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DATING APP? SADE ROBINSON, 19, DISMEMBERED, WENT ON DATE WITH WRONG MAN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A dating app Shade Robinson, just nineteen, dismembered, went on
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Speaker 2: a date with the wrong man. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: The search for Shade Robinson's remains continue. Shade's right leg,
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Speaker 3: left foot, torso, and one of her arms were found
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Speaker 3: scattered around Milwaukee more than a month after her death.
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Speaker 3: A second arm washed up on a Wakegan, Illinois beach.
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Speaker 3: It has now been confirmed as Shade's through DNA testing.
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Speaker 3: Shade's head and right leg are still missing, preventing her
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Speaker 3: family from laying her to rest.
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Speaker 2: They can't even have a funeral because they don't have
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Speaker 2: all of their daughter. In the last hours, we learn
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Speaker 2: that LA law enforcement is honing in on dating apps.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if dating.
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Speaker 2: Apps had anything to do with this teen girl's murder
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Speaker 2: and dismemberment, then they need to be outlawed. I don't
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Speaker 2: like saying that, but how many cases do we hear
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Speaker 2: about where women, young ladies, teen girls like Shadai go
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Speaker 2: on a date engineered by a dating app and.
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Speaker 1: They're never seen alive again. Joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: Is a very special guest, a woman I now consider
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Speaker 2: a friend, Sheena Scarborough.
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Speaker 1: This is shaw Dat's mother.
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Speaker 2: Missus Scarborough. This morning when my twins love to go
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Speaker 2: to school. You know, they're just a couple of years
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Speaker 2: younger than Shawda. I watched my daughter walk out, and
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Speaker 2: I knew that tonight I was going to be speaking
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Speaker 2: with you, and my stomach just just just seized up.
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Speaker 4: I just.
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Speaker 2: How do you keep putting one foot in front of
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Speaker 2: the other.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this girl.
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Speaker 2: Was everything, so smart, had her own little apartment that
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Speaker 2: she paid for by herself, had her own little car,
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Speaker 2: was going to college class.
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Speaker 1: It's the whole thing.
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Speaker 4: Oh yes, Nancy, this is so.
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Speaker 5: Challenging daily, I don't know how I'm doing it.
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Speaker 4: I'm walking and shunny spirit and in her grace, I
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Speaker 4: am her voice.
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Speaker 5: I have to speak an advocate through her for others.
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Speaker 5: This is not something that just like pulled up. It happened.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: This is a waking nightmare. Daily.
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Speaker 4: Every day I'll wake up. I can't believe what is
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Speaker 4: taking place. I am Shutty Robinson's mother. This is very ongoing,
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Speaker 4: the tragic. My baby was my everything. She's my light,
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Speaker 4: she's my star. She was so amazingly beautiful, like you
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Speaker 4: stated she was so independent, so sufficient, She had her
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Speaker 4: whole life ahead of her.
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Speaker 5: She worked two jobs. She was dedicated.
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Speaker 4: She was strong, two full time jobs the pizza shuttle.
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Speaker 5: She was ranked up to manager. She started working in
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Speaker 5: the tenth grade.
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Speaker 4: Was ongoing getting promoted dollar raises every six months, so
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Speaker 4: they wanted her to be manager. She worked at the
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Speaker 4: Wisconsin Club part time, the Wisconsin Country Club. She got
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Speaker 4: her little sister a job there. That was her little
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Speaker 4: sister's first job. This has been traumatic and ongoing.
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Speaker 5: She was she was scheduled. She did receive her Associate
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Speaker 5: of Arts degree in May.
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Speaker 4: Nancy, everything has been back to back since the last
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Speaker 4: time I've seen you from the Maxwell Anderson. That hard
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Speaker 4: and hurt my baby. I want that individual and this
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Speaker 4: family held fully accountable. This is unacceptable behavior. My daughter
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Speaker 4: can not Deserboro.
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell you that in the last days,
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Speaker 2: his lawyer has demanded that he have a laptop behind bars.
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Speaker 1: He can kiss my rear end if he's going.
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Speaker 2: To get a private laptop behind bars. Miss Garborough, I'm
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Speaker 2: seeing you and you have definitely you're wasting away. You
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Speaker 2: just I can look at you and you have lost
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Speaker 2: so much weight. You're wasting away. How are you managing
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Speaker 2: to go forward?
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Speaker 4: I can't sleep, Nancy, I can't eat. I'm doing ongoing,
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Speaker 4: you know, therapy alone with my youngest daughter.
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Speaker 3: I have.
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Speaker 4: Symptoms, physical symptoms. I don't mean to get in death,
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Speaker 4: but I don't share this a lot. But since this
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Speaker 4: has happened, I'm very empathic, and I've always been like this.
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Speaker 4: I can literally feel the symptoms of what this person
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Speaker 4: did to my daughter. I literally don't move the same
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Speaker 4: way physically. It's a lot of different layers of things
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Speaker 4: going on with my physical wealth. I can't describe it,
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Speaker 4: but I don't know. Nancy is through. It is very challenging.
