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Sean Mooney on recaps the Runnin Utes season, Utah St keeping it rolling, Reaction to March Madness opening weekend + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: Sean Mooney joining us here.
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  Speaker 2: Before I get to Sean Mooney though, James, I, we
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  Speaker 2: It was James Peterson. I called the rocks on the
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  Speaker 2: Awesome Sean Like, Hey, this is JAMESSPT seven.
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  Speaker 3: I like, James, you called the roll.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm looking down and you're like probably staring right
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  Speaker 2: We're lucky enough though, to have our the actual guest
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  Speaker 2: we were targeting Sean Mooney. So now you've got two
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  Speaker 2: walk Shawns, which of course is what happens when Sean
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell and Sean Mooney are on radio together.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Sean, Hey, in Jamee's defense, I can't understand why
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  Speaker 5: he would do that, right, So number one, my fellow
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  Speaker 5: walk Seawan, you're smarter and better looking.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And maybe his tone just accidentally directed us with you
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  Speaker 5: because they wanted someone on your show that wasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 5: so tall and kind of homely.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that those comparisons are part of James's phone,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think those are accurate assessments of our
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  Speaker 2: differences in similar to Sean, But I appreciate you trying
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  Speaker 2: to be humble about it.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, AI can new incredible?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Let's talk a little hope, Sean Mooney. You know,
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  Speaker 2: since the last time we spoke, obviously, Big twelve Tournament
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  Speaker 2: and Utah's run in this first season under Alex Jensen
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  Speaker 2: officially came to an end. And look, none of us
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  Speaker 2: were surprised to see Utah kind of go down the
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  Speaker 2: way that it did in that Big twelve Tournament. Given
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  Speaker 2: the strength of the conference and the opponents that you
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  Speaker 2: had to deal with and things like that. But now
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  Speaker 2: that there's been a little bit of time to process,
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  Speaker 2: if you can put a bow on it, if you
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  Speaker 2: can post mortem the first season under Alex Jensen, how
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  Speaker 2: do you characterize it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you meant to say post mortem,
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  Speaker 5: but I have to say I think that's correct. I
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  Speaker 5: think gence it would build the same way. You know,
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  Speaker 5: twenty three losses for any team at any level, regardless
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  Speaker 5: of how good the level, is not something that probably
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  Speaker 5: many coaches would be excited about. I know he's not.
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  Speaker 5: I know that they're working diligently to try and find
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  Speaker 5: a formula that works. I think now they understand. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think that our formula was that far off. I
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  Speaker 5: think we were competitive in a lot of games, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, the unfortunate thing is being competitive in the
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  Speaker 5: Big twelve makes you a pretty darn good team even
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  Speaker 5: if you have those losses, but it doesn't get you
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  Speaker 5: to the NCAA tournament. You got to be good and
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  Speaker 5: even better than good to win at a level where
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  Speaker 5: you can make the tournament in the Big twelve.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously we hope for better things onward and upward
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  Speaker 2: for Utah basketball, and the expectations were relatively low for
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  Speaker 2: this first season.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted to see growth.
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  Speaker 2: We want to see some installation of a new culture
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  Speaker 2: and things like that, and we'll let other people have
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  Speaker 2: the debate about whether that was a success or not.
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  Speaker 2: But you turn the focus to teams like Kansas, like BYU,
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech was plagued by some injuries. You know, these
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  Speaker 2: are all teams with the talent and with the resources
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  Speaker 2: and in some cases with the coaching and the history
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  Speaker 2: to where you know, not making it to the sweet
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  Speaker 2: sixteen is is a big time disappointment. And when you
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  Speaker 2: look at we'll start with BYU for obvious reasons, when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the way their season worked out and
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  Speaker 2: all of the context behind it. If you're talking to
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  Speaker 2: your BYU friends, if you're talking to you know, the
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  Speaker 2: guys you used to play against, what is the reaction
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  Speaker 2: and what is the appropriate reaction right now to BYU's
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  Speaker 2: early exit given everything that was you know, going for
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  Speaker 2: them and then the things that worked against them as
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  Speaker 2: the season progressed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Sean, I just had the luxury of spending time
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  Speaker 5: with Jeff Judsons, whom you know he was my coach
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  Speaker 5: when I when I was at University of Utah, and
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  Speaker 5: then he coached at Utah obviously and then at BYU
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  Speaker 5: for a long time, and I think this is right.
