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Jay Seegert: Facts About Our Great God of Creation (Psalm 104) · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome, friends. We've got a special treat today in Studio J. Seagirt of the
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  the next six months. And I just want to thank you. I mean, it's mind blowing
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  actually. Actually, let's work to talk about today. Mind blowing insights from
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  Psalm 104 and the God of creation. But I want to shout out to some states. I
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  your state is missing, get ahold of us at worldviewmatters.tv. So today's guest,
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  J. Seagirt, the Starting Point Project. J. I love this topic today. But first of all,
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  friends can go to these starting point project.com. And we wouldn't look at Psalm 104. But before
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  we do that, and there are some mind blowing insights and truths about the God that we
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  know and trust. But we're pre recording. So we recorded this as if it's airing today.
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  We recorded this last week. You're speaking at a conference. That's why you're in town.
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  So in Green Bay, tell us about it. And it's a youth conference. It's called district's
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  youth conference. This would be my 14th year. They get just over 4,000 youth and leaders.
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  So it's kind of a big deal. I really look forward to it. I just actually do breakout sessions.
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  But my breakout sessions will have up to a thousand youth in it, which is very exciting.
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  So it'll be Friday night through a Sunday, really looking forward to it. I love ministering
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  to the kids and into the youth leaders as well, helping train them with a biblical world
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  14 years. Wow. With youth with anyway, good. So I'm sure that went well. Now that we can say that
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  because it just took place last week. So knowing God through creation, I shout it out to you before we
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  decided what we're going to do today. You put some amazing notes together here. And I love Psalm 104.
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  Every time I go through the Bible and I go through the Psalms and go through, I read some of these
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  things. For example, and we'll get into detail, Lord willing, if we have time on some of these.
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  Like verse 5, God established the earth upon its foundations so that it will not totter forever
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  and ever fascinating to look into. And then verse 9, for example, God set a boundary that the
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  waters cannot pass over so that they will not return to cover the earth. They're just some amazing
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  things. You go, wow, that is our big God. So where do you want to start? How about how do we know
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  God exists? Sure. It's a simple question like that. Just wrap it up in 30 seconds or less.
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  Well, I mean, it's interesting. I remember I used to do computer programming and I envisioned
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  someone walking down the hallway saying, hey, I'm on my way to a meeting. I only got like five
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  seconds, but can you teach me how to do computer programming right now? Like five seconds, probably
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  not. But on the other hand, asking this question, how do we know that God exists for a Christian?
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  There are two basic questions that if I was an atheist, I'd be running around asking every
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  Christian, how do you know God exists and how do you know the Bible is a word of God? Basic
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  questions makes a lot of sense, but way too many Christians are not in a good position to
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  address that and they're they fumble around with it as if they had thought of it before. That
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  doesn't look good for us when we're asked a basic question like that. So you asking me this question,
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  I'll answer it relatively briefly. We could do a series of shows on this, but here would be a
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  brief response. The first one, I think is the most powerful, but it's the least impressive to
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  skeptic, but I got to start there. God is a spirit being. He's not a physical being like us. He's
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  a spirit being and we are created in the image of God. Well, if God's not a physical being and
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  he created us in his image, we are spiritual beings as well. He did give us a physical body,
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  but it says in Romans 8, 16 that God's spirit confirms with our spirit when he gave us that we
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  are the sons of God. So what's going on here? This is powerful. God who's all powerful and is a
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  spirit being has created us with physical bodies, but instilled in us a spirit and his spirit is
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  communicating with that spirit. He put inside us the knowledge that he exists. He actually put it
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  there. So it's not something I have to work to and like I've thought through it and I'm pretty
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  confident, God exists. No, I have absolute knowledge, not because of my intelligence, but because
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  God has placed that knowledge within me. That's how He created us. He communicates with us that way.
