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right, America's Strongest Man twenty twenty three, North America's Strongest Man twenty twenty
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three and amateur Arnold Uh second, second, there you go, Sorry again,
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I was trying to bring it, but it just didn't pop in my
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head. But man, with everything that you've gone on and now sitting in
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a hotel room with Nick Best, so I'm ordered by two big men.
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You're not small, No, it's it's pretty cool. It's great to have
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you here. Yeah, appreciate it. And it's been awesome, pretty good
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year. Huh yeah. Yeah, it's basically spent three years in that winning
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and finally got that big win. So I think that time away like it
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was just sweeter when it finally happened and just financially and everything out of my
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life, like I needed that assm win. So it was like the right
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time of everything coming together and felt like, you know that the last two
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years, two or three years was kind of worth it. Yeah, you
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know, because I mean you've been through this a lot, Like there's periods
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where it doesn't feel like it's worth it or it's harder. During those periods.
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Well, yeah, we did the Sport of the love because literally there
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was no money. I got second an American Strongest Man in two thousand and
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seven and it was like twenty two hundred dollars. Yeah, that's it.
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I mean, dark one, I'm not sure what it was, but I
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think it was like four grand, So it wasn't you did the sport because
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you loved that. Yeah, we're still paying for all of our own air
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for every nothing was our food or it's all all of it. We had
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to take care of all of ourselves. And I mean even America's strongest man
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that year was in like a parking lot kind of area. We were in
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side of the Panther Stadium where they play the football stuff. So but it
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was it's a lot different now. Yeah, I think it's just it's one
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of those things where I'm in my I've had one show for someone to help
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with some travel, you know, and it's just it's kind of cool to
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go from that, like, you know, we don't. I mean a
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lot of us would still do this for free, and I still would,
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like I mean, most people for their entire career do it for free.
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People sacrificed a lot of stuff for this lot for free. Yeah, it's
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just it's uh, it was just it was cool to finally get, you
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know, a little bit out of it as far as financials, like you
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know, the memories and the stories and the experiences and how much better you
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get. I just like do your own development, Like that's worth an unsettled
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But yeah, so what do you think was the biggest change in the way
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you approach everything or did you just keep maturing over the last three years.
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It's just a natural accumulation of where you were. Yeah, No, I'm
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actually I'm really thankful for those seconds. The third last herosg was fourth,
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and so it might as well be second with like top three going to giants,
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you know what I mean. Like I feel like if I would have
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had those wins at that moment and I went to the next level, I
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don't think I was quite ready, right, I'm thankful for the timeline that
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I had. And it's just like, you know, that show was thirteen
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or fourteen shows into competing and I was finding building on that base, and
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like it was the calmest I ever been competing that Like, the it was
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just it was good. It was just great. It's it's kind of meat.
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How once you get a decent amount of experience, you still get the
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butterflies, you still get nervous, but the calmness and the approach to it
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is different. It's like, Okay, I've been here, I've done this,
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I know what to expect from here. So I know I'm not going
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to sleep as good as I normally would. So I've had a really good
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sleep the night before, two nights before, and then I'll just if I
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get great sleep the night before, great. If I don't, it's no
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big deal. And then I'm gonna function on all the cylinders. Yeah,
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regardless of that fact, and you get confidence in your prep and knowing what's
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going on in this couple of days before. It was one of those things
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like I mean, how many events like standards from events we've done thirty forty
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five times, right, and the show I didn't actually plan on doing it.
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I signed it a week out because some stuff fell through and they're like
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they're putting up twenty five grand for first Mike, Well let's do it.
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But it was all my favorite events, stuff I'd all done before. May
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mean I've kind of lived in that like strow Man corp ecosystem of all their
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shows, so I've used half that equipment before. James likes to recycle all
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of that stuff, you know, so in some sense like I didn't didn't
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prep but like my last few shows prior prep for the show. Correct.
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Yeah, And it all just built. And now that there's two like schools
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when it comes to that, because you have the Brian Shaw kind of show
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up and do the big shows and not compete very often, and then you
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have this to do this thing of do every single show, but almost all
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these shows we're training for him. See that's kind of how he got training.
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And so both were clearly very successful. Yeah, so you have the
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epitome of both and the experience of both to like look at and see which
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one a lot. And I think I've kind of rounded the corner finally.
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Like before it was like I needed that like age twelve week prep for a
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show, and like you know, it goes like in the future, there
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are probably some invites that come two weeks out you just got to go.
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They're going to be the opportunity will come and you got to go, and
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you just got to trust that, like you know, that amount of experience
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that just keeps building and building, and you know it's I think if you
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asked me two years ago to step into a show like a week in advancement,
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hell no, whatever, just just wait wait till you get that thing
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where hey, we're gonna have you come out to Worlds this year, and
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you're like, okay, cool, and they're like, so you could be
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this is the COVID year, one of the COVID years. You could be
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We're not sure if man's here. I'm not sure that he's gonna get here,
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So we could have you come out and be the equipment tester or saving
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with Tom Evans last year, remember that he went in. And this is
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completely different because I wasn't trained for anything. Oh yeah, yeah, for
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you, it's a little bit this. This was you know, I was
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going to come and either do announcing, you know, commentary or equipment testing
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or I was the last alternate possibly available, and calling call me is like,
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hey, make sure you bring a kid just in case. Okay,
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called. I just got my elbows done in June down like sentim your bone
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chips and and so my got my elbows cleaned out. Then I went down
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to Bottoccelerator and got stumb cells. And you're not supposed to do anything at
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all for a month after that. And it was right out a month and
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they're like, so to bring I get off the plane and Collin's like,
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hey, you're here, and I'm like yeah, thanks. He's like,
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to bring a kit. Yeah. Why, like, well, two guys
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couldn't even get on the airplanes because they tested positive on the air cot and
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then two guys tested positives right when they got there, yes and play.
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Yeah, and how many guys did they? They pulled out quite a few
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guys out the woodwork right at the end. So it wasn't that year.
