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MBA Wire Taps 386—750 GMAT, partner considerations. 329 GRE or 720 GMAT. Reapplying to Marshall · Clear Admit MBA Admissions Podcast

• 0:16
  Speaker A: Welcome to the clear admit MBA admissions podcast. I'm Graham Richmond, and this is your wiretaps for Monday, September 30, 2024. For more than 100 years, Emory University's Goisueta business School has been a training ground for principal leaders and a laboratory for powerful insights. Whether you're looking to accelerate your career or make a career pivot, Emory's one year and two year full time MBA programs prepare you for a lifetime of career confidence. Learn more about Emory's top 20 MBA with top five career outcomes offering world class academics and small by design classes delivered in a dynamic global city. More at Emory Bizarre clear admit. I'm joined by Alex Brown from Cornwall, England. Alex, how are things this week?
• 1:05
  Speaker B: Very good, thank you, Graham.
• 1:06
  Speaker A: So I can't believe we're almost going to turn the page here into October, but what's going on right now in terms of deadlines and what are you seeing on Livewire in terms of activity?
• 1:16
  Speaker B: Yeah, we're starting to see some interview invites coming out on livewire for round one, especially schools like Kellogg. Yale saw a couple from Haasden, etcetera. But lots of deadlines upcoming this week. 13 round one deadlines and a round two deadline for schools that we cover. They include Sloane, Fuqua, Anderson, Tepper, Marshall, Foster, Smith, Cox, Carlson, Darden, Goizetta, Ansheller, Washington, Ohlin.
• 1:47
  Speaker A: Wow.
• 1:48
  Speaker B: In terms of round one and side, Oxford has it sort of, it calls it stage two. Fuqua is also scheduled to release interview invites next week. From its early action round, I assume Darden two. We don't know when Harvard is going to release its round one interview invites yet, but we anticipate either this upcoming week or next week.
• 2:11
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 2:11
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 2:11
  Speaker A: Lots going on. Yeah. If history is any indication, those Harvard invites are imminent. Probably any day now. I mean, we'll see. I mean, it's possible they could come out before you're listening to this podcast, right? We'll see.
• 2:24
  Speaker B: Yeah, unlikely. Typically, Harvard will post a blog announcing the detail. They have a new admissions director, I believe, if I'm remembering rightly, coming on board this season. So maybe they're not going to post a blog. You never know when you get someone else in charge. They will operate a little bit differently, but hopefully they still do that, because I find that a really good source of information. But, yeah, so typically it's been a blog post with the detail of the interview invite process and then the actual invites three or four days after that blog post.
• 3:02
  Speaker A: Yeah, I had actually had a phone call with their new admissions director at HBS. I really like her. She's a grad at the school and just really lovely person. So I was really excited to get to kind of connect with her and trying to.
• 3:15
  Speaker B: Graham, you like everybody.
• 3:18
  Speaker A: Well, I mean, yeah.
• 3:19
  Speaker B: No, I'm kidding.
• 3:19
  Speaker A: No, I mean, I think, you know, her having graduated from the program, and also, I mean, she has a great team that works under her. And so, yeah, I expect things will run quite similarly. But we shall see.
• 3:31
  Speaker B: I mean, I hate to say it, but I'm a huge fan of the Harvard admissions process, so I assume they keep that the same. But it is, in my book, the most transparent, the best understood from an applicant perspective. You know, they say they're going to release interview invites on a certain date. They do that exactly. To tune and. Yeah, it's a really thorough and transparent process.
• 4:01
  Speaker A: Yeah. And why do you hate to say that? Because you used to work at Wharton, so there's that rivalry.
• 4:05
  Speaker B: Well, I think we. When we were at Wharton, actually, that was what we aspired to do. Yeah.
• 4:09
  Speaker A: To be transparent.
• 4:10
  Speaker B: Maybe they still do that to some extent. Yes.
• 4:13
  Speaker A: So, speaking of. So, I want to mention, we just finished our great September series of webinars. And so last week, you know, I connected with Duke and Columbia and Tepper and Georgetown and Macomb. So that was a great session. All those sessions are archived, and you can watch them on YouTube. So definitely tune in if you're applying to any of those schools, because they unveiled all kinds of great kind of admissions advice. So, yeah, that was a lot of fun, Alex. We had great turnout all three weeks. Just so much fun.
• 4:41
  Speaker B: So, what did you learn this week? Last week, I should say.
