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The Kenny Report | 31 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: As the fuel crisis continues to play out across the
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  Speaker 3: nation and in Federal Parliament, the Prime Minister has had
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  Speaker 3: to respond to his own party's plan to increase the
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  Speaker 3: size of Parliament. Labor politicians have been pushing for more
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  Speaker 3: MPs in Canberra. Labour's social media band for teenagers just
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  Speaker 3: isn't working because the kids are getting around it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say we didn't warn you.
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  Speaker 3: We hear from Israel's new ambassador to Australia as more
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  Speaker 3: anti Semitism rears its ugly head. I'll speak with former
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  Speaker 3: Australian Ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, it's the last day on the.
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  Speaker 3: Payroll for Australia's best known and perhaps least loved ambassador.
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  Speaker 3: All that plus Kristen Tate, Tim Blairsusi O'Brien and Steven.
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  Speaker 1: Senna Tiempo, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: With the fuel crisis still the talk of the country,
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  Speaker 3: fears that petrol stations might not pass on the excise
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  Speaker 3: cut in time for Easter travel, and concerns the extra
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  Speaker 3: government spending will only fuel inflation and more interest rate rises. Well,
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  Speaker 3: with all that going on, what have some members of
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  Speaker 3: the Albanese labor government been focused on. Well, they've been
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  Speaker 3: pushing to increase the number of federal politicians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most over governed nations in the world
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  Speaker 3: with three levels of politician local, state and federal, and
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  Speaker 3: labor wants even more polleys.
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  Speaker 4: In Canberra, the populations almost doubled, but the representation has
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  Speaker 4: largely stayed the same. To go back earlier than that, chiefly,
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  Speaker 4: Ben Chiefly increased the size of the parliament in the
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  Speaker 4: nineteen forty so roughly every forty years there's been a
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  Speaker 4: re evaluation of representation. Increasing the size of parliament is
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  Speaker 4: what great labor leaders do.
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  Speaker 3: Great labor leaders, Well, I'll give him Ben Chifflee because
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  Speaker 3: he was a train driver before he was a politician
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  Speaker 3: and he did his best in.
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  Speaker 1: The war years.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll give him Bob Hawk to increased the size
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  Speaker 3: of the parliament. But he understood the economy and improved
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  Speaker 3: the nation. But I don't think anyone would seriously propose
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberzi as a great labor leader anyway. The point
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  Speaker 3: is we need fewer politicians, not more. The labor plan
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  Speaker 3: is for twenty four more members of the lower House
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  Speaker 3: and fourteen extra senators.
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  Speaker 1: This is madness.
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  Speaker 3: More politicians sounds like a problem rather than a solution.
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  Speaker 3: The Parliamentary Budget Office says it had cost six hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty million.
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  Speaker 1: Dollars over the next decade.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, I guess Alberzi answered the question about whether he's
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  Speaker 3: a great laborer because at the first sign of grapeshot
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  Speaker 3: over this proposal, he dropped the idea faster than a
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  Speaker 3: politician would sign up for free travel at.
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  Speaker 2: A time of crisis.
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  Speaker 5: Will the Prime Minister rule out putting upward pressure on
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  Speaker 5: inflation by.
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  Speaker 6: Choosing to spend more than six hundred million dollars on
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  Speaker 6: more politicians.
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  Speaker 7: Let me make this as clear as I possibly can.
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  Speaker 7: I am more than satisfied with both the number of
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  Speaker 7: members of the House of Representatives and their composition.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. It's not going to go much further
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  Speaker 1: for now.
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  Speaker 3: But we've got to come back to this because this
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  Speaker 3: idea of expanding our parliament won't go away, and in
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  Speaker 3: my view, the best and most plausible reform we could
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  Speaker 3: make to Parliament would be to reduce the size of
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  Speaker 3: the Senate to make it more workable, unless, like that
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  Speaker 3: bar in Star Wars, we need a referendum to change
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  Speaker 3: the rules.
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  Speaker 1: But we'd be far more.
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  Speaker 3: Governable with a significantly smaller Senate, say.
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  Speaker 1: Six per state instead of twelve. That would be plenty.
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  Speaker 3: After all, the Americans get by with two, and the
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  Speaker 3: fewer you have, the fewer lunatics ended up end up
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  Speaker 3: getting elected to the Senate. Good idea, isn't it? But
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  Speaker 3: there's one big problem with my smaller Senate plan. It'd
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  Speaker 3: never get through the Senate at a time of global
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  Speaker 3: conflict and with the US relationship in a difficult place,
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  Speaker 3: after Anthony Albanez he refused one US military request a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years back, and after Donald Trump singled out
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  Speaker 3: Australia as a laggard over the current war.
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  Speaker 1: Well, with all that going on.
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  Speaker 3: Today is a good day for Australia. It's Kevin Rudd's
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  Speaker 3: last day as our ambassador in Washington. He finishes up
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  Speaker 3: after he finishes up, actually a year early, after fighting
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  Speaker 3: to established decent relations with the Trump administration, something that
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  Speaker 3: was always going to be a problem, which is why
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  Speaker 3: I called out this as a bad mistake. Disappointment by
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  Speaker 3: Alban easy right at the outset.
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  Speaker 7: Kevin Rudd will bring to the US ambassadorship a great
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  Speaker 7: deal of experience and of course knowledge in international affairs,
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  Speaker 7: not just as a former Prime Minister, but a former
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  Speaker 7: foreign minister and the current head of the Asia Society.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm, Kevin Rud, Hay, that could end in tears.
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  Speaker 3: Sadly We'll hear more from our man in Washington, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm tipping it won't be smooth sailing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure did end in tears.
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  Speaker 3: Albo and Rudd clearly didn't think that Trump would win
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  Speaker 3: because the former PM carried a lot of anti Trump baggage.
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  Speaker 6: Who could believe our luck that this madman called Trump
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  Speaker 6: could have been elected?
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  Speaker 3: The United States in the last four years has been
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  Speaker 3: run by a village idiot.
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  Speaker 2: During the craziness the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 8: And get the president to behave like a responsible grown up,
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  Speaker 8: and so far he's not done that.
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  Speaker 1: But the underpinnings of it was still incoherent because Trump
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  Speaker 1: himself was incoherent.
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  Speaker 3: What a diplomat a little wonder Trump wouldn't give him
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  Speaker 3: the time of day, as our own Andrew Clanel demonstrated.
