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Sharri | 18 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight to the Albanezy government blames the weather
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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump for their budget position. Ray Hadley will
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Speaker 2: get stuck in live on the show Peter Duvlan's Trump
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Speaker 2: like push to deport dual citizen criminals.
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Speaker 3: The left are up in arms.
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Speaker 2: The Victorian crime wave is so bad that Steve Price
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Speaker 2: was caught up in the aftermath of a robbery.
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Speaker 3: He'll tell us about it shortly. Plus Liberal leader in.
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Mark Speakman caught out negotiating with the
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Speaker 2: anti Israel Greens after claiming he'd done no such thing.
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Speaker 2: My fire interview with the Greens where they insist on
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Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters having the right to harass Jews outside synagogues.
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Speaker 2: They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.
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Speaker 4: I absolutely stand with them.
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Speaker 2: That interview coming up. Plus the White House bags Israel
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Speaker 2: strikes on her muss. That's all on the show tonight.
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Speaker 2: But first, economists have warned loudly that Labor needed to
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Speaker 2: keep its pre election spending in check because the inflation
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Speaker 2: battle wasn't over. Economists said it was premature for the
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Speaker 2: RBA to cut rates when inflation wasn't back in target
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Speaker 2: range yet both the Albanezy government and the RBA effectively
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Speaker 2: declared mission accomplished when they celebrated a rate cut last month.
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Speaker 2: We warned at the time and all the economists on
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Speaker 2: the show said that this was reckless when inflation was
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Speaker 2: still a problem, the cost of living crisis still hurting families.
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Speaker 2: Well exactly a month later, those warnings have come to pass. Today,
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Speaker 2: the OECD said it expects inflation to be slightly higher
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Speaker 2: in Australia and globally.
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Speaker 3: It also has.
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Speaker 2: Downgrade did GDP growth projections for this year and next,
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Speaker 2: and the Secretary General matiirs Cormon said that inflation will
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Speaker 2: remain higher for longer. Of course, he pointed to global
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Speaker 2: uncertainty and Trump's tariffs in part, but he also warned
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Speaker 2: that fiscal and monetary policy should remain, in his words, prudent.
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Speaker 2: Part of his message is that governments should be cautious
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Speaker 2: with spending.
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Speaker 5: You know, in the end, you know, it's all about
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Speaker 5: of what is fiscally affordable and physically sustainable as well.
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Speaker 5: And part of our advice to countries around the world,
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Speaker 5: including in Europe, is to keep an eye on debt
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Speaker 5: sustainability on the need to rebuild fiscal buffers and fiscal resilience.
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Speaker 2: Now, economists have repeatedly warned that if Labour's records spending continued,
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Speaker 2: inflation would rise again. This is the last thing we
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Speaker 2: all need. And yet this says precisely what's at risk
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Speaker 2: of happening. Government spending is at record levels, with a
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Speaker 2: thirty percent rise on long run average. Yet the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: of course, doesn't accept any responsibility for rising inflation and
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Speaker 2: slowing growth. They blame Donald Trump, China, the Russia Ukraine War,
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Speaker 2: even the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: And Treasurer Jim.
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Speaker 2: Chalmers reinforced that narrative today in a major speech.
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Speaker 6: The global economy is volatile and it's unpredictable. There's a
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Speaker 6: new US administration disrupting trade, there's a slowdown in China,
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Speaker 6: there's war in Eastern Europe and a very fragile ceasefire
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Speaker 6: in the Middle East. Division and dissatisfaction around the world.
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Speaker 2: And of course just hours later that ceasefire in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East is no longer. And he also spoke about
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Speaker 2: the weather and the impact of ex tropical Cyclone Alfred.
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Speaker 3: But it's really.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump who is becoming the villain for the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 2: He'll be single handedly blamed for poor economic conditions here
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 6: It's clear now that the rules that underpinned global economic
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Speaker 6: engagement for more than forty years are being rewritten. The
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Speaker 6: whole world has changed. We've seen that change accelerate since
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Speaker 6: Inauguration Day in the US.
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Speaker 2: But The Australian's Political editor Simon Benson writes today that
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government has never accepted responsibility for rising inflation
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Speaker 2: or slow growth. It's always been global factors overseas.
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Speaker 3: Was never their own economic management.
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Speaker 2: Benson writes it has been a similar story of all
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Speaker 2: Labour's budgets since it came to office in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 2: without Trump, and none of it has been the government's fault.
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Speaker 3: The rest of the planets to blame. He says.
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Speaker 2: The narrative was much the same in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: but without the Trump factor. This time, however, the new
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Speaker 2: boogeyman is Trump, and he claims the US President's influence
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Speaker 2: on the global economy is seismic. But Benson says Trump
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Speaker 2: will be a convenient cover for what he calls a
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Speaker 2: sea of red ink that will underline the budget position
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Speaker 2: over the next decade. Now, the problem with this argument
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Speaker 2: is that the impact of Trump's steel and aluminium tariffs
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Speaker 2: to our economy is minuscule. The Australian reports that Treasury
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Speaker 2: Estimates estimates the direct hit to GDP from steel and
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Speaker 2: aluminium tariffs would be less than noer point not two
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Speaker 2: percent by twenty thirty. But it's clear categorically now that
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Speaker 2: the time of federal surpluses is over, and this is
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Speaker 2: why Albanezi was so reluctant to hold a federal budget,
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Speaker 2: because he loved to be able to point to the
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Speaker 2: surpluses as proof that he was a stable economic manager.
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Speaker 7: We also have been determined to return the budget to surplus,
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Speaker 7: replacing those liberal deficits with labor surpluses. All of these
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Speaker 7: measures aimed at alleviating cost of living pressures, whilst at
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Speaker 7: the same time delivering two budget surpluses.
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Speaker 3: For the first time.
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Speaker 7: In two decades, we contributed additional funding in our budgets
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Speaker 7: while delivering two budget surpluses. Again, easy to remember the
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Speaker 7: number of budget surpluses under the former government.
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Speaker 2: But now that he can't deliver a surplus, he's going
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Speaker 2: to blame Donald Trump. Trump, who won't take his phone cause,
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Speaker 2: who won't invite him to the White House, who won't
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Speaker 2: meet with his ambassador, and who won't roll out the
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Speaker 2: red carpet for a left leaning pro Palestinian, weak and
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Speaker 2: uncharismatic Prime Minister Well Albert Easy can blame Trump all
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Speaker 2: he likes. The revised inflation forecasts make it clear now
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Speaker 2: that the quarter of a present rate cut was premature
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Speaker 2: and the IBA board also has.
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Speaker 3: A lot to answer for now.