• 4:43
  Speaker A: Yeah. So last week, I thought about this, because you keep putting me on the spot every week. So I actually thought about it, and one thing that was fascinating to me is that you have group of five schools, and they all interview very differently. So, Columbia. It was Jordan Blitzer from Columbia. She made it a point to talk about how their interviewers are totally unaware of your candidacy. Right. Maybe they get a resume, but it's like a resume based interview. They haven't read your file. They've no idea what your scores are. And she said, that's really intentional on the part of the committee, because they want someone to come into this process and meet with you who isn't already being influenced by a test score or what some admissions officer wrote in your file. So they want that kind of totally separate perspective.
• 5:27
  Speaker B: So if you got a good test score, make sure it's on your resume.
• 5:29
  Speaker A: That's what you're saying, I don't know about that, but, yeah, I guess it never hurts. Right? But the other thing was fascinating, though, is that then Tepper, the woman from Tepper, this great admissions rep named Paige Davies, she was talking about how they do non blind interviews and how when they sit down with you, they've got combed through your file, and they're looking to have what she called a kind of deeper dive discussion about specifics, you know? And so it gives them a chance to say, hey, I know all this about you from the file. I've read it. Let's talk about, you know, things at the next level, you know, so just two different approaches. I don't think one is right or wrong at all, and we see this consistently, but it does. The point I'm trying to make, I guess, in a very long winded fashion, is you gotta know what you're getting into when you interview. And that's why you just know the process, because, you know, if you go into that Columbia interview, assuming that the person knows a lot about you, you're going to just totally bomb it out. Right. But. And similarly, you know, the Carnegie Mellon interview, you better know that they know your file, and you've got to tell them more than what's in the file. So just very different. Uh oh. Yeah, it does, probably. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You can't get them to read the file. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So the next event we have is not until October 16, so a couple weeks away still. But that's a West Coast MBA webinar, and that features Berkeley, Haas, Stanford, UC Irvine, UCLA, Anderson, and newly added to the University of Washington Foster. So this is like, all the best programs on the west coast. We're doing a webinar about getting your MBA out west and the sort of particularities of that. So it should be a lot of fun. And you can sign up at bit ly westcoastmba. All one word, all lowercase. Well, they haven't gotten back to us, so by virtue, no, but they may. There's a possibility they could join, too. I'm actually. We're having some emailing, actually, so we'll see. We'll see. I'll keep you posted. Other than that, on the website, we're still offering lots of admissions tips. We did one about letters of support, which are not recommendation letters. These are like when a current student or an alum writes a letter on your behalf, usually unbeknownst to you, kind of in the sense that they're just writing a letter to the committee about how happy they are you've applied. We have a great tip about those types of letters. Cause there are kind of do's and don'ts there. And we also have a tip, and this wasn't planned on blind, sort of resume based interviews versus application based interviews. So there's a whole tip about what you need to do and just what we were talking about, Alex, and there's even a video attached to that one that you and I recorded to sort of talk about interview types. Other than that, we did a couple more real humans pieces. So we're off to the races, profiling current students at all the top schools. We caught up with current students at Cornell, and in each of these pieces we usually talk with six, you know, five or six students. But I'll just highlight a little tidbit from each of them. We connected with Cornell. We talked to a student, her name is Zainab Mahmoud, and she used to work in HR, actually studied at McGill in Canada, but is originally from London in the United Kingdom. And we asked her, just what's your initial impression of the Cornell Johnson kind of culture students community? And she says, the community is equally ambitious and supportive. Students, faculty and staff are driven to make an impact, hold themselves to high standards, and help each other succeed. The pay it forward culture here means that people are not only intelligent, inquisitive, and motivated, but they also genuinely care about lifting each other up. So I thought that was nice to hear. I mean, we do hear that a lot about Johnson and some of these smaller programs in kind of non urban settings. They have this kind of nice sense of community and helping each other out. So that was definitely coming through loud and clear. Yeah, and then you're going to love this next one. So London business school, we did the same thing, caught up with like six of their students, these very intense, like, very in depth interviews, so you should read them on the site. But one of their students, you won't believe this, Alex. His name is Travis Bruffy and he is a former NFL player. He played for the Green Bay packers, which I seem to