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Speaker 2: Guys joining me in addition to Miss Sheena Scarborough, who
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Speaker 2: is Shade's mother, who has vowed to be her daughter's
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Speaker 2: voice throughout all of this, we are still on the
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Speaker 2: search for parts of Shade's body, but we are learning
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Speaker 2: in the last days that police are focusing now on
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Speaker 2: various dating apps as to how this teen girl met
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Speaker 2: up with a much much older man. The defendant his
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Speaker 2: dad highly highly successful. His dad has a big local
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Speaker 2: business who employed him briefly before he was let go.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell Anderson, thirty three years old.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he said to her on this
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Speaker 2: dating app to make her think that it was okay
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Speaker 2: to go with him. But we're not only learning about
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Speaker 2: a potential dating app cant, but we're also learning about
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Speaker 2: an alleged CI, a confidential informant that claims this guy,
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Speaker 2: Maxwell Anderson told him the CI that he was going
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Speaker 2: to lure shaw Day, take her to the basement, shoot her,
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Speaker 2: and dismember her. Now, who the hey knows something like
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Speaker 2: that and does nothing But regarding these newly released warrants, listen.
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Speaker 6: Eight unsealed warrants are giving new insights into the investigation
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Speaker 6: of shaw De Robinson's murder. Newly released surveillance images show
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Speaker 6: Shawde meeting Anderson at the Twisted Fishermen for their date.
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Speaker 6: The warrants also reveal police or reviewing employment records and
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Speaker 6: surveillance from Victor's nightclub. Anderson reportedly worked at Victor's, a
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Speaker 6: club that one of Shawde's coworkers as they frequented. Investigators
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Speaker 6: are trying to determine how Shawde met Anderson.
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Speaker 2: Joining US now investigative reporter and anchor at Fox six Milwaukee, Aaron.
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Speaker 1: Mabon, Aarin thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I've got so much evidence is being uncovered right now,
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Speaker 2: specifically as it relates to what we've discovered in those
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Speaker 2: just unsealed search warrants.
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Speaker 7: What have you learned, well, I think the search warrants
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Speaker 7: it's very clear, Nancy. What the search warrants say is
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Speaker 7: that this was a planned situation according to this informant
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Speaker 7: who came out days after all this kind of was revealed.
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Speaker 7: This person came out afterwards and let investigators know that
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Speaker 7: they went inside Maxwell Anderson's home. They saw three saws
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Speaker 7: in there, they saw tarp in there too, and they
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Speaker 7: had information that this was going to happen. And what's
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Speaker 7: really fascinating, Nancy is then nothing came out until after
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Speaker 7: the death. That's what a lot of people find really
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Speaker 7: chilling in these unsealed search warrants too. So you know
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Speaker 7: a lot of people that we talked about.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, let me understand something. Aaron Maybon joining us
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Speaker 2: fought six Milwaukee. So the sea I, the friend of
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Speaker 2: the defendant Maxwell Anderson, goes into Anderson's home and he
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Speaker 2: sees all this before Shade is murdered.
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Speaker 7: That's what the search warren say that this was seen
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Speaker 7: before Shade was murdered, and this CI had information never
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Speaker 7: came forward.
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Speaker 1: Shade Robinson goes missing.
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Speaker 7: Maxwell Anderson is a prime suspect, and then the CI
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Speaker 7: informs police about what they allegedly saw inside of that home.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely correct, Aaron Mayban listen.
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Speaker 8: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
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Speaker 8: his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,
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Speaker 8: Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
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Speaker 8: friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
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Speaker 8: home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
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Speaker 8: ground that was about five feet long by six foot deep.
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Speaker 8: Anderson said he was working on an un ground basement,
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Speaker 8: despite having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors
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Speaker 8: say the basement in the home had small windows that
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Speaker 8: were always covered so you could not see inside.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, So this so called friend
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Speaker 2: ciconditional informant knew that all of this was going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Based on what you're learning from the warrants, Aaron Maybin
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Speaker 2: had Shade, a teen girl already been targeted as the victim.
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Speaker 7: You know what the warrant looks like. Nancy is that
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Speaker 7: he planned on killing Shade Robinson. According to this search warrant,
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Speaker 7: and again, Maxwell Anderson has not said anything. Attorney not
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Speaker 7: saying a thing either, And that's just you know, what
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Speaker 7: we're reading in here is some pretty chilling stuff. But
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Speaker 7: what's not clear Nancy is why exactly she was picked out,
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Speaker 7: why exactly she was targeted, And that's what family is
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Speaker 7: likely wanted to know too.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So from what I'm understanding, he actually targeted Shahday specifically.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't going to lure.
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Speaker 2: A woman, any woman, to his home, take her down
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Speaker 2: the stairs into the basement, murder and dismember her. It
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Speaker 2: was Shaday specifically that he wanted.