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  Speaker 6: Even things the ambassador said about you in the past
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  Speaker 6: he's strained. Ambassador.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know anything about him. And he said bad,
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  Speaker 9: then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know.
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  Speaker 9: Did an ambassador to say something bad about it? Don't
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  Speaker 9: tell me where is he? Is he still working for? Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: you said bad.
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  Speaker 1: Before I took this positions to prison.
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  Speaker 9: I don't like you either, and probably never will.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well.
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  Speaker 3: Just a few months later, Rudd's premature resignation was announced.
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  Speaker 1: Watch how the ABC reported it.
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  Speaker 10: Kevin Rudd, the Australia's Ambassador to the US, has announced
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  Speaker 10: that he will be stepping down from his role in
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  Speaker 10: Washington on the March thirty first, at the end of March.
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  Speaker 10: It comes a year before he was scheduled to wrap
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  Speaker 10: up his tenure. The Prime Minister says that Kevin Rudd
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  Speaker 10: has taken up a new position as Global President of
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  Speaker 10: the Asia Society.
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  Speaker 1: A new position.
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  Speaker 3: It was his old job with the Asia Society. He's
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  Speaker 3: their announcement, Kevin Rudd, the Australian Ambassador to the US,
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  Speaker 3: will return to lead the Asia Society and head up
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  Speaker 3: its policy Institute and further down, It noted that Rudd
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  Speaker 3: had headed the Asia Society and its Policy Institute right
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  Speaker 3: up until he was appointed ambassador to the US in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Yeah, some in labor and the media
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  Speaker 3: were trying to suggest that Rudd was off to a
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  Speaker 3: brilliant new opportunity that he couldn't resist.
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  Speaker 10: Isabella, do you think that there is anything in the
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  Speaker 10: fact that it's come a year early. Well, these are
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  Speaker 10: things that we're all going to have to dig into
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  Speaker 10: and investigate. It could just be that he's looking forward
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  Speaker 10: to starting a new role.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a new role. Rudd didn't leave for a
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  Speaker 3: new opportunity. He bailed out and went back to his
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  Speaker 3: old job, and he's so happy about it. He actually
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  Speaker 3: produced a special video to celebrate the occasion.
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  Speaker 11: Ah, this language, he's just complicated so much.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how can anyone do this?
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  Speaker 10: Man?
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  Speaker 12: This is just impossible.
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  Speaker 1: I'm only joking.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, that was from when he was Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: I just couldn't resist the gag.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, career diplomat, former Defense Department head and former
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  Speaker 3: Ambassador to Iran for Australia, Greg Moriarty now takes up
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  Speaker 3: this US role in Washington, and I would be shocked
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  Speaker 3: if the White House didn't want to hear from him
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  Speaker 3: as soon as possible, just for his serious insights on
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  Speaker 3: Iran alone. Speaking of ambassadors, Israel's new ambassador to Australia
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  Speaker 3: spoke at the National Press Club today and he made
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  Speaker 3: some really strong and important points.
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  Speaker 12: Israel is the ancestral, biblical homeland of the Jewish people,
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  Speaker 12: the Chosen Land, but it is situated in a difficult neighborhood,
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  Speaker 12: surrounded by those who seek to annihilate it. They seek
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  Speaker 12: its destruction for what it represents, a modern democracy, Western
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  Speaker 12: civilization and a national home for the Jewish people.
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  Speaker 1: There is no other.
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  Speaker 12: Country in the Middle East that upholds the same democratic
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  Speaker 12: ideals of Australia as Israel does.
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  Speaker 1: These are such crucial facts.
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  Speaker 3: They are fundamental to understanding events in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: and with so much ignorance, hatred and propaganda in the
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  Speaker 3: mix at the moment, this is the reality that too
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  Speaker 3: few people either know or understand, because it's only from
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  Speaker 3: that knowledge base that you can grasp what's gone on
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  Speaker 3: and where the aggression comes from.
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  Speaker 12: We believe that if given the opportunity, our neighbors would
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  Speaker 12: choose to build their future.
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  Speaker 1: Rather than destroy us. We were wrong.
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  Speaker 12: Hamas took control of Gaza instead of building schools and hospitals,
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  Speaker 12: They dug terror tunnels and produced rockets. Their desire to
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  Speaker 12: annihilate Israel was stronger than their care for their own
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  Speaker 12: children and livelihood.
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  Speaker 1: Again, this is the plain fact of the matter.
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  Speaker 3: It's what Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad and all the
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  Speaker 3: other Islamus grew believe. But too many in the media
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  Speaker 3: and politics refuse to comprehend this. They pretend that Palestinians
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  Speaker 3: in Gaza are fighting for freedom or liberation or some such.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not the case.
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  Speaker 3: Israel forced all Jews out of Gaza twenty years ago
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  Speaker 3: and gave the Palestinians every chance to build an autonomous future.
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  Speaker 3: Yet listen to the questions from the Canberra journalists, they
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  Speaker 3: perpetuate the discredited allegations against Israel.
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  Speaker 11: Do you worry that the perception of excesses in Israel's
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  Speaker 11: attacks in Gaza, the tens of thousands of women and
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  Speaker 11: children who've been killed, allegations of war crimes have damaged
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  Speaker 11: Israel's reputation and taken the Middle East further away from
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  Speaker 11: peace rather than closer to it.
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  Speaker 13: I want to take this opportunity as well to pay
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  Speaker 13: tribute to the journalists and aid workers who have been
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  Speaker 13: killed doing their job internationally. Israel defense sources have told
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  Speaker 13: SBS that the investigation into the Israeli drone strike that
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  Speaker 13: killed Zombi Frankim in Gaza has been shelved and that
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  Speaker 13: there will be no prosecutions after two years. Her grieving
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  Speaker 13: family are pleading for justice. So what is the status
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  Speaker 13: of the Military Advocate general investigation into the death of
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  Speaker 13: Zombi Frankim. Will the Israeli Defense Force release the audio
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  Speaker 13: of the drone strike so the evidence is transparent, Will
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  Speaker 13: anyone be prosecuted or was this one of those tragic mistakes?
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  Speaker 3: In your view, this is the constant demonization of Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Investigations have proven those aid workers were killed in a
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  Speaker 3: tragic accident, and as for women and children being killed,
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  Speaker 3: the numbers even from Hummas suggest that most of the
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  Speaker 3: casualties in the.