recall that was like your team when you lived in the United States. He's from Texas. And we just asked him, like, why did you choose lbs? Right? I mean, he's, you know, from Texas, went to play for the packers in Wisconsin. And so how does he end up at LBS? He says LBS is the world's business school. No program has the global reach nor multinational impact that this business school drives. After having left my Texas hometown several years ago. Lbs was the only natural option to aid in my pursuit of global impact. So he's really excited about LBS's kind of international nature and he goes on and on about they really have an international student body, et cetera. So that was nice to hear. Oh, I didn't know. I know. You're teaching some stuff for them these days, right? Yeah. That's excellent. Wow. Okay. So then other, and I know we got three candidates to talk about this week, but we also have three schools that released their class of 26 profiles. As we've been doing the last couple weeks, these are really starting to come fast and furious. So Harvard, MIT and Tuck all published class profiles files. So I'll just run through some of the numbers with you, Alex, and get your take. Harvard had 9856 applications. That's up from 8149. So they had almost 2000 more applications this year than last. They ended up with 930 students, which is actually eight students fewer than they ended up with the year before. So they did not basically change the class size despite having all that additional application volume. The current class that just started this fall is 45% women. There are 35% international students. That's down a tick from 39%. They have an average of five years work experience. The undergraduate GPA that these students came in with on the 40 scale is a 3.69. That's a little lower than it was last year when it was 3.73. GMAT score holds steady. 740 is the median gre, also holding steady at 326. So not much has changed. A little less international and a slight downtick on the GPA. But what do you make of that, Alex?
• 12:53
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, the app volume is quite interesting, right? It goes up a lot. I don't think it's at record yet. I know when we were at Wharton back in the day, we were hitting some really high numbers and I think Harvard was very close around that 10,000. So we're sort of getting back to those numbers and holding the class steady. That doesn't surprise me. In as much as Harvard has constraints, right, they can't suddenly have 1000 students because they've got to get more seats in the class or whatever. So that doesn't surprise me. It does surprise me a little bit that maybe the quality metrics didn't push up a little bit so they could have been a bit more selective because they had a larger applicant pool. But again, their quality metrics are absolutely outstanding anyway. But it's always curious, right? An average median GMAT of 740 and a median gre of 326. That just doesn't compute. I mean, they're not equivalent, so. But that's similar to a lot of schools, right? They seem to have a lower median gre score than they do for the GMAT, but anyway. Yeah, looks like a really great class, as usual. Top of the heap.
• 14:09
  Speaker A: Yeah. So we'll turn to their crosstown neighbor. So MIt did not share application volume. They did. The current class has 433 students. That's up a little bit from 409 last year. They have 49% women. That is up. It was 46 last year. They have 40% international students. And undergraduate GPA is 3.71. The median GMAT is a 730. That's up one point from last year. And they don't give Gre averages, they just give the middle 80%. And it's basically unchanged from last year. Middle 80% is like 157 to 170 on the quant and 157 to 168 on the verbal. But again, neither of them are really changed much from last year, but they're not giving the median or the average, which strikes me as a bit, just a little annoying, is to add a.
• 15:05
  Speaker B: Little bit more fuzziness to that average median GrE score. Who knows what it really is at Sloan, right?
• 15:11
  Speaker A: Yeah. Interesting. But what do you make of their numbers? I mean, a couple of things jumped out at me. Like, they have a 3.71 average GPA. They had almost gender parity at 49% women.
• 15:20
  Speaker B: So, yeah, it seems like they've managed to nudge their class, the quality metrics on their class up just a little bit. So that's very good. And again, symptomatic of a higher at volume, but. Yeah, no, very good.
• 15:34
  Speaker A: Yeah. So the last school is tuck. Tuck has 296 students, which is identical in size. I mean, they. 297. Last year. They actually did share application volume. They're 36% more apps in terms of volume this past year. So they had a big applicant pool, 44% women. They have 30% international. That's down a tick. It was 33% last year. Average work experience, 5.75 years. The undergraduate GPA is a 3.6. That's up from a 3.49. Average. GMAT score is a 727, up from a 726. GRE averages a 322. And they also shared the percentage of students submitting GRE scores, and that's 46%, up from 42%. So what do you make of the tuck numbers?
• 16:29
  Speaker B: Again, these are very good numbers, but this. It just puzzles me, this GRE versus GMAT, because 727 is not equivalent to a 322.
• 16:40
  Speaker A: It is nothing.
• 16:42
  Speaker B: And you're saying that 46% got that median of 322. So, yeah, that just doesn't jive with me completely. We'll talk about this a little bit more, actually, with one of our candidates.
