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I Die (for the FBI) | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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And good morning. This is DeProgram with Ted
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Rall and Jamarl Thomas for Tuesday, September
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29th, 2026. And here's what we've got for you
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today. A criminal hacking group called Shiny
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Hunters has stolen information. It's hacked into
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the FBI and stolen personal information and
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contact information for tens of thousands of
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former and current FBI employees, one of the
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biggest breaches of government information ever.
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As usual, Kash Patel looking awesome. And yesterday,
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if you watched or listened to DeProgram, we called
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this one. We said that the arrest of five guys
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in Great Britain for the crime of driving vans
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near an airbase, where it's likely to be bullshit,
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it looks like bullshit is exactly what it turned
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out to be. Looking into that. We alluded last
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week to the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu allegedly
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had received pretty clear warning signs of the
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October 7th attacks and had failed to pass those
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on to the Mossad. Now we have confirmation via
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the New York Times that is sourcing first persons
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who spoke to the president of the UAE, Sheikh
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Mohammed bin Zayed. And these people have confirmed
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that, in fact, Netanyahu did receive these clear
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warnings and decided to ignore them. And last,
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we have an executive order that Donald Trump
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signed when he first became president in his
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second term, saying that trans women who are
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in federal prisons would be placed in men's jails.
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Also, it prohibits federal prisons from giving
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transgender inmates gender transition medical
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treatments for gender dysphoria. That executive
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order has been on hold due to court cases running
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their way through the courts. But now Trump is
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going to the U.S. Supreme Court to try to make
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those policies come real. Please like, follow,
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up after that. Good morning, Jamarl. How are you
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doing? I'm doing okay. I can't complain. Good,
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good. I don't know if we're live on YouTube or
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not. It's hard to tell from the interface here
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on... Yes... And good, and we're live
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on Rumble too. Okay, good, good, good. Okay,
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good. All right, so that's all good to hear.
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And I'm trying to think what else is going on
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here. Okay, so please, if you have a comment,
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I promise you this one works. Just don't do the
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It's like trying to pay off national debt to
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get this thing to work. We've got some good stuff
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here. Oh, we do. I love that. That's a great
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shirt. Lifting neighbors up to higher standards.
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Bad neighbors make good fences. And they do.
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They do, indeed. And for my non-history nerds,
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that is my patron saint, if I was Catholic, Vlad
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Tepes. Love the guy. Have y'all ever studied
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the night attack, Ted? No. He damn near captured
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Mehmet II. He found his tent. He took his
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pillows. Was he out taking a piss? What happened?
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No, so what they were doing... I want to know
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in history how many famous people were spared
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death by pooing or peeing instead of being where
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they were supposed to be. No, what Vlad did is
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that he had his men nail their horseshoes on
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their horses backwards. So it looked like they
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were going the other way. So the Ottomans are
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tracking them because Vlad had pissed them off
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to no end. Lured him into this valley. Then he
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attacked in the middle of the night, which is
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something you just did not do back then. Just
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killed thousands of them, took the Sultan's tent,
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captured his harem, took his stuff. I have no
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idea where he was, but Vlad damn near captured
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or killed the conqueror of Constantinople. After
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whom Sultan Ahmet, the neighborhood in the historical
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district in Istanbul is named after. Okay. Let's
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What do you want to talk about first?
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Jamarl, you always get a choice. That is awesome.
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The Netanyahu one. So AP is reporting that Netanyahu
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traveled to the UAE to have a conversation to
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basically tell him, deny, deny, deny. Do not
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tell them that I had a conversation with you
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about October 7th. Now, obviously, he didn't
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deny this. As you pointed out, the New York Times
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is reporting that this is being outed pretty
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heavily, that indeed Netanyahu knew about October
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7th. He was told by October 7th that he didn't
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necessarily relay that information to other security
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services in Israel. Now, of course, Netanyahu,
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the implication here is primarily the Israeli
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elections, which are coming up later, basically
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exactly one month from now. And so for the Israeli
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for the Israeli voting public this has to
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be a major issue, right? It's okay
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so if you knew that October 7th was about
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to happen but you didn't do anything about it
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then all this misery and pain that was
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inflicted on our hostages and our troops was
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on you. That obviously would be their concern
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because we know they don't really care about
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the people of Gaza. Just how serious,
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I guess, okay, I want to give
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the devil its due, his due in this case, right?
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So this reminds me a little bit of the August
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6th, 2001 memo that went to George W. Bush from
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the CIA that said, it's our assessment that Al
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-Qaeda is preparing to launch a major attack
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against the United States. But there was no detail
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if you read the memo, right? If you're George
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W. Bush, assuming he was capable of reading it,
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he would not have known where, when, what.
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In other words, even if it was just something
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as simple as planes are about to be hijacked,
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well, then you can notify the FAA to beef up
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security. He didn't know it was going
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to be planes. He didn't know it's going to be
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in September. He didn't know. So it's kind of
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like if I say, hey, Jamarl, be very careful. I
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think something bad's going to happen to you
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and you're like, "God, Ted, thank you so much. You're
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my best friend. What's going to happen? What should
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I look out for? Just be really careful." And you're
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like, "What am I supposed to do with that information?"
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So is that? I'm playing devil's advocate
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here, but I know you are. This is completely different.
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This would be like if I said, "Ted, the people
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that you're keeping in the open air ghetto are
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staging a revolt and considering an attack and
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you know the location, you know the group, you
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know. I know. I know the where. I know the where
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and I know the who. You know all of the stuff,
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right? As opposed to some randos may hijack
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a plane in the entirety of the United States
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in a country of 320 million people. Okay, Israel
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is a country of 9 million people with like hundreds
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of thousands of Palestinians, but they're localized
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in one location because you got them in an open
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air ghetto. So when you're getting that information
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and you choose not to relay that information,
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and I suspect you choose not to relay that information
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for reasons. Those reasons being you want your
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reason and your rationale for your greater Israel
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project to kick off. And you believe that this
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will be the thing that would allow you to implicate
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that project in a greater sense. Meaning, you
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want an excuse. And you want to pretend as if
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you didn't know anything about that excuse. And
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honestly, there's parts about this story that
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are mind-blowing. The idea that Yahya Sinwar
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was the person who released the information that
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they were relaying. And you say to yourself,
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what? Why? Yeah! That part is mind-blowing
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if that part is true. And I don't know if that
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part is true or not. So I'm going to put a pin
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in that part. Well, there is this, we've talked
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about it here. There is a culture among Islamist
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jihadism that you are supposed to warn your intended
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victim of a pending raid or attack. It's insane
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if that's true. Yeah. You're not supposed to
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necessarily be specific. It's usually more like
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straighten out or I'm coming to get you. And
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it kind of gives you the moral high ground
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because you gave the person warning, like shape
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up, cut the shit. And then they didn't, they
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chose not to do that. And now you have the right
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to kick their ass. There is no such thing as
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morality. There's culture though. There's culture,
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but it makes no sense. A lot of shit doesn't
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make any sense. True. No, that's true, but it puts
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me in the mind of the Brits when they're fighting
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the Americans and they're like, "It doesn't
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make any sense to put people into an open-air
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prison and then not and think that they're not
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going to try to bust out and kill you."