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  Speaker 1: War were Hummaus terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, all civilian deaths are a tragedy, but the
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  Speaker 3: reality is that in the history of war, no army
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  Speaker 3: has done more than the IDF in Gaza to warn citizens,
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  Speaker 3: move civilians and give safe passage to civilians. Just let
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  Speaker 3: me show you the direct line between this demonization of
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  Speaker 3: Israel and anti Semitism. One definitely inflames the other, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's intended to or not. Green's Senator David Shubridge posted
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  Speaker 3: on Facebook strongly condemning new laws passed in Israel that
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  Speaker 3: deliver the death penalty for terrorists from the Palestinian territories
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  Speaker 3: who murder Israeli's The death penalty, by the way, can
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  Speaker 3: apply to Israelis too. Now support the death penalty or not.
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  Speaker 3: If it's ever gone to apply, then terrorism would be
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  Speaker 3: the crime that you start with. Shuebridge is no fan
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  Speaker 3: of Israel or bb NET nyahu As is his right,
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  Speaker 3: but look at the sickening responses to his post, piling
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  Speaker 3: on not just to attack the new law or the
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  Speaker 3: Israeli government, but to say the Austrian guy with the
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  Speaker 3: funny mustache is vindicated. Yeah, people barracking publicly for Adolf Hitler.
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  Speaker 3: Another said the Austrian painter was right all along again
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  Speaker 3: a Hitler and Holocaust endorsement. One post said Iran is
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  Speaker 3: doing the work of Jesus. Another urged the dropping of
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  Speaker 3: a big bomb on Israel, which of course is what
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  Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear program was all about. They need to nuke Israel,
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  Speaker 3: said another post. And that German person was right. Sickening
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  Speaker 3: stuff and there it is all around us. As the
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  Speaker 3: Ambassador told the National Press Club, anti Semitism is running amok.
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  Speaker 12: Self proclaimed human rights activists who ignore documented sexual assaults
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  Speaker 12: against Israeli women simply because the victims are Israeli and
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  Speaker 12: dismiss them as propaganda or falsely say debunked are betraying
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  Speaker 12: human rights. Sadly, anti Semitism is on the rise worldwide,
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  Speaker 12: including here. In Australia, a country known for its diversity
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  Speaker 12: and openness, Jewish citizens have faced to taxi neighborhoods, schools, synagogues,
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  Speaker 12: university campuses and public spaces. This did not start on
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  Speaker 12: October the seventh. What began is graffiti and vandalism tragically
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  Speaker 12: escalated to bullets on Bondai Beach. This violence is real,
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  Speaker 12: It is happening here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this remains a terrible problem in our country. Nothing
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  Speaker 3: has changed since Bondai. We're still seeing governments do very
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  Speaker 3: little to confront or combat this scourge, and that endangers
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Australians and all other Australians too. Let's go to
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  Speaker 3: Canberra now and catch up with the Shadow Assistant Minister
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  Speaker 3: for International Development. Dave Sharma, Liberal Senator for New South Wales, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: For joining us, Dave.
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  Speaker 3: I want to come back to what the ambassador had
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  Speaker 3: to say later, but I want to kick off with
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  Speaker 3: the main game in Canberra today, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's the fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, the Albanezi government has taken up the coalition's idea
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  Speaker 3: of cutting halving the fuel excise, but they haven't paid
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  Speaker 3: for it with cuts elsewhere as the coalition was proposing.
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  Speaker 3: Does that mean that we're all going to pay the
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  Speaker 3: price for this in higher inflation?
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  Speaker 8: Ultimately, yes, Chris, I mean a coalition proposal. We believe
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  Speaker 8: in cuts to the fuel excise levy temporary to provide
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  Speaker 8: households some relief, but we were proposing to offset those
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  Speaker 8: with savings from elsewhere in the budget, so effectively, the
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  Speaker 8: fuel excise relief is not going to add to overall
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  Speaker 8: demand in the economy. Now we know from the Reserve
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  Speaker 8: Bank that demand in the economy is running too hot.
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  Speaker 8: We know that's largely a factor of government spending at
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  Speaker 8: the highest level in four years outside the pandemic, and
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  Speaker 8: the decision by the Labor government, whilst it provides some
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  Speaker 8: relief to households, is going to add to inflationary pressures,
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  Speaker 8: which means everything's going to cost more and the Reserve
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  Speaker 8: Bank is going to be more likely to raise interest
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  Speaker 8: rates again, meaning we're paying more on your mortgage. So
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  Speaker 8: this is you know, it's like the electricity bill relief.
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  Speaker 8: It might provide some temporary salvation, but the long term
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  Speaker 8: costs of this again going to be significant.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In the short term, obviously it'll depress inflation a bit
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  Speaker 3: because it'll lower the petrol input into everything else. So
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  Speaker 3: on balance though, you'd still support it.
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  Speaker 2: The cuts to the fuel extis.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's important now, but we would like to
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  Speaker 8: find you know, and we have supported these measures as
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  Speaker 8: they go through the parliament, but we would like to
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  Speaker 8: see the government find savings to offset this, because we
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  Speaker 8: know from the Reserve Bank every time they change industrates
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  Speaker 8: they say that aggregate demand is running too hot. And
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  Speaker 8: aggregate demand's got two components, public and private demand, and
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  Speaker 8: it's public demand government spending that is the biggest cause
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  Speaker 8: of inflation right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt the government spending has been too high.
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  Speaker 3: That's been the case for so long, and at least
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  Speaker 3: the reserve banks starting to call it out. But speaking
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  Speaker 3: of the Reserve Bank of vin Devene. Now to stop
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  Speaker 3: those annoying surcharges on credit card transactions.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the Treasurer Jim Charmers. Today.
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  Speaker 15: We all know that Australians absolutely hate this idea that
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  Speaker 15: there's a sneaky charge when you tap and go when
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  Speaker 15: you get a coffee or get a beer. People would
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  Speaker 15: rather know how much that coffee or beer or sandwich costs.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So is this a good idea getting rid
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  Speaker 3: of this search charge or we're just going to pay
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  Speaker 3: you through other charges.
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  Speaker 8: Anyway, I think it's a great idea. Chris, I find
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  Speaker 8: surcharging abhorrent. The idea that you pay an extra fee
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  Speaker 8: to hand over your money to someone because of the
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  Speaker 8: method you use. I think it's just preposterous. And the
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  Speaker 8: truth is that if you're managing cash transactions, then if
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  Speaker 8: you're the merchant or the bank, that costs you a
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  Speaker 8: lot more than it does moving electrons around electronic transactions.