• 16:54
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's right.
• 16:55
  Speaker B: Who has a 720 and has a three. What was it? A 329. And it's like, well, which is better because they are equivalent, but clearly they'd be better off submitting the GRE score.
• 17:12
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. This is a big debate, and we could do a whole episode, probably about test scores and how. And waivers and how all this landscape has just been changing. But we digress. We got to get on and talk about our candidates for the week. I did want to make a plug for the fact that we aired a podcast that I recorded with David Simpson over at London business school. A really nice deep dive into all of their, you know, all the nuances of their application process. David's a great guy, and it was just nice to have him on the show. And I think within the next week, we're going have a similar episode coming out with Emily Brierly from Cambridge Judge. So a couple of uk based schools that I had a chance to sit down with. And we'll try and keep doing these. Like, I'll try to sit down with some of the, you know, us admissions directors over the course of this cycle. So stay tuned. You can always write to us with requests or comments@infoclearadmit.com. dot use the subject line wiretaps. Alex, anything else? Before we talk about this week's candidates, let's kick on. All right, so this is wiretaps. Candidate number one. Our first candidate has six schools on the target list looking to start school in the fall of 25. And they have, those schools are Tepper, Harvard, MIT, Kellogg, Chicago, and Wharton. This person's been doing healthcare consulting and data analysis prior to business school. And they're thinking. Thinking about a kind of consulting tech pharma event after school. And I think they list, like, a mix of company types, but there's this definite kind of healthcare thread that they reference throughout. They have a GMAT score of 750 and a gpa of 3.85. They've been working for three and a half years. And they had a little bit of dialogue with you, which I'll let you explain, Aldoushen. But what do you make of this candidate? I mean, the interested in healthcare, pretty good numbers. So what do you think?
• 19:04
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think this is potentially a little bit of a younger candidate overall, but really strong potential. Their numbers are extraordinary. I mean, we've just quoted the stats for Harvard, Tuck and Sloan, and they would move those numbers up at each of those schools, right? 750 gmat, 385 Gpa and so forth. So they're clearly academically very strong. So it's going to boil down a little bit in terms of the absolute quality of that work experience, their impact and their growth. But let's assume that that's sort of in play and looks strong. I mean, the outside of work they do a bit of improv and some other stuff. So it seems like they've got a good sort of balance there too, which schools will like. So I think they need to be aiming high, which is very, very good. And yeah, quite honestly, this is overall, I think this is a very good candidate for targeting the top programs.
• 20:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, one of the things you pointed out to them was that if they're interested in healthcare, they had the likes of Kellogg and Wharton on their list, but they didn't have Fuqua at Duke and they mentioned that they're restricted geographically. Right?
• 20:21
  Speaker B: Yeah. So this is quite interesting because we talk about different schools and I, the type of candidates they can attract and so on and so forth. And this is a candidate who's applying with the considerations of their partner also top of mind. So I asked them directly, I said, maybe you need to be looking at Fuqua, as you said, because it's very strong for the healthcare. And their response was, with my partner considerations in place, we're not going to look at Fuqua, we're not going to look at Tuck because they're smaller environments, etcetera, etcetera. And I think sometimes schools, I mean, obviously these types of programs which are really super strong and have real good qualities for being in these more sort of intimate environments. There are also some challenges too, in terms of recruiting high calibre candidates that are considering their partners, etcetera.
• 21:26
  Speaker A: Yeah. And I think what's interesting is that these schools often have the most supportive partner clubs because I think what's happening with this candidate is they're saying, well, my partner needs to work and maybe they have a job constraint. But it is an interesting dilemma. And I love you read all these articles about, I don't know, Silicon Valley CEO's taking these month long retreats into the wilderness to work on strategy and things. And I always think of those MBA programs at the Dardans and Tucks and these sort of more kind of rural programs as that you get to unplug and sort of really focus on just the NBA. But at the same time, yeah, if you're traveling with a partner, there might be other considerations. So, yeah, it's a bit of a juggle, and everyone has to make those choices, but I think this person's going to land on their feet. They have a number of schools on the target list and amazing stats, so they should be okay.
• 22:19
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker A: Excellent.
• 22:21
  Speaker B: Very good.