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Speaker 2: Throughout this anti Semitism crisis, right around the country we
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Speaker 2: have begged for tough leadership and for strong action. Well
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Speaker 2: tonight I can reveal that New South Wales Liberal leader,
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Speaker 2: a liberal leader, Mark Speakman, worked with the anti Israel Greens,
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Speaker 2: to set up a parliamentary inquiry to examine the laws
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Speaker 2: that ban Palestinian protests outside of synagogues, and that tough
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Speaker 2: and hate speech Speakman sided with the Greens and the
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian movement to demand an inquiry into when Premier
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins knew that the caravan didn't pose a live
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Speaker 2: terror threat. Now this inquiry has been used by the
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Speaker 2: Greens as a backdoor to repeal the hate speech laws,
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Speaker 2: the laws that Mark Speakman claims to support but if
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Speaker 2: he truly supported them, he wouldn't be calling for an
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Speaker 2: inquiry into the way in which they were introduced. This
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Speaker 2: is truly utterly extraordinary from Speakman and the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Coalition. Now Mark Speakman this afternoon on two GB
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Speaker 2: Radio denied that anyone in the coalition, as far as
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Speaker 2: he was aware, had negotiated with the Greens on this inquiry.
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Speaker 8: Have a listen so with the inquiry the way this works,
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Speaker 8: and there were a lot of parliamentary inquiries and lots
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Speaker 8: of issues for our listeners that may not follow this
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Speaker 8: process closely. But how did the terms of reference, what
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Speaker 8: the inquiry looks at, how is that developed? Do you
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Speaker 8: sit down with Sue Higginson, for instance, he was on
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Speaker 8: my show yesterday from the Greens to develop the plan.
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Speaker 9: Well, I have had absolutely no communication with Sue Higginson
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Speaker 9: or any Green on this. I don't believe any of
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Speaker 9: my colleagues in the Upper House have either, But do
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Speaker 9: you have to ask them there? But I certainly had
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Speaker 9: no communication with her directly or indirectly.
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Speaker 2: Well, he might need to clarify that statement because it
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Speaker 2: was wrong. Sue Higginson, she's the Greens MLC. She's on
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Speaker 2: my show tonight. It was a fiery interview. She told
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Speaker 2: me today on the phone and again in this interview
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Speaker 2: that she had negotiated the terms of reference with the
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Speaker 2: coalition and that it went back and forth. I also
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Speaker 2: spoke this afternoon with Liberal MLC Damien Tudorhope and he
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Speaker 2: confirmed that his office had been involved in negotiating the
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Speaker 2: terms of reference with the Libertarians and the Greens. Now,
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Speaker 2: the terms of reference call for an inquiry into the
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Speaker 2: relationship between the Dural caravan incident and the hate speech
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Speaker 2: laws along with the laws that ban protests outside synagogues.
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Speaker 2: To be very clear about this, this is what the
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Speaker 2: terms of reference state.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 2: They say, any references to the incident in any briefing
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Speaker 2: materials prepared the development, introduction and debate, and it goes
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Speaker 2: through the laws the legislation there. Now, the inquiry will
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Speaker 2: be open to submissions and no doubt one of them
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Speaker 2: will be from the Palestine Action Group who want the
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Speaker 2: laws repealed to be able to protest outside of synagogues.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 10: These laws are unconstitutional, they're undemocratic, they never should have
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Speaker 10: been passed. They were rushed through based on lies and
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Speaker 10: deception by this government. They need to be repealed immediately.
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Speaker 10: Chris Mins should actually resign in disgrace given the role
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Speaker 10: that he's played in lying to the Parliament and the
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Speaker 10: people of New South Wales. There are very few places
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Speaker 10: left in Sydney where anyone could protest if these laws
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Speaker 10: are allowed.
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Speaker 2: To stand, protest anywhere else, just not outside a place
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Speaker 2: of worship. Now, that was the Palestinian Action Group outside
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Speaker 2: the New Southwes Supreme Court today where they are launching
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Speaker 2: a legal challenge against the laws. That, as I said,
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Speaker 2: band protests outside of synagogues, So they want the right
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Speaker 2: to harass Jews outside of a synagogue, a place of worship,
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Speaker 2: a place where people pray, that has nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with the Middle East. These are Mark Speakman's bedfellows. How
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Speaker 2: embarrassing for a liberal leader. Now you may recall that
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Speaker 2: late last year it unfolded as we went to air
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Speaker 2: on this show Jews were locked down in the Great
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Speaker 2: Synagogue in the City of Sydney because of a Rabbid
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Speaker 2: mob outside barring their exit. Again, we've seen protests outside
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Speaker 2: synagogues in Melbourne two Again the Greens and these pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters are the bedfellows of Mark Speakman. The very
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Speaker 2: idea built into the terms of reference is that these
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Speaker 2: laws were introduced in a rush in response to the
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Speaker 2: notion that.
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Speaker 3: The caravan was a terror threat. But that's rubbish.
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Speaker 2: As Alex Rifchen pointed out here last night, Jewish community
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Speaker 2: groups have been campaigning for stronger hate speech laws, particularly
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Speaker 2: since October seven, but even before that.
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Speaker 11: For a long time we've advocated for stricter laws against
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Speaker 11: incitement of this sort. It's not about speech, it's not
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Speaker 11: about the exchange of ideas. We're talking about words that
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Speaker 11: are intended to incite hatred and violence in our communities.
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Speaker 12: That's something extremely serious. And after October seven, we of
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Speaker 12: course saw a whole series of clerics again glorifying the
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Speaker 12: Hammas attacks, encouraging the followers to do likewise, speaking specifically
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Speaker 12: of Jews in the most violent hatreul terms imaginable, and
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Speaker 12: there's no real remedy criminally, and.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the laws are so weak that Jewish groups
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Speaker 2: have had to take their own action against hate preachers
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Speaker 2: because the police were unable to do so, and the
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Speaker 2: ECAJ launched legal action in the Federal Court against one preacher,
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Speaker 2: for example, with some haddad for hate speech, for comments
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Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 13: Towards the end the times, when the Muslims will be
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Speaker 13: fighting the Jews, the trees will speak, the stone will speak,
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Speaker 13: and I will say, oh Muslim, oh believer, there is
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Speaker 13: a yohodi behind me, Come and kill him Manhaula, the
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Speaker 13: Habiyun ha ula yakum, almost Saha yina.
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Speaker 2: And I couldn't play all of their sermons. There was
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Speaker 2: so much more. Police couldn't take action because it didn't
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Speaker 2: meet the criminal threshold.
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Speaker 3: A new southeles.
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Speaker 2: Police have said on the record in public that tougher
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Speaker 2: laws are needed because the current ones are impossible to
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Speaker 2: prosecute either the hate preachers or the aggressive protesters, even
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Speaker 2: if it is anti Semitism or inciting violence.
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Speaker 14: Whilst I find the things that you're talking about offensive,
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Speaker 14: they need to meet.
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Speaker 3: Illegals prayers the Jews, f the Jews. That is hate speech,
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Speaker 3: that is racism that can't be interpreted in any other way.
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Speaker 14: I'm not arguing that it's hate speech, but doesn't meet
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Speaker 14: a criminal threshold for the police to prosecute. That's the question.
