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Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, Ryan Poles end of season presser reactions · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

0:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Exit interviews, exit interviews.
0:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to talk about one.
0:05
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel now or days away from a loss, a loss to the bears, a loss to the end of the season and the offseason program, even unless not started, but the bears had their exit interviews.
0:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And next is press conferences, particularly the Ryan Polls, the Bears and Rural Manager and Bears Head Coach Ben Johnson.
0:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to dive into that in what Caleb Williams had to say some of our thoughts, some of the reporting, got some thoughts on some of the stuff we get from our guys at the Tribune, Brad Beach, Sean Hammond, and Phil Thompson just to be
0:37
[SPEAKER_00]: going over some of that stuff to add to this conversation.
0:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also talking about, you know, coaching, Alex said to us, Eric Benjamin was probably going to end up at Kansas City, which I was cool with.
0:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't think that Matt Nagin should begin to have a job at Tennessee, which guess what he did.
0:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's clearly OCA Kansas City.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Common Sense prevailed as what we were, we were diving into on the last show after the Bears unfortunate loss.
1:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But it'll be interesting to see, I know that Mad Maggie may be going out for the OC job with the Eagles, which also decclin with the Bears is an interview for also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
1:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think out Harris is gone, but we'll talk about that later in the show.
1:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, how are you doing, my guy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing wonderful.
1:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a wonderful Wednesday when we, oh no, it's a wonderful Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm lost in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lost a whole day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lost a whole day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So wonderful Thursday.
1:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Good to be back here with you now that we've had a few days to simmer and reflect on the loss to the Rams and what the bear's future looks like.
1:47
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, one thing I want to dive into when we don't have to spend a lot of time with this, we kind of talked about it on the last episode and that was the DJ more situation right I want to get Caleb out the way before we jump into what Ben Johnson and Ryan polls had to say about what's going to take place how they felt about this season, but also what's going to take place during the off season and what they look for or expect perhaps next season bears have bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The pair's quarterback, I'm sorry, William suggested when just talking about that past DJ more than everyone was up and up and up and up, we were about not saying it was wrong, but sometimes we can get over high with our emotions that he suggested on my day that we saw an open space short of where Morris Wright was going, what's taken him, more would have had to adjust his angle slightly to find the space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a miscommunication trying to flatten them off of the safety since the other safety was down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like we had enough space over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to flatten them off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: even more soul whims is eager to build the foundation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So point being
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them was, well, actually DJ was going kind of where he was supposed to go to a degree to a degree, right?
2:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're still the effort that didn't necessarily seem like it was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to cape for him totally, but still there were some free styling elements that can't was doing what happens when you're talking about it football.
3:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that with option routes and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just all the times that when we saw last year when it was like this young rookie quarterback is trying to tell these veterans what to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: his kind of pet peeves with look I like it when it goes here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do this in this type of situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's kind of one of the things that Caleb was alluded to.
3:24
[SPEAKER_00]: What about you, Alex?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think Caleb explained it kind of perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is exactly kind of what we were talking about during the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did not have the piece of information, but we were talking
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[SPEAKER_01]: As it was drawn on the lines, but a lot of route running happens outside the lines, right, a lot of that improvisation, a lot of the defensive rules, what a defense does will change your rules will change what you do and as Caleb said, just to reiterate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on the front side of the play, the safety was down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, he was trying to get him to not run the route more vertically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to get him to cross the safety space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was all this green grass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He threw it to a space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's something we've been asking Chicago Bears quarterbacks to do for a very, very, very long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Throw to a space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't throw to an open guy throw to an open space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's trying to throw to an open space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He hoped
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[SPEAKER_01]: that D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore would see it the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore did not see it the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where it comes down to the miscommunication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where, you know, when we talk about chemistry, when we talk about rapport, when I say, you know, the communication, the knowledge between a quarterback and a wide receiver that comes with years, you know, I've said it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears and rummadoons at Caleb Williams and Roman dunes they want to get to a place where they see a defense the same way they look at each other on the line of scrimmage and with eye contact they both confirm yeah we're on the same page.
5:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I know the words you said in the huddle and I know the line that I'm supposed to run, but I'm going to go outside those lines we're going to get a huge play here, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're able to so many great quarterbacks and somebody great wide receivers are able to again, look at each other, make eye contact and know, yeah, we're exactly on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bears simply aren't there yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Year one of Ben Johnson and that's just an example of
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[SPEAKER_01]: of D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More and kill Williams not being on the same page a miscommunication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to throw it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you're seeing what I'm seeing D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: more didn't see what he saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we can relocate it a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: more effort of it all still probably not there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't probably need to run it out more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, just kind of disappointing, I'm going to take a little digression that was disappointing that DJ Moore didn't speak to the media at all before heading into the offseason.
6:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of uncharacteristic of him all say, and I know he's taking a ton of heat, I'm with you, but I think that's I'm with you, but I think that's going to ton of heat, but that's unlike him one I'll say this either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: post game, do it, but or exit or exit interview do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to choose one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to be the vet that you are and also all of the city right here, I was defending you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: do, one of the toughest wide receivers in the league, there's too many times where he could just go out the game and stay out the game and be injured the next game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been to the point when he's here, you expect him to play it to be odd that he doesn't play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's even better, and I know some people this could be heresy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's even better than what David Montgomery was, where you knew David Montgomery, David Montgomery may come back, but then he'll be out some games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a knock on David Montgomery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But DJ, because I think that Montgomery plays really hard, knows football, but DJ gets her and they run it back so I would see her as different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But DJ gets injured or hurt, not injured, because if he was injured he couldn't play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's out there all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that thing, but if we're going to use your blue collar, whatever, then you have to use that also when you criticize them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where yeah, I wish he would have ran harder, but we're not going to then because I think why receivers is automatically the deva connotation right to where when you're talking about a diva how many times has he said give me the damn ball when clearly he would have been all right if the last two years if he said give me the damn ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't just keep all of that on them, not saying he's a perfect player, but he's far from being someone that is just expendable on why you're still trying to build it off this program.
7:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So to be completely transparent, I was not in that locker room this season, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I left CHSN, I wasn't able to get back into that locker room.
8:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I said, when I was laid off from CHSN, I wasn't able to get back to that locker room anymore.
8:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are certain players who are always available, who are always there to talk, to face the music, if you will, to they're available to the media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guys like combined, always available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Colcomet, always available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bracks and Jones, always available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Etc.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can go on and on and on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of guys who are
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[SPEAKER_01]: available and take that responsibility to the media seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are guys who are in between who, you know, meet their, meet their quota, you're supposed to be able to speak to the media once per week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of those guys, if you need them, you'll get them on a day.
8:45
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need them, you'll get them on a day, which is completely fair.
8:48
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have to lift waves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have to do massages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to do treatments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot that they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's reasonable if, hey, I'm sorry, I can't speak today, but I'll get to you tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets you in two days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Reasonable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other guys who it's, man, it's like hurting a cat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they are never available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are never available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore is not that guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore is not a guy who was never available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you need a D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore, you could get him, which is why, again, to me, it was surprising where what makes it more unfortunate, what makes it more unfortunate to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this could have been done?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This could have been done and dusted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have spoken about it at your exit interviews and then when March rolls around, April rolls around, whatever, you know, I guess not March anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, when OTAs roll around, when those first mini-cams roll around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, April 20th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're already on to this year, but now it's going to be the first time people talk to DJ more since then so I bet somebody's going to ask him about it, I bet somebody's going to ask about it and you and it's it's dredged up again my point is it's dredged up again so so that's the one side the other part we got a little off topic I'm sorry I let a big no big digression I let a big digression there yeah um the other is do we relocate should Caleb Williams was throwing that ball was it the right read.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there a big play available if he and DJ more on the same page?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but should you throw that ball?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not sure you and DJ more are totally on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Knowing, hey, we just got to get a first down or two and then we're kicking to win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that an acceptable risk and.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams, I think, is always going to challenge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's always going to challenge for big plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's one of his strengths is that he's not afraid to rip it to make tough throws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that is a big reason why the Bears are explosive is because he makes tough throws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in that moment, do you want to re-litigate that and say, maybe, maybe if you're not so sure that DJ Moore is going to do what you want to do, maybe just take the check down fair.
11:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a fair criticism as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can say the same thing about Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man, what are you doing calling this play?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe call something a little bit more conservative and I know that then people are like, oh, you can't belly up and you can't do this that and rather than think when you have the opportunity to go on a football game, but when you only need,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know 10, 15 more yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They run the ticket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can kick 60.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, but then it's like, why don't I, I'm with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just joking.
11:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just joking.
11:33
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not.
11:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back to the DJ media thing and I think you're right.
11:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the fact that you're giving the reporter side of it because that's one of the things that benefits us with having this show flip side with the media side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember how everyone was saying that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb should address the book and everything talking about him not one to be here and he shouldn't wait till we get to camp to address it or whatever.
12:02
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know like and like yeah and maybe DJ and they will still ask him maybe he'll do something where he addresses it in the all season before he gets there he does an interview that he addresses it.
12:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But my thinking is and again he gets paid a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's entering where he's going to get paid even a lot more money because now I believe now that extension is about to kick in or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you still should do your responsibilities, but I think hearing so much, I think we're not not you and I taken in the factor all of the body language stuff that popped up last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about him that trickled into the media, how that still was used this year against them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were times where this discussion, and I'm not saying it's rightfully so at times of that interception over the back where he should have contested it a lot more in the Detroit game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were times where it's on him why these questions are asked.
13:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But now, say this, we don't know how hurt he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, some of this is, I don't think he thinks he's the goddess getting the ball, but that's not how leaders supposed to perform anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when I say that, and I say this all the time, you can say that, but man, sometimes you're gased.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not out there running 50 yards and then coming back to the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying like that's not me.
13:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm blocking and where some guys running up my ankles or whatever while I'm trying to block on a run plate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's easy for me to sit on my unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My took this right now and talk about effort play after play after play after play after play after play after play after play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some reality has to set in on what a human body can do particularly at the end of the season as we always say everyone's banged up and adding to that, emphasizing this guy's always banged up and playing through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it if we've swed on, he's a warrior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get into what perhaps they should do with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably this episode, but we're gonna talk about it in all season on and off the North.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I mean, one, I don't think they should get rid of them, but of course, that cat money and the bear's being a little over the cat, of course, they could sit there and steal, redo his deal, restructure his deal, but we'll talk about that later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not where we're getting to right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything of the Caleb said, Monday, that interested you that we haven't talked about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, and I'm gonna leave some of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna leave some of this for my one more thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mhm.
14:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think his response to this how the city of Chicago has gotten excited and how the city of Chicago has opened their arms how the city of Chicago started painting their nails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's huge for him because now I mean, I've never doubted it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure, you're not paying your nests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't pay my nails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do clip them myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was younger, I would add a nail straithener.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be glossy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to say back in the day once the time, I didn't have a little gloss on the butt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I take biotin, so my nails are pretty strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so I've always been a person
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are folks who are painting their nails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't, I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the question, what's your skin care regimen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We might have to ask now, what's your health care management?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I knew all the over sensitive dudes about nail, get dude with him painting his nails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, that's why you and your securities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dude, that dude can come up with a pink hair and I'll be like, how many tests does you go give me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: First off, let's start with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many tests does you come get?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many pictures do you get?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the state of Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure if this was fake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing on the internet is real anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I saw something on Instagram that was purportedly from the state of Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that was like, yeah, my quarterback paints his nails, sometimes where his lip gloss and has a pink phone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But guess what, we've been here before, and then it was just like a smash cut of all these Guinness Rodman highlights, of the died hair, him and the, you know, marrying the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pain and the whole thing, they're like, yeah, guess what, we love winners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't care what you look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You win and you laid all in the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on over, we love you and I I loved that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that like hey, by the way, guys, you know, it wasn't that long ago, everybody loved Dennis Rodman love this Rodman exactly that this that at least in that talking point has seemingly vanished has seen me gone away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's wonderful, but to bring you back to Caleb Williams his appreciation of that came through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could tell it means the world to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where again, going back and talking about more things when he was first draft of your, oh, he can't come to Chicago because he wants to be great in Chicago is the QB killer city, all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he also hits it to like, no, I wanted to come here because I know that this city is a wonderful sports time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm paraphrasing him a little bit here, but that understanding his appreciation of we lost a game and the fans are on their feet roaring applauding even though we just lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, given us our swansong standing out, you could tell it means the world to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's the type of guy where with that response, he's going to read double his efforts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to, you know, bring it even harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay, this year I learned how to be a pro, this year I was introduced to the concepts, this year I made all of these growth steps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now now what's next so that we're winning a Super Bowl for me, for my legacy, but also for this
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to have more on that later, but that really struck me from his press comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this goes back to old under center episodes, where one speaking of, to see really want to come here, you had to call and call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: stuff where he was like he didn't want to come here and not saying that some of that wasn't true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is not what I say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My only thing was I think Caleb is smart enough and I should say this on the show and this applied to Ben Johnson too when Josh told me Ben Johnson was going to Vegas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No way in hell Ben Johnson is coming here and I'm like do it looks like one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He waited for you to lose to leave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did look at the jobs he's turned down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been playing in a division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb is here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the job he would want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Point being
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone knows if Chicago was hot and booming, it's probably the best place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only place better and it's harder to navigate with being New York, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That if you could own, because very few people all are Joe Nameth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying like Patrick you and isn't Joe my name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Phil Sims really isn't shown you know like I mean own like be the best Well never by a meal will never by a drink in that city for the rest of their lives for just just like own it own it You know what I'm saying like you order like they are fired like my guess is they are fired in this time Jordan sweetness you know I'm saying like yeah like that you know what I'm saying so to do that in Chicago and knowing
19:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, if I go to Chicago and we do it right, it's bigger than Chicago's around the nation when you're day and five in Chicago, right?
19:47
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't one of the Walter Peyton Man of the Year award for the entire family.
19:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's there's do there running backs that are younger than us.
19:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They will tell you the Walter Peyton is the greatest running back ever just because of the legacy of Walter Peyton and what they've been told.
20:01
[SPEAKER_00]: of the versatility and the grit and agility of that player, so that just stuff like that is part of the reason that I used to cape that I think he would come here, but strongly why I thought Ben Johnson would come here, so I just wanted to put that out there.
20:16
[SPEAKER_01]: 100% 100% how about where were you taking away from that first are you ready to move on to polls and no, I'm not taking away sticking with that.
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And particularly with Caleb and Ben Johnson.
20:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb talked about how their relationship is going to mentally and that's something that he wanted.
20:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying and we talked about a little bit about Ben Johnson saying that he can great on people initially and perhaps it could be a little bit of friction, but then usually people kind of coming around and.
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just said that he won't tell you what you're saying.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to piggyback and finish it.
20:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He says that Caleb, I want to be here for a while and Ben wants to be here for a while.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And attack that relationship and bond between each other is really important, is where able to help put me in the team in a better position and paraphrasing.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: moving forward for the future.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, some of this is just what did you expect them to say?
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I hate being here, double bars to the city.
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's good because one you have one of the best upper coming coaches and one of the best up and coming quarterbacks and they're here together.
21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: and they're vibing.
21:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's the thing too.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, again, I'm not even trying to wish any hate on this.
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But when the vibes are right, you know what I'm saying?
21:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how many do you remember?
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it was that when the Mitch and the naggy vibes were off, right?
21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, now it's kind of like,
21:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that's not I don't want to see them basically to a degree or whatever.
21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think we're going to get anywhere near that with these two people anytime soon.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And for us being for the bears being a team under center that hasn't been star late and hasn't had an offensive mind guy running the team and we've cried about a wind about if we had a good offensive coordinate he's going to leave.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: to sit there, it's gonna leave us.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Please don't give me a really good one.
22:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I just want to kind of meet the ochre one cause it's really good one's gonna leave, right?
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But right now we don't have to worry about that because we have one of the smarter offensive minds.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And seemingly a really good head coach but we'll have to see what goes on next year and Ben Johnson alluded to that as far as next year and the carryover from this season in the next year.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what he says?
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say?
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that there really isn't any carryover.
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, square one.
22:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He said back to square one.
22:38
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
22:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the best part of somebody like that.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He said there's no building off this as you just said, Alex, we go back to Square One, we're back at the bottom.
22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really all 32 teams.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you feel otherwise, you're probably missing the big picture.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: We're back at it.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to start.
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at 2025 and say, hey, it was a great year.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Great start.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the truth is, it was really hard to accomplish and what we accomplished and wasn't good enough.
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be much harder to put ourselves in that position again next season.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of work coming in.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: When they come back they'll be ready to go identify that we outline what we wanted to show on tape and I thought we came through all right, I mean again I came a little BS on that just a smidge
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: because you know the things that you can do.
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: See, if they're like, so we know for instance that Caleb has the ability not to turn over the ball, even though we seen the turn over the ball a lot the last several weeks, right?
23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But we know for the most part, he's not to turn over the front quarterback, but he's also advantageous, you know?
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So you want that.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Being that Aaron Rodgers was one of his idols.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes people asked the Aaron Rodgers didn't put the ball in play enough because he didn't want to throw an inception.
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got that part with the Gunslinger, but still he's not Brett Farb.
23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still there more.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He's at the end of the park and Aaron Rogers, which he is.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.
24:00
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have that.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the fact that you're the running backs in the offensive line.
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're running system.
24:11
[SPEAKER_00]: You can build off of that.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: The question now will be.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens with Aussie to pillow?
24:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You are right.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that that injury was going to take longer Alex and Ryan Poles went into that as far as that Aussie to pillows of injury will probably go into next season So now there's the left tackle thing.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that, but still getting back to this.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are there is a carryover You know for instance now this may not carry over.
24:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what nation on right can do that doesn't mean he will be able to do it
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: all of what next year.
24:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that Prisker can be healthy.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean he'll be able to do it all of next year.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that Austin Booker can be a wave.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know if he can do it all next year.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But the questions that you don't know right is a really, really nice right tackle.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You did not know that last year, right?
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Now consistency will be one of those things.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Jonah Jackson, can you get back to the player that was in Detroit?
25:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seems like he got back to the player that was in Detroit.
25:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Drew Dalman, how to see Acquist with all that cash and it's pocket wear in him down.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, has part of the time caught up to Joe Thunney.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and at this point, we threw him out at a tackle, and he was able to take on drivers.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so there are things, which you can sit there, the grit, the one thing that Ben Johnson did say, well, I don't know Kyla Gordon because he hasn't been out here playing, but you know what Kyla Gordon did?
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, half a body got out there and ball for you.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And the second game that he came back, he played a lot better than the first game.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are a few things that you can take away.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, I know you want to level everything and deflate the egos, and we'll talk about that next episode.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But that there are things you can take away.
25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You can also shout out to Kevin Fishbain, who kind of pressed him because the question people are trying to get out is like, what continuity?
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you expect what continuity, can you work towards and that's when he gave the whole square one coach speak thing, which again, I actually like hearing that I like hearing that from the head coach that's like
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's next to one, but when you have something to build on, well, this is a crazy thing.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: We used to hear that with losing teams.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to hear that with a winning team as well.
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
26:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I like training camp.
26:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You got a tax training camp.
26:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The exact same way.
26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You do.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You do.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, that was a vicious training camp that he ran.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And he probably should run the exact same training.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but send a message that like, hey, 11 win and one play.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But you do have to adjust for the injuries that came out of camp and make sure that some of that may not have been due to some of the training, you know, yes, you have to check like particularly with the DBs, like think about it, the DBs went out in this camp, you know what I'm saying, like you have to, you have to look.
27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have to check out some of that being okay, either can we keep it that high with some of the rehab things that are we doing like what are we doing you have to check that out because you don't want to start off next year with guys out because you win in the training camp too hard sure sure.
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I hear that loud and clear.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Fishman, though, kind of person who's like, yes, we know next year's square one, but is, is there anything you did this year that you think will carry over as you build a foundation on paraphrasing Kevin Fishman and this also really struck me and I think it's true and I think was.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: The most important thing for Ben Johnson this year because we knew he was a very good offensive coordinator.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We knew he was a very good play caller.
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: We knew he could develop a very good quarterback and like have a great relationship with a quarterback with Jerichoff.
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But we didn't know about the program that he ran.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what he said.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, yeah, I think we developed that identity as you kind of said, like we wanted to put our brand
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: and that brand came through on the tape.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The physicality, the requisite physicality and poise.
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, I think we showed that we're a physical team and we're a poise team.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That offensive line, you talked about, you know, all up and down, the Eagles game was outrageous.
28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Throughout the year,
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: They're moving the line of scrimmage two yards.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They are the guys bringing it to the defensive line.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That's leaving a mark on a team saying, we're going to do what we want against you.
28:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he shouted out some solid blocking on the perimeter.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out Luther burden and Roma doomsday.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Earlier in the year, there were some questions about
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: not necessarily effort, but just like the ability to get it done, I thought Luther burning out way better at clocking as the year went on.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Say with a lot of those winers, you know, the tight ends, right?
