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Episode 14: Inside the Spin Cycle · Bearded And Crunchy

• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: From Goodyear Heights to podcast listeners everywhere.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to Bearded and Crunchy, Episode 14.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: Inside the Spin Cycle.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what does that mean?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I bet everybody's like, huh?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you're gonna find out what it is.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna find out what it means.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess enough of our episodes have included us teasing about this specific thing that we could kind of and and you never know.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this could hit somebody's radar that has it and thinks that they're alone or whatever, but I guess we're gonna find out, huh?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're gonna find out.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've noticed that we've kind of been hitting all kinds of subjects, and that's what we wanted to do.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't want to be pigeonholed into one kind of podcast.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: And and you know, I I I assume at some point we'll get to a point where something that we do is the most popular or whatnot, but for now, we get to throw shit at the wall and see what's this is the fun part of it.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's fun just talking about different things.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't like it, we're sorry, but yeah.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: So on that note, uh we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about some uh uh uh an eerily uh eerily uh yeah, oh shit, I didn't even catch that's a double double entendre eerily uh common uh sort of sister diseases that me and you have.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um that yeah, it it it still blows my mind that that we both came across this.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: We'll get into the the the terms of it in that you know for now.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: But he he has what's called BPPV, I have Meneer's disease, and his sister has vestibular migraines, which leaves the vertigo, which all three of us have.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, fun times.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: With that, we'll we'll we'll let you lead into one of my favorite things, the opening question.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be added.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it's still fun.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, no, keep keep doing it.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'll already know this, but in the one, I match it exactly with your with your kingdom.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's an interesting one because I know what mine was, and I'll get to it too, but I'm gonna ask you this question.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: What did you experience the first time that you ever had a vertigo spell?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I had I I I knew where my answer was gonna go, but Yeah.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: So the first time that I can trace back to all of the symptoms is it was not this past year, but the year before it, Ty had a band performance.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I was starting to feel a little shitty, and at the time my ears were clogged, but I hadn't really had a diagnosis yet.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I started feeling real bad, and I thought my sugar was off.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it was a little high, but it wasn't like terrible crazy, so I was like, all right, that's not it.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then I just started sweating profusely.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then I got just slightly dizzy, like it wasn't too crazy.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: Rannon had to drive me all the way back home.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I found my way up the stairs, got in bed, laid down, and I was just had now.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: This is the first time now I know what it is.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: At this time, I had no fucking clue what that was.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I bet it freaked you the hell out.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: Not only that, but I'm laying in my bed after she drops me off crying because I never missed a choir performance, yeah, a tennis match, any of that when Sonny was in school and I hadn't missed anything from Ty.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I was devastated, you know.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously Rannon took a video of the entire performance so I could see it, but you know, not being there was just hard.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: But just to tie in real quick, so I don't know if you remember this, but about a year before that, when I was at work, I had fell and busted my chin open and actually knocked out a couple of my fake teeth.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um now looking back, I often wonder if I got a dizzy spell and fell, and that's what knocked me out.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very good possibility.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think like I just fainted.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think what happened was is I fell, and then when I hit, it kind of knocked me out for a second.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm not a hundred percent sure that that's attributed to what I have, right?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: But I know for a fact that that one with ties was the first time I can trace it back and go that I was having one.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I I vaguely know the the story, but you can go into some more details of of of yeah how it kind of for me it uh you have manires.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have manure.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I could have said that.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: But that your yours is a a nice uh chemical imbalance in your inner ear that causes the clogging and then which vertigoitis, the vertigo.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Ugh, yeah.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I had um I had the run of the mill, as you said, BPPV, which is benign paroxysmal, positional vertigo.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you like and it happens more with age, like the older you get, the the more it can happen.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I had smacked my dome uh on my truck door, because I'm tall, and didn't think anything about it, went through the rest of my work day just fine, and I kid you not, I was laying in bed watching a baseball game, and all of a sudden I'm like, I feel kind of weird.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just started like I felt like I was on a merry-go-round at like ludicrous speed.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it felt like the world was spinning.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going, what the hell's going on?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: It freaked me the hell out, made me scared.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Same situation.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: I started sweating.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I mean, wring your shirt off.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't think people, when we say sweat, I don't mean wipe my brow.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I have to change my shirt.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's to the point now where when I get it, I just take my shirt off.