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Speaker 2: So clearly police felt they couldn't take action with the
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Speaker 2: current laws now. The Greens don't support these laws at all.
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Speaker 2: And I spoke, as I said, with Green's MLC Sue
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Speaker 2: Higginson today and she told me that she wants this
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Speaker 2: inquiry because she doesn't support the laws all the way
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Speaker 2: they were introduced. She thinks the entire anti Semitism crisis
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Speaker 2: has been confected. She supports the Palestinians who want to
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Speaker 2: be able to protest outside synagogues, and she wants other
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Speaker 2: groups like the LGBTQI sector to be included in the
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Speaker 2: hate speech laws, which is absurd. Yet in the Lower House, Speakman,
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Speaker 2: the Liberal leader, is backing the same attack as the
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Speaker 2: Greens on the Men's government.
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Speaker 15: On what date were you first briefed that the Dural
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Speaker 15: caravan incident could be a fake terrorism plot?
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Speaker 2: So that Speakman repeating the use of the word fake
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Speaker 2: that I spoke about last night, perpetuating the narrative that
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Speaker 2: this is all a fake crisis, a fake antisemitism threat. Well,
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Speaker 2: Chris Men's answered that police have already said publicly that
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Speaker 2: they ruled out it was a genuine live terror threat
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Speaker 2: on February the twenty first, but they weren't ready to
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Speaker 2: go public until March the tenth because they had counter
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Speaker 2: surveillance operations running. Now Chris Men's caught out this nonsense
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Speaker 2: of a fake narrative.
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Speaker 16: I want to make it clear, however, that despite it
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Speaker 16: not being terrorism as it's defined, this did instill terror
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Speaker 16: into members of our community. It was designed to stroke
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Speaker 16: fear into large segments of the New South Wales population.
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Speaker 1: And the threat was real.
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Speaker 16: Police were alleging court that individuals tried to fire bomb
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Speaker 16: and destroy property owned in the eastern suburbs of Sydney
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Speaker 16: by members of the Jewish community. There was a childcare
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Speaker 16: center adjacent to a synagogue in Marubri that was burned
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Speaker 16: to the ground as part of this alleged plot. There
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Speaker 16: were several other attempts in New South Wales by those
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Speaker 16: that are named by police, charged by police to instill
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Speaker 16: fear and intimidation in the community.
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Speaker 2: The Premier also made it clear that these laws banning
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Speaker 2: protests outside of places of worship and on hate speech
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Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the caravan.
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Speaker 16: Setting aside the operations of Kissinger and those who are
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Speaker 16: alleged to be part of this organized crime gang, there
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Speaker 16: is inarguably been a rise of anti Semitic racist attacks
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Speaker 16: in New South Wales over the set and it needed
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Speaker 16: to be met with comprehensive hate speech laws.
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Speaker 2: Now, Mark Speakman interrupted Chris Mins to again press the
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Speaker 2: premiere on when he learned that the caravan plot wasn't
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Speaker 2: a live terror threat, as if this is relevant when
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Speaker 2: there were fire bombings, and Premier Chris Mins was rightly
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Speaker 2: furious in his response.
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Speaker 16: I've seen the leader of the opposition slide under a
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Speaker 16: closed door. He has no backbone on these issues or
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Speaker 16: anyone else is to Speaker, we will not repeal these laws.
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Speaker 16: They're too important for New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Now, we have.
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Speaker 2: All watched Anthony Albanezi speak in such a weak fashion
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Speaker 2: about anti Semitism for what seventeen months now, It's quite
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Speaker 2: frankly astonishing to see such magnificent conviction from a labor leader.
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins is showing the entire Labor Party nationally how
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Speaker 2: you can show leadership on these important issues use of
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Speaker 2: national security and public safety. It's Albanezi who wanted to
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Speaker 2: downplay the antisemitism crisis. It's Tony Burke who seized on
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Speaker 2: the police claim that the spate of attacks were not
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Speaker 2: motivated by antisemitism.
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Speaker 3: Claims we now know to be wrong. And Mark Speakman
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Speaker 3: is playing right into Albanese's hands here right before a
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Speaker 3: federal election and Speakman claimed that MINS had caused additional
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Speaker 3: stress for the Jewish community.
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Speaker 15: The Jewish community has faced enough stress, enough pain, enough
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Speaker 15: anguish in recent months without that being added to by
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Speaker 15: the fear that there was a plot of a mess
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Speaker 15: terrorist attack.
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Speaker 2: This shows how out of touch Speakman is with the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community because the only extra stress and anguish being
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Speaker 2: put on the community is by Speakman himself in siding
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Speaker 2: with the Greens to.
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Speaker 3: Give a voice to those who oppose the laws that
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Speaker 3: actually protect us Australians.
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Speaker 2: It's a warped view from a Liberal leader who couldn't
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Speaker 2: be more out of sync with Peter Dutton's position. And
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Speaker 2: let me tell you the Federal Coalition is bewildered at
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Speaker 2: this shocking incompetence of Speakmen. Now, this parliamentary inquiry he
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Speaker 2: supports will give a voice to all of those who
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Speaker 2: insist anti Semitism isn't a problem. It will give a
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Speaker 2: platform to the Greens, the pro Palestinian movement, maybe even
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Speaker 2: the hate preachers. To quote Shakespeare in the tempest misery
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Speaker 2: acquaints a man with strange bedfellows and mark my words,
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Speaker 2: this saga has exposed Speakman's failings as leader. If he
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Speaker 2: pushes ahead in working with the Greens, this will be
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Speaker 2: the start of his leadership demise. All right, Ray Hadley's
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Speaker 2: coming up a bit later, and my fire interview with
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Speaker 2: the Greens MLC or so a bit later in the show.
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Speaker 2: But now let's bring in our Tuesday panel from a
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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, Bronman Bishop and Sky News host
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Speaker 2: Steve Price.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Now, step I actually want to start with you and
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to see you've got a broken arm. There
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Speaker 2: a sprayed it looks like now the crime wave in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: you know we're talking about national security. The crime wave
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Speaker 2: in Victoria is so bad that you were actually just
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Speaker 2: caught up in the aftermath of a rubbery at a
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Speaker 2: bottle shop.