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They also pulled the opinion as well. Yeah, wild, Yeah, it
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was. It was kind of crazy. So yes, be ready, Yeah
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at all times? Is that you're you're I guess that was the biggest.
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That's about as time as possible as a surprise of competing. Get off the
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plane. Yeah, place, bring your kid justin you don't know, you
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haven't been training and they haven't been doing anything. Yeah you know, I
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know you just did all these things, but bring your kid just in case,
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like okay, which to me, I look at it as a as
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a blessing actually because again in my tenth one, yeah, there's only seven
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of ten more? Yeah, is it? Uh? The journeys is like
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sixteen to seventeen. Oh yeah, sees the mouse or is it Felix has
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got the most and next I think is Brian and then z damn that Brian,
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it's like right there, but yeah, it's a lot of them.
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Brian's makes the most consecutive finals, so yeah, I don't forget how many
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that Z went to before he won. Like it's a journalists just whole career
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winning, like he had a lot of whole career. Second second, everyone's
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gonna start somewhere, but that a experience paid off. Yeah, he really
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I feel well in the case of Worlds to him and kind the same trajectory,
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like let's podium for yeah, five six, seven years and then finally
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win the thing. God, I bet that was sweet when he finally did
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it. I'll definitely say it's it's a it's a good feeling, Yeah it
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is. Yeah, he made two finals, made two finals, and then
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I made the world finals too. Yeah, so never he told them two
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four Worlds from it, there was just was there two years the EIR three
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because there's three, because there's three three two did two of them and he
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said that was America is as far as man got from there. So that
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was fun. The first year I was my first year knowing, Yeah,
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it was my third show, was pro only did three amateur shows. Yeah,
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that's what I wanted to ask you about like that transition from pot It
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just was just it was just seeing the next edible thing or what was what
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was it that So basically for me, while we're doing a podcast, when
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you got it's actually nice to people ask me questions. So it was of
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cool. I pera thing. I stopped in two thousand and one and in
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two thousand and four month I won worlds in Power and National Is the same
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year, and he was the strength. I've then, hey, strongly contest
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you know you just come check it out was shot. Just come watch and
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then Grant Heagan was in there, and Carl Gillingham was in there, John
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Henderson was in it. Phil Fister is in it. There's a lot of
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guys that are in the show. And I get there and I'm watching the
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show and then I see it paid afterwards. I was like wow, and
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my son was you're pretty song. You should do this. This is cool
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and I was like, good idea kid, and he was like, yeah,
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just this little toe head it is this big. But that was pretty
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much what got me into it. I did a contest at March Air Force
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Base in two thousand and four and was right in the middle of the pack.
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And it was in the middle of the pack. Because I didn't know
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what I was doing. I was like, no, I'm sorry enough to
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do this. I just yea, I have no idea, like the Conan's
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wheel. I think I got second and the Conan's will the yoke like I
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didn't even know what the hell was, but I made it the whole distance,
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so it was just like, okay, and then pull the airplane.
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We pulled the four fan fighter jet. That's kind of cool. That was
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actually really cool. I'd love to do that again now that I know.
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I meantimes you look back and share horse you knows there, No, it
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was. It was pretty cool. So that's kind of where it started.
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I went to that line, was in the middle of the pack. Then
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I went and did another one in November in Colorado and the guy they had
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gotten fourth at NASS Nationals was competing it. Oh my god, he's gonna
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beat everybody, Like, okay, well I beat him as bad as he
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beat everybody else. The six events, I got first and five of them.
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Then I got second the log and then he got second and everything,
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and then first of all chair. So it was from that point on I
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kind of knew so I was qualified for Nationals. I went to Chack Cooy's
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contest in Indiana and got second by point, and the two of us it
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was a point when the amateur and the project compete, yeah, and we're
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they're thrown in there and the top amateur or whatever position and broked. And
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but the two of us beat all the pros. And then I was like
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Jack Boy's looking at me. He's like, you need to keep going.
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Yeah, this I slaughtered the farmers, like I just literally spring and I
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think it was like three to three and I was like four and it was
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like a hundred feet and I did it and some he's like twelve or thirteen
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seconds. Yeah, and he's just like, okay, you got to keep
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doing this. You just don't have an experience. Go to Van's contest in
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a month and get some more experienced. So I go to Van Halffield's contest
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and there was like seven pros in that one. Yeah, and Travis Hormaner
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was there, Kevin he was there, Grant was there. There's a bunch
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of guys there and like I got second in two events, but none of
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the amateurs were there. So I got a massive you know, I picked
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the I won the deadlift. I was the first person, first amateur to
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break the air kind look yeah and strong man and set the I beat Travis's
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record, which was he was pissed and Kevin. Kevin finished. Travis and
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I both pulled seven sixty five. Travis looks and he goes, oh,
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he pulled some sixty five, which broke Travis's right cheer because it was seven
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fifty years fifty five or something. He's like, you want to I'm like,
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yeah, put out for sure. Yea. He pulls the gets to
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his knees and drops it. I'm like, are you done? And he's
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like looking at the pull it right up brand. But yeah, at that
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point that was that was it because like the frame, Kevin, he got
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it off the start. Nobody else got off the start. Travis and I
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love finished ship. I dropped in the middle and finished. So with all
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those points, I didn't even need to do stones. I already got it
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and got it. But that's kind of how the whole thing kind of got
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started. Yeah, I was like the ass stuff like that because like,
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uh, I mean, we talked about last night. You were saying,
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like, you've been lifting longer than I've been live and you know you yeah,
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but we're going with this. Yeah I was ninety five. But like
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you can look back at like you know, like strongly archives or something like
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that, but like it doesn't fill the gaps of like the smaller shows,
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like the shows like ASM Worlds, like all the big stuff. It was
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like you never really see like the path people took to get there, and
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that's always fascinating. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm definitely over And yeah,
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I just hard nosed and wouldn't accept lets for myself no matter what.