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Qualcomm at we knew we could do, but then Colson Lovelin's coming in and Colson Lovelin is blackened and being physical and taken due to how monungai?
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to throw the Andre Swift in there, too.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Fearless in Blitz pickups coming on guys at tiny dude taking on huge linebackers absorbing the hit and letting Caleb Williams still the football so that physicality that I do these the babies willing to tackle
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So that and then the poise, the belief that, okay, we're down 10 or two minutes to go, but we have Caleb Williams and we have Ben Johnson and we have a ton of playmakers on both sides of the ball will find a way to get it done and not crumbling, right?
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: How many bearers teams have we seen with a lead or from behind, completely crumble and not be able to finish?
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: a football game.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: How many times did Maddie Burflu say we need to learn how to finish a football game?
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys know how to finish a football game.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's luck.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: One or two, maybe three times.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not luck.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: They did it damn near 10 times this season.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is building a culture, that is building an identity.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, yes, you know, like training camp, you're going to start from square one.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to you're going to teach the shifts.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to teach the motions from square one next year.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be new players.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Players are going to leave.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Players are going to come in.
30:19
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of those guys can be a square one, but, but that culture, that identity, that physicality, that poise, I don't think that's going to go anywhere and I think that that was hugely hugely important for the bears this year.
30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Being fundamentally sound as schematically sound, he's steady thought that showed up week after week and they could still get better, but I think that adds to what you were saying because there's a lot of times and the fundamentally sound part is showed up with the starters, but it's showed up with the backups.
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: right like and with the scheme like if if a guy didn't kind of know what he was doing he first got in by the next thing he definitely knew what the hell he was doing.
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: There weren't a lot of times where to seem like a guy didn't know anything particularly if he was a veteran and he wasn't just a rookie.
31:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that talks to the coaching staff and that's one of the things that we have to talk about as far as the coaching staff.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know like, um, how deep since we're at 30 minutes right now, you know, um, we still got to come back sometime this weekend and dropping up.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, did you want to go.
31:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So we could just do the coaching staff then come back and talk about perhaps.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do polls in the coaches staff and then on our next episode, we can talk about what they need to do with the DBs and maybe those that won't DJ out of here and stuff like that, you know, we can dive into some of that.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so let's go ahead with Ryan polls who should be kissing the sky that Ben Johnson wanted to come here and rescue him.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Rescue me because he definitely did some of the things I was still saying this that afternoon I post I got to take this quote that that came from him and I got this one out of the sunsams I think this is Sean Hammond and Brad Biggs and proud of the progress that we made Wednesday at the end of the season press conference at Hollis Hall and knowing that we can't be complacent got to keep pushing for
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Johnson, Ben Johnson, both come from organizations toward Kansas City that have stacked success back to back years.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: We know the challenges that comes with having success and trying to get to back the back in the following year.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: My guy, that can't see stuff don't matter like he used to.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You got this Chicago focal, you.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still a Ryan, but I grew for Ryan Post, right?
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But like some of the, and again, I was here with Viche.
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I was learning all the, I'll offer these guys and what you ended up doing did not necessarily read like what was going on in Kansas City.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, particularly when you know they go out and get their offensive line and when they do get offensive line, and my Hayden for show.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to drop a little hate just in there because my man my man was filling himself a little bit too much with that will go ahead I was what did you want to say finally took the North man.
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: He finally took the North He was yeah, he was behind a guy you feel he could feel he could feel so we got the North right there.
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We get it.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I hear you I think he most telling thing and the most
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest question I had about Ryan Paul's in this upcoming offseason is how is he going to attack this offseason his whole and and it kind of goes back to the the KC and his foundation and all this stuff, but his entire career, he'd been building roster right his first year he tore that support in his judge, right.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they got it, now they got a nice beautiful house.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They got the kitchen's nice, they got the beautiful stove.
34:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the kitchen's, I don't know if the kitchen, wait, one big room, no, one big room can't be done because of that deadline.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can, and I'll think bathrooms are adequate enough to use.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So everything maybe nice, that kitchen still needs some work in that kitchen, I think.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were going to build a new day.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they got everything.
34:21
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that deck is not a D-line.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a D-line.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: They got to do the guest bathroom.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the guest bathroom?
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They say that as soon as they go to the guest bathroom.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It's either the, it's either the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
34:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's dog.
34:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know, okay, let's flip this real quick.
34:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's play a game.
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's play a game.
34:49
[SPEAKER_00]: If this was last year's offensive lie, what room would you say that was?
34:53
[SPEAKER_00]: If it would play like the D-line play this year?
34:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's your foundation.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, okay, that's like, like, you're like, perhaps in the foundation, you're going to need to do a lot of work down here.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, man, maybe these walls are, they, they may need to do something.
35:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time for some tuck pointing because all of a sudden, there's some water coming through the walls.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And it keeps like the kitchen, the space is nice, but all everything in there is, oh, all right, we got it, we're like, we got to switch some stuff out.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been the kitchen.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel you.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's new tuck pointing because some water might be coming in and then maybe some new windows too, because it's a little drafty.
35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are major things.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely right.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely drafty because mobile quarterbacks are shooting up the gaps.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right, you get that's a big draft.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go right through.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's still work to be done in the house, but the question is the foundation is nice as we have as we have established.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the kitchen's nice.