• 22:21
  Speaker A: All right, let's move on and talk about wiretaps. Candidate number two. So this week's second candidate has nine schools on the target list, and they're also looking to start in the fall of 25. So they're applying to Columbia, Duke, Emory, Harvard, MIT, Kellogg, Stern, Chicago, and Yale. And this person's been working in tech implementation and tech consulting before business school. They have a 329 on the Grenada and a 3.25 undergraduate GPA, six years of work experience. And they mentioned that they are a 29 year old indian american male working in tech. They basically, you know, throughout that, those six years, they've been helping Fortune 500 company to, like, implement cloud and SaaS solutions. And it sounds like they've also done some things on the side entrepreneurially. They've actually launched a small business and scaled it to, like, over a million in sales within the first year, which, I mean, bravo. That's not no small feat. And so they have a number of other activities. They have this, I guess they mentioned they had, what was it, a 720 on the old GMAT and a 329 on the GRE this year. And they were kind of wondering what we thought about that in terms of, like, which do they push forward? And they also have a bunch of extracurriculars. So I'll leave it there. But what do you make of this candidate? Are they overrepresented? Because they're kind of working in tech and they're indian american? And are the numbers good enough? There are a lot of kind of questions here.
• 23:53
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think that they are potentially going to be put in that sort of overrepresented bucket, which makes just applying to round one is going to give them an advantage. And I know some of the schools on their target list they are targeting in round one.
• 24:07
  Speaker A: Right.
• 24:08
  Speaker B: So hopefully they can overcome that particular issue. Certainly with those programs. Now, I've got to imagine that professional experience is actually pretty rock solid and good. And I love the entrepreneurial addition to it, too. You say small business, but if you can scale it to a million, whatever in year one, I'm not sure how small that business is, but it seems like that's really, really good. Actually. You've got to worry that they might come across as a little bit sort of. Of. I'm not saying one dimensional because again, that entrepreneurial stuff sort of shows a different dimension, but they're heavy on the tech side.
• 24:51
  Speaker A: Right. They're not like a ballet dancer in their spare time or something.
• 24:54
  Speaker B: Right?
• 24:54
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker B: Right. So some. Something that shows a completely different aspect to their personality and profile might add some value there, you know, 3.25 gpa. That's a little bit ho hum relative to the average stats that we reported earlier at these top schools. And. Yeah, this 720 gmat versus 329 gre, they. I think they're pretty close and equivalent, but clearly the data says focus on that 329 GRE for the programs that they're targeting. So that's above. Yeah, that's above the Gre for Harvard. Even though Harvard's average GMAT 740 and et cetera, it's well above the GRE for tuck and they're below the GMAT for tuck. So. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:54
  Speaker A: I can only think of two schools that have 329 plus average. I think it's maybe Stanford have a very high.
• 26:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, it was Stanford.
• 26:03
  Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. So they definitely should just go with that gre, even though, as we've pointed out a couple of times on this episode, it's not the same thing. Know, but schools are. Yeah, for some reason, so. Yeah, but do you think. So I wanted to ask you about school selection with this candidate because, you know, they have a lot of schools on the list. They've applied to some in round one and then they're going to leave some for round two. And I'm seeing kind of a mix of, you know, there are a bunch of m seven schools. You also have the likes of Duke and Yale on the list and then you have Emory. So do you think that they're. They have a good sort of target list? I mean, any advice on that front?
• 26:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, I like the spread, especially the spread in round one because they've got a couple of m seven s. So that's obviously in the highest tier. They've got Fuqua then in the next tier, and then our sponsor actually, Goizetta.
• 26:50
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's right.
• 26:51
  Speaker B: Is also in that mix. So I think they've done a good job of sort of targeting potential reaches and then sort of hitting perhaps where they sit. So hopefully that strategy pays off.
• 27:05
  Speaker A: Yeah, agreed. And I actually. It's funny you brought that up. We never do a shout out to Emory for supporting the show and they do a lot to support the show, which we really appreciate, but we try to be totally impartial right. But we do appreciate their support.