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Speaker 9: Listen, a friend of Anderson's is now working with law
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Speaker 9: enforcement as a confidential informant. The CI tells investigators in
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Speaker 9: early March, Anderson spoke of a plan to lure Shande
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Speaker 9: Robinson to his home, then forced her into the basement
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Speaker 9: at gunpoint, where he would shoot her, then dismember her
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Speaker 9: body and scatter her remains. The CI says Anderson showed
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Speaker 9: in the basement where Anderson had taped plastic paint protectors
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Speaker 9: to the walls and floor. The CI says there were
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Speaker 9: three saws in the prepfed basement.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons help me.
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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security who
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Speaker 2: leads a team of investigators often looking for missing people. Brian,
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Speaker 2: did you hear what a reporter with Crime Online just
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Speaker 2: stated that the CI talk about a day late and
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Speaker 2: a dollar short. The friend of Anderson's spoke of Anderson's
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Speaker 2: plan to lure Shahday specifically.
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Speaker 1: Not just I'm going to get a woman and I'm
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Speaker 1: going to do X Y and Z. It was Shahday.
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Speaker 2: He wanted then to quote force her into the basement
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Speaker 2: at gunpoint, where he would shoot her and dismember her
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Speaker 2: and scatter the remains. And he had prepped it like
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Speaker 2: a spider with a fly. Anderson tape plastic paint protectors
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Speaker 2: to the walls and floor.
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Speaker 1: What about it, Nancy?
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Speaker 10: This speaks to the diabolical premeditation that took place here, okay,
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Speaker 10: And it also speaks to the circs that Anderson was
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Speaker 10: running in the fact that, nearly a month before Shahde
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Speaker 10: went missing, this confidential informant knew specifically about Anderson's plans,
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Speaker 10: specifically with her.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 10: So aside from the evidentiary value of this confidential informance
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Speaker 10: witness statement, you need to it adds a tremendous amount
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Speaker 10: of color to the life that Maxwell Anderson was leading.
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Speaker 2: Okay, see you know what, Fitz Gibbons, you're talking in
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Speaker 2: your USPA Nationwide Security Code all right, speak regular people talk.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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Speaker 2: What did you just say about the color in which
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Speaker 2: his environment was painted? What are you saying? I think
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Speaker 2: what you're saying. Let me just be so bold as
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Speaker 2: to climb out on a limar that.
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Speaker 1: Look at the people he's consorting with.
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Speaker 2: People that you say, Hey, I'm going to get this girl,
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Speaker 2: this teen girl, Shahdai, she's gore, she's brilliant. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to get her and lure her into my basement at gunpoint,
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Speaker 2: force her down there. I'm going to kill her and
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Speaker 2: then I'm going to dismember her and leave her body
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Speaker 2: parts around town for people to find.
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Speaker 1: And this guy does nothing.
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Speaker 2: Man, I'd have been on my cell phone as soon
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Speaker 2: as I got clear of that house.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying to s Gibbon speak English
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Speaker 1: to me, man, that is exactly what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 1: March fifth.
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Speaker 10: This conversation with the confidential informant and Anderson takes place,
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Speaker 10: and he doesn't come forward well over a month and
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Speaker 10: still thirteen days after Shade was missing. You know, this
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Speaker 10: speaks clearly to the type of people that Anderson was
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Speaker 10: associating with.
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Speaker 1: But why her?
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Speaker 2: Why did he target this teen girl, this beautiful girl?
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Speaker 1: Why shaw Day?
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Speaker 11: I'm come here today.
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Speaker 12: This is the hardest thing I would ever have to
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Speaker 12: do in my life to speak Shaddy's voice.
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Speaker 11: Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an amazing girl. Nancy,
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Speaker 11: everything he spoke is exactly what my daughter exerted. I
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Speaker 11: couldn't have asked for any better daughter.
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Speaker 12: There was things my daughter did that many adults were
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Speaker 12: not even able to accomplished in their life times.
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Speaker 11: The son of a took fun daughter from me.
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Speaker 2: That's Shade's mother, She and and Scarborough. She's with us now,
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Speaker 2: missus Scarborough, thank you for speaking out. I mean from
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Speaker 2: when we spoke then to now. I was looking at
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Speaker 2: you on camera before we started our program, and when
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Speaker 2: you pull your hair back.
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Speaker 1: I could just see how much weight you have lost.
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Speaker 2: And now when we are what we're learning from these
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Speaker 2: search warrants that he didn't planning to pick any woman
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Speaker 2: to murder.
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Speaker 1: He targeted shaw Day.
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Speaker 4: Why Nancy, I I don't know why my daughter was
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Speaker 4: chosen to be the voice to speak for individuals in
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Speaker 4: our community, and Milwaukee is very concerning. Milwaukee is a
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Speaker 4: well known place for other serial killers known as you
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Speaker 4: know Dahmer and other type of situations. I feel very
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Speaker 4: unsafe in Milwaukee right now. I'm concerned. As you stated,
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Speaker 4: your your baby's just started school. My baby, her youngest
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Speaker 4: sister just started school as well.
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Speaker 5: Today. I'm concerned for my baby, my youngest.
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Speaker 4: It's a feeling, It's an edge, anxiety, anxious, constant feeling
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Speaker 4: knowing that there are serial killers in our community.
