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Sister Wives S4 E11 - Leaving the Nest - Part 1 · My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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Goodbye. You.
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Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
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Do not make me a victim. Sweetie, Just look at the
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mountain. That's what you saw that day.
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Just the knife in the kidneys.
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All these. Years and the sacrifices that I
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made to love you. The season finale of Season 4.
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Finally. Finally.
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Finale. Finally is happening to me.
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We are leaving the nest. Leaving the nest.
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Exciting stuff. Yeah.
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I believe we are going to start with a little bit of an update
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from something that someone shared with us a comment.
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We have a little corrections. Course Yeah, from a Patreon
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listener. Yeah, who shared what with us,
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darling? Kody perhaps is not wearing a
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Prada shirt. Perhaps it is.
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Guess the brand logo looks pretty much exactly the same.
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However, Prada is the one that
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triangle logo on things and I think that guess puts the metal
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logo on like purses and certain items but not on everything
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like Prada does. So it's still up in the air.
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But either way, it's a more expensive shirt than what he is
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used to wearing. Right.
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Used to see him in SO. Yeah, and when I did a Google
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search for men's shirts with guest logos, it was big, like
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graphic tee kind of vibes, like a guest T-shirt.
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Like gaudy in your face, giant
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metal emblem, yes. I don't know.
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Who knows, but I mean I can see why someone would say that.
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It's probably most likely not Prada and it probably is
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something different like guess
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look up the shirt and did not find it.
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So if anyone does, we share because I would be very curious.
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Going back in time to find a tan
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shirt. I don't know, it looked like a
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Banana Republic. I am probably going to go on a
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jungle safari type of shirt, but.
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So back to Leaving the Nest, which is the title of the 11th
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episode of Season 4. 1 Flew out of the Cuckoo's Nest Alana
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Logan is flying out of the cuckoo's nest.
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Definitely a cuckoo nest with the Brown family.
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They start the episode with an
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graduating this year. He had been interested in five
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different schools and had narrowed it down to two, being
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Southern Utah University Suu, which I struggled with following
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a little bit because of the way they were saying Suu.
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It sounded like there was AC in there to me.
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It sounded like there was AC in there because they said it was
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Southern city, Utah at 1st and
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somewhere. I don't know.
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It was very hard to understand
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V's sounded kind of similar during all of this, so it got
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complicated. There's that Utah accent, much
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like our Minnesota. Accent.
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And so he's looking at Southern Utah University, Suu and UNLV,
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which I believe is University of
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We're at Janelle's house and the
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Logan graduating and they just want him around still because
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they need that big bro energy.
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They need that Big Brother energy around them.
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Yeah, they totally do. What?
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Are we going to do without one
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Oh, no, the pressure they're putting on this kid because they
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need this around, like this good
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influence around the little kids, it's just not even fair.
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Yeah, it's just so unfair. There's other Big Brothers now
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in the picture that have never
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energy or step up. And so I don't think that
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they'll be able to take on or take over the same role that
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Logan has done. But to be putting that on him
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and he's looking for his future and all excited about this is
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just yucky to me. Yeah, luckily it doesn't seem
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too intense in the sense that we
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throughout the episode that they
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letting him make his own decisions and blah, blah blah.
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So at least the narrative for the whole episode isn't them
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being like don't leave because
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Well, they're not coming out and
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talks about it and he says that his family is a distraction.
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We'll get into Logan's view on
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basically escape. So it's like, OK, they might not
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be coming across and saying it
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he's feeling some sort of pressure for some sort of
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reason. Kody is worried that the other
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big kids, the older kids are going to convince him to go to
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Utah because they're about to go
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he is worried they're going to
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Yeah, Logan and some of his sisters are going to tour
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Southern Utah University, and it's just such a great
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opportunity to take a road trip.
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Road trip, road trip. Janelle and Kody are telling
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Logan that they're looking to get a big house, a big home, a
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Oh, there might be 6 bedrooms. There might be an office.
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There might be place for you. Logan.
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Meanwhile, you're right, he's trying to plan his escape from
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talking a little bit here in the first few minutes.
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And he seems so dejected, like I wrote down yeah, that he just
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seems very like he's kind of calculating what to say cuz he
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But I just get this energy from him that he's like super nervous
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instilled the religion in him enough and that he will cut ties
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we've heard this from Janelle. And, you know, it's interesting
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to come from her because she doesn't seem to be very, like,
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know, he's a blink kid. So, you know, in Utah, we were,
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like, ostracized for being polygamous.
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So if he goes to a school that is heavy Mormon, he might be an
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outsider there as well. I don't really know how to gauge
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And I do know what it's like to feel like an outsider, but I
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don't know how real that is on, like, a university campus.
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Like I don't know what that means.
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Not sure I can see in grade school and high school feeling
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plague kids at this college though, so there might be a
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separate community for someone who is like coming from a family
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Well, also when you go to college, I'm just imagining
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like, it's not like when I went to college, I was like, here's
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whatever. It's like you just you, you're
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into the world. And that's what Logan says.
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As soon as I'm 18, it's my life. And I was like, yes, right.
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Amen. Power to the people, power to
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Logan. They show the kids driving to
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Suu. Logan has a little bit here
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where he talks about how he is up in the air about being
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plagued himself and he says that people just assume that since
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he's from a plague family and he's the oldest of the kids that
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instilled in him completely. Then they cut to Kody again
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saying that he has anxiety about his religious teachings.
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So Kody is saying that he agrees with Janelle about having a
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little anxiety about this. And then Logan in a separate
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clip is talking about how he's up in the air about being a
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plague. So we are getting a wishy washy,
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aspect. On this road trip to go visit
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Southern Utah University. Joining Logan on this adventure,
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So it's fun to see Aspen actually participating because
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Aspen was nowhere to be seen. None of Christine's kids went.
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It was kind of fun. I always like seeing Aspen and
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Well, and as we come to find out, she was basically being a
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know. She's having a step up.
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Yeah, she was the built in babysitter, just like Logan.
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Just like all the older kids, apparently.
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Yeah, they get to Suu and Sydney Perky Sydney is going to take
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them on a tour. Oh, Sydney Logan mentions that
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It's very apparent that she likes the school and has a
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conviction for it based on the tour and her attitude.
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Got this language they use it was.
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Logan starts in with the My family is a distraction
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sometimes my family is a distraction sometimes.
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He literally said that he is saying that if he stays around
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much. This just put a bad taste in my
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mouth. And you can tell he's trying to
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temper what he is saying. He's trying to be respectful and
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I don't have a normal childhood. I've grown up too fast.
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But that is, it's like, read between the lines, like what's
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Cut to a moment where they're asking some of the siblings
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about their thoughts about Southern Utah University, and
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Leon says I think it's nice. And Aspen says it's boring.
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It's a little Hick town. A little Hick town.
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Which I love. It's like, Oh my gosh, Aspen, so
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thing or two about Hick towns. And yeah, you know, if you have
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an opportunity to go to school not in Hick town, I would
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suggest taking it. But I also went to school in
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Hick town, so you know, it's OK. Logan talks about the benefits
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It is God, it is far away from Vegas, so he's not mad about
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that. Far away that he wouldn't be
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able to, like, drive back there at a moment's notice and be
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expected to do things, yeah. Make the kids breakfast before
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And Oh my gosh, we are having a character return, a character
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return for the season finale. The revival of Mona.
