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Breaking Down the Big Week 16 Games · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ Rhett
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  Speaker 2: with you here today, Buck. We'll be back tomorrow. Rhett.
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's a full NFL slate to recap, but
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  Speaker 2: I do want to get your thoughts before we jump
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  Speaker 2: into the NFL. Stuff plenty to get to there. A.
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  Speaker 2: Did notre Dame just break another tackle? And b how
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  Speaker 2: are you? How are you doing today? How are we feeling?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I am doing a lot more defending of the rock
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  Speaker 1: than I feel like I wanted to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, wait, hang on, hang on, hang on a second here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my bad.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I heard fine Bomb and I thought I
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  Speaker 1: heard Lane Kiffin and all the SEC supporters again, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It was just after the Tennessee gotmash. She's pretty silent
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  Speaker 1: over there. Did you know that Vanderbilt, Oklahoma and Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: should have made.
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  Speaker 3: The College Football Playoff?
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  Speaker 1: By everyone else's logic, they had a couple of good wins,
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  Speaker 1: the big wins, so wins got put him in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Well, at some point
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  Speaker 2: in time, like winning games is important I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: hope we don't ever get to the point where winning
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  Speaker 2: games doesn't matter. That's another topic for today. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: to the college stuff. We've got plenty NFL stuff to
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  Speaker 2: jump into. So let's let's dig in here. First game,
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  Speaker 2: Let's go Philly Washington, a game that you know, Look,
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  Speaker 2: you can take either side of this thing. You can
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  Speaker 2: look at it from the Philly side and say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts doesn't get hurt. We're on our way to
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  Speaker 2: score in fifty points and we're still in the mix
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  Speaker 2: here for the number one overall, see nothing to worry
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  Speaker 2: about here. Or you could take the Washington side of it,
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  Speaker 2: which is just sheer joy and excitement knowing what you
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  Speaker 2: have in Jayden Daniels and his ability to lead you
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  Speaker 2: back again overcoming all the turnovers. To me, the word
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  Speaker 2: that just keeps coming back to me. You can talk
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  Speaker 2: about the athleticism, you can talk about the you know
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  Speaker 2: enough arm, the accuracy, the playmaking ability. To me, red
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  Speaker 2: it's just poise, Like in these big moments, he's got
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  Speaker 2: tremendous poise and maturity.
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  Speaker 3: Guy, move on, Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 1: Right there on that run, there were so many of
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  Speaker 1: those plays, uh that were huge. And then you know
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  Speaker 1: their red zone offense, like we this is what I
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  Speaker 1: went back and looked at today. I mean, they just
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  Speaker 1: ate Philly up down there in the red in the
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  Speaker 1: low red zone in particular on some of those plays,
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  Speaker 1: the two two Crowder and then the one to Zakia.
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  Speaker 1: Solamide actually had another one that he broke a couple
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  Speaker 1: of tackles where Philly just got completely they just get
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  Speaker 1: a had a bust and they had like twelve mint
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  Speaker 1: on the field. But I want to go back to
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  Speaker 1: some of these red zone routes. We'll start with the
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  Speaker 1: first one from Crowder and this is a fun one
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  Speaker 1: here he's like the number two guy and the three
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  Speaker 1: man uh you know, three wide receiver side, and he's
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  Speaker 1: got Diami Brown hitting the gas to the flat like
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  Speaker 1: super quick, right. So then Crowder hesitates like he's got
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  Speaker 1: the rub, like he's gonna go back.
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  Speaker 3: Out to the corner right on that rub route.
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  Speaker 1: And then he's got Chauncey Gardner Johnson's hips facing the
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  Speaker 1: sideline and he's going and they're going like this right
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  Speaker 1: and he it was like in no chance and it
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  Speaker 1: was a great throw by Jayden. And then on the
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  Speaker 1: other one. On the next one to Zakias down there,
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  Speaker 1: it's a rub route look right and n Kobe Dean's
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  Speaker 1: kind of in a bind, but they checked to a
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  Speaker 1: coverage here and the field corner Darius Slay and the
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  Speaker 1: strong safety are just completely on different pages because they
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  Speaker 1: don't get the switch, and so Zaki is then this
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  Speaker 1: time the number two in a slot. He does run
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  Speaker 1: that corner route off the rub look and he's wide
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  Speaker 1: open right there to make that catch, and they just
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  Speaker 1: they in. They caused so much like hesitation down there
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  Speaker 1: with the switches that they got going because the third
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  Speaker 1: one was the same thing. The Crowder touchdown at the
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  Speaker 1: very end. It's man coverage here and Zach Bond is
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  Speaker 1: lined up over top of Ertz who was number three,
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  Speaker 1: and then Ertz and Prowder switch immediately off the line,
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  Speaker 1: which puts Crowder on Bond mismatch again hips facing the
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  Speaker 1: wrong way. Crowder cuts inside, and it was just a
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  Speaker 1: great throw and read by Jayden Daniels. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: for from Cliff Kingsbury it was it was nice. It
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  Speaker 1: was a nice like game plan aspect of anticipating what
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  Speaker 1: you were going to see down there in the red
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  Speaker 1: zone and then finding the exact routes that were going
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  Speaker 1: to cause them a little bit of hesitation and confusion,
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  Speaker 1: and then the execution to get it done.
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  Speaker 3: I mean those were three huge touchdowns down there in close. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, well designed, well executed, I would say, on the
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  Speaker 2: Philly side of things, the only thing that concerns me,
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  Speaker 2: And let me give the positives first before I get
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  Speaker 2: to that. Number one is okay, seating in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: You'd like to be the number one. You'd like to
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  Speaker 2: get to buy They're a team that's built to travel.
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  Speaker 2: They have a run game, they have a defense. They
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  Speaker 2: should be able to play in any weather, any scenario.
