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Huddle Up | Rookie Minicamp Eve, Salary Cap Under New Management · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought you by the Field Total Group,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and former
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  Speaker 1: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter JP Shatdrick bring you
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  Speaker 1: the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now and welcome in. Huddle Up
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  Speaker 3: Go to Fields Auto dot com. JP Shadrick, John Oser.
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  Speaker 3: You're at the Honday Studios the Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 3: a hive.
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  Speaker 2: Of activity this week.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks is in Los Angeles, California.
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  Speaker 2: Not quite as busy there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're busy, Bucky, but you know, at least
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  Speaker 3: the building you're in.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's up. How are you, Buck?
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  Speaker 4: I'm good man.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Guys? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh good? Ready for some football things?
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  Speaker 5: Football talk talkball, A lot.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of ball talking coming up, including rookie Minni
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  Speaker 3: Caamp coming up this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: That here in just a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: But news.
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  Speaker 3: On Wednesday, the Jaguars have released wide receiver Gabe Davis
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  Speaker 3: with a post June first designation.
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  Speaker 2: The dead cap number this year will be five.
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  Speaker 3: Point seven million dollars and next year twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 3: fourteen point six million dollars. Had twenty catches for two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty nine yards on a three year, thirty
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  Speaker 3: nine million dollar deal.
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  Speaker 5: John Yeah goes up there with you know, Laurent Robinson
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  Speaker 5: and you know different free agent signings over the years
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  Speaker 5: that discompletely didn't work out, And you know, it's funny
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  Speaker 5: talking about this one. Buck It's it's huge news, but
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  Speaker 5: at the same time, it's not because he never factored
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  Speaker 5: last year. I don't even think if he'd been back,
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  Speaker 5: he was going to factor this year. So it's it's
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure his I don't know what his knee
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  Speaker 5: situation is going to be, but it just never felt
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  Speaker 5: like he was going to be a huge part of it.
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  Speaker 5: So it's news to but Bucket doesn't matter that much.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to detegrate him. But for the team, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: good move on.
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  Speaker 6: I would say this, and I want to be very
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  Speaker 6: respectful and talking about it like it's a move that
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  Speaker 6: needed to be made. It was a move that probably
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  Speaker 6: could have been made based on behaviors and attitudes.
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  Speaker 4: Last year, it didn't work out.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't work on the field, it didn't work off
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  Speaker 6: the field. Anyone who has been in the building, been
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  Speaker 6: around the team, understood the dynamics of why it didn't
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  Speaker 6: work out. Just wasn't a good fit. And the reason
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  Speaker 6: why I would applaud this move is everything that Liam
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  Speaker 6: con James Gladstone, and Tony Boselli have talked about. They
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  Speaker 6: followed through on when they talk about and we laughed
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  Speaker 6: when they talk about guys that fit in with the ecosystem,
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  Speaker 6: guys that really fit in the locker room. We are
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  Speaker 6: seeing they are unafraid of removing people who they don't
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  Speaker 6: deem to be good fits. And in the first year
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  Speaker 6: of a what we call a rebuild rebuilding.
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  Speaker 4: Process, that's what you want to do.
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  Speaker 6: The first thing that you have to do is get
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  Speaker 6: all the people on the bus that fit culturally, and
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  Speaker 6: then you figure out which way you want to drive
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  Speaker 6: the bus. But you got to get the right people
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  Speaker 6: on the bus. And I think this is part of
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  Speaker 6: the process of making sure that you get the right
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  Speaker 6: folks in the locker room, the right folks believing in
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  Speaker 6: whatever the ethos of the team is, and then they
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  Speaker 6: go about taking care of business in appropriate fashion.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it's news that everybody in the outside
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  Speaker 5: is gonna be talking about today. And I feel like,
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  Speaker 5: since we have the whole lot of podcast under the
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  Speaker 5: Jaguars three as after it happened, that we should talk
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  Speaker 5: about it more. But as I say at the top,
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  Speaker 5: I don't have that much to say on it because
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  Speaker 5: I didn't really think that much about how he was
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  Speaker 5: going to fit, because I don't think he was going
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  Speaker 5: to be a huge part of it. I didn't know
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  Speaker 5: about the I was not sure how much the knee
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  Speaker 5: was going to allow him to be, and it just
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  Speaker 5: never felt like he was going to be part of this.
