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Best of Ian Furness 11/2 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Well, every Thursday, the highlight of the week on KJR,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, is at 4 o'clock. And
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  Speaker 1: all due respect to two of those guys, Softie and Dick.
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  Speaker 1: It's not because of them. We love the 520. It's
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  Speaker 1: cool there. But the highlight of the week is when
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  Speaker 1: our next guest jumps on, and he's on with us
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  Speaker 1: right now. One of my favorite people in the world,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most popular people ever to walk a
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  Speaker 1: sideline or grace our area and our community and the
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  Speaker 1: world of sports is joining us on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline.
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  Speaker 1: Ten years. 160 wins, 86 losses, a 538 winning percentage.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first ever trip to the Super Bowl for
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  Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, and it's been way too long since
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  Speaker 1: I've said hello to Mike Holmgren. Hi, Mike. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, good, Ian. It's good to hear your voice, man.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: It's going well. We miss you, but I'm glad you're
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  Speaker 1: on with Softie every week. I know you kind of
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  Speaker 1: scaled things back a little bit this year, but we
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  Speaker 1: get to hear you every week with Softie, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: thrilled to have you on today. I know Softie made
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  Speaker 1: mention of this the other day, and... This is always
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  Speaker 1: a highlight, and I don't even know when it started.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was with you, right? When they moved
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  Speaker 1: into Lumen Field, the raising the 12th man flag, is
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  Speaker 1: that when it started?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is when it started. But listen, I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to tell you something before we start football.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: My grandson is going to Whitworth.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he decided to go there. He could go any
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  Speaker 2: number of places and... Anyway, so I just thought I'd
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  Speaker 2: throw that at you because you kind of encouraged me
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  Speaker 2: to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Is he a student or student-athlete?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's a student. You know, I haven't heard from
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  Speaker 2: him in a while. He likes the outdoors. He likes
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  Speaker 2: to climb mountains and that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they've got a lot of outdoor programs there. Well, listen,
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  Speaker 1: that makes me really happy.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Look, congratulations. Great school. And you know, if they have
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  Speaker 1: any questions, the family does, dorms or whatever. let me
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  Speaker 1: know or I'll put them in charge. I'll put them
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  Speaker 1: in touch with Maya, the boss lady. She's the queen
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  Speaker 1: of Whitworth. She'll help them out.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. And I didn't mean to interrupt just the show,
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  Speaker 2: but I'd tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me just– and you mentioned this was soft
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  Speaker 1: the other day. You're going to raise the 12th man
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  Speaker 1: flag tonight. I think this is the second time you've
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  Speaker 1: done it, but on Monday Night Football, national audience, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be– the place is going to be
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  Speaker 1: going crazy. Mike, what does this mean to you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? It– I'll be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure I was going to do it because
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  Speaker 2: I've kind of stepped away from everything and it kind
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  Speaker 2: of stirs up things that I don't necessarily want to
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  Speaker 2: think about too much anymore. But then when I decided
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  Speaker 2: to do it, I'm very excited about it. And my
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  Speaker 2: grandkids and kids are going to be there with me.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the Chicago Bears that I have a history with. So, no, it's,
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  Speaker 2: and our great fans in Seattle, I mean, no, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be very special, I think, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: I kind of didn't chicken out on it, you know?
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  Speaker 1: I was there a few years ago when you and
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  Speaker 1: Matt went into the Ring of Honor. That was a
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  Speaker 1: really cool night, really, I know, emotional and everything else,
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  Speaker 1: and really fun. And to be able to share things
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  Speaker 1: like that with your family or special, the Ring of
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  Speaker 1: Honor is, and just going in and seeing your name
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  Speaker 1: up there, knowing And for people that don't know, in
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay, we used to joke about this. The street's
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  Speaker 1: named after Mike. Only joking because I'd sit there and
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  Speaker 1: be doing live shots for Fox 13. Hey, there's Holmgren Way.
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  Speaker 1: There it is right there. How about that? I know
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  Speaker 1: that guy. I tried to use that around town. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't get me too far sometimes. But seeing that. No,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what? Got me a good seat in
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  Speaker 1: the Italian place.
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I bet you got
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  Speaker 2: a good table at the Italian restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: I did. I did indeed. But, Mike, you've been honored
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  Speaker 1: in Green Bay. You've been honored here. Obviously, the great
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  Speaker 1: legacy you have in San Francisco. Seattle itself. I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: you started this, the 12-man tradition. You helped move this
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  Speaker 1: team into Lumen Field. I hope you still have some
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  Speaker 1: pride when you walk in there and understand that this
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of what you did. Guys like Mike
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  Speaker 1: McDonald and John Schneider now are taking it to a
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  Speaker 1: level as well. But you had a lot to do
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  Speaker 1: with what's going on now today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that, Ian. And I do
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  Speaker 2: think about that because when we came to Seattle, they
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  Speaker 2: were building the stadium. They wound up building the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: And if you remember, the first couple years, because the
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  Speaker 2: team was just still getting to where we wanted to be,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a lot of different colored jerseys there.
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  Speaker 2: because the seats were pretty expensive and it was new.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, the 12th man emerged
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  Speaker 2: under Todd Laiwiki. He helped that. And then it became
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  Speaker 2: the place to be on Sunday. It really was. And
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  Speaker 2: now it's legendary. It's very, very difficult for an opponent
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  Speaker 2: to come in and play there. And, you know, to see,
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  Speaker 2: to be able to grow a team and get to
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  Speaker 2: where we got... And I love my players. I love
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  Speaker 2: the people, the fans. And, yeah, I do think about that. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you get into coaching because I never aspired,
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  Speaker 2: and you know this, we've talked before, to be a
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  Speaker 2: pro coach. I liked coaching high school. I liked dealing
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  Speaker 2: with kids and trying to help them in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways. And then stuff happens, so here you are.
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  Speaker 2: But to be able to coach as long as I did,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I tease people now that, We stayed
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  Speaker 2: in Seattle because I didn't get fired, so we could
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  Speaker 2: stay here.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good way to look at it. Mike Holmgren
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  Speaker 1: joining us right now. Mike, the crowd, let's get back
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  Speaker 1: to that for a second because that can be a
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  Speaker 1: factor tonight. You know what it was like. You were
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  Speaker 1: on the sidelines for the 49ers for all those years
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  Speaker 1: and are in the press box, but coaching with Bill
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  Speaker 1: Walsh and Seifert and those great 49er teams here. You
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  Speaker 1: would come to the Kingdome. And they made that rule
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  Speaker 1: for a while where the crowd could get penalized for
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  Speaker 1: being too loud. And people might not remember that. It
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  Speaker 1: was one of the most ridiculous things ever in sports.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a kingdom rule. You came here and
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned it. We kind of got away from that
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  Speaker 1: for a while. The team went downhill and all those things.