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Speaker 5: This could have been any one of our daughters.
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Speaker 4: I don't know why God selected us to BEAUTI voice
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Speaker 4: to speak for the other missing and murdered individuals in
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Speaker 4: our community.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alla, is joining us out
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Speaker 2: of LA, author of the book deal Breaker. You can
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Speaker 2: see her also on Peacock Now, doctor Bethany Marshall at
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Doctor Bethany Why shaw Day.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get into whole dating app thing in
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Speaker 2: just a moment. Because this CI, this friend is blowing
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Speaker 2: me away. He goes to the perps time who is
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Speaker 2: a rich, spoiled brat suspect.
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Speaker 1: He's had a silver spoon in his mouth. It's day one.
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Speaker 2: But even if Daddy Keith didn't keep him at the office,
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Speaker 2: he had to let him go. I can only imagine this. Oh,
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Speaker 2: I can't even stand a look at him. Why Shunday,
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Speaker 2: Why did he have to pick a teen girl?
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Speaker 13: I have a theory about why shut A. Shud A
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Speaker 13: is gorgeous, young, successful, She already has her AA, two jobs,
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Speaker 13: her own apartment. She is at the top of the world,
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Speaker 13: and compare her to this loser who can't even hold
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Speaker 13: a job in his own father's company. I bet he
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Speaker 13: was envious of her, kind of like in cells where
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Speaker 13: they want to be with the woman.
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Speaker 1: They envy the woman.
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Speaker 13: They think the woman is above them, but they.
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Speaker 1: Want to take the woman down.
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Speaker 13: So there's destructive a envy, there's destructive hatred. I bet
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Speaker 13: he had a lot of targets, but she just rose
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Speaker 13: to the top in terms of his selection.
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Speaker 1: And this CI Nancy.
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Speaker 13: I bet we're going to learn that Maxwell Anderson was
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Speaker 13: a part of some underground either drug community or sex community.
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Speaker 13: And there are more people that knew than just the CI.
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Speaker 13: He wasn't just bragging to one person. He was either
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Speaker 13: a part of a BDSM community, a swinger's community, some
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Speaker 13: community with some perversion like pedophilia, or something that they
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Speaker 13: all held in comment on.
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Speaker 5: There's going to be a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yes, talked to Ethne before I speculate or you lead
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Speaker 2: me down the garden path about underground sex clubs. Can
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Speaker 2: I talk about what I absolutely know because I can't
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Speaker 2: put your speculation no offense in front of a jury.
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Speaker 2: I care about probate effects. If I can't get him
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Speaker 2: into evidence, they don't exist to me. But what I
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Speaker 2: can get into evidence is what I have discovered of
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Speaker 2: these search warrants. I'm going to go back to Aaron
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Speaker 2: Maybon on that regarding dating apps that he was using
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Speaker 2: and how Shade ends up dead and it's.
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Speaker 1: Not the first time this has happened. Listen.
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Speaker 9: Sidney Loof agrees to meet her tender date Audrey again
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Speaker 9: tomorrow night, sharing with friends how excited she is. A
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Speaker 9: man is driving. Audrey picked Sydney up, but Sydney still
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Speaker 9: gets in the car. The next day Sidney misses work
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Speaker 9: and isn't answering her phone. Sidney's friend finds Audrey on tender,
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Speaker 9: who police identify as Bailey Boswell. A month later, parts
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Speaker 9: of Sydney's dismembered body are found discarded in thirty gallon
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Speaker 9: trash bags. Trail admits to accidentally strangling Sidney while forcing
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Speaker 9: her to participate in a porn film.
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Speaker 5: I met her on a Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: I went to take her home and she asked me
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Speaker 4: to drop her off at a friend's house, so I
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Speaker 4: did so.
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Speaker 5: I gave her my number.
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Speaker 4: We were planning to go to the casino that weekend.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't heard from her since.
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Speaker 9: Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called
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Speaker 9: a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
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Speaker 9: has been dug in the concrete floor, A drain in
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Speaker 9: the floor is stuff with towels. The drink cover marked
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Speaker 9: with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
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Speaker 9: a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
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Speaker 9: and exercise of women. The mattress of a queen bed
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Speaker 9: frame is flipped on its side, and betting is tossed
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Speaker 9: over a table in the corner of the room.
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Speaker 2: You are seeing video we have obtained of the so
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Speaker 2: called sex dungeon and the defendant's basement. He was digging
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Speaker 2: another dungeon beneath that. The thought of this beautiful girl,
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Speaker 2: Shade Robinson dying here, being dismembered here, her last moments
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Speaker 2: spent in the basement of a spoiled brat thirty three
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Speaker 2: year old Maxwell Anderson with me is Chade's mother, Sheena Scarborough.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have seen the footage of
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Speaker 2: that basement. It's filthy, it's dug up, it's covered in debris.
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Speaker 2: And this.
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Speaker 1: Defendant picked shah D out of all the women in
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Speaker 1: the area.
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Speaker 2: To lure her down to that filthy basement to murder her.
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Speaker 1: I just don't understand why her. Have you seen that basement?