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  No, I don't expect a skeptic to be impressed by that. That I think I have the spirit of God. But
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  this is a truth of Scripture and ultimately it's how I know for sure God exists. Now there's
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  another aspect that the skeptic would relate to more and that comes from Romans chapter 1.
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  When you read through the second half, it talks about that God has put so much evidence for
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  His existence and He has but evidence in just in His creation so much so that mankind is without
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  excuse, meaning no one is ever going to be able to stand before God and say, oh, I would have
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  believed in you, but you didn't give me enough evidence. He's going to say, no, I gave you plenty
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  of evidence, but they chose to reject it. And the remainder of the chapter goes on to explain
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  consequences for rejecting this evidence. And so God creates the skeptic and gives them all the
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  evidence and gives them the ability to accept it or reject it. If they reject it, consequences
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  over reprobate mind, dark and thinking. I gave them over to reprobate mind Romans 122, professing
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  themselves be wise. They became fools. It's not name calling by God. He's not saying, oh, they're
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  just a bunch of fools. He's describing their thinking process. So they don't process the information
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  properly. They got knowledge in their head, but they're lacking wisdom. So we can get into a little
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  bit of the evidence that goes along with what God is talking about. And do we see that today,
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  I think of college professors and the most intelligent, professing to be wise, right?
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  The fool said in his heart, there is no God. Right. The evidence is so powerful,
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  but it's not necessarily persuasive because it's a heart issue. So some of the things that I
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  convey in some of my lectures are so straightforward, I say, you have to be highly educated to not get
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  this. And that's what happens. And that's not a slam against the secular scientist. We're dealing
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  with the spiritual issue. But here, here's an example. As basic as you can get, the origin of this
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  universe, it's big and it's here. So whatever worldview you hold, you need to have an answer. Where
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  did the universe come from? We have three options. One is that it was created by something. Another
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  one would be that it was created by nothing. The third one is that it's just always existed. So it
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  wasn't created by anything. It's always been here. Really quick approach to that. Many scientists
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  used to believe it was eternal. The universe is eternal. You don't need a creator. It's always been
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  here. Well, they ruled that out years ago. It can't be eternal. It would have run out of gas
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  a long time ago if it had been around. So they realized universe had a beginning. So that leaves
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  two options. It was created by nothing or it was created by something. Well, can you really have
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  a serious conversation about nothing creating everything? The way they try to do that is they
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  redefine nothing. Lawrence Krauss, one of the world's leading theoretical physicists, said,
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  they asked, you know, how do you get a whole universe out of nothing? He said, when people think
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  of nothing, they typically think of the absence of anything. It's like, I'm with them on that right
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  there. But he said, that's a philosophical definition of nothing. He said, I don't care what
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  philosophers think. He was, I care about the nothing of reality. And if the nothing of reality is
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  filled with stuff, I'll go with that. Oh my goodness. If the nothing of reality is filled with
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  stuff. So he just says nothing is actually something and that something could create the universe.
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  That makes no sense. Why don't we let nothing be nothing and reserve the word something for stuff,
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  which you have to explain where it came from. So you can't, as soon as you say nothing, there's
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  nothing to talk about. There are no properties of nothing. It can't do anything. It doesn't exist
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  in time or space, a space in time don't exist. So it doesn't make sense to say nothing created
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  everything. It must have been something with the something that something was either some physical
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  stuff or non-physical. Well, can't be physical stuff because then you'd ask where did that physical
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  stuff come from? It couldn't have been around forever. It would have to be a non-physical entity
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  that's outside of the creation itself, which is what God claims to be. So the whole argument of
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  where the universe come from, it must come from something and it couldn't have been a physical
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  thing. Otherwise, you'd have to explain that. That's very brief. We can go on and on. One other
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  simple analogy, once in a while I talk to grade school kids and I think, okay, I got to really
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  tone it down, but it's turned out that many of the analogies I use for them work really well
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  with adults. So even I'm going to be able to understand what you're going to say. That's right.
