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Geoff Schwartz on the college football and NFL seasons, Oregon falls again, Big 12 getting more than one CFP team (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: We have reached a point in the season where our
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  Speaker 2: guy Jeff Schwartz is so depressed over how Oregon is
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  Speaker 2: performing that he's doing it. University of Utah Film Study.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm happy we're here. Jeff Schwartz, NFL veteran, former
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  Speaker 2: Oregon Duck, betting expert, NFL expert, college football expert. He's
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  Speaker 2: an expert on a lot of things. He joins us. Hi, Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: You're taking pleasure in my pain? Is that a word
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  Speaker 3: I just heard?
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  Speaker 2: A little bit. A little bit, yeah. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just part of our friendship.
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  Speaker 3: I did not get a text from Kono. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: glad that I think when it's also, it's weird because
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  Speaker 3: you Washington USC also aren't very good. So like, it's
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  Speaker 3: been a, it's been a fairly like fairly tame, like
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  Speaker 3: response on social media. It's mostly just duck fans tweeting
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  Speaker 3: at me. Cause like, what are Washington fans going to say?
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  Speaker 3: What are USC fans going to say? Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I see this thing. It's just, it's the dumbest thing ever. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like, Dan Lanning, you know, his speeches and blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 3: his appearances. I'm like, what has Chesney done for 24
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  Speaker 3: hours to do a national TV appearance? Of course, why
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  Speaker 3: would you not? They put out a video today of
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  Speaker 3: Chesney talking before the Oregon game, like a great speech.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you put that stuff after you. When you lose,
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  Speaker 3: you don't. I don't know why this is a controversial thing. Like,
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  Speaker 3: show the Ducks first then when you lose. No one
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  Speaker 3: shows a highlight video when they lose. Who does that?
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: I saw a graphic today that had the 10 highest-paid
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  Speaker 3: coaches in all of college football, and it listed out
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  Speaker 3: their accomplishments, like conference championship, playoff appearance, playoff win, and
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  Speaker 3: national championship. And Dan Lanning is the youngest on that
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  Speaker 3: list by four years. And I'm disappointed with how the
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  Speaker 3: season has gone. It hasn't gone the way that it should,
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  Speaker 3: but I still have a lot of faith in our program.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a bummer. You know, we can't turn
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  Speaker 3: the ball over six times, you know? And with all
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  Speaker 3: that being said, had a chance to tie the game
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  Speaker 3: and go to overtime. We'd probably win in overtime, right? So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we've spent a lot of time talking about
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  Speaker 3: Oregon over the years, me and you, and what the
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  Speaker 3: Oregon's done, and we've talked about this often, is they
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  Speaker 3: win a lot of the margins, you know? And they
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  Speaker 3: haven't done it at all this year. Just like zero
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  Speaker 3: of the margins have been won. You know, fourth down's
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  Speaker 3: terrible this year. Two-point conversion attempts were terrible this year.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, it's a bad year. It stinks.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't felt this way in October and a season forever.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this, give me 12 playoff teams
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  Speaker 3: right now. You know, like, so a lot of football left.
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  Speaker 3: I was talking with someone about this today. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the big 12 could have two playoff teams. If Utah
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  Speaker 3: plays Texas tech and they're both 12 in the, in
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  Speaker 3: the big 10 championship game, they're both going to play
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  Speaker 3: off the way things are breaking right now.
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  Speaker 2: So right now I just looked at this during the break.
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  Speaker 2: Utah's got, according to some metric, they've got a 51%
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  Speaker 2: chance to make the college football playoff. And look, we're
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  Speaker 2: the home of the youths. I love seeing something like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot to talk about with this team. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about with this roster. We talked
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  Speaker 2: about this before week one even happened. Until you get
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  Speaker 2: to the Houston game, you will not have played anybody.