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Speaker 4: It discusses me, Nancy, my daughter, to not deserve this.
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Speaker 4: This is unsurreal, This is freaking unsurreal.
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Speaker 5: Like I don't know how we.
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Speaker 4: Were placing this nightmare by this demon, okay demon, and
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Speaker 4: I don't want to go there. But there's no other
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Speaker 4: terminology for individuals that move like this, sociopaths, psycho paths,
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Speaker 4: like type energy.
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Speaker 5: Again, like I.
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Speaker 4: Speaking upon what the individual stated earlier, my daughter was
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Speaker 4: very highly achievable successful. I don't know what the motive
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Speaker 4: would have been. I don't know how to feel paths,
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Speaker 4: the cycle paths think like this is unsurreal. But this
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Speaker 4: is very concerning for the Milwaukee community. All individuals and
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Speaker 4: parents in the community. You need to be concerned about
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Speaker 4: your kids right, be concerned where they're at. Shady's voice
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Speaker 4: will be heard, and I'm speaking out for all of
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Speaker 4: the other missing individuals, not just the black and brown,
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Speaker 4: but the missing individuals. There are a young man, there
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Speaker 4: are other individuals of all colors. We represent all missing
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Speaker 4: individuals that.
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Speaker 5: Have not been found.
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Speaker 2: Aaron may have been joining me now, investigative reporter and
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Speaker 2: anchor Fox six in Milwaukee. I want to talk about
23:51
Speaker 2: how and figure out how he identified Shade. And I'm
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Speaker 2: not quite sure probatively speaking, why this matters so much
24:02
Speaker 2: to me that he picked her out, And I'm thinking
24:06
Speaker 2: he left a trail digitally on his computer, on his laptop,
24:12
Speaker 2: on his cell phone. But Victor's bar plays a role
24:16
Speaker 2: in this, and remind me to circle back because I
24:19
Speaker 2: think there's a similar transaction. A woman that claims she
24:22
Speaker 2: went on a date with him and believes that he
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Speaker 2: drugged her or put.
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Speaker 1: Something in her drink.
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Speaker 2: Okay, just to start with that, because I'm wondering and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crown's
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Speaker 2: on whether we can determine anything like that was in
24:35
Speaker 2: Shi Dai's system, even though we don't have all of
24:38
Speaker 2: her body yet. But I think digitally and forensically, it's
24:44
Speaker 2: very important to prove how the two connected, not just
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Speaker 2: a matter of my own curiosity why pick her, but probatively,
24:52
Speaker 2: what can I tell a jury, Aaron, What am I
24:54
Speaker 2: going to learn digitally? What footprint did he lead as
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Speaker 2: to how he stalked her? And what part did Victor's
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Speaker 2: Bar play in this? Did he work at Victor's Bar?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we know that he did work at Victor's Bar,
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Speaker 7: and that's what we kind of knew from the jump,
25:13
Speaker 7: that he was this guy who worked at different bars,
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Speaker 7: different restaurants around the area, and Victors was one of
25:19
Speaker 7: those places. It's not clear exactly when exactly shot A.
25:23
Speaker 7: Robinson came into contact with Maxwell Anderson at Victors, but
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Speaker 7: that was part of the story really early on Nancy,
25:30
Speaker 7: that he was this bartender, this bouncer at Victors and
25:34
Speaker 7: kind of well known in that area, in that vicinity too,
25:39
Speaker 7: And it could have been a place, according to investigators,
25:43
Speaker 7: where he met girls where he interacted with them too.
25:46
Speaker 7: So that's kind of where police are honing in on things.
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Speaker 7: And not only Victor's Bar, but and you touched on
25:52
Speaker 7: this earlier. Dating apps are playing a role in all
25:55
Speaker 7: this too, in this digital footprint. According to a search warrant,
25:59
Speaker 7: he had at least dating apps on his phone. You know,
26:02
Speaker 7: not too unpopular for someone in their twenties and thirties, Nancy,
26:07
Speaker 7: because you know the game has changed. People are meeting
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Speaker 7: in person, but they're also meeting on dating apps.
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Speaker 1: You're right.
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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, how many cases?
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Speaker 1: And I've told a Minia jury this.
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Speaker 2: People covet that which they see, Okay, like David and Mathsheba.
26:30
Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, he looks off as ruthin there she
26:32
Speaker 2: is so he has her husband murdered.
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Speaker 1: It's as old as the story can be.
26:39
Speaker 2: And here there he is working in that bar, got
26:44
Speaker 2: fired from his daddy's business, and he sees shaw Day
26:49
Speaker 2: and she is his target. And he tells his friend,
26:52
Speaker 2: I'm going to get her, not like I'm gonna woo her,
26:55
Speaker 2: and I'm going to treat her like a queen. And
26:58
Speaker 2: you know one day we'll be Oh no, I'm going
27:01
Speaker 2: to get her. I'm going to allure her right here
27:03
Speaker 2: to this house. I'm going to take her down to
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Speaker 2: that base, and I'm going to kill her. Now that's
27:08
Speaker 2: what I think happened. How can I prove it? How
27:11
Speaker 2: can I prove it?