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  Speaker 1: But you moved into Lumen Field and the 12th man
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  Speaker 1: and the crowd became a thing again. And I'll go back.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us a story. It was, I believe, was it
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  Speaker 1: the Giants game? It just went crazy, all the false
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  Speaker 1: start penalties and what opposing coaches were telling you. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go back to that because that's really when Lumen Field,
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  Speaker 1: Quest or whatever it was called back then, became a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no. I have a few noise stories. But Tom Coughlin,
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  Speaker 2: who was a friend of mine, coached the Giants, great coach.
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  Speaker 2: They came in, really good team. And they jumped on
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  Speaker 2: sides eight or nine times. And it helped us win
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  Speaker 2: that football game. And it was because of the crowd noise.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't used to that. People weren't quite used to
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  Speaker 2: that level of noise. And then I'll fast forward it
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  Speaker 2: to Joe Gibbs, one of the great coaches of all time.
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  Speaker 2: And his last game coaching was against me at the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: And we beat them in the playoffs. And, uh, he
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  Speaker 2: phoned me when I, when he wanted me to hire
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  Speaker 2: somebody else as a coach after he retired. And he goes, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: now tell me, I know you piped in music, uh, noise.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, coach, cause he was, he was a
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  Speaker 2: mentor to me and he was a friend. And I said, honestly, coach, we,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't, it was just the people in the stands.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, no, come on, come on. I've been in,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the coach a long time. I've never heard anything
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  Speaker 2: quite like that. You know, uh, And I know you did,
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  Speaker 2: but did you? And I said, I'm telling you the truth.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't do it. And he goes, look it, look it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm back now doing my car racing thing back on
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  Speaker 2: the East Coast. Someday you'll come and visit me, and
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  Speaker 2: you'll tell me the truth. You'll tell me the truth then.
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  Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'm telling you the truth now. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it was hard. And I think teams now,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like a lot of them, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: look at guards now. Now, turning around and looking at
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback and then tapping people on the leg and
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  Speaker 2: doing all that sort of stuff to deal with the
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  Speaker 2: noise level. And you never saw that before, ever.
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  Speaker 4: Nope. No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's, I think back to, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was lucky enough to get to cover this team for years,
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  Speaker 1: home and away, and saw all the stadiums in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been to Arrowhead a number of times and others.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go to my grave when this place is going.
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  Speaker 1: And the way Paul built the stadium, right? That was
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  Speaker 1: part of it, the way he built the stadium. For acoustics,
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  Speaker 1: he's a music guy. He wanted to have concerts here.
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  Speaker 1: We've had some great concerts over the years. But the
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  Speaker 1: way he built this, he built it to have the
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  Speaker 1: noise be what it is, right? That's why Lumen Field
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  Speaker 1: was built the way it was. Paul had a vision, correct?
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  Speaker 2: He absolutely did. And to your point, I've coached in
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  Speaker 2: every stadium in the league as an opponent. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people talk about Kansas City or they talk about Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: or they talk about any number of teams where it's
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  Speaker 2: really loud in those places. It's not even close. It's
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  Speaker 2: not even close. Because, you know, we didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: do too much and we were able to function as
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  Speaker 2: an offense and snap the ball, you know, even with
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  Speaker 2: the noise. And their fans were wild and crazy, but
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  Speaker 2: it's nothing like here.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing at all. Not even close. I think my favorite
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  Speaker 1: memory still is I was living out it. I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: back in Seattle yet. The Coughlin game with the Giants
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  Speaker 1: was one thing. The conference championship in 2015, or January
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  Speaker 1: of 2006, I should say, when you beat the Panthers. 34-14,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was it. Like, I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of the, like, that's the day that, Mike, to me,
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  Speaker 1: it set the bar. Like, you had everything going. You
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  Speaker 1: had a great team, great offensive line, and oh, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, the crowd made a difference that game and
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  Speaker 1: drove Steve Smith and the Panthers and DeLome crazy that game.
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  Speaker 2: No, they really did, and DeLome later played for me.
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  Speaker 2: We signed him when I was in Cleveland as the president.
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  Speaker 2: We signed DeLome, and he and I would joke about
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  Speaker 2: that because they came in, and they were prepared for noise,
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  Speaker 2: but he goes, Mike, he goes, and it was at
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  Speaker 2: the end of his career. He'd done a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good things, but he was a veteran quarterback, and he knew,
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  Speaker 2: and he came in and he said, Mike. I could
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  Speaker 2: not communicate in the huddle with guys two inches from
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  Speaker 2: my mouth. And, you know, I just couldn't. It was
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  Speaker 2: just too hard, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I would just say that for Seahawks fans driving in today,
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  Speaker 1: if you're hearing Mike, that's your cue to make sure
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  Speaker 1: tonight you make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: Period.
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  Speaker 1: End of story. I've got two quick football questions for you.
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  Speaker 1: One would be this. I know you talked about this
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  Speaker 1: with Softy for those who missed it the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Quinton Nelson comes in at left guard. He moves Zabel
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  Speaker 1: to right guard for this week. What kind of difference,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the five days that a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Nelson is as good as he is in the position,
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  Speaker 1: can he make a difference in game one? What kind
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  Speaker 1: of transition is it for him, and what kind of
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  Speaker 1: transition is it for Gray's able to go from left
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  Speaker 1: to right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think Nelson's going to come in and he's
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  Speaker 2: going to not miss a beat. You know, he's a veteran.
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  Speaker 2: He's been playing a long time. He's been so good.
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  Speaker 2: And the key there is communicating with the center, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and his left tackle. Make sure he's got the calls.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to learn those. But it's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be too complicated, and he's been at it a long time.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be good. I think the challenge would
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  Speaker 2: be for the left guard moving to right guard. And
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  Speaker 2: I think because your stance is a little different, and
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  Speaker 2: I always equated it with wide receivers. Jerry Rice is
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  Speaker 2: always lined up on our right, and every once in
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  Speaker 2: a while, Bill Walsh wanted him to go to the
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  Speaker 2: left side. And you go, okay, what's the big deal?
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  Speaker 2: It just was hard to determine what the big deal was,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a big deal. He wasn't quite the same.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think in the offensive line, though, his
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  Speaker 2: stance and the things he's– but he'll get that because
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  Speaker 2: he's a good player. He's a hardworking guy. But there
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  Speaker 2: will be a little bit of a new adjustment for him,
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  Speaker 2: I believe.