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Mona is back with us. So we have returned to Vegas.
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The camera crew, the producers that brought us back to the Sin
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City. The adults are going to meet
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with Mona and look at a model home in the sub development
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where they're interested in these properties, where they've
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told their kids they're getting these properties.
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They haven't done that yet, but there's the sub development.
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They're meeting Mona, going to look at a model home now.
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This was an interesting scene because this is the first time
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Grandiose.
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Yeah, very grandiose. Very grand for for this
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polygamist family. You know, I do look back on the
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Lehigh home fondly with kinder
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Then, then I would have in the
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But yeah, it's kind of a shithole.
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So these homes are literally not, they're like, you know, I
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mean new builds, they are cookie
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So when they go in, it's very interesting because there's a
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lot of light. It's like well lit big spaces.
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The foyer's like 2. There's like a two floor room in
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the family room and like a staircase and all these things.
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Now mind you, it is you can tell
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grade so everything looks cookie
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Bright, very open compared to the Lehigh home which was very
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closed off, low ceilings, darker, like just naturally
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darker. Not as much natural light coming
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in. So I had to laugh.
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Christine says that she can hear
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like. And that is a very important
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point because that comes up again later in the show, years
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down the road. She hears angels singing again.
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She hears them again. And I don't really want to say
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too much out loud. It's like when they buy property
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in the future, she's like, Oh my
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And I got there and the angels
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It's like this is. Something she says.
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It's she's, she's brainwashed.
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excited. I have enthusiasm too.
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The angels are singing. Like, OK, there's not really
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angels singing. You're just, I don't know,
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there's ways to show enthusiasm without saying the angels are
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singing like my God. It makes me think of like a
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Christmas ornament with a little
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wings and the trumpet and then
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It's like me on Christmas morning.
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Yeah, oh boy. This house is so big that
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they're looking at and when they're going around there's
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some voice overs blah blah blah.
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Meri is getting into a bathtub to check it for the size, which
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I love because that's me. I'm getting in the tub Like I
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want to know is this standard tub?
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Which tub option is this? Is there a bigger one would be
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It look perfectly adequate. A nice little garden soaker tub.
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you know, I don't know, someone says something, someone else
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has something. Nobody cares.
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And then Kody's like, has a voice over or a couch moment
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where he says, yeah, Meri. She's always had expensive
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taste. Which is a little foreshadowing
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for what we get to experience with Meri in the near future.
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She is just sitting in that tub going I could totally live in
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this house. Yeah, you could, girl.
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Like I could live in that house.
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Yeah. Janelle Oh my gosh, Janelle,
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this one's too much. This house is.
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Too much my budget, can't afford this house.
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And Janelle, I mean, you know, you got to admire her, her
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desire to want to stick to a budget, to not want to spend
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money she doesn't have. Those are admirable qualities.
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into wanting to do this. So it's like, right, Like, can
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We're going to get into this. They don't know if they can make
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all looking around, bright eyed, bushy tailed, oh,
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everything so great. And then there's no being like,
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I don't know that my budget can afford this.
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And it's like, yeah, I mean, true.
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Debbie Doubter, I see where she's coming from.
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And somebody has to be practical in the family.
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Somebody has to bring it back down to earth and shut those
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angels up. Shut those angels up, you know,
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Angels, a punch in the throat and say quit your singing, you
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mouths and said shut up. We gotta get real here.
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We gotta get real angels. Angels out of here we got.
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No place for angels. I got a budget.
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Yeah, she isn't wrong, though that it is a little.
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It's it's very nice compared to what they had.
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And then you get Kody going on this little rant about how if
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you don't believe it, if you don't see yourself and envision
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yourself there, it'll never happen.
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And he says that he's trying to move their psychology to where
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What a dreamer. He wants, he wants the angels to
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keep singing, keep singing to sweet Christine.
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Lol Janelle. Yeah lol leaving entice her with
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Someone start playing the harp. That's all Janelle nudes.
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Janelle just needs to be touched by an Angel, Mona.
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Mona is here to remind us of how they need to move quickly.
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We need to move quickly because if only one lot sells of the
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four that are right next to each other, then they won't be able
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But we do need the reminder as a viewer that they're trying to
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buy 4 lots right next to each other and even if just one gets
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swooped up, their dreams are shattered.
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Those angels will be crying instead of singing.
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Who weeping? Who weeping?
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Angels weeping. Weeping I love how you at is
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there an ancient weeping no. Weeping.
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Weeping. It's like Will Wheaton.
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Yeah, Wil. Wheaton weeping.
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It's kind of like how they forget some letters in Destiny.
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In Destiny, yes, they're that
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beautiful Utah accent. And now we're going to
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transition to a new scene where we're all gathering at Robyns
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House. All of the parents, all of the
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adults are gathering at Robyns
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They're going to go see prototypes of their jewelry for
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my sister wifes closet. Oh, now I have to admit, Robyn
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was talking here and I kind of
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So eventually we find out that
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jeweler. I thought the jeweler was coming
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to them. Like in the first time we get
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introduced to Baldy, Psycho freak, loser.
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But Brandon, it turns out, is his name.
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Brandon. But no, they're going to go to
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his store. Yep.
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They're going to go and check the prototypes out, and we find
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out from Christine that she is
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will look, and she's worried that she's going to have to lie
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and say that things look good when she doesn't think they
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actually do look good. While Christine is giving us
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this update into her deep, deep psyche, they're showing us a
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sketch from Robyn on the graph
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AW, which if no one told you this, you would never get from
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the sketch on the graph. Paper never you would never the.
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Squiggly The squiggly lines on
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Well when you look at the W put together it looks like 2
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exaggerated use with like loops on the ends put together.
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So it looks like 2 U shapes connected with like swoops,
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loops downward off the edges of the U's.
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So it's hard to imagine what it would be, how it will be 2 s s,
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but it's almost like 2 U's on their sides that end up kind of
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loosely looking like s s. Yeah, she's playing Liberty with
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her letters once again. You know, someone probably had
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to say Robyn. This is what an S looks.
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Like this is how you. Robyn, this is how you spell
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Sister Wife because that bitch
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Christine's just, I don't know
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this. Well, rightfully so.
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It shows me that at least one person thought those sketches
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looked like bullshit and was kind of willing to say it.
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And Janelle said that she thought one of some of them were
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trite. Yeah.
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So like, you know. You're right, she said that.
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And then we've got Christine putting in a little sliver of
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doubt here. So yeah, they kind of were on
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the fence about this. Meri's being, I believe,
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strategically quiet because she's like, of course I need to
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support this. And so it's just what we're
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doing now. Yeah.
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And that's that I. Mean I'm we're matching jeans
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with her so. I'm still trying to be friends
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with Robyn. Like, oh, girl, you should not.
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You should not. Yeah.
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So they get there to see Brandon
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prototypes that we get to see is
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bands that is this W but when you take the bands apart it's
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2S S and then when they come together it's AW sister wives,
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sister wives. Yeah.
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And Robyn, Robyn, Robyn. Robyn.
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Oh, she's talented. She's touched.
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So I know you wrote down this quote, honey.
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She's gifted, she says. Now I don't know if everybody
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wants a sister wife's ring. Really.