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Well, I do think, no BS, I think Netanyahu
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was looking at this kind of in the way that the
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Americans were looking at it going after the
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Native Americans or even, oddly enough, in a similar
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way that Hamas was looking at this, meaning
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sure we're going to get attacked. And we know
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Israel is going to get attacked. However, we're
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going to create greater Israel. And in a hundred
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years, when they look back on Israel that goes
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from the river to the sea, that is parts of Saudi
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Arabia, that is parts of Syria, that is parts
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of et cetera, then they're going to be okay with
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this because they're going to enjoy the fruits
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of my psychopathy. Meaning, yes, I'm doing really
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bad things, but I'm doing bad things because...
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For a good reason. Right. It's a perversion of
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the Spock thing, right? What benefits the
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greater number of people. Right. I may get people
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killed now, but in 100 years... That's not going
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to matter. Those people would have been dead
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by then anyway. But Israel will now be bigger.
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I think that's what he looks at. Oh, 100%. Yeah,
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it's like one quote that
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I've always heard Jewish Israelis
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say is, in the Middle East life is very cheap
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and land is very expensive. Yes. So you
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and that includes Jewish Israeli
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lives which the Israeli government does not
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care about. So if we lose a thousand Israelis
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but we create greater Israel, what does it matter?
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I think it's that. Yeah. I think for
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sure Netanyahu knew specifically and beyond this
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Emirati warning, reported warning.
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Let's assume it didn't even happen, right? The
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point is that Mossad had to know what was
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coming. They had incredible surveillance
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and tracking. They knew the addresses and phone
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numbers of every citizen. Well, they're not citizens.
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Of every resident of Gaza and the West Bank.
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They know their occupations. They know their
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ID numbers. They know everything about them.
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That's why they were, in some cases, able to
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call them before their building was bombed and
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said, you have 10 minutes to get out. Your building's
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about to be blown up. So, yeah, they know. Not
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to mention, I forget which socials it was, but
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maybe it was Instagram or Facebook, but Hamas
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was posting the practice sessions for the raid
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online. Where were they? Yeah, a year ahead of
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time. So clearly... So they were kind of... Basically,
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I think the Hamas fighters who got into Israel
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on October 7th, they were shocked at how easy
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things were. They just walked in and basically,
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for example, there was an IDF post where the
14:04
door was open. And basically, they just walked
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in and no one was there. It had been abandoned.
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Clearly, the IDF was told to stand down. And
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as the New York Times reported, do not take my
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word for it. Go Google it yourself if you're
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a Zionist. They literally, the IDF did
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not respond in some cases for well more than
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eight and a half hours to kibbutzim residents
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who were calling desperately for help
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from their safe rooms. And they were like, these
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people are here. You have to come. Israel's
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minute. It's the size of New Jersey. It has good
14:42
roads. There's no place you can get from anywhere
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to anywhere in that country in under three hours.
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And taking your time. This is the idea.
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They have helicopters. They have planes.
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Come on. It's like they deliberately let the
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attack unfold. And they wanted it to happen
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because they knew it was going to be a pretext
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to allow them to indulge in this massive land
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grab, which incidentally, by the way, the Times
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is also reporting that the Israelis have gone
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even beyond the control of 70% of the Gaza Strip.
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They've gone beyond the borders of the ceasefire
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and started encroaching even further into Gaza,
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beyond the points of the ceasefire zone.
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Historically, there is premise to doing things
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out in the open to lull your opponent into a
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sense of complacency. Now, armies have done that
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throughout history, go out, do maneuvers at a
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certain time of the day, all the time, for months
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on end. And then you just kind of just build
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that routine into your enemy. It doesn't surprise
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me how Mossad is doing this, because Israel is
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looking for something that's abnormal. How do
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you make it abnormal? By making it normal. And
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you just do it over months or weeks, or in this
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case, a year. And then you're just like, oh,
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they're playing with their paragliders again.
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Yeah. No, I hear you. I think it's
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weird because obviously, if General
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Thomas and General Rall are planning an operation,
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we're going to enforce secrecy at the point of
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a gun, right? Nobody's going
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to talk. Nobody's going to be posting on Insta.
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If they do, they're dead.
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Totally, totally. It's like hanging this guy
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upside down. That's what happens when
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you talk. All right, everybody shut
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the hell up. Yeah, shut the fuck up. All right,
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so all right, let's do some comments and we
16:41
can move on because we only have an hour, so
16:43
we got to be a little faster than usual. Okay,
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Makadin, I would have thought Robby would disapprove
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of someone who was so into anal penetration.
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Anal or Amal? It's because of Vlad. He's
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impaling people. Yeah. All right. Listen, I like
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lawn ornaments. I have no problem with that.
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Exile the Knights of Malta now. Ted, it's come
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to my attention to flirt auto-incorrect. We
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should just call him Fuck Fauci from now on.
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Okay. Dudlis. Yes, Jamarl, but have you considered
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that Israel has God on their side? Oh, Wonder
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Woman? Is that what you were talking about?
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I think it's just Israel has always
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claims to have God on their side. God gave
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this to us. Well I thought thousands
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of years ago it was ours or whatever. Name is
17:42
the Wonder Woman character. By the way, if God
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gave the Jews Israel, the modern state of Israel
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or Palestine, right, they were pretty ungrateful
17:51
for it. They didn't
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They were like, ah, this place for 1,900
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years. They could have come back.
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They chose not to. They were gone. It's
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Sorry, dudes.
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What this is like when that
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whole narrative is kind of like when
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you go to the bar and there's a drink
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at a table but there's no one there and then
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you're like there's no place to sit so you sit
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there and someone's like, hey that seat's taken
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you're like, no one's been there for 30 minutes
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and my ass is sore. I want to sit down. That's
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what the Israelis are like. Oh, yeah, we weren't
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here for it. Look, we put our glass there on
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that stool. So we were gone for 1,900 years
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taking a shit and smoking. But now,
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we want it back. No, no, no, no. There's
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a limit. I don't know what that limit is,
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but 1,900 years is past that limit. Well, God
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gave it to you. Why do you need to fight so hard?
