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Murder In Moscow: The Bizarre World Of Hybristophilia And Bryan Kohberger · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Recently,
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  Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about how there's a
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  Speaker 1: group on Reddit who is basically out here supporting Brian
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  Speaker 1: Cohberger and not only supporting him, but acting real weird
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  Speaker 1: while they do it. Now, this is not something new,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, this is something that happens a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times with these killers or alleged killers who end
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  Speaker 1: up getting arrested in these cases of notoriety. We have
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  Speaker 1: saw it with Richard Ramirez. We've seen it with Shanan
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  Speaker 1: Watt's husband I forget his name right now. We saw
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  Speaker 1: it with Scott Peterson. I mean, the list goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on and on and on, and now with Brian Cohberger,
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing the same thing. And there's a whole ass
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  Speaker 1: subreddit that's been set up in honor of this dude. Now, look,
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  Speaker 1: it's one thing to think that there's not enough evidence
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  Speaker 1: to send this guy to the clink. I get that.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly an argument can be made that the government hasn't
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  Speaker 1: produced enough evidence to get a conviction yet. You can
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  Speaker 1: certainly make that argument. But as far as hopping on
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  Speaker 1: a subreddit and acting like Brian Colberger is some kind
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  Speaker 1: of great guy or some kind of codlike figure. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that shit is absurd, and if you're engaging in that behavior,
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  Speaker 1: chances are you're batshit crazy yourself. So today there's an
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  Speaker 1: article from Fox News and we're gonna dive into it
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  Speaker 1: and see what they have to say about this forum.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get busy. This article was published by Fox
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  Speaker 1: News and the author of this article is Michael Ruiz.
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  Speaker 1: Headline Idaho murder suspect Brian Colberger who has distant admirers
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  Speaker 1: who lavish praise and question his guilt. Idaho murder suspect
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger has a small but active following among sympathetic
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  Speaker 1: social media users. There are a handful of social media
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  Speaker 1: groups sympathetic to Coburger, who is accused of stabbing for
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  Speaker 1: University of Idaho students to death for not publicly known reasons.
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  Speaker 1: He could face the death penalty if convicted. And we
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  Speaker 1: see the same thing happen in a lot of cases,
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  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, and we even saw the same
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  Speaker 1: thing with Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell, and we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: it now. There's people out there that'll tell you that
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  Speaker 1: they have all kinds of information that's gonna shake the
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  Speaker 1: case up. Meanwhile, all they do is job stanking ass
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  Speaker 1: busted ass eggs on a regular basis and push a
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  Speaker 1: narrative that is absolutely the monstrably false. So I guess
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  Speaker 1: my point is, no matter how big the monster is,
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  Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a cadre of people out there
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  Speaker 1: who want to support this person for whatever reason. There
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  Speaker 1: is justice for Brian Koberger on Facebook with three thousand
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  Speaker 1: members created just days after his arrest. There's the Bran
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  Speaker 1: Nation on Reddit with the thread titled what was it
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  Speaker 1: about Brian that got your liking? And Brian Coberger has
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  Speaker 1: another thread titled why Brian Coburger is not guilty that
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  Speaker 1: garnered hundreds of comments. Well, I don't see that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thread being all that crazy. Like I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: there's people out there, actual normal people, who are questioning
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  Speaker 1: the evidence against Brian Coburger, and that's certainly a road
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  Speaker 1: that is worth traveling. Right, we don't know all of
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that's been gathered by the state, But when
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  Speaker 1: you take it a step further and you become an
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  Speaker 1: admirer and you're out here, you know, talking about how
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  Speaker 1: you love them, you're sending the money that's the batshit
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  Speaker 1: behavior that I'm talking about, not sitting in a thread
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  Speaker 1: and having a discussion about if the guys innocent are guilty.
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  Speaker 1: And there is a Facebook user who says she is
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  Speaker 1: a single mom from Kentucky and has penned dozens of
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  Speaker 1: love notes describing the suspect as her divine masculine. Every
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  Speaker 1: time I hear that, I think about Luca Brazzi from
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  Speaker 1: The Godfather. I hope your first child is a masculine child.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for real, what does that even mean? He's
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  Speaker 1: my divine masculine? Sounds like some shit you'd find him
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  Speaker 1: like a Hustler magazine in nineteen eighty seven. In one
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  Speaker 1: of the letters sent to the editor. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: police in Moscow, Idaho, accused him of stalking the King
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  Speaker 1: Rode Home at least a dozen times before entering the
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  Speaker 1: dark of night and stabbing Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Xana Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. There are also tales from women who
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  Speaker 1: met him face to face, alleging extremely awkward behavior and
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  Speaker 1: creepy vibes. A TikToker from his home state of Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: said she had to pretend to puke to get him
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  Speaker 1: to leave after an awkward movie date. Imagine being that guy.