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I just kept on and kept moving forwards. And I mean I did it
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for the love of the sport. I love the training, Yeah, I
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did love. Yeah, it takes the train is very serious. It's one
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of the things that like working with Nick, I see it's because like,
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you know, there's no you know, the courser's talking, playing around,
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but when it's time to dial in, the room gets quiet and it's kind
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of work. And that's the and that's one of the biggest difference to see
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because like there's a lot of people that have been in training rooms and you
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know it's everyone's having fun, but it will maybe you're having fun. Oh
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no, it's game time. He trains like it's exactly serious moments. You
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know, there's kind of kind of how I do things, I don't do
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it, kind of sets of things. I'll warm up, get to my
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workway, hit my target, and move on to the next thing. Is
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certain philosophies of like stimulate during annihilate thing, but it's true. And then
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but also the same principle with the blood and guts and the mensor stuff of
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one to two heavy sets, no more than eight sets for a body part,
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that type of thing. Also, when your training works pretty good,
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strong man. We have events, so I mean you train five events of
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the day. You just did a whole contest that Yeah, and if you're
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training like mirror or at contest, wait, if you're able to do the
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contest way in training and get going train with it. Yeah, it's all
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good dues and training the order the events are. Yes, Yeah, you're
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going to know what it feels like. I feel like with more and morally
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actual scraman gyms popping up that train that style of like your event day,
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it's kind of going away because people used to like drive their two hours to
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that one one guy's house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's it's
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interesting, Like I feel in the last few years there's been a lot more
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like of the like strength coaches from outside of the sport coming into the sport,
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and I'm curious what that does, you know as far as the next
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few years. I mean, training is just has gotten better in a lot
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of senses. But like in some senses, it's like we're over analyzing to
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just do the work. It's not all the time. Yeah, there's certain
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people that talk about training the are very educated book wise, they're behind,
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Yeah, and they're twenty years behind and they don't know it. I mean,
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how long does it take muscle recover from a workout? It could be
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a couple days, Okay, how long is it take tenants to heal from
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a workout? Week or two depending? Isn't it longer? It's yeah,
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it's significantly like a week. Who trains on that cycle of Olympic trains on
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the tenants heal in a week cycle. Not Olympic lectors. They do like
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their ten day cycles at least as the there heavy top sets, well they're
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they're heavy, but any work on the tenants before they're here is causing more
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damage, which is stopping the healing, so they're still not healed. Who
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trains on a schedule when their tenants are ready to go? Not many people.
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Yeah, the industry is completely fucking ass backwards. And yeah, and
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those realize it doesn't matter how fashion muscles here unless they're gonna heal. No
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matters how fastial tenants here. If you train right when they're ready to be
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healed, every time you go into you're going to progress without getting hurt much
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longer. Yeah, it's like people will go, I mean, yeah,
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that's true because everything's the muscle belly injuries is so much more rare than that.
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It's all connected tissue. Yeah, it's true. And then once you
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have a connected tissue terror and healing. I mean, in all honesty,
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you can come back fairly fast, but you're still looking anywhere between six months
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to where you can start really training without worrying about it, and then another
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five months to get back to where you were, And so you're still looking
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at the years. Set back a year. It just costs me a year.
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So it's a year of training and not advancing on your lists, and
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that's pretty costly. Yeah, especially as you get older. Yeah, you
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don't have you don't have that many years to pitch on the toilet and come
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back the next year. So it's you're very focused on how long it takes
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the connect tissue. Yeah for sure. Yeah, that that six months to
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a year of being off. That's where I'm at, Like as far as
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I don't if we talk about but I'm not doing the shows we can just
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because I've been having avisive issue and I got that invite for the Arnold in
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a few months, and I'm like if I'm out six months to a year,
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like and I'm gonna stage of the career too, Like I feel like,
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let's say I got hurt. It's not like Gentiles and be like we'll
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get in by next year when you're heeled. It's like maybe probably not,
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I know. And then you guys on that list like it's list of killers
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that have podium at worlds and all this time like I'm a shot. I'm
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thankful. I can't waste it with with stuff like that. With jan if
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you've made her, yeah, like vision I didn't happen and come back and
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again it will be the same. Yeah, yeah, you still want to
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cheese? Yeah right, No, No, that's understandable. First, picking
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well pop a by step off doing OSG. Yeah no, no, no,
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it's I would do the same thing. Yeah, yeah, it's not
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that. I mean, I'm sure where you got to pick up a bag
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doesn't feel right. It's a little bit of lag and it's hurting right where
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it connects. Let's was it last year, Corny Butler and OSG? Wasn't
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it picking up a bag? You know what I'm saying and that. But
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it's good that you caught that because it's like, yeah, I don't want
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to chance this. There's a lot on the everybody talked to it seems like
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I'm pretty happy that I, you know, felt some discomfort first. I
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feel like most people when they talk about biceps, it's like I felt nothing,
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and then it was gone, yeah right, yeah, yeah, you're
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talking to somebody. Yeah yeah, yeah, done a bossy but almost pitching
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baseball. And the other one that's when man, Yeah, this was five
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weeks before if so Wells in two thousand and seven, So that that third
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one that you didn't would that be the third one you didn't do or the
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second the second one? I still still the show, Yeah, because it
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was a muscle ability to I don't remember what I said about the time.
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Yeah, so I've only injured one tenant. Yeah, that's my lab.
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Yeah, and that was I know what happened. It's something fun but stupid.