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  Speaker 5: He just had this thing and we were talking about
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  Speaker 5: the UYU specifically, so shout out to Jetty. His women's
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  Speaker 5: teams were twenty. I think this is right. They were
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  Speaker 5: always in the top twenty in defensive deliber centage. The
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  Speaker 5: one thing you knew that you could hang your hat
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  Speaker 5: on was defense, and I think ultimately that's what you
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  Speaker 5: got to talk about when you talk about UYU this year. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: Dawstain Baker going down was big, Richie Saunders more of
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  Speaker 5: a blue person than we even knew. They really didn't
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  Speaker 5: have a backup point guard. In my opinion, down Hall
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  Speaker 5: would have been that person if he had been there.
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  Speaker 5: But they weren't very good defensively. And even you know,
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  Speaker 5: with rgub maybe the best player in the country ag Donta,
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  Speaker 5: you got to be better defensively. And it wasn't that
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  Speaker 5: he was about one on one defender. He was good
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  Speaker 5: just as the team. I think that's really when you
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  Speaker 5: end up talking about this season. That was the that
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  Speaker 5: was the difference regardless of the injuries. Injuries number one,
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  Speaker 5: but the defense was number two A or one A
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  Speaker 5: one B.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think not BYU?
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  Speaker 2: And then we've had some version of this conversation before,
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  Speaker 2: But do you think that there's an alteration of philosophy, planning,
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  Speaker 2: whatever when you kind of throw all your chips to
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  Speaker 2: the center of the table, at least in one way
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't work out, do you have to then
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  Speaker 2: re evaluate your strategy on roster construction, on recruitment if
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  Speaker 2: you'r BYU specifically, because the conversations I've had down there,
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  Speaker 2: there's not going to be a lack of resources like that.
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  Speaker 2: People are not going to say, oh, it didn't work
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  Speaker 2: out with AJ, Well never mind, we're not doing this again.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think you can keep doing the same
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  Speaker 2: thing over and over and expect a different result.
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  Speaker 3: That's the old insanity analogy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and I mean I think that to me, Well,
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  Speaker 5: I think they have what Brant, a kid named Brant
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  Speaker 5: coming in who's maybe six in the country, So they've
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  Speaker 5: got another kid who could be a high level you know,
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  Speaker 5: possibly even an NBA player. But I think absolutely on
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  Speaker 5: every single year, if you're a coach, you're reevaluating even
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  Speaker 5: the good years. I mean, so I think you should.
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  Speaker 5: I would be reevaluating. And I personally think the most
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  Speaker 5: successful coaches are the most humble. They don't think they
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  Speaker 5: know everything and they don't think that what they're doing
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  Speaker 5: is necturally the only way to do it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think you definitely reevaluate. And you look at and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people talk about roster construction, and obviously.
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  Speaker 6: Kevin Young knows exactly what he needs to do.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's been in the Big twelve now two
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  Speaker 5: years in a row, and they've kind of had a
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  Speaker 5: little different look each year. And for the fans that
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  Speaker 5: don't like what happened this year, in my goodness.
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  Speaker 6: I want to remind them that they have a heck
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  Speaker 6: of a.
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  Speaker 5: Generational player that they got to watch. And now I
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  Speaker 5: understand that they want to seem the team do better,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't want to steer the show. But at
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  Speaker 5: some point, Sean, we got to talk about Utah State too,
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  Speaker 5: because they're special, and I know you believe that maybe
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's a team we should talk about here
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  Speaker 5: in Utah who arguably over the last twenty years twenty
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  Speaker 5: five years, has been the best team in the seat.