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  Speaker 2: And that is still the truth. I mean, Utah is
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  Speaker 2: showing us who they are. They're a team that is
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  Speaker 2: capable of winning and covering against inferior competition. And I
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to mollywop Colorado this week. And then
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  Speaker 2: we're going to see what happens against Houston. And when
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  Speaker 2: they win that game, if they win that game, then
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  Speaker 2: I'll start to pay a little bit more attention to
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  Speaker 2: some of these lofty expectations. But everyone in sports should
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  Speaker 2: have learned this lesson many times over that Oregon might
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  Speaker 2: be better at the end of the year than they
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  Speaker 2: are now. Utah might be better at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the year than they are now. They might not. And
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  Speaker 2: we just have to let it play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. But you're allowed as a fan to get
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  Speaker 3: a little ahead of yourself, I think, right? Like Utah
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  Speaker 3: to me has looked better than I thought they would. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was watching the film for the Joe
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  Speaker 3: Moore Award. That's why I was, you know, I was
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  Speaker 3: looking at Utah to see, you know, we're putting on
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  Speaker 3: a mid-season honor roll, come out pretty soon. And so
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  Speaker 3: I was looking, you know, doing my checks and whatnot.
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  Speaker 3: And I've watched a Utah film last couple of weeks
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  Speaker 3: just to, you guys are scoring a lot of points, right?
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  Speaker 3: You tend to look at teams that score a lot
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  Speaker 3: of points. Like what are the reasons why? And some
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  Speaker 3: of the stuff you guys do on offense, buddy, I
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  Speaker 3: don't even know how to explain it. I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know what they call it in the huddle. I want
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  Speaker 3: to know what they call it in the huddle.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have Kevin McGiven on. We'll record the interview
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  Speaker 2: with him this week. We'll record it tomorrow. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: the play that you put on your Twitter where they
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  Speaker 2: have two quarterbacks who start the play or start the
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  Speaker 2: formation lined up out as wide receivers, and then they
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  Speaker 2: motion together back into the backfield. So you've got two quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: two running backs, two tight ends. You've got a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of everything.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was two quarterbacks, two wide receivers, two tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: Right, sorry, two quarterbacks, two wide receivers, not two running backs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so you've got these insane sort of combinations, and then
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  Speaker 2: the motions that they run and the blocking schemes that
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  Speaker 2: they run off of those things, especially if one of
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  Speaker 2: those tight ends is Semitao Longo, who's 320 pounds.
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  Speaker 1: It's really crazy.
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  Speaker 2: A novel offense. It's really different. And it's something that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think we're having so much fun watching,
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  Speaker 2: but how much of that can you make your bread
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  Speaker 2: and butter?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So this is, this is sort of, I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: we talked about this because, you know, I've, I've long
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  Speaker 3: believed that you need to have sort of a, a
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  Speaker 3: base offense and a lot of these fun things you
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  Speaker 3: guys do. aren't going to work as well. Historically, they've
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  Speaker 3: not worked as well against better defenses, right? Because it
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  Speaker 3: is a lot of eye candy. It's a lot of...
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  Speaker 3: Gimmick's the wrong word to use, but there's just a
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  Speaker 3: lot happening on these plays, and better teams just aren't
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  Speaker 3: going to get fooled by it. Then it comes down
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  Speaker 3: to just, are you blocking and tackling? It's not offensively,
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  Speaker 3: but blocking and executing better than the opponent, right? But
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  Speaker 3: some of the stuff, even... There was a play, first
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  Speaker 3: play of the second half, you had a... You were
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  Speaker 3: in empty... You motioned Parker from right to left, and
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  Speaker 3: then it was like a quarterback trap or a run
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  Speaker 3: to left with Parker with a tackle pulling. Like you
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  Speaker 3: two see a G play and then like a trap,
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  Speaker 3: and you read the defensive tackle. Like that stuff is wild, man.
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  Speaker 2: And it works.