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  Speaker 1: You're such a weirdo, such a creep that the girl
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  Speaker 1: that you're out on a date with goes into the
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  Speaker 1: bathroom and makes pretend she's thrown up to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of your ass. At that point, you need to do
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  Speaker 1: some self evaluation, right, maybe have a come to Jesus moment,
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  Speaker 1: maybe find yourself a life coach. Whatever. But the path
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  Speaker 1: you're on, my friend, is not the right one. And
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  Speaker 1: two Idahost students claimed in an interview with People that
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  Speaker 1: Coburger frequented their student union building despite attending another school
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  Speaker 1: and had a staring problem. There is just something so
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  Speaker 1: magnetic about Brian. One frequent pro Coburger Reddit commenter, told
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  Speaker 1: Fox News Digital on Tuesday, if he really did creep
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  Speaker 1: women out, I don't know why. If he stared at
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  Speaker 1: me intensely, I would have walked over to him. I
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  Speaker 1: will never understand these people who are in love with
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  Speaker 1: inmates and shit. Now, I get it, right, If you
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  Speaker 1: have a boyfriend or a girlfriend, husband, wife, whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: they get arrested and go to prison, well that's one thing.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're somebody who's single on the outside and
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  Speaker 1: you have a regular life and all the rest of
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  Speaker 1: that shit. What are you doing out here trolling the
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  Speaker 1: internet or troll the prison system looking for your next
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  Speaker 1: divine masculine? What does that even mean? And why don't
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  Speaker 1: you just go out to the bar and find a dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's really not that difficult, right, got to get up
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, take a shower, brush your teeth, don't
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  Speaker 1: do methanphetamine, you know, very basic stuff. And like they say,
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  Speaker 1: there's somebody for everybody out there. So these women, especially
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  Speaker 1: who are out here trying to fall in love with convicts,
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  Speaker 1: I'll never understand it, especially when they have kids in
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  Speaker 1: a family. You already know what kind of sick bastard
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with. What if they get out, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: move them in with your family. Yeah, that sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a real solid move. She identified herself as Jane Doe
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  Speaker 1: and declined to speak on the phone. Her Reddit profile
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  Speaker 1: shows her account was created exactly a month after Colburger's arrest,
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  Speaker 1: and she said she wasn't trolling when posted about liking
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  Speaker 1: the quadruple murder suspect. Well, she wouldn't talk on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just a an account on Reddit, so who
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  Speaker 1: knows if it's a troll. We have to keep that
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  Speaker 1: in mind as well. Remember this is the Internet and
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  Speaker 1: people love the fuck around, so I always take everything
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  Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, obviously when we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: anonymous sources, especially ones on the Internet. But there are
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  Speaker 1: people out here that are this batshit insane, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not like this is that big of a stretch. She said.
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  Speaker 1: She first saw the mugshot and thought he was a
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  Speaker 1: hot suspect. She said she felt drawn to his pictures
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  Speaker 1: as coverage progressed, and eventually turned to Google to find
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  Speaker 1: like minded posters. I'm a psychopath and I'm drawn to
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  Speaker 1: dark triad personalities, she claimed. If any of the information
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  Speaker 1: that has come out about him is true, this would
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  Speaker 1: be part of it for me, all right. So this person,
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  Speaker 1: whoever it is behind the account, if it's not a troll,
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  Speaker 1: really should seek some mental help asap. If you're really
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  Speaker 1: out here and getting turned on by the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this dude allegedly murdered for college kids while they were
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  Speaker 1: in their beds in their homes, then you're a fucking
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  Speaker 1: unit and you need to get your head checked asap.