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  Speaker 8: So I think these are irritating to consumers. It's widespread
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  Speaker 8: now you would know this. Nearly every place you go
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  Speaker 8: to pay now has a search charge, which you don't
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  Speaker 8: see until you actually go to tap at the till
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  Speaker 8: it's not indicated in the price. I think banks need
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  Speaker 8: to be basically charging the merchants less, which will lessen
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  Speaker 8: the need for the merchant to pass this on to
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  Speaker 8: the consumer.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of the RBA's proposal.
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  Speaker 8: And I think we need to see small businesses, which
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  Speaker 8: at the moment get stung by higher fees from the
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  Speaker 8: banks than the big businesses. We need to see make
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  Speaker 8: sure they have access to a level playing field as well.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, the Reserve Bank is getting creating a lot
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  Speaker 3: of grief by increasing interest rates. I think this is
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  Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank to trying to grab a bit of
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  Speaker 3: popularity because.
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  Speaker 1: Most people will certainly endorse this decision.
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  Speaker 3: Now, going back to what I was just showing from
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  Speaker 3: the new Israeli Ambassador to Australia, a very strong performance
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  Speaker 3: I thought from him and his first rule public appearance
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  Speaker 3: since taking up the job. Is he right that anti
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  Speaker 3: Semitism is still a big problem in this country.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: We know there's a raw commission underway, but what else
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is happening.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: Well, I think he's right to say that is a
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: big problem. And I think any of us who followed
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: this issue with any degree of interest over the last
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: two and a half years have known how bad it's become,
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: particularly or how much it's grown since the seventh of
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: October twenty twenty three, and how often it's been accelerated
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: by people in positions of public authority or public influence.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Wittingly or maybe not.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: But and I think the fact that we had in
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: Australia only four months ago, a little over four months ago,
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: the worst ever terrorist attack in our history on Australian
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: soil that was solely targeting a community there's less than
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: one percent of our population.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Surely that tells everyone we've got a problem here.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, spot thanks for joining us, David, I appreciate it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Dave Shama, their Liberal Senator for New South Wales. Now,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: we've spent plenty of time focusing on the enormous cost
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: of the National Disability Insurance scheme here. It's about fifty
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: billion dollars a year now is expected to blow out
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: to one hundred billion dollars a year within a decade,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: while other parts of the health system are neglected well.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Doctor Nick Coatsworth, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer in this
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: country during the COVID pandemic.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: He took up the issue with.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: The new South Wales Health Minister Ryan Park at a
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: healthcare summit for the Financial Review yesterday, sharing a personal
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: story about his mum.
• 21:33
  Speaker 16: Have a look, my family is currently trying to keep
• 21:36
  Speaker 16: my mother out of your hospitals. She has dementia. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 16: left her crying this morning. Sixty five percent of her
• 21:44
  Speaker 16: funding came through. That's only three point five hours. We've
• 21:49
  Speaker 16: waited six months for that funding. Two sons who are
• 21:53
  Speaker 16: both professionals trying to keep her out of hospital and
• 21:58
  Speaker 16: you know by the time she needs a nursing home yesterday,
• 22:03
  Speaker 16: she'll probably be in Saint Vincent's at some time in
• 22:05
  Speaker 16: the next two weeks. This is the reality of the situation.
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: We talk about funding. We have to address the elephant
• 22:12
  Speaker 16: in the room. When are we going to transfer some
• 22:13
  Speaker 16: of that NDIS funding into people who have paid taxes
• 22:17
  Speaker 16: all their lives and are stuck now in your public hospitals.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Let's go to a doctor, Nick Cosworth. No our life
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: from Canberra and Nick, thanks for talking to us again.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: No worries, Grit.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: There's a lot in what you said there goes to
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the amount of money that's being wasted. We know a
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: lot of it is being wasted in theis it goes
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to the difficulties of the age care system and the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: pressures on our public hospital system. And what struck me
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: about that very personal insight was that if somebody with
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: your experience of the medical system and the medical bureaucracy
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: is struggling to deal with that horrible difficulty with your mother,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: then how must other people manage to navigate this?
• 23:01
  Speaker 16: Well, that strikes me as well, Chris, and I suppose
• 23:05
  Speaker 16: what I was reflecting there was a frustration that so
• 23:08
  Speaker 16: many people around Australia have had, many of whom have
• 23:10
  Speaker 16: messaged me on social media today, and that frustration is
• 23:15
  Speaker 16: that they've seen the funding to the ndis creep up
• 23:18
  Speaker 16: and up and up, exceeding MBS funding for medicare now
• 23:23
  Speaker 16: exceeding age care funding and still growing it in excess
• 23:26
  Speaker 16: of eight percent per year, not within the government set
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: targets at all.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: It just creates an immense source of frustration. And as
• 23:34
  Speaker 16: you say, you know, my brother and I were batting
• 23:37
  Speaker 16: on and you know every Australian wants to keep their
• 23:41
  Speaker 16: parents at home. We're able, fortunately to afford some supplementary care.
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: Many Australians can't that the reality of dementia is eventually
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: she's going to need and sooner rather than later, a
• 23:53
  Speaker 16: dementia bed that doesn't exist and won't exist in the
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: foreseeable future. And we're not keeping up with demand. But
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: the National Disability Insurance Scheme is growing year on year
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: on year, and you know we'll approach within a couple
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: of years sixty billion, not fifty two.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Billion, and you know, not to put too far a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: pointer on it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: We know there's a lot of enormously good work done
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: under the NDIS, but we also know that it's paid
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: for sex workers, and it pays for all sorts of
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: additional attention for people with autistic kids who are not
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: means tested. And there's a lot of raughting of the
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: system that money could be better spent.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Where are the greatest needs do you see at the moment?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Are they in the public hospital system or in the
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: age care system?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Well, they're both interlinked.
• 24:42
  Speaker 16: And if we talk about that, let's go back to
• 24:43
  Speaker 16: the purpose of the NDIS. So often we forget the
• 24:46
  Speaker 16: words national and insurance. This is not just a scheme
• 24:50
  Speaker 16: for people with permanent disability. This is a scheme that
• 24:53
  Speaker 16: ensures you and I and our families Chris, who are
• 24:56
  Speaker 16: under sixty five and may well end up with a condition,
• 25:02
  Speaker 16: may well end up with a condition that requires permanent care.
• 25:05
  Speaker 16: We can be totally impermanently disabled. We all have a
• 25:09
  Speaker 16: stake in the NDIS. But it's got to be a
• 25:12
  Speaker 16: system that integrates with aged care and the hospital system.