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  Speaker 3: It works really well. And so I will see Houston
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  Speaker 3: a couple weeks. I do think you guys just– I
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  Speaker 3: think Colorado is dead, deader than dead. Any concern at
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  Speaker 3: all about the defense, though? Kansas threw the ball. I
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  Speaker 3: know the first half was mostly, I think it was
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  Speaker 3: they scored 70 points off turnovers, right? If we count
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  Speaker 3: fourth down, being stopped on fourth down. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if that's a big deal. But second half, they
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  Speaker 3: threw the ball pretty well. They shouldn't score points.
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  Speaker 2: When you've got, there was, in the third quarter, I think, right?
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  Speaker 2: As the fourth quarter was starting, they had, Kansas being day,
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  Speaker 2: had 250 yards on chunk plays and like 49 yards
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  Speaker 2: outside of chunk plays. And I was like, wait, how
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  Speaker 2: am I supposed to feel about that? Because obviously that's
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  Speaker 2: just all offense. You don't want to be giving up
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  Speaker 2: more than one chunk play a game when it's a
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  Speaker 2: dozen of them. That's really alarming and problematic. But also.
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  Speaker 2: And something that I don't think is going to be
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  Speaker 2: the norm, at least I hope is not going to
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  Speaker 2: be the norm, as you're watching it and you're seeing
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  Speaker 2: that on film, are you like, oh, yeah, well, these
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  Speaker 2: guys are not as good at man coverage as Utah
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  Speaker 2: typically is at man coverage, and they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to get away with this anymore?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. So a couple of things. So obviously
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  Speaker 3: you're right. You'd rather give up less explosive plays than not, right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, those are a lot of teams get into
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  Speaker 3: games or get back against explosive plays, right? But some
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  Speaker 3: of that just felt like Kansas, this quarterback, just being extra.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes when you're extra, it's hard. The defense just
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they let their guard down. It's tougher to cover, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: very long into a possession. I don't make much of
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  Speaker 3: it because it hasn't been a problem all season. And again,
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  Speaker 3: 17 of those points came off a turnover, right? I'm
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  Speaker 3: including turnover on downs, right? I think about midfield. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: and then Kansas scored, and then you fumble first, whatever
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  Speaker 3: it was. I mean, Kansas scored 17 first-half points on
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  Speaker 3: essentially three turnovers. So I'm not really worried about it.
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  Speaker 3: In Colorado, their quarterback play is atrocious. They're starting with
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  Speaker 3: Isaac Wilson, they said, who's been bad, like bad, bad,
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  Speaker 3: bad this year. I'm not sure because of the matter
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  Speaker 3: this weekend, but it'll matter. It's Houston. I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to tell you the better teams on your schedule. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: BYU is one of them.
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  Speaker 2: So looking at what Utah is, though, right? They are 5-0.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 2: One of the top-ranked teams in the country. They've won
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  Speaker 2: and covered. They're taking care of business the way that
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  Speaker 2: they're supposed to. They've scored on their opening possession of
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  Speaker 2: every single game. I mean, look, we've spent the last
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  Speaker 2: five weeks nitpicking because that's what we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: when everything's going well. As you prognosticate and you project
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  Speaker 2: it out to Colorado and beyond, do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: this team is going to justify their number 11 rankings?
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  Speaker 3: I think so. Look, it depends. I've not watched them
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  Speaker 3: as closely as you have, obviously. Do you have individual
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  Speaker 3: pass rushers that can win?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm glad we're talking about this because that is...