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Three weeks before and I tried to So the easiest way to explain to
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people is I tried to pick up a four hundred and forty pounds dumbbell,
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giant dumbbell with one hand. Okay, yeah, I got it off the
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ground. Yes, sob And then the very wise person turned and looked at
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me, you should probably not you have contest coming a bunch froun Like,
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yes, sir, And it's like, you probably shouldn't do that contest in
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a couple of weeks. And I think it's not too bad. I think
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it'll be okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's always when people
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try to force that one last contest or like get one more out of the
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year, and your body's giving you those warning signs, it's like, right,
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yeah, it's kind of where I feel like coming right now. And
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you know, that's one of the things Nick always talks about, is like,
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yeah, read your body. But also too, it's like you see
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people come in and rush every show when you know you've got to pick and
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choose when you do. It's good to do the shows, but if you're
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if you're doing too much and you've burned your body out and you're not reading
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those signs. Just like you said, it's it's at last like those guys
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that do like every SCL show or I was starting to a couple of Canadian
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guys last night. They don't do a JF circuit. They all compete all
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the time. How do you do that? Yeah, that's I mean,
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yeah, I don't want style. That's not one looks overly optional. It
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is. It is, and it's it's good and it's bout. It has
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its good points, have his bad points. Bad points are You're not gonna
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have a lot of guys last long period. Yeah. The good part is
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is you're gonna find the guys that are really freaking build built for it,
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and then those things that come down here. Yeah, you're gonna turn Hooper
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didn't come up that way. Oh I thought he did. He hasn't done
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ye where I thought he did. No, he literally no. Those guys
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they would they wish he would at least at least canada'strungs man, because I'm
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sure they let him come. Yeah, maybe he's strungestan on the planet.
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Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think many people realize how many really really
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good pros are up in Canada. And it's because of that circuit. There's
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I could see four or five guys this wee get at make the final for
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Canada. Yeah, if we have the final and nobody knows, he said,
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they're like, oh, Max seems good. Like there's five or six
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other guys that are damn near just as good as him, like and they
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can do with right, Like, there's good guys out there. It'll be
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good to see you know, Max come back. Yeah that was he gets
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set back quite a bit last year. Well, had to break in his
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leg. Yeah, yeah, because as we've seen him at World and Sacramento
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and man, he was looking he was on the fu. He was huge.
26:15
Yeah. Yeah. The thing is I remember being there like some of
26:19
his first contests. Yeah, when he's just this young kid that's just tough
26:23
as nails and comes in and you're like, look at the heart on this
26:26
dude. I mean there's just an equiment. Then you're just like, wow,
26:30
he's gonna be really scary. And yeah, they was like meat grinder
26:37
events or he's just like an arm over arm or like something that's gonna hurt.
26:41
You just gonna keep going. Yeah, yeah, he I bet North
26:45
America is he. I think he's zero the deadlift and still was just off
26:49
the podium because he just he killed Everything else is a show. He almost
26:55
had enough time to get back, and it was just after the injury too,
26:57
like one of his first shows back. They're like that, dude's good.
27:00
Warwick was a lot of fun. It's I'm really happy I to go
27:06
up to that show. It's it's a neat thing, especially with all the
27:08
people that come out because the place just packed, like the day a little
27:12
astronomer up there. Wow, it's the toughest thing. Like I know when
27:18
you did it, it was on the armored circuit, wasn't it before that?
27:22
Now it's not on the armal circuit, but it's like all the promotions
27:26
in French. So it's like, I don't know. I think that might
27:29
be why most people don't know about the show and they don't know how cool
27:32
it is. We were talking to Jeff, but like let's see if we
27:34
can get some like English commentary going on the live stream because he's doing his
27:37
own stream this year and he's down so we'll see it was just made for
27:42
French Canadian TV. Yeah, so nobody saw it like that. That's one
27:45
of the coolest shows to do the lives stream that I would go up and
27:49
listening live stream throw it out that he was talking about it. Yeah,
27:56
he's specially especially to do the World Girl. It's such a cool that would
28:03
be one I want to go just sucking. Yeah, because that was just
28:08
fun Yeah, yeah, it's it's just pure joy. And it's funny because
28:15
I I was up there and I think Anthony Sperno was up there and he
28:22
was like a new kid who just got his pro car and strong, a
28:26
lot of potential, a strong kid, but just reckless. And I'm like,
28:30
dude, don't pull that hard. Don't get into it and then might
28:37
get it off the ground, but make sure your arms are straight before you
28:38
pull it off and build the power into it. Don't just yank it off
28:42
the ground. And yanked it off the ground and took his bice. Of
28:45
course you're just like, what are you doing? And then he's gonna keep
28:48
knowing it. It's it's like, dude, yeah it took U. I
28:52
think it did a partial tear on one of the guys biceps up there yanked
28:56
it and studamn handy for that. Yeah, but you don't put that power.
29:00
Yeah, that flast with that show. I cannot like thank Jeff enough.
29:08
That was the first person to actually like invite me to like a non
29:14
strong in court pro show. Like he's like, I hope you fly out,
29:17
like and I was like a fill in because Bobby pulled out and he's
29:19
like you can go, and I was like, okay, cool. He
29:22
was the first person to let me go to a pro show and like wind
29:25
up. I think it was first event. Max Lock ended up doing the
29:30
same. I can't remember who had the record before. It was a Brad
29:33
Jakowski on that long he's like four and me and Trey tied at four forty
29:38
on the same lock and like the next event, I'm head to head with
29:41
Trey and like, dude, I was at local shows like six months ago.
29:45
I was like, thank you JF. But like you know, it
29:48
was I got a chance to go with those guys and I was hanging with
29:51
him, like I think that's one of my biggest things that's hard in this
29:53
stage was like there's this tier of like thirty pros that kind of live in
29:57
their own ecosystem of and those opportunities to compete with them, they're so rare
30:03
and you just gotta take them when they thought, yeah, and you got
30:07
them and you're going into the arms. Yeah, okay, that that's gonna
30:10
be another bay. I can't wait, big deal. And if you go
30:12
in there and make the top five and that, yeah, it's gonna be
30:15
fine. Yeah. I mean even if you go in there and you don't
30:18
make the top five and you just perform well they come to a perfal and
30:22
then interact with the crowd and do stuff like that, you're gonna be fine.
30:27
Yeah. But I think you're gonna finish a little better, I think.