• 25:16
  Speaker 16: It's got to be a system that's sustainable. It's got
• 25:19
  Speaker 16: to be a fair in terms of the quantum that's
• 25:21
  Speaker 16: being spent relative to the hospital and the age care system.
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: It's all part of the same pie, Chris, and it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: all got to work together at the moment. Through You
• 25:30
  Speaker 16: mentioned some of the problems with the NDIS, but in
• 25:33
  Speaker 16: particular it's distortionary to the care economy. It takes people
• 25:36
  Speaker 16: out of hospital and aged care support and care and
• 25:41
  Speaker 16: puts them in the NDIS, which is better funded and
• 25:45
  Speaker 16: is distorting that when it should be integrating effectively with it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: So we've got to get back to the design principles
• 25:52
  Speaker 16: of the NDIS, and the design principle above all other
• 25:56
  Speaker 16: is that it is a national insurance system.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Now, it's fascinating and brilliant to get your insights into
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: this dilemma. But the reason I asked you on initially
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: was before you had this to say about the age
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: care system and the ndies. I saw a social media
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: post from you over the weekend where you said Albo
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: just isn't the leader for crisis. It's painfully obvious, unresponsive, reactive,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: diminished by every utterance, first BONDI and now a fuel crisis.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Leadership like this leaves the country exposed and vulnerable. I
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: thought it was fascinating to see someone with a prominence,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I suppose a political position as yourself in the public debate,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: having that to say, what's triggered it? And what do
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: you think we need to do as a country if
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: we are so.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Poorly led well.
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: I take a really strong interest in crisis leadership, Chris.
• 26:48
  Speaker 16: Out of the pandemic, I saw instances where it was
• 26:52
  Speaker 16: done well, instances where it wasn't done well. And of
• 26:55
  Speaker 16: course the Prime Minister has talents in other areas, but
• 26:58
  Speaker 16: I think he sort of steadily convincing the population those
• 27:01
  Speaker 16: talents don't lie in crisis management. It looks as though
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: it's constantly hard to get ahead of the game. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 16: when you looked at perhaps the performance of the Morrison
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: government for all it could be criticized at least in
• 27:14
  Speaker 16: those first three months of COVID, you couldn't have accused
• 27:16
  Speaker 16: it of being behind the game or behind the eight ball.
• 27:19
  Speaker 16: And my concern with BONDI my concern with the fuel
• 27:22
  Speaker 16: crisis is that there's a lot of reaction, there's a
• 27:24
  Speaker 16: lot of catchup, and in those press conferences it looks
• 27:28
  Speaker 16: like someone who's getting irritated with the questions rather than
• 27:32
  Speaker 16: rather than leading the country along. And I think if
• 27:34
  Speaker 16: that's the persona that's being projected during times of crisis,
• 27:38
  Speaker 16: not now just with one, but with two consecutive crises,
• 27:42
  Speaker 16: then in these times of uncertainty, that's a deep worry
• 27:46
  Speaker 16: for the country. And that's where the tweet came from.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Chris, Nick Coatsworth, I think you were spot on. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: think you're making great contributions to the debate. Are you
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: going to get involved in politics anytime soon?
• 28:00
  Speaker 16: Well, Chris, it's a tough decision for a forty seven
• 28:02
  Speaker 16: year old, but I have no lack of motivation from
• 28:05
  Speaker 16: our Prime minister and the Treasurer and others on the
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: labour side.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be a great thing to say, let's
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: keep in touch and thanks for joining us.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Nick.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Thank chriss Nick Coatsworth there once the Deputy National Health Officer.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Would you like to see him in politics?
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Cutting through some of the bladder around the place At
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the moment, we're going.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: To take a break.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: On the other side, Tim Blair on the EV owners
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: who are reaching a new level of smugness. Ll let's
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: catch up as we do every Tuesday with the Daily Telegraphs,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair, Tim, great to talk to you again. Made Look,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I always enjoy your columns and you always give us
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a laugh about the most serious points. But you've excelled
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: yourself today, mate, Tim. Pos is a couple of questions.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: One is, will any members of the Queers for Palestine movement,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: for example, ever actually visit Gaza or the West Bank?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: And to whom should we send the flowers? Which is brilliant.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You go through a couple of others. But the one
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I wanted to explore.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: With you is is a theme we've been on for
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: a long while, and that is EV's. And you say,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: is it possible that EV owners, who are already one
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: hundred percent up themselves could somehow become even more smug.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And self approving? You reckon the fuel crisis has fuelled
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: their smugness.
• 29:28
  Speaker 17: It's generated levels of smug not known for decades. This
• 29:31
  Speaker 17: is it's pretty intense. Smug is what we're coping with.
• 29:36
  Speaker 17: And it's all that they're saving them, you know in cases,
• 29:39
  Speaker 17: I guess in some cases substantial amounts that the by
• 29:42
  Speaker 17: not having to refuel at the pumps. But do these people,
• 29:47
  Speaker 17: in other money saving circumstances behave in the same way
• 29:51
  Speaker 17: when when, for example, there's a dairy issue, which occasionally
• 29:55
  Speaker 17: will have in Australia and there's a milk shortage or
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: milk prices go up, do they go out and buy
• 29:59
  Speaker 17: care do they sort of sit around going haha, all
• 30:03
  Speaker 17: you non cow buying people, We've got a couple of
• 30:06
  Speaker 17: hippers in the backyard and we are safe from the
• 30:08
  Speaker 17: milk shortage. Because that's exactly the attitude they're doing. Now.
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: They're spending a lot more money than normal people buying
• 30:14
  Speaker 17: normal cars, so they can gloat about relatively small savings
• 30:19
  Speaker 17: overall in charging and refueling.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Now, everybody, anybody who's a Seinfeld fan knows, as the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: taxi driver once said that smugness is not an attractive quality.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: So we don't like seeing around. Let's have a listen
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to old mates, Chris Bowen.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I'm here in Parametta. It's post parade out here, you.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Know, and Blacktown is BYD Boulevard.
• 30:44
  Speaker 17: People are on this transition.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: How long do you reckon?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: He looked at the names of the electric cars and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the names for streets to come up with his little alliteration.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: There, genius.