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  Speaker 5: I wish him well, I didn't know him very well,
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  Speaker 5: so I have no ill feelings. It's just I don't
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  Speaker 5: think he is going to be part of this, so
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it matters very much from a football perspective.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I said earlier. I was not trying to
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  Speaker 5: say go get out of here. I don't we know.
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  Speaker 5: Just it was time to just go ahead and move
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  Speaker 5: on to what this was going to be, not what
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  Speaker 5: it was.
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  Speaker 3: So here's what's remaining on the wide receiver room for
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  Speaker 3: the Jaguars. Of course, Brian Thomas Junior heard of him
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  Speaker 3: decent rookie season a year ago. Do Yammy Brown signed
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  Speaker 3: in free agency, Joshua Cephis on the roster, Austin Trammel
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  Speaker 3: on the roster, Parker Washington, David White Junior all on
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  Speaker 3: the roster, and of course Travis Hunter will be coming
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  Speaker 3: in for rookie mini camps starting Thursday on the field
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  Speaker 3: Friday Saturday, actually walking in graduation Thursday, but on the
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  Speaker 3: field slated to be Friday and Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: That's the wide receiver room.
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  Speaker 5: I think you covered Yammy Brown at the top, right, Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's Yammy Brown, Brian Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: him and Parker Washington at at number four, and then
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  Speaker 5: figure out the rest and there's opportunit unity there, Bucky,
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily, you know, it feels like option open
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  Speaker 5: at some point if they look around and say, you
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  Speaker 5: know what, none of the other five are moving up,
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  Speaker 5: that you could go veteran reasonably priced guy with that
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  Speaker 5: really is scared to do anything. I know they all
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  Speaker 5: so like and his name's going to escape me. The
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  Speaker 5: wide receiver from Elon that they signed in a free agency.
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  Speaker 5: They feel like a guy like that could be part
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  Speaker 5: of this toobe in collegiate free agency.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, no, I look, I think there are a
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  Speaker 6: lot of things that are at play. I think short term,
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  Speaker 6: everyone is going to be excited about Brian Thomas Junior,
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  Speaker 6: Travis Hunt or Park of Washington, and Deany Brown all
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  Speaker 6: getting an opportunity to play, and I think that should
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  Speaker 6: be a reasonable cause for excitement. But I think long term,
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  Speaker 6: this is about setting the table and the budget sheep
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  Speaker 6: for the quarterback about to make a lot of money.
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  Speaker 6: When the quarterback makes a ton of money, you have
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  Speaker 6: to find a way to get cheaper around the quarterback
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  Speaker 6: to be able to do it. And so even though
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  Speaker 6: Brian Thomas Junion and Travis Hunter our first round picks
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  Speaker 6: on the books, their contracts are relatively cheap.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at the.
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  Speaker 6: Cost of doing business for an elite wide out at
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  Speaker 6: thirty million plus, Well, now you have two guys at
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  Speaker 6: cost control for the next two to three years before
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  Speaker 6: you have to maybe address their contract situations. While Trevor
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  Speaker 6: is creeping into the bulk of a big deal, you
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  Speaker 6: also have a young player at Parker Washington. He will
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  Speaker 6: kind of determine how long he stays around the program
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  Speaker 6: based on how he plays the performance in production.
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  Speaker 4: Jemmy Brown, I think you're on a one year deal.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see.
