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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and six, Heather Kwand was a twenty
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  Speaker 2: one year old.
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  Speaker 1: College student living in the small residential town of Desert
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  Speaker 1: Hills in Arison. From a very young age, Heather was
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  Speaker 1: someone who always seemed to give her friendship to the
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  Speaker 1: people who needed it the most, people who were hurting
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  Speaker 1: on the inside or whose society had kind of forgotten about.
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  Speaker 1: This is why, when she was a teenager and a
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  Speaker 1: young adult, she would often spend her weekends volunteering her
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  Speaker 1: time with underprivileged children. It's also why she aspired to
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  Speaker 1: go to law school and become a defense lawyer, because
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  Speaker 1: she loved the idea of professionally helping people that desperately
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  Speaker 1: needed her help. She lived in a rental home with
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend, who was eighteen years old. His name was
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Waller, and amongst other things, he was a huge
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  Speaker 1: gun enthusiast and a student. That year, the couple had
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  Speaker 1: made plans to visit Ryan's father, Don on Christmas Day,
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  Speaker 1: so on December twenty fifth, But when the day came
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  Speaker 1: and Don had made dinner for the couple and was
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  Speaker 1: expecting them, they didn't show up, and so Don tried
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  Speaker 1: contacting both of them, but when he couldn't, he just
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  Speaker 1: had a bad feeling that something was off. It was
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  Speaker 1: just very uncharacteristic of them to just no show. But
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  Speaker 1: instead of driving over to their property himself, Don just
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  Speaker 1: called the local police and asked them to do.
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  Speaker 2: A welfare check.
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  Speaker 1: The police arrived at the house in Desert Hills, Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: They knocked on the door, but there was no answer.
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  Speaker 1: They looked in the windows and some lights were on,
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  Speaker 1: but it was mostly dark inside, and they couldn't really
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  Speaker 1: tell from the car in the driveway if that belonged
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  Speaker 1: to the homeowners or somebody else. And so they stood
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  Speaker 1: there for a second. They're looking in the windows, there's
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  Speaker 1: no movement. They knock again, while simultaneously calling out that hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're the police. We're here to do a welfare check.
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  Speaker 1: Just want to make sure you guys are okay. And
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  Speaker 1: this time, after they were done knocking, they heard the
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  Speaker 1: dead bolt unlocked, and then the door swung inward into
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  Speaker 1: the house, and standing right in front of them was Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan had this huge bruise on his left eye, this
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  Speaker 1: big black eye, and he had a cut on his nose,
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  Speaker 1: and he was just standing there, not saying anything, not
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  Speaker 1: asking any questions, just looking at them. And they looked
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  Speaker 1: past Ryan into his house, and they saw there was
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  Speaker 1: a woman lying on the couch, which they presumed was
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Heather, because that was the two people they
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  Speaker 1: were coming to look for. And so they turned their
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  Speaker 1: attention back to Ryan and they asked him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what happened to your eye? And Ryan was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit he didn't really give them a straight answer. He
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  Speaker 1: basically said, you know, I don't know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what happened to my eye. And you know, the police
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  Speaker 1: didn't really pry that much, but eventually they determined that
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  Speaker 1: Ryan was more or less okay, albeit a little bit strange.
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  Speaker 1: And then they said, okay, well, who's the woman who's
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  Speaker 1: lying on the couch?
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  Speaker 2: Is that Heather? And Ryan again was kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of cagey and a little bit dismissive and said something
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  Speaker 1: along the lines of, oh, you know, she's just sleeping,
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  Speaker 1: And so the police said to him, look, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're here on a welfare check. Your father sent us
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  Speaker 1: here to check on you guys, and so we have
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  Speaker 1: to go in there and wake her up and make
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  Speaker 1: sure she's okay.
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  Speaker 2: And so Ryan again was just a little bit weird.
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  Speaker 1: And kind of defensive and didn't really immediately comply, but
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  Speaker 1: eventually did step out of the way. Then the police
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  Speaker 1: walked into the residence. They walked over to the couch,
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  Speaker 1: and as soon as they looked down at the girl
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  Speaker 1: on the couch, which was Heather, they saw right away
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  Speaker 1: that she was not asleep. She was dead, and she
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  Speaker 1: had been for at least a couple of days. She
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  Speaker 1: had died from a single gunshot wound to the head. Immediately,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan was.