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  Speaker 2: I mean go indoors. They have tons of speed that
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  Speaker 2: they could capitalize on if they were to end up
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit in an NFC championship game. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to get carried away by the seating impact of
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  Speaker 2: this ballgame. They'll get they'll get hurts back, that'll that'll
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  Speaker 2: you know, that'll cover up a lot of issues. But
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  Speaker 2: they've had two of their three losses. Now Atlanta, late
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  Speaker 2: in the game, with with your defense on the field,
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  Speaker 2: you need to get a stop in Kirk Cousins at
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  Speaker 2: the time seems like a million years ago, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's to drive, they go right down the field, they
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  Speaker 2: cash it and they beat you on this one. Washington
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  Speaker 2: has the ball in their hands or defense down the field,
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  Speaker 2: you got to get a stop. They can't do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's playoff football. That's what you're gonna find yourself in.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to find yourself in these drives and these
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  Speaker 2: positions where you've got to get off the field. And
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  Speaker 2: that's Look, it's a small sample size, only three losses,
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  Speaker 2: but two of those three they were unable to do it.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing I'll say on this side, and
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  Speaker 1: we could talk about, you know how Jalen Hurts being out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, influenced maybe a different approach from the Eagles offensively,
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  Speaker 1: you know down the stretch with with Kenny Pickett in there.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think Kenny Pickett played poorly by any stretch
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  Speaker 1: that thought. Actually he put them in a position. Look,
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  Speaker 1: this is a dude that watched everything unfold in front
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  Speaker 1: of them the last couple of weeks and targeted aj
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  Speaker 1: Brown about eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: Times he came in. But it's just Kenny Pickett's is a
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  Speaker 3: smart man.
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  Speaker 1: But the other part of it was like they had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to end this game on offense, and credit
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  Speaker 1: to Demon day Store for showing up. It's just dropped it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, wide open, might even go for a score.
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  Speaker 1: And and you know, so we can say the defense
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  Speaker 1: down it was. There were equal parts to take the
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  Speaker 1: blame on this one. And that's a pass that DeVante
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  Speaker 1: Smith catches ninety nine times out of one hundred. You know,
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  Speaker 1: even if I couldn't worry about that, got it, I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't worry about that going going forward. So to me,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that my opinion drastically changes on the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: I just give the commanders more credit for finding a
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  Speaker 2: way to win a football game. And they've done it
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  Speaker 2: time and time again this year where they've they've shown
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  Speaker 2: some poise and some moxie with a rookie quarterback. That's
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  Speaker 2: what's so rare and what's so exciting. So I think
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  Speaker 2: there's the turnovers.
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  Speaker 1: When you include the turnover on downs, six turnovers and
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  Speaker 1: I still win the game with thirty plus points.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the Lions against the Texans on that
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  Speaker 2: what was a night game, a primetime game. A few
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  Speaker 2: weeks back, yeah, all right, how about let's stay with
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  Speaker 2: that theme here of seeding. Detroit's in a great spot
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  Speaker 2: now as they defeat the Chicago Bears in a ball game.
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  Speaker 2: They were in control of thirty four to seventeen franchise record.
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  Speaker 2: You see if they're on the screen, thirteenth win. They're
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  Speaker 2: beat up defensively, and they gave up a bunch of yards.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb goes over three hundred. I'll start on the Bear
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  Speaker 2: side of things. I'll kick it over to you for
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  Speaker 2: the Lions and where they're situated. But this we talked
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  Speaker 2: this morning full disclosure, before i'd watched that, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm interested to watch this tape because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I look at the box score with Caleb and
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  Speaker 2: the box score gets me excited to go to the tape,
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  Speaker 2: and then I go to the tape and I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little bit let down and a little bit disappointed. I
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  Speaker 2: liked it. I actually liked the way he played in
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  Speaker 2: this game. It's still like they've got to figure out
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  Speaker 2: something of how they start, like the first series, it's
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  Speaker 2: just not clean. But I thought he settled in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Thought he made some nice throws, particularly on some some
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  Speaker 2: movement throws, intermediate throws. Is what's got me hopeful about
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  Speaker 2: him and the Bears moving forward. Is that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times with young quarterbacks who might be not seeing
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  Speaker 2: the field, well, you're gonna live underneath and over the top,
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to want to work in the in
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  Speaker 2: the in the kind of the intermediate area. He made
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  Speaker 2: some big intermediate throws, you know, mostly to the sideline,
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  Speaker 2: but those are that's the NFL making those types of throws.
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  Speaker 2: So I was encouraged by that. I thought Caleb played well,
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  Speaker 2: and I do think when you look up at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year, while there's a lot he needs
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  Speaker 2: to clean up in terms of his process and getting
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  Speaker 2: the ball out of your hands and not taking so
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  Speaker 2: many sacks, you're going to look up at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year and you're gonna be able to sell
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  Speaker 2: hope to your franchise and to your city because his
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  Speaker 2: numbers they're going to look pretty good at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year compared to what they're used to seeing there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's you know, especially if you can separate, right,
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  Speaker 1: if you're am bearrass fan, you could separate the wins
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  Speaker 1: and losses from you know, some of the individual performances,
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  Speaker 1: and I know sometimes that's sound coult, but yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with the intermediate routes because
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  Speaker 1: I think it was on that forty five yard touchdown
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  Speaker 1: to Keenan Allen where he threaded the needle. Does that
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  Speaker 1: sound right if I'm remembering correctly, it's down the closing window.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, down the sideline throw was big time. Yeah, big
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  Speaker 2: time throw.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean there's there's big time that was older.
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  Speaker 2: I was left encouraged. I was left encouraging. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, did you see the report that as we
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  Speaker 2: get to the Lions that I guess someone was out there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember who it was, said that they were
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  Speaker 2: that Ben Johnson was intrigued, I believe was the word. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the word bears.
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  Speaker 1: But I think we could also agree that with kleb
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  Speaker 1: it needs to be one two run, not one two, three, four, five, six, seven.
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  Speaker 2: Eight, nine, No, no, and not and not one to
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  Speaker 2: extend create one to run. I don't care if that's
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  Speaker 2: four yards, six yards, twelve yards. Just get what you
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  Speaker 2: can get.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So talking about the side of things, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, look at it that it's just this is
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  Speaker 1: a Dan Campbell esque victory. Right, you know, your back's
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  Speaker 1: against the wall with personnel, with injuries, you got you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and then you find ways to create big time plays.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what this was. This was one of the
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  Speaker 3: best throws of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Like you can understand, this is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: I was nuts. And then this stumble Rooskie.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know this was a thing, and I like,
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  Speaker 1: we were watching this, uh DJ, we were watching this
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  Speaker 1: live with Mark Ross on Game Day Live on NFL Network,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Like, did did they did that?
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Because he's had remember this a couple of games ago,
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  Speaker 1: Like he stumbled on a fourth down like sneak or
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: fourth down handoff almost it.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he just got tripped again.