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  So picture yourself walking through the woods and on the ground you see a hammer. Would you think
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  that probably what happened was long time ago a branch broke off a tree and then rotted into the
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  handle and then minerals leaked out of some rocks and formed the head on the end of that stick.
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  No, you would know right away somebody made the hammer and they or someone else left it in the woods
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  to no brainer. Now there aren't many things simpler than a hammer, but you could see design that
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  doesn't have by accident. You walk further in the woods. You see a cell phone. Okay,
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  do you think that happened by accident and minerals? Obviously not. If something as simple as a hammer
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  had a creator, obviously something as complex as a cell phone also must have been designed. No
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  brainer. No one argues of that. Fast forward our own bodies. Human beings blow away any cell phone
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  out there. If we could recognize the necessity of design and creation in a hammer and in a cell phone,
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  what stops you from saying it makes sense that we were designed as well unless there's a heart
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  issue going on where you don't want that to be the answer. But it's so straightforward and
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  when we won't get into the details of DNA on this particular show, but it's just it's logical,
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  it's rational. The only reason you'd want to deny it is if your heart says I don't like the
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  consequences of that because then it might be responsible to this creator. Well, you mentioned the
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  human body and it makes me think of all the millions of doctors and it's surprising to me that
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  they've studied the human body more than anybody that they haven't said, well, Mike, there's got to
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  be a got a creator of this intricate, amazingly designed thing, this system, the human body, the
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  human being, right? Yeah, and many of them do come to that conclusion. What they do with it,
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  we could talk about that at another time, but some have come to that conclusion. Others still
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  deny it. So if they're looking at the same information and coming up with two totally different
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  conclusions, the important part isn't in the facts that they're looking at. It's in their world
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  view. They're starting point. What are they using to interpret those facts? Otherwise, all scientists
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  would agree the same thing pretty much all the time looking at the same facts. The fact that they
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  come up with different conclusions as it's not about those facts, it's a heart issue with deals
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  with the world view and starting points. That's right. Jay, let's go back to the beginning of Psalm 104
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  and Psalm 103, of course, everyone knows has blessed the Lord of my soul and all that is in
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  within me. Bless his holy name. Psalm 104 starts out. Bless the Lord of my soul. And then it says,
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  oh Lord, my God, you are very great. So we're about to talk about some amazing and I think insightful
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  facts and truths about this great God. Thanks to Jay Seagirt covering yourself with light. Actually,
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  I missed one. You are clothed with splendor and majesty covering yourself with light as with a cloak
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  stretching out heaven like a tent curtain and it goes on. You want to just mention those you want
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  to just jump to something else. We'll start with that. Again, we're not going to be going,
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  obviously, word for word through the whole thing. We take a lot of time. So what we're going to be
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  doing is just pulling out different things that give us just a glimmer of who this God is that
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  not only created everything, but that we get to worship and spend eternity with him as Christians.
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  It's said he stretched out the heavens like a garment. I don't know if I ever told you before. I'm
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  actually the world's leading expert in Hebrew. If I didn't tell you that, that's probably because it's
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  not true. I'm probably the leading on the bottom. But it's interesting when you look at the original
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  languages and it says that God stretched out the heavens. And if you want to know what that means,
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  it means that God stretched out the heavens. Now, what does that physically mean? We honestly
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  don't know. We have some really good ideas. There's not enough in this context to tell us,
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  but seven times the Old Testament says God stretched out the heavens. So it does relate to some
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  things that it might be referring to. It could very well be that when God created the universe,
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  he stretched out the heavens. And it got bigger. What we're seeing today, it does seem like there's
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  evidence that the universe is expanding. We don't know that for sure, for sure. But there's enough
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  evidence that it's probably happening. And it could be a result of the heavens having been stretched
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  or that they are still moving because they were stretched and it's still going. What's interesting
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  is not only does it seem like the universe is expanding, it's expanding faster and faster,
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  which makes no sense to a secular scientist because you'd have to have energy to move that along.