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  Speaker 2: Arrested and brought out to a squad car.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't fight the arrest, but he did emphatic say
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  Speaker 1: he didn't know what was going on. He didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: what was happening, He didn't know what happened to Heather.
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  Speaker 1: He just seemed kind of generally confused, but regardless. He
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  Speaker 1: was thrown in the back of the police car outside
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  Speaker 1: the property, and he would sit there for several hours
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  Speaker 1: while more and more police and paramedics arrived to process
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene and also to transfer Heather's body to
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  Speaker 1: a morgue. Finally, around five am on December twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 1: the police brought Ryan, who was still in the back
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  Speaker 1: of this police car, to the Phoenix.
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  Speaker 2: Police station for questioning.
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  Speaker 1: The interrogation that followed, this hour long interrogation that was
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  Speaker 1: all filmed, would start off relatively normally, but it would
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  Speaker 1: quickly devolve into this totally bizarre back and forth between
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  Speaker 1: Ryan and the detective who was questioning him, and then
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the interrogation, there would be this
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  Speaker 1: stunning revelation. From this point until the end of today's video,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be showing you clips from the actual interrogation.
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  Speaker 1: When you get to the end of this video and
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  Speaker 1: you hear the revelation, and trust me, you will not
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  Speaker 1: miss I would encourage you to then go back and
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  Speaker 1: watch the clips of the interrogation or just go online
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  Speaker 1: and watch the entire interrogation, because it's totally mind blowing
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  Speaker 1: watching this thing knowing what's really going on. In the video,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan is led into this sort of nondescript small interrogation
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  Speaker 1: room at five oh eight am on December twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 1: So he's just arrived at the station. They put him
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  Speaker 1: in this room. He's wearing this white jumpsuit that might
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  Speaker 1: have been issued by police, maybe he owned it, but
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  Speaker 1: it definitely looks more like prison attire. He's got no
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  Speaker 1: shoes on, no socks on, and his hands are not cuffed.
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  Speaker 1: And so he walks into the room and he sits
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  Speaker 1: down in the chair that's in the back corner of
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  Speaker 1: the interrogation room. And this chair is right next to
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  Speaker 1: this table, and then on the other side of this
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  Speaker 1: table is another chair, and so Ryan sits down in
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  Speaker 1: the corner. He's kind of facing out towards the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the room.
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  Speaker 2: He's quiet.
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  Speaker 1: He's basically not moving, and then at some point he
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  Speaker 1: notices there is a handcuff that's connected to this table. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in some cases, the police would handcuff the person they
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  Speaker 1: were interviewing in this room, but in this case, Ryan
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  Speaker 1: was not told that he needed to put this handcuff on.
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  Speaker 2: He was uncuffed, so there was no directive that he
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  Speaker 2: needed to have this handcuff on.
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  Speaker 1: After handcuffing himself to this table, Ryan turns and puts
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  Speaker 1: his arms over this table and he lays down, puts
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  Speaker 1: his head in his arms, and he lays that way
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  Speaker 1: for about five minutes. Periodically he makes a few groaning sounds,
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  Speaker 1: but for the most part he's quiet. And then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, as he's laying there, he suddenly makes
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  Speaker 1: a fairly loud moaning sound, and he stands up in
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  Speaker 1: his chair like he's going to walk out of the room.
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  Speaker 1: But as soon as he starts to walk away, the
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  Speaker 1: handcuff stuck him, the handcuff that he was not told
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  Speaker 1: to put on, and so he's stuck against this table.
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  Speaker 2: But he doesn't seem phazed by it.
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  Speaker 1: He looks almost confused by what's happening, but he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: dwell on it for very long. Instead, he just reaches
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  Speaker 1: across the table and grabs a blank piece of paper,
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  Speaker 1: and then he just sits back down in the seat.
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  Speaker 2: He crosses his legs and he starts looking at this
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  Speaker 2: piece of paper.