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  Speaker 6: And so what you have is you have a foundation
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  Speaker 6: in place to allow Trevor to make a lot of
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  Speaker 6: money with good players around him who are still on
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  Speaker 6: cost control deals that allow you to build the rest
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  Speaker 6: of the team. This had to happen because if not,
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  Speaker 6: your team would be lopsided where you have all of
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  Speaker 6: the money devoted to the offense left to the defense,
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  Speaker 6: and it's really really hard to go about building a
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  Speaker 6: championship contender in that way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you look at it like that, JP, I
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  Speaker 5: know Gabe Davis will be dead money on the cap,
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  Speaker 5: but in terms of guys running around on the field,
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  Speaker 5: I think this year Jeam May Brown's ten million dollar
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  Speaker 5: contract for this year will be the most expensive that
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  Speaker 5: they're paying that. Maybe Travis Hunter being the number two
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  Speaker 5: overall could creep into that, but it within NFL cost
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  Speaker 5: It's a very affordable group of skill players. When you
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  Speaker 5: throw Brenton Strange still on rookie deal, all of the
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  Speaker 5: backs on rookie deals Travis, I think in twenty five
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  Speaker 5: because you know, we'll make I.
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  Speaker 2: Think he's making six or seven, because yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's still not above ten. So except for Trevor, it's
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  Speaker 5: pretty affordable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And to your point, Bucky, it's Trevor costs seventeen
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  Speaker 3: against the cap this year, twenty four million against the
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  Speaker 3: cap in twenty six, thirty five million against the cap
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven, so you basically double it in
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  Speaker 3: two years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's significant. And what you want to
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  Speaker 4: do is you always want to.
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  Speaker 6: Be ahead of the curve and the dynamics of a
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  Speaker 6: front office work in this manner. The head coach thinks
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  Speaker 6: about today, the general manager thinks about tomorrow and beyond,
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  Speaker 6: and so they're working together to figure out how can
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  Speaker 6: I put the best team on the field today while
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  Speaker 6: also having an eye towards tomorrow. So some of these
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  Speaker 6: moves that we're seeing may are really with an eye
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  Speaker 6: towards tomorrow. And when you hear James Gladstone talk about
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  Speaker 6: the importance of getting the young guys on the field,
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  Speaker 6: that also is part of being able to reward a
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  Speaker 6: handful of stars because we look up Javon Walker is
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  Speaker 6: going to be do a deal on the horizon and
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  Speaker 6: you're gonna have to take care of him.
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  Speaker 4: And you already have Josh ees.
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  Speaker 6: Allen on the books and you're looking at the big
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  Speaker 6: deals that could be in play.
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  Speaker 4: Tyson Campbell makes.
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  Speaker 6: A significant amount of money as you rewarding your stars,
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  Speaker 6: and a lot of these stars are drafting developmental stars
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  Speaker 6: that have kind of earned the right to get those
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  Speaker 6: big paydays. You have to surround them with young players
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  Speaker 6: on the cheat that can play at a high level.
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  Speaker 6: That is where that that a front office a is
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  Speaker 6: nudging the coaching staff. Hey, we've got to get the
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  Speaker 6: young guys on the field because these young guys are
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  Speaker 6: going to have to be lynch pins to our ability
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  Speaker 6: to play at a high level with a handful of
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  Speaker 6: stars carrying a significant amount of water. This is all
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  Speaker 6: part of the building process. But look I can apply
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  Speaker 6: to because they've jumped right in. You can tell that
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  Speaker 6: there is a plan in place. Now it's about the
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  Speaker 6: execution of the plan, and you hope that the plan
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  Speaker 6: that we're scripting on paper plays out really, really well
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  Speaker 6: when it comes to play real ball.