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It's God, right? True. You don't have to be able
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to smite anybody who tries to sit in your seat.
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It's because he took it away. That's what they
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don't want. That's a part of it in the Old and
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New Covenants that they don't want to acknowledge.
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All throughout the Bible, starting Deuteronomy,
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it said there are blessings and there are cursings.
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If you do what you're supposed to do, if you
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keep your end of the covenant, this is where
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you're going to be. It's going to be a land of
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milk and honey. You'll be a light unto the nations.
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If you don't, I'm going to destroy you, scatter
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you all over the world. As a matter of fact,
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if you go through, if you read. I'm going
19:24
to diaspora your ass. I want to say Deuteronomy
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23. He describes a nation who will come from
19:29
far off with wings of eagles, speaking a language
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you do not understand, with a yoke of iron, and
19:36
they will destroy you. You've got to do that
19:38
Bible talk show. I think I'll do that with you
19:43
if you want me. Mr. A. Lee, Hamas was in talks
19:53
with the Israelis. It was Netanyahu who was stalling
19:59
on the deal, hoping the Abraham Accords come
20:02
first. That's true. That's true because Israel
20:05
had no reason to negotiate. This stuff is not
20:10
about...
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There is a rational reason to be credible when you're
20:18
dealing with people because if you're credible
20:20
they know that you're credible. Okay, this person's
20:22
being honest in negotiations, but that's not really
20:24
Israel. Israel is never really honest in negotiations
20:27
because they don't feel like they need to be
20:29
honest in negotiations. It's like Hamas from that
20:31
point of view has nothing. If we're
20:33
not honest in negotiations, so what? What are you
20:36
going to do about it?
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Yeah, nothing. As our guest
20:41
Ben Moser said the other day,
20:48
it's a standard ploy on the part of the Israelis and
20:53
the Zionists to pretend to negotiate. That's
20:55
a standard tactic, but they're never,
20:59
they'll make a deal and then break it or
21:02
they'll just cut off negotiations right
21:04
before a deal was about to be reached.
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You know what that's like. They never want it.
21:08
They want it. No.
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Palestine. They wanted
21:14
the West Bank. They wanted Lebanon. Meaning they
21:16
want these things so these are things that they're
21:18
pushing in order to get. They're not making a
21:20
deal about it. They don't feel like they need
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to. From the point of view the U.S. got raided
21:24
by Kim's Coffee Talk. Thank you so much for raiding
21:27
us on Rumble, Kim's Coffee Talk. We love it again
21:30
when people tell people to go to
21:33
the show. It's a misnomer, right, because it sounds
21:36
like different from what it is. Literally
21:38
they're sending their listeners over into our
21:41
chat. It sounds like the opposite, right? It
21:45
sounds like we're taking things away. That's
21:46
what a raid usually looks like. Well, they're
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attacking you. It's kind of like Vlad again.
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No, he raided Mehmet. Well, please attack
21:55
me. Please attack me this way as much as you
21:57
want. The moralists are great.
22:00
That's a good problem to have. But no, what you
22:02
do is at the end of your stream, you just, you
22:05
and your entire audience goes to the channel
22:08
of your choice. And y'all go say hello or whatever.
22:10
It helps with the old level metrics. That's what
22:11
it means to raid. Okay. Yep. Douglas Hobden.
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Comrade Robby knows his guerrilla tactics. He
22:18
will make a fine leader when the revolution comes.
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I agree with that. And I'll play the role of
22:24
Che. He'll be Fidel. Che had asthma, too, and
22:27
he was croaking in the jungle. But Che killed
22:32
people of different sexual orientations. I don't
22:36
think that you could be a Che. You're too liberal
22:38
for him. No, I wouldn't do that. We'll be talking
22:40
about the trans prison thing shortly. Okay, so
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Zola Rosa, RIP to Mr. Belding from Saved by the
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Bell. Free Palestine. And thanks for the $5.
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I never saw Saved by the Bell. Really? I used
22:57
to love that. I go through periods where I just
22:59
don't watch TV. Oh, but see, you are much older.
23:03
When I was going through it, I was a teenager
23:05
watching Saved by the Bell. You were probably
23:07
an adult. You were in your 20s. Yeah, yeah. By
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the way, I was just reading. This is the second
23:11
reference to Saved by the Bell in a 24-hour
23:14
period. There was a reassessment in the New York
23:16
Times of the 1995 film Showgirls. Yes. And the
23:22
star of, I forget her name, she was from Saved
23:25
by the Bell, right? Yes, she was. And apparently
23:28
Showgirls completely ruined her career. It was
23:31
Paul Verhoeven's movie. It was a horrible movie.
23:34
Well, for one, at the time, I don't
23:37
know if you remember, it was big because it was
23:39
kind of like, ooh, this is very risque. And she's
23:42
being in a movie that is very risque after leaving
23:45
this child's show. By the way, Joe Eszterhas,
23:48
who was the screenwriter, was paid more money
23:52
for that script at the time than had ever been
23:55
paid to a screenwriter in Hollywood history,
23:57
like one and a half million dollars. And so the
24:01
thing is, now the assessment is that this was
24:04
satire. And that Paul, as Tarantino
24:08
said, Paul Verhoeven was in on the joke, but
24:11
Joe Eszterhas was not. I think it was a terrible
24:14
movie in a lot of respects. Even little, there's
24:17
little tells, for example, this will sound
24:20
stupid, but the street signs don't look right.
24:23
They look ticky tacky.
24:25
You didn't hire a real designer who knows what
24:27
things actually look like in Vegas and stuff.
24:29
And it's just like. But now I'm saying this as
24:33
a huge fan of Paul Verhoeven. I think
24:36
the man is a god. I think he's one of the best,
24:38
finest film directors of all time. What is another
24:41
movie he directed? RoboCop, Starship Troopers,
24:45
Hollow Man. Oh, what's the one on Mars where
24:53
they go? Total Recall, the original version.
24:57
Yeah. He did She,
25:04
which is amazing. Oh, Black
25:09
Book, which sort of is an inversion of the traditional
25:13
Holocaust narrative. It's so cool. Paul
25:16
Verhoeven's a genius. I love him. And it's
25:19
I'm like, of course it's satire. His tongue has
25:22
always been planted firmly in cheek in everything
25:26
that he does. So it's kind of like, oh, but I
25:28
don't, I still am not going to do it, but I don't
25:32
want to. I think that's their point. I think
25:36
it's campy, and I don't think it works. And one
25:39
tell is it has Kyle MacLachlan in it, right?