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  Speaker 1: At five seventeen AM, so roughly nine minutes into this interrogation,
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  Speaker 1: which really hasn't even started yet, Ryan is intently looking
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  Speaker 1: at this blank piece of paper when a detective walks
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  Speaker 1: into the interrogation room. This detective was named Dalton, and
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  Speaker 1: he informs Ryan that they're going to be taking pictures
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  Speaker 1: of his feet, and so he needs to put his
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  Speaker 1: feet up on the table that's right next to him.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan at first acts very confused and doesn't really understand
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, but he eventually.
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  Speaker 2: Complies and he puts his feet up on the table.
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  Speaker 1: And by the time his feet are up there, another
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  Speaker 1: officer walks into the interrogation room and he's got a
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  Speaker 1: camera and he's got this big kit with him, and
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  Speaker 1: he would begin about a ten minute long process of
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  Speaker 1: photographing Ryan's feet swabbing Ryan's feet. During this ten minute session,
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  Speaker 1: Dalton stays in the room and so Ryan periodically asks
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  Speaker 1: him if he can just leave and go home, seemingly
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  Speaker 1: unaware of how serious this situation really was for him,
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  Speaker 1: and when Dalton would tell him, no, you can't leave,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan would act totally frustrated and kind of angry and upset,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like how a child would act if they
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  Speaker 1: were told they couldn't have something they really wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: At five point twenty eight am, after this ten minute
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  Speaker 1: session is complete and they photographed and swabbed Ryan's feet,
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  Speaker 1: the second officer leaves the room and Dalton shuts the
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  Speaker 1: door behind him, and then he walks over to the
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  Speaker 1: table and he grabs the chair on the other.
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  Speaker 2: Side from Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: He drags it out so it's closer to Ryan, and
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  Speaker 1: then he sits down and introduces himself. After that, he
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  Speaker 1: begins asking Ryan some very basic questions. He asks him
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  Speaker 1: to confirm his name, which he does. He asks him
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  Speaker 1: to confirm his date of birth and his Social Security number,
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  Speaker 1: and Ryan does both those things. And then he asks
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  Speaker 1: Ryan if he understands why he was there, why he
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  Speaker 1: was being interrogated, and Ryan says no, And so at
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  Speaker 1: this point Dalton says, okay, you know, let's just stop
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  Speaker 1: right now. I'm going to read you your rights. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's at this point in the interrogation that Ryan's
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  Speaker 1: behavior starts to get really really weird. After Dalton tells
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  Speaker 1: Ryan he needs to read him his rights, you can
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  Speaker 1: see Ryan doesn't compute what he's saying.
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  Speaker 2: He's just kind of looking blankly.
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  Speaker 1: And Dalton seems to pick up on that, and so
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  Speaker 1: he tries to make it kind of lighthearted and he says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hey, Ryan, I'm going to read your rights
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  Speaker 1: like they do on TV, you know, like on Cops
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  Speaker 1: and on Law and Order and CSI, any of those
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  Speaker 1: crime shows they read people their rights. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do, you know what I'm talking about? And
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  Speaker 1: Ryan just goes no, and Dalton's kind of confused. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you haven't seen any cop show where they read people
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  Speaker 1: their rights? And at this Ryan kind of changes his
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  Speaker 1: behavior and suddenly he's not as robotic. He's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit defensive looking, and he says, oh, yeah, I have Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At this it's pretty obvious to Dalton that Ryan is
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  Speaker 1: lying about something that is totally insignificant. Whether or not
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  Speaker 1: he's seen true crime TV shows, it really just didn't
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  Speaker 1: matter at all. And there's this weird hesitation where both
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  Speaker 1: of them are just going to be in quiet for
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  Speaker 1: a minute. It's like Dalton knows he's lying about it,
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  Speaker 1: and Ryan just seems totally confused. And then ultimately Dalton
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  Speaker 1: just decides to not key in on this kind of
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  Speaker 1: weird lie that Ryan has just told. Instead he just
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  Speaker 1: reads Ryan his rights and then after that he gets
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  Speaker 1: back into some basic questions. The next one was, Hey, Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: what was the highest grade you achieved in school? And
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  Speaker 1: now at this point Ryan is not looking at Dalton,
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  Speaker 1: He's looking to the far side of the room. He's
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  Speaker 1: got this blank expression on, and when he's asked this question,
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  Speaker 1: he just says, I don't know, And Dalton's like, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know what level.