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Speaker 3: Tell us what happened.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, this happened on Chapel Street in Melbourne today, bromin Gooday,
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Speaker 17: Sharry and I was amazed at what had occurred. I
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Speaker 17: walked into a liquor Land bottle shop in Chapel Street,
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Speaker 17: which is you know, used to be a premier shopping
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Speaker 17: strip in Melbourne. It's now full of drug add people,
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Speaker 17: homeless people, people wandering around with machetes in the middle
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Speaker 17: of the night. It's really become crime central. And this
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Speaker 17: liquor Land bottle shop, when I walked in, the young
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Speaker 17: fellow behind the counter and I met mention young deliberately
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Speaker 17: because a lot of young people work in bottle shops,
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Speaker 17: and he said, look, I'm sorry, I'm so upset, but
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Speaker 17: just before you got here, two blokes wandered in, both
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Speaker 17: carrying large bags. They went to the back of the
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Speaker 17: store and unloaded from my freezer four hundred and fifty
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Speaker 17: dollars worth of ready to drink vodka and bourbon cans
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Speaker 17: and simply walked out of the store. No one attempted
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Speaker 17: to stop them. The young guy behind the counter has
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Speaker 17: been instructed by the bosses of Liquorland not to do it,
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Speaker 17: and they just wandered off down the street. About a
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Speaker 17: month ago, the same thing happened a Woolworths bottle shop
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Speaker 17: just up the road. Young girl, first week on in
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Speaker 17: a job. She was terrified as well. This is happening
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Speaker 17: every day across Melbourne, and I suspect it probably happens
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Speaker 17: in other parts of Australia and it just shows social
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Speaker 17: the social fabric of the country is breaking down. It's
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Speaker 17: pretty particularly bad in Melbourne, but I think it's bad.
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Speaker 1: In other places as well.
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Speaker 17: We've seen Alice Springs and the towns in northern Queensland exactly.
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Speaker 17: I've just never witnessed this in my life, and I'm
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Speaker 17: sure Bromin's never witnessed in.
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Speaker 1: Her life either.
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Speaker 17: I mean, when does it happen that someone just walks
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Speaker 17: into a retail store, loads up what they want and
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Speaker 17: calmly walk out. There's no police walking up and down
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Speaker 17: the street. Police There'll be twenty minutes away.
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Speaker 2: That happens in San Francisco, where theft has been decriminalized,
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Speaker 2: and we've seen how San Francisco has ended up. But
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Speaker 2: that's shocking, and you know, we feel so sorry for
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Speaker 2: that young bloke who had to deal with that. But
22:35
Speaker 2: that message from Liquorland to their staff not to try
22:39
Speaker 2: and do anything, and that they've had to send that
22:42
Speaker 2: message brown because crime in Victoria and in Queensland, but
22:47
Speaker 2: you know in Victoria's is so bad at the moment.
22:50
Speaker 3: Now this is a really big issue.
22:53
Speaker 2: This is part of the reason Peter Darton has floated
22:56
Speaker 2: this idea, which some people have attacked as crazy, you know,
23:00
Speaker 2: deporting dual citizen criminals. But this is why he's floated
23:04
Speaker 2: this idea because people are so concerned about the wave
23:08
Speaker 2: of crime in Victoria and in Queensland and in Alice Springs.
23:11
Speaker 2: They're so concerned about public safety.
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Speaker 18: Well they are, and they're concerned with the judicial activism
23:19
Speaker 18: that is preventing them from being deported. Now, Albanesi and Co.
23:26
Speaker 18: Try and paint that as being pro trump Ism, No,
23:30
Speaker 18: it is supporting the doctrine, the Howard doctrine that said
23:35
Speaker 18: we will determine who comes to this country and the
23:38
Speaker 18: manner in which they come, and that means if they
23:41
Speaker 18: come the wrong way, they should be sent away. And
23:45
Speaker 18: it is a commitment to was groundbreaking internationally, groundbreaking when
23:50
Speaker 18: Howards set that principle in the wake of the Trump
23:55
Speaker 18: What was the name of the Tampa. Yeah, the Tampa
23:58
Speaker 18: that in fact has duck as part of our doctrine
24:02
Speaker 18: that has adhered to in this country. So for it
24:06
Speaker 18: to be trying to be painted in any other way,
24:08
Speaker 18: but upholding that doctrine and ensuring that we are looking
24:13
Speaker 18: after the safety of our people, that we should be
24:17
Speaker 18: paying attention to. That's how if it was for the
24:21
Speaker 18: reason of judicial activism. And the question is this government
24:26
Speaker 18: says we have the right to legislate to say they
24:30
Speaker 18: will go if they commit these crimes and have dual citizenship.
24:34
Speaker 18: Judges say no, that's our responsibility and we have the jurisdiction.
24:40
Speaker 18: That's how the Pacific solution arose because they were outside
24:44
Speaker 18: of the judicial jurisdiction. And that is exactly what Peter
24:49
Speaker 18: Duttlan is talking about.
24:51
Speaker 2: I mean, Steve, I don't know if the Australian public
24:54
Speaker 2: have the appetite for another referendum, but the concept, I
24:58
Speaker 2: can say cut goriically because you know, when we called
25:02
Speaker 2: for suggestions for anti Semitism crisis, we got about, I
25:05
Speaker 2: don't know, nearly a thousand emails, and so many of
25:09
Speaker 2: them were deport the anti Semites. You know, there would
25:12
Speaker 2: be definite public support for criminals who have another citizenship
25:18
Speaker 2: leaving Australia.
25:21
Speaker 17: Look, I mean, I'll get sick and tired of the
25:24
Speaker 17: government saying this is all about trump Ism. I'm okay, Well,
25:26
Speaker 17: if it's about trump Ism, I'll tell you what. Millions
25:29
Speaker 17: of Australians saw television pitches today of Donald Trump's government
25:34
Speaker 17: rounding up a bunch of dangerous murderers, raping Venezuelans and
25:39
Speaker 17: putting them on aircraft and flying them out of the country.
25:42
Speaker 17: They're parked in some third country halfway through and they're
25:45
Speaker 17: going to be not back in America, and the American
25:48
Speaker 17: people are saying, thank god, we've got rid of these people.
25:51
Speaker 17: We've never wanted them here in the first place. Australians
25:54
Speaker 17: want the same strong action. Why should we import criminal
25:58
Speaker 17: types into Australia. They come, they get dual citizenship and
26:01
Speaker 17: think that they can just break the law. We have
26:04
Speaker 17: a crime gang problem in Melbourne that is out of control.
26:08
Speaker 17: Home invasions, carthifts, people like that went into that bottle
26:12
Speaker 17: shop today. Not all of them, but some of them
26:15
Speaker 17: come from migrant families and they have no control over
26:18
Speaker 17: their children. They let them roam the streets in the
26:20
Speaker 17: middle of the night and people are terrified. They hear
26:23
Speaker 17: a noise in the front yard. They think they're going
26:26
Speaker 17: to have someone with a machete in their lounge group.
26:28
Speaker 17: It's got to stop. And the Victorian labor government's been pathetic.
26:32
Speaker 17: They're going to bring in new bail Law's guests when
26:33
Speaker 17: they're going to be enacted later in the year, why
26:36
Speaker 17: wouldn't it be next week. If you're going to stop
26:39
Speaker 17: the sale of machetes, do it today, don't do it
26:41
Speaker 17: in November.
26:43
Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent right.
26:45
Speaker 2: And this is where again this plays into the federal
26:48
Speaker 2: election issue. And it's probably why just very quick response
26:52
Speaker 2: bron when probably why Victoria will be quite a good
26:57
Speaker 2: state for the Coalition at the federal election.