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  Speaker 1: My final thing is, and we're going to talk to
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  Speaker 1: Hugh coming up at 1. I'm going to ask– Hugh
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  Speaker 1: brought this up in the morning. JSN is great. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: you had, I don't know, Mike, I'm old, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to just go down and say it. Sorry, Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Rice is the best receiver in the history of the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: and then somebody can prove me otherwise at some point,
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  Speaker 1: but to me, he's the best ever. But he didn't
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  Speaker 1: catch every ball in San Francisco. Now, you also had
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  Speaker 1: a great one in John Taylor, and he had a
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  Speaker 1: great tight end and a good running back to catch
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  Speaker 1: the ball. So you had other weapons, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just the Jerry show in San Francisco. JSN is getting
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority of the targets and the catches. Is
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  Speaker 1: that sustainable, Mike, or does Horton, she heeds out tonight,
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  Speaker 1: but does Horton or Kup or some other guys have
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  Speaker 1: to step up?
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  Speaker 2: I believe they do. I've said it all season long,
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  Speaker 2: and I've talked to Dave about it on the show
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. It's hard for me to believe that
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  Speaker 2: he is so open all the time, that the defenses
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  Speaker 2: aren't doing something else. If I'm playing against him, like
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  Speaker 2: we played against, you mentioned it, with Steve Smith in
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  Speaker 2: the championship game, he's the one guy he's the one
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  Speaker 2: guy that can beat you by himself almost so you
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  Speaker 2: take him away you try and take him away and
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  Speaker 2: there are ways to do that even with a guy
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  Speaker 2: as great as JSN or at least slow him down
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  Speaker 2: a little bit and so I think it'll be important
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  Speaker 2: for other guys to show up and you know the
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  Speaker 2: tight end was always a big part of anything we
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  Speaker 2: did in any team I ever coached and I think
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks start using the tight end some more You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's OK. You know, you got to spread the ball
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  Speaker 2: around a little bit to make your offense as good
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  Speaker 2: as it possibly can be. That's what I want to see.
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  Speaker 2: But it's remarkable what he's doing, because I know teams
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  Speaker 2: are having this discussion in the defensive room, but they
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  Speaker 2: cannot stop him, it seems like. And then in tough situations,
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  Speaker 2: when it's close and he is covered and the ball's there,
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  Speaker 2: he catches it in traffic. I mean, he's a tough,
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  Speaker 2: and he's not the biggest guy in the world either.
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  Speaker 2: So he is spectacular, and, oh, boy, he would have
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  Speaker 2: been fun to coach.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, I just– wait, real quick. So you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: defensive coaches are trying to game plan against you? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to double-check.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to double-check.
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  Speaker 2: If they're not, if they're not, I'll phone every offensive–
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  Speaker 2: every head coach in the league and say, go in
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  Speaker 2: the defensive room and tell them.
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  Speaker 1: Number 11 is good at football. You guys should know
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  Speaker 1: that is your scouting report going in.
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  Speaker 2: Gee, I don't know what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. By the way, Mike Holmgren every Thursday is brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by Venue Kings. VenueKings.com. Mike, pretty easy to spell, M-I-K-E.
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  Speaker 1: Mike at checkout for your discount. That's a good place
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  Speaker 1: to go get tickets for tonight's sold-out game. one thing
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  Speaker 1: for you before you go you will be up there
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  Speaker 1: with your family which I think is awesome and that's
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  Speaker 1: the best part about it to share it with kids,
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  Speaker 1: grandkids and all that raising that 12th man flag they
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  Speaker 1: will see what dad and grandpa meant to this city
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  Speaker 1: which is an immense amount what you meant to this
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  Speaker 1: city and what you do mean to this city Mike
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  Speaker 1: it's not a thing where they hear from you they
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  Speaker 1: just see you so what would you tell Seahawks fans
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  Speaker 1: watching you tonight when they're going bananas when that flag
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  Speaker 1: goes up.
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  Speaker 2: I would tell them that it's an honor of a lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing I'd say, I'm so proud of
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  Speaker 2: how the people have responded. You have responded to this
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  Speaker 2: football team all these years. That's what I would tell them.
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  Speaker 1: And I would tell you thank you for what you've
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: done for our city. You took, I mentioned this earlier,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: we had a team going pretty well for a while
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: with Chuck Knox and Mike McCormick. They gave us some
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: legitimacy and did a great job. You took it to
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: levels that we'd never seen or could dream of before,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and we're still seeing that today. You're a guy that
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: worked for you named John Schneider. You might know him.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: He worked under you and for you and knows you well,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: and I don't think he's here if it wasn't for
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren, and we're not having a packed bar at
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: noon across the street. We're not having the success we're
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: having without Mike Holmgren. So on behalf of the fans,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'll just tell you, A, thank you, and B, I
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: miss you every week, but I love listening to you
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: with Softie and Dick every week. courtesy of Venue King.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: So thanks for popping on today, Mike. And have fun tonight.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the moment.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you're very kind. And I want to
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: tell you, I miss you too. And I miss Ashley.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: And you guys do a great job. But I think
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I could help a little bit if you wanted me to.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I may ask one time, all right? Here's the thing.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: much like when Jessamyn was my producer, people don't usually
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: say no to Jessamyn or Ashley. I can usually, when
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: they call, it's usually, yeah, yeah, I can probably do something.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So we may check with your agent, Softy, and others
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: down the road and get you on it because I
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: love having these conversations. We'll do it again before the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: end of the year. Mike, thank you so much. Enjoy
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the night tonight.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy.
• 17:29
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  Speaker 1: I want to get through that because I've got Hugh
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• 18:14
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• 18:17
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• 18:20
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Great.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: It.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I'll be sure to under-deliver for you. You can count
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: on that. Thanks for the nice words. Big game tonight, huh?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Big game. I was hoping the kid was going to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: be here. I was going to put him on. You
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: guys could have talked to Quentin Nelson, but he's not
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: down here yet. He's not down here yet. All right.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Let me get to– this is something– and by the way,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Hugh's going to join me again tomorrow. We'll do our
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: normal post-game hardcore football tomorrow during the show. And so
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: that's coming up tomorrow. But today I wanted to get
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Hugh on on a Monday like we always have anyway
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to get your thoughts, kind of a
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: preview for tonight. And then I heard a little bit,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a little snippet at the end of the morning show
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: with Anders and Chris. And that said, okay, I've got
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to have him expand on this. Let's talk about defending
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. And I'll just tee it up for you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: with this, Hugh. You brought up how different he is
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in and out of the pocket, I believe it is,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: rolling to his right.