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  Speaker 4: Between the lines.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's too bad. And I've said this before
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  Speaker 5: and people who don't like, you know, people observers, emailers
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  Speaker 5: who don't like the last regime don't like when I
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  Speaker 5: say this. I love the last regime did a nice
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  Speaker 5: job managing the cap until off season. And I've said
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  Speaker 5: this before. They're now trying to fix some stuff that
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  Speaker 5: happened last off season when I thought the old regime
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  Speaker 5: react reacted to twenty three and did some things out
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  Speaker 5: of character even for that regime with the Gabe Davis
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  Speaker 5: and you know, some of the one year's stuff that
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  Speaker 5: they're having to deal with. And but that's sort of bucky.
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  Speaker 5: When you take over, as this regime took over, there
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  Speaker 5: are details you have to clean up, and sometimes those
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  Speaker 5: deals are painful. They gave Davis thing on the Caps painful,
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  Speaker 5: But as you said, you get through it and you
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  Speaker 5: move on and you try to keep it as clean
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  Speaker 5: as possible, and then one day you wake up and
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  Speaker 5: the old regime's mistakes are in the past.
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  Speaker 4: It is really one of those things.
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  Speaker 6: And here's the thing about like when you have a
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  Speaker 6: team in an organizational philosophy, good years, bad years, or whatever,
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  Speaker 6: you still don't change your approach to it. You can
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  Speaker 6: rectify some mistakes, but you don't radically overhaul the way
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  Speaker 6: that you go about doing business, because when you make mistakes,
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  Speaker 6: when you make decisions out of desperation, you're more likely
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  Speaker 6: to make mistakes. And now we're having to recover from
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  Speaker 6: some of the free agent mistakes that were made, and
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  Speaker 6: it'll hurt us in the short term, but it is
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  Speaker 6: better to address it now and not that it linger
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  Speaker 6: deal with whatever you have to deal with, salary cap ramifications,
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  Speaker 6: some of the I'll say, maybe discord or shock that
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  Speaker 6: may happen in the locker room, and then move forward,
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  Speaker 6: because the only way to get this team headed in
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  Speaker 6: the right direction is you're gonna have to make some
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  Speaker 6: hard decisions. And look, there's been a willingness right now
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  Speaker 6: by the new regime to make these tough decisions.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the locker room shock will be pretty manimal.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, and in general, heart they better get used to
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  Speaker 3: it because there's gonna be a lot of change in
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  Speaker 3: that locker room. It's just how it's gonna be moving ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Competition is one of the key words the new season.
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  Speaker 3: Right around the corner in the time to get your
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five season ticket membership, John, it's right now
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, not tomorrow, no time like the President yesterday
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  Speaker 5: now now.
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  Speaker 3: Be at the bank for every touchdown this year's securen
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  Speaker 3: with Bucky Brooks, JP, Shadwick, John Oser and Yes, Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 3: Rookie Minni Caamp coming up this weekend Friday and Saturday
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  Speaker 3: on the grass. The players starting to arrive today. They'll
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  Speaker 3: be in the building tomorrow for physicals, first meetings, and
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  Speaker 3: then on the field. As we said, Friday and Saturdays
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  Speaker 3: will be open to the public. Travis Hunter not sure
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  Speaker 3: if his travel schedule, but he'll be walking across the
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  Speaker 3: stage for commencement at the University of Colorado. I believe
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  Speaker 3: on Thursday anthropology degree.
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  Speaker 2: John Anthropology.
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  Speaker 5: I admit, Bucky, I am sort of excited about this
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  Speaker 5: rookie Meedi Camp. I don't either say that a whole lot,
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  Speaker 5: but when there's an energy there, when the fans are
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  Speaker 5: out to see a particular player, JP, I think you
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  Speaker 5: were here when Blake Bortles they opened his and it
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  Speaker 5: was fantastic, So these are pretty cool. I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to say that I'm going to learn very much about
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  Speaker 5: football this weekend because of the nature of it. But
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  Speaker 5: it will be cool to allow the fans to watch
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  Speaker 5: these guys run around and to sort of feel what
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  Speaker 5: we're feeling, which is a lot of excitement.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of buzz around it. I love the fact that it's
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  Speaker 6: open to the public, that Jacks fans will get an
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  Speaker 6: opportunity to just kind of see the buzz that has
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  Speaker 6: been created inside the walls, like just kind of see
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  Speaker 6: that play out. And even though it's a Ricky Manning
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  Speaker 6: caamp and look it doesn't mean anything, it's the first
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  Speaker 6: exposure to a new way of really.