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Speaker 1: Fitz Gibbons.
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Speaker 10: I think most likely their first interaction was at Victor's
27:16
Speaker 10: And then we're hopeful that investigators through these dating apps,
27:21
Speaker 10: through these profiles are going to find that probative evidence
27:24
Speaker 10: that you're looking for to prove Andersen's targeting.
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Speaker 14: Okay, just to watch his targeting and see it unfold digitally.
27:32
Speaker 14: Cops are also honing in on Anderson's dating app activity.
27:35
Speaker 14: A folder in Anderson's home labeled dating contained handwritten logins
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Speaker 14: to bumble, hinge, OkCupid, and Tender. Those notes also contained
27:45
Speaker 14: women's names and information about them. A woman who went
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Speaker 14: on a date with Anderson in February is convinced he
27:51
Speaker 14: drugged her drink.
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Speaker 1: Is there a similar transaction?
27:55
Speaker 2: Are there other women out there that interacted with this guy,
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Speaker 2: Maxwell Anderson that lived to tell the tale, or are
28:05
Speaker 2: there other women who became his murder victims. We're trying
28:09
Speaker 2: to piece together everything we know. Joining me right now,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, renowned chief medical Examiner, Terrance County Lecturer
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Speaker 2: at the esteemed Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas
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Speaker 2: Christian University, Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with
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Speaker 2: us and let me hit you right off the top.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever analyzed a dismemberment case?
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Speaker 15: Yes, over the years, I've analyzed several dismemberment cases in
28:40
Speaker 15: my career.
28:41
Speaker 2: How will we be able to tell whether these injuries
28:44
Speaker 2: to shade happened pre mortem or after death post mortem?
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Speaker 15: So there's a couple of ways to tell. Usually, when
28:51
Speaker 15: someone is alive and they're shot or stabbed, they will
28:55
Speaker 15: be hemorrhage into the tissues surrounding the injuries. The heart
29:00
Speaker 15: stops beating these injuries. These tissues won't have the hemorrhage
29:04
Speaker 15: in them if you cause further damage, So if you're
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Speaker 15: cutting a limb off or something like that, the cut
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Speaker 15: area will be bloodless. So that's one way you can
29:14
Speaker 15: tell it. The only problem is is when those limbs
29:16
Speaker 15: get thrown into water or get rained on something like that,
29:19
Speaker 15: the water can actually wash the blood out of the tissues,
29:23
Speaker 15: so it will make it kind of hard to tell
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Speaker 15: if it happened pre mortem or post mortem. But the
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Speaker 15: one main thing is is you can look for hemorrhage
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Speaker 15: in the tissue.
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Speaker 1: I got to understand what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns.
29:37
Speaker 2: You said to tell if the injuries, the dismemberment occurred
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Speaker 2: before death or after death, that you would look for
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Speaker 2: hemorrhaging at the sight of the semmer where the limb
29:51
Speaker 2: was cut, where the leg was cut off.
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Speaker 1: Now what does that mean?
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Speaker 14: Correct?
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Speaker 1: Did at that point.
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Speaker 5: Was she?
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Speaker 1: Did? She bleed? She did not bleed. It was postmortem
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Speaker 1: after death because the heart was no longer pumping.
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Speaker 5: Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct.
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Speaker 11: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Then you said if the body parts, which is a
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Speaker 2: leg or an arm, had been in water or rained upon,
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Speaker 2: it would destroy that evidence. In other words, you won't
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Speaker 2: be able to see even under a microscope if there
30:21
Speaker 2: had been hemorrhaging, in other words, bleeding.
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Speaker 15: Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct. The
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Speaker 15: water will wash out the blood out of the tissues
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Speaker 15: as it's in them, is it's in a watery environment
30:31
Speaker 15: for a long period of time.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Many of these body parts of this gorgeous girl were
30:48
Speaker 2: left out in the open, Aaron Maybin very quickly investigating
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Speaker 2: reporter Fox six Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: Her body parts of this girl were left all over
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Speaker 1: and that was his plan.
31:02
Speaker 2: He told the CI his friend, like the devil can
31:05
Speaker 2: have a friend, he tells his friend that he's going
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Speaker 2: to lure her, take her down into the basement ie
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Speaker 2: sex dungeon looks like a filthy basement in me, kill
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Speaker 2: her and then dismember her and leave her body parts
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Speaker 2: all over town.
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Speaker 1: That was his original plan. Aaron Mabon, isn't that true?
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Speaker 7: And Nancy, when you look at the map that we're
31:27
Speaker 7: looking at right now, that's something because you have to
31:30
Speaker 7: realize that those body parts were left or other people
31:33
Speaker 7: to find. So people walking on the beach and they
31:36
Speaker 7: just find a severed arm. They're walking through their neighborhood
31:39
Speaker 7: near a playground, Nancy, and they are finding body parts too.