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  Speaker 3: So what is the concern there? What must Seattle do? Well,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: first of all, a couple things. When he is out
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: of the pocket, his yards per attempt– 8.9 yards per
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: attempt is sixth. He's going to scramble, meaning choose to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: run it at 29%. That's eighth in the league. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: then he's going to throw it at least 20 yards
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: or more from the line of scrimmage exactly 20% of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the time. That's 7th in the league so he's a
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: danger when he gets out of the pocket he can
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: be a danger inside as well but you really respect
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: his ability to lengthen plays to play off script and
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I've watched the sack reel he's got 12 sacks on
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: there in fact I've watched it twice and On the
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: very first one of the season against Carolina, it was
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a bootleg, and the left end got up, and I'll
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: tell you about his technique in a second. He got
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the sack that got the first guy. The other 11
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: sacks were all Caleb Williams made the first guy miss.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: He has short, strong legs. He's got great lateral agility.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: He's very strong. So he breaks tackles. He loods tackles.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And so he's a load. So what you have to
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: do is you have to come in on a right-handed quarterback.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You're probably more likely to be in a bull rush
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: because then you can play both the B-gap, which is
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: between the guard and the tackle, and the C-gap. When
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: we talk about A, B, and C-gap, that's usually... Run terminology,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: but applies in the pass rush if you can visualize
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: it as well. And you can't get higher than the quarterback,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: meaning if the ball's snapped at the 30-yard line and
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the quarterback is at the 25, you can't get past
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the 25-yard line to the 24-yard line because then he'll
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: evade the pocket. He's looking for those escape patches. There's
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: exactly six if there's five linemen blocking. And he can
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: find them. And if with only four rushing, then that
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: means obviously there's two out of the six that are open.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So you've got a kind of two gap, Ian, where
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you're in the middle. When you're bull rushing, you can
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: go to either side. So I think particularly to Williams' right,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: because that's the more dangerous part, is to let the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: right-handed quarterback out of the right side. I mean, I'll
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: make you an analogy. You probably remember learning this at O'Day.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: If you accidentally put your elbow on a radiator that
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you did not know was behind you, the signal doesn't
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: go to your brain. It goes to your spinal cord,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: and then you reflexively pull away from it. It's called
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: spinal withdrawal reflex. Your brain doesn't even get involved. If
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you rush a quarterback, his impulse, it's like his brain
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't even get involved. Like his spinal cord tells him
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: to go to his right. And Caleb Williams as much
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: as anybody. If you make a beeline right at him,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: he will go around you to the right. So getting
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: back to what I promised you, I'd tell you about
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the technique that is exactly dead perfect that the Carolina
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: dude did. I forgot his number. You go to a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: spot two yards to the right of the right-handed quarterback.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: And then close in on him. Because if you run
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: straight at him, he's going to run around you. His
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: brain will just, like I said, well, not even his brain.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I was trying to carry out the analogy, but I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: using imagery, obviously, here. But he is going to just
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: reflexively get to that pocket. And the Seahawks have, they've,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: you know, that's been a problem for them, for example.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Last year in the opening game, remember, was it Tongass, whatever,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the tight end catch the ball in front of Reek Willen?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Well, DeMarcus Lawrence had the contain, and he let Brock
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Purdy out of the pocket, and now the play goes
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: twice as long. You've got to cover twice as long,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and Seattle loses the football game on that play, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: everybody wants to blame it on Reek Willen, and we
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: ripped him for lack of competitiveness in the end zone
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: going after the ball. Um, but fundamental football, DeMarcus Lawrence,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: you got to keep the right end of quarterback in
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: the pocket. Had that not happened, maybe Seattle wins that
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: 49er game. You can't have, we can't be talking tomorrow.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: You and me about the play that Caleb Williams made
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: outside the pocket because Seattle edge guys went right at him.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And then he was able to get around. I don't
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: want to, uh, downplay his, his ability to make plays
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  Speaker 3: to his left. He's great at that. Um, But there's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: a start, Ian, in terms of the game plan. You
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: can't be selfish. You've got to break down. So when
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you're coming at him, even if nobody's blocking you, your
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: ankles have got to get as wide as your shoulders.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Like you're running at– drop your hips, get your feet wider,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: and then close in on him at the last second,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: last few feet, you can then close in on him.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: But you cannot just beeline at him. He's going to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: make you miss.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And we're going to get to the offense in a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: second because I'll just tell people that we're getting reports that, again,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Jadarian Price will play tonight. We'll get to that in
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a second. Let me wrap up this part of the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: conversation on defense with this. When we're talking about the edge, guys,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we're talking about Demarcus Lawrence, Derek Hall, Dante Fowler, that group, right?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Because I don't think Nwosu is going to play tonight.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: He's listed as doubtful, and that usually means no. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it's those guys, or is it, I believe, Drake Thomas
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is back tonight, Tyrese Knight. Is it just kind of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a combination of all those guys?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: It's anybody who's coming off the edge. Leonard Williams. Eamon Worry.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Eamon Worry. Yeah, any blitzer. It could be Witherspoon. Leonard
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Williams is probably going to play more end than he has.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: because of Nwosu's absence. So maybe Riley Mills plays a
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: few more downs.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I like Riley Mills, man. I like him. He's shown flashes, right? Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Put it this way. I like the idea of Leonard
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Williams being outside and Riley Mills being inside more than
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I like the idea of Leonard Williams inside and Mike
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Morris outside.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I think you lose too much juice with Mike Morris.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: He's in the depth chart as an edge guy. And,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of course, you've got Connor O'Toole who's hurt. So they've
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: got some edge issues. Leonard Williams. But, again, the blitzers, yes. Now,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a couple things. In week one when the Bears hung
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: 59 on Carolina, you had Caleb Williams at 239 yards
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: outside the pocket, 14.1 yards per play. Then Minnesota, who
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: put the clamps on him, the next week, got him
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: down to 62 yards and 5.2. So slash that, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: then one final comment on it. If you watch the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Bronco game and how Seattle played Bo Nix in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: second half, I think that's a key. You're going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: see this. You had Seattle playing their zone defense because
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: they're number one in the NFL playing zone, the Seahawks.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: But then you had Eamon Worry– um, aligning, um, on
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage to eat up a blocker in
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: terms of the communication. So he was not off ball,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: but then he would just kind of circle around and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: he would just kind of linger. He got loiter like
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: at a coffee shop. He just loiter and wait. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: then whichever way Bo Nix flowed, then now here comes
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the turbo button with M and worry. And, and he
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: will just, he'll just kind of wait and see, uh,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the direction Caleb Williams is going. And look, if there's
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: one athlete on Seattle's team that I feel like they
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: can spy Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams is a beautiful athlete. Hell,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: this morning I was comparing him to John Elway, another
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: number one overall who had great arm talent and great
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: athletic elusiveness. But Eamon Worry, as Mike Holmgren says, the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: spies usually don't work. It's a nice idea on the whiteboard,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: but then the athletic quarterback makes the spy miss. Eamon
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Worre is one of the few guys in the league
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: that you can actually say you can spy. Not that Seattle, again,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: plays a lot of man-to-man, but they have him in
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: a spy-ish capacity like they did against Bo Nix. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: don't be surprised if Eamon Worre gets Caleb Williams down
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: a time or two tonight.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Humail and hardcore football. All right, we've got a few
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: more minutes. Stories coming out now from Rapoport and others that, indeed,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Jadarian Price will be active tonight against the Bears. So
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: we're expecting both Jadarian Price and Zach Charbonnet to be
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: playing tonight. No corresponding roster move yet. I'm going to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: assume it's going to be Bayless Jones going to the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: injured reserve. He's hurt, and there's not a spot for
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: him right now. So for the first time this year,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you're probably going to have the running back rotation you envisioned,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: knowing that Charbonnet was going to miss some games. Jadarian Price,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: your first-round pick. Zach Charbonnet. uh, who has a role
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and we can discuss. And then my guess is Emmanuel
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Wilson will return to what they had hoped. And that'd
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: be a short yardage back, not a lead back. And that's,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you know, who and what he would be. So that's one, two, three,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson goes to left guard. And then your right
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: guard is, uh, is going to be graze able. So
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that's that. What, what are realistic expectations you from the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: run game? And what do you want to see?
