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HUGE: Panthers Sign Devin Lloyd & Jaelan Phillips! (Plus the Pickett "Problem") · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tony Darn, and not to it but to do it brother, let's roll!
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: If this is true, and who's my cast?
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, wow, wow, wow!
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Morgan said he was going over after the best players in free agency and he landed two of the top free agents spent $170 million in the process all in getting what is many people believe the best free agent acquisition and deal in Devon Lloyd all pro linebacker spending big
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can he pick it Dan Morgan told us what he was going to do.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said they wanted to get better at the past rush.
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said they needed to get better in the middle linebacker position and in coverage and he also wanted to get the
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... the quarterback room younger and cheaper and he went did all those things and bring it back some other players and are the panthers going to be all in on max crossbie next as he failed his physical in the ravens are backing out in the price will definitely go down you're listening to the c3 panthers podcast my name is Tony done this is my man ck what's good my friend
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: man, uh, I don't know why, but free agency snuck up on me, like, almost in the most positive way possible, because I just happen to be looking at YouTube because I had gotten red of X there for a bit.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just started to see things just being posted about free agency stuff.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, wait, it can't be free agency already in low and behold.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here we are.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers had a big time signing, you know, when we came into the off season, we said there were two of my biggest concerns were on an inability to rush the quarterback.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: In our inability to have the lack of a middle linebacker that was going to be a leader of this defense and I said those are my two priorities with the understanding that we're going to have to focus on.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: things like the offensive line and all of that.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I said, these were my two things that I wanted to focus on.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we arguably got the two top people at the position in free agency.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Brother Dan Morgan was cooking yesterday and today.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And who knows, maybe there's more to be said about what the future is going to be holding about anybody else that might be out there.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I will tell you that the Max Crosby situation is only going to make the cost of his trade value to go way further down.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: If a team was willing to think about how that trade impacted the entire landscape of free agency.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: how many people ended up going ahead and like the the Cowboys who went ahead with signing other defensive guys and trading for other defensive guys and here we are now Max Crosby might be potentially back on the board and it might even be a steel compared to what Baltimore was willing to give up for him.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I still think you're going to have to give up a first for him but I can tell you this I don't think you're getting they're getting two first after him failing a physical.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know you still got to pay them to a lot you know the actors won't be in on this, but it makes for good Comber you know, it really shook up the free agency landscape trade engines and out there still probably helped him a lot too in a way So thanks for choosing guys.
• 4:08
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• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight we're talking about who the Carolina Panthers got in free agency, who we lost, and what's going on in the NFL around the board, where the Panthers winners, losers, did they overpay?
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: for Jalen Phillips is a conversation that a lot of people have been asking.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what we got in the show right now.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just start overall.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: CK with just over a look of what the Carolina Panthers have done in free agency right now.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The big names were Jalen Phillips, you're $120 million deal.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Devon Lloyd, three years, 45 million 25 million guaranteed.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to make seven and a half million.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that probably freed up maybe about five, three to five million of what we were paying.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And who was it?
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Andy Dalton, right?
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Andy Dalton.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Carolina Panthers also were able to retain the brain Ray, Isaiah Simmons, David Moore, Robert Urshel, Acleib Evans, and not to forget here, which we haven't put in the show notes, but the Carolina Panthers did the, what is the Tinder designation,
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... jailan coker see what it's a tender contracts exclusive rights free agent tenders for jailan coker and Bryson for main uh... so it looks like the carolina panthers you know what they did is they went out free agency and attack the defense ck yep right now this is the big the big sign in right here is got jailan philips
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jalen Phillips who was with the not Miami Dolphins was traded to the Eagles and played I think a nine games right now this is what we got on Jalen Phillips He was a four it's a four year deal 120 million dollar contract 80 million guaranteed you're paying this guy about 30 million per year
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: last year and it's also a guy back to this is going to be fun for everybody and I saw the Brian Burns crowd come back out into the chatter as Jalen Phillips is not to have ten sacks in his career yet.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had five sacks last year, 14 quarterback kicks hits, 40 53 tackles, two fumble recoveries across 17 games with the Eagles.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this is was a big money, right?
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in every year, the contracts go up.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got to expect this.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: The concern is, is that Jalen Phillips has had several injuries.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has, let's see, season then, he's at an Achilles.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's had an ACL I believe in Achilles.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a risk in college.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: This goes back to concussions in a risk.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was kind of a one year wonder in Miami.
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and ultimately, this was his draft profile.
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Phillips was regarded as one of the most talented, but unorthodox edge prospects do is due to a brief medical retirement early as career.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh, his profile highlighted the following.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He stood at 65, uh, he's six with five, 266 pounds, elite athleticism, long limbs, phenomenal motor.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Scouts praised his first step, quickness, active hands, advanced, read, and react skills.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's noted for being versatile, three down defender, capitol,
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Capable play in a fourth three and a three four.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a kind of ever-row type player in this is a guy that can do everything He can get after the quarterback.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can stop the run.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can get out and space and coverage a little bit because They're always dropping people back in these strange because they're at least you have to be able to do a lot.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it a way the guy that the commander's got who thrived within the chargers who was a hundred million dollar deal.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So people are like, look, you've got to go on with this guy.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a, you know, 20 million dollars less had 10 and a half sex when he was traded from Baltimore had nothing when he was involved more, but a lot of people said that that was.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're paying this a number a guy who's kind of a number two who thrive because of the people beside him, not necessarily because of him alone and you're taking a risk.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw people grade that like as a poor grade for what the commanders played, but this is a different type of player.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's in every down.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a one trick pony.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not just a past rush spell, but specialist.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he crushed the pro day.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's really ran a four five six when he was coming in and he's drafted a couple years ago.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some people compare him to Cameron Jordan, do a size motor and well rounded playing style.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'd like to get a cam Jordan.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things here, CK, we'll just leave.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll start with this, Jalen Phillips had 44 pressures in nine games for the Eagles.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: In a defense that does not blitz, that required a deptness in space when person wrote all kinds of moves to get to the quarterback.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a 19.19% pressure rate, which is among the top of the NFL.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: going back I think he's a year younger than what Brian Burns is a lot of people ultimately here is the question is was the price to steep given his and what are your concerns when it comes to his injury history?
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's certainly rich and it did bring back I was looking at it in the you know heaven one of the highest pressurades but not really getting home very often
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: certainly brought back the idea of like, well, okay, so we're we're going with a more injury prone version of Brian Burton's with this guy, but I will tell you the dude, he plays the party doesn't very well, you know, in the very small amount of stuff that I saw on him,
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do worry that he needs to have a defense that takes the attention away from him potentially to be able to actually get home.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you pair him with Scorton, any of these young guys, anybody else.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think these guys are going to be able to get home significantly more frequently than we did last year.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I do worry about the overpay here, but I am excited that we were not what I hate what I would have hated have happened yesterday was for this to be news that we got and then another reports said hold the phone the Panthers lost another free agent.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and they were, you know, two to another team because they were using us as leverage for another squad to get a little bit more money like we lost Milton to the Patriots, right?
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, but I do love the move because these two things allowed us to be able to go into the draft with the philosophy of
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: either best player available, or maybe we can make the decision to start trading down and go for a plethora of picks as opposed to picking their in the first round.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we move up.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know if there's anybody that we're in love with or not, but I think these two moves this move in particular helps solidify our ability to move into the
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really concerned about this overpay right now if it is is ultimately if this player works out and he is a you know a strong immediate contributor to the defense who cares about the money you know is is spread out over what we say four years for your contract you know I mean right yeah I mean you're paying a high-end but you know that's what you do in for agency and on top of that comparing it to which I mean you can look at what he's making
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is like, I mean, Nick Voses making 34 million TJ Watts 28, Brian Burns is 28.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can say, oh, well, we can pay Brian Burns.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, one, we didn't have the ability at that time to pay Brian Burns.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, somehow we made this ability.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about how they've done some of those things in the background.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like, it's like, look, if we're just, look, we've wanted to carry the Carolina Panthers to be aggressive and active in free agency and go into our entire lives.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why the way?