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: Is it the weird thing? And I mentioned this in
• 30:58
  Speaker 17: the piece, Chris, is it if Australian roods are as
• 31:03
  Speaker 17: loaded as the minister says with Chinese made cars? Wouldn't
• 31:08
  Speaker 17: a Chinese government official be happier about that than an
• 31:11
  Speaker 17: Australian one. Why is an Australian government representative Ministry of
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: the Crown? Why is he so overjoyed that we've got
• 31:18
  Speaker 17: Chinese cars everywhere?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 31:20
  Speaker 17: Why is he applauding the economic takeover this nation? Why
• 31:23
  Speaker 17: is he so dumbly gleeful about pol stars and bids,
• 31:28
  Speaker 17: which in my corner of the world are known as
• 31:31
  Speaker 17: burn your driveways because of their occasionally inflammatory, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 17: the combustibility habits.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: But the other point is if they're so damn good,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and if.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: They're saving everyone a lot of money now during with
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: fuel prices going up. Why do my taxes have to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: go into the pockets of people buying them or looking
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: to refuel them. There's governments paying for recharging stations, government's
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: giving a tax break on them, governments subsidizing evs left
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: right and.
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: Sent that absolutely and this is this is always the
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: giveaway that they're not the bill and end all. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: we're starting to see it. We've seen over the last
• 32:05
  Speaker 17: I guess two and a half three years, that the
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: market is correcting itself. And as all of these incentives
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: are withdrawn instead of the EV market, EV market kicking along.
• 32:14
  Speaker 17: And you know, with that early incentive just surfing forward.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: As soon as you subtract the government money, you subtract
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: EV ownership, they people bail because it's just not that good.
• 32:25
  Speaker 17: And even if and you know, there are a lot
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: of articles around trying to work out the balance between,
• 32:29
  Speaker 17: you know, is it more profitable or to have a
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: pedal car than an EV and they're saying in some
• 32:34
  Speaker 17: cases it might be leveling up. In cases of just
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: ease of ownership, your evs are never going to overtake petrol.
• 32:42
  Speaker 17: They're never going to be able to refuel quickly enough
• 32:44
  Speaker 17: to match petrol. So even if the money side of
• 32:46
  Speaker 17: it levels up eventually, you're still stuck there like an
• 32:49
  Speaker 17: idiot at a pump in the middle of nowhere, trying
• 32:51
  Speaker 17: to recharge a Tesla or whatever other vehicle.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, there's fires.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: There was a fire just this week at the Paramoutter,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: a Tesla dealer. Some cars went up in flames. Now,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: if we were going to be as smug as as
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: the EV drivers would make a smug point about that,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: but it's it's a safety issue.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It's a real danger. These fires are springing up, so
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it's a worry. That's all the time we've got Tim,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much mate. We'll catch up with you on Thursday.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair, there ready stuff in the Daily Telegraph, get
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: on the website.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: You will not regret it. We're going to take a break.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: On the other side of that, we're going to catch
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: up on the latest with the war in the Middle
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: East with Kristen Tate in the US. Now, I spoke
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: yesterday without a Lesson psychologist doctor Michael Karr greg about
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: a new doco on Netflix exploring the Manisphere online cesspit
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: of misogyny, anti Semitism, and violence. Here's some examples of
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the vile stuff that our teenagers are being exposed to.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: A man who's not dangerous.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: We will never be seeing this.
• 33:55
  Speaker 17: Man against women. That's a tap on masculinity.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Is going to club that you said no destroy her.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Our Labour's social media ban for under sixteens was supposed
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to stop teens accessing this sort of disgusting content and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: lots of others. But today we found out that Facebook, Instagram,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: and TikTok, among others, are on notice for not doing
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: enough to enforce the ban. That's bring in Trevor Long,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the editor of tech website e FtM. Good to talk
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to you again, Trevor. We always thought that the teenagers
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: will be able to get around this ban, and it
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: seems that they are right.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I don't want to start I told you so, but
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: absolutely knew this would be how it would play out.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: And the critical thing here is this won't go to court,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: and if it does, the government won't win because there's
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: some really important language in the legislation, which is that
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: the platforms TikTok, Instagram, et cetera must take reasonable steps
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: to prevent under sixteens from accessing their services. Those reasonable
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: steps are being taken. I've got a fourteen year old
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: and a fifteen year old and they they were advised
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: that they were detected to be under sixteen and should
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: verify their ages. That is a reasonable step. The platforms tried.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: They said, hey, we think you're under sixteen. But the
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: problem was my kids just used the facial verification and went, ah,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: you know, my daughter put some makeup on them, just
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: looked a year older and she passed the test. My
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: youngest son used his older brothers ID and got through
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: the system. So from the platform's point of view, they
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: are adhering to the legislation, they're taking reasonable steps. It's
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: the government who ignored their own advice on facial recognition
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: being flawed that are to blame here.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the Communications Minister, Anika Well's on this today.
• 35:39
  Speaker 18: Fifty percent of under sixteens who are still on a
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: social media platform are on there because that platform has
• 35:44
  Speaker 18: not asked them their age. But in order to go
• 35:47
  Speaker 18: to the federal court and ask a judge to issue
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: orders against a platform, you need to have a strong
• 35:51
  Speaker 18: and substantial body of evidence, and that's what we're building.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: So she says, they're building the evidence to go to court,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: but I tend to side with you. I can see
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: this being a big problem for the government not being
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: able to enforce their own ban.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: I mean what the government should do here is except
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: that what they've created, and I acknowledge this is a
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: long term change, and this is great. Kids that are
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: eight or nine now will grow up very different teenagers
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: with very different access to those today.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I can see that, and.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: But if we target and look at the platforms over
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: what they're doing for thirteen, fourteen and fifteen year olds today,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: it's only going to end in tears for the government.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: What the government should do is is admit that they've
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: got groundbreaking global legislation. They should kind of push through
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: this first three year generation of kids and just let
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: it happen and then know that they've made a fundamental change,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: and we hopefully will see some change in bullying and
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: access to harmful content any younger generation as they become teens,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: because that that will be a change for the ages.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Hey you good on your Trevor. Thanks, we'll keep on
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: top of it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: To travel on there from the FtM to the US
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and a moment to catch up with our contributor Christian Tape.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: But first, a fresh warning from for Iran, actually from
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. He posted on truth Social He said, the
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: US is in serious discussions with a new and more
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: reasonable regime to end our military operations in Iran. If
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the harm As Strait is not immediately open for business,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: we'll conclude our lovely stay in Iran by blowing up
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: and completely obliterating all their electricity.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Generating plants, oil worlds, and carg Island.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: The US President's message was reiterated by his spokesperson, Caroline Leavitt.