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  Speaker 2: Grade you achieved in school?
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  Speaker 1: And Ryan says, no, I don't know, eight eighth grade.
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  Speaker 1: So again he's changed his answer fairly abruptly when he's challenged,
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  Speaker 1: and so Dalton is probably thinking to himself that he's
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  Speaker 1: lying again. But again, it's just kind of an insignificant thing,
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  Speaker 1: but it's building a pattern of mistrust here. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: for Dalton to believe that Ryan is going to be
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  Speaker 1: truthful if he can't even tell the truth about things
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  Speaker 1: that don't matter, but Dalton decides not to fixate on it. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: he asks a follow up question based on the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Ryan has said eighth grade is the highest level
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  Speaker 1: he achieved, and so Dalton says, okay, well, did you
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  Speaker 1: get your GED? A GED is a high school diploma
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  Speaker 1: equivalent and it's something you would get if you did
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  Speaker 1: not graduate high school. And since eighth grade is below
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  Speaker 1: high school, then Ryan clearly did not.
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  Speaker 2: Finish high school, and so it's a natural question to ask.
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  Speaker 1: The answer to this question is binary, you have a GED,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a GED.
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  Speaker 2: But Ryan's answer is anything but binary.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally contradictory and weird, and it really begins to
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  Speaker 1: show a side of Ryan that just doesn't add up.
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  Speaker 2: He's acting totally weird.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a GED? I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what, I don't know. I don't know. I just
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  Speaker 3: want to go home. Oh you're not going to go
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  Speaker 3: home right now?
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  Speaker 4: What's the highest grade that you completed?
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  Speaker 5: B No, that grade as in letter grade. I'm asking,
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  Speaker 5: did you graduate high school and the highest you went
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  Speaker 5: was eighth grade?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know how to read and write?
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  Speaker 1: Ryan?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: After the discussion about Ryan's education, goes nowhere. Dalton again
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  Speaker 1: does not fixate on all the issues with his answers
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  Speaker 1: so far, and instead just kind of continues asking more questions,
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  Speaker 1: and so he begins to address Heather. He starts by
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  Speaker 1: asking Ryan if he has a girlfriend. Now, Dalton at
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  Speaker 1: this point would know that Heather, the girl who was deceased,
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  Speaker 1: Wasan's girlfriend because the police were asked to do the
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  Speaker 1: initial welfare check on Ryan and Heather the couple. That's
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  Speaker 1: something that Down would have relayed to police, and so
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  Speaker 1: Dalton knows they have a relationship, but he wants Ryan
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  Speaker 1: to tell him he has a relationship with Heather. So
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  Speaker 1: again he asked Ryan, you know, do you have a girlfriend?
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  Speaker 1: And Ryan says no, which is a lie, but Dalton
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  Speaker 1: goes along with it and says, okay, well do you
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  Speaker 1: know a girl named Heather?
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  Speaker 2: And Ryan would say yes, I do.
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  Speaker 1: But his description of Heather was just completely inaccurate. He
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  Speaker 1: said Heather was a sixteen or seventeen year old girl,
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  Speaker 1: even though she was actually twenty one, and he would
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  Speaker 1: say her last name was Kyman.
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  Speaker 2: He thought he wasn't entirely sure.
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  Speaker 1: He said she has nicknames, and she has different names
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  Speaker 1: she uses, but he believes it's Kaymen, even though her last.
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  Speaker 2: Name was actually Kwan. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Dalton, of course is aware of these discrepancies, but again
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  Speaker 1: he does not fixate on them. He just keeps on
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  Speaker 1: asking more questions. Dalton asked Ryan, what happened to your face?
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  Speaker 1: You had this huge bruise on the left side of
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  Speaker 1: your face.
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  Speaker 2: You know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: At first, Ryan says he doesn't know, But when Dalton
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  Speaker 1: pressed him and kept asking more and more questions about
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  Speaker 1: his face and how it happened, Ryan eventually would begin
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  Speaker 1: to open up.