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so like, why, well, you know, I'm not complaining about this.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I also, we're in a different time and error.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think it's really useful or valid to compare it to what we could have kept Brian Burns.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we would have been in this situation.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Brian Burns did put up good numbers in this past season.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: on top of that, you know, you got to pay to play and some people, I saw Cody talking about this on Twitter is that when you are a team like the Carolina Panthers, you might have to pay more than another team that is chasing a super bowl or something or, you know, you've got to get these guys here and make some consistency over time.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that good, but I'm not fretting over the money.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now I do, I would say is like, hey,
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: If this turns into continued like the injury problem, which is, this isn't just injuries in the pros, these injuries have span back to college that is concerning.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did play a full season and we've seen guys turn the corner.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could look at J.C. Horn, people are going to worry about injuries, becoming a problem for him.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And those were freaky injuries, but he has seemingly
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, gotten back on track.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I like this.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought Dan Morgan crushed free agency.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And really, if you overpay that leads us to the next part of Carolina Panthers, the Carolina Panthers free agent acquisitions.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's Dev and Lloyd.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: But before we do that, let's get into let's hit this up.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: As we've got white chocolate espresso in the house who has been a C3
• 15:35
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• 15:41
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• 15:44
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• 15:48
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• 15:50
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• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you with a generous $5.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He knows how to get to the quarterback, but doesn't quite know what to do with the quarterback when he gets there talking about Jalen Phillips
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Disruptive.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've saw that and you know, it could come together.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're starting to put him.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's some people have referred to this as this is a guy like his ever-host kind of trying to build a Nick Fangeo style defense and he really thrived when he went to In those 10 games or nine games when it came to the Eagles and you know, is that good players around him?
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is Derek Brad.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think your your right is look.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see the Carolina Panthers
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh, when they've done these things and reiterate or like reconstructed, maybe offensive line a couple of years in free agency, then they'd be, you know, they tended to go defense more heavy in the draft in certain ways, or when they went defense, or offense last year in free agency, it's right, is that this really balanced draft, but I do think that the Carolina Panthers probably aren't going to make a ton
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in the early in the draft or maybe in free agency, they're going to have to continue to work on some things and try to develop it.
• 17:14
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• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I keep telling folks pressures are greater than sex and that what we all that we do know is that they matter.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're like we used to talk about it with Brian Barnes all the time.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that disruption?
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: at some point it leads to other guys getting sacks and pressures and helping them out.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So everybody is called for the Carolina Panthers, including Dan Morgan to improve that past rush and they made it their number one priority free agency and the other priority was that line back
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: a long history after a long history C. K. of the Carolina Panthers being just stacked in excellent at the the linebacker position group overall, but also at that metal linebacker position you go and back to Dan Morgan as a player.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You go fast forward to the to the John Beeson to Luke Keakley and there's always been a sort of tandem.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Carolina Panthers, what many people believe and as this individual wrote, this was Dalton Wasserman.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dalton Wasserman said, the signing of Devon Lloyd.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the best if not the best signing in free agency so far the Carolina Panthers were able to land I mean and I think this was I didn't see this coming to be honest.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I knew the Carolina Panthers wanted to improve this position but to get the top free agent at a ultimately a steal
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three years, $45 million deal, $25 million in guaranteed.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people thought he was gonna make 19 to 20 million a year, but they kept him in the building that got the deal done.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: This was not a Milton William situation where you start in a court somebody wanted to get him and then somebody else was able to pay a more.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Last year, CK had breakout, Pro Bowl, and he was a second team all proceeds and he had five interceptions including a 99 yard pick six
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Analysts expected Lloyd to command about 20 million per year getting he's a 27 year old all pro at 15 million a year is being hailed as a steal that really offsets the gamble or the expensive price of Philips and Morgan knew this is a former linebacker himself Finally trying to fix this position group.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a coverage linebacker.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching so much as clips You know, he's I don't feel like
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is, I feel like he is positional, like if I was just going to describe what his great attribute was, it's not that he was the fastest to the tackle to me.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't seem like he was, you know, I wasn't seeing some of those giant hits that we saw from like a Thomas did, it was really cutely.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was, some people say kind of a slow first step reaction, but,
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: If I was going to say, look, is what does this guy really do?
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it is a positionally aware?
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: These, like, it's, he seems to be playing smart football out there and putting himself in position to where he's not getting burned.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's, you know, he's, he's, he's helping out with the run.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's getting, he's getting pressures on the quarterback.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he's positionally aware and he's playing that smart football.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what's led to these interceptions.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... he's just in the right spot getting these ball so deven Lloyd tell us which take about this signing right here brother i mean i've been saying it we needed to go make a splash when it comes to the linebacker uh... position now granted technically these are two linebackers that we got it's just once an edge linebacker but this being a guy who's an off-the-ball linebacker who seems to do well and and you know he's one of the most room
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, round it linebackers in the league coming in with a, I think it's PFF score is like 78 and coverage in like 83 and stop in the run.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, in what I'm excited about with what we're seeing with this guy is that.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: we're getting a guy who doesn't just excel at one thing and it reminds you of like one of those cerebral style players that can find a way to be an effective player at any point in the game whether they're in a pass rushing down or whether they're stopping the run or any of those things and I think that's what we've been missing when we knew that there was a deep when the offense
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: to be running the ball, we couldn't stop them.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: When the game was on the line, they're in that final, in the last, they're towards the back half of the season.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like we couldn't do anything, when we knew what they were going to do, and when we were talking about the Rams game and the playoffs, we knew they were passing the ball, and we couldn't stop them, and again, many of us were blaming ever for that.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you get a guy like this.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: on the roster.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you can fix many of those problems when there's a dude who can communicate can, you know, can be the leader on the defense.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't mean traveling wall is couldn't be that guy.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think having a guy like this to learn behind certainly couldn't hurt, especially
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, being that, you know, Trevor Wallace is still under contract what for two more years.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's worth seeing where these guys go and how they develop.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think this is an exciting signing for me again.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is probably, this one might be even more so exciting to me than the jail and full of signing.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things, though, I think, like what I like about these players, or is, well, first, we went out and got guys that we didn't kind of have to negotiate the field is like, we win.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: We knew we were trying to get these guys and we got kind of the blue chip players, not.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: these mid-laying resigns that are retreads or we can get by with this.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, think of like, this is no Justin Houston in his aging or clowny, right?
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even though we know white chocolate espresso loves clowny and really actually was decent player for us and stuff is that you went, you went and spent the money and you got the guys finally.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Finally, finally, finally, finally, as Carolina Panther fans,
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: of free agency.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But another cool thing about this is these guys is like you can just look at stats alone.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, these stats are important too.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they've got strong statistics.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the time and the place of where these statistics happens, I think is important.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do they happen in big moments in close games at what point in the game?
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you get those
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Phillips is kind of like that close his sex that came at clutch moments.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had in the final
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: frame of the sea basically the final quarter in the fourth quarter, a Phillips recorded 16 tackles out of those, what do we say?
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had 53 16 of those tackles came in fourth quarter, two out of his five sex came in the fourth quarter.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when games were within seven points during the fourth quarter, his efficiency was high, right?