25:42
And he didn't even use Kyle MacLachlan correctly.
25:46
Now, the thing is, if you fuck up using Kyle
25:48
MacLachlan, that's on you because he's great.
25:52
It's just sort of like
25:55
Idiocracy with what's-her-name in it. What's
25:58
-her-name from SNL. You know what I'm talking
26:03
about. Maya Rudolph. It doesn't use Maya Rudolph
26:06
right. Maya Rudolph is, if you didn't
26:09
make the most of Maya Rudolph, that's on Mike
26:11
Judge. I love Idiocracy, but that's a fuck up.
26:14
Mike Judge doesn't do well with female characters.
26:16
He said he doesn't do well with female characters.
26:18
What do you mean? Yeah, the female characters
26:20
are always very sort of their sex objects or
26:25
their romantic interests. Oh, I see. Everything's
26:28
always told from the male point of view and only
26:30
the male point of view. Jennifer
26:34
Aniston is in Office Space and she's underutilized.
26:39
She's kind of like, you don't really
26:41
get what motivates her. She's just
26:43
the cute chick who works at TGI Fridays. I see.
26:47
I see. He gives a male point of view. Yeah, only.
26:50
Right. And that's OK. He's still a great,
26:53
he's always worth watching. But you
26:55
just know that's one of his,
26:58
one of the things that goes wrong. We should move
27:02
on. Should we talk about the transgender thing?
27:04
Yeah, let's talk about the transgender thing,
27:06
because I'm curious on your point. So, yeah,
27:09
I'm curious about yours, too. So shortly after
27:11
he returned to office in 2025, Trump signed an
27:15
executive order saying that imprisoned trans
27:19
women have to be housed in men's prisons, not
27:22
women's prisons. Also, he tried to prevent them
27:26
from receiving gender transition medical treatments,
27:29
which basically mostly for the most part involves
27:31
drugs, which are very expensive in federal prison.
27:36
Lower court, there's a lawsuit, there's a class
27:38
action lawsuit representing 2,000 trans women
27:42
and its three main plaintiffs. That's been winding
27:46
its way through the courts. And so far, the administration
27:47
has lost at every single level. Now it's gone
27:51
through the federal appellate court system where
27:54
they lost again. So Trump has filed a writ to
27:58
the U.S. Supreme Court asking to be able to
28:01
carry out those terms. I want to just
28:05
cut, really, I have a tendency to bury the lead.
28:07
It's one of my major problems. And I'm going
28:10
to say my main take here is that this is a distraction.
28:16
At a time when no American people right
28:21
now, Democrat, Republican, anything else, are
28:24
spending any time thinking about trans women
28:26
in prison. They are thinking about an administration
28:30
that does not seem to care about them lining
28:33
its own pockets and sending money to countries
28:36
overseas while we are in deep shit. And we're
28:39
starting wars that are destroying the economy.
28:42
I think that's what the American people, that's
28:45
what their minds are on right now. And this is
28:47
all about, Trump doesn't care. This is
28:50
about, look, squirrel. So it's also cruel,
28:57
right? Basically, trans women, it can't
29:01
be an easy life to be in prison. And you want
29:05
to send them, I understand how that might
29:07
make women, cis women inmates uncomfortable.
29:10
But there's got to be a way to put them in their
29:13
own section of the prison or whatever, make sure
29:16
that they're housed with people who
29:18
are okay with them. But there's got to
29:21
be a way to deal with this other than putting
29:23
in the male, general male population. And finally...
29:27
I'm also deeply concerned. In terms of
29:31
the, I think there's an argument to be
29:34
made that gender affirming care and
29:38
hormones are optional. And obviously it's also
29:42
weird that prisons do not, as John used to say,
29:46
they don't provide dental care. John had
29:48
a cavity. He went to the dentist and he said,
29:52
all we do is just try to tough it out because
29:54
all I can do is pull your tooth, which will only,
29:57
by the way, hurt your overall health even more
30:00
after I do it because you're much more prone
30:03
to infection. Your gum health is really important
30:05
to your general health. So it's weird that they
30:08
won't provide you with the $200 that you need
30:11
to fill a cavity, but they'll pay $20,000 for
30:14
gender-affirming care. But that said, it's
30:17
when you think about all the stupid shit
30:20
that the federal government spends money on, including
30:22
these aforementioned wars. And you think about
30:25
the, we don't know what's going to
30:29
fucking happen if these trans women are
30:32
cut off and they might lose their minds and commit
30:35
suicide. It's kind of like, my tendency is,
30:39
I don't even pretend to understand gender dysphoria.
30:42
I don't. But it's kind of like, why are
30:47
you picking on these fucking people? Just
30:50
leave him alone. It's complicated, right? I agree
30:59
with you about the distraction part, that they
31:02
don't, nobody in America sat there and
31:06
thought to themselves, man, we really need to
31:09
do something about these trans people in prison.
31:11
Nobody thinks that, right? There's 2% of a population,
31:16
maybe three, that really, really...
31:19
Like where it gets into them and riles them up. This Project
31:22
2025 stuff, right? This is raw meat for its
31:24
base. This is not something that ultimately matters.
31:28
It's a wedge issue. There is no such thing as
31:33
cis women. They're just women. I understand why
31:38
trans women would like to add some kind of other
31:43
moniker to it. They're just women. Trans women
31:46
in this case is the
31:51
distinction, not women, if that makes sense. Women are just women.
31:55
Trans women are something else, are people who,
31:59
as you might say, gender dysphoria, or basically
32:01
people who are men who consider themselves to
32:03
be women. There's an honest argument to be made
32:08
on whether or not men who call themselves women
32:13
should be put into a woman's prison. Absolutely.
32:16
There's a valid question about that. Yeah, I
32:20
think that's a valid question. And this goes
32:22
into the whole women's bathroom stuff. Should
32:25
trans men be allowed into women's bathrooms and
32:30
women's spaces or in women's sports? The sports
32:33
thing is another really good example. It's a
32:34
valid question. It doesn't affect a whole shit
32:37
ton of people. I think the answer should be no.
32:40
How many trans people does anyone even know,
32:42
right? I would love to know what
32:44
is the average number of trans people that the
32:48
average American citizen knows? That's a fair
32:51
point. 0.01, right? But it obviously becomes
32:56
a thing when it's, okay, trans people want
32:58
to play sports. And I got to be honest with you,
33:01
I took a left-wing position on this until I
33:03
started talking to other women and women felt
33:04
some kind of way about it, where they were like,
33:06
why is it right for them to be able to take
33:09
our spaces. We're in our own space in regards
33:12
to women's sports, women's volleyball, women's
33:15
whatever. And they already are disadvantaged,
33:17
they receive less funding, less attention.