30:30
So let's see, let's see the events. I'm thinking squat. I
30:36
love that that max squat. I feel like I do better in that group
30:38
of a squat than with the deadlift. Like I love the old Hummer tire,
30:41
but mcau I don't have the ship out of it. Right. Yeah,
30:48
But we'll see the events. But with that, I mean, they
30:52
allow figure eights, so there's someone in there and the contests that don't there's
30:57
still ways around that. There's a way that grips. I showed Hooper and
31:03
then Hooper put it on the video. It's like I learned this from me.
31:06
But there's a way to tie that stop and everything as good as yeah
31:11
the figuerats, except for you can actually let go of the bar and not
31:14
like a face planet if what goes wrong. It's like, I mean,
31:18
Brian's big, big, I'm not having him, and I've still found a
31:21
way to get the straps a little loose for that that twelve ten. Yeah,
31:25
he's one of my favorite guys. He's how many events has he made
31:27
them change the rules for There's a quite a few. Yeah, Wheel of
31:32
Pain. They change it because of him, Like I mean, he's just
31:34
creative man or the voice that was they change of him. Did you see
31:38
what he did for the arm over armed at the shot share? No I
31:42
didn't. So his grips are getting out. He throws at the bar,
31:47
the rope around his back, pulls it this way and leads into it,
31:51
gets and going, pulls it down, leads into it, pulls it down.
31:55
That'll be a rule change. Oh yeah, yeah, No, I
32:01
just know he's going to go back kill the good things. The malady.
32:07
I don't think Brian was so you know, into his last show and doing
32:12
so many things with running it. I don't think that popped up on his
32:15
radar right then and there sure will, but it's like, oh, year
32:19
in review, Brian's probably in the stage where he's renewing stuff from last year.
32:25
Yeah. So yeah, we just ate a heart attack grill a couple
32:30
a week and a half ago. Yeah. Yeah, I got to take
32:32
a little and we learned. You know, makes not a big fan of
32:35
kitchen be a little monster but definitely not male. Kind of spray me a
32:40
little bit with the yeah must Yeah, so that place it at. It's
32:50
work. It's not a meal, it's worked. Or if you don't eat
32:52
all your food, they spank it. Yeah, I recommend eating all your
32:58
girls, like seriously. Yeah, so that's a free experience. So coming
33:08
in and doing that in three years with the work and stuff like that and
33:14
placing it, it just makes you appreciated, that doesn't it. Now it's
33:19
going to come to get still getting into the bigger shows and keep getting into
33:22
the bigger shows, which I don't see an issue like the Arnold is going
33:27
to be a good I would put everything into that and the fashion you can
33:34
get the events from them. If you know the guys that are going to
33:37
invite that aren't doing other shows before that, look and see what they're training.
33:43
Yeah, like for Worlds, we used to watch what the English guys
33:46
were doing. You know, well we have these events and you're just like,
33:51
so you start watching Tom and Laws and Terry and seeing what they're doing,
33:55
They're like, Okay, well I should probably start training in this direction.
33:59
It's it's sounds like we're like a week or two out from events.
34:01
As far as that snowing. The only person who's really trained any events and
34:07
said that's what they're training for is Thor, but he posted it through his
34:09
gym's page. Yeah, it's like Thor finally already prepping for the Arnold.
34:14
But he's doing the log and Dumbell, which I think that's just a safe
34:16
bet with the Arnold, and especially doing two Arnolds Stueks in a row,
34:22
one of them probably gonna have a log. Yeah, probably gonna they love
34:23
with Dumbell. Right, Yeah, that said, I'll be looking. We'll
34:30
see. Just Yeah, you might want to give a phone call to Nick.
34:34
What you find out what the events are secrets in there? You've been
34:39
on some of the equipment, Yeah, most of them. Yeah, that's
34:44
pretty crazy. Yeah. I got to the Arnold twice, the Big Arnold
34:49
twice, and then that was an alternate one year. The built year.
34:52
I was the alternative. Didn't get in on that. We'll test it.
34:57
Yeah, I was the one that wreckted for Yeah, because I was probably
35:02
three ten and doctor Todd had me come out and there was a Blueberrel carry
35:12
that was at the explot of that era, and the top two got into
35:15
the Arnold and the guy the third was going to be the ultimate and Jerry
35:22
won that event Pretchett, and I was at the last. I loaded the
35:27
last sam bag or keg and picked it from the ground and I was ten
35:32
seconds ahead of where he was and the handle came off because they pounded the
35:39
handles on it. They didn't put a pen in there to make sure they
35:43
wouldn't come out. Let you make you rerun it. No, that is
35:46
it is what it is, is what it is. And that dropped me
35:51
four points back and put Jerry and Dimitar ahead of me. But I did
35:55
get to go be the tester, so I got to fly out three each
35:59
before test the bill tot at like thirteen hundred was the first like test out,
36:04
and I'm like, okde and he's just like, okay, all right,
36:07
that seemed pretty pretty easy. When do you think I go? The
36:10
frame bows a little bit, so you gotta set the pick lower. Yeah,
36:15
And he's like look at me, like this lower. I'm like,
36:17
yeah, you're not gonna get it off the ground when that gets heavy,
36:22
and it's exactly what happened. I had to set the set my pick an
36:25
inch and a half lower. Each thing was at a half inch an inch
36:30
and a half lower to make sure it didn't hit the ground when I came
36:34
off. But I was able. I picked it at the fifteen hundred and
36:37
then I picked it at like fifteen like what the last bilto that they did
36:40
was like fifteen sixty something. Yeah, that was my last pick. Yeah,
36:45
and I got three steps in and doctor Todd was like, damn,
36:50
put it down. Put it down, And I'm like why and I'm like
36:52
wabbling, but I'm moving, you know why. He's like, you're an
36:55
alternate. I'm like so it was kind of cool. So me at three
37:01
hundred being able to pick it up and actually move with there, and he
37:04
was like okay, that's good. Yeah, yeah, me and me and
37:07
I just did a sit down for my uh my YouTube and like we don't
37:12
know the events yet, but we went back and did our our top five
37:14
favorite events in the past or what we'd like to see. That was one
37:17
of mine was like, I know the bail to destroyed people. I want
37:21
to I just I want to know what it feels like, like it's I
37:24
mean, it's it's the thing that hurt her. Jerry heard Jerry her belt
37:31