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Really. What I love is this is the kind
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of question you posed to yourself well before you have
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someone make a prototype for you.
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Like that's the entire fundamental flaw with their
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business is that there's only so
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going to buy sister wife jewelry?
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Part of me wanted to look up like what is the percentage of
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people in this country that are actually living plural
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marriage? Because I don't know when what
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logo was the way to go. We said this before.
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Maybe hearts, maybe hearts that connect that you could be like
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And then they make some stupid
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the ring and thinks it's so cool.
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Oh, could we get like brother brother bands like this?
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Cause Brandon says I could make it bigger in a men's size.
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And then they yuck it up about
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bands and then Kody get serious.
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Brother. Husband.
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Bands brother husband bands and Kody gets very serious and goes
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no, no, that wouldn't work like don't even bring it up.
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Shut up. No shutting that out.
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It's. Like you were just joking, the
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align with sister wives. And so then they start talking
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but without the husband. So it's like they're pricing
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this together but then not connecting the dots that hello,
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why would anyone want a sister wife ring?
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They just come up with it like in that moment, like, oh, sister
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And she's trying to sell it like
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know when you don't have a sister wife or when you don't
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have a husband, maybe then you look to your girlfriends like
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a sister wife because they help take care of your kids and
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they help do this. I'm like, no, motherfucker, they
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do not. Right.
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And you don't ask for that anyway.
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I, I came back to in my mind here just thinking about the
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stereotypical polygamist like Mormon family, and I am so
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sorry, but they're notoriously
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Do you think that they're going to be like, oh, I have got an
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extra like $250, whatever these rings are going to go for,
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which is probably going to be stupidly expensive for what
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they are, two little pieces of just plain metal.
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Do you think that they're going to be taking that money to buy
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themselves sister wife rings? No.
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No, they are getting the $15 blue light special ring at
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Kmart. That's what they're.
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Getting the Cracker Jack box ring so that they can give their
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kids the popcorn and then that
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box for some storage later. They're not going out and
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getting a sister wife ring for
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And it was a birthday present from the husband, the cracker.
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Exactly. I'm just imagining the sister
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wives of the world coming together.
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Like what was that cartoon where
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were like the saviors of the planet?
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How? Yeah.
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And then they would put their rings up Captain Planet and they
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would put their rings up and like call calling all sister
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wives. And then they're all like, we
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need to collect our EBT to like,
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together and buy a real piece of
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Meanwhile they all like literally just fucking hate each
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other and are in constant competition but whatever.
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Yeah, right. I wouldn't buy my sister wife a
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piece of jewelry if my life depended on it.
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Yeah, Oh my God, I wrote down.
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and I felt horrible writing that
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But I have done a little deep dive lately myself into FLDS,
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which I know that they're different from them, but yeah,
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the the poor thing. And then these rings and then
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what we find out about some of
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it costs and how there's like,
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of the bands. Come on, cut the fuck on.
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These guys are nuts. Nuts.
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We go back to the Suu campus. Yes, I wonder what their mascot
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is. I know we don't find that out.
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We're going to say it's the Roaring Roosters.
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We're going to make it up for them.
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I was going to say the rule followers considering the
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contrast to our other school later, but the rule following
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Roosters. Which would make sense because
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the Roosters rule the roost. Listen many levels.
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Oh my God. If you need a marketing team,
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hit us up. We're just coming up with this
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on the fly, just like they came up with sister wise best friend
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rings. Oh my God.
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Sister wise means super women.
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My God, we can do, brother. Husbands, no, we will not.
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So dumb. Oh, Madison very cutely says
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that Logan is her best friend and that she would miss him if
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he goes back to Utah. Yeah, but she wants him to be
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happy, which is so sweet. And I Love Actually getting
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moments like that from Maddie because how do I say this?
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I'm just not a fan. Not a fan.
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So whenever she shows like I'm a
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empathy for others, God that sounds terrible.
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She's got a touch of her dad in her.
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It's so interesting because I haven't watched the later
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seasons and I've been avoiding
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that would normally maybe be fed
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down there little rabbit hole every now and then, right.
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And I stopped doing that because
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this fresh perspective of watching it like in the moment
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for the first time. So I don't know that side of her
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and everything that I've seen of
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now has been her kind of in these cute moments or her being
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silly and funny. But then also being like a
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little jokey and I see so much
29:06
such as pulling the prank on Leon, for instance, and then
29:11
moments where she talks very highly of her and Logan's
29:15
childhood memories together. So I will be curious when this
29:20
flip happens because I know you and I are very similar and that
29:24
I'm not going to disagree with
29:27
So when is this going to happen and when am I going to start to
29:30
notice it? I'm so curious.
29:32
I'm also curious to see if any
29:35
this because it's hard to put your finger on it even.
29:40
It's not like she's just like a blatant asshole or something,
29:43
she's really not. But there's just elements of her
29:47
that I just find unlikeable and I can't put them into words.
29:51
I will put them into words. As the seasons progress, we will
29:54
see it and I will be like talking about it.
29:57
Oh, and I'm sure I'll notice it too, because just from little
30:00
like bits that you've told me and like her lifestyle, those
30:04
people like. Those those people.
30:08
People that you've described similarly, in my mind they are
30:14
annoying and self-righteous. Yes.
30:16
So obviously at some point I'll see it.
30:20
I think self-righteous is a phrase people would use.
30:23
Yeah when describing her. Yeah, not me.
30:26
And I feel like Leon is like that.
30:28
Yeah, I feel like Leon is very
30:32
At least that's what I've noticed about Leon.
30:35
And continues with Leon as well.
30:37
It gets even worse. So yeah.
30:39
I'm intrigued. The teens all grab a sandwich.
30:48
You know, in a food court at Suu?
30:50
Yeah, Somewhere on the campus,
30:52
Yeah, it's funny because they're
30:54
there's this overhead shot. So I'm like, oh, there's
30:56
surrounds on a second floor. There's balcony.
30:59
Balcony front, Sir. Yeah, but the flooring disagreed
31:04
with the fancy, so anyway, it's fine.
31:06
The teens are grabbing a sandwich.
31:07
They're sitting around talking
31:10
stay at home until they're done with school becoming a which is
31:14
so funny to hear this from them considering that we just had a
31:18
Brown family confessions where
31:23
Aspen Aspen says we don't even
31:28
And that comes up again. In this episode.
31:30
So it's like there's this duality of him saying things
31:35
like, well, you know, if I have my way and it's very, it's so
31:37
reminds me of like religious people that are not spiritual.
31:41
They're like dogmatic, right? Where it's like, if I you know
31:44
you, I want you to never leave
31:47
you find a husband. It's like territorial and
31:49
ownership vibes, you know? And they very much so are.
31:52
Seeking his approval. And does this man deserve that?
31:58
Does does he deserve for his children to be scrambling for
32:02
his approval when he doesn't have the time of day for them?
32:05
But that's why they're trying to
32:09
he's an absentee father at this point.
32:11
So it is really sad when you get
32:17
Is that what they say? I don't know.
32:18
Well, let's go with yes, but yeah.
32:21
Oh God, like wouldn't be the first time that I messed up
32:23
this. Saying on this podcast,
32:25
desperate for approval. From a man who ultimately
32:28
doesn't care, he's just doing a trope thing he just wants the
32:32
control over. Them he doesn't really want them
32:35
there other than just to have his little minions to control
32:38
right. Yeah, you need to be here and.