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  Speaker 3: What happened to your face? I don't know, He told
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  Speaker 3: the officer just a few minutes ago, that someone hit you.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember who hit you? I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: think it was Heather. Why would Heather hit you? That's
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  Speaker 3: an accident. I forgot why.
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  Speaker 1: Like the other police officers involved, Dalton believed already going
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  Speaker 1: into this interrogation that Ryan killed Heather, that the bruise
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  Speaker 1: on his face was from Heather fighting back before ultimately
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  Speaker 1: Ryan killed her. And so for Ryan to say the
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  Speaker 1: mark on my face is from Heather, even though he
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  Speaker 1: claimed it was an accident, to Dalton, that was the
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  Speaker 1: same thing as Ryan saying, I can Heather. Dalton attempted
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  Speaker 1: to get more specific details about the actual physical struggle
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  Speaker 1: that took place between Ryan and Heather, but as he
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  Speaker 1: asked more and more questions, he became more and more aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: And it seemed like Ryan picked up on it and became.
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  Speaker 1: Very defensive and started throwing out random pieces of information,
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  Speaker 1: much of which seemed untrue. Like he suggested there was
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  Speaker 1: at least two or three other people that were in
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  Speaker 1: the house on the night that Heather got killed, but
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  Speaker 1: it's unclear if these people were real or if.
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  Speaker 2: They were actually ever there. And it just seemed like
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  Speaker 2: Ryan was kind of panicking and just kind of saying
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of random.
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  Speaker 1: Things, and so at some point Dalton just wants to
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  Speaker 1: focus the conversation because he feels like it's getting totally
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  Speaker 1: out of hand, and so he just stops Ryan and
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  Speaker 1: he says, Ryan, there is a dead girl in your
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  Speaker 1: house and I need information.
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  Speaker 5: Right, huh h, there's a dead girl in your living room.
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  Speaker 3: She's dead, yes, Heather, I don't know. I want to
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  Speaker 3: know what happened in her house last night. The girl
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  Speaker 3: on the pouch is dead. I don't know if she's
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  Speaker 3: on a couch. She's dead.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing about Ryan's reaction to being told by
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  Speaker 1: Dalton for the first time in the interrogation that there
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  Speaker 1: was a dead girl in his house is Ryan reacted
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  Speaker 1: with genuine surprise. It's the only time in the entire
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  Speaker 1: interrogation start to finish where Ryan sits forward in his chair.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: He kind of perks up, and he seems relatively normal.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: He's not acting confused and kind of bizarre. It's like
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: he's really dialed in, as if he had not heard
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: this before, that he didn't know Heather was dead, and
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: he's now for the first time, being told and it
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: shocked a system. But just seconds after he sits forward
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and seems really engaged.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: He goes back to kind of being totally bizarre.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: And he also suddenly had this really elaborate story about
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: what happened to Heather, even though just seconds ago it
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: seemed like he had just learned about it. So it
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: didn't really make any sense that he would have a
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: story so readily available for something he.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Seemed to not know anything about.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: And of course, like all of his other answers, his
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: story he gave was full of contradictions.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: And holes and was just totally unbelievable.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Well, these people came over Riuci and his dad with
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: shooting arrow bow and darts. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: they hit me and her with those. That's it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: They hit you, and they hit you. Yeah, now it's Richie.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: They hit you at Heather, not Richie and his dad.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Richie and his dad, they hit you.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, why because they're trying to get their stuff. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: don't know why. And they had some kind of bow
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and arrows mm hmm. They each had two revolvers and
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: they didn't laugh any shells. Okay, you just said they
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: had bowe and arrows. Now they have revolvers. That's the revolvers.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: They have revolvers, yes, And then what happened and then
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: they shot at.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: The Following this exchange, Ryan would change his story again
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and would say, actually, they didn't shoot me, They just
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: shot Heather. They put me in a sleeper hold. But
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: when Dalton asked him, what do you mean sleeperhold, Ryan said, oh,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what a sleeperhold is. And then eventually
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Ryan would actually just ditch the sleeperhold narrative and go
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: back to the Richie and his father. They came in
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and they shot both of us. At this point, Ryan's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: story has become so convoluted and it's changed so many
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: times that it's just totally unbelievable. And so Dalton, who
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: was doing his best to kind of go along with
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Ryan's story at this point, just can't even pretend anymore.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: He cannot pretend that he's following this story. It doesn't
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: make any sense.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: You're telling me, you're you're all over the board here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Number one.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: You're seeing bows and arrows, you're seeing revolvers, and you're