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  Speaker 4: Being able to see how the Jack Warts are going
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  Speaker 4: to do things.
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  Speaker 6: And I know we had the veteran mini camp a
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  Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago right before the draft, but this
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  Speaker 6: is different because now you begin to put together you
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  Speaker 6: can get excited about the draft picks and those things.
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  Speaker 6: It's a really cool deal and I'm really excited about it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm really excited to kind of see and hear how
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  Speaker 6: the young guys are doing and then we're able to
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  Speaker 6: put it all together for the big mini camp that's
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  Speaker 6: when we're able to kind of got to really get
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  Speaker 6: a sense of what this team is at this point
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  Speaker 6: in time when it comes to the smilestone of the
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  Speaker 6: off season program.
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  Speaker 5: I think I ask you this every year, Bucky, but
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  Speaker 5: I love the questions. I always come back to it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, every scout I've ever known, and I've known
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  Speaker 5: my share, has talked about the little feeling in the
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  Speaker 5: pit of your stomach on that rookie mini camp when
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  Speaker 5: you want to make sure your guys are and you
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  Speaker 5: don't want to be walking off with the GM going
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  Speaker 5: what was that?
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  Speaker 3: Buck?
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  Speaker 5: I know, No, have you ever come close to that?
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  Speaker 5: Do you know anybody who's felt that? And I mean
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  Speaker 5: sometimes a guy gets in and you just know he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't belong and it happens. You name.
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  Speaker 4: I can I can tell you distinctly right now.
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  Speaker 6: When I was in Seattle, Chris McIntosh and offensive Taco
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  Speaker 6: from Wisconsin first round pick. I think he is now
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  Speaker 6: the a d at the University of Wisconsin, so he's
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  Speaker 6: going about his life, work and then great things. But
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  Speaker 6: that first day of minicamp, I think there was a
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  Speaker 6: collective all right, okay, like let's let's see yeah, listen,
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  Speaker 6: let's see if it.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it's the first day, maybe it changes.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, the first thing that you look at when
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  Speaker 6: you are a scout is come on, man, show up.
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  Speaker 4: Just give me a reason, Just give me a.
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  Speaker 6: Little give me a little flash so everyone can be like, Okay, god, okay,
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  Speaker 6: I'll see why you liked.
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  Speaker 4: Him a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Uh. Yeah, Chris McIntosh, he.
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  Speaker 4: Is the one. He is actually, yeah, he is a
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  Speaker 4: D a D at Wisconsin. We took him.
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  Speaker 6: God, what was that first round my first draft? Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: two thousand. He played parstitution and had a neck injury.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, that first one not great, not great.
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  Speaker 3: So now, of course the Jaguars have nine draft picks,
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  Speaker 3: still have what twenty undrafted players.
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  Speaker 2: In the past, they've had some invited place.
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  Speaker 5: It's twenty two now twenty two they added. But it's
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  Speaker 5: a lot, I mean, and I was guya spucky about
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  Speaker 5: that philosophy. We may have talked to about it last week,
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  Speaker 5: but we have the Huddle Up podcast, we have Bucky.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Brooks k.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: They clearly left space roster spots and real opportunity spots,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: and by that I mean not necessarily there are spots
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: for undrafted rookies to come in and play. Sometimes when
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: these undrafted rookies get signed. They get signed, but you
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: sort of look at the depth chart, guys alround and say, well, look,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I know who's playing over there. How unusual is that?