32:40
I'll never see you, but you need
32:43
Yeah. Weird.
32:44
Yeah, I feel like. Everybody, like every child from
32:47
our generation possibly had that
32:51
where their dad tried to exert
32:55
struggle. And you're like, but why?
32:57
Yeah, why does this even matter to you?
33:00
Because I said so. That was my dad's class because
33:03
I said so this is my. House and it's like.
33:06
I understand that if someone's
33:09
back and just being irrational
33:11
done with this because I said so.
33:13
I can actually understand that.
33:14
It just sucks when that's a default to being like, I
33:17
actually am not going to critical think.
33:19
I am not going to actually explain to you a person why I'm
33:23
concerned about what you're doing or why I'm saying you
33:26
can't do this thing. You're just going to listen to
33:29
And it's like God, because I'm just the leader of this.
33:33
Family. And that's the way that it is.
33:38
Yes. The Prophet, yeah.
33:40
Because each. Father is the prophet of his
33:43
household, right? Yeah.
33:44
The leader of his household. Yeah.
33:46
I mean he. Leads sermons in the family room
33:52
Literally made himself the judge and executioner of his family by
34:00
that can preach to them and making himself the prophet that
34:03
everyone has to listen to. He is so fucking self-centered
34:11
Logan says that he'll. Do church for his mom.
34:17
So he's considering Suu because of his mom and to make her
34:23
happy, but he's not super into it right now.
34:26
And all of them kind of laugh a little bit along about the
34:31
religion, and they kind of all seem like they're over it and
34:36
separated from it. Didn't it come across that way?
34:40
Yes.
34:42
Well, except for Leon. Except for Leon like.
34:44
It's just weird because I think,
34:47
attention to Leon's reaction at this point, to be honest.
34:50
Yeah, I was paying attention. To Maddie and Aspen, and when
34:54
Logan says that he would continue to do the church aspect
34:59
of his life for his mom because he knows it'll make her happy,
35:04
they kind of Chuck a butt it along.
35:05
And I got the vibe that they're checked out.
35:09
Like they're like, OK, cool, like.
35:10
God, you said that it'd be like if you're if a sibling said
35:13
something where you're like, OK,
35:15
you're going to do that. OK, Yeah, the.
35:18
Adults get to a Mexican restaurant of some sort.
35:21
I did not catch the name. It was hard to read, but I
35:24
didn't. They get to a restaurant.
35:26
And of course, it's all of the
35:29
It's Kody and Robyn, Janelle, Christine and Meri.
35:36
Thank you for telling us. Who the parents are in this
35:39
family we're at the end of season 4 I'm.
35:43
Just saying, I love it, I love
35:46
In case you don't know who these
35:48
parents like in this family well.
35:51
So good they do parentify some
35:54
So true. No, yeah, Logan is not.
35:56
Actually a father, he just has
36:01
Oh boy, they go to this Mexican restaurant to have a discussion
36:06
about the homes. Yes, they're going to have a
36:09
they need. To have a talk a.
36:10
Serious talk, and my guess is that they're doing it at a
36:13
restaurant so that they're out
36:16
around. They can have this serious
36:18
discussion and not have eavesdropping ears.
36:23
Oh, little one's listening. Little one's listening, OK.
36:26
Yeah. So they probably.
36:28
Each have one of the older children at a home.
36:31
Robyn has a. Babysitter Robyn couldn't ask
36:34
any of the other kids. Well, she could ask Mckelty, so
36:37
at. This point, Yeah, Mckelty was
36:39
probably watching her kids pretty frequently still.
36:41
Yeah, so Janelle says we can put
36:47
day contract to hold the homes
36:51
But she got some news from Mona that they basically need to do
36:56
this or they're going to end up losing one of the properties
37:00
because the builder is getting
37:05
getting some earnest money down or something, some sort of
37:08
promise from them since this is 4 lots that he's holding.
37:12
Yeah, so we got to get serious.
37:14
Janelle does not say the. Term finite resources here, but
37:18
it's still popped into my head because Janelle loves to say
37:22
finite resources. We have those finite resources.
37:24
We only have finite resources
37:25
and this is a continued theme for her.
37:28
We are going to talk about their
37:32
make sure to let us know that they have finite resources we
37:35
get into. Conversation about why the homes
37:40
are so important. Yet again.
37:43
Kody in his interview on the couch, looks burnt to a crisp.
37:48
Yeah, yeah, he is looking. Fried.
37:51
Yeah, he's still and he's got those.
37:53
The sunglass eyes, Yeah, and his
37:56
Burnt to shit? Yeah, and his nose.
37:58
Is still peeling. In red and.
38:02
He says that. He is anxious about not seeing
38:05
the kids. He's super anxious about how
38:07
much, how little he's been seeing the kids.
38:12
I think he's straight up says.
38:15
for a long time. 5 days which is
38:17
Later find out is. Five days or he's volunteers 5
38:20
days. But at first he just says, I
38:22
haven't seen some of the kids for a long time.
38:24
And I was like, Oh my gosh, like, how do you refer to your
38:27
own children as people you don't
38:31
they might live a mile away? 2 miles.
38:33
I mean, Meri's only like a mile away from the furthest person,
38:36
I think, if I remember correctly.
38:38
So we're not talking about like, you know, I got to drive an hour
38:45
road. Plus the way they've been
38:46
selling. It this entire season is that,
38:51
children are still going from house to house.
38:53
So the children have to tell them where they're going to be
39:00
away. So that's where the issue has
39:02
been with the kids, is that they still want to be going house to
39:06
house, but the parents need to keep track of the kids more.
39:10
They're here, they're there. So in my mind, I'm like, how are
39:23
Because Meri would basically be the outlier, right?
39:25
Like Meri lives the furthest away from these houses.
39:28
She has one child who is driving.
39:32
I'm not sure if Leon's driving, but you know, I can see how the
39:37
kids would be Bob Brown. More between Janelle and
39:39
Christine's house for sure. Maybe even Robyn's at this
39:41
point. We have our suspicions.
39:45
We have had suspicions confirmed
39:48
that Kody's already spending the
39:53
Robyn's house. So the kids I'm guessing are not
39:58
going over to Robyn's house. I feel like it's.
40:01
Important to mention Christine's
40:06
because we're trying to harken
40:09
And for people who haven't watched these for a very long
40:12
time and are still watching the show currently, maybe we can
40:17
shed a little light on where they're at right now and moments
40:21
from her book specifically where
40:29
special time in their lives, Special time in their lives.
40:33
Time where they're disconnected.
40:34
And and how when Kody's not seeing.
40:38
His kids for a long time. I just can't even imagine saying
40:44
your children by a long distance.
40:46
I travel for work. I'm gone half the month.
40:48
I haven't seen my kids in a long time.
40:50
That's a real sentence to say. You live a mile away at the
40:54
most. I mean, yeah.
40:57
So in Christine's book, she talks about how her house is
41:03
spitting distance from Robyn's and she can see Kody's car
41:08
constantly at Robyn's. And she is telling Meri and
41:12
she's telling Janelle. He's always over there.