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, um,
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's had famously sealed a 2023 victory against the chargers with the split sack on 4th and 12.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when he was with the Eagles, he made a game-saving tackle on 4th and 1 against Josh Jacobs with less than 90 seconds to beat the Packers.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: and he finished 2025 with 73 pretotal pressures, ninth among edge wrestlers.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So a significant portion of those came in late games, and if you go to David Lloyd as well, Lloyd's production and close games,
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: was to find by his ability to take the ball away.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Lloyd recorded 11 tackles and a critical interception in the fourth quarter and 20, uh, it made these fourth quarter close games, right, and 20 25 season.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was defined by these big plays, pure not over pure just pure tackle volume.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: and games decided by seven points or fewer.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He recorded 24 tackles, one and a half sex, and three interceptions.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're talking about, look, he had six takeaways in 2025.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: This included the one that everybody loves to reference a 99 yard pick six against the chiefs in a 31 to 28 victory.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had two interceptions against the 49ers in a five point win close big games big moments and they show an up.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I like this is not as you're not just getting players that stats that are the racket of stats in garbage to not garbage time put in big blowouts or something.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: These guys were different make difference makers that help their teams get to the playoffs.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that's the most important part to me.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's when the game was on the line, these guys filled up and a few of those games this year, mainly Devon Lloyd, like you said, you're talking about that, and I think that you're right.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the people are gonna,
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: focus on those big time games and I think there's a reason why there's a reason, you know, when we look at what this defense did when J.C. horn went out, it was just like there was nobody that could fix the problem that we had or whatever what that reason is I don't know, but we couldn't figure it out and they let this that that Rams team go down and score touchdown so quickly that it was just like it felt like we had.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: given up, there was nothing that we were doing to try to fight them.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I like having a guy like this who in big moments find a way to put it together.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's incredible.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's only going to be helpful for us when we're talking about being in a big time game again, which I think we all after these signings are feeling like this team is poised for another push to win the NFC South.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be looking around at what some of our NFC South opponents did in free agency and if they're how they're getting better.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of saw a lot of Atlanta Falcons fans fretting over the two attack of a low-assiding.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Michael Pinnock's junior cousin on for injury, my two attack of a low had never was always being injured.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think there's still, I don't know if Kirk Cousins is officially on free if they cut him or what.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, what's going on with the Kirk cousin.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I have to do some research with that.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put a head.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to start.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll take some calls early.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: See, gay before we just cover the full ground of free agency and see what these fans have to say about free agency and the Carolina Panthers activity in that.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you guys want to be a part of the show, you can call in right now at two five two two two eight.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: 50, 98, that's 25, 2, 2, 2, 8, 50, 98, and let's see, let's go ahead and get into some calls.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what do your thoughts on Catcoin?
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's pretty sh**t. It shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And how do that make you feel?
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: Very uncomfortable.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do you think Catcoin makes the person feel?
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: It feels good, like, three and a four and a four.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yo, yo, yo, what's up, so you can get to hit me from Charlotte.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hope your boys are having a good Tuesday, man.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, man.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Dan Morgan, man.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Dan Morgan.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Love this guy, man.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: What a day one, man.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my goodness.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: We were having shows, you know, discussing like, would we even be able to pay?
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: an edge rusher get one of the top three guys what do you do like there's risk in that and then it's like well could heaven Lloyd be the signing Dan Morgan says
• 30:25
  [UNKNOWN]: up.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tony, I was, well, I'm not here anything are you, but here's.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: One second.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess Tony got muted.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it might have been my sound because he wasn't reacting.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm guessing there's something to go on with him.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll let to we'll hear the we'll listen to that that call again since we got cut off in the middle of it.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we're back.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: My bad.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I had to restart my soundboard.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just shorted out here.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Got to back into pro pro roller last year.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Third time.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: keep a second team all pro pro bowler last year.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Third time in history, we signed a player coming off a pro bowl season and an all pro season.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely unbelievable men.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Devon Lloyd was my number one for age and I wanted.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting his jersey for sure.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: who drafted in the Fangio system, Miami, it's traded to the Fangio system.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And now, for the next four years, and potentially longer will be in a Fangio system.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, I have to hold runs.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: These two guys, we just pulled off.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I tweeted it, tweeted it out.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: These two guys were ranked
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Number one, two and three out of the top 150 free agents.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just unbelievable work by Dan Morgan.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: No other words to say, we'll see what he does today.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure they'll probably a move made here there by the time you know, y'all are potting tonight at nine, but I'm so pumped for this season.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels so great to have a front office that is,
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: We just have, we have a plan and we have a future like this just feels so good.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so happy for the fans.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I tweeted out like, Dave like today, our warden for all the hard times we go through, when did we ever think Carolina would be a free agent destination?
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Or the fact that we could land two of the top three free agents out of the top 150 on the big ward, just outstanding men.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing too, these contracts are, hey, let's see you do it.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: like Devon Lloyd, and because of the low guarantees, we may send you and give you more guarantees over time.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely phenomenal.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And things from Charlotte, keep motherfuckin' pounded.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, hopefully the sound is working.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that sounded good, that sounded good.
• 33:28
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• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... hopefully we were not just listening to we were listened to the call and they weren't but uh... i like what they said we got a plan you know damn working really didn't hide anything you know he's gonna go after he wanted to make he did exactly what he said it was gonna do when after but he did go after premium players this time
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: He did have up for premium players, he wouldn't have for guys that, but here's something that I think, you know, is an interesting concept, as I'd heard, you know, I ended up after free agency yesterday, I read down low to decks, not on it all the time, so don't be expecting me to be like, oh, since stuff or anything like that, it's just for days like today, but I wonder if.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: those people who were like when we were getting ready to go into the into the playoffs right a lot of people were like we need to we should have just lost this is a waste we shouldn't we shouldn't be even in the playoffs we were negative like we were there's a lot of negative people who were looking at that playoff push is like a detriment to our future right because we're not gonna have a high draft pick we're gonna have kind of a middle of the road
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm telling you when I get money talks don't get me wrong, but I am telling you like being like playoff contender is a reason why some of these guys decided to sign with Carolina You know, and that's that's not to say that they think we're going to go win the super roll or that I even think we're on the press of that But I'm telling you that like to say that that's not a considering fact or a way that people consider who they're going to I just think that the tanking idea would have made these signings
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nolan, whether it was me no shot that we're getting these guys if we didn't.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so that that playoff push no matter what you think about it is the reason Dan Morgan and these players decided that the Panthers were the rights fit for them, you know, beyond the money.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're getting paid good money.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, even that, I'm not sitting here saying that money didn't play a factor, but I'm telling you, I guarantee you they turned down money from worse teams than we did than we were because of the fact that it would be a worse team.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's worth acknowledging that and understanding that the way we finished last year and the way we looked competitive in the actual playoffs.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: is a really big reason why we were able to land.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: In my opinion, franchise altering defensive players to put on a defense that was struggling last year.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we had talked about last year ever.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have any excuses, right?
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he showed up more than I was given him credit for throughout the year.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I still blame him for much of what happened there in the playoffs with the staffer, and then able to just drive down the field like it was, we were, you know, a hot knife through butter.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But,
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: this is this is in my opinion this is like dude you've got it off the off the you have a outside linebacker it was proven to be able to get at least some pressure on a quarter back if you can't generate that pressure for your defense
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's it there are no more excuses forever at this point.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can't Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw a why chocolate espresso saying we're having brought up Phillips injuries It might be talking about people in the chat necessarily, but yeah Jailin Phillips has dealt with a significant injuries in his past so there is a risk with that right?
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a risk with any player some breaking news right now to kind of in the last hour the Carolina Panthers
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: have agreed to terms with offensive tackle stone fourth site who was in Seattle with Dave canales, but he started he got a starting gig last year in Las Vegas.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't be super excited about that necessarily because he allowed 11 sacks and 13 games.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: he was 89 out of 89 in offensive tackles according to pff made him this made him the most sacked tackle in the league relative to his foot peers finished with a 55.2 overall grade placing him 76 overall against.
