going to be together because when it's her birthday and he is giving her a gift he's up he wants to tell her something but like then the visions hit and all this other stuff happens and in her like alternative universe moment,
1:27:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And she visits Angel who's like losing his mind isn't like a padded room sort of a situation with these visions he's having because he can't sustain them.
1:28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: She kisses him and we see the power transfer just like when Doyle kissed her.
1:28:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when
1:28:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Chip shows back up and he's like, I told you, you can't handle this.
1:28:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, Angel is like, talk, trying to go to the powers that be and be like, take the powers away from courty like she's not strong enough and because he's like, ghost of Christmas past, this is what he shows courty, but it's very much like a,
1:28:28
[SPEAKER_02]: of misunderstanding, like it's like only, uh, it's out of context.
1:28:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's only like one section of what he actually says to the powers that be about courty.
1:28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And she ends up telling chip like, no, I need these powers.
1:28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I, it's important to me that I'm useful.
1:28:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I want these powers.
1:28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he says, well, the human body can't handle it.
1:28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to be part demon if you want them.
1:28:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she's like, okay, yeah, whatever.
1:28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: she wakes up out of this like coma that she's been in and she's so excited to be back she like literally pops out of bed like everything is normal and then they're like a cordy and she's floating in the air and that's how the episode ends so in my opinion we are definitely establishing like okay now that cordy isn't fully human or her
1:29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
1:29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: What a crazy episode.
1:29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I admittedly, I had like a crazy, like a really busy while and I just couldn't find the time to watch the angel episode and like we had, but this is bonkers.
1:29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's definitely worth watching mostly because it's cordy-focused, but also because I feel like it is an important episode, like in terms of what's going to be happening.
1:29:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's barely any of the, like, well, from heart stuff.
1:29:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's very angel group-focused.
1:29:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, which I think is a lot.
1:29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm, um, I'm very into this.
1:29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to watch this.
1:30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me the premise in the beginning sounded a lot like,
1:30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what book I read.
1:30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's the midnight library or a different book that's kind of like it.
1:30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you're dead and then you kind of see like different versions of what you wrote.
1:30:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the, I think, yeah, I think that might be the book.
1:30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It is midnight library does this, but there is also another book that there's tons of books that and I just can't remind me of my member, which when I read, but.
1:30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it sounded like that a little bit, but then like it kind of like goes a little way wire.
1:30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm really, I'm really excited to watch this episode.
1:30:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We also get like a cordy show theme song situation and it's really fun.
1:30:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I definitely think you enjoy the episode.
1:30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.
1:30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: How many.
1:30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: How old is Cordelia?
1:30:53
[SPEAKER_02]: How old is Cordelia?
1:30:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's the same age as Buffy now.
1:30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how old is Buffy?
1:30:58
[SPEAKER_01]: How old are our 21 22?
1:31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, do we know when her birthday is?
1:31:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, to figure out her birth chart I have no idea.
1:31:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when this takes place like I'm trying to think of what we've seen that is placed us in time When is Cordelia's birthday?
1:31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I should probably not do this Her birthday is when she becomes half a demon Yeah, but she can float now seven is she's cancer
1:31:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:31:37
[SPEAKER_01]: January or May.
1:31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's vague.
1:31:41
[SPEAKER_02]: That's on helpful.
1:31:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, maybe the listeners can hit us up and let us know.
1:31:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they know maybe they're going to set it out of a lot of different answers.
1:31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:31:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was what happened on a angel.
1:31:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So definitely check out that episode because I think you'd enjoy it.
1:31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, once again, like I just didn't have time to do it.
1:31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're fine.
1:31:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I just once I watch it, I was like, oh, Sarah will definitely like this one.
1:32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So sounds really good.
1:32:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Any spotting of baby
1:32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He's in the episode, yeah, Courtney wants to hold him, not much to do with baby Connor, but he's there.
1:32:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So next time, next week for Buffy, we have season six episode 12, the fucking title of this episode is so funny because before you say, I just want to tell a story.
1:32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
1:32:27
[SPEAKER_01]: picking the episode to watch and my eyes like quickly flashed on the title of the episode next.
1:32:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that can't be right.
1:32:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Silly me.
1:32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: What a fun story for me to tell Jessica about what I thought this episode title was.
1:32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what it says.
1:32:42
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this episode title?
1:32:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Double meat palace.
1:32:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, well, this sounds like a weird porno.
1:32:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what are we watching?
1:32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: What's a double meat palace?
1:32:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you see the picture that he knows what it is.
1:32:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't.
1:32:56
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, maybe I'm going to guess it's like a fast food restaurant.
1:32:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It's giving burger king.
1:33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't confirm nor deny.
1:33:04
[SPEAKER_02]: But OK, really pop does need a job.
1:33:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Double meat palace.
1:33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And then for angel.
1:33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did.
1:33:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It gives book a good burger.
1:33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:33:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Angel season three episode 12 provider.
1:33:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Hardly netler.
1:33:20
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
1:33:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:33:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Angel's going to be a provider for his son.
1:33:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So that will be next week.
1:33:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's all we have, that'll, that'll, we're halfway through season six, very exciting.
1:33:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we'll be back next week with the episode 12 until then, everyone here and just the lesson.