sack and then the journalist and interviews that his back has never really been the
37:35
same since since. Yeah, like there's a reason as the dumb part of
37:39
me wants to try it, I can speak to that. Yeah, well
37:45
I'm a very like dumb part when it comes to stuff like that, like
37:51
the headlifts and stuff like that. Pretty pretty crazy for me. You did
37:57
that one in Australia, Yeah, Jenkins and I tired. They ran,
38:00
they ran, that's a yeah. And the crazy thing is they were using
38:07
rubber mats, which in hindsight they probably would have made plywood squares instead of
38:13
the rubber matt and the heavy got we had to keep put. I had
38:16
like this many mats in there for me to get the angle right where I
38:20
could get it off the ground, and the rim of my shoe, the
38:25
whole, like the bottom part of the white part of the sole would disappear
38:30
in the mats like cushion. So that was kind of crazy. Yeah,
38:40
it really was, but it was I'm sure the of those weird ones,
38:45
the one I'd like to try the backlift mm hmm. I know it's kind
38:50
of dumb and definitely hurts, but the one they did it forms, Yeah,
38:57
that's my favorite. That was crazy. And then I remember after the
39:02
last one, Brian competed with me, and it was the last time I
39:07
was a little beat Brian by the way it was, so that was a
39:13
long time. And we did a Super Series contest in Romania and his eyes
39:20
were still like both all the whites on his eyes were red from that back,
39:25
like completely red, just bloodshot, and you're just like, are you
39:29
look at it? Okay? So yeah maybe yeah, he's like yeah,
39:34
And I got second in that show. And then a guy got his name
39:40
right on the top of my time. I can see his face clear as
39:45
day. He ended up winning by a point, and then he got the
39:50
invite to Worlds from that show. And then Colin's like, sorry, man,
39:53
maybe next year. And then the next year I win the FedEx BO
39:57
and he calls me. He's like all right, because it's like one of
40:00
those things they still had special invites and goes all right, dude, you've
40:04
done it if you're in and just get ready. Yeah, And so I
40:07
had a while to get ready, no idea what the events were, but
40:09
I still got ready. Do you think it's better off the way because I
40:14
know that the Arnold Super Series it seems like there was a bigger like qualification
40:20
system as opposed to like, I know, twenty twenty killed a lot of
40:22
stuff. Do you think it's better off with just invites or with like the
40:25
series how they used to do it for which all right, I guess in
40:30
the case of the Arnold, but the case super serious too for the for
40:32
A World as well. Oh yeah, that was super serious with the Giants
40:36
flat yeah, yeah, I mean it's just it's just one into the next,
40:39
like that was ode OAF and Colin and then Colin was thing, went
40:46
off on his own and got eventually got in with Darren and now giants is
40:52
what giants? Yeah, but it was the same you went there you did
40:55
well, you qualified to go, so there was still you can only do
41:00
some of those shows, so there were still invites. I mean even now
41:05
there's still special invites in the worlds because there's what five four or five giants
41:10
live shows are Yeah, okay, two of them are specific to just Europeans
41:15
are from Britain, correct, but it's still that's top three are automatically qualified,
41:20
so that it's fifteen spots. It's true. Then you got the winner,
41:24
so that's sixteen. You got former winners that are on a noble and
41:30
Stoltman if he doesn't win with the qualifiers, which he does so, and
41:36
then Brian when he wanted to go, that's former winners or you're in shape,
41:40
you can go, so that you're still looking at it could be that's
41:51
true, so you still got that opportunity, which was trying to explain it
41:54
to that kid this morning. It's like, no, just keep doing good
42:00
and one of the shows are It's like it's like the generation is so instag
42:04
gratification. It's like it used to take like five to ten years to get
42:08
in here. Yeah, but now it's much easier to get in the world.
42:14
What I think I see like like a Gavin Singleton or something and they're
42:19
like two three years in and he was already at World. It's like it's
42:22
not normal. Yeah, It's like just because a couple people have done it
42:24
doesn't mean that's the thing that how many dudes took ten years to even get
42:28
their first giants right, Well, it's just I think it depends on what
42:32
kind of strength are you walk in with. Sure, Yeah, I mean
42:36
Adam was gonna look at hoop. Yeah, man came out of almost nowhere.
42:39
Yeah, seven year champ, you know what I mean. Yeah,
42:43
So it's kind of like if you're that strong, there is the ability now
42:46
to get recognized and get in much quicker than in the past. So it's
42:52
kind of that part's coming nice. Yeah, Like guys too will be like
42:57
I can do this yoke that the guy's worlds can like. But it's like
43:00
the deadlift of the press, Like there's things that take the years to develop.
43:04
It's more than one of them, and a lot of them. It's
43:07
like, oh, like if that nine hundred one thousand dead lid is normal,
43:10
like, yeah, you can do it if you have the years.
43:13
Yeah, it's just like it's not gonna happen in two yeh. You already
43:16
put in your work over here, yeah, and then you start your following
43:21
when you hand out. I mean, I couldn't be more thankful for like,
43:25
there's a lot of ways in it's holding you now. Yeah. Yeah,
43:31
So I mean I didn't I think my physically strongest years so far it
43:37
was forty. Yeah, I was still really really strong at fifty. Was
43:43
that like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, uh, sixteen seventeen wins seven seventeen
43:51
was yeh, the year I got to the finals. Yeah, but I
43:55
told my calf put in the tire. Yeah, I still got through the
43:59
whole the rest of the show, but you're still here. You're not gonna
44:02
be in the final. And then well I was in the final. Well
44:06
yeah, they're like always gonna be You're not gonna be at Yeah, but
44:08
it's always too tight, and that's something else. It's kind of like one
44:12
of those things where I was trying to explain it to IRONBB this year because
44:17
all my body said, and I'm like, dude, you're still not the
44:22
World Strongest Man competitor. Yeah, there's no place you can go where it
44:24
shows you're on the list. You're a strong man, you're a professionals from
44:28
You're not a World Strongest Man competitor, even if your biceps injured through the
44:32
show, because all throughout history from that point on, what's your names on
44:36
that list is the world Strongest Man competitor. You're right, world's strongest man.