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  Speaker 1: And and then you go back and look at it
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, no, they meant to actually stumble fake
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  Speaker 1: like they were covered up a fumble and then bam,
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  Speaker 1: Sam Laporta's wide open behind the coverage like this, Ben
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  Speaker 1: Johnson's pulling out all the stops and so yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you're a Bears fan inside Soldier Field, then you're watching
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  Speaker 1: that and you're like, come on, can we get this
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  Speaker 1: guy over here to our sideline or what? But look,
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  Speaker 1: I credit the Lions again. You know, without David Montgomery,
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  Speaker 1: I thought we might see more Craig Reynolds, we might
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  Speaker 1: see more Sioni Vaki.
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  Speaker 3: But they gave the bell cow role.
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  Speaker 1: To Jamiir Gibbs and he performed, you know, really well
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  Speaker 1: in it, as I guess we should expect. But twenty
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  Speaker 1: three Harry's for Gibbs, you know, it seems like more
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  Speaker 1: than we generally see one hundred and nine yards in
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  Speaker 1: a touchdown. But i'd also I think you credit Antoine
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  Speaker 1: Randall L. You know, no coincidence, he's a Hoosier. But
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  Speaker 1: the job that they've done in mentoring and trying to
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  Speaker 1: aid the maturity of Jamison Williams, I think is pretty important.
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  Speaker 1: Like even within the landscape of this game, like he
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  Speaker 1: got a penalty, Dan Campbell took him aside. He's kind
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  Speaker 1: of coaching him up, and then you saw how fired
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  Speaker 1: up Antoine RANDALLLL was running down the sideline on that
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  Speaker 1: post route. So I think they got a lot going
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  Speaker 1: for him even with the injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the exciting thing to me about Jamison is that
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  Speaker 2: when you get into the postseason, it is hard to
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  Speaker 2: string together long drives against the better teams the better
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  Speaker 2: defenses in this league. It helps to be able to
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  Speaker 2: get those chunks, those massive chunks. And as you could
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  Speaker 2: see on that post, he's got elite, elite, elite speed
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  Speaker 2: and he tracks the ball well. He's not someone who
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  Speaker 2: struggles attractive. A lot of times those don't marry up together.
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  Speaker 2: But he's got a chance to be an elite deep threat.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, to me, that's what again we look
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  Speaker 2: towards the postseason. You want to have some of those
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  Speaker 2: quick strike throws and drives and he can provide that
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  Speaker 2: for you. So I think he's someone is what you're
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  Speaker 2: seeing right now. I think when you watch the Lions
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  Speaker 2: go through the postseason, do not be shocked with all
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  Speaker 2: their star players that they have, if he doesn't end
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  Speaker 2: up being like one of their key key guys. You
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  Speaker 2: know you're gonna have games. He could win a game
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  Speaker 2: for you. He catches three for one fifty, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with a couple huge deep balls that wins you a
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  Speaker 2: playoff game. That's valuable. And that's why they're patient with
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: him with some of the stuff and the issues that
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  Speaker 2: he's had. We're willing to forgive, and we're willing to
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  Speaker 2: learn and We're going to try and grow through this thing.
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  Speaker 2: But so far, so good. As the Lions are marched
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  Speaker 2: towards the number one overall seed, let's stay in the NFC. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I shouldn't say that they're marching towards it
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like I always forget about this team,
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota right there with them in the thirteen and two.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: They have it all in front of them. They go
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  Speaker 2: to Seattle and not an easy place to play. It
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: was lowed they're watching that ball game. I saw a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that on TV, but for getting a chance
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  Speaker 2: to watch it on video, but very loud Rockets environment.
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  Speaker 2: Sam was locked in justin Jefferson. Another huge game. Defensively,
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  Speaker 2: they got turnovers when they needed it. They were able
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  Speaker 2: to heat up, you know, Geno kind of force some
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  Speaker 2: things there By the way, Gino and DK Metcalf not
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  Speaker 2: on that. That is another I'll let you go there
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  Speaker 2: if you want to go there. But they are not
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  Speaker 2: on the same page here, and it's there is a
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  Speaker 2: frustration there that seems to be boiling over with the leader.
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  Speaker 3: Session at the end, Oh my god, at the end
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  Speaker 3: was the was kind of.
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  Speaker 2: The and it's the same issue that it's the DKA
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  Speaker 2: is drifting like but again I put some of that
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  Speaker 2: on the on the play call, like he's not a
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  Speaker 2: precise work back to the quarterback route runner, Like, that's
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  Speaker 2: not him. He is on the move, he is overs,
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  Speaker 2: he is go balls, He has slants, you know, asking
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  Speaker 2: him to run outs and comebacks and curls like, that's
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  Speaker 2: not who he is. I mean, I guess you'd hope
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  Speaker 2: that he would grow into that, but that is not him.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and on the play in particular, I mean, Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: had three guys back there for DK, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I imagine in his head he's like, oh they no
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  Speaker 1: way Gino's throwing this ball, you know, and he starts
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  Speaker 1: drifting out, which obviously you shouldn't do, you know, run
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  Speaker 1: the route like You're getting the ball no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: But they had two deep guys over him and then
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  Speaker 1: the underneath as well. I mean, it was that play
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  Speaker 1: was kind of doomed from the start because he was
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  Speaker 1: getting pressure too. I understand why Gino let go of it,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, you'd like to see a little bit more
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: competitiveness on the end of that route. I'll look at
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  Speaker 1: this because I know you watched justin Jefferson, which was
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  Speaker 1: which I wanted to go back and see that and
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  Speaker 1: see the different ways.