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  So that's where they get into the stark energy that just make up something that can maybe make
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  it go faster and faster. There's no evidence for it, but they need it. Okay, Jay, we've got to take
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  a brief pause here. When we come back versus five through nine are to me some of the most amazing
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  no spaces. And we'll see what happens on YouTube. All right, Jay Seeger. So verse five in Psalm 104
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  says, God established the earth upon its foundations so that it will not totter forever and ever. We can
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  just briefly get your thoughts on that. And then I know you wanted to cover six to nine.
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  God created the universe to operate in a certain way. It's called the cosmos, which means order.
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  God is a God of orders, not God of confusion. So he set the universe to operate under laws
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  that we have discovered. And so it's not that God has to miraculously cause everything to happen.
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  He created everything. He set up laws that date on a day-to-day basis. I want to put water
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  in the freezer and then it becomes solidly. I don't think Jesus snuck into my freezer and
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  before the miracle, it's operating under the laws that we know. So our solar system operates
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  a certain way. And we might have time to get into some of the orbit of the earth around
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  suns. Really cool. But he did establish it. It is under a curse. It's not going to be that way
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  forever. It talks about that the earth won't be moved. That doesn't mean it doesn't move at all.
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  But there are other passages that talk about heavens and earth will be destroyed. So how do you
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  have it not moved if it's going to be destroyed? What's going on there with the Greek and the Hebrew
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  is when God destroys heavens and earth and recreates them, it's not an obliteration of the actual
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  materials. It's a reconstitution, all those materials into new heavens and new form, but not
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  obliterating it all together. So it's going to be all forever, but it's going to change its form.
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  Yeah. What about the waters were standing above the mountains?
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  Yeah. Cool reference. The beginning of this chapter is talking about God and His creation.
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  There's a shift there in 6 through 9 talking about actually the flood at the end of the flood
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  and portions of the flood. We know that when the flood judgment came 1656 years after the creation
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  of Adam, the earth was covered of the water. All the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.
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  So we know it was a global flood. All the high hills covered. And what's interesting, okay,
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  if you picture the earth totally covered of the water, a lot of people wonder like, so where did it go?
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  How does it go anywhere if it's covering the whole earth? Right. Well, God answered some of that here
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  in Psalm 104. He caused the mountains to rise up. So there were mountains, but not as high as like
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  Mount Everest, 5 and a half miles high. The mountains that did exist that were covered of the water.
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  So some of them were submerged, you say? Yeah, all of them. Yeah.
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  Because the whole earth was covered of the water. All the high hills under the whole heaven,
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  we have marine fossils, sea creatures, fossilized on top of Mount Everest, 5 and a half miles high,
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  because it was lower in the past, covered with sea water and sediments, laying the sediments down.
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  And God is saying here in Psalm 104, God, at the end of the flood caused the mountains that did
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  exist to rise even higher and the valleys or trenches to sink deeper. And we know that the
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  ocean basins have sunk a mile down. And God says, I'm doing that for a reason. I'm setting a boundary
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  so that the waters of this earth will never be able to come back and do this again because the
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  mountains will be too high and the valleys of these trenches too deep. So there's the same amount
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  of water on the planet today, but the ocean bottoms are too low. The mountains are too high.
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  If you smooth everything out like a queue wall today, there's enough water just in the oceans
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  to cover the earth 1.7 miles deep. That's just ocean water. We have now discovered there's
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  probably three times that much water in the layers of the earth, plenty of water around, but now God
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  changed the geology of the earth. It's physically impossible for the waters to return and cover
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  everything because of God doing this in Psalm 104. That is fascinating. And I also think about
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  that at the beach, you know, the water won't take up, you know, come in, you know, take so far ahead
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  of the beach and go in and wipe out towns. It just, you know, the tide keeps going out. It will
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  only come so far. It's the boundary that God set. Go ahead, Jay. Where do you want to take us?