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Speaker 18: I think that Victorians have suffered so much under such
27:04
Speaker 18: rotten state governments that they've seen that labor is bad
27:08
Speaker 18: for Victorians. And I think there is a change in attitude.
27:11
Speaker 18: And I do think that there is an awakening, shall
27:14
Speaker 18: we say, having been shut down under COVID, having been
27:18
Speaker 18: penalized left, right and center, with their police force seeming
27:21
Speaker 18: to be okay about arresting during COVID but not being
27:25
Speaker 18: able to control real crime, and allowing for drug injection
27:30
Speaker 18: rooms to be near schools, the whole box and guys,
27:32
Speaker 18: I think there is an awakening in Victoria that labor
27:36
Speaker 18: is not good for them.
27:36
Speaker 2: Awake for now, Awoke the woke an hour, awake, Steve
27:40
Speaker 2: Price Brow and Bishop apologies that it's a bit shot
27:42
Speaker 2: at tonight but great to have you on as always. Now,
27:46
Speaker 2: most commentators are predicting a minority Labor government at the
27:50
Speaker 2: federal election, but The Australian's chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers
27:54
Speaker 2: rites that as it stands, Dutton remains better placed than
27:57
Speaker 2: alban Easy to form a minority government. The Dutton pathway
28:01
Speaker 2: to victory is predicated on securing big swings in Labor
28:04
Speaker 2: and independent seats while fending off challenges in coalition territory,
28:08
Speaker 2: and Jeff Chambers joins me, now, Jeff, great to see
28:11
Speaker 2: you again. Look take us through Peter Dutton's path to
28:14
Speaker 2: victory here which seats will get in there?
28:19
Speaker 19: Hi, Sharry, so I just I wrote that piece a
28:22
Speaker 19: week ago, and as you know, a week is a
28:25
Speaker 19: long time in politics, and we've seen through both Newspoll
28:29
Speaker 19: and Freshwater that we are seeing that natural tightening around
28:33
Speaker 19: the poles, and there's multiple factors around that. So I
28:37
Speaker 19: think that the margin of error for Peter Dutton is
28:40
Speaker 19: very tight, but there certainly is a narrow path to victory.
28:45
Speaker 19: But in saying that a lot of things have to
28:47
Speaker 19: go right. I heard you talking earlier about Victoria. A
28:51
Speaker 19: big focus down in Victoria for the Liberal Party very
28:55
Speaker 19: optimistic that they can pick some seats up there like
28:58
Speaker 19: Aston Chisholm mckewen and potentially other seats there. But I
29:04
Speaker 19: think that the big state of New South Wales is
29:08
Speaker 19: where this election is one or lost. We've obviously got
29:11
Speaker 19: seats in Wa, Tasmania, Northern Territory, South Australia, handful in
29:15
Speaker 19: Queensland that'll be really important mathematically, but the big battle
29:21
Speaker 19: is in New South Wales and I think you know,
29:25
Speaker 19: Peter Dunton is fighting multiple fronts here, is fighting Labor,
29:30
Speaker 19: the Unions, Teals, the Greens, and in his own seat
29:34
Speaker 19: they're coming after him. He holds that tough seat of
29:37
Speaker 19: Dixon by a margin of one point seven percent, so
29:41
Speaker 19: there's a long way to go. Look on that talk
29:45
Speaker 19: about referendums putting aside the merit of that subject probably
29:50
Speaker 19: not something that in this part of the cycle you
29:54
Speaker 19: want to be talking about. But you know, I think
29:57
Speaker 19: heading into the budget week next week told that the
30:00
Speaker 19: work is done around policy and that they're ready to go,
30:04
Speaker 19: and I think that activity is going to pick up
30:07
Speaker 19: and a lot of his colleagues will be happy to
30:09
Speaker 19: start really having that contest of ideas.
30:13
Speaker 3: Just very quickly before you go.
30:15
Speaker 2: The Treasurer today blamed Trump, the cyclone, other overseas factors
30:21
Speaker 2: for you know how it's starting to impact here in
30:24
Speaker 2: terms of our growth forecasts, in terms of inflation, in
30:28
Speaker 2: terms of the.
30:28
Speaker 3: Budget bottom line.
30:30
Speaker 2: Do you think this sort of messaging will convince voters
30:35
Speaker 2: who are still hurting with the cost of living crisis.
30:40
Speaker 19: Look, I think with his fourth budget, which is the
30:43
Speaker 19: first time a Treasurer has handed down four budgets in
30:46
Speaker 19: a term since Ben Shiffley, Jim Charms will be hoping
30:50
Speaker 19: that he can use the budget as a platform and like,
30:54
Speaker 19: let's be real, this is updating forecasts, including some additional
30:58
Speaker 19: spends around cost of living. Probably not your typical fully
31:02
Speaker 19: fledged budget because it's a budget that many of them
31:05
Speaker 19: didn't think that they would hand down. In terms of
31:09
Speaker 19: talking about the doerm and gloom around the world, I
31:11
Speaker 19: don't think that it's necessarily untrue, but in terms of
31:16
Speaker 19: the actual impacts here and domestic homegrown inflation, these are
31:20
Speaker 19: challenges that can be met through your own actions. Here
31:25
Speaker 19: in Australia, economic growth is very, very flat, very paltry,
31:30
Speaker 19: So it wasn't surprising to see the OECD revised down
31:34
Speaker 19: Australia's economic growth forecast look choppy waters ahead. But I
31:38
Speaker 19: think that Jim Chalmers will be certainly hoping that he
31:42
Speaker 19: can use this as a launching pad to help Labor
31:45
Speaker 19: get over the line at the election.
31:47
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff Chambers, thank you so much for your
31:50
Speaker 2: time and your insights, and we'll read your work in
31:53
Speaker 2: The Australian as always. All Right, Still to come that
31:56
Speaker 2: explosive interview with the Greens where they effectively reveal Mark
32:00
Speaker 2: Speakman's comments as untrue.
32:02
Speaker 3: Plus the radio legend.
32:04
Speaker 2: Ray Hadley will weigh in on Alban Easy Speakman, the
32:07
Speaker 2: Greens Chris Bowen, he won't hold back. That's after this
32:10
Speaker 2: quick break. Welcome back. As I mentioned last week, every
32:17
Speaker 2: week until the federal election is held, Ray Hadley will
32:20
Speaker 2: join me here to talk about politics and I'm pleased
32:22
Speaker 2: to say he's here in studio now.
32:24
Speaker 3: Ray, great to see you again.
32:26
Speaker 1: It's lovely to be invited back.
32:27
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, honor to have you so. Ray.
32:30
Speaker 3: You heard what I had to say about Mark Speakman earlier.
32:33
Speaker 3: What do you think about this bloke?
32:34
Speaker 1: I don't think you were tough enough on him. Look,
32:38
Speaker 1: he is a complete nutter. Waste of space.