44:38
Yeah, till the day you die. Yeah, you know, like
44:43
and yeah, and guys like me, like my promoters have reached top.
44:49
I'm like for me, it's like I'm like I beat seven of those guys
44:52
and that's like forever, those guys will beat World Strongest Man competitors, and
44:55
like, I don't know, like I feel like there's a show to not
45:00
come off the gas or to take the risk. It's you're at the Big
45:02
Shop. That's the one world like that really doing a classic or like or
45:07
those Big Four, yeahs are road Like those Big Four, You're at the
45:13
Dream Show. There's nothing else, Like I take something in the world.
45:16
I'm doing those. Yeah, it's gonna showing he was on history just like
45:22
I remember the what was it year? Was it? I think we were
45:28
in China, so it was thirteen and quickly had messed up his arm pretty
45:31
bad in the qualifying heats and he had won his heat, so he's in
45:35
the final and somebody was trying to talk him out of that so someone else
45:39
can go in there. And I remember Mangus walking on to him. He
45:43
goes, if you pull out, you won't be a World Strongest this it
45:49
won't show as a World strong Man finalists this year in the top ten in
45:52
the world. He goes, even injured, you go do it. You're
45:55
still you're still a finalist, You're still a top ten. Yeah, you
46:00
don't do it entire time. Yeah, because history will show that as always,
46:04
which yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah, I mean there's
46:07
dudes that go down as like legends of the sport that like the biggest thing
46:12
they did is the final, Like that's still hugely yeah. I mean people
46:15
are excued about like your Stoltman's and the wars and stuff like saying like,
46:21
well, turn turn ons. He got a podium once Sydney twice, twice
46:24
twice. It's like guys like that spanking in the final for years and years
46:29
and years like that's people don't give that enough credit. It's like, dude,
46:34
I mean in the world right, even even being like the alternate Worlds
46:39
one time. Yeah, like you are in the one percent of the one
46:43
percent sport Like it's still that's people's dream still, you know, I mean
46:46
I still is that okay, Oh yeah we're good, Okay, I still
46:52
look at it. I mean I would always try to be the best,
46:55
absolute best that I could be. Yeah, I have my week's over and
47:00
it's yeah, I couldn't tell you why then there's a point in time where
47:04
like a bench like but I'm sure on the most I've done was six thirty
47:07
five. Yeah, but it never translated into and you always had a big
47:12
squat. It was a stranger. You couldn't get the lake driver. Yeah,
47:15
just some disconnectors never clicked, never clicked. Or it was a range
47:17
of motion movement in my lap, like the difference and flexibility on this arm
47:22
in this harm Yeah, this is the one I have it to him.
47:24
Yeah, this is the one I had fixed. Yeah that's so, but
47:29
this one goes up. Yeah, and so now my overhead pressing is it's
47:35
actually better than it was, but it's still so it was always I was
47:39
going to lose points there and I had to be greater everywhere else. And
47:45
yeah, so you know what you're going into the Arnold right now, you
47:50
know, and you're gonta get advice from a lot of people out there.
47:52
But the thing is is like sometimes like you were saying, it's something that's
47:54
skewed if you need to if you wanted to add something, and like I
47:59
said, you got a legend right in front of you. You know what
48:02
what what is something that you need to know in like in a mindset or
48:06
just in coming into a major show like this, because I said, you
48:08
just want America's America stronics man, and now you got the end. But
48:13
to the Arnold and it's like yeah, it's like, I mean you've you've
48:16
been through that, like that early stage of getting into the big shows.
48:21
Were there things that you did that was like a stumbling block? Or you
48:23
do it differently if you could do it again? Huh? I think the
48:30
only thing real thing I would do differently is once you start getting there.
48:35
Yeah, you're so excited that you're getting invited to those shows that you take
48:38
them all up on. Yeah you got to pick and cheese. Yeah,
48:42
that is the one thing that you can fill up really fast. Well,
48:47
and that's where you're gonna get hurt. Yeah, I mean, still you
48:52
can do. You don't want to go just getting in your third year,
48:55
in your third second or third year in where everybody knows you're fucking yeah,
49:04
that's right, everybody knows you're really solid and really good. At that point,
49:12
you just got to chill out because you're to get invited to everything,
49:14
like, hey, I'd love to, but it kind of conflicts this and
49:16
I don't feel my body is gonna be ready. But let's I'm gonna plan
49:21
on that for next year, but for this year, I'm gonna pass.
49:24
Yeah, you're gonna have to give up some opportunities in there that you don't
49:30
want to, but your body's gonna hold together, and then you can maintain
49:35
that high level of placing each one that you go to so that when you
49:39
show, when you get you tell them, hey, i'll hit it next
49:42
year, and then you push off a different show for the following year.
49:45
That's probably gonna be I've seen the most fatal mistakes made their Clinicowskiing was hitting
49:54
everything and then it's got pretty seriously injured and then out he's he's still not
50:00
what he was. I mean, I love that guy, I mean his
50:04
attitude. Yeah, he's a great kid if I call my kid, but
50:10
he's a kid. I've seen a lot of guys come in and make a
50:15
splash and then all of a sudden, I mean Evan, look at Evan
50:19
when he first came in, started getting invited everything, started doing everything,
50:22
and then all of a sudden, his performance started doing this. And then
50:24
he come back and started doing more planning and better shows. Everybody knows how
50:30
good he is, so he gets the invite some things he's going to has
50:34
finally figured that that's the hardest thing to do is I mean, you gotta,
50:40
okay, take that one, and then now you got another one,
50:44
and you still got to have enough time to heal from the contest that you
50:49
did, get back to training, get strong, and do another contest.