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  Speaker 2: and it manifested itself against Kansas where the pass rush
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  Speaker 2: was creating pressure and making him move but Ike Marshall
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  Speaker 2: is not going to finish his career at Kansas. He's
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  Speaker 2: too dynamic of an athlete. That guy just extended the
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  Speaker 2: play and then your defensive back in second, number five,
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  Speaker 2: six and seven is eventually going to lose his coverage
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  Speaker 2: and Some of those explosive plays came off that. Their
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  Speaker 2: pass rushers in all of these games have won. They
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  Speaker 2: beat the offensive linemen, or they beat the tight end,
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  Speaker 2: or they beat the chip from the running back. But
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  Speaker 2: then they don't finish the sack. And it drives me
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  Speaker 2: absolutely insane. I could probably cut you like 25 plays,
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  Speaker 2: no exaggeration, that that has been the case. And again,
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  Speaker 2: against Bear Bachmeier and Connor Wegman and Noah Fafita, that
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  Speaker 2: is going to be a lot more problematic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's exactly right. So the question, obviously, as
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned, you're doing a lot of things well, but
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  Speaker 3: then when you play the big dogs, these are some
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  Speaker 3: of the things you have to do great, right? Like,
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  Speaker 3: can you rush the passer on the third down? Can
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  Speaker 3: you keep the quarterback in the pocket? Can you win
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  Speaker 3: first and second down to make sure third down is
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  Speaker 3: very manageable? So the passers thing is a little bit alarming.
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  Speaker 3: You can't sag. Now, pressures are great. And maybe you're just,
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  Speaker 3: the more reps you convert those into, This weekend, Colorado
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  Speaker 3: should score no more than 10 points on you guys.
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  Speaker 3: That's how Colorado's just not good. That's a benchmark for
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  Speaker 3: this weekend, I feel like. But otherwise, I think you've
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  Speaker 3: got to be pretty excited about where the offense is at,
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  Speaker 3: even where it could get to with more reps. I
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  Speaker 3: just find the two-quarterback thing is so fascinating to me, Matt.
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  Speaker 3: It's just so unique. I'm sure it creates a lot
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  Speaker 3: of problems for for teams you play against to prepare.
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  Speaker 3: How do you prepare for it?
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  Speaker 2: How do you prepare for it? I mean, you don't
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  Speaker 2: know who's going to take the snap, much less what
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  Speaker 2: they're going to do when they get the snap.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, you know if, you know, one, if essentially,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Ficklin gets it, he's throwing left, right? Like,
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  Speaker 3: and Dan Pierce throwing right, but you don't know if
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  Speaker 3: they're getting the ball, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 3: you don't know what's going to happen on a given play.
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  Speaker 3: It just, it seems like it's just very difficult to
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  Speaker 3: figure out, and that's obviously the point of all this,
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  Speaker 3: but Again, we'll see how it works against Houston and
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  Speaker 3: BYU and some of the better teams you're going to play.
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  Speaker 3: It'll work. You're going to do Colorado, Northwestern, dominate them
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  Speaker 3: with just game plan, play action, pass and run plays.
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  Speaker 3: You guys should dominate Colorado. Even if Colorado's off a bye,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to me.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, they're going to leave a playbook around so you
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  Speaker 2: get to see what's.
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  Speaker 3: In the playbook. It does not button up. I think, too,
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  Speaker 3: one thing about Utah that's been impressive so far is again,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not watching every game, so you could be wrong
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  Speaker 3: on this, but It does feel like there's not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of first-time coach in-game mistakes. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that has been one of the most
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  Speaker 2: impressive things about it because, again, it's five new starting
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  Speaker 2: offensive linemen with a new offensive line coach. And there's
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of procedural penalties. There's not false starts.
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  Speaker 2: There's not even a bunch of holding. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 2: just not heavily penalized. And that was a group that
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  Speaker 2: we were looking at saying, like, all right, there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be growing pains here. New coordinator on offense, new
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  Speaker 2: coordinator on defense. And in both cases, you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: pretty clean play. And that is something that, to me,
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  Speaker 2: is not overly influenced by the quality of your opponents, right?
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  Speaker 2: Your self-inflicted wounds. It doesn't really matter who's across from you.
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  Speaker 2: And Morgan Scali just runs a nice, tight ship.
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  Speaker 3: The offensive line, as I mentioned, I watched for Joe
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  Speaker 3: Moore Ward consideration. And, you know, they sort of embody...