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I love obviously Quentin Nelson. I think that that's
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: going to be an asset. Um, And Jadarian Price, look,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: he's the only guy that can run the outside zone scheme,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and Seattle's been a little bit stubborn. I mean, even
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: to date with all of their injuries, their frequency, the
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: percentage of their runs that are outside zone is sixth
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: in the league. Without a guy that can run it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Without a guy who can run it, and the duo.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: play that scored late in the game against the Chiefs
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: with Emmanuel Wilson. Where we were saying, hey, they've got
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: to run more duo and inside runs. Now, they're different
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: blocking schemes. We don't have the time to go through them,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: but those are kind of more plunges right up the middle.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Duo's 29th, Seattle's 29th, and inside zone, they're 19th. One
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: more time, outside zone, they're 6th. So they've been trying
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: to run a scheme that doesn't fit their personnel, but
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: it does fit Jadarian Price. And, by the way, I
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: looked it up. The Colts are only... one team behind
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Seattle in the frequency. They're seventh in terms of outside zone.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: So you bring in Quentin Nelson. He can run any
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: damn scheme in any playbook. So I don't want to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: make it sound like that's exclusive. But he'll run the
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: outside zone. He can reach not just the outside zone
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to his side, the stretch left, but he'll be great
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: at playing in space and getting those cutback blocks available
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: and Jadarian Price, the very first play of the season
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: for the Seattle Seahawks against the Patriots was a wide
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: zone right. The Jadarian Price cut back all the way north,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: and it ended up being the backside C-gap. So it
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be frontside D-gap, and it landed backside
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: C-gap for 13 yards. Those kind of blocks on the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: backside allow that kind of run. On that occasion, Zabel
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: made a nice block as a left guard, You're going
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: to see an even higher level of blocking on those
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: backsides and front sides, of course, with Quentin Nelson. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: then Price, the ability to run the wide zone and
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: that juice, that's what the offense needed. This is coming
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: none too soon, particularly when you consider Shaheed for whatever
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: it's been worth. Maybe there's been a threat there, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: you take some speed off the field with Shahid. Now
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you add it with Jadarian Price and the ability, again,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: with a hopefully improved offensive line blocking for you. This
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: is good news for the Seattle Seahawks offensive line. Can't
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: wait to see it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Hugh, in the back of my mind, I'm going to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: be honest with you. In the back of my mind,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I like what I've seen in you. articulated that really
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: well in terms of that run with Price. We've seen
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: those flashes. When he runs the ball, we've seen flashes
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of why he's a first-round pick. Ball security, though, man.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: In the back of your mind, in the back of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the coach's mind, because it's in the front of my mind,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: is there a concern with ball security with this guy?
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he came into the league. He had the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: third-highest fumble rate in the draft class. He's laid a
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: couple down. And I would just say, hey, follow James
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Cook in Buffalo. He had a couple of punch outs
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: against him. And from that juncture, he's running through. When
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: he runs between the tackles, he's got his arms crossed
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: over like an X. He's got two hands on it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Even when he's not necessarily about to have imminent contact,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: he's just covering up with two hands as he's going.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: And so he made an in-season adjustment. There's a veteran.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: So somehow or another, through urgency or technique or the
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: combination of the both, Price has got to stop that
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: right now. Dick Baird, cue that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you, Dick.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: But look, he's a first-round draft pick. He's got the juice.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: When you watch him on the wide zones, I think
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: he's 7.6 yards per attempt when he takes the ball
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: outside on wide zone. Now, that's a limited sample size,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: but they've been great. I mean, when he reads that,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: when his read tells him, hey, I think Barner got
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the hook on the defensive end. Green light, go. Let's
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: get to the sideline.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: He bursts, and he has a– because Barner's saying, hurry, hurry,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: because I can't block this guy forever. Hurry, get your–
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And and and so you need the guy that has
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the speed to get to that spot. And then, you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: one that's fresh in my mind about that is is
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: he did what I'm just describing. Then that was to
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that was with the ball on the right hash. He
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: went stretch right, got to the edge. And now all
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of a sudden the sideline is is, you know, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: coming up on him as the. the 12th tackler. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: then he was able to, he had the athleticism after
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: getting around to change his, his, uh, momentum and, uh, and,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and get up the field for about an 11 yard game.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I said that, that is beautiful professional football right there.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: You know, like, like that, that's exactly like, like it
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: doesn't get better than that. Now you could say it
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: can get better if, if you go 80 yards.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: But that's not necessarily real ball. That, that just happens
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: by accident, but you get a nice 11 yard, uh,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: run into the boundary on a perfectly blocked on the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: edge and a running back who has the juice to
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: get there and then the athleticism to not run out
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: of bounds, but somehow... change his momentum and get it
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: going vertical and get 10, 11 yards, it doesn't get
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: better than that. And hopefully Price feels healthy enough tonight
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: and they're blocking well enough that we see some of that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Now what happens is the defense is going to– they've
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: got to flow harder because they say, oh, even though–
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Most outside zones, wide zones don't actually get outside. They
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: actually cut up, but the, the linebacker, those at the
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: second level, they got to haul ass and they gotta,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: they gotta go, Oh, there's a threat to get outside.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Now that opens up a lot of play action stuff
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: where the, the defensive line is going laterally. And now
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that gives you more pass protection. If you're going to
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: do naked bootlegs and get the core, the corner, a
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: quarterback out of the backside. Now you've got those crossing
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: routes where the, The linebackers go, oh, damn, I was
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: sprinting to go stop the stretch, but now I got
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: to stop and go cover the over route on the
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: tight end. Like there's a there's a synergy to success
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: in the wide zone that carries into the the the
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the drop back play action. It carries into the naked
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: boot play action. It carries into whether you actually don't
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: get to the outside, but then you just, you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: cut it up field. As I, as I mentioned, going from,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: you know, D gap to C gap, all of that
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: stuff's available. Price can make the scheme work. Nobody else can.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And I can't think of a better night to see
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: it than tonight.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. The roster moves are official. See, I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: just released it. Jadarian Price activated from injury reserve. So
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: he's back. Zach Charbonnet is back. That's official. The corresponding
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: roster move, Robert Henry Jr. I almost forgot he was here.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: He was waived off the 53-man roster to make room
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: for Price. Always your favorite memory of Robert Henry Jr.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: in his three weeks of being in active view. And