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  Speaker 1: She also said she has hybristophelia, a condition the American
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  Speaker 1: Psychological Association defines as a sexual interest in the attraction
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  Speaker 1: to those who commit crimes. In some cases, this may
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  Speaker 1: be directed toward people in prison for various types of
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  Speaker 1: criminal activities. I mean, it is bizarre, but there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole ass cottage industry behind it. I know I've mentioned
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  Speaker 1: it before, and I'm sure a lot of you out
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  Speaker 1: there don't watch garbage TV. It's one of my vices,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, but I watched that dumb ass show
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  Speaker 1: Love After lock Up, and it's like a car crash
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  Speaker 1: that I can't turn away from. You have women out
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  Speaker 1: here that have like real lives, jobs, good jobs, families,
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  Speaker 1: and they drop all of that for some conniving ass convict.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, ninety nine out of one hundred times
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  Speaker 1: that shit's going to explode like a dirty bomb in
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  Speaker 1: a terrorist basement. It's very rare. According to criminal profiler
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  Speaker 1: and psychotherapist John Kelly, I gotta tell you, twenty six
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  Speaker 1: years private practice, four years in the hospital, I never
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  Speaker 1: came across it, he told Fox News Digital. Neither have
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  Speaker 1: any of his colleagues or professional friends he added, I
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  Speaker 1: think there's some people yanking our chain just to get
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  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes of fame. But I also do
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  Speaker 1: know for sure with the mall with a mail and
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  Speaker 1: everything Ted Bundy used to get the love letters, Charles
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  Speaker 1: Manson got it is definitely a very weird codependency illness.
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  Speaker 1: The appeal of a hybristophilia type attraction can be the
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  Speaker 1: long distance, he said, and relative safety. Despite the allegations
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  Speaker 1: of violent crime. He's incarcerated, so it's really safe, he said.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to have an up close and personal relationship.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Look, there's a lot of people out
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  Speaker 1: there that severely are traumatized and certainly need to seek
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  Speaker 1: out some professional help. And if you're out here writ
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  Speaker 1: into these killers, I would think that you fall into
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  Speaker 1: that category. Coburger, twenty eight, is being held without bail
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  Speaker 1: at the Layta County Jail in Moscow, Idaho, the same
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  Speaker 1: town where he allegedly snuck into his six bedroom home
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and ambushed four University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students, some of whom may have been sleeping
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  Speaker 1: at the start of the attack. An attempt to contact
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  Speaker 1: Coburger over the jail messaging app was unsuccessful on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: The recipient has no permission to view the message. A
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  Speaker 1: pop up error stated, I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were talking about how there were levers to contact Brian Colberger,
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  Speaker 1: and I just shook my head when I saw those
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  Speaker 1: reports as well. Why would anyone want to contact this dude?
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  Speaker 1: But another redditor posted on February thirteenth and a screenshot
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  Speaker 1: with it claiming she sent him fifty dollars for the
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  Speaker 1: jailhouse messaging app as an early Valentine's Day gift. Colberger,
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  Speaker 1: who is reportedly a recovering heroin addict with socially awkward tendencies,
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  Speaker 1: has a master's degree in criminal justice from Dasallas University
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  Speaker 1: and was studying for a PhD at Washington State University,
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  Speaker 1: less than ten miles from the victim's school. Prior to
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  Speaker 1: the attack, police alleged Coburger stalked the home at least
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  Speaker 1: a dozen times, and according to the arrest AFFID David,
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  Speaker 1: he returned again hours after the slayings. Colberger was arrested
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  Speaker 1: at his parents' house in the Poconos on December thirtieth,
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  Speaker 1: and is due back in Idaho court on June twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixth for the start of his preliminary hearing, which could
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  Speaker 1: take four to five days. In a statement through his
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  Speaker 1: former Pennsylvania attorney, Jason Lebar, Coburger said he's looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to being exonerated. Yeah, I'm looking for to going to
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  Speaker 1: the casino this weekend and getting rich. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think is gonna happen? Am I gonna come home poor?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think I'm gonna hit that jackpot? Coberger's
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  Speaker 1: Idaho attorney, Cootney County Public Defender Anne Taylor, plans to
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  Speaker 1: challenge the probable cause for his arrest during the June proceedings.
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  Speaker 1: She has not responded to multiple requests for comment, and,
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  Speaker 1: along with prosecutors, investigators, and attorneys for witnesses and the
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  Speaker 1: victims' families, is subject to a restrictive gag order which
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  Speaker 1: has been appealed by both the Gonsalves family attorney and
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  Speaker 1: the coalition of media organizations. And we know that this
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  Speaker 1: is now making its way through the Supreme Court in Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: and we should have some resolution at some point. And
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  Speaker 1: when we do get that ruling from the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get it updated and into the catalog asap. As
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  Speaker 1: for this episode that's gonna do it. All of the
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