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  Speaker 3: what I saw from Jordan Gross, the player, right? They're
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  Speaker 3: real technically sound. I don't know if you noticed, they're
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  Speaker 3: pretty scrappy as well. They're a little undersized, right? A
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  Speaker 3: little bit, I think, still. You know, they're not putting
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  Speaker 3: guys in the dirt as much as you would like, probably,
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  Speaker 3: because I think they're a little smaller, right? They're not
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  Speaker 3: as thick, right, as you would, I think, like. But again,
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  Speaker 3: they're all five new starting guys. But a couple of things, like,
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  Speaker 3: their technique is really good. Like, you could tell they're
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  Speaker 3: very well coached. And then they don't have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of mental mistakes. eyes are where they're supposed to be.
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  Speaker 3: They're not missing blocks. They're not falling off blocks. It
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  Speaker 3: looks like a very well-coached group. I'm not surprised given
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  Speaker 3: DeJuan is their coach, but to have five new guys
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  Speaker 3: and not have any of the issues that Oregon's having
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  Speaker 3: right now, Oregon's the worst offensive line in, I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: tell you, Sean. They're playing really bad right now. Not
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  Speaker 3: any of those concerns at Utah is really good. Credit
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  Speaker 3: to the coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: Are you at all surprised that college game day decided
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  Speaker 2: to come to Provo this week when Ohio state and
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  Speaker 2: Indiana are playing also.
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  Speaker 3: No, cause that's a Fox game.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Not, not that game that cares, but that's, that's probably
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  Speaker 3: why that the Provo, the BYU game is on in
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  Speaker 3: ESPN network. So Disney ABC network. So I'm not watching
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  Speaker 3: a BYU. I couldn't tell you much about BYU. Um,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Irish are really good. They're just fricking
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  Speaker 3: rolling along right now. Um, Very curious to see if
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  Speaker 3: a step-up competition for the Irish here will change how
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  Speaker 3: they've been playing.
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  Speaker 2: BYU's good. They're really good. Without two of their best
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  Speaker 2: five players, they still beat Iowa State, who I know
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  Speaker 2: is not particularly great, but held their best players to
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  Speaker 2: well below season averages in every category that mattered. I
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  Speaker 2: think BYU's pretty good. The spread makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's a 10.5-point game right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about right.
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  Speaker 2: Utah fans keep getting mad at me because I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually in Utah's best interest if BYU beats Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame and then Utah beats BYU. But people don't want
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  Speaker 2: to root for BYU, of course. Why would you? It's
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  Speaker 2: not about conference pride either. It's not about, well, do
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  Speaker 2: what's best for the Big 12. It's about beating a top,
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  Speaker 2: potentially beating a top five team instead of beating a
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  Speaker 2: top 11 team. Like if BYU loses to Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they'll get punished heavily for it, but
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  Speaker 2: it would be a bigger win if you smashed your
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  Speaker 2: rival or you beat your rival that thought that they
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  Speaker 2: were headed to the college football playoff after beating a
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  Speaker 2: nationally relevant power.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that. But also, I want Washington to
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: lose every game. It's fair, yeah. I understand that idea,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: what you said. But again, I'm okay if Washington loses
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: as many games as possible. So it is interesting that
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest, like Oregon State might be the best team.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think they would beat Oregon in a game.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I know Oregon State fans have this like, this fantasy world,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: they're going to be Oregon or Washington. But, like, Oregon
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: State's played some really good football, man.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where's that Jesse Legree kid going to be next year?
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Texas.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: He's so good.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Isn't it terrible that we have to talk about it
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: like this?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty terrible.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Like, Oregon State can't enjoy their quarterback and wide receiver
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: for more than a year because they'll be offered $ 3
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: million to go play Texas. I mean, heck, Oregon could
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: probably use him. I mean, I don't know if they're
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: going to do that. But, like, this kid... I think
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I wrote this week, 38 catches for 900 yards at
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Oregon State through six games and 12 touchdowns.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: It's a really good season for most people.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: And it's 5-11? Yeah. Now, again, it's Colorado State, San
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Diego State. They get Boise in two weeks. We'll see
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: what that looks like. It'll get a better team, but
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: your job is, if you're good, you should beat bad teams, right?