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  Speaker 5: I think fifteen or their twenty six nca appearances have
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  Speaker 5: occurred since two thousand.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out how they do it.
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  Speaker 2: And I've asked I mean, I've asked coaches up there,
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  Speaker 2: I've asked athletic directors up there, I've asked players, like
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  Speaker 2: when there is constant turnover and you are now with
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  Speaker 2: the model of college basketball what it is, You're like,
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  Speaker 2: you're a transitional stop for a lot of people, players
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  Speaker 2: and coaches. How are they so good continuously? And you
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of shrugs and half smiles and chuckles
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  Speaker 2: and hey, we love basketball up here. Obviously the environment
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  Speaker 2: is fantastic, but that can't explain all of it. So
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  Speaker 2: you're much more dialed in and you're much more of
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  Speaker 2: a basketball expert that I'll ever be, Like, can you
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  Speaker 2: explain how Utah State has been able to be consistent
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  Speaker 2: with its results despite a lot of inconsistency with who
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  Speaker 2: is giving us those results?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so yeah, I think this is my opinion. Obviously.
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  Speaker 5: I first of all, I got to give a shout
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  Speaker 5: out to my dad, Shawn jack Suitcase Mooney. He played
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  Speaker 5: football there and saw him and Aggie at part he's
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  Speaker 5: listening right now. The Utah State, I think what they've
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  Speaker 5: done is they haven't won the press conference once with
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  Speaker 5: their coach. I think they've really gone after a coach
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  Speaker 5: that they think can coach basketball. And I think the
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  Speaker 5: people in charge up there know what that means. And
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  Speaker 5: I think it starts on the defensive end, like Calhoun.
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  Speaker 5: If you just watched this Utah State team, they went
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  Speaker 5: toe to toe with Arizona. I mean they're defensively, they're good,
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  Speaker 5: and I think most of the teams they've had over
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  Speaker 5: the last twenty twenty five years have started with that.
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  Speaker 5: But I would say that their administration and the people
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  Speaker 5: that know, the donors that know, and there's one in
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  Speaker 5: particular I've had a chance to talk to, they understand basketball,
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  Speaker 5: and they look at a coach's resume and they understand
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  Speaker 5: who they're hiring because they're obviously very really good coaches.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look what Ryan Odam did at Virginia, and
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  Speaker 5: that list goes on.
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  Speaker 2: Are they going to have to build a fence around
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  Speaker 2: Jared Calhoun? I mean there's a bunch of teams that
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  Speaker 2: are in flux now right and it's you're getting You're
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  Speaker 2: getting reports that Cincinnati is is after coach Calhoun right now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, can you keep a guy like him for
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  Speaker 3: even another year?
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  Speaker 5: Man? I think Cincinnati has already filled their their their
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  Speaker 5: coaching position, but there are others in the Big twelve
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  Speaker 5: that have not. We know Arizona State, and I mean
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  Speaker 5: everything I've heard, I don't know coach Calhoun at all.
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  Speaker 5: I do know one of his coaches, Kerrent Walsh, who
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  Speaker 5: was our DBO Utah under Craig Smith. And I really
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  Speaker 5: like Kern. And I know a little bit about Utah
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  Speaker 5: State because I've got some connection to what we call
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  Speaker 5: the Utah State Mafia in my own business. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if he decides coach Coach Calhoun decides that
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  Speaker 5: his quality of life is in a place where he
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  Speaker 5: likes it. Obviously, the Spectrum is a special a place
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  Speaker 5: to play in the country as there is. Those fans
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  Speaker 5: are as good as they get. The students come to
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  Speaker 5: all the games. Look at what they took on the road.