31:44
Speaker 7: So yeah, according to the CI, that was a goal
31:46
Speaker 7: to dismember the body. Sprinkle it throughout town. We know
31:49
Speaker 7: from police that there's surveillance evidence of him on different
31:54
Speaker 7: bus routes him all over town. And they have piece
31:58
Speaker 7: it together like this right here with the bat. They
32:00
Speaker 7: pieced it together that he was just dumping body parts
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Speaker 7: all over the place.
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Speaker 1: One part even left.
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Speaker 7: The state of Wisconsin. It went to Illinois and washed
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Speaker 7: down the shore to Illinois where someone else found that
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Speaker 7: body part.
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Speaker 2: Maybon, Maybon, you're actually making my stomach physically hurt right now.
32:21
Speaker 2: You're actually making my stomach hurt. Doctor hold on, Doctor
32:25
Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, because I got to talk to you about
32:28
Speaker 2: how difficult it is to actually dismember someone, and how
32:31
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this ain't this guy's first time at
32:33
Speaker 2: the rodeo, all right, because he planned this whole thing out. Hold,
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Speaker 2: doctor Crowns, Doctor Bethany Marshall, you gotta help me right now,
32:42
Speaker 2: because this was his plan all along to get this girl,
32:46
Speaker 2: not any girl, shah Day as I said, the jewel
32:49
Speaker 2: in the crown, the gorgeous girl sitting at his bar
32:52
Speaker 2: at Victor's, he gets, sir, and all along he told
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Speaker 2: his friend up front he's going to get her her
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Speaker 2: take her in the basement a gunpoint, kill her and
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Speaker 2: dismever her and put her body parts all over town.
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Speaker 11: What is that?
33:08
Speaker 2: Why would he put this girl's body parts where other
33:11
Speaker 2: people can find them.
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Speaker 13: You know what's interesting, Nancy, is he doesn't seem to
33:15
Speaker 13: be scattering her remains in order to not be ided.
33:18
Speaker 13: He's scattering them because he wants to have power over
33:21
Speaker 13: the community.
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Speaker 1: He wants to terrify and terrorize everybody. Big guys, I
33:28
Speaker 1: don't even know what you're saying. He wanted to have
33:30
Speaker 1: power over the community, terrify the community, right now, that's
33:36
Speaker 1: not what happened. I'm not but I know he didn't
33:40
Speaker 1: do this to have power over the community. I've never
33:42
Speaker 1: even heard anything like that.
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Speaker 5: But this reminds me.
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Speaker 2: See a freak. He is a devil straight from hell.
33:49
Speaker 2: That's why he did it. But there's got to be
33:51
Speaker 2: most killers, Bethany. They want to hide the body. They
33:55
Speaker 2: bury it, they put it in the ocean, they weigh
33:58
Speaker 2: it down with semit Brooks, like Scott Peters and did Lacy.
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Speaker 2: This guy left her remains in public parks for children
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Speaker 2: to find.
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Speaker 1: Now straight that focus focus, Well, I.
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Speaker 13: Think somehow that was sexually exciting to him. Just like
34:14
Speaker 13: the sexual sadism you and I often talk about where
34:18
Speaker 13: the perpetrator inflicts cruelty in order to increase sexual arousal.
34:23
Speaker 13: That this is just prolonging the crime, and it's sort
34:26
Speaker 13: of exciting to scatter these parts all over the community
34:30
Speaker 13: and to imagine what their reactions will be. This is
34:33
Speaker 13: a little guy who can't get a job at his
34:36
Speaker 13: own father's store. He's small in life, he's small in stature,
34:40
Speaker 13: he's small psychologically, and this is the only way he
34:45
Speaker 13: can get excitement. Is this form of thrill seeking. It
34:50
Speaker 13: actually reminds me, Nancy, you said free.
34:52
Speaker 2: I got to go to Miss Garborough, Miss Scarborough, just
34:57
Speaker 2: the thought of the this devil after what he did
35:03
Speaker 2: to shaw Day then taking her body part and lee
35:09
Speaker 2: what on the kid's slide at the playground and somehow
35:13
Speaker 2: enjoying that. I don't understand how anybody can be so evil.
35:19
Speaker 2: And he's not crazy, he's not crazy, he's sane.
35:24
Speaker 5: It's a sex son of a I'm sorry, excuse my language.
35:28
Speaker 4: I can that this is I don't even know how
35:31
Speaker 4: I'm present to be able to be here and discuss
35:33
Speaker 4: these things with you. But again, my community needs to
35:36
Speaker 4: be aware and they need to know what's going on.
35:38
Speaker 4: They need to be watching out for their kids. Look
35:40
Speaker 4: what type of individual justice? Why would you harm my baby?
35:45
Speaker 4: She hurt nobody. She was angelic, She put out good energy.
35:50
Speaker 4: She helped others. He was there for the community. She
35:54
Speaker 4: was there for the elders, the young people, her peers.
35:57
Speaker 4: She was constantly giving back. There is something deeper into this,
36:03
Speaker 4: but the truth is going to be told. We are
36:08
Speaker 4: worthy for a jury, the trial dream. I want justice
36:13
Speaker 4: for Shutte. I want the truth to be told.