41:16
He's always over there. But obviously the wives aren't
41:24
Meri's. Janelle knows he's not at
41:26
Christine's. They aren't communicating
41:28
enough. It's like a bad sitcom because
41:35
he's here, he's here. I can see him there.
41:38
And they're not believing her. They're literally not believing
41:42
her. They're gaslighting her at this
41:44
point. And she says that she wanted to
41:48
get closer with Robyn, but she felt like she couldn't even just
41:58
And she would feel like she was intruding on their time, just
42:01
popping over and then your husband is there.
42:05
It's so weird when he's talking in this interview saying he
42:10
hasn't seen his kids in so long. I could tell looking at
42:15
Christine's face that she is worked.
42:19
Yeah, yes, because she. Knows what's?
42:21
Going on right now, Oh my gosh, so many moments of.
42:25
That or adjacent to that in this episode, not even getting into
42:34
But just like the wives averting eye contact, the wives are
42:37
looking different places. The almost like I'm not going to
42:45
anything with my face right now because it would probably be
42:47
negative. So it's like that struggle to do
42:49
nothing in a sense it's. Yeah.
42:53
Well, in the interview like. Q&A episode that we just had,
42:57
and who knows what order that's in.
42:59
Who knows if that's before this or after?
43:01
Who knows when that's shot? Yeah, but there was so much
43:05
tension in that room and so much
43:12
the wives. And that happens again in this
43:15
episode while they're having this discussion.
43:19
Yeah, we definitely get some more of Kody's.
43:20
True colors in this upcoming conversation he's been.
43:24
Pretty it's. Not, I'm not going to say he's
43:26
done extraordinarily well, but
43:30
He's done OK. He's met expectations when it
43:35
comes to misleading everybody about who he is.
43:39
You know, like he's very much,
43:41
showboat. He's putting on his thing, he's
43:43
putting on an act. And we're seeing more and more
43:45
of the cracks and more and more of The Who he really is and how
43:48
he speaks to these women is very
43:52
He's been able to pull the wool over people's.
43:53
Eyes until these last two episodes, you're like.
44:00
There's no wool over my eyes. There's no wool over my eyes
44:02
anymore. And I, I knew that this was
44:04
coming. I knew he spoke to them this
44:05
way. And there have been moments
44:08
throughout, you know, the first Four Seasons now where you're
44:11
like, Oh my God, this guy's an
44:13
But it comes across as just a foolish man making innocent
44:19
mistakes because he's a man. And dirt der, he's a dopey man
44:23
that just doesn't get it right
44:26
But now we're seeing him be a little talk down to Mansplain,
44:33
literally talk to them like their children.
44:36
The faces he makes in this episode when speaking to them or
44:41
behind their backs. The facade is crumbling.
44:46
Yes, absolutely. Kody says yes.
44:49
Let's put an offer in on the home and tell the kids we're
44:53
putting in an offer on the home.
44:55
Who's in? And then the wives draw him back
45:06
It's it's a little hard to go through this conversation
45:10
because as they do in so many episodes, there's so many cuts
45:16
conversations where it's just like, Oh my God.
45:19
Kody says at some point, like we need to keep doing our marketing
45:26
moment, including This is why we need to get my sister wife's
45:30
closet live to make money for the new houses.
45:33
And it's like, OK, that transitions into him referencing
45:41
then they should. Like vacations is one thing that
45:47
they be house poor, straight up. Yeah.
45:50
And Christine says. That she is nervous about being
45:53
mortgage poor because they have been mortgage poor before and it
45:58
she was going to put food on the table in those times.
46:00
And you can tell she's very nervous here.
46:03
But they get to the restaurant and the whole point is to have
46:10
And then it's like drawn back in and then they start the
46:13
discussion. Yes, that is true.
46:15
It's so fucking weird. Like, he just wants them all to
46:18
agree with him right away. And then when Christine brings
46:26
It is true. It's like he's like, I'm going
46:29
we're going to vote. It's very chem centric.
46:31
Of course, the discussion is for them to sit there and listen to
46:34
him for 20 seconds and then agree with him.
46:37
Like, OK, we're actually here to talk.
46:40
And when you're in, you said Christine talks about how the
46:43
finances scare her. They make her nervous.
46:45
She gives us an example about how when they were broke living
46:49
in Lehigh because they couldn't actually afford that house,
46:53
like, they barely could make it work.
46:55
And she says she didn't get to visit her dad for years because
46:59
they didn't have any money. And, you know, she was at the
47:03
time. I mean, she gives examples in
47:04
her book. And I, I'm not sure if they
47:06
discuss her like moonlighting on the show, but she would work
47:09
like nights or week, like, you know, when she wasn't watching
47:17
She was working like these people had no money at all.
47:21
They sell her in this. Show as the one who has always
47:27
Yeah and that is bullshit. She has had jobs and just worked
47:34
It's weird and to be in that place.
47:36
Where you're 9:00 to 5:00 as a responsibility is to raise these
47:43
these people's children during the day because they're out
47:46
earning money. OK, cool.
47:47
But then after that to go out and work because there's not
47:50
enough of it. And, you know, I can't say that
47:53
it's not necessarily part of her fault because at the
47:55
beginning, there's times in the show where she's like, you
47:57
know, bring home the bacon and I'll fry it in the pan.
48:00
Like she plays into the role. Like, she doesn't make it sound
48:03
like, no, I worked like she doesn't stand up for herself in
48:06
that way. But it's still just weird that
48:11
that. Out for her and make the trope
48:22
it. When honey, she was
48:25
homeschooling, she was working beyond 9:00 to 5:00.
48:29
That's the thing. When you are a stay at home mom,
48:38
24/7, right? Because you don't get time off.
48:41
Just because your spouse comes
48:42
home doesn't mean that they take
48:46
the evening without you. No.
48:49
So she's working on top of working and they sell her as the
48:55
stay at home mom that has never worked and they do her a grave
48:59
injustice and she does not stand
49:02
You are right. She lets the trope play out.
49:04
I wonder so many times. Throughout this show, how much
49:08
of the element of them having the show rules some of these
49:12
decisions? You know, it has to be so
49:14
significant because the way they
49:18
relationships down the road, we have to say, look at what we
49:21
have and it's like all you have is a show.
49:24
Like at some point all they have
49:27
They don't even have relationships anymore.
49:30
It's hard to know how much is danced and revolved around them
49:33
being on a show at this point.
49:36
this point it's like we're getting glimpses into their life
49:39
and like we're following their
49:40
It doesn't there's, I mean, a Meri's pregnancy bed is totally
49:44
a show thing. I don't know.
49:47
It's just something to point out.
49:49
I don't think that this conversation.
49:50
Is a show bit I think that they have such poor communication
49:55
that it does play off like a bad
49:58
Yeah, because you're like how could you not talk to each other
50:01
about this? How could you not know that he
50:04
is at this persons house? It's so baffling when you're
50:08
watching it and it's just like
50:12
the coyotes coming up on them and you see it from a mile away
50:15
but they don't see it. And Kody here says that they
50:21
could cut vacations out. And like you said, Christine
50:24
talks about how she wasn't able to go and visit her dad for at
50:28
least a couple of years when they were house poor before.
50:32
And so she's worried about not
50:35
again, like her dad, for instance.
50:38
And Kody flips the script and he
50:46
commitment of being next to each
50:50
Does that make sense? Right.