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh, it just overall in tackles.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: He passed blocking was 78th out of 89 run block was 69th out of 89.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was flagged five times over the course of season.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He played a total of seven hundred enforced snaps, though, roughly 71% we know that you know Smith struggled behind that offensive line, but the Carolina Panthers having to make some moves on this offensive line.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got some
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: as other dealing with the aftermath of a chemical water.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to the hope dealer.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: See what he's got to say about these free agent signings.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: C. K. Tony Dunn the C. 3 Legion is the hope that the check in the real quick conviction.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: The word of the day is conviction.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I got a lot to say.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's might be a true column.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so proud of Dan Morgan.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: He had conviction and he went out there and got a couple of dogs.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: He got a couple of dogs and Jaylin Phillips and Devon Loley.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's talk about Jaylin Phillips real quick.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Dan Morgan said on record yesterday that he believes that they got the best free agent.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm hearing people talk about an overpay with Jaylin Phillips.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: pressures are greater than sex.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've said it before and I say it again.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: $30 million a year now is becoming the norm for premium past pressures.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you pay these positions not for what they've done but what they're gonna do.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Jalen Phillips is ninth and press a pressure percentage out of
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's a scheme fit for Everrow's scheme.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's proven when healthy.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's a great run stopper.
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he will give our other pass rushers like Nick Scorton opportunities.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Don't got to remember that the salary cap keeps going up.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is not an overpay to me.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is the norm, the new norm for premium pass rushers.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is the whole village.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm going to call back because I want to address a couple of other things.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to call back.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got hope dealer coming in with another short call right here.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back to the hope deal with numbers two.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Jaylin Phillips.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: I got to remember that pressure creates turnovers.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you look at Jaylin Phillips film.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: He might not have had a whole lot of sex in his career, but that dude is at this rupture.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: And when you put him on one side and you put Nick Scorton on the other side and you get Derek Brown in the middle of that line.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Man, they're going to be making all kind of havoc in both the run game and the past game, but hey, I did it one of the sake, because I talked about Devon Lloyd last week, y'all remember, I'm fired up about that.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: We got us a true linebacker, TFF's number two ranked linebacker.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Devon Lloyd is a Carolina Panther baby.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: How you like that big, strong, fast, soft mind, the top mind, linebacker, signed that guy, man, I'm fired up about that.
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: But hey, one other thing, y'all, can you pick it?
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I want to get y'all thoughts on this.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I know, can you pick it?
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: Hasn't been that great.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: But at only 27 years of age, you know, they can nowless.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: He hasn't had a chance to really develop anybody.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: And Kenny Pickett was a former first round pick.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I think with what they've can now have given a play column.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: That may actually have a positive effect on Kenny Pickett's development as our backup.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I know someone you're deal.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: But give me your thoughts on that, man.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: On Kenny Pickett.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: If y'all hadn't already talked about it.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: But once again, Mr. Hope Della, man, everybody stay hopeful out there.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Free Asia, see ya, see ya, baby.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: We make a move, baby.
• 42:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Tee!
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: What a great call.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hope dealer will appreciate the support man.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have a perfect segue to go to the handy back up.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: You might not have big hands, but he might come in handy.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kenny Pickett has reached the deal with the Carolina Panthers or one year deal.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to probably pay out $7.5 million for million guaranteed if he's on the team.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he's going to fulfill that whole contract throughout the year.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, provide some veteran depth behind Bryce Young, but still young, can you pick it is like, I think he's capable of playing the little, right?
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think you remember, they've kind of funny thing about this or the irony is you go back to, um,
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: ultimately there is a connection between the Carolina Panthers and pick it and that was in the year that we drafted a Kim Aquano the Carolina Panthers were really scouting that was the Malik Willis that were the Malik who would have thought that year was going to be out of all the people that came out that year which was like a young and be wrong.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was probably one of the worst
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, the past 15 years.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But to think that Malik Willis was going to be the first one to get an opportunity with a pretty heck of a decent contract to for a guy who who didn't really have to do a lot to earn that last year by coming in for a few games and putting up some crazy stats.
• 43:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we had, we have a, you know, a group chat and, you know, Greg had popped in to talk about Kenny Pickett's record as a QB and it was like 35 and 12 or something like that.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: which by the way, so and it's bad that he's way of trolling because it's so you know, in genuine.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, because he was on the because he's been a backup since he's left the this dealers.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and so it's like he was he has no he has not contributed in any way what's wherever to any team that he's been a starter on.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a good developmental opportunity and having a guy who does have some starting, you know, some starting experience.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this is again, this is one of the most least exciting backup, you know, signings that I've ever heard about.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I would have preferred James Winston or any other person, you know, other than can you pick it?
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can you pick it is?
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, is, uh, is very possibly going to be like, yeah, some people are already talking about it.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He might be a, you can't, he might be a camp, uh, a camp body or something along those lines.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would almost prefer Dalton over, can you pick it?
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I'd, I'd kind of disagree on this one.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go the other way, is I think that when you have a back, like when you're developing a team, particularly in trying to develop a your franchise quarterback or, you know, kind of
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like what Cam Newton couldn't be a backup quarterback for a team, right?
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's just his presence is so big, is there any time that that quarterback makes him a stake, you're sitting here going, oh, man, what should we go to the number two?
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you should have a clear definition of like who your number one is.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or I think there's some helpful things to where there isn't that that like real competition you have competitions between quarterbacks two and three, not between one and two, right?
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And but you also have had a guy who has had starting experience in the league.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that if you know, if Bryce were to experience some, you know, a couple of a quarter he goes out or game he goes out, I don't think you're completely dead in the water when it comes to having Kenny pick it around, right?
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think, you know, younger, cheaper option and there is, like we said, is that going back to this connection when it comes to the Carolina Panthers is that pick it had committed to play for Matt rule when he was at Temple and eventually he had a flip to Pittsburgh to Pittsburgh.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when 2022 draft rolled around, rule was kind of in that high pressure situation trying to find a quarterback and they were like kind of stalling on the same Donald experiment, but, you know, Scott Fitter pin back at do they went on that brain that.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: kind of go and like scouting these quarterbacks when it came to Malik Willis.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly, we were kind of thinking that Malik Willis could be an option and he signed a three-year deal with the dolphins.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think either of these guys.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a real risky move for the dolphins.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know how it's going to pay off, but Malik Willis
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, drafted, I think he was the number one quarterback taking.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Pickett was taking first, maybe was, but both of those guys were the quarterbacks that went first, struggle, you know, didn't get the footing with the Titans goes back up and green Bay comes in and over a few games didn't throw the ball much, but made some plays and they, you know, they didn't shit the bed when he was at the helm and that landed him an opportunity to start in what the dolphins are rebuilding again.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the big deal was the obsession with Kenny Pickett's small hands eight and a half And you know what it did actually it looks like it.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have the biggest arm right I mean he you can see the field well Seems like but he made he's not an elite quarterback by any means and funny too is that Fortunately the Panthers did pass on Kenny Pickett went with a Kim Aquano
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Kim McWarner now is dealing with this injury.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So now, Kenny Pickett's in Carolina.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I love about this, well, they said there was concerns because he has a double-joined thumbs and fumbling and cold weather.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things I like about this is that Kenny Pickett is not the first gloved quarterback for the Carolina Panthers.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget, oh, David Carr.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: who when he started fumbling the ball lots switch to wearing a glove on his throwing hands so interesting there can you think it but I do I mean I'm okay with this because this means it's like price young there's no I mean I don't think is look was we've said damn Morgan said price young to my guy right and and and he really should be right he's continued
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Panthers have invested a lot in Bryce Young.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's progressing and getting better.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like over the last two years.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, he played.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was a big port of the Carolina Panthers making the playoff this year.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: While there were a lot of games where the statistics just weren't there or weren't impressive low, 150, 160 yards pass.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: The turnovers went down for Bryce Young, the wins went up and the wins are favorable for Bryce Young's development.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think Kenny Pickett is a kind of a good guy to have.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a body.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not, you know, is you don't want your backup quarterback play it and I don't think that Andy don't.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's hit a wall.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's stalled.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think right now I haven't seen any news about any of the teams that.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're looking for maybe a potential veteran position have gone after Andy Dalton.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, Gino Smith is now with the jets with Frank Reich and that offensive lot that you know, so is two is with the Falcons and so you're looking at some of these Andy Dalton has not been.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about with rather Joe Flacco Andy Dalton this that when it comes to a backup.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to back up the play.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kenny Pickett, the gloved warrior playin' for the Carolina Panthers, younger, cheaper option at the backup quarterback, but really this is all about Bryce Jones continued development.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back to the phone lines, 2-5-2-2-8-50-98 join the conversation.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: two days in the legal tampering period.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's your boy out in Seattle the best in the West.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: Nick, how y'all doing.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: Tony, my brother.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, I'm coming out to Carolina and July.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I'll be out here.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I tried to code code.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all right.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: My bad guys.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cody was just texting me during the show and I texted him back.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's Tuesday, boys, happy.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: We miss you.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: Two days in the legal tampering period.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's your boy out in Seattle, the best in the West.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Nick, how y'all doing?