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Speaker 2: Now we are learning that this spoiled Bratt Maxwell Anderson,
36:20
Speaker 2: aged thirty three, working part time and to get pick
36:22
Speaker 2: up a job, turned his cell phone off. Wow, sounds
36:27
Speaker 2: a lot like Brian Cooberger at the same time Shade
36:33
Speaker 2: was murdered. Let me go very quickly to doctor Kendall
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Speaker 2: Crowns before I get off on the cell phone and
36:38
Speaker 2: what it means that coincidentally he turned his phone off
36:43
Speaker 2: at the exact time Shaide was killed. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
36:47
Speaker 2: how difficult is it to dismember a human body?
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Speaker 1: I mean this was his plan all along. He told
36:58
Speaker 1: the CI that and he did so.
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Speaker 15: It depends on how you dismember the individual. If you
37:04
Speaker 15: cut it joint spaces, like along the wrist or the
37:08
Speaker 15: elbow or the shoulder, you can actually pull the limb
37:12
Speaker 15: off quite easily. But if you start cutting in the
37:16
Speaker 15: midshaft of the bone itself, it's very hard to get
37:18
Speaker 15: through the bone. So if you know what you're doing,
37:22
Speaker 15: you can dismember an individual quite quickly.
37:24
Speaker 1: But if you're focusing on wait, if you know what
37:27
Speaker 1: you're doing, did you just say that I'm sorry?
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Speaker 15: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Did you just say If you know what you're doing,
37:34
Speaker 2: you can dismember human very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well let's just go.
37:38
Speaker 2: Let me just again go out on a limb and
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Speaker 2: pretend this is his first time dismembering someone.
37:44
Speaker 1: How did he know what he's doing?
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Speaker 15: Well, if he has any background in hunting or cooking
37:50
Speaker 15: or anything like that where he's worked with chickens, it's
37:53
Speaker 15: if you understand where the joint spaces are, you can
37:56
Speaker 15: dismember an individual quite quickly. But again, if you don't
38:00
Speaker 15: understand that.
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Speaker 2: You say, do you mean my quickly? I think you
38:02
Speaker 2: and I are in two different time space continuums.
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Speaker 4: What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: You can dismember a body relatively quickly?
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Speaker 15: Again, you can take the if you go for their
38:13
Speaker 15: joint spaces, you can take each arm.
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Speaker 1: Off each What is quickly? What is quickly? To doctor
38:20
Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, What does that mean to you? How quickly
38:24
Speaker 1: can you dismember under an hour? Wait, we're not talking
38:27
Speaker 1: about Dexter.
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Speaker 2: It takes an hour for one one episode of Dexter,
38:34
Speaker 2: and that's start to finish alpha Omega.
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Speaker 1: Soup to nuts.
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Speaker 2: You're telling me a body can be dismembered by an
38:42
Speaker 2: amateur in an hour.
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Speaker 15: Well, by an amateur, it'd probably take over an hour,
38:47
Speaker 15: maybe longer, maybe several hours. Again, it's just what is
38:51
Speaker 15: their knowledge base for taking a part limbs?
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to go with what you just said.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Marshall. The dismemberment of this little girl was part
39:07
Speaker 2: of his fantasy.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I bet you.
39:10
Speaker 2: He dragged it out, the placing of the body bars
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Speaker 2: on the kid's slide, So it's almost more than I
39:17
Speaker 2: can take, can't.
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Speaker 1: I hate to even say it in front of Miss
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Speaker 1: Shena Nacy.
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Speaker 13: I didn't want to say this in front of missus Robinson,
39:23
Speaker 13: and I don't want to be offensive, but this was
39:25
Speaker 13: a sexually motivated crime. This is a beautiful young woman
39:28
Speaker 13: and torturing her, dragging this out, dismembering her. All of
39:32
Speaker 13: those acts of cruelty were to enhance his sexual arousal.
39:36
Speaker 13: But nancy then placing the body parts around shocking other people,
39:41
Speaker 13: it's the element of shock that made him sexually excited.
39:45
Speaker 13: So this guy is just prolonging the crime, and he
39:49
Speaker 13: probably built up to it for a.
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Speaker 1: Long long time.
39:52
Speaker 13: Even in terms of the dismembering. I would look at
39:54
Speaker 13: his computer and see if he googled how to do that,
39:58
Speaker 13: because he was already planned to do it.
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Speaker 2: You know, when I look at these pictures of shah
40:03
Speaker 2: Dah in life, it's hard for me to reconcile these vibrant,
40:09
Speaker 2: beautiful photos with what I know happened in his filthy,
40:15
Speaker 2: disgusting basement.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, Our duty is not to turn
40:22
Speaker 1: away from the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Our duty is to seek the truth and thereby seek
40:30
Speaker 2: a true verdict, regardless of the nature of the evidence.
40:34
Speaker 2: And that is exactly what we will do in this case.
40:38
Speaker 2: We will seek the truth as to what happened to
40:41
Speaker 2: this tink girl, shah Day, and we will pray.
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Speaker 1: For her mother. We wait as justice unfalls goodbye friend,