33:20
Exactly. And that was the argument, right? It's
33:22
why is this fair? Why are they able to
33:24
take our space? It's not fair. If you had a friend
33:27
who was competing, look, I dated an Olympic fencer
33:31
when I was in college. Did you? And she
33:36
Look, she couldn't have competed. She
33:38
was a kick-ass fencer, man. There's no fucking
33:40
way she could have fenced against. She
33:43
said she would lose to me just simply
33:45
because I have long arms. Simple. It's
33:49
just physicality. She was a short little
33:51
thing. By the way, the best monster watch thing
33:52
was another big one where it was, I watched
33:55
a trans woman, basically a man as a woman, beat
34:02
the living shit out of another, of a real woman.
34:05
And I was like, no, this is a no. The first time
34:09
I saw it, I was like, this is a no. This is just
34:12
a man beating a woman to death. Yeah, I saw that.
34:15
It was hard to watch, man. Yeah, it was hard
34:18
to watch. And you never see it the other way
34:21
around. You never see it where it's a woman who
34:24
goes as a trans man and gets into boxing or gets
34:27
into mixed martial arts. And you only see it
34:30
in one direction because that's where the advantage
34:32
is. Right. I understand what trans people will
34:37
make the argument, where it's no difference.
34:39
You take the estrogen, everything's the
34:41
same. Nonsense. Let's just say this. It's far
34:44
from widely accepted that that's true,
34:47
right? Yeah, I don't accept that to be true.
34:49
Especially after watching that. And at
34:51
some of the points, especially when the
34:54
people were taking it, after a military
34:56
career, they're adults. And then they're like,
35:00
okay, now we're taking estrogen and now we're
35:01
going into sports. It just seems outrageous to
35:05
me. But surely there must be, I guess
35:07
my point, all those things are true.
35:09
But I also think in the federal
35:11
prison system. The same logic applied to the
35:13
criminal system. The federal prison system is
35:15
vast, right? It's the gulag archipelago of our
35:18
time. Surely it is possible in the United
35:22
States, this is to have one prison that is dedicated
35:26
to trans women and trans men and has a wing for
35:31
them. Right. And that's the place where they
35:34
are sent. It's in Oklahoma, middle of the country.
35:37
So it's as easy as less hard as possible
35:40
for people to visit. And surely that's not hard
35:44
to do. Just cut off Israel for
35:47
a couple of hours and build that facility. Yeah,
35:50
because I don't want to be an abuse in either
35:52
case. Meaning I don't want to be in a situation
35:54
where they've been abused, nor do I want to be
35:56
in a situation where they're in with other real
35:58
women. Yeah, it's just not good either
36:01
way. Right. One thing I got to say, JT, thank
36:05
you. Because as someone from the lefty, I know
36:10
you're going to take a lot of crap for what you've
36:12
said. And I appreciate it. Because I have a daughter.
36:16
Well, because a lot of people are going to say,
36:20
Ted, are going to say that you're marginalizing
36:23
the trans people, that you don't think that guys,
36:27
that chicks with dicks shouldn't be in there
36:29
with other girls. Listen, I know how it is. And
36:32
seriously, I just want to say thank you because
36:34
I respect people who are crazy over this stuff.
36:38
Not to mention they're sharing cells, right?
36:40
They literally are taking a shit. They have to
36:42
dress and undress in front of each other in the
36:44
same tiny little cells. It's
36:48
no, it's just not a good
36:50
idea. Right. I just don't like the idea of,
36:53
even look, I respect the hell out of the trans
36:58
community in the sense of the shit that they
37:01
take on and what they have to go through. But
37:05
at the same token, I have to also look at it
37:07
from the standpoint of, okay, these are women
37:08
in prison, and these are guys who are calling
37:10
themselves women with penises, as you point out,
37:13
taking a dump in front of this other woman, getting
37:15
dressed in front of this other woman. I understand
37:18
many of them see themselves as women. That's
37:21
fair enough. From my point of view, it's an XY
37:23
chromosome. This is not an issue of what I think
37:26
or what I feel. It's just an issue of what is.
37:30
It's not this is not me marginalizing
37:33
or me. I was just trying to come up with a solution.
37:37
But what troubles me is, okay, so the prison
37:42
thing seems to me like it's a problem that is
37:44
easily resolved. All you need is a facility for
37:48
them. The end. Now, women in sports is far more
37:51
tricky. It's far more difficult. I don't know
37:53
how you fix it. Because there aren't enough of
37:55
them to create a league for them as a separate
37:58
category. If one out of three American
38:01
citizens was trans, well, no problem. You just
38:05
have a separate league for trans women and for
38:06
trans men and for cis men and for cis women.
38:09
The end. You have four leagues. We should not,
38:12
marginalize or...
38:17
There should be no
38:19
racial animosity. Not racial animosity. There
38:20
should be no animosity towards the trans community
38:22
at all. I want them to have all the rights and
38:24
everything else that everybody else has. And
38:25
they should be protected, just like everyone
38:28
else should be protected, but is not in prison.
38:31
Right, but that's the complication
38:36
because women will feel some kind
38:39
of way because regardless of you telling women,
38:41
hey they're real women, because on
38:43
the left they would say well they're real women
38:46
and it's like but they're not. Yeah, no, on the
38:48
left I hear that too. Oh they're just
38:51
the same as regular women. That's nonsense.
38:54
Well first of all if that were true they wouldn't
38:55
need a separate name they wouldn't be called
38:58
something different, right? I guess
39:00
buzzards and vultures are the same, but
39:04
there's a distinction and we all know the
39:06
distinction. Do men watch trans porn? Some might.
39:12
And most trans women who were born men are, they
39:17
self-identify as lesbians, right?
39:19
Because they're still attracted to women. Most
39:22
of them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different
39:26
category. That's also part of the problem. Yeah,
39:28
it's a different category. It's complicated.
39:30
But as you point out, creating a different
39:32
wing for the president might just be the - But
39:34
also, fuck Donald Trump, right?
39:36
Nothing pisses me off more than when rich, powerful
39:42
the most rich and most powerful people in the
39:44
country decide to target the poorest and most
39:48
vulnerable people in the country which trans
39:50
people are and so him it's just purely for
39:53
political reasons. It's disgusting political experience.
39:56
Yeah it's so funny this is just red meat to the
39:58
base. Nobody woke up thinking to themselves we
40:02
got to do something about the trans prison population.