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it time for the bears to make a big splash?
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they in a position where they can go get the max cross be?
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They can go spend a lot of money in free agency, which he really hasn't done.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been very disciplined.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you go get the big ticket guy to plug a big hole and now you're cooking with gas?
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the bears do with Robert Quinn, like the bears thought they were doing with Robert Quinn, right?
36:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got Cleel Mc just wait until we add Robert Quinn
36:22
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit.
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't huge money.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the name recognition, but the contract that he received is the point that I'm trying to go.
36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I get what you're sure.
36:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're shooting for name recognition, but I think the Tremaine Edmonds is compounded by the fact that you already had a probal linebacker of seeking a contract.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: that early in the early in the season, he was out playing Rokuan, but due to injuries that ended and that still makes that trade, lie beside it because the draft pick that you didn't do well with the draft pick that you got from Baltimore or either.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, to your point, I mean, definitely, you can go out.
37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he did make something great.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Montezuette, Montezuette is a big contract.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're saying what you're saying, you're saying free ages.
37:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not just talking about, even though this will be trading for a guy.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's in the same vein of it, but it's we're talking after season, not in season trading for the piece, which you kind of do all in the shove the we are.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: the shove like we're trading two firsts for Jalen Ramsey.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: We're trading two firsts sent a player for XYZ.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that that move.
37:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The chips are in nothing.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But teams do it, but teams do it.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we've done it.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's just, I, I, I, now look, if you say you want to give up this year's first and something else, and I'm not saying I can get you Max Crosby, but again, I could be wrong here.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I still want to know what Ben Johnson wants.
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: and his coverboard, and I won't him to be able to have access to the records that draft picks to fill that board up.
38:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But look, now what I'm saying could be wrong because he may be like, you know what?
38:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I got all this caveat, and I'm not going to use.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I will bar to with you for this.
38:22
[SPEAKER_00]: prime rip, which is what you're saying as far as the draft fix.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If that may be what I don't say, that may be what Ben Johnson wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could be wrong and trying to identify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it could just be about me wanting to see what his style is as a coach, SAS personnel guy, and having the picks to be able to do it.
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the question I had, is Ryan Paul is going to, is this now the time where he starts probably was going to go up to Taylor's window, former former host of this podcast, her Howard had the same question and basically said, hey, you're in a new position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does this change your outlook and Ryan Paul's answer?
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought was very telling that, nah, I'm going to, I'm going to stay me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to continue to do the things that have gotten us here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Ryan Paul says,
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you panic and you do things that everyone else wants you to do, it can lead to situations you can't get out of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I read that as, all right, they're not making a move from Max Crosby that ain't happening that ain't happening, but I think it's very cool to tell that either because then you have to pay through the teeth.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to be like, yeah, we're going to go like you don't need to don't be the Baltimore's owner of like a week like slow it slow it down.
39:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You could still get what you want this like even when we were talking about with the bears when Ryan pulls was trading for the number one pick to Caroline and so like you can still get what you want without being like trying to.
39:51
[SPEAKER_00]: get that jazzy on it, you know what I'm saying because you may put yourself in a box, you may put yourself in a box that you can't get out of.
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I recognize that and there is some truth to negotiating through the media and that's that's real.
40:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it's really telling you know the way he phrased it using words like panic, doing things that everybody else wants you to do, situations you can't get out of.
40:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would tell a different story if he instead says, listen, we understand we are in win now mode, but we have to make sure that, you know, every move makes sure we're still healthy in the long term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: If you hear that, he's saying a similar thing, but he's kind of saying a different message, right?
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have very easily said, oh, we understand our windows wide open and we got to take advantage.
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not going to do anything crazy.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he said he's like, listen, listen.
40:50
[SPEAKER_01]: When you panic, you might do things you regret when you do things everybody wants you to do you might do things you might regret and to me that message is just so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So much different and kind of indicates like, okay, yeah, maybe they'll make some more splashing moves maybe they'll make some more mantas sweat deals some.
41:09
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, diodangua was a big contract, tremendous is a big contract, but it might not be the sake one, Barclay deal.
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It may not be the Max Crosby deal, may not be the Trey Hendrix in Miles Garrett deal, et cetera, et cetera.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is the thing too, where
41:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to read between the lines.
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to go back to when he first got here.
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And he talked about keeping his powder dry, but he inferred that he will put that powder in that gun and stuff it in that barrel, right?
41:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did actually do that with revamp and offensive one.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He did do that.
41:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think one of the things too, and this is just my opinion, Kenneth Davis.
41:51
[SPEAKER_00]: you have trehension cannot be franchise tag.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: That was negotiated, I believe last year, to where they can't refer to as tag him.
41:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if the how much they want to with how another tag will be, but I believe he's out.
42:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to, I don't think they, I think they agree to not tag him.
42:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So one, you may not have to give up a draft pick, but to your point, you may have to spend some bread,
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, how much are you really, like, realistically, how much can you?
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they should go into this year saying, with him and Austin Booker, we're set.
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I don't.
42:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could be wrong.
42:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope Austin Booker proves me wrong, right?
42:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Dio didn't show me enough last year.
42:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He showed me enough to be in a rotation.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't show me enough to be a start, right?
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I wouldn't, I don't mind him being in a rotation and being a guy that can kick in the tackle at times.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
42:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't show me enough as a starter.