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: Tony, my brother.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, I'm coming out to Carolina and July and I'll be out your way.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Tony, check your Twitter.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's get together.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, always a pleasure.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for doing what you do.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: Your voice is beautiful, my friend.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right a couple of days always I mean Dan Morgan's been looking right like even up in the kitchen with with the paprika with with the onion heat in there making the masterpiece because The last we was last time we got three off season in a row where it'd be getting a legal pampering We're like, okay, I see you GM.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: I see what you're doing like how many times we've been like damn We could really use a left tackle.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go fight a bunch of money on a back-up corner like that's been ammo for years, right?
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like the scene Dan Morgan actually taking the history of Carolina into account and really delivering on the things that makes it seem better.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like first couple of seasons, we gave up a lot to get Bryce so Dan's been everything he can to maximize Bryce.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: put some talent around them, beef up that offensive line, give him a running game, then what other than a running game, what's the benefit and offensive line with the best thing you can import it back to house?
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: Strong defense.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: And now we got that, but think about it, these types of money anywhere, and Dan Morgan and Dave Dallas have a buy and didn't know and tell a line up for this.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Carolina dancers.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: And Dan, it feels good.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Kevin Lloyd is, I mean, he had as many tricks as Jason Moore did last year, and he's the middle line backer.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's he's a stud.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: I remember like it.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm coming out of college.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: She's he's a good player.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: Jalen Phillips.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now it's really depends on how you like, you know, how you break up your football boys.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: If you're like from myself, I like the flat, I like the flashy staff.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: I like the fact that I like interceptions, like forced funbbled.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: But in today's stage with the nuance and advanced metrics, advanced staff, pressures, pressure, win rate.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's kind of stuff.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: Jaylet Phillips, he does his deliverers kind of sacks, but he gets a ton of pressure, and he's been one of the best at getting pressure on a quarterback since he's been in the NFL.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he's the baller.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to open up room for Nick sport.
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to open up room for principally.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to open up room for Derek Brown.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: First two of them, two biggest losses we needed to shed.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: And pressure off fall back.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: Boom, so now we got them.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: Got me best to one out there.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: Amazing.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now we can go to the draft next month.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: Obviously, we can still have more to do in free agency, right?
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: But the drafts next month be really.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm appreciate the call.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will be monitoring Twitter.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We love to meet up with our friends in our C3 family out there.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just read this as CK is the Carolina Panthers where some of the big top spinners.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were top three.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Titan spent $283 million for in free agency
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: the Panthers at 172 and a half million.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll talk about this just briefly.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll mention this.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: We started.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking in the show a little bit of Max Crosby, right?
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is some of the news.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let me see.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got Max Crosby in here somewhere.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Ravens are back at Gout of the Max Crosby trade after agreeing to send two first round picks as he has failed his physical concerns with his knee.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw this though, his Adam Farrow, Adam Farrow NFL, he tweeted,
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Raiders can't afford to take Max cross-be back with the players that they've verbally agreed to terms with.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: They may have to back out out of contracts if they're unable to find a trade partner quickly.
• 54:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You want to talk about the value declining right here is you could get Max cross-be right now probably for pennies on the dollar because this could disrupt
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: their free agency plan, but as we go back and just kind of segue this to the Carolina Panthers, is somebody put this Sean McCray put this is our three free agent acquisitions are all former first round picks.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I would say that Dan Morgan, you know, we can have some concerns, I saw even just Cody tweeting out about the offensive line backsliding.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, is Dan Morgan is executed and like we're not, unfortunately, we're not in a situation like how many do you mean like we, we missed him, Milton Williams in the past.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've had moments, per Shard Brelin was a was a, I think it was per Shard Brelin that we went.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We signed and he got a golf ball to the foot on vacation.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it failed the physical or something like that.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then we had to go with, we went to the Dauntary Poe route and you had to really pivot and quickly this is throws a bomb probably in the Raiders plans of how they're they're trying to navigate this free agency in the aftermath of just an incredibly terrible season right and not off off to a very Raiderish start.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: for the Kerala line of pay I met for the for the the creators that's that's that's such a wild thing to have happen for for a guy I mean they like and I get it it was a it you know we're trying to bet it was a high risk I reward you know opportunity for Baltimore to to shore up a defense that
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: was largely considered the reason they weren't competing last year having, you know, brought in some pretty big names of the year, you know, that year they, they had brought in Jair, Alexander, and that who it was that they brought in, you know, to try to shore things up, and that didn't tend to that didn't, but, you know, didn't end up working out too well.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a it's it is very interesting to see this thing fall through the way that it did because it does not feel It feels like it just comes out and you know came out of nowhere, you know This is interesting Cody just sent me he just texted me a tweet from Jason locking for he says Jason locking for a just got off the phone with two GMs Neither one of them buying the Ravens failed physical narrative not by a long shot
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: good luck finding agents and teams to trust you in negotiations now it's either not sitting well with the Raiders either uh... could have got further medicals on crawls me way sooner uh... interesting right is like what will be the backlash you know is like i mean this really does screw the Raiders offseason plants where they could back out significantly yeah
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, is that this trade has, you know, I guess been a week.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But since we've heard this news, maybe you're close to it, where where was this prior?
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: How about a lesson to GM's out there, making these big trades?
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is you better get all of that medical stuff hashed out before the first day of free agency?
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that goes for the team sending the player to.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They need to have some assurances.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and how do you back out at this moment, you know, uh, the Ravens really through a bomb into this now how are the Carolina Panthers able ultimately to pay this big money when they didn't have any money part of that came with freeing up $10 million in cap space by the release of a Sean Robinson.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: and you know that what they're going to have to do is they're pushing more into the Trovelle Wharton Bobby Brown III.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have to rely on the free agent picks that they spent money on last year while Asian Robinson has been a really strong player.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was like really played up.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: The play just tail off when Derek Brown was injured.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He I think has been a good player for the Carolina Panthers.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it's just can't, you know, you have to find a way to continue to to commit to your vision, your plan, and while he was a good addition and, and Morton had some issues with injuries, Bobby Brown played pretty well, they spent that money last year and they're going to need those guys to produce.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another story, too, of how the Carolina Panthers, part of this is that Kate Mays has now signed with the Detroit Lions, I believe, and the Carolina Panthers had to, and I saw Cody tweeting this out to Cody put out that they had backtracked that the Carolina Panthers are sliding, and they're offensive line after they committed to it two a few years ago
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: and he was referencing the poor play of stone foresight, but the Carolina Panthers also were able to get Luke Fortner out of New Orleans who was having a bounce back here, formally with the Jacksonville Jaguars was traded to the New Orleans Saints.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was acquired.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He played all 17 games, starting the final 10.
• 1:00:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a 66.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And a half overall grade, a 72.
• 1:00:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And a half past blocking.
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: He ranked 7th among all centers.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: He only allowed 11 pressures.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did, oh, he allowed three sex on the season.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... he was pretty good in run blocking he remained disciplined he did the only three penalties over six hundred seventy eight offensive snaps and uh... many people have credited for dinner with preventing the offensive collapse in New Orleans twenty twenty four the saints were on a seven game losing streak after louisie see by ultimately he's
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: a veteran player you had to fill this row.
• 1:00:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I know you can look at four sites as being a problem.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it's this, the bridge guy, how are you going to deal?