40:04
Yeah nobody thought about doing that except for
40:08
No, no. It's just yeah. Robby,
40:11
do you, how much time do you spend worrying about
40:13
trans women in prison? Well, for one
40:15
thing, I've already said this. I
40:19
reject it. I reject the category writ large.
40:23
If you look down, if you have external
40:25
plumbing, you're a dude, you can cosplay as whatever
40:28
it is that you want. That's fine. Some people
40:30
get it cut off. Nope. That's fine.
40:32
But genetics is still a thing. But to answer
40:35
your question, not even a moment of time. This
40:40
is all a distraction. Right, right. As far as
40:43
prison goes, I've always assumed, you drop your
40:46
pants. If it's flapping in the wind, you go with
40:49
the dudes. If it's not, if you have ovaries,
40:51
you go with the girls. I don't know why
40:53
this is so complicated. I don't get it. Yeah,
40:57
no, it's... Biology is... Well, I think
40:59
it's complicated because obviously a trans
41:02
woman, for example, is going to likely be targeted
41:07
for violence in prison. Well, that's
41:11
a condemnation on the prison system at large.
41:14
How many men are raped in prison every single
41:17
day? It's not nearly as common as people think.
41:20
Well, the prison system should also be... Is
41:22
that as common as people think? Yeah, it's not.
41:24
Listen, the prison system needs to be abolished.
41:27
True. It does not work. It is a for-profit institution
41:31
that has no purpose in existing. This is coming
41:34
from a righty. Yeah, no, it's disgusting. This
41:37
has nothing to do with the dude who wants to
41:40
wear a dress or somebody else. It's a
41:42
total... What it is is a fucking waste of American
41:45
potential is what it is. It is a grift. It's
41:48
literally there's... Who knows how many
41:50
fucking points of GDP could be released if you
41:53
released 99% of the prison population and you
41:57
were able to get them into productive work. Can
42:00
you imagine? What a fucking waste of...
42:05
There's probably people who could invent a cure
42:06
for cancer rotting in prison right now. It's stupid.
42:10
The entire point of prison is the brutality of
42:14
prison and to make people rich who put people
42:17
in cages, not in that order. That's
42:21
the goal. Yeah, the entire prisoners, the entire
42:24
prison system, politicians to look tough on crime
42:27
when they run for re-election. Well that too.
42:29
I'm sorry. We over-criminalize
42:33
stuff way too much. It has to be a matter of restitution.
42:35
When justice needs to be they need to
42:38
be called on it should be swift it should be
42:40
sure and that doesn't mean that she locks on
42:42
to a cage for 30 years. Well that's not justice.
42:45
The system never takes into account the system
42:49
itself in the crime, meaning when they're
42:52
when the judge is sitting up there and she's
42:54
banging the gavel about this person who did
42:56
something and I'm not talking about murder
42:58
and stuff like that maybe I ain't talking about
43:00
murder on some level. But people are
43:04
human nature's water and of us. And if you put
43:07
people in certain situations, crime becomes a
43:09
rational act. And meaning from a societal standpoint,
43:13
crime becomes a rational act. And the system
43:17
or society itself never takes into account the
43:19
things that society does to push people into
43:20
crime. They always make it as purely an individual
43:23
act. You as an individual did this. Not you were
43:27
born in a particular context and that particular
43:29
context in this particular society pushed a person
43:31
in a particular way where this was a rational
43:33
act, whether it was thievery, robbery, robbery,
43:37
thievery, same thing. Or crime in general,
43:42
better societies. For example, James Baldwin
43:46
made this point of saying about schools that
43:48
are in disrepute, schools that are basically
43:51
failing miserably. And he made the point of saying.
43:54
Look, you can't make a great school in a bad
43:56
community. It's impossible, right?
44:00
It needs to be the other way around. You have
44:01
to have a good community in order to have a good
44:03
school. Beverly Hills is not going to have a
44:05
failing school because it's Beverly Hills. Compton
44:08
will have a failing school. It would be very
44:10
difficult to make a successful school in Compton
44:13
because of the neighborhood being in disrepute.
44:15
I think it's the same way in general about our
44:18
societies. Now, I agree with that. I used to
44:20
tutor at a school, at an intermediate high school,
44:23
which is basically a junior high school in East
44:25
Harlem. And these were the best of the best.
44:28
These are kids who literally volunteered to stay
44:31
after school for extra math tutoring. OK, so
44:34
how dorky were they? And those kids, they were,
44:39
the stories that I would hear like.
44:42
Oh, I come here because if I go home early
44:45
I'll be, that's three hours of extra
44:48
beatings I'll be getting at home. It
44:50
was just bone chilling. Yeah, I've said
44:54
this numerous times. It comes down to
44:56
a matter of restitution. If someone's a thief
45:00
and if they get caught for thieving they can't
45:04
pay back the person they stole from if they're
45:06
locked in a cage. What you would do is that that
45:08
person would go work in a chain gang like in
45:10
a cotton field, whatever. Whatever he earns goes
45:13
towards paying restitution for the property that
45:16
he stole. And once that's done, you're free.
45:19
Go on your way. Might be in jail forever. You
45:23
make like 10 cent on the chain gang. Oh, can
45:25
you imagine if Sam Altman were sent to prison?
45:28
Holy shit. He's left to live 5 million years
45:30
to pay off for all the IP that he scraped. Let's
45:33
do some comments. Melissa, they are men. They
45:36
are men. Kilroy says, Teddy, you missed yesterday
45:40
in my manifesto the Kami wealth redistribution
45:42
plans to fix the system. Only caught the immigration
45:45
stuff. Okay, I'm sorry I just don't follow. Phileas
45:48
Fab, one out of two. I don't know why the new information.
45:51
It was reported in the days after October 7th
45:53
that Egypt had warned Israel. Yes, but this is the
45:57
UAE. So Syphilis says the information is that
46:01
many of them tried to get pressure him to lie.
46:04
That was the new part of the story, that many
46:06
who went to Abu Dhabi to try to get, what
46:11
is his name? I could never, it's like he has
46:14
like five names of UAE. Oh, that's Mohammed.
46:22
Yeah, who went to UAE on Sunday to ask President
46:26
Mohammed bin Zayed to deny that he had warned
46:32
him about October 7th. So basically the new part
46:35
of the story is that he went there to try to
46:37
say, hey. Don't tell anybody that you weren't.
46:40
Cover up for me. And then, of course, asking
46:42
for the cover up got itself exposed. Exactly.