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  Speaker 2: Please, please, by the way, can I just can I
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: just beg beg koc for one thing, Kevin O'Connell, who
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: should be in the mix for the Coach of the Year,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: give me more Justin Jefferson in the backfield, please, I
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: want more Justin Jefferson running routes out of the backfield.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: A couple of things there. Number one, you can't get
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: your hands on him. You're not gonna be able to
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: press him. And number two, you're you're in the backfield.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: You're in the dead middle of the field. He has
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: got so much real estate to work with, and you
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: saw him in space like good luck, good luck. I
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: hope we see more of it. I hope more teams
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: will do that. You'll see them sprinkle guys in there
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and usually they'll flare him out. Maybe maybe you give
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: him an out route like you saw there. But let's
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: empty the clip man. Let's let him run up the
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: rail from the backfield. Let's run those option routes. Let's
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: let let him run the full gamut of routes from
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: from the backfield. That's what I'm here for.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Also that throw we just saw right there from Darnold's
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: like step run up in the pocket.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Oh so good, so good.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I went back and first like
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: five targets for Jefferson, felt like there were five different
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: looks and five different guys that were, you know, in
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the vicinity of where he was.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: And so Seahawks are trying to mix it up.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: But man, he's he's that good and especially you know,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: when you can scheme it up for him the way
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: that they do pretty special.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: So I went and looked at what what.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores was doing with one of his new chess
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: pieces this year, and we've watched it, you know, a bunch,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: and we watched him when he was down at Miami.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: But Andrew Van ginkle Man, when he gets a runway
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: the like when when he's either they put him standing
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: up over a guard, which is like you know, an
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: athleticism mismatch. If he you know, he gets the drop
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: on the guard, it's over, uh in terms of you know,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: anticipating the snap count. And then when they give him
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: runway and they'll like kind of twist him in and
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: run games with him kind of. I mean, it's it's
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of speed coming at you man in the interior.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Is it was difficult to deal with for Seattle with
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: those guys because I know they've been kind of shuffling
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: guys in and out of the interior that offensive line too,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: So made sense that that's where they wanted to try
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: to attack.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Van Ginkle with two sacks on the day, But really
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the sacks were you know, relentless effort to like he's
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: getting pushed or he's getting pushed outside and he kind
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: of wheels back around and Geno's hanging on to the ball.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: So I think it, you know, you credit what they're
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: doing from a coverage perspective with the relentlessness of guys
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: like Van Ginkle of front seven pressures in this game,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: two of them he brings down Geno Smith. So they
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: just they got a lot going for him there really
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. Like this Vikings team,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not counting them out.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Yet as they try to push for better seeding.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, final thought, final thought, last game of the regular season.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions welcome in the Minnesota Vikings for what
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: is likely to be the difference of the number one
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: seed versus the number five seed and the NFC playoffs.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: As we look at a couple of these Saturday matchups,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: big games with a lot on the line. Here, Pittsburgh Baltimore.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Baltimore stays alive in the division. You see the records
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: there now the same with Pittsburgh. Now Pittsburgh still controls it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So if Pittsburgh wins out, they would win the AFC North.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But Pittsburgh has a game in about three minutes against
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs of Christmas, So not a lot
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of rest there coming off of a very physical game
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: where the Ravens they got after their nemesis a little
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: bit in this one, thirty four to seventeen.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, I think you know, when you look
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: at this from the Steelers perspective on offense, I think
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you'll look at a team that is struggling to find
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: ways to produce them the perimeter. Without George Pickens and yep,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and Calvin Austin four catches sixty five. It's fine, Jalen
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Warren five for forty four, but you have no big
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: play threat. Mike Williams has not showed up in that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: way for this team since his first catch for a touchdown.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Whenever that was. And then you know, Russ just once
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: that that last throwback to that Marlin Humphrey went for
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the pick six that sealed it. But this team meets
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: George Pickens back just to kind of get things back
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: on track into a flow with how they want to operate.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does like they are going to get him
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: back against the Chiefs. I also believe they're going to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: get to Shawn Elliott back, which would be very important.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: He's played awesome on the defensive side of the ball.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers the Ravens. To me, I was mentioning
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: it earlier. I think we were talking about Philly and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: saying it doesn't really matter where they go playoff wise.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that way for the Ravens
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to they're a chip on their shoulder organization. If they're home,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: if they're at home, fine, if they're on the road,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: they don't care. They're gonna be able to run the football.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I mean that's where I thought, I don't know, watching
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: this ball game, I thought a couple of things. Number One,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the points you mentioned about Russ, Yeah, okay, I get that,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but Lamar continues to be locked in. And then Number
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: two was I just remember late in the year, even
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: when they had those good teams in Tennessee, it felt
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: like maybe Dereck Henry, even if the yards were there,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: just he looked a little bit heavy legged, like the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: toll of the season had kind of started to catch
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: up with him a little bit. He looked fresh as
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a daisy. How many yards of ten plus runs did
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: he have in this game? It just felt like every
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: other runs alosive run. Yeah, he just looked, he looked,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: he looked. Maybe it's the hair, I don't know. He
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: just looked fresh. He looked very fresh in this ballgame.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you on that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: One other thing, I was curious if if you kind
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of caught caught window of like the the coaches box
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: camera on Todd Monkin. I don't know that they're going
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to be a fan of that one moving did you
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: see Have you seen all the breathing with it? Oh
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: my gosh, he's going nuts on one of these plays.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was the interception that Lamar
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: threw or if it was just a big play that
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: they missed. And I think he was saying something about
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman, like what is.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: He doing what is he doing?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: You could just you can feel the anxiety right that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: just courses through a play callers, you know, veins throughout
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: those three and a half hours of a game.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Man, it is I have to start.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You can start being in the in the booth with
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: your with your play sheet over it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I know, I think seriously, I'm curious, man, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: more of that moving forward here. But yeah, it was
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: they look they got to win, but I think they
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: left some stuff out there on the table on the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: offensive side. I don't know that this was the cleanest
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: game we've seen Lamar play.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: But again enough, yeah, man, I keep an eye on
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: this division because it looks like we'll see how the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Chargers season unfolds. But that's looking like the winner of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: this division likely to be the three seed the Chargers
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: if everything kind of goes, you know, with them finishing
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: up with New England and the Raiders, there's a chance
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: even after this next week that they could be locked
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: into the sixth seed. So that would be a rematch
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: either way. Chargers lost to both of those teams in
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: close games, so that could be where my travels take
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: me here as we go towards the postseason. Speaking of postseason,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: there Houston, Kansas City. Kansas City, just ho hum this one.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I actually had a little breathing room for you know
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: what that's worth. They don't have many of those. I
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: tweeted out as Houston had a chance with the ball
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: in their hands, I think they were down eight, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: seven or eight? Yeah, they were down eight late in
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: this ball game, weren't they.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And then the score is twenty seven to nineteen. That's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: why it was in one possession.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'shy I was throwing me off. But I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: watching this. I'm watching this game, and I'm staring at it, going, oh,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: this is the most predictable thing ever. You're going to see.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Houston's going to go down, They're going to score, They're