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the real problem was a Kim Kwonu who you had just given that fifth year option to and you're committed to it now.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know that he experienced that the devastating injury at the end towards the end of the season.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that, I mean, was it the last game or the, no, it was right near it.
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was the playoff game.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So in the playoffs.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, you can't spend money everywhere, right?
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it would have been wise for you.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what does this tell us about how the Carolina Panthers are positioned in the draft?
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we're going to see Dan Morgan's first offensive line pick in the NFL draft or higher end offensive line picking NFL draft as a GM.
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't seen that yet.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and really what you're hoping, though, is I don't know if I agree entirely with like just allowing the offensive line to to slip out of, can, entirely is that you got Robert Hunt who's going to be coming back.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Damian Lewis, who should have been a pro-bola, right, and played great.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you've got two guards that you really believe you're going to lie, rely on your hope and Taylor moans got another season or two left to him.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the Carolina
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: thinking of how do they continue to address this tackle situation and that I don't how are they going to just go and do everything through free agency?
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a sign that they might be trying to get a strong player in the draft.
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not in the first round necessarily.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they will be looking to add players to that offensive line.
• 1:02:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back to the calls, the numbers 252, 228, 598.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we got Nick up next.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or back.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: Boy, if this Nick out into West Seattle, sorry, I got cut off and finish this up real quick.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: We can go best apparently available next month in the draft, like,
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: We might need a tackle because, you know, Kaila Mounen's getting a little long in the tooth, and, you know, I'm a child you straight up, guys.
• 1:03:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm not a professional athlete.
• 1:03:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: I ruptured both my fatella tendons, and let me tell you, it's quite a recovery.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not some, you know, muscle bound work out warrior to where, you know, he carries around a lot of weight.
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: So, he's probably going to be out for the whole year, so we need another tackle for sure.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe they get another receiver.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe they get, it's kind of an entity from Oregon is there at 19. Who knows, but right now, what I can say for the first time in a long, fine boy, and I'm sure you can agree with me, I fully believe in what Dan Morgan and Dave Finale are cooking, and God damn, it feels good, mixed-eyed to be a Panthers fan again.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: Be proud and brothers.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: a very nice.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is that how is and you know, Dan Morgan has been navigating free agency to the words of old Dave Gettelman, where he used free agency set up the draft so you're not packed into a corner.
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, there were a lot of position needs that we still needed to address and I think he's checking off things on that box.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, is it fully over?
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, there is the draft still to come.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is more free agency.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good thing about the the Fortner pick is he's only getting paid for a million dollars.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're getting a guy that you hopefully believe is going to good start for you for relatively a bargain price.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would not get too locked into the fourth-cyth deal.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know of what the numbers are and
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: command a lot.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Other news too, CK is the Carolina Panthers have brought back David Moore.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it looks to me that while they were talking about trying to continue to add a little speed to that, I think the Carolina Panthers have said we've invested a lot in the receiver group through the draft.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I really think that they're going to be working.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Jalen Coker.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Jalen Coker, I'd tell you this is I feel bad for Jalen Coker.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you are, when you get that, what is the term is exclusive right free agent tender?
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's for players that have under three years that were undrafted, and you know what he's getting paid?
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: The league minimum.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I wouldn't be shocked if they come to some sort of an agreement before the, I mean, it wasn't the already getting the, the league minimum as an under after free agent for the most part.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I guess is that what I just feel like is that Jalen Coker, I think is he should have been able to negotiate as a free agent.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think, I mean, but this is, you know, what is that was important.
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Carolina Panthers were at Bryce and Tramaine and Jalen Coker and what that did is is that that is what if they would have had to try to pay those any of those guys, particularly Jalen Coker that you wouldn't have been able to get.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, any of these free agents and done there.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of a tough side of the business for a Jalen Coke or he's got another year where the Carolina Panthers have them for a bargain price, um, but, uh, I think the Carolina Panthers are signaling this is that.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's guys in that building that they can work with, yeah, in this receiver core is you know David more we didn't see much of him, but you know two years ago he was a contributor for this team, but I think that towards the end of the season you saw the Panthers say, and we got to get Jimmy Horn Jr involved.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that was early on, too, in the season, you know, and he had a big catch, I think, and the first playoff game.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So is that, you know, you can't solve every.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: thing through free agency and what what you're going to do is you're I think you're going to try to get by with Macmillan you're going to hope that Xavier LaGET can kind of get out of that sophomore slump.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Price and tremendous really he showed some flashes of being able to do a lot of different things speed with Jimmy Horn Jr.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the Carolina Panthers people are talking about in the draft might need to be looking for a tight end at that point, right, is that we still have questions there how they're going to do this and how this team is going to come together.
• 1:07:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: So let's go back to the calls we got John B Jenkins up next.
• 1:07:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if any of you guys are on Panthers read it, but some of them were commenting earlier today about we couldn't ever believe anyone that ever put laser eyes on Scott Fitter.
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like Scott, but then when I looked back through all of his acquisitions, I don't know like, I don't know.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why we had it, why we ever hired that guy.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: But anyway, we got Dan, Dan is our man, and Dan has brought in some men, uh, brought in jail of solace, defamed Lloyd, and Kenny, Tyrannosaurus, Rex, armed, hand picket.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, as far as Kenny picket, I'm actually a little excited about him.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you guys remember when the rule and Brady were scout lead dude,
• 1:08:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we were potentially, wasn't it going to be pick it and then we ended up getting horn or is that the wrong?
• 1:08:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, is either pick it and do we get, do we get dirt?
• 1:08:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: Brown that drafts?
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, I can't believe I'm getting this wrong.
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody in the comments is going to be calling that me, I'm sure, but anyway, I'm excited about this, this is your free agent haul.
• 1:09:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure what to think about this guide that we brought in to be center, but we
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: and Dan and Brad know him, sorry, not Dan, Dave and Brad know him, and I guess Dan does too, because he worked in the Seattle organization.
• 1:09:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I'm a super excited, I'll call or not to thank you guys about alternative football.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: Next week, IFL is starting, the NAL will be starting this week.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll just talk to you about it right now, real quick.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: In NAL, I watched that game between
• 1:09:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: and they scored a hundred points on team Mexico.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was embarrassing.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I hope the Dallas Bull sets him practice out of embarrassing those grown men from Mexico.
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: But AFL starts next weekend and it is going to be awesome.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's all I got for right now guys.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: Just glad we've got some awesome Panther-related news talk about and I'm just glad the squadron's
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, as always keep pounded Carolina Panthers, keep pounded Panthers, Rosslaw, go fish, keep pounded C3 Panthers podcast, John B's going to sell.
• 1:10:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we got one more call in the hole right here.
• 1:10:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just knock it out, Joe with the blind panther up next.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, guys, it's the girl that makes from how AKA, Joe with the blind panther.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm so glad we've got terrible.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: out of division and Mike Evans too.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maine, no Maine, I can't tell you how many times a long-tay tail is broken on a heart when he was playing for the eights.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, that don't think we're going to be no more things to us.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got Travis EPN.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now we have two brothers playing in the same division.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: twice a year.
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We already had it once this year.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But my Kevin is out of the division and a long-paced Taylor is out of the conference.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bad part of that is we've fucking lost K-Maze and Rico, but we got Taylor and Phillips and that's a huge get like that is.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we paid him a lot of money too, which maybe we do something about the center and the draft
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got running backs, those are easy to get, but I'm just sad that we did something about our past rust, jailed pillips, and dirt, brown, Jesus Christ, that's all, man, there be a lot of fun.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, guys, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're having a bad day, I saw this to somebody, so I'm stealing that line.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They said, if you're having a bad day, remember this guy's out there.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: If the Ravens is Nate Hamilton underscore defense employer, the year D.P.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if the Ravens happen to trade for Max Crosby, I'll completely shave my head.