46:46
It became the story in and of itself. Oh, the
46:49
tangled web. Sure. Care for what? Just wear the
46:55
dress and makeup. Okay, so there's a difference
46:58
between transvesticism and transsexuality and
47:01
trans... So, yeah, that's come on. It's
47:04
again, I don't pretend to understand this,
47:07
or relate to it. But clearly it's a
47:11
documented by professional psychiatrists
47:14
and psychologists. It's a phenomenon. And
47:17
I guess the thing is, my sympathy,
47:21
I have to have sympathy because this is a population
47:23
that has the highest suicide rates in the country.
47:28
And I care about that and I don't want that and
47:31
I want that to be fixed. Right. So it's kind
47:33
of like, OK, I'm not an expert on this, but I'm
47:36
going to go with what the experts have to say.
47:38
They might be wrong at this point and we might
47:40
learn more. But and obviously I do have
47:43
problems with the idea of, oh,
47:46
gender affirming care for 12 year olds or whatever.
47:49
But it's very almost basically never happens.
47:52
So it's. So anyway. Democrats would hit Democrats
47:57
with that all the time. It's because they
48:00
wouldn't, because it sounded like Joe Biden was
48:04
on board for it. And it sounded like the Democrats
48:06
were on board for it. They were fighting for
48:07
it. Republicans would hit them with it constantly.
48:10
Constantly. Filius at the same time. Now it's
48:13
the furries. They're after the furries. First
48:16
they came for the furries. But I said nothing
48:19
because I did not like to dress like an opossum
48:21
while I was having sex. Oh God. Yeah, leave the
48:28
furries alone. It's also weird too because I heard
48:31
about furries I think in the 80s and it's
48:34
all these years it's just sort of been
48:36
this thing that I knew existed and
48:38
suddenly it goes into politics. How did that
48:40
happen? Yeah it's still a thing. People
48:43
dressing up in costumes they're having sex in
48:44
costumes. Which is wild to me. That's funny to
48:48
me. That's badass. Oh, it's hilarious.
48:50
At Comic-Con, it's a big thing, right?
48:52
And I went to Comic-Con probably
48:54
25 years in a row. And to hear other cartoonists
49:00
of all stripes, they would talk about
49:03
Comic-Con. And then the conversation of furries
49:05
would come up. And they'd be angry. They would
49:08
turn into right-wing conservatives.
49:09
Fucking furries are disgusting.
49:13
Why they thought them and I was like
49:16
why are they disgusting are they hurting anyone?
49:18
It's just so disgusting and foul.
49:22
There was something about it that rubs the cartoonist
49:25
mind the wrong way. What do they do, cut out
49:28
a little dick hole? I believe so. I have not.
49:32
I swear to God I've never been present when this
49:35
was happening. But I, you've had an interesting
49:39
life, Ted Rall. I can't believe that you haven't
49:41
experienced. I've experienced some wild shit,
49:43
but not that. No. Yeah.
49:48
I was like, all right, whatever. You guys do you.
49:50
You fucking weirdos. Enjoy. Yeah. The
49:54
only thing, just make sure you wash off those
49:56
costumes when you're done. It must
49:59
not be easy to keep them clean. Golden Talon
50:03
says men can't become women women can't become
50:05
men. Ellen Page is not a man because she cut her
50:08
tits off. Well, okay, no, you can't
50:15
You can't change your genetic coding. By the way that's
50:18
probably going to be possible in the not distant
50:20
future that you will be able with CRISPR to
50:24
alter your gene, your basic
50:27
genetic code. I think would consider other
50:31
people women and men. Look, maybe
50:34
in the future, right, where you can switch over
50:38
and everything is different, where you grow a
50:41
vagina, your penis. Yeah. Well, at that point,
50:45
then there's no difference, right? Really? I
50:50
mean, at that point, the only difference is going
50:52
to be your psychological, which is not a small
50:55
thing, your psychological memories of having
50:57
been the other sex. So you are, that's definitely
51:00
going to change you and make you different if
51:02
you grew up. One thing if you change to another.
51:05
Yeah, there will be a little
51:09
it'll be subtler. They'll be like Altered Carbon
51:12
like the television show, right? Movie. What? Hey.
51:16
Maybe Blue Funk says if you give a shit about
51:18
women maybe listen to women instead of projecting
51:20
your bizarre savior fantasies on them. Hey, I
51:22
don't know about you guys, about you, but I'm
51:24
not trying to say, I think that
51:26
I'm putting my mind in the, trying
51:29
to project myself into, God forbid, if I were
51:32
in charge of the Bureau of Prisons,
51:35
how I would handle this. We're in charge
51:38
of this population of hundreds of thousands,
51:40
millions of Americans. What do you do?
51:42
How do you, how do you,
51:46
honestly, there's an argument to be made for
51:48
co-ed prisons, right? No. Really? No. I think
51:53
there is. Yeah, because single-sex environments
51:56
are toxic at work. Why would they not be toxic
51:58
in prison? Think about it. And not to
52:02
mention, it's not a single-sex environment anyway,
52:06
because the guards in women's prisons are men
52:08
anyway. I would give you that if rapists are
52:10
executed, because why would you put women in
52:13
a cage with a guy who has a history of forcing
52:16
himself onto women? Yeah, or just violent
52:19
in general. That's a good point. I wouldn't dare
52:22
quit. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Ted, that's dumb.
52:28
You got to think that one through there, brother.
52:29
I'll think it through. It's just literally
52:30
just came up here on the air, spitballing. All
52:33
right. Okay. Andre, Robby in Alberta. They banned
52:40
rainbow flags and propaganda in schools. Thankfully,
52:43
my kid isn't being suggested things. But I heard
52:45
a few U.S. states banned it as well lately.
52:49
I doubt that rainbow flags are causing anyone
52:53
to cut off their dicks and become girls. I don't
52:56
buy that. I think people are what they are.
52:59
True, that may be the thing of people experimenting
53:02
where they may be confused. But I think people
53:05
are what they are. Certainly there is
53:07
such a thing as what the right would call social
53:09
contagion. Sort of like LUGS,
53:11
lesbians until graduation. I observed that.
53:15
That's definitely a thing. I had a roommate
53:18
who, all his gay. He had a lot of gay friends
53:22
and they kept telling him, dude, you're gay.
53:24
And he was like and I was like, dude, you're
53:27
not gay. You're not gay. It's cool if you were
53:30
gay, but you're not. And then he was like. So
53:32
anyway, they were like, come to Miami. You'll
53:34
see that you're gay. So he went and spent
53:37
a long weekend in Miami Beach with his gay friends.
53:40
He came back and I was like, so how was it? And
53:44
he was just like, I don't really want to talk
53:45
about it. And I was like, okay. And then he was
53:48
like, and then finally over drinks he goes, I'm
53:51
not gay. Yeah. Yeah. Did you enjoy
53:55
that ass rimming? I did not. I did not enjoy
54:00
it. I am not a gay man. I'm not a gay man, yeah.