50:53
You know you should. You're gonna learn to function at about a six week
51:00
level if you can hold your body, bodies conditioning and it's six weeks out
51:04
from a show at all times, which is quite easy. Yeah, that's
51:07
where you want to that's where you want to live. And then you make
51:12
sure you have a week or two of healing after the contest, and then
51:17
it's worse a month and then because like the biggest issues I had with doing
51:23
the Arnold was the Finix bo was probably the second heaviest contest in the United
51:29
States at that time, and I mean ode we had to do a thousand,
51:34
one thousand pounds sixteen inchs dead with yeah, with a stiff barol,
51:38
you know, so it's a sarcial detalic, but still you got to feel
51:43
Felix and I tied it like one thousand and three, and then Terry pulled
51:45
on thy twenty five and then we did a stone over bar. I think
51:50
the stone was like three eighty or something like that for reps as the last
51:55
event, and then the yoga was like a thousand and stuff like that,
52:00
and it was just the Farmers was like four hundred a hand. Yeah,
52:05
you know, it was a brutal contest and you were just like you're just
52:08
getting recovered in your arm, and it's like you never feel like you can
52:14
hit that at full speed. Yeah, you know, last if there was
52:19
like an extra five weeks in there, then I could feel like I hit
52:24
speed. But that that was one of those where you get the opportunity to
52:28
get in, you go and you just get everything you got and some you
52:34
know, you take what's there but if I was gonna say that would be
52:39
something that ye be very strategic. Yeah, because once you have the goods
52:46
and everybody knows you have the goods and they know now you have the goods,
52:51
and then they see you work with the crowd and work with people,
52:53
and not only that, being able to get yourself in the competitive mind yet
52:57
still be audience aware. Yeah, at the same time to where you don't
53:05
need to go out and you can be like a w superstar. But if
53:07
you go over and deal with the crowd and have fun with the cow but
53:12
they's you're competing, just does Miles and it brings more people into this floor
53:15
year as well. Yeah, I mean, nothing's worse than the dudes and
53:19
just sit in the back and do not don't acknowledge the crowds, like,
53:22
yeah, they paid for paid for the seats. Yeah, admitically, that's
53:25
gonna be probably the biggest learning for me, gonna learn on it. Like
53:30
it's it's really not that fun of it. Yeah, just Hotel who does
53:35
it in a genuine way and they're just having fun, you know. And
53:37
that's where I'm at, Like this show going up with the art of like
53:42
get to compete against dudes that I watched on TV yeah the last ten years.
53:46
Like I didn't even see that in the UK too, So the fans
53:51
that are touch Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's just just gotta believe like
53:57
I'm there for a reason. I can hang with those dudes and enjoy it,
54:00
enjoy the crowd. Yeah, it's yeah. You know, I think
54:05
the last person I'm trying to convince myself, you know, maybe this is
54:08
the game, right, and you're sitting in here on my spot, you
54:12
know, and it's it's gonna be awesome. Man, I have person training
54:15
and then still yeah, yeah, yeah, they're gonna be okay. I
54:22
think I mean, give me eighteen months, two years to build the deadlift,
54:25
like that could be real problem for these dudes. Yeah, it's just
54:30
everybody's got that one thing that they're working on. Like I can't remember.
54:34
I don't know why I can't do. I always got that one event.
54:37
It's not my event, So what does that mean I gotta work on don't
54:43
an event three years in a row. Well, off season, our planet
54:49
is just have it in. We have stones ever real week, yeah,
54:52
because it's just gonna be just throwing in really. Yeah, it's gonna be
54:57
in shows. What's it ever gonna go away? One week, make it
54:59
a light to where it's light and you gotta go fast, because that happens
55:02
occasionally, and then the next week two weeks later, and make it a
55:07
heavy to where you can barely move, and train it both ways, because
55:13
like Warwick where we had an arm and it was uphill, slow cross,
55:21
nobody finished and it was brutal, and then the next year it was slightly
55:24
downhill and it was so you never know what you can get your hands on.
55:30
Train went slow, train went fast. You know, it's just those
55:34
couple of events, Gonna keep working them, and you know, and the
55:37
deadlift comes with time. Yeah, and you just just need the reps and
55:39
the time time, the core conditioning and stuff like that. Holloween training your
55:44
abs twice a week, Okay, yeah, no, we're on. We're
55:49
on a good pace with the deadlifts. Yeah, try twist. I did
55:53
a lot of rotation. I was throwery, like rotational strength comes from yeah
55:59
yeah, this camera. Yeah man, it's for some reason, deadlift just
56:05
didn't come natural to me, like I was after college, Like I was
56:07
a strong lifter, barely deadlicted five hundred, but I could squat six,
56:12
I could do all those I just I mean, I don't think I did
56:15
that time with the deadlift in college. Probably didn't lift it that much either,
56:17
No, which a lot of olympiclifting and stuff like that. And now
56:22
you know, a year and a half ago the max was like around seven
56:24
hundred, and now it's like eight fifty for reps is pretty normal, right,
56:29
and so given you know, a year or two more, we'll get
56:32
into that nine hundred raw range. And that's kind of where a lot of
56:35
these guys are at, so aside from a couple of those freaks. But
56:40
yeah, that ear of everyone on a thousand, it's kind of gone.
56:44
But even even then they saw things. Yeah, polls too, they poles,
56:51
they might not be as fast on their feet and yeah quick, they
56:52
might not last in the medley. Yeah, so it's yeah, no,
56:59
na a fun. It's a really fun phase right now. Just enjoy it.
57:04
Well, you know, and that's great, you know, and you
57:06
know it's fun phase everything coming in. But Nick, you know, we
57:08
we eat as much and as always as much fun as all these are,
57:13
we always got to end it. And Nick has a favor of thing and
57:15
you know it holds true to everything that you're talking about here and what you
57:20
want to do. So Nick, let the fans know. Well, the
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first one you say, go follow this link will be in a note.
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