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm not even gonna waste the time getting it soaking wet.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: No reason when I can, and I will sit in front of a fan until I start freezing to death.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's guys, it's it's debilitating.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: And and you know, Bob always says I have the worst part because I have the disease, but yeah, from my experience of menirs, you unfortunately inherited the worst symptoms.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: In my mind, yours is no different than mine.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just might have a couple of extra smaller side effects that you don't get, but you got the worst part of it.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the the the really bad dizziness that then comes with fucking throwing up.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: Throwing uportunately, that's only happened about a handful of times when I have a really bad one.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yours, from what I know, seem to be fairly the same um intensity.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, mine vary, you know that.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: I can have mild ones where like I just kind of get small symptoms, I can go through my day.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have a medium one where I just have to watch how quick I'm moving my face.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then I have the bad ones where it says you ain't gonna do shit till we're done.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: We don't care how many times you throw your guts up either.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll I'll go in real quick to through the process of getting it diagnosed.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I went to my main doctor, and and me personally, and I'm sure you had the same thought because we have the same thing clogged sinuses, pressure.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: We get that.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that's what I thought it was.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: I just thought I had some pressure in there, like a sinus infection or something.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I have to go regularly for diabetes anyway.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: I have to get my A1C checked every three months.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I was bringing it up, and after a couple of visits, um, he says, I I I need to send you to an ENT.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, Because like your ears are clear, like there's no cloud.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: So now I'm like, okay, then what there's something obviously wrong.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: And at this point, I hadn't had the the dizziness yet.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: This was just the constant clouding, and it would even happen on my right side very, very, very rarely, but it would still happen.
• 8:41
  unknown: Hopefully.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I go to the ENT, and they have to put you through, like when you were in middle school, a little hearing test.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's a little different than that, but it's the same.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: You have to go into this kind of like a closet where there's no beeps, sounds, all that stuff.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: You have to tap buttons, and it was visible on this chart.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: My right ear was up here about normal, and then my left ear was way down here.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: And they said, Yeah, you got something.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: And every time I would go to this ENT to you know, see her, I would have to do this hearing test ahead of time.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: So she could look at it, and she comes in and she goes, How you doing?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: Introduce yourself, and she goes, Um, I think you have Meneer's disease.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and I go, What the hell is that?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: What the hell is that?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because Rihanna jokes, me and you joke.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you don't know what the fuck this is until you either have it or you know somebody that has it.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this isn't amoebic dysentery that everybody learned from Oregon Trail.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't, you know, a migraine that people know but may not have.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like most people don't even know this exists.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, strangely enough, at the at the Fourth of July party yesterday, I was telling my cousin about it.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: Now he's been in he was in the military for 27 years.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, No, I've heard of that.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he got hit close to a mortar.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: He's got scars.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, damn.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it gives him vertical migraines, kind of like your sister from the loud bang and this stuff.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was he was in the shit.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so he kind of knew about it.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: But back to my story, and I'm like, okay, what can we do?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was on medication after medication.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: When they first put me on this, I I can't remember, it's like hydrochlorothiazide or something like that.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: It seemed to help well, and I actually went a few months without any symptoms.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's but then it came back.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, that's it was like it was like, oh, okay, you put this barrier up.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Just give me time, I'm gonna break it down.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Get around it.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then she put me on a fast acting to help with the symptoms.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I'm talking this was going on for a year, it just was not getting better.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you remember, I was going going to her, and I had told you, I said, Hey, uh I said, I was going to see a specialist.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and my last uh appointment with her, you remember I told you I was scared but kind of relieved because she looked at me and she goes, Um, I'm gonna send you to the specialist.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: He's world renowned for meners and vestibular therapy and all this stuff.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he's very well known, and it's at the Cleveland Clinic, who is yeah, one of the top hospitals in the world.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, okay, cool.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: We go through all that.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: She tells him everything, we get it scheduled.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then at the end, I go, okay, when do I schedule my follow-up with you?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: And she looks at me and she goes, Oh no, you're beyond my expertise.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to a school.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: You'll only be seeing this specialist from that.