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: How real is that? For James Gladstone to have done
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: that basically saying, hey, were it's okay for undrafted rookies.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: We embrace that. It's a philosophical organizational thing, right.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: James glass On and those guys have talked about like
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: the importance of playing the young players, and we early
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: on the podcast talked about from an economical standpoint, it
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: makes a lot of sense to get the young guys
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: on the field. But to do that, you got to
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: remove the veterans from those position rooms, because veteran coaches
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: will go to the older players, because those guys can
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: answer the questions, they can trust them on the field
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: because they've been around the block. When you don't put
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: those guys in the room, and you force the coaches
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: to play the young guys, well, now they got to
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: build a report and trust that the young guys are
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: going to get it. They're gonna make it where it's
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: in their best interesting to get the young guys ready
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: to play because're gonna have to play them. The other
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: thing that you have to do is not only from
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: a philosophical standpoint, but from a schematic standpoint. You have
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: to make make sure that the schemes are easily digestible
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: by the young players, because the only way they can
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: get on the field is they got to know what
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: they're doing. And so in building the playbook, it has
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: to be catered to the young guys so that they
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: can be ready to play when we get to not
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: only the preseason, but the regular season. It has to
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: be a situation where the front office and coaching staff
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: are on lockstep, and from the outside looking at it
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: does appear that the Jaguars are committed to getting young
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: guys on the field and all of the things that
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: they're doing when it comes to the percidial part of it,
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: but also in practicality in terms of how they going
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: about it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're going to invest in the quarterback and
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: then you know when you decide what kind of team
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: you're going to be. Remember in one when the Colts
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: fired Jim More when I was there and they brought
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: in Tony Dungee, Well, they looked at their roster and
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: they knew Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, reg Y Wayne was
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: coming up date Edwin money was on that side of
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: the ball. That wasn't going to change. They weren't trading
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Peyton JP, you know that. So when they brought in
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Tony Dungee with a four to three cover two, which
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: is an easier scheme for rookies to play than the
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: three four zone blitz was what it was called back then,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: they went with basically seaball get ball play cover two,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: and you didn't need experienced linebackers who knew how to
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: play zone blitz or who knew complex schemes. So Freenye
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: and Robert Mathis came along as kids, and they made
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: their offense, I mean, I made their defense based on
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: that and really didn't pay anybody in the back end
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: because you didn't need veterans to play that scheme.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and theory, you're gonna be up by two touchdowns
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of weeks anyway.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That's that kind of offense.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: That's how you build philosophically toward that. I don't know
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: that that's exactly what this is, Bucky, but in theory,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: that's what you're doing is catering scheme to your personnel
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: and you and your salary.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: Cap yeah, and and and and to me, it makes
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: a lot of sense. And I would say from a
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: schematic standpoint, we've heard the team talk about being a
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: little more zone base, a little more vision and break
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: bas having known the scheme that they're talking about implementing
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: and what they want to do.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: It is one that look.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Has its roots in the college game, and so there
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: have been a lot of people that have been able
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: to take that system and get guys ready to play
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: and get after it. And so I'm excited to see
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: how it plays out. Defensively it makes sense. Then offensively
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: it may be a little what I call higher education
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: stuff like it may have more thinking and processes in
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: place where you have to be able to get after
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: the young guys should be able to absorb it. But
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: I definitely believe from a defensive standpoint it is more
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: of a seaball get ball defense then maybe we've seen
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: in the past, even though we've heard those terms coined before,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: more believing that this might have a chance to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: able to get that done.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: John, what do you want to see from Travis Hunter
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: this weekend?