50:53
So at this. Point the line that you're
50:55
talking about, we have once again gone from the restaurant
50:58
to like a couch moment and so it's like they're reflecting
51:02
back on this as we know it as viewers, right.
51:04
So they're talking about something that's already
51:06
happened and Kody does say, you know you're scared of the
51:09
commitment. Does that make sense in the way
51:12
that you're saying that like does that make sense?
51:15
But it's, and I feel like to me as a viewer, it was another
51:18
layer of awkwardness because it wasn't even in the moment at
51:21
the restaurant. It's like, once again, he's had
51:24
time to marinate on this. He he doesn't have to even do
51:27
this, but he sought this out. How can I twist this to make it
51:33
a her problem, not an us or a me
51:35
That she's being selfish and that she can't make this
51:38
commitment to the homes. Not what indication.
51:43
Is there that Christine is scared of a commitment to live
51:47
next to her sister wives? Not at all like that is.
51:50
Insane if if. Anything she might not want to
51:52
literally live below them. She was a basement wife in
51:55
Lehigh. She might not want to share
51:56
walls and be in the basement. But there has been no indicator
51:59
that Christine's like I could never live at the end of a
52:02
cul-de-sac in a separate house
52:04
Like that is not. We as a viewer have no inkling
52:07
that that's a thing. No, he's trying to manipulate
52:09
her. And looking at his face during
52:11
this time on the couch where he's speaking at her, she's
52:16
looking at him with this, like, blank stare on her face.
52:23
Like you're totally manipulating
52:25
Like I think in her mind, the wheels are turning.
52:28
Like this motherfucker, he is twisting my words right now and
52:33
making it into something that's totally not true.
52:36
Yeah. He's gaslighting her in front of
52:40
everybody and it's so obvious.
52:45
And for him to say, does that make sense?
52:47
Like I'm explaining your own thoughts to you and does it make
52:51
sense? Right.
52:53
Utterly bizarre. God.
52:54
Yeah, tell me how I feel to. Watch Tell Me How I Feel They
52:57
get back to the restaurant scene
53:01
a vacation to save her grocery
53:05
What the fuck? Kody also has a habit.
53:08
Which we will discover later in the show of referencing anytime
53:11
anyone goes somewhere as a vacation.
53:13
OK, so visiting family sure can be a vacation.
53:16
But sometimes we all know visiting family is more of an
53:18
obligation than a vacation. Like you're going to see someone
53:21
and if you're broke especially, it's probably not a vacation.
53:26
It's more of a burden. So to even phrase it like if you
53:29
need a vacation, you want to take a vacation, save your
53:32
grocery money. Well my God it's so insensitive
53:37
you piece of shit. I got your.
53:39
Kids to feed and I need to save my grocery money and not feed
53:43
my kids if I want to do anything.
53:46
Fuck off Fuck off. That comment was so dirty to me
53:52
and gross. And then Robyn actually stands.
53:57
Up for her.
53:59
And this I will say this line that Robyn says she looks at
54:03
Kody and says all you needed to do was assure her right now and
54:07
say, I understand your concern.
54:10
This is how we can fix it or this is what we can do.
54:15
And all you needed to do was assure her more.
54:18
And he looks shocked and does like a clutches his pearls that
54:24
Robyn said something to him and then we cut to a commercial.
54:28
But what I love about this? Is our interpretations of this
54:36
Because I viewed this as an example of Robyn coaching Kody.
54:43
Like, this is what you're
54:45
supposed to do in these situations.
54:48
She speaks Kody. She feels like she needs to
54:50
translate for people. So when she's saying this is
54:54
when you say, I know it's scary,
54:58
it? It's like, OK, so you're just
55:01
trying to get him to say a nicer
55:06
And he looks at her with some kind of way.
55:08
I don't even know how to describe how he was looking at
55:10
her. But I think it's interesting
55:14
that you were seeing it as like that she was positively
55:16
coaching or, or telling him what he should say that would be
55:19
more nice or palatable or something.
55:21
And I viewed it as like, Oh my God, this girl is so kind of
55:27
twisted. Like, this is what you should
55:29
have said. And I don't think he needs the
55:35
It's a little weird. Well, and I looked at it more.
55:42
say to your wife. Because like, if if we were out
55:46
somewhere together and if my husband said something stupid or
55:54
Or if I was like, do I look fat in this outfit?
55:57
And if he was like, yeah, you look like a heifer, you'd
56:00
probably smack him and be like, this is where you tell her she
56:13
quiet. And Christine has this like
56:16
checked out vacant void look on her face and he's speaking at
56:20
her or like she is a dog that needs to be put in her place.
56:25
And then Robyn, in my mind, it felt like piped up and stood up
56:29
for her. Like, hey buddy, that's not what
56:35
nervous or scared about something.
56:37
Sure, that's how I. Viewed it.
56:40
Now, I think if I knew all the manipulative stuff she'd done
56:45
down the road, I might be viewing it as you're viewing it.
56:51
started out with good intentions
56:54
Sometimes when I see things like
56:58
dialogue between them like this,
57:02
disingenuous. I think she's trying to do the
57:05
right thing by them sometimes.
57:09
This is it. I I wouldn't say that my
57:11
interpretation, I wouldn't back it up with some adamancy.
57:14
It's just observing this discussion in this conversation
57:18
happening. I just had the like little hairs
57:20
on the back of my neck stand up being like this bitch.
57:24
If I was married to someone, This is a whole nother dynamic.
57:27
How do you sit with your husband
57:30
this with his other spouses and another spouse jumps in to say
57:34
this is how you should be talking to Chris.
57:36
I would be like what is happening right now, like
57:40
because I can see what you're talking about.
57:43
It's interesting. And it's we have Robyn Robyn's
57:46
intentions. It's a mystery.
57:49
It's all just a mystery. I feel like if I were Christine.
57:52
And nobody had said anything. And he just spoke to me like
57:56
that. I would be more offended than
57:58
somebody saying this. I think I'd be like all right,
58:02
good to know that literally nobody has my back and they
58:05
heard him twist my words and repeat a different thing back to
58:10
me than what I actually said. Good to know that you all are
58:14
seeing this too, huh? Like I would be pissed.
58:18
Even as you're saying this, I.
58:22
I've had with someone in my life
58:27
to tell me how I feel. They really like to tell me what
58:30
I think and it would be like, well, I know that you're just
58:34
blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would be like, I'm not
58:36
even knee jerk reaction upset that you're telling me how I
58:38
feel. That's not even true.
58:41
Like I can tell you how I'm feeling.
58:43
I can tell you what I'm thinking.
58:44
I haven't even volunteered that you think you know me so well.
58:49
You do know me really well. This person did know me really
58:51
well and half the time could probably tell you what I would
58:53
think about a situation, but that doesn't mean you just get
58:56
to tell me what I'm thinking as in this kind of manner.
59:00
It's manipulative and I don't know about all the terms, but
59:04
you don't get to tell someone this is how you feel and this is
59:07
how you think. It's fucked up.
59:09
I don't need you to be my mouthpiece.
59:10
Like when you open your mouth,
59:13
Like shut the fuck up. Hate that it's gaslighting.
59:16
This is like the. Definition of gaslighting.