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: going to get the two point conversion. Just to give
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: them that glimmer of hope, they'll leave a minute thirty
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: for Mahomes. Mahomes will go down and they'll get they'll
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: win the game. It'll feature a Mahomes scramble, which all
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: those game winning drives they altered at some point in time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: This one went off script. And one of the reasons
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that went off script is because as great as as
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: great as Mahomes is. Man, if you look at the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: recent iteration of this team, I'm telling you, man, Chris
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Jones what he does and the impact he has every
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: single game, every single week, there's a reason why their
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: defense is doing what they're doing and spags with the
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: great design. They have a lot of really really good
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: football players. I'll put McDuffie in that great category. But
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: there's one Hall of Famer on that side. That's Chris Jones.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna argue with that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that is for sure a big piece
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of this storyline here really in the last two to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: three years for the Chiefs is him elevating and that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: defense elevating to become a reason why they win, uh
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and not a reason why they lose. And so that's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: obviously been a part of it. And you know, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: think you know you're throwing George Carloftis in there too.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: And again we've talked about.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: The ways that they have drafted for what they want
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to do on the defensive side of the ball, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that is such a homegrown defense from from Chris Jones
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to Carloftis to Nick Bolton to the guys in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: back end where they've hit on. It feels like almost
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: every time, even you know, you lose Lugerius Snead and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you're still finding ways, you know, because of the competitive.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Depth that Josh Williams had a big game.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so credit again to to Veitch and Andy and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that whole personnel crew and in the way that they've
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: found ways to, you know, to really spend the big money,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you know, on Chris Jones and then find ways to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: fill in right with with the draft, and that's that's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: been huge and they'll have to pay some of these
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: guys here moving forward.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: But I did want to talk a little bit about.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Opposite of the reck you wall for Xavier Worthy, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: like he's putting eight on the gas now instead of
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: slowing down.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It's exactly right. And this is what we saw from
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Rashid Rice last year. You remember how he came through
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: UH and really started to take off in the second
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: half of the season. And so for Worthy, he was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: busy man eleven targets, seven catches. I thought they were
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: really you know, it wasn't just like, oh hey, let's
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: throw a little gadget at him here. With Worthy, it
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: was like they wanted to make him a big part
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of the game plan. And look, most of them are
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: still you know, at the line of scrimmage or behind
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. But I think the biggest development,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and I think we've talked about this a few times
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: on the show earlier this season. I can't remember whether
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: it was this year or whether it's really come in
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in the last you know, two or three years. But man,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: when you get that, now throw to a player like Worthy,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: but you got lead blockers out in front, like just
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the most dangerous man that is deadly,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And they did on one of those plays.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I think it was only like a fifteen yard game,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: but they.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Basically took Houston's best defensive player, Will Anderson out of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the mix. With the backfield action going one way, Worthy
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: coming in motion the other way, and then two offensive
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: linemen leading him out in front. Like Will Anderson couldn't
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: do it. He didn't know what to do. You know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, do I crash down with the run? Do
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I try to deal with and then he's just sitting
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: there and no man's land, And so you've eliminated with
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: action one guy, probably their best guy, and then you've
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: got two guys out in front for Worthy. They did
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that a number of times, and he had a couple
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like a slant route or you know, man.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: If he's also like DJ if you are.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: If he's in the slot and you are a slot
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: defender with inside leverage, it's over. If he runs the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: album like you are not nobody's But if you play
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: outside leverage, they're gonna run mesh and they're gonna make
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you weave through all that traffic.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I've seen it. I've seen a bunch of it both
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: ways this year. The other thing is I'll just add
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: is let's give Joe Toney some flowers for kicking out
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to left tackle and solving what was their achilles heel.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And it goes to the theory of the best five theory.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I've always stated that, and I think we're on the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: same page there, which is the versatil. The offensive lineman
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: is huge because injuries are coming. If they aren't there
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: right now, they're coming tomorrow. And the ability to have
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: guys who can play multiple positions allows you to get
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: your best five on the field. And also, Wyye Morris,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: as dreadful as he's been at left tackle, was serviceable
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: at right tackle. Where he's more comfortable. So, uh, Joe
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Toney's ability to kick out, it's what he did in college.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But having guys that can, are we going to make
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: it very bad? Are We're just gonna make him left
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: tackle now for the rest of this point? Just make
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: him a left tackle for the rest of this year.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I am. He's better in DJ Humphries if he you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: with his injuries situation, if he comes back, I don't
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: know what his how long the timeline is there, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Joe Toney is better than him, So uh interesting to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: see how that's all come together for them along the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: offensive line.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: H are all right?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Two NFL Christmas Day games will be live on Netflix
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: December twenty fifth, starting at one pm Eastern. That's the
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Chiefs taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers, followed by the Baltimore
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Ravens and the Houston Texans at four point thirty pm Eastern.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Do not miss it all right, Right, this one was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a head scratcher to me. Uh didn't see this coming.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And that is the Dallas Cowboys beating the Bucks twenty
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: six to twenty four. I had just seen the Bucks
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and I was like, holy crud, this offense is is
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: dial game right now. It's a very interesting team and
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: with their defense with Todd Bowles as aggressive as they are,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and some of the matchups that they give you up front,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: mainly Vita Vea, It's like, I don't know if you
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: want to play this team in the postseason and you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: flip around one week later, and I don't know that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the postseasons, you know, given that's how quickly things can
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: turn in the NFL. But what a win for coach
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: McCarthy and the Dallas Cowboys twenty six to twenty four.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Man, you know they're eliminated too, you know, going into
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: this thing, and it's I just think it's it is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: really us of, you know, for a group of guys
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and a coaching staff that has been as maligned as
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: any in the in the league this year to come
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: out and have that kind of effort against a team that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Is fighting for everything right in the Bucks.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And look, ultimately, I think for the Bucks, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it just they kick started too late, you know, I mean,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this was they just didn't have it going early. And
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you know, credit the guys that have stepped in on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Dallas's defense. I mean, like you heard Chris Collinsworth and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Tarico gushing over Jordan Lewis, you know, throughout the broadcast,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and rightly so. I mean, do played a heck of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a game, including that strip. Oh actually I don't know
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: think that was him on the strip at the end,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: but I'm thinking I had every belief, you know, the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: way that the Bucks had been playing going into this
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: game and then the way that they came alive late,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that they were going to go down and win that game.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And then you know, Baker makes this incredible play to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: get free and like just dragging a defender with him,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: gets it out to Rashad White. You know they're gonna
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and then now the stride is gonna be off and running.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have all this momentum and confidence, and bang
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: he gets that thing stripped out. I just thought that defense,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: with all the injuries they've had, man just played really
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: inspired ball. And I think that says a lot about
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the way that their coaches get them rolling. And look