32:41
Speaker 20: When I was still on radio, I made the comment
32:43
Speaker 20: that he was the worst attorney general and that's a
32:45
Speaker 20: Melbourne cup field. He beat Bob Deavers and Greg Smith
32:48
Speaker 20: one Labor one liberal. He was a terrible Attorney general
32:51
Speaker 20: and I think it was just a matter of last
32:52
Speaker 20: man standing with all the drama that happened through the
32:56
Speaker 20: course of Mike Baird He's dumb greyhound decision, followed by
33:00
Speaker 20: glad Us filling in love with the wrong person, not
33:02
Speaker 20: telling anyone about it, and then poor old Don Perrete
33:04
Speaker 20: filling in and then there was no one left basically
33:07
Speaker 20: when they got a knocked over by Chris Mins. And
33:10
Speaker 20: about Men's I agree with you about leadership. I think
33:13
Speaker 20: that he's a politician. It doesn't matter with your Labor
33:16
Speaker 20: liberal or anywhere in between. He's a politician with conviction, yes,
33:20
Speaker 20: and we've been sadly lacking that conviction for a long
33:23
Speaker 20: long time. Certainly Mark Speakman has no conviction. It's a
33:26
Speaker 20: funny old world. I think that Mens would be better
33:29
Speaker 20: suited to be a liberal, right wing premier, and Speakman
33:32
Speaker 20: should be leading the Greens or the far left of
33:34
Speaker 20: the Labor Party. The problem is I don't think the
33:39
Speaker 20: next Liberal premier is in Parliament. I think Labor will
33:43
Speaker 20: win the next two terms. Men's mightn't be in charge.
33:46
Speaker 20: It's portrayed that Mens is.
33:47
Speaker 3: A Kelly Sloan. Not next time, but maybe the time after.
33:52
Speaker 20: Yeah, they won't get rid of Men's in one term.
33:55
Speaker 20: He'll be there for two terms, possibly three because a
33:57
Speaker 20: good premier. But the thing about Mens is and I
34:01
Speaker 20: like him as a man and as a premier, but
34:04
Speaker 20: his portrayed as a one man ban. He's got a
34:06
Speaker 20: very very good cabinet prew Carry's deputy brilliant, Ryan park Health, brilliant,
34:13
Speaker 20: Anelouk Chantelvong, brilliant, John Graham brigant. Put John to one side,
34:19
Speaker 20: but the rest could be premier in the future if
34:22
Speaker 20: he decides to step down and he tied. You go
34:24
Speaker 20: through the line, you go through the Liberal Party apart
34:26
Speaker 20: from Kelly. You told me one person who could be premier.
34:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think Chris Man's is so good. We
34:31
Speaker 2: need him in Canberra. We need him to take over
34:33
Speaker 2: from Albow instead of Chris Bowen. I mean, you know
34:36
Speaker 2: you're talking about how good the new Southel's Labor cabinet is.
34:39
Speaker 3: How bad is the federal labor Cabinet.
34:41
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, Tony Burke, Jason Clare, Albert Easy. You couldn't
34:47
Speaker 2: get a worse federal and they're all on TikTok doing
34:49
Speaker 2: this silly video.
34:50
Speaker 20: I mean retirement of the blood pressure has gone down
34:52
Speaker 20: since December thirteen.
34:53
Speaker 1: And sorry that Bowen.
34:56
Speaker 20: And I did get Peter Dutton on my last day
34:57
Speaker 20: to call him Casnova Bowen for the first of time.
35:00
Speaker 1: But the thing that I would say to you and
35:02
Speaker 1: to everyone wants.
35:03
Speaker 3: They were it a nickname for a lady.
35:05
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't do it in front of you, thank you.
35:07
Speaker 20: But there are plenty of blokes in pubs and clubs
35:09
Speaker 20: across Australia.
35:10
Speaker 1: You know why I call him gasnava bum. But anyway, the.
35:12
Speaker 20: Point being, if you reinstate, Anthony Alberanezi, it's a package deal.
35:18
Speaker 1: You get all the rest exactly. You know, you get,
35:20
Speaker 1: you get Burg.
35:21
Speaker 2: You might end up with Tony Burke, a's Prime minister,
35:23
Speaker 2: even because he's got leadership ambitions.
35:26
Speaker 20: I went up the Kopa Cabana on the weekend. By
35:28
Speaker 20: the way, Cheesey's a long way from the water up there, Elbow.
35:32
Speaker 1: I don't think he bought.
35:33
Speaker 3: Real Well, it's on the on the cliff. He's got
35:35
Speaker 3: to walk down the cliff.
35:36
Speaker 1: If you not up from a surf club.
35:37
Speaker 20: It's way way up. It's not sort of a walk
35:39
Speaker 20: where you could walk down to the beach, but you
35:41
Speaker 20: need to be a marathon runner. And gave back up
35:43
Speaker 20: the hill to get back to the hand.
35:45
Speaker 2: I guess it's good exercise exactly now.
35:47
Speaker 3: I want to ask you. I spoke to just Center
35:48
Speaker 3: Price on the program last night.
35:50
Speaker 2: She's, you know, wants to have this government efficiency kind
35:54
Speaker 2: of like a doze roll that Elon Musk is playing
35:57
Speaker 2: in the United States, and we spoke about some of
35:59
Speaker 2: the waste of federal guy money, you know, hundreds of
36:01
Speaker 2: thousand million dollars for decolonizing breastfeeding.
36:06
Speaker 3: Which is the most natural thing in the world.
36:09
Speaker 20: Anyone that's opposed to breastfeeding is a complete mark. I
36:13
Speaker 20: mean it is. It's a natural thing for a mother
36:16
Speaker 20: to do. Not all women can do it. You know,
36:18
Speaker 20: there are varying reasons. But those who wish to breastfeed,
36:22
Speaker 20: why we're going to decolonize them. I mean, look, just
36:26
Speaker 20: a side note, I was just doing a bit of
36:28
Speaker 20: thinking this after anyone I knew was coming on. And
36:29
Speaker 20: I think about the Voice referendum, and I think about
36:32
Speaker 20: the waste of money that you've mentioned there the NI
36:36
Speaker 20: double A. They wanted to have another body, which they
36:38
Speaker 20: didn't get the books. The NI double A has thirteen
36:42
Speaker 20: hundred employees. Of the thirteen hundred employees, eight hundred are
36:47
Speaker 20: in Canberra. Eight hundred. Now, that's not a waste of money.
36:51
Speaker 20: They should be in regional areas. And that's one of
36:54
Speaker 20: the things you said that would look at if elected
36:56
Speaker 20: to be the minister, she'd put those people in the
37:00
Speaker 20: right area. They're not going to solve any problems in Camber.
37:02
Speaker 20: They're not too many Indigenous problems in Canberra, apart from
37:05
Speaker 20: the odd protest.
37:06
Speaker 1: The problems are in.