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Baltimore with this shaved head picture.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Weird night, Joe person tweeted, Weird night for
• 1:12:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... ravens fans who i met not for for Raiders fans who are dealing with this is Joe person i thought he's got jokes and i wear it he treats weird night for Raiders fans trying to get their heads around the return of max cross be but the loss of stone for sife
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, Joe Purson on the coverage there, and Max Crosby, Tray Henderson, still out there, really kind of a bizarre set of events right now.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Going forward, CK, let's see, final stuff when we think about this is we talked about David Moore.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Carol, they're bringing back Isaiah.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love this move, by the way.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Big yeah, I mean, big big special teams play in the playoff game and I saw Isaiah Simmons Put up like a little angry devil head early on like maybe things were Disappointing in his free a you know trying to find it, but that's a good news that the panthers are able to bring him back
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Max Crosby.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about, uh, I guess we can kind of finish up here.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: See, Kay, really.
• 1:13:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think, um, we're going to have more news coming out as free agency developers.
• 1:13:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: But let's just do quick little look around, uh, the league.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: What actually in free agency?
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: stood out to you, let's see, or as let's see, if we look at Elana Falcons right here, what they have done in their free agency signing.
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jehan Dodson, NYC, why receiver, NYC Fault.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Punter, they had a punter, they were able to get Austin Hooper on a one year cheat deal, Adressor Cameron Thomas for a cheap deal.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who he is.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Two attack of a loa.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: What we got there, I guess.
• 1:14:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So really a lot of cow pits with the franchise tag.
• 1:14:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of Alkins fans are are kind of struggling with that.
• 1:14:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: We like to see them.
• 1:14:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Struggle.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll go down.
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's find the New Orleans Saints now.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: New Orleans Saints got Travis at the end on a four year 52 million dollar deal.
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: David Edwards, offensive guard, Caden Alys.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They lost their corner back though.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who was a departure?
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was his name?
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who's a kind of, I think he got big money and forget where he went.
• 1:14:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan right they got no a fan two year they said they were able to I think they're making a lot of people are excited about the TN I are use are we going to be the Panthers going to be scared of this Chris Alava at the end show Offence I don't think it's that's I think at the end is good player, but I don't think he's I think he's kind of back in you know
• 1:15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: probably an upgrade right now from alley.
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't come far as just disappeared, right?
• 1:15:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I haven't heard, you know, I don't know if he was able to get injury.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he was, he was, I think, run into some injury stuff there in that, uh, in that season last year.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't really know, I mean, the, I mean, it's a good signing form.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have a netty in.
• 1:15:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, but I'm going to be, I'm more interested in that every, every year, the conversation that's going to, I inevitably arise between what, you know, these brothers face in each other and how that, you know, we have, you know, inner, inner division rivals that are brothers.
• 1:16:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I hope, all right, so my earphones popped in like, oh, God, my word going out or something right here.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some interesting, you talk about this is, uh, Ricoh Dowdahl signed a two year 12 million dollar contract with the Steelers.
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if we want to kind of focus on kind of Tampa adjacent news for the Tampa Bay Buck and heirs who have been very quiet in free agency.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: They got Kenneth Gainwell running back, linebacker, Alex and Angelone, they got Angelone.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is pretty okay and they were able to keep Cade out and tie it in for a pretty solid for three or 30 million, 20 million guaranteed.
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the news there is in a departure of Tampa Bay legend.
• 1:16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mike Evans signs a three year deal up to 60 million, 16 million guaranteed with the San Francisco 49ers.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: who are also retained Eddie Piniero for next year.
• 1:17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Tampa Bay with no Mike Evans, that's good for us.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've got a Saints team that has Travis at the end, which is probably difficult for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:17:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Rico Dowd will found a home, Cade Mays found a home.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so any let's see, are there any other free agent stories that stood out to you?
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know Smith traded for the haters to back to the dead student?
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's so, that's a good story right there.
• 1:17:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, the circle of life, right?
• 1:17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the circle of life and I mean, it makes you wonder how into that he was, you know, because that's a,
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: That can't be a place that he was thinking, you know, he would ever go back to.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, let's see.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw this.
• 1:18:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: See, the giants got Isaiah likely.
• 1:18:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tremaine Edmunds, who came from the bears, Greg Newsom.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have two Greg Newsom's on the team.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That can't, that's crazy.
• 1:18:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've got Greg Newsom and Greg Newsom the second they signed.
• 1:18:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what that story is all about.
• 1:18:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I even know what that is.
• 1:18:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's listed there.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: who else made some noise and free agency.
• 1:18:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Malik Willis to the Dolphins.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, did you see that the Los Angeles Rams, man, traded, I think it was two first rounds or a quarterback, Trent McDuffy from the chiefs.
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're able to, I think they had an extra first round pick that they acquired, but they
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: are always looking to send those picks for big players and big names it feels like who else is going.
• 1:18:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kenneth Walker, the third signs with the Kansas City Chiefs, they're trying to say that was the first time they said that in a Super Bowl MVP signed with a team that wasn't the year after that wasn't the team that he was on to win the
• 1:19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, run it back David Montgomery, by the way, went from the lions to the Texans in a trade, I believe, and see Green Bay Packers, Detroit lions got cave maize, uh, Teddy Bridgewater with the Detroit lions.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting there.
• 1:19:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, let's see who else I know that there was
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... de mario davis i think is out uh... was that it was you know linebacker maybe yeah uh... de mario davis was in uh... the same in New Orleans new war not yeah and so that was actually the reason now they signed decayed the jury we are to talk about the kettin kettin Ellis
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 1:20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Kate Nellis, who is actually a pretty standout linebacker for the Falcons last year, signed with the Saints, with a pretty massive, you know, he's a fan, in my opinion, that's going to be a pretty decent replacement for
• 1:20:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: for a Demario Davis to have that loss to be able to replace it with a K-nellows.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: The interesting thing is if I'm not mistaken, the Saints actually drafted him in the seventh round.
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was, I don't know if I would say he was replaced, but he was,
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: he was let go or maybe he was traded and then now the Saints pick him back up again.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's an interesting turn of events that he left the Saints now the Saints and they they let him go and here he is making more money than he ever did with the Saints by the Saints because he played well for a different team.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's Bill Barnwell, winners and losers in free agency.
• 1:21:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He puts the Carolina Panthers with the J.L.M.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Phillips move as a winner.
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He says, wow, I've always been a fan of Phillips game and when he's healthy enough to step on the field or when he is to healthy enough to step on the field.
• 1:21:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Formal writes, I thought he was on the verge of a breakout after his second season in the league.
• 1:21:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... but uh... when twenty twenty one first round pick managed seven sacks and twenty five knockdowns for the dolphins but this career was derelfer second time by injury managed six and a half sacks and eleven knockdowns across eight games and twenty twenty three
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: to only suffer another Achilles injury, Phillips rush back, but towards ACL four games into the season.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the things when you're coming back, but is that one injury and you're kind of trying to compensate and this can cause problems other ways.
• 1:21:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, played a full season.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So considered, he said, I really like what Philos, but it's just incredibly difficult to make
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's never made a pro bowl of managed to even have nine sacks in a season.
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's missed 22 games over his first five season.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He writes, it certainly feels like the Panthers are reacting to what happened last year when they were close to signing star defensive tackle in Milton Williams, only for him to sign with the Patriots, Wharton and Derek Brown, maybe this is a good place and not considered a big, you
• 1:22:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So fun stuff there.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do we hear anything we're missing, C. K. We've talked about Max Crosby.
• 1:22:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about some of the biggest news around the league.
• 1:22:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really think there's anything else that's sticking out to me.
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we've touched based on a lot of it.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think that, you know, we need to
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: start taking a moment to appreciate what Dan Morgan has been for us and continues to be because he has been without question and asset and there's not many moves that you're pointing to and his it is 10 years so far as GM where you're like head scratching like what that didn't
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, there was something that you had, I believe it was you, had been advocating for.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was when we get red over GM, you get red of the head coach, and then you bring two into the same time, and let them have a united vision on how to build this team.