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks also had a depth at two positions. They're
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: bringing up Montari Foster Jr. Remember him from Hard Knocks?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: He's been elevated from the practice squad as a receiver.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: That's with Rashid Shaheed out. And then Bobby Hart, depth tackle. God,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a few plays. Bobby Hart has been elevated from the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: practice squad as well because Josh Jones starting in place
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of Charles Cross, Torrey Horton. I know Torrey Horton's going
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to have a bigger role. You and I both know
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that tonight. At least he has to. He has to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: have a bigger role, doesn't he? He's got to have
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a bigger role.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Let me talk about a problem that I saw with
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: him last game. So he had one target. On that occasion,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs were playing man-to-man, but they doubled Jackson Smith
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: and Jigba.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: What?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: JSN was the only guy that was doubled. Everybody else
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: was singled. So now Darnold comes back over the middle,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and Horton's got an in-breaking route, intermediate in-breaking route, kind
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: of a crossing route, intermediate crossing route. When Horton did that,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: he was, the term is gaining ground. And by the way,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: they put the best corner on Horton. Number five, Antoine Deneur, Deneur, Mont.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: The number six overall pick.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Montsour Delane?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Montsour Delane. Thank you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just making this stuff up as I go along.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: All good. All good.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: So Montsour Delane was covering Torrey Horton, man to man.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: And then two other guys were covering JSN. So now
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you got Darnold comes back inside after recognizing JSN has
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: doubled and And there's an opportunity in man coverage. You've
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: got to win on that one, Torrey Horton. And he
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: was gaining ground. What that means is when he went
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: up the field kind of at an angle towards the
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: middle field and then he broke it, but instead of
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: breaking it flat and, let's say, parallel to line of
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: scrimmage or losing ground, which would be actually at a
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: slight angle closer to the line of scrimmage, Instead of
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: having that flat angle or even losing ground, he gained
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: ground more like a post. Now, it wasn't as severe
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: as a post, but he was allowing the defender to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: undercut the play. And that's kind of a wide receiver no-no.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And the defender made a play. I think it was
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: third down. Got a pass breakup and Seattle's punting. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: then you go, no, no, no. Horton, you've got to
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: be on point with your technique. And so let's see
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: if tonight he learned a lesson. We could get a
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: couple receptions out of Torrey Horton.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: More at 4 with Softee and Fane?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I think so, yes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Hugh Millen back on at 4 o'clock with
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Softee and Fane. I'll talk to you tomorrow. We'll recap
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: what hopefully is a Seahawk win, my friend. Great stuff
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: as always.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Down. Okay, go Hawks.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: There you go, Hugh Millen, the great Hugh Millen. Speaking
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of great, the great Greg Cosell joins us next.
• 39:49
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• 40:01
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• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando joins us every Monday at this time as
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: we talk all things NFL, a tour around the NFL.
• 40:13
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• 40:17
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• 40:20
  Speaker 1: with us now. Hello, Mike. How are you?
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Should be a fun night.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I was just talking to Dick Fain here in a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: break a moment ago. I mean, we're sitting here at
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Jimmy's on first. And, you know, it's a smaller bar,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: but the bar and the restaurant is a pretty good size.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And they've got a back room for the bar. It's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: been packed since noon. Monday night football. Mike, Monday night
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: football in Seattle is still a special time. I'll just
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: say that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: It really, really is. I wonder, you know, are there
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: a lot of Bear fans running around?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, you know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it's always hard. I'll be honest with you. It's always
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: hard to tell when we're down here because we were
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: here for the first game as well on that Wednesday
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: with Denver. And, you know, you see Patriots fans kind
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of like we're seeing Bears fans kind of sprinkled in.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: You just never know what the stadium's going to look like. Mike,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I go back. I've talked about this a lot. I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: don't know if you and I have ever discussed it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I go back to Pete Carroll's last year and those
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: back-to-back home games with Pittsburgh and San Francisco when the
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: opposing fans literally took over Lumen Field for the first
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: time since really they opened that building. To me, that
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: was one of the fun, and I heard this, I
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: heard the rumblings, that that was one of the things
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that was not making Jody and Burt Cole very happy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: It's changed, though, a little bit over the years. It's
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: gotten back to the old days, it feels like.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I think so. I think it has. You know, it's just, Now,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: money really talks, and there's a lot of people who
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: have a lot of it that are fans of a team,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: and they're going to circle certain games and go. And
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: so that does happen. I think in this case, the Bears,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: at least they're not a bunch of red jerseys. Sometimes
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: that looks crazy. Sometimes that makes it look worse than
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: it actually is when you can see everybody.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think whether it's the red Niners jerseys or
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that year, the yellow of the Steelers just jumped out
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: at everybody. But no, I don't know. Listen, it'll be
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a great atmosphere tonight. Again, just judging by how early
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: people got here today, there's a lot of excitement for
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: this game. There's quarterback news all over the NFL. There's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff I want to get to. I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: love the piece today. In fact, I even referenced it
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: when I was doing a thing with my buddy down
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in KMBR with John Lund about the arms race in
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the NFC compared to, as you wrote, about the AFC.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. Let's get your
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: thoughts on tonight's matchup, Seattle and Chicago. It's great on paper.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It's a conference game. Both teams... Right now, we're looking
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: at wild card spots, but also have designs on the division.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: This is, for a first weekend in November, about as
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: big a game as it gets outside of your own division. Absolutely.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: I think it's different from the Kansas City game where
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: all eyes really were on Kenneth Walker, stop him. I
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: think the Bears don't necessarily have that, but they have
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: a lot of different guys with, I think, a really
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: great schemer in Ben Johnson and a quarterback who is
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: in some ways, he's not as good as Patrick Mahomes,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: but he's younger and can run around in a way
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: that I think there's going to be plays to be
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: made on both sides where really the question to me
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: is can Seattle make two of his three off-schedule plays
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: be bad, right? Versus him being able to make two
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: of three of them good. I think that's really what
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: a lot of this is going to come down to
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: because they will probably speed him up a little bit
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: and yet he can He can do some amazing things
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: with his feet and his arm. I still think Seattle
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: at home with that defense will be difficult for him
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: on the whole.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Where did you have him in the quarterback tiers, Caleb Williams?