37:06
Speaker 3: Rural areas about just enterprise.
37:09
Speaker 20: Oh, she is a fantastic woman, a fantastic.
37:12
Speaker 2: What about this story today with Chris Bowen that the
37:15
Speaker 2: AFP is going to fail to satisfy the green energy targets.
37:19
Speaker 3: It took to the last election.
37:20
Speaker 2: In fact, they've even deleted some of the modeling from
37:23
Speaker 2: the website.
37:24
Speaker 20: Well, I'm happy that he's been taking out of witness
37:26
Speaker 20: protection because I was concerned that he was hold up
37:29
Speaker 20: somewhere we'd never see him again. So he's back out.
37:32
Speaker 20: But it's the whole thing. He has stuffed up immigration,
37:36
Speaker 20: every portfolio he's got attached to he's stuffed up. And
37:39
Speaker 20: now he's stuffing up energy. And as I said to
37:41
Speaker 20: you last week, this nonsense, this pie in the sky
37:44
Speaker 20: stuff about wind farms off the coast of New South
37:48
Speaker 20: Wales at Port Stevens and Woollongong. Not even the people
37:52
Speaker 20: who were mildly interested from Europe intendering for it, they're
37:55
Speaker 20: no longer interested.
37:56
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden we're not talking about it anymore.
37:58
Speaker 20: And Peter doesn't put himself out there at Ports Stevens
38:00
Speaker 20: and Wollongong said no, you elect me, it's not going
38:02
Speaker 20: to happen. It is simply not going to happen. So look,
38:08
Speaker 20: he might get promoted if they get re elected. And
38:10
Speaker 20: I heard your comments earlier about exactly where they are.
38:15
Speaker 20: I think it's seventy seven fifty three. But the key
38:18
Speaker 20: to all that is there are six of the minor
38:20
Speaker 20: parties Catter and the like, but there's thirteen independent Charry, yeah,
38:25
Speaker 20: thirteen independent. I mean it's going to be very hard
38:28
Speaker 20: for Peter Dutton to win out right.
38:30
Speaker 1: And if there is to be.
38:32
Speaker 20: You know, a rob oakshot Tony Winter type spill, you
38:36
Speaker 20: can imagine how they'll be sited.
38:38
Speaker 2: They won't be Peter ut And I think the Tills
38:39
Speaker 2: need to come out and tell their electrics who they
38:41
Speaker 2: would be siding. We're going to hung Parliament because it's looking.
38:43
Speaker 3: That quote ray. So to raise your blood pressure, glad
38:46
Speaker 3: you're back.
38:47
Speaker 1: Well, I've got a week to recover so that I look.
38:49
Speaker 3: Forward to seeing you next Tuesday.
38:50
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
38:53
Speaker 2: All Right after the break, the Greens claim the antisemitism
38:55
Speaker 2: crisis is all confected.
38:58
Speaker 3: My interview coming up. Welcome back, well.
39:04
Speaker 2: To showcase just how ridiculous it is that a liberal
39:07
Speaker 2: opposition leader, Mike Speakman is working with the Greens to
39:11
Speaker 2: on an inquiry into these hate speech laws. Iviewed Greens
39:15
Speaker 2: MLC Sir Higginson. A little earlier, the New South Wales
39:20
Speaker 2: Coalition has said that it won't support repealing the hate
39:25
Speaker 2: speech laws. So did you work with the New Southwales
39:28
Speaker 2: Coalition directly to agree in terms of reference that was
39:32
Speaker 2: acceptable to both the Greens and the coalition.
39:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, in no uncertain terms.
39:38
Speaker 21: This is an inquiry to look at how these laws
39:41
Speaker 21: came about the processes that led up to the rushing
39:47
Speaker 21: of these laws through the Parliament.
39:49
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got to recall.
39:50
Speaker 21: We were forced to sit in the Upper House till
39:54
Speaker 21: four am the government lifted standing orders.
39:59
Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that in a moment, but
40:00
Speaker 2: I just want to get to the question on whether
40:03
Speaker 2: you worked with the coalition on the terms of reference.
40:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's what we do.
40:09
Speaker 21: If we are going into the Parliament with the terms
40:14
Speaker 21: of reference for a select committee, then it's important.
40:19
Speaker 4: That there is agreement on the terms of reference.
40:22
Speaker 21: And at the moment it appears that we have got
40:26
Speaker 21: an agreement to look into do.
40:28
Speaker 2: I say, can you say who in the New South
40:31
Speaker 2: I was coalition you dealt with?
40:33
Speaker 3: Was it Mark Speakman's office?
40:36
Speaker 21: Look, I don't I don't do the business of the coalition.
40:40
Speaker 21: There are you know, staffers who undertake those discussions with
40:46
Speaker 21: my office and we you know, look, parliamentary sitting days
40:50
Speaker 21: are busy days there. We are juggling several things at
40:53
Speaker 21: any one time.
40:55
Speaker 2: So it was a I understand start either for maybe
40:58
Speaker 2: Damien tudor Hope's offers who met with your staff member
41:01
Speaker 2: and negotiated the terms of reference?
41:04
Speaker 3: Is that right?
41:06
Speaker 21: Look, the reality of how we come to these is Yes,
41:10
Speaker 21: discussions happen, Documents get sent around, words get changed on
41:14
Speaker 21: those documents.
41:15
Speaker 4: I have no.
41:16
Speaker 21: Idea who in the coalition works and what the machinery
41:21
Speaker 21: of the coalition kind of functions like and how it works.
41:25
Speaker 4: So I just can't know who in the coalition has.
41:29
Speaker 21: Done this work to put forward the terms of reference
41:33
Speaker 21: that I have been working on. As far as I'm concerned,
41:36
Speaker 21: it's the coalition.
41:38
Speaker 2: Do you think the antisemitism crisis has been overstated?
41:42
Speaker 21: Well, what we know is that the case that was
41:46
Speaker 21: put to us by the government was a false premise.
41:51
Speaker 21: We know that the case involving Operation Perl, including the
41:57
Speaker 21: event at Dural, including other events that were put before
42:01
Speaker 21: us as the reason for the urgency for these laws
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Speaker 21: and for these particular laws. We know that case was
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Speaker 21: put to us on false pretenses. And that's a really
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Speaker 21: important issue when you are when.
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Speaker 2: You are we know now, we know now that anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism was a motivating factor behind these incidents, and of
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Speaker 2: course they were anti Semitic incidents.
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Speaker 3: They targeted a.
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Speaker 2: Synagogue, a preschool adjacent to a synagogue, was firebombed, there
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Speaker 2: were cars vandalized, swastikas sprawled on cars on Jewish property.
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Speaker 3: So do you admit that this was anti semitism?
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Speaker 21: With respect, Shari, My job is to look at the
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Speaker 21: evidence and what we know is Deputy Commissioner David Hudson
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Speaker 21: Police Deputy Commissioner, one of the most expert police officers
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Speaker 21: in this state when it comes to counter terrorism and
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Speaker 21: these kind of offenses. He gave evidence in the Parliamentary
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Speaker 21: Budget Estimate session that these events were as part of
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Speaker 21: a criminal enterprise that was not motivated.