• 37:35
  Speaker 19: If the Iranians reject this golden opportunity, the greatest military
• 37:39
  Speaker 19: and the history of the world continues to stand by
• 37:41
  Speaker 19: to provide President Trump with every option available to ensure
• 37:45
  Speaker 19: this regime continues to pay a grave praise.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: So the message from Trump is a strange mixture of
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: negotiations and threats, and it's fascinating these talking about a
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: new regime. The new Supreme Leader seems to have qualify
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: is a new regime. I asked Kristen whether this holds water.
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: A lot of Americans do not like to hear about
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: regime change after what we've been through in this country
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: over the last bunch of years. I will say this, though,
• 38:14
  Speaker 14: I've got to give President Trumps some credit, Chris, because
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: he's doing what he's always done, which he sees trying
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: to project strength and kind of re established terrence. And
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: after years of I wrong feeling emboldened, that larity from
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: the President does matter. And he's right about one thing,
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: and that so truth social post which is that the
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: strait of her moose that is a red line. I mean,
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: the global economy can't function if that is shut down.
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: And if that kind of pressure from Trump actually brings
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: her on to the table with a more reasonable posture,
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: I mean, that would be a positive outcome. But the
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: question that we keep coming back to is how far
• 38:52
  Speaker 14: this goes and whether we're drifting into something much bigger
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: than the American people kind of signed up for. The
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: phrasing that really jumped out to me is what you
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: mentioned a quote new and more reasonable regime That sounds
• 39:05
  Speaker 14: a lot like regime change. And I can tell you
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: that I know a lot of people in real life
• 39:11
  Speaker 14: off Twitter who are Republicans and also some Democrats, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: the attitudes that I'm hearing from people in real life
• 39:18
  Speaker 14: do not match up with what I'm seeing from the
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: mag of people on Twitter, people in real life, of
• 39:24
  Speaker 14: all political persuasions. They're very concerned about how far this
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: is going to go. People with sons, who are you,
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: They're worried about even a draft or something, or boots
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: on the ground. People in this country, they don't want
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: to see this escalate. Yes, we all want to see strength.
• 39:40
  Speaker 14: We want Aran to be a more stable place. We
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: support Israel, but there is a lot of concern on
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: the ground. And it's a little bit frustrating, Chris, because
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: we have a Republican president, a Republican House, and a
• 39:53
  Speaker 14: Republican Senate, and it's like, this is how we're going
• 39:55
  Speaker 14: to use our time. I mean, there could be so
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: many things we could be getting done in this country
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: if only we focused our manpower and our attention on
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: the issues within our border.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Well, for what it's worth it, I think this amounts
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to regime change. It's still the Islamist theocracy. It's still
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: the same regime. But obviously he's trying to strike.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: A deal with them now.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: The real worry is boots on the ground, even if
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: it's limited to Kyg Island, is an enormous amount of
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: risk involved, and as you say, the American public will
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: be very skeptical.
• 40:27
  Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly, And it couldn't come at a worse time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 14: I mean, we're looking at a really important midterm election
• 40:32
  Speaker 14: coming up. We're already seeing the economic consequences of this.
• 40:36
  Speaker 14: I've been paying for the last couple of weeks over
• 40:38
  Speaker 14: four dollars a gallon of gas. I can tell you
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: Americans are more focused on a day to day basis,
• 40:46
  Speaker 14: on what they're dealing with in their real lives than
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: what's going on across the globe. They're focused on what
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: they're paying for gas, the cost of goods and groceries,
• 40:54
  Speaker 14: which despite what the administration says, is still very high.
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: And again, and I mean not that this is the
• 41:01
  Speaker 14: most important thing, but the political consequences of this war
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: here in the US will be absolutely devastating for Republicans
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: if this is not wrapped up quickly come November. So
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: people are just kind of worried about Mission creep here
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: and how far this is going to go, and they
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: want to know what is the end game? That is
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: the question I keep hearing. What's the actual goal here
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: and how do we achieve it?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: If it's any consolation, Christen fuel is about three times
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: as expensive as that here in Australian. But when we
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: talk about the end game, well, let's listen to Maka Rubia,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the Secretary of Stit has outlined in some detail exactly
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: what America and Israel think the achieved and need to achieve.
• 41:45
  Speaker 20: In Iran, we have very clear objectives that we're trying
• 41:49
  Speaker 20: to achieve here. Those objectives are the destruction of their
• 41:51
  Speaker 20: air force, which has been achieved, the destruction of their navy,
• 41:54
  Speaker 20: which has largely been achieved, a significant reduction in the
• 41:58
  Speaker 20: number of missile launchers that they have, which we're well
• 42:00
  Speaker 20: on our way to achieving. We will achieve those objectives.
• 42:03
  Speaker 20: We are well on our way or ahead of schedule.
• 42:05
  Speaker 20: We will achieve them in weeks, not months, and then
• 42:08
  Speaker 20: we'll be confronted with this issue of the Straits of
• 42:10
  Speaker 20: Hormuz and it'll be up to Iran to decide, and
• 42:12
  Speaker 20: if they choose to try to block the straits, then
• 42:14
  Speaker 20: they will have to face real consequences.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: So there's Marca Rubia Christian at least that's a Philly
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: clear military strategy.
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: I mean sure, but what stands out to me is
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: that we're only now hearing clearly defined objectives after major
• 42:28
  Speaker 14: military action was already underway. That's sort of backwards for
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: the American people. They want to know the mission before
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: we're committed, not after. Although it is good to see
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: this sort of being outlined now. But still, even with
• 42:42
  Speaker 14: what Rubio said, we still don't really know what victory
• 42:46
  Speaker 14: means here. And of course the most concerning part of
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: the statement was the strait of formose. This is not
• 42:52
  Speaker 14: a side issue. This is a global economic choke point
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: that will be devastating not just to Americans but to
• 42:59
  Speaker 14: the whole world if that remains closed. And again, as
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: I mentioned, we're already feeling the effects of that. You're
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: in the United States with higher gas prices.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: So much uncertainty at the moment. Kristin, thanks so much
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: for joining us.
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: Thank you very much. Chriss.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep an eye on that obviously, but very
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: hard to work out what's going on from this distance.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I've got an expert on this tomorrow.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Now, coming up the ABC, they proposed a new payoffer
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to satisfy their striking staff from last week. Don't go
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: wait panel next, let's go to our Tuesday panel with
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Susi o Brian and Melbourne and Steven Sena Tiempo in Canberra.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Great to talk to you again, both of you. I
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: want to start with the ABC.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: We had that strike action last week, Susie.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: The ABC has already come up with a new offer
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: now saying a four percent increase in the first year
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: rather than three and a half percent instead of the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars sign on bonus.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You'd grab this, wouldn't you.