42:50
[SPEAKER_00]: While we don't know who Austin Booker is, but you can't put next year's season on Austin Booker reaching his zenith because that's the same BS you told us about Jervon Dexter Senior last year.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was we said last year like don't do that, you know, like you can't put all that on that kid because Coming and we talked to his coach at Florida, right where it was like he learned he still got to learn all this stuff because stuff we was teaching us totally backwards from what he has to do on the pros and he still hasn't gotten there You shouldn't put talk about the lack of snaps the book or had a college still lack of snaps because he's been injured in the pros not to say he can't just
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[SPEAKER_00]: pop, but you if you're going to make a step now, you're talking about getting to the Super Bowl.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's stop.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to sugarcoat in this bad boy.
43:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about getting to the Super Bowl.
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know have to have now's Garrett slash Michael Parsons, but you probably do need to have a guy that's on a
43:47
[SPEAKER_00]: premium B level guy and trade hindricks in because of age, that kind of knocks him down.
43:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But as far out the last not this season, the season's prior, he was in the top tier when you're talking about 18 and 18 sex per season basically.
44:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So that could be a guy that you're like DJ, I'm going to need you to
44:06
[SPEAKER_00]: to move some of the ones and some of them too, some of them agrees to make sure that we can bring this guy in and then you can sit there and look now your draft is D.T.
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: left tackle.
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Because now, guess what we got to do.
44:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, with the bear's afternoon rather, you're going to have to probably look at getting in another left tackle since your future left tackle is not going to be ready.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: prior to camp or during the beginning of the season, which Rampoves alluded to refer to the injury to Ozach Prilow and how long it's going to take him to come back from sin injury.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, should we talk about the left tackle of it all?
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole that opened up by it.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, let's save it.
44:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's save it.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's save it.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's save it.
44:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We got it.
44:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We got it.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden we got months to fill.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden we got months to fill.
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't even looked.
45:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that mail cap was my draft popped on my phone like two or three days ago and I've been meeting the go and check it out, but I still have it.
45:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how deep in the draft we would have been by weeks, see the party been done with our tenth mock draft.
45:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Losers who do that now.
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Pew, leave from us.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to be around another.
45:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Our third episode of James Nouveau break it down.
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The Big Ten players to look at in the championship game.
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, and we still have to break it back.
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And anybody that's still in his arms, but we still have to bring back the March madness, draft pick thing that we do, we have to bring that back because I was fun, but to your point, we would have been so deep.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember man, I just remember times talking you guys behind the scene and how just like what the hell are we going to do.
46:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember what's the, what's the, what's the do that was in, um, there was in Watergate, the smoking guy in the trench coat, what was his name?
46:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I forget the nickname of the guy that was in the park.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, deep throat, right?
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it was like a parking garage meeting with deep throat.
46:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, Josh would just happen to be leaving.
46:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And we was going down in the elevator.
46:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And we was like, man.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Justin Fields has another game like that.
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't for weeks, man, we go out to light him.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was sad being a Justin fan, but it was like being honest to what we were trying to do because we weren't, we're never, like we definitely have lighthearted fun, but I think you get that for the most part, we try to be honest.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,
46:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Just yeah, that's it.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We try to keep it a buck, even with players that we like.
46:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember thinking when Josh, we were said that and it was like, man.
46:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then that was also part of the future wasn't about to be right anytime soon.
47:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that realization started to seek in.
47:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, we don't have to rehash that with the lack of talent that was around that player, set player.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was like then, that's not going to work.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it started, literally that wasn't going to work.
47:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was a third member of the team that was like,
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, Caleb Williams is out there at my alma mater.
47:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even one of him to come to Chicago at this point, but had mentioned Caleb is one of his alma mater.
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: That was probably a part of me that was like, actually, please don't come to Chicago.
47:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it was, I think it actually was, you know?
47:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to root for you from afar instead of having to cover you objectively.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But now he's writing your face with his nails.
47:44
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and I get to say nice.
47:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, you got your extra point.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You got your extra point.
47:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do have an extra point.
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: No game ball this week because the bears are out of the playoffs.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So just the extra point.
47:56
[SPEAKER_01]: My extra point is Caleb Williams, going to sporting events with Pete Crow Armstrong on back to back nights at the United Center.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: a black ox game in a bull's game, but I want to focus on the black ox game in particular and why I think it was so important and why I think it was cool.
48:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And it goes back to what we were talking about before about if you bring championships to the city, they will love you forever.
48:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The people of Chicago will love you forever.
48:29
[SPEAKER_01]: He was there for Jonathan Tave's first game back.
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: ever since leaving the black hawks since his extended absence for hockey.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It was his first game back with the Winnipeg jets.
48:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And the ovation that taves got was as it deserves.
48:51
[SPEAKER_01]: As he deserves, I mean, it's an all time ovation due to have to take like eight laps around the
49:01
[SPEAKER_01]: would not stop cheering for him.
49:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time it seemed like it was going to fizzle out a new wave of cheers came up to the point where Dave's is like, this is too much.
49:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Enough already sit down.
49:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to play hockey.
49:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So A1, I think it was cool that
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is a black hogs game, instead of watching the national championship, he chose Chicago sports over the national championship.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And to, I think it is huge for him, a young star to be on the other side of that, to not be on the field, to not be on the ice, to be in the stands.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And to hear and to see, this is one of the greatest blackhawks of all time, top three, top five, whatever, one of the greatest blackhawks of all time, one three titles, hockey is nothing like the NFL, we are a hockey town Chicago is a hockey town, but it is nothing like the NFL and to feel that reception to see that reception, I'm sure somewhere inside of him that resonated being like, if I do this here,
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
50:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I want a piece of that.
50:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I want this.
50:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am I think it was very for to it is I don't know if it was for to it is or not if PCA knew that it was TAves night or whatever if it just worked out this way.
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was probably really good for Caleb Williams to be sitting in that building as Jonathan Tave's got his unbelievable applause got all the flowers in the world again incredibly deservedly so what an amazing player for this for the black hox for this city incredible in every single way.
50:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was kind of a huge moment for him to be there and to feel that from the other side to feel that from the stands.
50:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could, I couldn't understand that totally.
50:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get back to my extra point of something you mentioned and ask the National Championship game.
51:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I had, I have a bet out standing bet that Kirk'signetti by his, by two to three more, two and a half more years.
51:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if his three years will leave the Hoosiers for another job.
51:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's wrong with that?
51:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, thank you.
51:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I finally, I'm washing my hands of it, the flirtation with perhaps Michigan.
51:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like this Kirk Signetti, you have shown by having NFL age players on your team, which you can do through the transfer portal that my head coach ran away from because he didn't want to play these new games.
51:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You, and I got into a debate about
51:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why will he want to go there?
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he'd be chasing his guy and I'm like, no, he'd be showing that he could do what that guy couldn't do.
51:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And they always say, don't beat a guy after going to beat the guy beat a guy after that guy.
51:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Killing the bore.
52:00
[SPEAKER_00]: See it.
52:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Kurksignetti, it's time for you to go to the best job opportunity in college football.
52:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Texas, but they ain't wants
52:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's time to come Alabama because man, those those facial motions and antics, the tie will take you and love you like you've never been love my friend and it's you'd like the colors.
52:22
[SPEAKER_00]: We got similar colors.
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on down to Bammaland and let all this money.
52:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, that who's that who's your money.
52:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I said to a friend of mine That I know that they got in I owe money, but they're gonna be selling crack in a few years to keep them there Coming to somebody that we we move bricks.
52:40
[SPEAKER_00]: They move they move pebbles.
52:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We move weight in Alabama.
52:43
[SPEAKER_00]: All right Kilo is poppy Come on down here.
52:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joking.
52:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just talking about the amount of money that they use for the program.
52:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joking
52:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But uh, yeah, I was my extra point.
52:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Kirk's saying that he don't, you've already done for Indiana what you could do.
52:59
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a national championship in a never go away.
53:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You do not have to prove that you can make that into your kingdom.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You show that you can make it into your kingdom.
53:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's time to build a proper kingdom and a proper place with proper players all around.
53:13
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to be 45.
53:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get the best.
53:17
[SPEAKER_01]: 18 year old and the best grown man you can get all of them there's only one problem there's only one problem with your extra point Kenneth was a I've been right in USC athletics every single day demanding they quadruple his salary and bring them to USC so you want to talk about Alabama that's all nice and sure you can build a little football empire you can build a little football empire about everything how about
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you would.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you football empire.
53:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you media empire.
53:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you branding empire.
53:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you.
53:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you Los Angeles, California baby.
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You run a professional team.
54:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You're running a professional team.
54:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You let me push back on you.
54:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me push back on you.
54:04
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, even with what you USC deal with their little blip.
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
54:35
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so I'm talking about, yeah, but I'm not talking about this is the thing.
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even talking about what Miami did and it's three iterations of head coach, right?
54:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking about what one time USC came back.
54:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking about Mac Brown and Texas.
54:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about, this is a place also when the peak heroes in Los Angeles they didn't have any professional football teams.
54:57
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so you word the professional football team.
54:59
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have new feet.
54:59
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have to start going to Rams and Chargers games.
55:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You think fans are going to Rams and Chargers games?
55:03
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
55:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they're doing it and guess what they're still showing they're still showing up late.
55:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm talking about going somewhere because you're a football coach a college But you want to go somewhere where college football is everything not maybe sometimes the Oscars are coming on a night can't watch it can't think can't think about it
55:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Kurt Saganetti is a discerning man.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he wants a fan that understands ball and understands.
55:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, when we've already lost three games and we're playing Nebraska.
55:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not showing up to watch three loss USC play 12 loss Nebraska.
55:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't care.
55:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want he doesn't want his players.
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: out on an Venice Beach in at the Viper room doing Lord knows what, right?
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, this is my last point.
55:57
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, another reason why Alabama is the place because the SEC needs something real bad.
56:02
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't the SEC is over.
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't a bit, that's even more reason.
56:09
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, the SEC needs they need the SEC needs this they the SEC as a unit should come as a conference should be like I got I got a couple bucks on that right I know list I do we need we need that all right we need something really down quick.
56:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that part of all right, everybody is we go into drift land for college football.
56:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get more that we're going to give you some of our bears discussions on Aussage pillow DJ more the safety free agencies some of the guys they sign off the practice squad.
56:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark thoughts over anything bears or NFL too.
56:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We're also going to be talking NFL here So stay tuned.
56:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see us back in a couple of days least two episodes a week sometimes We'll do a live stream just to get your thoughts on it also still leave your your thoughts in the chat So we can come back and talk to it the Wendy city from fan side it that's Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Kenneth Davis and we'll see you soon