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: saying that some other thing and they you're saying, they
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: shot you in the eye.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, they shot you.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: With a revol in your eye, yes, And that is
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it a baby gun? No, it was a real gun, man,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: It was just a reset eye.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: With a revolver.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't be talking to me right now. How do
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you know? It was most likely you be dead. That's
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: what I thought too, man. I really don't know. So
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: you got shot first, and what happened? Did you follow
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the ground? Yeah? I was trying to get up and
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I couldn't.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And then she got shot?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: What what did you do? Nothing? Did you call nine
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: one one? Did you see if she was alive. She
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: was sleeping still, and that's it. I just let her sleep.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: She got shot in the side of the face and
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: you let her sleep.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, this does not make sense Ryan.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: After this exchange, Dalton just goes full bad cop on Ryan,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: openly accusing him of she and killing Heather.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And Ryan just continues to say he doesn't.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Know anything, that he didn't do it, and his answers
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: are just totally nonsensical and contradictory, and nothing is making sense.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And so finally, at five point fifty two am, roughly
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes into this interrogation, Dalton is just at
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a loss.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: He does not know how to handle Ryan because even
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: though he really believes he did it, nothing.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Ryan has said has incriminated him, because nothing Ryan has
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: said makes any sense. And so he's sitting there kind
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of thinking what he's going to do next, and then
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Dalton notices something. He notices something on Ryan's face. He
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: tells Ryan to come closer, he needs to look at it,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: lays down, which.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Elais bring, takes closer.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Oh my head hurts, okay, yeah, fear it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Then what Dalton had finally just discovered were four bullet
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: holes in Ryan's face and head. Ryan had committed no crime.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: He was a victim the same way Heather was a victim,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: but somehow Ryan had survived the attack. On December twenty third,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: so two days before the welfare check, two men attempted
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to break into Ryan and Heather's house. They were twenty
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: three year old Richie Carver and his fifty four year
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: old father, Larry Carver, the same Ritchie and Ritchie's father.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: That Ryan had mentioned during the interrogation.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They were there because of an altercation that had occurred
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: between Ritchie and the couple about a month earlier. During
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that time, Richie was actually living with Ryan and Heather,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: but apparently he began hitting on Heather, and Heather told Ryan,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and Ryan got really mad about it, and Ryan and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Richie got in this big fight, and ultimately Ryan kicks
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Richie out of the house. Now, this totally infuriates Ritchie
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and his very embarrassing for Richie, and so right away
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: he begins plotting his revenge. And so on December twenty third,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Ritchie and his father they were there to carry out
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: this revenge plot.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: When the father and son got to the back of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Ryan and Heather's.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: House, Ryan saw them at the back door through the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: glass door that was near their kitchen, and he ran
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: over to try to stop them from getting inside, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Ritchie and Larry managed to barely get open the door,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and Richie reached in with his hand, which was carrying
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a gun, and he shot Ryan point blank twice in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the face. The first bullet went in through his nose
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and then out the other side of his nose, so
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that's the first two bullet holes. And then that bullet
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: traveled back into his head, threw his left eye into his.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Brain where it got lodged, and along.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: With the bullet, six pieces of his skull that broke
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: off from this bullet went inside of his brain as well,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: so that's the first three bullet holes. And then the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: second bullet that was fired into Ryan's head.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Hit the side of his head.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It did not penetrate into his skull, so the bullet
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: didn't lodge anywhere inside of his brain. However, it did
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: break off a piece of his skull, and so that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was the fourth bullet hole. Ryan dropped to the ground.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: He was unconscious. They assumed he was dead. They managed
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to force the door the rest of the way open.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: They stepped inside they stepped over Ryan's body, and they
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: walked into the living room where Heather was towering on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the sofa, and Richie just immediately walked up, put a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: gun to her head, and.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Fired a single shot.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: After she had fallen to the ground, the two men
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: stole some things in the house and then fled the scene.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: They would ultimately get caught, and they're both currently serving