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  Well, let's for fun. Let's go back to verse 19. Talks about the moon marking the seasons and the
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  sun knows it's time for setting. Just so much cool going on with God's creation. The Jewish
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  calendar was a lunar calendar, so they measured their months by the moon, which is 29 and a half days.
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  But just for fun with our solar system here, you could do this as a mental exercise. Pretend I
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  just gave you a blank piece of paper, turn eight and a half by eleven, turn it sideways. On the left
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  side at the very edge, put a little dot. That's going to be the earth. Then an inch away, you put
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  another dot and that's the sun. So you got a paper to dots on the left, inch away, earth and sun.
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  That's 93 million miles. That's the distance from the earth to the moon. Okay. Now if you put
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  another dot on your paper, there represents the distance, not from the earth to the sun,
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  but from the earth to the next closest star, which is Alpha Centauri. Where would you put the dot?
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  Knowing every inch you go further, there's another 93 million miles. Some people say,
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  probably in the middle of the page, some people say, I bet it's off the edge. Try getting in your car
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  and driving four and a quarter miles and putting a dot and every inch of that four and a quarter
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  miles is another 93 million miles. That's just Alpha Centauri, the next closest star. Now you put
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  one more dot down, not the distance from the earth to the sun or the earth at the next closest star,
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  but from the earth to the center of her own Milky Way galaxy. Our solar system is on one of the
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  arms, spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy. So from us to the center of our galaxy, you'd have to
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  drive 25,745 miles. And every inch of that distance is another 93 million miles just to the center
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  of her own galaxy. And there are probably two trillion galaxies out there.
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  That is mind blowing. I mean, that is hard to wrap our heads around how big and how massive it is.
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  And that's just a glimpse. I always jokingly say, I think God had to use every bit of His might
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  to hold Himself back and only make it this big. To Him, it's nothing.
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  It's a different perspective, right? Here's another fascinating thing makes your head spin.
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  So the earth orbits around the sun once a year. As it does it, it's not a circle,
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  it's any lips will it just say it's a circle. If you're going to make a circle, you can't just go
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  straight. You have to curve in to make a circle. For every 18 miles, the earth goes straight,
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  it cuts over a 9th of an inch. So imagine walking 18 miles and then cutting over a 9th of an inch
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  and going another 18 miles, cutting over 9th of an inch. That would be a huge circle. So that's
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  the circle that the earth does around the sun. But that's not even the interesting part. If the earth
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  went 18 miles, if it didn't cut over 9th of an inch, if it only went over 10th of an inch, we'd
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  freeze to death. We'd be too far from the sun. If it went 18 miles and didn't cut over 9th of
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  an inch, cut over a whole 8th of an inch, we'd burn up. We'd be too hot. We are orbiting in this
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  Goldilocks zone, right where God designed it. It's not an accident. It's a design feature and it
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  just goes on and on from there. Wow. Okay. So where are we here? I'm looking at going back to
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  19. He made the moon for the seasons. The sun knows the place of its setting. You point darkness
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  and it becomes night. Then it goes on. What's another verse you want to point? Let's jump to a 32.
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  Who looks on the earth and it trembles, it touches the mountains and they smoke. You know,
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  the poetic language, you know, picturing gods, fingering, coming down and touching the mountain
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  and it smokes of volcanoes. So it's not trying to be literal with God touching it. Right.
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  It's God's power. And so I thought it might be fun to talk about different powers that we see
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  on the earth that just fascinates us. The bigger something is, the more fascinating it is.