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  Speaker 5: I mean they were as loud as Arizona. And that's
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  Speaker 5: saying something. You got to build a French don and
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  Speaker 5: I how to electrify it. I don't know what it
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  Speaker 5: looks like, but yeah, he's a hot commodity. I hope
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  Speaker 5: he stays. I mean, I want us to play Utah
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  Speaker 5: State every year. I understand that that may not be
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  Speaker 5: a win win proposition for University of Utah, but I
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  Speaker 5: love the good old days when we played Weavers State
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  Speaker 5: in Utah. Stay in southern Utah, and we should be
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  Speaker 5: playing I think that's Todd Phillips, that's right. UVU Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they should have been in the tournament if it hadn't
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  Speaker 5: been for Dominique Daniels and Cal Baptist with an unbelievable effort.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Mooney is our guess for a few more minutes
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  Speaker 2: here on the Sean O'Connell show, talking all things college hoop.
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  Speaker 2: And look, we're in March badness, right, and uh, there
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  Speaker 2: are people. There's people trying to say Cinderell is dead,
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  Speaker 2: people talking about what it means that, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: nil and transfer portal has affected not only the landscape
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  Speaker 2: of college basketball, but specifically this kind of like protracted
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  Speaker 2: national holiday where we all dial in on college hoops together.
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  Speaker 2: And I wanted your thoughts on that because like, look,
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  Speaker 2: there's not a true Cinderella in this year's Sweet sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: and it's easy to overreact in a moment, but it
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  Speaker 2: does appear to be trending in a direction that's going
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  Speaker 2: to make those true Cinderellas fewer and further between.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean when we look at number eleven, Texas
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  Speaker 5: and we call them a Cinderella, obviously they had a
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  Speaker 5: bad end to their sec but they's Hill Texas. And
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  Speaker 5: then we look at Iowa, number nine, Iowa. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they're may be the closest thing to Cinderella, and they're
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  Speaker 5: playing arguably another Cinderella in Nebraska who hasn't got out
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  Speaker 5: of the first round. But traditionally none of those teams
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  Speaker 5: will be call a cinder Iowa.
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  Speaker 6: They've got a great story.
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  Speaker 5: McCollum as a coach who was coaching at the D
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  Speaker 5: two level then took over for Debes a Drake, and
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  Speaker 5: then he's got three or four players or playing the
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  Speaker 5: D two level playing on his team, and maybe one
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  Speaker 5: of the best point guards. But yeah, Sean, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think you can argue. The last couple of years,
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  Speaker 5: it looks more chalking, meaning that the teams that are
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  Speaker 5: supposed to win are winning. So it's tough man, I
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  Speaker 5: mean Texas and in Iowa are Cinderella's right now?
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  Speaker 6: In this Sweek sixteen, I want.
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  Speaker 2: To ask you something very specific to the Saint John's
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  Speaker 2: game yesterday. You put in you know whatever, fifteen eighteen, ten,
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes in a game, and you don't get a
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  Speaker 2: hoop at all. You don't get a bucket that entire time.
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  Speaker 2: And then when it's all on the line and the
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  Speaker 2: balls in your can you articulate for me as a player,
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  Speaker 2: how difficult it is to make that play, to make
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  Speaker 2: the only two points of your stat sheet in that
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  Speaker 2: game be the most important points of the entire game.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we saw in the Saint John's game.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So so the relicious that don't know Dylan Darling
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  Speaker 5: is the point guard that Sean O'Connell's referring to. And
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  Speaker 5: he was strapping him up at Idaho State in Pocatello,
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  Speaker 5: it's a couple hours north of Salt Lake City for
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  Speaker 5: youa Slate City listeners. And yeah, he hit the biggest
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  Speaker 5: shot of his career. And Sean, here's maybe what it was,
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  Speaker 5: the element of surprise. I'm sure Kansas was defending every
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  Speaker 5: other action. And how about Dylan Darling getting his body
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  Speaker 5: into a much longer defender and finishing and acting like
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  Speaker 5: he'd been there all along. It was amazing. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that's a moment right there.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 5: Saint John's not Cinderella, but that's a Cinderella story, and
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  Speaker 5: it's fun to see and hear about the mid major
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  Speaker 5: kids who have success.