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: He moved up, I believe, to number 11, so he
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: was pretty high into tier two. He may have been
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: more like 15, actually. He and Drake May both moved
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: up into into tier two so he was he was
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: definitely up there.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Is he a great example of how coaching can really
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: make i mean you can have all the talent in
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the world and if you get to this level even
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: if you're you know a backup uh tanner mckee for
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: example you know i mean what have you it's just
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like you're still really good like you're one of the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like like on the planet you're one of the top
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know however many guys 65 guys in the world
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: doing this for a living but you need to have
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the stuff around you it just feels like ben johnson
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: really was kind of the the magic potion that's getting
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: the most out of caleb williams No doubt.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: And remember the players have to buy into, I think
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: that's been a big thing with, with, uh, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, when he first got there, it was kind
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: of a mess and, and, you know, you're just not gonna,
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: you can't fool the players, you know, and I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: everybody knows that Ben Johnson really can put them in position, uh,
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: to do well and be their best. And so that's
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: how you get the best out of the guys. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: I think they've done, they've done that with Caleb Williams.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: You know, I think there's still a next step for him.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: I think the attention to detail at that position and,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: what really goes into being the absolute best. Coaching can't
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: do that, but, man, he has so much ability that
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: when you pair him, when you give him some of
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: the run game stuff they can do and have the
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: good scheme, I mean, it can be pretty dynamic. It's
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: the best. And we saw that they scored 59 points
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: in a game.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're special. Mike Sando joining us from The Athletic, theathletic.com.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Pick 6 Calm is up there for you right now. Mike,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: let's go around the league. And, boy, there's just a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: ton of quarterback news. We'll start first with the one
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that's really kind of, to be honest with you, I'll
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: do respect Arizona, not near the top of the list.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: But interesting that they have come out down there. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Michael Fleur in Arizona just a short time ago saying, yeah,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Brissette's on the bench. We're going with Gardner Minshew. And
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Carson Beck is number two, which may make him the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: future number one. Because Minshew could give you a game
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: or two. He's not a full-time starter. Go Cougs. But
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: interesting news out of Arizona just a few minutes ago.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're definitely a step closer. I think for Kershen Beck,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's fair to him with that
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: team to ask him to go a whole season or
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: even half of the season, but maybe this just gets
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: him a step closer. You see how it goes with Minshew.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's a couple of games, but I think we're
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: definitely going to see enough games of Beck for them
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: to be able to make maybe some kind of a
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: decision in the offseason as to where he fits into it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: For Seahawks fans, Minshew's debut as a starter this year
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: with Arizona comes next week against Seattle, against the Seahawks.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: That's a nice soft landing.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt. They probably don't want Carson Beck playing
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: that game, put it that way.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I would think so. What do the Baltimore Ravens do now?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley, both with long-term injuries.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: To me, they're just not going to be you know, uh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: a very good team. I just haven't seen the consistency
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: really in any phase for them. And you would probably
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: more if Lamar Jackson were healthy, but, uh, to, to me,
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: you know, they're going to have to get a quarterback.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they're going to be able to
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: get Beijing away from Chicago. That would make the most sense.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: They have a game Thursday, so he's not going to
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: help them. You know, they're, they're going to be, uh,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: they're not getting Kirk cousins, you know, so I think
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: they're just going to be in trouble.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: That's just, there's, and, I'm curious about something. I go back.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I'm referencing my conversation for the second time with Lund
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: today down at KMBR. We had this conversation. It's a
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: really interesting dynamic around the league. You're far enough into
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the season, you know, halfway point or thereabouts with the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: 17-game schedule, that you kind of know who the teams
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: are that are the haves and the have-nots. But there's
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: also a line probably, too, right, Mike, between are you
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: a playoff team or are you a contender? and that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: kind of what we saw last week with some of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: the trades that were being made. Teams that are in,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I guess, what you want to call it a go-for-it mode,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: making those moves, whether it be Seattle, Chicago, the 49ers,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: we saw it in the offseason with the Rams. Is
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it safe to say there is a difference between, hey,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: we think we can get to the playoffs, which would
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: be great, or we're truly a contending team?
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I think there definitely is. Those teams that actually can
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: go you know maybe get to the Super Bowl I
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: think they kind of show themselves by some of the
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: moves that they make and you don't see as much
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: kind of these marginal fringe teams doing that and some
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: of that is you know the players that you're acquiring
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: especially if they're a meaningful player they don't want to
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: you can't fool them they don't want to go to
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: some team that isn't that good right and in some
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: cases they don't want to go to certain cities yeah
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I think that's a part of it too and so
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: you see You know, you see guys going to L.A.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: where they may not want to go to even Kansas City, right?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I bring that up because I just
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: look at the NFC. Like, I don't think anybody in
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the NFC East is a contender, and I don't think
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: anybody in the NFC South is a contender. But you
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: could probably make an argument that everybody in the NFC North,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I know people maybe push back on Detroit a little bit, but,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: everyone in the NFC North and three of the four
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in the NFC West, you could make an argument that
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: there's seven teams in the NFC that are real, true
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: contenders for a Super Bowl.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was interesting that the Giants let
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: it be known, I think, that they were going after
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Simmons, too. Really? To me, with where they're at,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: it sort of feels like first-year program They're finding their
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: way at quarterback. So, you know, not that they ended
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: up getting them, but I thought that was kind of
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: interesting that that got out, that John Harbaugh actually called
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: the owner of the Titans trying to get that done,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: kind of signaling that they think they're in that group.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: But to me, they're a division winner by default group
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: that won't go anywhere.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: What'd you think of the moves that were made? We'll
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: start here in Seattle with Quinton Nelson coming to the Seahawks.