59:18
Yeah, I mean, it's not a lot of people use that word now and
59:23
like, they misuse that word. But this is the definition of
59:26
gaslighting. What he's doing to her, you
59:27
know, I try to avoid. Gaslighting and narcissists and
59:30
things because everyone thinks, you know, someone wronged me,
59:32
they're a narcissist. It's like it's just not true.
59:34
It isn't true. Like OK this.
59:37
Is a very good example. Of gaslighting though.
59:40
He's literally twisting something that she said and
59:42
making it into something completely different and then
59:45
trying to convince her of his way and that that's what she
59:48
really thought. So weird.
59:50
It's. Gross and.
59:52
As a viewer, and like, how could
59:57
is fucked up that he is doing this?
59:59
Yeah, I know it was so. Blatant.
1:00:01
Yeah, Well, OK. Now let's.
1:00:04
Cut to the vote. OK, so we've had this little
1:00:06
moment and then we go back to the restaurant and we've got
1:00:10
Robyn, Janelle and Christine. They say that they would support
1:00:14
making an offer on the homes, on
1:00:17
earnest money to hold them. It's almost like a little round
1:00:20
Robyn thing, but I feel like we didn't even get a good start to
1:00:24
it. It's just like Kody's just like,
1:00:25
what do you think? What do you think?
1:00:26
What do you think? And so they say they would not a
1:00:28
lot of details. Then it gets to Meri.
1:00:32
Meri's like, I don't know. It's like, Oh my God, of course
1:00:37
Meri oh mayor. It's like production is going
1:00:41
wife. To wife and with each wife's
1:00:42
issue as to why they haven't agreed yet.
1:00:45
So first they go to Christine.
1:00:50
And then they cut back to the restaurant and Christine, will
1:00:53
they go around? And Christine reluctantly says,
1:00:56
yes, I get, I am in. And then Meri's turn to put up a
1:01:01
fight. I don't know.
1:01:03
I don't know. Well, now we're going to go to
1:01:05
the couch. And what do you have to say,
1:01:07
Meri? Why don't you want to do it now?
1:01:09
And Meri's crying. Again, more tears from Meri.
1:01:15
I shouldn't be making fun of Meri.
1:01:16
I cry all the time, but you know, it's just so funny when
1:01:20
this is like, we're at the restaurant then literally cut
1:01:22
too and she's literally crying
1:01:24
a ease in. There wasn't even any foreplay.
1:01:26
We're just like deep, balls deep
1:01:31
I noticed that her eyes look very very bright blue and it
1:01:34
made me wonder if she has colored contacts.
1:01:37
Yeah, I've thought that. A couple times about her too.
1:01:39
Yeah, she's crying. Because she's worried about
1:01:43
people judging her for the size of the home that she wants with
1:01:46
the one kid that she has and the
1:01:50
be leaving for college. Yes, the judgement she.
1:01:53
Feels like she'll get from many people including her family
1:01:57
which is very important. Including the family, the.
1:02:00
Family's going to judge her. Meri explains how she feels like
1:02:03
she's been punished in the past because she only has one child.
1:02:08
And this is obvious. This is family history going
1:02:10
back a long time. It's about more than just marry,
1:02:13
having one child. There's a whole bunch of shit
1:02:15
which Janelle will bring up and we'll get into.
1:02:19
But you know, I don't really know how to read Meri sometimes
1:02:24
because she's starting with this
1:02:26
punished because I only have one
1:02:28
And I feel like she almost like volunteers the thing that she
1:02:30
feels will be disarmed or will
1:02:34
going to say, this is what they're going to say.
1:02:35
And it's like, oh, I think you
1:02:37
people might really say, which
1:02:41
a big house. They think you want nice shit.
1:02:44
Janelle thinks he can't budget
1:02:47
And we'll get there. We get Meri.
1:02:49
Saying that oh this like, woe is
1:02:53
the past. They think that I don't deserve
1:02:54
as much as them because they have more kids than me and so
1:02:58
why should Meri have as much as we have?
1:03:01
And she doesn't deserve all of
1:03:03
And then Kody says he doesn't want her filling the void.
1:03:08
The lack of children with more
1:03:12
Well, Meri says. I feel like Kody thinks I just
1:03:15
want a 7 bedroom house. That's all I want.
1:03:18
And it's like, OK, I mean, it's also funny with this show
1:03:22
because of the examples, Like why are we talking about a seven
1:03:25
bedroom house for a woman who has one child and a quarter of a
1:03:29
husband? Like, I just, this is just
1:03:31
ridiculous. But also, you know, then Kody
1:03:34
tries to jump in with his reassurance and I'm putting
1:03:37
reassurance in quotes. He wants Meri to recognize that
1:03:40
he also has a say. And he's doing this as a gesture
1:03:43
of like, listen, Mare, I, I want
1:03:48
deserve, you know, and I'm your husband.
1:03:49
And I should get a say too. And it's like police.
1:03:52
Police have a say, too. And then she says that she, she
1:03:57
kind of does this like thing where she maybe like like puts
1:04:01
her crying a little bit. Well, I might just want a wet
1:04:05
bar or a deck. Like I didn't want 7 bedrooms
1:04:11
but perhaps a wet bar or a deck would tide me over.
1:04:15
Very important to. Emphasize the wet bar and a
1:04:18
deck. And then I thought to myself.
1:04:21
Did you just throw a temper tantrum?
1:04:24
Did you just pretend that this
1:04:28
problem so that people would cave to you so that you could
1:04:32
have your wet bar in your deck?
1:04:35
Meri, Wow. She would never do anything like
1:04:47
have to conserve more because Meri has spent money that they
1:04:56
mindset behind why she thinks that Meri should taper back on
1:05:07
kids are going to be spending more money.
1:05:09
So if you can, you know, live within your means a little bit
1:05:14
more so that they can have a little bit more.
1:05:15
If you are this big family that you say you are, then yes, you
1:05:19
would want to give to those that
1:05:23
less than you because they have more needs.
1:05:26
But then I get her side where it's like no, no, no, no, no,
1:05:29
no. She is putting in all of the
1:05:33
effort and the time and has worked and is on the show and
1:05:38
deserves to get paid the same as
1:05:41
And just because they have more kids doesn't mean that they
1:05:44
deserve more. So I get both sides here before
1:05:48
Meri talks about. How she might want a wet bar in
1:05:50
a deck, which is gold. It is gold.
1:05:55
It is precious, precious gold,
1:05:58
I want to have the conversation to Kody about the house.
1:06:02
But only with you, not with other people's input and their
1:06:06
opinion of what I get with less children, which is setting us
1:06:09
up for this whole the number of children talk and like ushering
1:06:14
in Janelle's, you know, points
1:06:18
whatever. And Meri has the interesting
1:06:20
rebuttal where she says yes, but
1:06:22
things so they last longer. And it's like, you can tell this
1:06:25
is a long time. This conversation has probably
1:06:28
been happening for 20 years or
1:06:31
It's been going on for a long time.
1:06:33
Like Meri has her bullet points on why she should have a nice
1:06:37
coffee table because it gets taken care of.
1:06:40
The kids don't spill on it. The kids don't do whatever.
1:06:42
I take care of my things, which is, you know, basically a, I
1:06:47
don't know. Is it a masked insult to
1:06:48
Janelle? I don't think it's very masked.
1:06:50
Like, you don't take care of your shit, which she doesn't.