54:03
I have evidence, I have proof that
54:05
I'm not a gay man. Also, so we may be fucking
54:08
up with the trans argument because it's
54:10
scary. It's a scary subject
54:13
to talk about. But we did, I do want to take
54:16
a victory dance. We did call it yesterday. The
54:19
five guys who were arrested by an air base in
54:23
Britain for a possible terrorist explosives act
54:26
are now out on bail very clearly. They didn't
54:31
do shit. And very clearly, they're going to drop
54:35
all the charges. And we said that yesterday.
54:38
We were like, this smells like the usual Gretchen
54:42
Whitmer kidnap plot. Probably didn't happen.
54:46
It's just some Karen dropped a dime. And
54:50
now. They needed to show that they
54:53
were doing something. Hence, they rounded up
54:55
five guys who are probably. Yeah. Yeah. So that's
55:02
DeProgram. Next time you hear about a terrorist
55:05
plot, check us out. Nine times out of ten, it's
55:08
bullshit. Everyone is guilty of something. They
55:10
should have held them on jaywalking. They could
55:12
have got them on. They could find something.
55:17
It's wild, right? They've been doing
55:19
this. What's their Facebook profile? Did they
55:21
make an offensive post? It's wild. The
55:24
idea that we are sitting here and
55:28
yeah, those guys are probably innocent. They tend to
55:30
round people up. And come to find out that's
55:32
exactly what happened. They rounded these guys
55:33
up. Who knows if they did anything or not. But
55:36
obviously, if they believe they did something,
55:38
they wouldn't be letting them go. No. And the
55:40
thing is, your rights as a criminal suspect in
55:44
the UK are much more circumscribed than those
55:49
in the United States. So the fact that
55:52
they let them out so quickly, I guarantee you
55:55
those charges are being dropped like post haste.
55:58
Yeah. It's an embarrassment. Honestly, they shouldn't
56:01
announce. If I were them from a communication
56:03
strategy point of view, I just wouldn't even
56:05
announce this shit. I would just let it
56:08
go. I'd just be like, let's bring them in, ask
56:12
them some questions. And if we charge them and
56:15
we're sure, then call a press conference. Don't
56:18
say anything until you're sure. It's so embarrassing.
56:21
I assume they have other reasons for
56:24
doing that. Like either, hey, look at what we're
56:27
doing. There was a bomb thing and look, we've
56:29
rounded people up for it. We're keeping you safe.
56:32
Maybe people don't see the second story of we
56:34
let these people out a day later. An hour
56:37
later, right? Speaking of national security states,
56:40
fucking up, we got to talk about the
56:43
I spy for the FBI. So a criminal hacking group
56:48
called Shiny Hunters basically dumped reams
56:52
of personal data on the dark web. The New York
56:55
Times found it and they reviewed it. Tens of
56:59
thousands of current and former FBI employees
57:02
and agents and contacts, all of their shit, social
57:05
security numbers, their assignments, all of their
57:09
shit that can burn them has all been exposed.
57:12
The group is giving them until Tuesday. The only
57:16
demand, which is by tonight, in other words,
57:21
They want the FBI to basically stop fucking with
57:24
them because they basically make money hacking
57:29
into things. Leave Shiny Hunters alone and we
57:38
will not expose your people. But then Shiny Hunters
57:41
said, we were never going to burn everyone. We
57:44
just wanted to threaten them. Okay, but they
57:47
put the shit on the dark web. I know. It sounds
57:50
like it's a lot of very young people. I know,
57:53
but the belief that the FBI is not going to mess
57:57
with you now that you've exposed all of these
57:59
members of the FBI to potential death is... I
58:03
have to admit, I kind of wish it was more of
58:04
a political thing where they had just done it
58:07
and been like, the FBI is a surveillance mechanism
58:09
and should be exposed and fuck them and here
58:12
it is. Instead of just, it's just a business.
58:16
Yeah, just stop messing with us and we'll leave
58:17
you alone. Unless, could we be, could this be
58:21
a misdirection? Could it be actually a political
58:23
act and it's being mischaracterized by the media?
58:27
Wouldn't be the first time. Everybody already
58:29
knows. Everybody already knows that the government's
58:31
spying on us. There's nothing to expose. We all
58:34
know it. Yeah, there's nothing to expose on that
58:35
front. So it seems like it may just be
58:38
leave us alone so we can continue to rob
58:42
and make money off of people through scams and whatever
58:44
the hell we're doing from sample to packing. But
58:47
the FBI is never going to do that, meaning
58:49
they're never going to look at this and say what
58:51
they're going to. What the FBI is, you're a threat.
58:54
We're going to, we're going to. Yeah, now they're
58:57
yeah there's a task. We're going to create a task
58:58
force and we are going to find you and put you
59:01
out of business. It's going to be that, meaning
59:03
they got this wrong if that's indeed what they
59:05
are. If that's indeed their plan this is kind
59:08
of like Europe. If we just keep pushing the
59:11
Russians will come to the table and negotiate.
59:12
No they're not. No they're going to be more brutal.
59:16
The FBI, meaning you've just put all of these
59:19
people's names on a list as you point out some
59:22
of these people may be in threat of death depending
59:25
upon the position that they're in or whatever
59:27
they're doing regarding their spy work and you
59:30
think the FBI is going to look at that and say
59:32
to themselves oh we need to leave these guys
59:34
alone? No I don't know what. Well it's
59:37
kind of like the same misapprehension. It's the
59:39
same mistake that Imperial Japan made
59:41
when they attacked Pearl Harbor. They thought
59:43
they were squatting a dog on the nose and that
59:45
we would just go away and leave them alone. The
59:47
baby in the crib. Yeah you're not doing that. No
59:50
it's not going to work that way. Yeah you just
59:52
don't know. You just don't know the U.S. has
59:54
a thousand different three-name organizations
59:58
that are going to be looking at you now in order
1:00:00
to dismantle that particular group and come after
1:00:02
that group. Yeah, they will not. They're not
1:00:04
going to stop and they have endless resources
1:00:07
and more than you do. And as smart as you are,
1:00:09
they're bigger than you are. That does it for
1:00:12
today. TMI show coming up with Manila and I in
1:00:15
just a minute. Stay tuned on YouTube and Rumble.
1:00:17
And thank you for doing that. We'll be back with
1:00:20
the full two hour show tomorrow, Wednesday, 9
1:00:22
a.m. to 11 a.m. Eastern time. Thanks, Robby.
1:00:26
Thanks, Jamarl. Have a good one, guys.