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I guess I just want to see, you know, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: want to see how he carries himself. I think we
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: already know what we're going to see. It's just kind
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: of cool to see it in person. It was, I mean,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: the most vivid memory I have in fifteen years of
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: being here where you saw a guy and you went, well, okay,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: that's why they drafted him. Blackman had an element of
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: that because of the hands, but I can remember Jalen's
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: first day and you sort of knew, oh, okay, well
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: this is different, and you knew they weren't gonna play
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: any games with Okay, he's going to earn the job,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: you know. So I think you just want to see.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: You want to see him pop off the page, which
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he will, but that's what was advertised, is
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: the YouTube sensation, the guy that your eyes are going
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: to be drawn to. I think it's fair to expect that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Bucky.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Look, we should be able to see the energy right away.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: I think the one thing that he does is he
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: comes with a.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Lot of energy.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: His love of the ball and his enthusiasm kind of
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: stands out. You want to see and feel that because
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: what happens is, you know we talk about they call
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: them thermostat leaders like they changed the temperature of the
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: room whenever they step into it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter has that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Feel to him, and as he brings the energy, those
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: around him are also going to match that energy and
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: it just changes the ten and the dynamics of the team.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Want to see some of that from him, but you
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: also want to see these other guys, the young guys,
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: we always call it flashes.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Can they just.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Flash a little bit of that ability and talent that
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: really led you to put them in consideration as a
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: draftable player or even as a candidate that you wanted
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: to size as an undrafted free agent. Can you see
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: some of those redeeming qualities and traits show up right away?
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: And are there some things there that you can build
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: upon where you can project out how they may develop.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Over the course of the summer, And let's see what
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: they're actually made to do on the field as well.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, remember years ago it was they had eleven
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: on eleven work and that's when Dante Faller was in
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: that first rookie mini camp that was ended that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Some of that, some of that, some of that stuff happens,
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: but like, hey, yeah, we can't put them in bubble
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: wrap at some point.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: But we gotta go now, I will go, I.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Will say, because here's the thing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: When you get them around, you just don't know the
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: level of conditioning where all these guys are. Because some
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: guys have been on the uh banquet circuit kind of
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: going around eating, we don't know if they've been doing
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: their regular workouts.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Other guys have been grinding all the way through.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: Sometimes the mini camp is a general assessment to be
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: able to have the coaches, particularly the strength and conditioning coaches,
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: assess where they are and to be able to tell
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: the players, hey, here's where we need to get to
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: by the time we're at the end of May. We
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: need to kind of work up your conditioning. Here's the program.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Let's get some of these things accomplished so we can go.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: So there is something to not jumping right in eleven
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: on eleven having an assessment. But maybe you can give
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: the people just a little tasty cake, like a little
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: just a little a little snippet maybe just like a
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: little four polace sequences where we kind of see a
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: little ball.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: So we can get excited.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: So John can can kind of monitor the completions, the incompletions,
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: the touchdowns.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Some of those.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Clips there will be no monitoring. I want to watch
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Hunter and Too and run far and fast a couple
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: of times, and then I'm gonna.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Go home offense and reps on defense.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: I also think you will see uh, Caleb Ransaw and
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: the Navy safety lane.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Wait.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I think you can see from those positions some agility,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: some suddenness. I'd be surprised from what I know of
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Ransow if he doesn't show up ready to go. Uh.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: I think all these guys, I mean, I think you'll
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: see all these guys as guys who come in ready.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Most players don't come in that, you know, not ready
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: for this anymore, especially passed the first round. It's all
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: the story Fred Taylor told us where Fred basically went
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: off and did nothing for two months, ran a four
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: to two nine at his pro day, and then came back.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: And you know, he has told me stories. He had
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: quite a banquet circuit.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: YEA love I love the banquet circuit.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Well, JP is the king of the banquet circuit.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I'm all about it.