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the personal pride that they have.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, Deron Bland ripped that thing out. So it
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was right time place. Yeah, and the secondary for the
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys a couple of things. I was just looking
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: at it for next year. And what does the offseason
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: look like with the Dallas Cowboys. And if you're the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: head coach, you know the two people you want in
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: your corner more than anybody else. Number one is the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: owner and number two is the quarterback. And I think
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: he's This game went a long way to show the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: owner that the team has not quit on you. You
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: have your twelve win seasons that you can sell, you
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: have your Super Bowl ring with Green Bay that you
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: can sell, and you have a limited coaching market where
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of hot candidates, So that's going
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: to help you on the coach side of things. In
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, you already had Dak Prescott's already endorsed him.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, that game to me could have
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: been a uh maybe I won't say job savor because
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I would assume that it was gone, but it might
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: have been a job stealer, you know, Like just I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: don't I don't see a change coming there. Maybe you
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: get make some staff changes, but that's I don't see
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: that happening.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: That's fair, But I mean I do not think that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that is I just have a hard time believing that's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: gonna go over very well.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Not like that actually matters in the grand scheme of things.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Jerry Jerry hasn't been a splash guy. That's like the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: most misinterpreted thing. I mean, look at like free agency
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and big splash stuff and hiring the sexy coach, Like
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: look at all the coaches that he's hired, and look
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: at who are these you know, quote unquote prize free
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: agencies brought. You got to go back to the old
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: school nineties to find like that's when he was making
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the bold moves. Like it was bold. It was Charles Haley,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: it was Deon Sanders, Let's let's be bold, you know.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: You know, like truly Williams was like the last like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: really bold move, like a first and third round pick,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: mitey Gallo Loy Williams.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those kind of things anymore. You know. The
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: The other thing that I think, you know, we need to.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Make sure we get out there is that, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you have a big old hat tip to Cooper Rush,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like the job that he has done as QB two ditch,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: like they they really have not missed a beat offensively.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that he's maybe not as dynamic
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: as Dak Prescott is, you know, in terms of you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: maybe arm in some athleticism, but that dude knows how
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to play within this offense, and he was. That guy
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: has earned the right to be one of the highest
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: paid backups in football, if not the highest paid.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: They're a nice job. Let's get to a quarterback making
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: his starting debut, and that's Pennis Michael Pennock's Atlanta Falcons.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: They hammer the lifeless New York Giants who are in
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a great position to have the first overall pick in
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: this draft. Watched all the Pennock stuff this morning. Things
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I love about him. His feet are in the ground.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: The arm looks as live and as explosive as it
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: did at the University of Washington. He can reach all
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the way out to the perimeter. The ball's got pace.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I mean you could just see it and watch him tape,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: just the ball spind like he can't throw it. You know.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: He has the interception, which has nothing to do with him.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was one of the weirder interceptions you've
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: ever seen, where Pitts just throws the ball to the defense.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: But I thought, you know, this is what he is.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: He's a pure pocket passer with a huge arm that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I think protection is going to be big as much
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: as you like the weapons around him, you know, continue,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: If I'm the Atlanta Falcons looking forward, I'm going to
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: continue every year invest invest, invest in the offensive line.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: He's going to be able to make some stars out
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of pass catchers because of his arm talent, but you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: need to keep him in a nice nest back there.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm going to continue to invest in
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that offensive line, which is already a good one.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: It is, it is.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And the other thing I would say, though, even still,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, he is probably you know, I don't know
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: what the best way to describe this is, but two
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: times the athlete that Kirk Cousins is or was at
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: this point, like he showed some escapability in there that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'd have seen from Kirk Cousins a
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: couple of different times. And so while yes, he's not
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: going to give you, Josh, I think he's going to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: give you enough just to kind of move around a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: little bit if he has to to get out there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And man, it is it is.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's like it's a beautiful thing
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to watch the lefty throw it like and make it
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it look that pretty with it you know, I think
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of times over the ball comes out of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the lefty's hand, it looks a little funky, but man,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: his is such a pretty ball.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: It is so easy to watch. And we just got
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to get Kyle Pitts to hang on to the football
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: here a little bit.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: We're talking about much better than no question, yea, a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: couple of drops talk about. I know I'm not gonna
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: talk about the Giants, that's too depressing. But I was
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: watching Pennix on the heels of last weekend thinking about
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: my friend Rhett and going could have used him. He
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: used him at Notre Dame. Tell you that much.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Oh well, hey, best game. I'm coming off of a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: losing season and app so I got nothing to say
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: there Rams Jets. The Rams just kind of slogged their
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: way to a win. Ugly game, but uh, you know
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: this is as you see the note there on the screen,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: feer than ten points allowed in consecutive games for the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: first time twenty fifteen. The Jets are kind of a mess,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: but there are some good players over there, and the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Rams defense continues to play well.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think again that that's a growth process, right,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you're talking about a first year coordinator in Chris Shula.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Now he's been there for for a while.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And imagine there's some there's some things that they're doing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that are certainly familiar going.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Back to years past.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But I think that they've come up with some big
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: games defensively. Like we talk a lot about the way
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that the offense finds ways to win with Kyen Williams
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and Cooper, Cooper, Cup and Pooka and Akua, but I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: think that they have that that defense has come up huge.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Like I think about turnover on downs early in the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: game watching this thing live, that that was huge that
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: allowed the Rams go down and score. I thought that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: based off what we saw Aaron Rodgers, do you know
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: last week with Devonte Adams, I thought they challenged Rogers
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: in that pass game in.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: A pretty good way.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I think a Kella Witherspoon made a couple of big
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: plays knocking some balls away, and well, this wasn't the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: most prolific game we've seen from the Rams offense. This
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: is one you chalk up to the defense finding a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: way to put them in position to win that game.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: And sometimes you got to have those especially.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I want to give you I want to give you
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: one Jets thought and then and then we can keep
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the train moving here. But I was just thinking about this.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: You know, all the people that they're interviewing, Our buddy
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Jim Naggy from the recent Senior Bowl interviewed there. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I saw Lewis Riddicks's name mentioned Dimitrovs. They've already interviewed
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: a bunch of guys that are available right that are
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: available right now. So you know what that tells me
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: this is going to be an exhaustive search. And I
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: was just thinking about you know, there's the article that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: comes out in the Athletic that just kind of trashes
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the whole culture and organization there. So this next hire
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: for the Jets needs to be ah a confidence inducing
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: higher for their entire fan base and for the for
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: their entire organization. It needs to be something that brings credibility, right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: They need That's what they need more than anything else.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: So if you're doing an.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: EAGEH on the G really on both, but I would
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: say the GM side first and foremost right as someone
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: who's going to be the leader over the organization.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So I was sitting there thinking about it, going, Okay, well,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be creative, and you're interviewing all
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: these people from all different areas, and you're going to