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we did with Dave Canalis and Dan Morgan.
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan was hired.
• 1:23:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was about part of the process and bringing in Dave Canalis.
• 1:23:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this team feels like they have a vision.
• 1:23:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: They have an identity.
• 1:23:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this, the way this offseason has gone, there's not a single, at least in my experience, what I've seen on very limited access to social media.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have not seen any Panthers fans.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: saying that I can't believe we did this.
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe we did that.
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that this makes the draft a lot less stressful about what we do moving forward.
• 1:24:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are not going to be sitting there wondering I mean I really hope this dude falls to us.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really hope this happens.
• 1:24:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really hope this we're going to be able to say going into it.
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, whatever happens, if we can get a law offensive lineman grade, if we can't, then, or if we can't get a merrily, you know, an offensive lineman early in the draft, we don't, we don't have to press a need right now.
• 1:24:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: with I really do think I think it's too generic to say it sometimes, but I really do think we have an opportunity to take that player available.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if any of these like these highly touted players start to fall in the draft, and we can be talking about a really good player coming to Carolina in a position that we may not say is a need right now, but
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: certainly could have an impact on on this team having some depth pieces and having some some things to build around in the future.
• 1:25:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I just wanted to take that moment to appreciate what Dan Morgan's done for the Panthers because I just it's it can't be understated how how valuable he has been to this organization.
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I fully support.
• 1:25:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really excited about this free agency is whether, I mean, there's risks that comes with any free agent move and, you know, where there was a question in my mind is how were the Carolina Panthers really going to be active in this reagency when you looked at the numbers, but the Brant Tillers and Dan Morgan figured out really went got some key players that if, if they do,
• 1:25:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: work out for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:25:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Really can elevate that defense in a place now where you've got young, hopefully players that are going to continue to develop on the offensive of the ball.
• 1:25:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have to continue to monitor the offensive line, how the Carolina Panthers are going to manage that in the wake of the Akimakwana injury.
• 1:26:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: But there is more free agency to go and the draft still is part of this.
• 1:26:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this team is not built on day one of free agency and Superbowls are
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: one on an infre agency is how many times have we looked back at teams that we've said one free agency, but then I haven't, you know, that aren't competitive later in the season.
• 1:26:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that is that you want to and Dan Morgan's made some important moves.
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He fixed the offensive line and proved the defense.
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now is continuing to focus on that defense with an eye of getting young talent.
• 1:26:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: and in the building, I think, on the offensive side of the ball, I did see that Ocho Sinko will be working with Xavier will get to try to unlock some of his potential, you know, Ocho Sinko and fans is at official heat, he called him out, he said, let's work and let's do it.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that an official thing on red it?
• 1:27:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: She in a quick tweeted it or on X.
• 1:27:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I bet I found it on red it is says Xavier LaGate is coming to see him in the offseason.
• 1:27:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's special.
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just needs someone to unlock that special that I can see from far away.
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Excel and Keyon Coleman, he wants, he said, I need those to, you know, and that wasn't sure.
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was your thing, though, it's been, you know, very, it's a game of Panthers fan in a sense, right?
• 1:27:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: He really has.
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 1:27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got his own catch phrase for us now.
• 1:27:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to repeat it because I've been trying to be better, but.
• 1:27:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, the Carolina Panthers or active on day one of free agency and something that we really haven't got to experience is like you said is these are main.
• 1:27:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: The most you're going to say is did the Carolina Paper Panthers overpay for Jalen Phillips.
• 1:27:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: and was it risky because of his injury history?
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But hopefully that one year full season kind of put him on the pathway of really kind of claiming that potential that I'm driving him first round.
• 1:28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got one five.
• 1:28:07
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• 1:28:08
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• 1:28:10
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• 1:28:14
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• 1:28:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up toughen up to get it together.
• 1:28:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody is fair game.
• 1:28:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: C. K. I don't I'll have one.
• 1:28:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stick with one for today.
• 1:28:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing fan.
• 1:28:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually, it's kind of a bizarre story.
• 1:28:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't full.
• 1:28:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if it will come up here on the first try.
• 1:28:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, because we got the
• 1:29:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: remove where is Cody when you don't want to say when you need them as a loving or missing.
• 1:29:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cody can't wait for when you're back here doing this for me because I did outsource it to you for a while.
• 1:29:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: former NFL player as chat gbt for advice after girlfriend's murder prosecutors say uh... prosecutors are using chat gbt jet cheap gp t messages as key pieces of evidence in the murder case against former NFL player daren lee
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Lee is a former linebacker play for Ohio State in the New York Jets.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's charged with first degree murder in the death of his girlfriend Gabriela perpetuo.
• 1:29:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And appeared in court on Monday, uh, details about this is that, uh, embodicam footage lethal deputies.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He did not know what happened.
• 1:29:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
• 1:29:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: wasn't saying anything he said and that's when I called 911 immediately.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what's going on?
• 1:30:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was asleep for a long time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: However, prosecutors presented messages that they say Lee sent to chat GPT the day before perpetua was found dead.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was ultimately, it said that it's being accused that we used AI chat by as a legal advisor, allegedly having dozens of conversations over two day period.
• 1:30:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And to the point of it says this,
• 1:30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like having this in trying to cover up this crime potentially is using AI.
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw another video to show ice up to murder ice up to you know, I guess even planning it in a an account and a device that can be linked to you, not probably the wisest, but don't murder out there ice up.
• 1:30:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see something else I was like, uh, and I don't know if it's true, but it was like this
• 1:30:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: first Snapchat messages and they said that the FBI reported her.
• 1:31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So guys girls the deep states watching you, right?
• 1:31:09
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• 1:31:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't get iced up, right?
• 1:31:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: CK, you got iced up for us?
• 1:31:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, mine is less, you know, I know this is kind of a lighthearted thing, but I'm going to go with a bit of a, you know, one that's a real life lesson.
• 1:31:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we all can take it in my local area.
• 1:31:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he stole out another son and he stole it as wife and all that stuff, right?
• 1:31:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he lost his son.
• 1:31:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it's so traumatic when that happens.
• 1:31:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, it's, it's easy to kind of start to become a little reckless with your own life.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what have you?
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this guy, this past week was just on a motorcycle, doing the most, you know, the irresponsible stuff you think when you're seeing a guy on a motorcycle,
• 1:32:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he ran into a bag of an SUV and he ended up, he wasn't able to, he didn't make it dial on the scene.
• 1:32:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and left his wife and son, uh, who just lost a brother, you know, three months before that and the son, three months before that, you know, uh, for those two.
• 1:32:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, um, I'm just what I'd like to say is, you know, no matter what you're going through,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: just be smart about what you do.
• 1:32:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's what you do.
• 1:32:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: No matter whether you feel like what, you know, your life might be falling apart.
• 1:32:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You might feel like the world would be better without you.
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And things are so much worse when you're gone.
• 1:32:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And don't don't be putting yourself in a position where you're doing something just because you feel like you're invincible.
• 1:33:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you can get away with it or maybe you're going to be able to get out of it.
• 1:33:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not icing that guy up.
• 1:33:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: He paid the ultimate price with that, but I'm icing up the people who maybe are fighting that fight, but just don't really think about things they do before they do it.
• 1:33:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't mean you live scared, but you don't live recklessly in that way.
• 1:33:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So especially when you have so much on the line after having lost us on our ready.
• 1:33:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that being said, that was something to bring the mood down a little bit here before the end of the show.
• 1:33:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 1:33:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks everybody for tuning in.
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back next Tuesday.
• 1:33:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if any big news hits, it's kind of perfect timing for agency just for tonight's show.
• 1:33:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if some big news hits, we might pop up.
• 1:33:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You never know, maybe some short form of contents or some surprise content.
• 1:33:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But definitely back next Tuesday, nine PM to hit you guys with all the Panthers news and opinions from the fan perspective.
• 1:34:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: CK, thanks a lot.
• 1:34:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're out of here.