• 25:29
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  Speaker 2: Phase two is upon us.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Players are running our own without helmets out there as
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: we speak. The veteran players and the rookies will be
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: here this weekend and football is in full go.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: She's thinking, JP, I saw Sticks the coliseum forty six
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: years ago. Wow, I'm probably not.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Going to go back, going back to check him out.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to see the next time around.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: You don't see if you don't want to see, if Da've.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Improved, improved, new material waiting to spring out this years
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: of experience. It was the Pieces of Eight tour. So
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I think it's yeah, it was.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: It was a good ship. I enjoyed it to see
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: it again.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: About talk about forty years ago, you're talking about fourteen
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: year old Bucky Brooks just kind of hanging out, trying
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: to trying.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: To put it together.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know if my American bandstand watching days were
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: in full effect that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it was forty six years ago.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I was three years old.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: It was seventy. Yeah, forty any great version of Renegade
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: that night? I do remember that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the eight year old me was definitely not not
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: into it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Is that the same Renegade? Did they play in Pistas?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: The same one? Same one? It was, And sadly for me,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: it was on the radio at the time, it was
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: a hit.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: At the time.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It was fun.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I remember.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It was what they call classic rock.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: It hits hits, classic rock. It's old man's rock.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Bucky, this is what I have to deal with every day.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And are you coming for rookie Camp? Come on, Bucky,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: get over here.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I'm surprised. You never know, man, you never know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: I made show up on Saturday morning fresh off of
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Red Eye.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Woop, hop on that PJ and get over here, come on.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Right ready to go full Like, what's the weather? I
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: got to make sure it's not too hot because I can't.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Go with this too Florida. Bro come on, it's always.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I can't kidding me and go with it's too hot.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I need to make sure to Let's look.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: At the weather forecast eighty one on Saturday.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Oh what's the amidity like? Though? You know that that
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: that meant that matters.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: More hasn't been bad yet.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Really, No, it hasn't.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: What's it now, I'm looking at today humidity currently at
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: fifty six percent.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: Not bad, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. I might be in
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: a full on sweat from the core to the mick.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yet that's your when you get like seventy seventy
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: five percent and.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Your talking it's training camp stuff there.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I might may have to up enough.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: No, I may have to call in the favors see
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: if they can move to those practices to six to eight, six.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Am to eighty before comes. Talk about the banquet circuit, we.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Can get that.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: I'm not fully I'm not fully leaded up in in
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: season shape. I need to kind of ramp that up
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: a little bit.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: It sounds like he's around the bank.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Does sound like that? No, the draft, that's basically have
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: one big banquet circuit.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Pre driving big bankers circuit.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Yes, we're already looking ahead to twenty twenty six to quarterbacks, quarterbacks,
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: a lot of quarterbacks.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Golden we talked about and he hadn't thrown a pass yet.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there are a lot of guys now, I mean
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of guys to watch. I mean,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: you got arch Man and who everyone is talking about
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: like he's only played started two games, but he is
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: the presumptive QB one of the class.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Then you have Drew Aller from Penn State. You have
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: a little more sell from South Carolina, who's a dude.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: You have Garrett Neussmar from LSU who is certainly coming on.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: You have public Enemy number one, Nico who is at
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: u c l A.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: He's probably give me a number one, but he's in
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: the mix. I mean, you have a really got nice talent.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: You got nice election of quarterbacks that are coming through.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Tell you what, Penn Station's gonna be tough to beat
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: this year. They're the team. They're the team. They got
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a bunch of guys back Penn.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: States to my Knowles, Jim Knowles, Jim Knowles in the
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: defense coming Like what about Alabama?
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Alabama didn't have a transfer. It's great.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: They have a new quarterback whoever that's gonna be.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Got Georgia got the Gators coming. Gators are coming on,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: like game bus Texas.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: This should be good, should be fun function.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: It should be fun. Times should be We got a
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: long way to go. Long off season of tracking stats.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Bucky will talk to you again next week.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: If I don't see you Saturday, Yeah, next week it
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: would be.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: We'll do a special one of these if you show
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: up on Saturday.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I love that. Bucky Brooks, John Osier, m J P.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Shadwick our thanks to Brett Reever, Joe Fortunato, and thanks
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to you for listening and watching Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.