• 27:19
  Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:20
  Speaker A: So best of luck to this candidate, though, I think, as you point out, I think they have the right strategy and that they have a nice range of schools they're targeting and they've got some in round one and even within the round one there's a nice range. So, yeah, I think they're going to land on their feet. But, yeah, if they do anything creative or artsy or very different from the tech side, definitely mention it because it'll help them to seem a bit more well rounded. But, yeah. Thanks for sharing that post. Let's move on and talk about wiretaps. Candidate number three. So our final candidate this week is an interesting one in that they have one school on the target list and that school is USC Marshall. They're applying now to matriculate next fall. They are actually a reapplicant to which we'll get into in a moment. This person is a healthcare consultant, senior analyst. That's been their pre MBA career and they're hoping to work in pharma after business school. And they mentioned Amgen J and J Pfizer and some others. They have a GRE score of 325 and a GPA of 3.46. They have four and a half years of work experience. Now, when they applied the first time, they only had three and a half. They're located in Los Angeles and they want to. In Los Angeles. And they mentioned that they are a 26 year old LA native Korean American. They then ask, is that considered overrepresented or not? So that's a good question. And they mentioned that, you know, they are applying round one for Marshall and that's the only one they're applying to. They had applied there last year, but their application was put together a bit hastily and they only had a 318 on the GRE, which they've retaken to earn that 325. So they did get waitlisted last year, but without an interview. So I don't know what you make of this, Alex. I mean, they're giving it another try and in the first round and probably with a better application and better stats. So what do you think?
• 29:15
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think they've got a good shot this time around. Right. Coming into the first round, they've got a considerably better Gre score. They've obviously spent a lot more time thinking about their application, so they didn't put it together hastily and they've got another year of life experience, work experience, etcetera to draw from. So there's going to have to be hopefully some growth and impact from that additional experience. So I would think that as a reapplicant, they sit pretty well. Whether they're overrepresented or not, I don't think it's really something. Well, they can't control for that anyway, right. So what they can do is get into the first round, which is what they're doing. So I think that's very good. It just puzzles me a little bit. They went all in on Marshall last season and they're going all in on Marshall again this season. And yeah, I understand that they're an LA native and they want to remain in LA, but there is one other very good business school in LA. Well, there's more than one other, but there's one other outstanding business school in LA that they could be targeting. And at the end of the day, I think it makes sense to be targeting both because that's going to increase your odds of at least getting into one and maybe some scholarship money, et cetera, et cetera. So I would be definitely looking at Anderson, too, and getting apps into both of those programs. Their first round deadlines are both next week, this upcoming week, so they're not going to be able to get Anderson in, into round one. But I'd definitely be looking hard at Anderson per round, too.
• 30:48
  Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I want to ask you a question. So this person really wants to work in healthcare and they actually specified they'd love to join a leadership development program at one of the biggest healthcare companies, right. And so they're going, I mean, they're applying for a full time MBA. Right. And so I just want to put the question out there. Why not also look at Kellogg, Duke and Wharton schools that are pretty well known for healthcare strengths and placing people into those kinds of leadership programs and then return to LA after the two year experience in another market, just to put that out there as an idea?
• 31:22
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a very interesting option. Right. Why not use the NBA to have a completely different experience away from LA to come back to LA? I would just. I mean, Kellogg might be a good target for that. They've probably got a bigger pipeline back into LA. Well, actually Wharton probably, too. But it's like, identify two or three of those programs that you just listed that does have an alumni base back in laden.
• 31:47
  Speaker A: Right.
• 31:48
  Speaker B: That might be an interesting other option, but their alumni basis back in LA is not going to be as large as. Certainly Marshall and Anderson agreed, whether they're richer or not. Another question. But obviously the breadth of the alumni networks for Anderson and Marshall will be unparalleled.
• 32:12
  Speaker A: Yeah. And, I mean, to be frank, I'm kind of just having some fun playing devil's advocate here with thinking through some of these options. But it did occur to me that sometimes you see someone who will say, I live in Chicago and I'm applying to the part time programs at Kellogg and Booth. Cause I'm gonna keep working. And so I'm not leaving here. Right. But this person seems to be saying they wanna go full time. And so I was like, wow, if you're going full time, you could go somewhere else for a couple of years. But they may have other reasons. Right? People have all kinds of reasons to stay in their market. Partners, family, whatever it might be. So it's totally possible. But even so, the point you're making, we need to underline, which is, why aren't they applying to Anderson, too? If, at minimum, maybe there'll be a scholarship that could be involved. I mean, their numbers are pretty good and they seem like they have interesting work experience, very clear, differentiated goals. So lots alike here, but, yeah, we'll see. Best of luck to them. And, yeah, maybe they'll get an app into Andersen based on our advice. We'll see.
• 33:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, best of luck to them. Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker A: All right, so, thanks for picking out these candidates, Alex. And, yeah, let's do it all again next week. I can't wait to just hear what you cook up for us next week.
• 33:15
  Speaker B: Very good. Stay safe, everyone. Care.