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: do an exhaustive search of the candidates once the season ends.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: That are with other teams. We always talk about coach trades.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: We've heard of, oh maybe McVeigh, maybe somebody will trade
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: a pick for Kyle Shanahan. You know we've seen that,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and we have seen coach trades in the past. I'm
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: just throwing this is no there's no information here, but
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: this is just like a thought that popped into my
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: head was if you're looking for credibility, Howie Roseman has
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: probably you know, the reputation of a top three general
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: manager in the NFL. I mean they're in the postseason
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: every year, he's won a Super Bowl, He's been to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: another Super Bowl. How Roseman is from that area. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: have to double check that, but I believe so. But
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that would be someone who would bring you instant credibility. Now,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: why would Jeffrey Lourie ever let him leave? That's a
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: great question. But if you're going to be thorough, as
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: they're showing that they want to be thorough through this process,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and you're trying to recapture your reputation. Is that something
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: you would entertain it. If it's not how we maybe
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it's somebody else.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: First thing I would do is I would call Ozzie
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Newsom and say name your price. You know, come out
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: of your semi retirement. I know you're still around the raven.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We need we need credibility. We need somebody to come
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: in here that know, our fans are not going to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: question who can help us get the right coach in here,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: figure out the quarterback situation and get us going. But
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that that was my thought. If we talk about trades
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: with coaches, we never think about trades with general managers.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: That's a good thought because the obviously the other route
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: is like and we've seen this, you know time and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: time again, is you go find you know, the number
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: two behind you know some of the best gms, right,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you go find you know, when Joe Douglas you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: left to go to the Jets, you know is obviously
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: highly regarded in Philly, or you know what what do
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: we have with with you know the underneath Rett Veach
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City trying to go find you know.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: That next guy. But yeah, if you're the Jets and
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: you've got to gone that route.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe you want to go get the guy instead
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: of the next guy's good.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was just, yeah, I don't know, I
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: don't know what that would even look like, but I
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: was just thinking about that. Yeah, I don't know. That
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: was again. I just wanted to throw that out there,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: put it out on the ether, and see if that's
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: not the craziest thing that you've ever heard. I don't know.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens there. But the Rams, they're they're
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in great They're in a great spot here as they
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: try and march towards the postseason. All right, This Saturday,
• 38:26
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• 38:30
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• 38:34
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• 38:52
  Speaker 2: here on the remaining games. Heret Cleveland, Cincinnati, the Joe
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Burrow Express, Still live, Baby, still live.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And you don't want to see this team.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I know that that is a popular phrase right now
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: baseduff the fact that the Chargers beat the Broncos, which
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: allowed the Bengals in here.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: They gotta win out. They got to hope for some help.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But man, when Joe Burrow is making throws like this
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: one here to T Higgins in which he is literally
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: on the ground, like an inch above the ground, making
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: a spot on throw to Tea, t Higgins said that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: that was that was his favorite touchdown he's ever seen
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Joe throw, and not because he was throwing it to him.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It's because he looked like Superman on the play, not Batman. Superman.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: So that's what he's calling him from now on. That's
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: what he is.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: He is Superman and this Bengals team and don't let
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: him in. They do not let that team into the tournament.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But I do miss for the Browns. We got to
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: get Jamis back in there, man, we got to get
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It's just more fun. That's a more watchable product for
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: both sides, you know, when he's out there. But I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: was looking at that thinking, if you're a Bengals fan,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: do you start like a GoFundMe and just like you're
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: getting just like some extra treatment, maybe some ice bats
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: for cars Wentz knowing that your season is going to
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: come down to Carson Wentz starting for the Kansas City
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Chiefs against the Raiders in a game that you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Raiders would necessarily be thrilled to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: win that when it comes to draft position, but I
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: don't think you're going to see Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey and
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Chris Jones and all the starters for the Chiefs if
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: they have their position locked up. That's all they're gonna
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: need because they played Denver. So you control your own destiny,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: plus Carson Wentz, That's how I'm looking at it. With
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals, that's that gets them into the playoffs.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And then if you're Buffalo, congratulations, unbelievable year. You guys
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: are cooking, and now you've got to play against that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: savage Joe Burrow in the first round of the playoffs.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Like what a reward? Yeah no, no, I don't want
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that either New England and Buffalo. Speaking of Buffalo, this
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: game was close for a long time, I mean very close,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: ends up just being a three point game. Drake May
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: was excellent, They got out the shoots. It was fourteen
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to nothing in this ball game, they're moving the ball well,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Buffalo couldn't couldn't get it. Going to England's defense has been,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: you know, playing well, but to me, Drake attacking like
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: not playing conservative. You know, when he gets matchups he
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: wants he's going to attack down the field, which was
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: fun to watch there. And I'm still looking at it
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: going like I don't know what all he hasn't around him,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Like you got Booty, You've got uh, You've got Hunter Henry.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I like Hunter as a solid player, but not great
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: up front yet. Ramondre Stevenson is a solid player, but
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: man Paul going to be This is gonna be fun
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: in New England if they get some pieces around him,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And where they're situated in the draft right now, they've
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: got a chance to get some big time pieces around.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Him, no doubt, especially considering where the quarterback. You know
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: how the quarterbacks fall, you know early on with the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: teams that.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Are going to going to get the best non quarterback
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: in front. Yeah, how about Arizona Carolina? The fighting Bryce Young's.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Man patients patience is a virtue in this league with quarterbacks,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and credit credit certainly to what Dave Canalis has done there.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And I think we might look back on this, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: early on in the way that they approached Bryce, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: by pulling pulling it back a little bit and say,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: all right, we got to take a step back here.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: This is things are things are not happening the way
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that you know. They're happening too fast for you. You're
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: not seeing it the way you need to be seeing it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Let's pull it back here a little bit. Let's let's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, essentially, let you settle down, and then we
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you know, he gets back into the line up, probably
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: not the way that they had thought he was gonna
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: get back into the line up with the injury, but man,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: he has played so much better. And you know what
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: he did in this game, and he was running I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: feel like we haven't seen him run like this, the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: way that he ran in this game, and not because
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: like he had to, you know, like he was running
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: for his life. He did scramble here a couple of times,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: but it was this was a much better product. And man,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: did the Panthers have They accentuated what they have in
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Chewba Hubbard and like that, He's like they got a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: running they got their running back, they got their quarterback.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: They need to go get those targets. I'd love to
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: see him get you know, maybe just David Sanders comes
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: back and shows up as a as a big time
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: tight end for him, but they got we get more
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: targets for him and more protection up front.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're saying maybe Tyler warn there would look.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Fun a real nice spot for him right there.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of those rare tight ends that's as
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: popular in the running back room as he is in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: the quarterback room. Usually with tight ends the way it
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is right now, very popular with quarterbacks, not so much
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: with running backs. He helps both. All right, San Francisco, Miami,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: are you ready for the off season storyline of should
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: we or should we not pay Brock Party? Because it's coming?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Oh good?