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: And play well against bad teams. And that's what they're doing.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: They're playing really well against these teams. We'll get a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: new sense of that. And now the question for Beaver fans, again,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: this really stinks, is like, is their coach there next year?
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Does Washington call him? He just came from Washington. Or
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: came from Bama. Is he getting calls to go somewhere else?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Jake Dickard, who we covered in the Pac-12, is he
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: getting calls to go leave Wake after this? Wake's having
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: a great season.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, this is something that BYU fans
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: get mad at me for because you had that controversy
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: in the offseason. Kalani Satake and the athletic director didn't
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: get along. Penn State almost got him to come to
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Happy Valley. And now, you know, there's teams on the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: West Coast where he's got more intuitive connections that are
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: going to be looking for head coaches and potentially even
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: bigger jobs still to open. So, yeah, it's just part
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: of college football now that there's this spirit of predatory
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: competition anytime– You don't have what you want at a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: big school with a lot of money. You can just
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: go steal it from somebody else.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I know. It stinks.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Unless you're Florida State, apparently, because they're like a half
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: a billion dollars in debt and can't pay the buyout.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing about that, it's like bad debt, too.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: It's facility debt. You're not making the money on the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: facilities to pay off the debt. They can't take a
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: loan out against. They have no more leverage to take
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: out more loans. Because they basically are against the property
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: they're never going to sell. They don't make enough money
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: off the property, right? I mean, the bank gets the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: money back when they sell the property eventually, right?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: That's, I guess, technically how it'll work. And you're not
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: making enough money off the property so that the bank
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: is like, nah, you're not getting a loan anymore. It's crazy.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: That's a lot. To be in debt that much money
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: is a lot of money, dude.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Seems unfathomable, if we're being honest.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But this is not to turn into a financial show,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: but the thing about debt, though, too, is that, like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: If the bank's never going to call them on their debt,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: who cares?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Well, you care if it means that you're… You.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Can't find a valve. I'm talking about just like conventionally. Oh,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: my God, that's a lot of debt. It is, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: if the bank doesn't call you on it, then who cares?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because ….
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the scenario in which you do care.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure … every university and every major
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: institution can just bury a lot of things, like bury
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: debt and not worry about anyone ever coming to collect.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're in the United States. It's our entire country, right? However,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: when it means, oh wait, we can't make a move
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to improve our football team.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: That's a problem, yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: That's a big problem.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I agree. No, that I agree with.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Are we ready to crown the San Francisco 49ers as
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the eventual Super Bowl champs?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you keep doing all those injuries.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense. I thought Cooper Cup was easily
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: out of bounds. I don't get the fury over that call.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Neither do I.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I thought he was very clearly like the ball was
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: out of bounds before he got the first down. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: don't think it was that controversial. People are very angry
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: when you say this. I'm sure you thought the same thing.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're a Niners fan, but like Yeah, I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: not going to be objective, probably. I don't think he
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: made it to the first down before the ball crossed
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the plane of the out-of-bounds.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Is Josh Allen getting his first overtime win meaningful in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: any way besides it being a stat?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: So he's the same as DeMarcus Russell now. Good for him. No,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the thing with Josh is it just depends on what
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: he does in the playoffs. No one cares what he
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: does now.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Are you going to win the playoffs? That's the question
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: for them. If he's not going to win the playoffs,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: none of this matters. That's really what it comes down
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: to for Josh. We know he's good in the regular season.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Are you good in the playoffs? Yes or no?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Who has impressed you most in the NFL so far,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: besides San Francisco?