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  Speaker 2: So I already asked Ari Tempkin this question today, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to pass it to you as well. If you
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  Speaker 2: have to put all your eggs in the basket of
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  Speaker 2: one of the remaining Big twelve teams, who do you
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  Speaker 2: believe in most?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Arizona is the best team remaining, and I
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  Speaker 5: always state it's a close second for me.
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  Speaker 2: What makes We saw Arizona against Utah State obviously yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and their size and their length were problematic for the Aggies.
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  Speaker 2: Is that going to be the case even when we
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  Speaker 2: get Sweet sixteen, Elite eight, Final four, et cetera.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's going to be. It's absolutely going
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  Speaker 5: to be the case. I mean, they just they have
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  Speaker 5: on so many levels. They probably have four NBA players
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  Speaker 5: on that team, and then they've got arguably the big
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  Speaker 5: toel player of the year, Jean and Bradley. They've got a
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  Speaker 5: senior guard and you saw what he did at the
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  Speaker 5: end of that game. A couple of those shots he
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  Speaker 5: made were just stupid. I mean, Utah State played incredibly well.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, if I leave you sent out
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  Speaker 5: of this conversation, I'm just an idiot as a basketball
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  Speaker 5: analyst because Emmanuel Sharp and that team very easily could
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  Speaker 5: do something that they didn't do last year, and they
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  Speaker 5: could surprise their everyone and not everyone. They could surprise
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: people and finish the season. And I wouldn't be surprised
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: to see an Emmanuel Sharp as the final four MVP.
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  Speaker 3: Is Bill self coming back at Kansas?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you should be asking Bill Riley that question, not
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: that he has an inside track. We were in Bill's
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: office Bill Bill Riley, my partner by radio partner. I'm
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: a sidekick. He got us an after the game kind
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: of we got to go through everything and that place
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: is amazing and we kind of snuck into Bill's South's area.
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  Speaker 5: And I will say this, I think this team he
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: really liked. This team really got along well. They had
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: good chemistry. But I think he's tired and he should be.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: He's been doing it for a long time. My heart
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: says yes, he's coming back. My mind says no.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, So we spent probably too much time on the show,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: even when you visited us, talking about, you know the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: problematic nature of Darren Peterson's season for Kansas, and that
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: might be one of the things that makes a coach tired.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I think Bill self managed it as well as you
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: possibly can. And there was conversation like I but this,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you know, this is a lottery draft pick. Watch what
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: he's gonna do. He's gonna flip the switch. He's gonna
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: turn it on in the NCAA tournament. And I'm a
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: believer that as an athlete you can't actually do that
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: like that. You're you don't just get an extra ten
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: percent out of bad habits or whatever.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: But did he help or hurt himself in the tournament?
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think he helped himself, But I
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: think the article in the Athletic, which I mean you
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: may have read, really shed light onto what's going on
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: with him. And he had a unique circumstance this year.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: And I think when he was a prolific and NAPA
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: as a high school player, there was no question he
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: was the best player. But I would say didn't help him.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: You know, he looked not one hundred percent still, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I think that's gonna speak volumes.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: But I think.
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  Speaker 5: Everything I've heard about him, like what I read on
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the Athletic was the heal it hangs out with the managers,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: and I think that's genuine. And he's a very kind person.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: And so from a bringing a person on that seems
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: to be kind towards other people and obviously has a
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: lot of athletic talent that can be a win win
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: because if he gets healthy, you know, who knows. Apparently
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: the sky is the limit for him. But I don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: think it helped him.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Shawn, I always appreciate you lending your basketball expertise to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for stopping by.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Thanks shawna Co. I'm glad you had a vacation. Have
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: a good week this week, brother.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: You too. That's Sean Mooney