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 21: The union's been saying that they will suggest to their
• 44:05
  Speaker 21: members that they vote for this, and this seems like
• 44:08
  Speaker 21: this is a way for them to break this impass
• 44:11
  Speaker 21: and about time too, to be perfectly honest. I mean,
• 44:14
  Speaker 21: we've got the emergency broadcast off air for twenty four hours.
• 44:17
  Speaker 21: It's absolutely not acceptable and so let's hope the staff
• 44:21
  Speaker 21: take this still.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of them, Stephen, with an extra half
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: a percent of the first year, will get less than
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: what they would have with the.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Thousand dollars bonus.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I would have thought most actually, but you know it's
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: locked in there for the full term. I noticed there
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: was a story in the Daily Telegraph too that one
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: of the ABC reporters on strike day was tossed out
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: of the pub after smashing a glass and downing a
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: few too many.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: Look, I'm going to say I am completely frustrated by
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: this whole story because, on the whole, apart from some
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: of the big names in Sydney and Melbourne, ABC journals
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: get paid more than people in the private in commercial media,
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: they do half as much work, and I just find
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: it extraordinary that, in the midst of a cost of
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: living crisis, where nobody else is getting a pay rise,
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: they think they're entitled to something when they're not actually producing.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: I think they should have sacked a lot of them
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: and replace them with proper journals.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Well, you are right, they do get paid more than
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: most other commercial journos that the junior and mid level.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: They also have more job security than others in the
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: private sector, and they also get more super. They get
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: fourteen percent or more super I think fifteen percent super.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So it's a good deal when you're on the taxpayers ticket,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Susy.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I wanted to come to you as a Victorian as well,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: because we talked a lot about this story yesterday, but
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I think the whole nation is still talking about it,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and that is of course the finding Desi Freeman and
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the police shooting him. The incredible way that he managed
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: to survive this seven months and was.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: At that hideaway location.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: And the big question that hangs over at all is
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: who helped him? Were others helping him?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 46:01
  Speaker 21: Absolutely? How did he get there? How long has he
• 46:03
  Speaker 21: been there? Who helped him get there? He must have
• 46:07
  Speaker 21: had help in terms of he couldn't have had seven
• 46:09
  Speaker 21: months worth of food?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And did he walk there.
• 46:12
  Speaker 21: In a T shirt after the initial standoff? I mean,
• 46:16
  Speaker 21: there's so many questions and we will learn more in
• 46:19
  Speaker 21: weeks to come. The other one, of course, is the
• 46:21
  Speaker 21: million dollar reward. Is anyone going to be claiming that?
• 46:25
  Speaker 21: Is that going to be paid out? Or was this
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: just a case of good old fashioned policing? And people
• 46:30
  Speaker 21: are saying this does not give closure, But at least
• 46:33
  Speaker 21: a lot of questions are answered, and one of them
• 46:38
  Speaker 21: is that apparently his wife didn't even know that he
• 46:41
  Speaker 21: was alive. He texted her after the he shot those
• 46:44
  Speaker 21: two police saying see you in heaven. So there's amazing
• 46:47
  Speaker 21: details yet to come.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: The suggestion is, Steven, that somebody tipped off the police.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: You'd be looking for that million dollars, wouldn't you.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I don't know, but unless because if he
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: did people helping him, maybe you'd be concerned that they'd
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: come after you. But look, I hope this sends a
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: message to the rest of these sovereign citizen clowns that
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: you are going to get caught and you are well,
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: in this case, not going to survive the encounter. I
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: don't think he's going to be seeing his wife in heaven.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's the direction he's going in, And
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: I don't think anybody's going to particularly mourn he's lost.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: But my thoughts go out to the families of the
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: two police officers that were killed.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And to the one that was injured.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I was actually pleased to hear Anthony Albernezi give a
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: decent answer for once someone asked him what's his reaction
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: to Desi Freeman being shot dead? And he said good,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: So for a change, he was on the money. Was
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: the PM Susie quick reaction from you on these annoying
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: surcharges for credit card transactions. Everybody's going to welcome that,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: aren't they.
• 47:44
  Speaker 21: Yeah, people are going to welcome this. But if there's
• 47:47
  Speaker 21: no point removing the surcharges if the charges that they're
• 47:51
  Speaker 21: supposed to be covering are still in play. I mean,
• 47:54
  Speaker 21: they've got to make sure that they get this balance
• 47:56
  Speaker 21: right between the fees that are still being charged and
• 47:59
  Speaker 21: the charges that they've just banned. So I mean, if
• 48:03
  Speaker 21: small businesses are going to continue to slug customers, we're
• 48:07
  Speaker 21: not really winning, are we.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's the case of Steve. And I just
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: wanted to finish with you because we talked about your
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: amazing health kick and weight loss last week, and I
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: know you've got a fantastic response from our viewers and
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: your radio listeners.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Tell us about the response you've got.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: Well, it's been huge. There's something apparently there's a thing
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: called a subreddit. I don't know exactly what that is,
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: but there's something online where people are talking about it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: I've had other media outlets reaching out to be wanting
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: to talk about it too, which I'm still a little
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: bit sort of surprised by. But most of it has
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: been absolute encouragement, particularly from Sky viewers and from my
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: listeners on the radio, and just random people reaching out
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: to me on social media. It's been fantastic, So thank
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: you to everyone. That's reached out. It encourage them to
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: keep going for that last forty hellers.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Good on you, mate, you've really worked hard for it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: It's been great to watch it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Great you're getting some of those rewards and some of
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: that feedback. Steven Senate to the Empire and Susio Brian.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: We'll catch you next Tuesday.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I just want to finish up with some of your
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: feedback that you'll be sending through on the fuel crisis.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Rob says, you reckon, the servos will pass it on.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling they won't. Well, that's the A
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Triple c's job to make sure they do. We'll keep
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: an eye on that, another viewer says, while scrambling to
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: catch up. Albanizi announces that step one of the plan
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: is to plan and prepare brilliant, well spotted, and John says,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: all labour knows how to do is give money out.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I'd rather Albanisi tell us the money's going towards fast
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: tracking new local refineries here, something long term.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: It would be good. Thanks for watching, appreciate your feedback.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night at five o'clock. Here's Peter
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Quidlin