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: life sentences. It's believed Heather died instantly from her gunshot wound,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but Ryan didn't. At some point, maybe a couple of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: hours after he was shot, he woke up, but he
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: had severe brain damage and he wouldn't have known what
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was going on. He didn't really know what happened, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: he saw his girlfriend, Heather, lying on the couch, but
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: he thought she was just sleeping, and so he too
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: went to his bedroom and he fell asleep. But the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: next morning he woke up and he still would have
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on. And he spent
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the day on the twenty fourth just kind of wandering
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: around his house with his girlfriend lying dead on the couch.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And so after a full day of just kind of
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: mindlessly walking around his house, he went back to bed
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and then he got up on Christmas Day on the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, and spent another day just kind of walking
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: about his house with his girlfriend, who he believed was sleeping,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but really she was dead. And so finally the welfare
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: check is called in. The police show up, and as
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: soon as they see Ryan, they jumped to conclusions that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he must have killed Heather, and it kind of dictated
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the way they treated him. Had they believed he was
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a victim, they might have sought medical attention for the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: wound on his face, but again jumping to conclusions and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: assuming he was the killer, they figured that bruce on
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: his face was from the woman fighting back she'd struck
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: him before he had savagely killed her, and so they
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: didn't give him any medical care. Instead, they put him
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: out in the cop car out front of the property
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and he sat there with no medical.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Intervention for six hours.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And during those six hours, literally every second that went
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: by there was ear of brain damage being caused because
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: he had all this bleeding inside of his head that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was causing brain damage, and so the clock was ticking
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: as soon as they found him, and for hours and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: hours and hours he got no care and was just
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: getting worse and worse. And worse, and so finally he
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: goes to the police station and again they do not
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: give him any medical care. Instead, they interrogate him for
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: almost two hours, even though he has four bullet holes
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: on his face that apparently no one noticed or no
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: one took seriously, but regardless, he spent those almost two
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: more hours in the interrogation room.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: For every second that's.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Going by, his brain is getting more and more destroyed,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: irreparably destroyed.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And then finally, at the end of the interrogation.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Dalton, who's probably thinking to himself, what is wrong with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: this guy?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: His answers don't make any sense. He's all over the place.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And that's when he stepped back from looking for a
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: way to convict this guy and noticed the holes on
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: his face, specifically the hole in his nose. That's when
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: he called him forward, and he looked at his face
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and he realized a huge mistake had been made, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he called an ambulance. Here is a clip of the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: fire department, who arrived ahead of the ambulance in the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: interrogation room, learning about what's happened to Ryan as they
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: wait for the ambulance.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I guys, hey, guys, you're not going to believe this
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: one for I can't believe it either. You're right, I've
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: already heard the story. I can't believe it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: This is just my observations that this might be an entrance,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: this might be an excit, and this might be.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Into as acting like he has a service head injury,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: which would make sense.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Ryan was ultimately rushed to the hospital where he would
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: undergo emergency surgery that would save his life, but it
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: would come at a great cost. They not only had
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to remove a large portion of his brain, but they
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: also had to remove both of his eyes. Now, it
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: should be noted that at least one other source says
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: he only had his left eye removed, but regard regardless,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: after this surgery, Ryan was no longer independent. He had
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: so much brain damage he couldn't take care of himself,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and so he had to move back in with his parents,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: who became his full time caretakers. And then ten years later,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Ryan would die from a seizure that was directly connected
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to the injuries he sustained from that attack, and it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: connected to the lack of care he received in those
• 27:22
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• 27:26
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• 27:30
  Speaker 1: They did an internal investigation, but no one was ever disciplined,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: at least not publicly. As for Ryan's family, they certainly
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: could have filed a lawsuit against the Phoenix Police Department.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: But they chose not to.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: They said, the only thing we want is our son back,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and a lawsuit will not give us that.
• 27:46
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