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  And when you see something big move, it really catches your attention. So one of them has to do
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  with the power of moving water. And I talk about a lot of this when I do our Grand Canyon tours
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  because the flood was a global event. So a lot of water. So what I typically talk to people about
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  is incidences where there was a much, much smaller amount of water and did a lot of damage. And I say
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  if that small amount of water could do that damage, imagine what a global flood could do. So just
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  one example, Glen Canyon Dam, Northern Arizona, you got Lake Powell and then you got the dam
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  creating Lake Powell and then Colorado River goes from there out and goes through the canyon
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  into the Grand Canyon. Well, when you have a dam, you don't want water going over the top of the
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  dam or do a lot of damage. And in 1983, there was a lot of snow melt in Colorado and the water
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  was coming down the Colorado River and into Lake Powell there and it was starting to rise.
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  And there was a lot of rainfall too. For every inch of rain they get in that area,
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  it equates to a 12 foot rise in the dam and the lake there because it pools all that water goes
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  into the lake. Well, in 1983, it was in danger of breaching the top of Glen Canyon Dam. I mean,
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  can't have that. They first started putting supplywoods up and still rising and that wasn't going to do
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  it. There are turbines at the bottom that they'll open up to let some water go out underneath so
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  it doesn't go over the top. Those things release 17,000 cubic feet of water every second. So a lot.
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  So they opened them up wasn't enough and there's a larger spillway on the side. These things
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  release 32,000 cubic feet of water every second and it's designed. So it's a big tube designed to
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  have water go around the dam into the into Colorado River so it doesn't go over the top. That's
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  what it's designed to do. So they opened it up in 1983 very shortly after they felt the ground
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  shaking. The water coming out of the spillway was discolored and they saw chunks of stuff flying
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  out. They had to shut it down. They went in there and they found carved there was a gully that was
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  32 feet deep 40 feet wide and 180 feet long. There was carved in just minutes through three-foot
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  thick rebar reinforced concrete and solid sandstone. It's called cavitation when water flows
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  over an uneven surface. It creates these little bubbles. The bubbles don't explode. They actually
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  implode and they cause a lot of damage. So a little bit of water flowing through a tube that was
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  designed to have water flow through it cause all that damage in a very short period of time.
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  Okay now imagine a worldwide flood. What would that do? And that's what you talk about like you
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  said the Grand Canyon because you think oh my goodness because they say some people say it's
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  billions of years and there are millions of years this happened and yeah I think we just have to
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  go back and just kind of reason understand and look at the evidence. There's that e-word again
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  that Jay we're almost out of time again. Is there something that you absolutely wanted to
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  mention briefly that we didn't get to because someone on four as the whole Bible it's just really
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  amazing. Yeah it's hard with it you know 60 seconds that we have left for whatever. I would just
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  challenge people when they're looking at scripture ask what is it that God's telling us about
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  himself because this is God's word. One thing that we skipped over is okay we know there's evidence
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  for God but how do we know it's the God of the Bible? Super quick analogy. If you walked into a
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  Roman there's a cake there you'd know right away someone made the cake you can look at it all day
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  long you wouldn't know who made the cake look at those details that layers and frosting won't tell you
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  but if the creator of the cake left your note you could know look at the universe all the evidence
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  there's no way this is an accident but we wouldn't know who created it why they created it what they
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  want from us what we happen happens to us when we die yeah unless the creator left us a note and
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  that's what the Bible claims to be a note from the creator yeah there's a lot of evidence for that.
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  Message to us and I just think back what you mentioned earlier Romans one
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  they men are without excuse just look at creation friends and there's so much evidence right there
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  and then I think first Corinthians 15 if you want to get into the eyewitness testimony then I
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  think of fulfilled prophecy and then I think of archaeological digs and finds which I'm sure you
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  could speak to that as well but I'm sure you'll have a great time at the conference thanks for
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  and when you're in town here coming in I appreciate being on the program it's it's awesome it's
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  awesome these starting point project dot com make sure to look up Jay and follow him and guys
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  we just thank you hopefully you just encourage you today we have a big God and these were some
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  amazing insights so thanks so much God bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that
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  matter