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I mean you got to right. I mean, like the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: grass ain't always greener. On the other side, DJ, you're
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: six and nine, we're not going to get a top quarterback.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, do we feel like we're gonna be able
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to lure Sam Donald back here? Like?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Otherwise what are we doing?
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Not?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: They're going they're gonna sign Rock Party?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are. And it's again it's someone who likes
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald who you just mentioned the support matters. There's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: only a couple guys that it doesn't. It's you know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: so I think we need to set healthy bit of that, like, well,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you know, he's only good if he has this, this,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and this. Yeah, we'll go get this, this and this.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: That's your job. Put those pieces around him. And he's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: proven he can take you to the super Bowl. So
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that's the challenge there. And I'm with you. I do
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: think he gets paid. I don't know that you're gonna
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable writing that check. You're probably not gonna love
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: writing that check. You're gonna write that check, Yes you are.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'll be shocked if I'll be shocked if they don't.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But that was a game that kept the Miami Dolphins
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: alive at seven and eight, still ticking as we have
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: two weeks of the season left. I guess we can't
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: read too much into matchups that Coming off of a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Sunday nighter where the Cowboys showed a lot of fight
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and knocked off the Tampa Bay Bucks, who had everything
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to play for. This looks on the surface like a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: game the Green Bay Packers as they welcome, and the
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Saints should be in cruise control rat but the NFL's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: taught us we can't assume anything.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, looking the Saints are pulling out all the stops.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: This is what I got for you on this game.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: The Saints quarterbacks, it sounds like I think Spencer Rattler's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: getting the start, are spending time in the freezer of
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the cafeteria on site. So I think they're gonna throw
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: for three fifty tonight.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Are they punching the are they punching the slab of
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: meat in there? Like? What what are we doing inside
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that inside that freezer?
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: It's a great question. Uh, probably just talking about how
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: quick we can get out of here is what I
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: would be what I would be thinking in that moment.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, look it's gonna be cold.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know it is, and you know
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: for the Saints, look kind of playing out the string
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: here down the stretch. But uh, you know, an opportunity, uh,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you know to kind of find some good vibes and
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and watch some some young.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Guys, you know, try to make some plays for them.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: But they got a lot of work to do this offseason.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Can I can I call an audible instead of previewing
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the remainder of this ball game?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, so we have on the show here. If you've
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: listened or watched the show for years, we've been in
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: this over a decade.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Someone who served the show for eight years of that
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: has been the Bill, who's been our producer, who's put
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in a ton of work with us. Nobil is moving on,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: he's got a chance, he got a great opportunity, so
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: he's going to uh this is going to be it
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: for him. So this is our final day working with Nobil,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: who's been awesome, and we're excited for him and his
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: new opportunity. So we wanted to wanted to get him something.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: He's our packer punk, right, we always joke with him
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: about being the packer Homer. So we got him a
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: We got him a little Jordan Love Jersey to uh
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: to send him off with things. That's a little gift
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: card as well, a little something extra there go get
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: something to eat. But we do want to take the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: time here and and uh and thank the Bill for
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: eight years that he's given to the pod and someone
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: who's been selfless, who's worked long hours, you know, editing,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: helping us with getting topics together, coordinating everything. So UH
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: just want to say a huge huge shout out, huge
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: thanks to nobil. If you've there, he is with his
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love jersey, so we can see you there.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: It is great hair on him.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a great got a great head of hair.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: That's fantastic Jersey. He's not so if you sleep in
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: that thing, if.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: You followed the pod for a long time, what you've
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: been doing this a long time? Going to be reunited
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: with Sully by the way, another former Move to six
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: podcast producers.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know we put him in the Hall
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: of Fame, don't we. You know we had great.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's gonna be great ones here. Yeah, they
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: all move on to bigger and better things. The Bill.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: You gonna give us some final words here before you
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: before you leave on us.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: It's not go pack go. I don't want to hear it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: What what are your final thoughts here in the bill
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: on the final day? Here we have tears? Do we
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: wake up a little misty eye today? What do we got?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm hoping a packer super Bowl. But you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: learned so much working with you guys, And this was
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: the first podcast I used to listen to, so it's
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I've really grown my working with you guys, So I
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: really appreciate you guys for everything.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Look at that a little baby face. He was just
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: a little baby face with no facial hair back in
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the day. Now he's a full grin bear. Look at
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: that guy. It's a grizzled, a grizzled veteran. All right,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the bill, uh, get back to work. We have one
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: more show to do. Get back to work, shut it down,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: all right? Any yeah, there you go. We love the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: bil and and thank him for all the great work
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: that he's done here. Hope you guys have enjoyed this episode.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Again mentioned it buck. We'll be back tomorrow. We have
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: little rookie draft. Be on the lookout for that. We'll
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: see you right here on. Move the sticks.