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Speaker 2: Well, he actually said in the budget estimates, and we've
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Speaker 2: played the clips on the program, he actually said in
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Speaker 2: the budget estimates that he wasn't aware of the motivating
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Speaker 2: factor because it was the Australian Federal Police that handled
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Speaker 2: the informant. But even looking at the attacks, a fire
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Speaker 2: bombing of a preschool adjacent to a synagogue, as an
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Speaker 2: attempt on Newtown's synagogue, how can you say those aren't
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic incidents?
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Speaker 21: These events were no doubt offensive, They were brutally awful,
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Speaker 21: they were deeply.
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Speaker 3: They were anti submitted. They weren't anti Semitic.
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Speaker 21: They were opportunistic, criminal activities in order to obtain a benefit.
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Speaker 2: So were you saying an arson attempt on a city
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Speaker 2: is not anti semitism? Are you saying an arson attempt
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Speaker 2: on a synagogue is not anti Semitism?
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Speaker 4: I am saying what the police have told us.
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Speaker 21: What I am saying is crime can be and does
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Speaker 21: have complex factors involved in Why.
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Speaker 2: So the Men's governments, the Men's government's laws targeting hate
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Speaker 2: speech were unrelated to these incidents that you're talking about.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This is toughening laws so that police can take action
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Speaker 2: against hate preachers who've been demonizing the Jewish people, so
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Speaker 2: they can take action against hateful remarks made by pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters.
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Speaker 3: Do you admit those laws are needed?
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Speaker 21: What I'm going to say again is that the experts,
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Speaker 21: including the Law Reform Commission, including all those civil society
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Speaker 21: legal bodies in learning, many of the peak faith organizations, these.
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Speaker 4: Are not the laws they wanted and not the laws
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Speaker 4: they asked for.
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Speaker 2: But I'm asking about you. You've used, You've claimed that
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Speaker 2: attacks on the Jewish community property aren't our disemitism.
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Speaker 3: They are unrelated.
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Speaker 2: They are unrelated to the laws that the Men's government
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Speaker 2: introduced hate speech laws Another set of laws was ban
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Speaker 2: on protests outside synagogues and places of worship.
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Speaker 3: Do you agree with.
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Speaker 2: The pro Palestinian activists who want to be able to
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Speaker 2: attack Jews outside synagogues?
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Speaker 4: Charie?
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Speaker 21: What I want is really good sound laws on our
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Speaker 21: law books made for proper purposes, not political opportunity. And
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Speaker 21: what I want is a society that has a system
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Speaker 21: in this state, that has the best system of addressing And.
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Speaker 3: I just want to specifically ask you about this law.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about this law. We're not
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Speaker 3: answering the question.
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Speaker 2: This law or the Palestinian Action Group claims they should
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Speaker 2: be able to protest outside of synagogues.
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Speaker 3: Do you agree with them?
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Speaker 21: I believe and I absolutely stand side to side with
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Speaker 21: the Palestinian Action Group right now in their constant.
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Speaker 2: They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.
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Speaker 21: I absolutely stand with them because I think the.
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Speaker 2: War should they be able to harass Jews outside of
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Speaker 2: a place of worship that has nothing to do with
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Speaker 2: the Middle East and is only about Judaism.
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Speaker 21: Chari, this is about all places of worship. The laws
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Speaker 21: the means government introduced.
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Speaker 2: We're not seeing protests outside of any other places of worship.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing pro Palestinian activists outside synagogues. We saw Jews
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Speaker 2: going to lockdown at the Great Synagogue because there were
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Speaker 2: a rabid group of pro Palestinians outside. Why should they
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Speaker 2: be able to terrorize Jews outside.
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Speaker 4: Of You're going off topic.
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Speaker 3: That is basically no, you are this is the reason
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Speaker 3: for these laws. This is no reason for these.
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Speaker 4: Laws, Okay, Schari. Seriously, there are good reasons.
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Speaker 21: Why people should be able to, from time to time
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Speaker 21: protest near places of worship.
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Speaker 4: We have seen this when it comes to the Catholic.
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Speaker 21: Church and when it came to systemic abuse on victims
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Speaker 21: by the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 4: Those protests that took.
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Speaker 21: Place over years and years were really fundamental in delivering
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Speaker 21: justice in New South Wales to the victims of institutional
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Speaker 21: abuse perpetrated by the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 2: All Right, the protests can happen elsewhere, not outside of
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Speaker 2: a place of worship.
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Speaker 3: But we're running out of time, So I just want
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Speaker 3: to ask you for is it the case? Is it
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Speaker 3: the case the.
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Speaker 2: New one't other groups like LGBTQI to be included in
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Speaker 2: these hate speech laws to band speech that's offensive to them?
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Speaker 4: What I said shari is.
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Speaker 21: I would like this state, and I believe this state
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Speaker 21: deserves a system that actually addresses all forms of racism,
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Speaker 21: hatred and discrimination.
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Speaker 4: I think we deserve that. We are literally on the
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Speaker 4: premise of.
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Speaker 21: The Law Reform Commission delivering its report on how best
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Speaker 21: to have this system in New South Wales.
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Speaker 4: Memes has just made a mess, that's what he has done.
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Speaker 21: He's come in to the Parliament, his rush laws on
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Speaker 21: false pretenses, made a mess of the law books, and
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Speaker 21: we want to just inquire into how the heck this
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Speaker 21: happened here in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: We're out of time, so he can appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Now, I wouldn't normally have the
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Speaker 2: Greens on the show. I only did that to show
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Speaker 2: how ludicrous it is that Mark Speakman is working with
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Speaker 2: them on this inquiry. All right, after the break, my
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Speaker 2: final thought on the latest Israel strikes.
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Speaker 3: That's in a minute, all right.
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Speaker 2: The two months cease fire between Israel and Hamas has ended,
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Speaker 2: and Israel's defense for US have conducted extensive strikes in
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Speaker 2: on Harmas targets in the Gaza Strip. Now, Benjaminette Yaho
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Speaker 2: has made clear that Hamas has refused all hostage deal offers,
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Speaker 2: and there are still hostages who are living in the
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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip and they're being held captive. The White House
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Speaker 2: unequivocally backed in Israel.
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Speaker 3: Today. Here was Carolyn Levitt.
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Speaker 22: The Trump administration and the White House were consulted by
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Speaker 22: the Israelis on their attacks in Gaza tonight. And as
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Speaker 22: President Trump has made it clear hamas the houthis Ran,
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Speaker 22: all those who seek to terrorize not just Israel but
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Speaker 22: also the United States of America will see a price
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Speaker 22: to pay.
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Speaker 3: All hell will break loose. On that note, here's Paul
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Speaker 3: Mara