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville has played really good football so far this year.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: We'll see, obviously, what that looks like. I think they've
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: got Houston this week. Jacksonville, I guess the teams I
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: didn't expect to be good, Jacksonville was certainly one of them.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: The Giants have played, you know, the 3-1-1. They played
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: better than I thought, even with Jameis. I think they've
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: been better than I thought they would be this year.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of teams I thought that would be bad, though,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: were really bad. And I was right about Bo Nix, too.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So Sean Payton, I'm sure he's on Twitter, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: going to respond to me and say, you know what, Schwartz,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: You were right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I apologize. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'll take it back. But
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to happen, unfortunately.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: How is it handled in the NFL when you procedurally
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: fail to get a potential game winner off in a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: field goal situation?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: For the commanders?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're freaking furious at your coaching staff and your
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: quarterback for that. But you're a professional, and so you
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: have to continue doing your job. This week, you can't
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: just go in the tank over this. But I had
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: a situation like this with the Giants where we had a,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a thing where someone told us to do something that
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: was just like the wrong thing to do. And we
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: lost the game and I threw my helmet in the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: locker room and just like, just furious, man. But you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: your job, you come back next week, you play football, man.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Like that's your job. So, but this is a problem
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: with this is that Dan Quinn's, sorry, another nail in
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the coffin for Dan Quinn, like just not a good
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: coach with Washington and he's probably gonna lose his job.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: And also this is a trickle down effect for Campbell.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I also, you know, Jaden, buddy, Do you want to
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: know the situation?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. When your quarterback is supposed to be like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: an extension of the coaching staff, how much blame goes
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to him?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: A lot. So he claims the coaches didn't tell him
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: he needed to get down, you know, throw the ball
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: out of bounds in his headset, which is, I would
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: just say, I wouldn't, you know, other quarterbacks wouldn't throw
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: their coaches under the bus like that, first of all, right? So, like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: You know, the Holmes would never do that. Josh Allen
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: would never do that. They wouldn't do that. They just wouldn't.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: That's beside the point, though. Like, you have to know
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: what the situation is. You had no timeouts, which you knew,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and you had 20 seconds left, and, like, you have
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to know, just throw the ball out of bounds, throw
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: the ball somewhere, the clock's got to stop. And the
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: clock just didn't stop, and it was something that I
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: thought was just really something that they couldn't have done.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Do the Schwartz kids already have their Halloween costumes picked out?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Let me just walk to my office upset with Alex.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: What's your Halloween costume? Doesn't know yet.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Figure it out.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: What's the problem with your brother?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Okay. Do you hear what she said?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I ate those two shoes. Tell him to give you
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: one more.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I ate one of those sushis. I was hungry. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: bought two things of sushi.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: You've caused a problem between your children because of your
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: sushi gluttony.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, and so they're now going to... Everything's got to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: be 50-50. You can't do that with your house. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: don't know how you're going to do that in your house.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Just slice everything into thirds?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Just thirds. We have 18 pieces. You just get six.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: It's good. Go to thirds.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to have to have a fourth kid
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: so I can make it quarters and much easier.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, a fourth kid requires a couple things. So
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: we're stuck at two. Do you want to explain it?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not on this network. I think other places maybe.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Family show.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, that's why we're, we're at two. We're never, we can't,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: just can't go to three. So, um, but you know, I,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Meredith looked into the third kid like two years after
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Emmy and just didn't tell me. And the doctor was like,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you can't do this. So she did. She, she's like, looked,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: she went to the back of the clinic, decided not
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: to involve you. Yeah. Emmy was, uh, Emmy was IVF.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And so she went to the doctor and the doctor
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you had kidney failure last time. She goes,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I had what? And he's like, yeah, we can't have
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: any more kids. So we went ahead a third. I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: glad we did. I'm fine with two. you know, one
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: of each.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Well, good luck with the baseball and the softball. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: thanks for tonight.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Thunderbats, six and one, six and one bats.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Go Thunderbats. Thanks for joining me, bud.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Take care, buddy. Have a good week.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: That's Jeff Schwartz, college football, NFL gambling insider.