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Robert Patman: International relations professor on Trump's criticism of NZ · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The US has criticized US for sanctions on Israel. Winston
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  Speaker 1: Peters joined our allies, Australia, Canada, you name it, banning
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  Speaker 1: Israel's finance minister and national security minister from traveling here.
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  Speaker 1: But the US has now denounced these sanctions and says
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  Speaker 1: we should instead be focused on from US. Robert Petman,
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  Speaker 1: international relations professor, with me this morning, Morning Robert, Good
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  Speaker 1: morning Ryan. How does this should we worry about repercussions
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  Speaker 1: from the US or is this just talk.
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  Speaker 2: We may to be seen? The thing is that the
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  Speaker 2: status quo, the situation as it is at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: it's just not sustainable. You've got after the shocking Hamas
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  Speaker 2: attack on the seventh October twenty twenty three, when twelve
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  Speaker 2: hundred Israelis or so were killed, we subsequently had what
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  Speaker 2: mister Neechnia who calls a campaign a mighty vengeance in goals,
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  Speaker 2: in which more than fifty four thousand Palestinians, many of
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  Speaker 2: a substantial number of whom had nothing to do with Hamas,
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  Speaker 2: have been killed. So and there's no seaside of the
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  Speaker 2: word as a humanitarian blockade that has been reimposed since
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  Speaker 2: early March with a million Palestines facing starvation. Given this situation,
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  Speaker 2: and given the fact that Israel has not responded to
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  Speaker 2: verbal appeals to lift the humanitarian blockade, I think that
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  Speaker 2: countries that want a two state solution, and mister Nickna,
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  Speaker 2: who doesn't want a two state solution, have little option
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  Speaker 2: but to show some serious statement of intentmen that that
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  Speaker 2: starts with sanctions.
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  Speaker 1: Ninna has turned around basically middle fingered. This will we
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  Speaker 1: get more sanctions.
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  Speaker 2: It's possible, and it's also possible the sanctions have been widened.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of strength of feeling in manyly liberal democracies.
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  Speaker 2: The United States is not a disinterested observer when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis,
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  Speaker 2: and it's I think it's been a weakness and a
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  Speaker 2: failure of US leadership. The situation has got to this point.
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  Speaker 2: Shouldn't be forgotten that the US is exercise the veto
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  Speaker 2: five times in un Securities Council to thwart a ceasefire
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  Speaker 2: when the overwhelming majorities and we're talking about more than
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty members the ow in General Assembly,
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  Speaker 2: actually want a ceasefire. So this, in a sense, the
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  Speaker 2: US has perpetuated this conflicts been It's provided about four
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  Speaker 2: fifths the munitions that Israel has used in the conflict.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the US is not a disinterested observer in this,
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  Speaker 2: and in the sense I think the other liberal democracies
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  Speaker 2: are beginning to push back now and say, look, international
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  Speaker 2: law is important and we have to we have to
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  Speaker 2: uphold it and talk alone. It's clearly not working.
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  Speaker 1: No, So yeah, are you in obviously Hamstrong? I mean
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  Speaker 1: totally useless. And Trump's you know, Trump is criticizing US
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  Speaker 1: for banning a couple of Israeli ministers who aren't going
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  Speaker 1: to travel here anyway. So what hope do we have
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  Speaker 1: that he's actually going to I mean, whokey is does
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  Speaker 1: he listen to the international community?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but matters a war and peace shouldn't rest just
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  Speaker 2: on the shoulders of mister Trump, and he doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: it right on everything. And the fact of the matter
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  Speaker 2: is you can't stand by while war crimes are being
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  Speaker 2: committed on a daily basis with impunity. And I think
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  Speaker 2: the majority of people in the world would like to
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  Speaker 2: see a much more authoritative mechanism for dealing with conflicts
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  Speaker 2: like this, and I think it's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned that the UN Security Council is
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  Speaker 2: pretty user. I agree it's useless because five members of
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  Speaker 2: the UN Security Council use and abuse something called the
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  Speaker 2: veto privilege, and that's got to stop. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: Uzine's been against the veto since Peter Fraser back in
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  Speaker 2: the forties. But what I'm saying here is that Ryan
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  Speaker 2: sanctions may be a tentative start, and they may be belated.
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  Speaker 2: I think they are very late, but you've got to
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  Speaker 2: if you're serious about bringing about a two state solution,
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  Speaker 2: and Nenijo has always ruled out a two state solution,
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  Speaker 2: you actually have to start with some measure that shows
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  Speaker 2: that you're not prepared to go on just accepting the
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  Speaker 2: status quo, and so many people are suffering so horribly.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate your time this morning. Robert Petman, international relations professaid
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  Speaker 1: for more.
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