1:06:52
I mean, Christine's house, Yeah.
1:06:53
She was busy raising some kids and working.
1:06:55
She wasn't busy cleaning. Let me tell you, like, that
1:06:58
house was a disaster. So, you know, Meri's probably
1:07:00
like, I keep my shit nice, so I spend money on things and it's
1:07:04
To her in this moment though, and she says, I have thought
1:07:08
that in the past. I have had those thoughts in the
1:07:13
Yeah, I have had those thoughts before.
1:07:14
And you're right. You don't deserve less than
1:07:17
because you have less children than us.
1:07:19
And then Janelle kind of backtracks and says that she
1:07:23
doesn't want her to feel judged for having one child and that
1:07:26
she doesn't think that she deserves less just because she
1:07:34
Savin Robyn. But before we go into Robyn.
1:07:37
I just want to point out that in this exchange somewhere, I, I
1:07:41
don't remember exactly where, is when Meri apologizes to Janelle.
1:07:46
talking about the like, we had
1:07:48
whatever and you didn't. And Meri's like, I'm sorry,
1:07:50
Janelle, that you thought that I
1:07:53
to you and it was. So these people have such, these
1:07:58
wives, these people have such deep hurt and things that have
1:08:04
not been addressed for so long.
1:08:07
Because even Meri's apology to me didn't read like a, it didn't
1:08:17
thought were yours. Like, Oh my God, like people are
1:08:25
it's almost like isn't, aren't these moments to actually have
1:08:28
some real vulnerability and to build some real connection in
1:08:31
your relationship and mend some things and move forward.
1:08:34
And it's like they're all just kind of Christine does
1:08:38
apologize. It did seem legitimate.
1:08:40
She has a way of talking that's a little like a little almost
1:08:44
too matter of fact for the time. It almost seemed a little
1:08:48
insensitive, like I'm sorry for thinking you needed a smaller
1:08:50
house. And it's like, oh God, you could
1:08:57
whole like, sorry that you thought I took things from you.
1:09:00
It's like, Oh my God, it's so
1:09:02
all over the. Place this conversation is so
1:09:04
back and forth between everybody
1:09:11
defensive but also crying. And you can tell some of these
1:09:16
things they've been thinking about.
1:09:18
Oh, well, they're washing their hair in the shower.
1:09:20
This is what I should have said.
1:09:21
And next time when I get a chance to say this, this is what
1:09:26
Of when someone apologizes for like, well, I'm sorry if you
1:09:29
feel like I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it's like you're
1:09:33
Like that's not what you need to
1:09:36
Like no, when somebody says that
1:09:38
Apologizing. I'm sorry that you feel that
1:09:40
way. They're not apologizing for
1:09:42
their behavior. They're saying, well, your
1:09:45
reaction isn't what I expected.
1:09:47
And Nah, that sucks. Yeah, and that's what she did
1:09:51
here. So true.
1:09:52
Okay, sorry for interrupting you when you were talking about the
1:09:55
Robyn point, because that is what we're coming up to.
1:09:58
Robyn. Robyn Sabin cry brows.
1:10:00
Here we are rather yuck moment from.
1:10:03
Robyn She brings up the surrogacy, of course, because
1:10:06
why not? It has to be brought up.
1:10:09
Robyn And then Robyn starts a Sabin.
1:10:11
So she brings up the surrogacy and then she goes.
1:10:16
I just wonder what her life would be like if she'd had more
1:10:21
kids, and would it be more fulfilling?
1:10:23
And what if she had a little boy that was running through her
1:10:27
house and then scratched his name into some of her nice
1:10:30
furniture? Maybe her furniture wouldn't be
1:10:33
so nice if she'd had more kids running through her house.
1:10:37
No? Your reenaction right now.
1:10:40
Is oh, it's so precious. It's literally making me cry.
1:10:45
She is crying. When she's talking about this
1:10:48
and she's putting her hand down and she's I just.
1:10:51
And that's why I brought up the surrogacy, because I know how
1:10:55
important my children are to me and how much they mean to me.
1:11:00
And for me to bring up when I got her to Meri and I just love.
1:11:06
Idea of the visual. I had of a little boy running
1:11:10
through a room and like scratching his name into a
1:11:12
coffee table. I was like fuck yes, what child
1:11:16
scratches. Their name into their parents
1:11:19
like kitchen table or coffee table.
1:11:21
It's so good you do. That like a normal child.
1:11:24
And you crawl under your bed and
1:11:26
you motherfucker. Or in a closet.
1:11:29
But I. Can't see it, it's so.
1:11:31
Silly, I mean. It's so great because even when
1:11:34
watching this, like Robyn's working herself up, She's
1:11:36
getting herself upset by sharing
1:11:40
wants this for Meri. Meri does not get any more
1:11:45
emotional. I noticed if you, I mean, I
1:11:48
shouldn't say that I looked at
1:11:51
breakdown and then at the end,
1:11:56
Like she doesn't look any more
1:11:59
She's just kind of like watching.
1:12:01
No, because I'd be offended. If I were her, I'd be like, cuz
1:12:05
I have less love in my heart because I only have one
1:12:07
childhood bitch. Because you know how it feels to
1:12:10
care about children more than I do just because you have more
1:12:13
kids than me, right? That doesn't track.
1:12:17
That's not fucking true. It's so bad.
1:12:19
It's like, yeah, not. Only is this mildly offensive
1:12:22
EPS? It is, but like what the fuck
1:12:27
you're just saying to her. Everything that she fears, she
1:12:30
fears that the family thinks that she doesn't have as much,
1:12:35
you know, love in her life or as
1:12:39
doesn't have children. And you're basically saying
1:12:42
she's never going to know what
1:12:44
she only has 1, not 5, right? Like and she's been integral.
1:12:49
In all of these children's lives
1:12:52
has plenty of children that are not her bio child.
1:12:56
And yet she's, you know, she's
1:12:58
And it's all a continued thing
1:13:01
Like, can't we just get over this?
1:13:03
Do we have to keep talking about
1:13:04
Yeah, It's just offensive at this.
1:13:06
Point and they don't get it. She doesn't fucking get it.
1:13:10
She doesn't get it. No yuck.
1:13:12
Shut up. Wow.
1:13:13
OK, so my face. Hurts from laughing and your
1:13:17
theatrical presentation. Your version of Robyn crying.
1:13:21
Thank you for that. Oh boy, I think right now would.
1:13:23
Be a great time to. Take a break.
1:13:25
Yes. There's still so much left of
1:13:26
this episode to get through. Yeah.
1:13:28
So what we're going to do, ladies and gentlemen, Ladies,
1:13:30
gentlemen, theys, themes, boys, girls, and others, we are going
1:13:35
to take a break. We're actually going to take a
1:13:37
break right now. I'm probably going to go to the
1:13:39
bathroom and then we're going to
1:13:44
episode as a bonus. Bright and early Thursday
1:13:47
morning, 2 episodes in one week.
1:13:50
A titillating little appetizer. Here, a little loose sushi roll
1:13:54
appetizer. When you saw loose sushi, I was.
1:13:58
loose tool again. I don't have any loose stools.
1:14:02
We'll be right back. Yeah, Hopefully my.
1:14:04
Stool's nice and firm, OK? Oh God, we'll see you on the
1:14:09
flip side.