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: I just love that move. You know, you just, you
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: almost can't believe they did it, even though it's logical.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Don't you feel that way? Like there's, you know, until
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: it actually happens, you're like, wow, they just got Quentin Nelson.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: You know, they, they'd used a first round pick on
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Gray's able. So they had a lot of re a
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: lot of excuses or reasons why you wouldn't make a move. Um,
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: and Hey, you're getting this guy back or whatever, and
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: you're going to get your running backs back. So I
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: think it's just a real, uh, aggressive, why not us
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: type of a move that, really gives them not just
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: depth on the line, but I mean, it gives you
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: a really a frontline leader and, and somebody who, who
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: can help define your offensive line, I think.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I think there's a, you know, listen, not just because
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of the position, but just the attitude. It feels like
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Steve Hutchinson qualities to him in
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: this sense that Hutch raised everyone. Everyone else was bigger
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: with Hutch, right? When Hutch was here, everyone else was bigger.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Same thing. We went to Minnesota, uh, When Hutch left here,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: they still had good players. Lockwood was still here. Jones
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: was still here. Robbie still had a year left. Chris
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: might have retired. But it wasn't the same because that guy,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: an attitude guy on the offensive line, that makes a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: difference as much as the play.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Chris Crater definitely did not retire. I think
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: he hasn't formally retired yet. I think he would play
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: this week if they gave him a call. I see
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: him every couple years. He's a good one. He's a gamer. But, yeah,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I think Hutch totally brought that to the line. And everyone,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: you know, that line, you know, I think each one
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: of those guys brought something to it. But Hutchinson definitely
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: gave it the, hey, you know, no one's going to
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: pick on you in the bar type of a thing.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: You know, and I think that's definitely, you know, Quentin
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: Nelson has some of that in addition to just being
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: a great player. I mean, that many all pros. And
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: I think he's definitely, you know, got a few really
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: good seasons left. So to have that fall into your
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: lap when you think about where they've been on the
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: offensive line, you know, over a lot of the last
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: 10 or even 15 years, kind of since that group, right,
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: with Hutchinson. It just feels like a great luxury to
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: be able to add that.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I would, you know, the one thing that it
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: feels like the San Francisco 49ers have in common with
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: John Schneider, they love bringing back their old players. Schneider
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: did it with Bruce Irvin, with Frank Clark, with Marshawn Lynch, etc.,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and whether it be Debo Samuel or now, I guess,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner. Let's bring them on back to San Francisco.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: How about that move?
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. I like the move for them. I think
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Buckner's still a good player. He's not a dominant player,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: but you just know what you're going to get, and
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: I think sometimes so many times with trades, there is
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: a tie-in on the staff anyway. There's a coordinator or
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: position coach who had the person, and it just gives
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: you confidence that they're going to come in and you
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: know what you're going to get. I think that's It's
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: one of the things that's been hard about trading sometimes
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: in the past is the fit, but now these coaches
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: move around so much. Staffs move around. I think there's
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: probably more connections than there used to be just because
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: guys change places and now they get reunited.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: We get to see Jeffrey Simmons tonight. That certainly helps
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. That is a big-time pickup.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. What a great pickup in terms of what he's
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: going to give them right now. They obviously gave up
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: a lot, but the contract's pretty good for them. And again,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: like how often do you add a player like that?
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's probably the best player on their defense.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: You know, he may be the best defensive player in
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: that division. I know Aiden Hutchinson and others are there,
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: but that's just an amazing type of player to get.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Wrap it up with this with Mike. You've covered this
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: league for a long time, so you've covered Jerry Jones
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: for a long time. That was a bad loss yesterday.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I think we'd all agree upon that. Whether it be Schottenheimer,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Christian Parker just hasn't worked as a D coordinator, but
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: they've been going through those like Seattle Mariners go through
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: hitting coaches, so I don't know what the problem is.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I think we kind of know what the problem is,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the head of the snake, but what's your read on
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: what's going on down in Dallas?
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: It was so patented. To me, it's just exactly what
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: happened to them. They won a game last week, and
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: now everyone's talking about how good they are. And that
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: includes the people like... Some of the stuff coming out
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: of there, just like the coverage of the team, was like, hey, okay,
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: now they can do this, this, and this. In the
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: back of my mind, I was just thinking, you've got
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: to beat Arizona. They've lost to Arizona so many times.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: That's the Cowboys. Get a little full of themselves. Get excited.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: They really are kind of a marketing operation in the
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: end through their owner, and it just feels like that
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: to me, that they just can't handle success even in
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: the short term.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'm
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: going to say it. there are times because of how
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: they operate and how you described it, they're kind of
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: more unserious about football winning than just.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's just, well, people, people who've coached there
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: say that, I mean, it's just, it's a different feel.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, you, you've heard the stories about how at the,
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: you know, at the star, you know, their big, uh, complex,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: there's fans coming through on tours and they can see
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: through the glass to, you know, inside the zoo when
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: people are at work. It's crazy to me. I, it is. I, I.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Did their preseason game here. Actually, I'm doing the Monday
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: night game here, too, for National Radio. And I'm looking
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: through their media guide. And the amount of pages devoted
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: to the Jones family's bios.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Remarkable. Like, it's remarkable. Now, I didn't know Stephen was
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: land man and like an oil engineer in a sense. Like,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: that's what he studied. But, I mean, so I found
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that somewhat fascinating. It could be on with Billy Bob
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But, like, I'm reading through that, and it's–
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: All this, it's like a book on them, and then, oh, here,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: by the way, here's Dak Prescott, and here's his final.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're all kind of interesting people,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: and when you're around them, they're pretty nice, and they're thoughtful,
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: you know, and they're interesting, and that sort of a thing, but,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: you know, everyone owns the team. Everyone gets something different
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: out of owning the team. Some people, Jeffrey Lurie bought
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: the Eagles. He loves the draft. You know, he's all
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: about the draft. He's interested in that. Jerry Jones, you know,
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: he played football. He's a football guy, but he loves
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: the He loves to be in the spotlight and have
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: it be a business and that part of it. So
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: they're all different, but man, that's different from just about
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: anybody else in terms of that much of an overt
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: emphasis on the marketing of the team.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Paul Allen loved the NBA draft,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that. That's why Martel Webster and
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Quintel Woods and some of those guys were there. I mean, that's, hey,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you know what? You're the guy paying the money. That's
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: your job. But luckily, the NFL draft luckily wasn't his thing,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: so it worked out better here for the football team. Mike,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: great stuff. I know you're on later in the week
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: with the boys, so enjoy Monday Night Football tonight, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next week.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, you too.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: That's Mike Sandoz, the great Mike Sandoz from The Athletic, theathletic.com.
• 56:58
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