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And and although I was glad, I was scared.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm like, damn, like she went to school for shit.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: She's an ET.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, all right.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then as and if you remember, when they first scheduled, it was like two and a half, three months out.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, none of my symptoms were getting any better.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: If anything, they were happening more often, not quite as intense, but more often.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: And finally they answer me back because with uh Cleveland Clinic, you have what's called my chart in your phone, and you can actually contact them that way.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to call, go through all kinds of shit.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so um, we get that all scheduled, and she gets a hold of them, and at the beginning of that last same doctor's appointment with my ENT, I'm in the waiting room, and the specialist doctor office calls me.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: That and they're like, hey, we want to see you Monday.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a Tuesday, so they wanted to bring me in soon.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: So that that led that.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: I go to the specialist, they put me on this compound medication.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: He says, I'll see you in three months.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: That was almost three months ago.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: I go see him this month on the 21st.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um but unfortunately, as you know, um I'm still getting them.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they do feel a lot less often.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I don't get the super intense ones as often.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the clogging and and the ringing and and and that feeling like full up here, right?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: It hasn't subsided at all.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: That sucks.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh fortunately, hopefully coming into this next specialist, he did say when I seen him, he goes, We'll put you on this.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, they actually prescribed it ahead of time.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: He doubled it, and now he said the only other two things because and just so you guys know, what we have is incurable, we're just gonna have it.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: He might be able to work his into kind of a hibernation, but I will have menires for the rest of my life.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: There's no cure.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: The only thing they can do is try to keep the symptoms as at gay as they can.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: So the next step will be, and I'm not happy about it, but if it works, I don't care, is inner ear steroid injection.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: But again, man, if I if it helps, I don't give a shit.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then after that, from what I remember, it would be uh a surgery where again they can't cure it, but they can go in and drain a lot of that because ultimately I have excess fluid in their ears, which is what's calling the imbalance, the vertigo, yeah, and all that kind of stuff.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: So now that I went into mine, I didn't I didn't go into the tie-ins with me and you and the dance and stuff, because I'll let you go ahead and tie that in since the time, but you can kind of now give us give us your journey.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: My mine started in early September last year, like I said.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yours was a little bit more kind of like boom.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because yours is a um uh very it's a it's a rare disease, yeah, it's a rare disorder.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh mine is pretty much run-of-the-mill.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you get vertigo, this is how it happens.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's literally you you knock the you have the crystals in your inner ear.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: The uh I believe they're called autoconia.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: They get one of one or two, a couple, whatever, will get loose.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: They'll touch the hairs you know in your inner ear, and you'll be like, uh and then suddenly you feel like you're falling off the earth.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I experienced uh quite a few times over about a month and a half, uh, September into uh early October last year, and then I don't know, somehow I managed to move a certain way or whatever, and on my own, and it everything went back and went back where it needed to be, and then those crystals that get loose they dissolve and they get replaced by new ones, hopefully not to come back out.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Skin cells, yeah.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I went to vestibular therapy and he tried like hell to make me dizzy with all the maneuvers.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: He couldn't he couldn't do it, and he said, Hey, I think you're pretty good to go.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh kind of fast forward to uh the day before Thanksgiving last year, nasty sinus infection, and I was home and I felt it and I started sweating, and I was like, what the it had been like a month and yep, boom, all of a sudden the freaking world spinning, I was puking my brains out, just it was horrible.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: But it was different than what I was dealing with before, to where it wasn't it was intense, the spinning was intense, but after I threw up a couple times it lessened and then it went away, and I didn't feel like normally when you have one like that, you you feel the after effects for like the a day or so afterwards, maybe.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like that.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then I went through Thanksgiving okay, went to work on Black Friday, ended up having to leave early because I started having another one.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: And luckily, I was only about eight minutes from seven minutes from my dad's house from where I worked at.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was able to drive over there, got over there, I threw up like four or five times from it, I ended up passing out in a spare bedroom on the bed, slept for like three hours, woke up, felt okay.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I woke up to about 14 missed calls and about 35 text messages from my wife going, Hey, are you okay?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to call her, like, no, I I had a vertigo spell, it was horrible.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm at dad's, I'm I'm okay to drive, I'm coming home.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Went home that night, she went to work, I slept okay, kind of felt yuck, sinus, yeah, it's just felt like you were you're coming down with a cold almost.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I ended up going to the emergency room the next day, which was a Saturday.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Doctor looks right in my right ear, which is the ear that's been affected by you know the vertigo stuff, and she goes, You're super inflamed.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: You have a sinus infection and it's turning into an ear infection.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, That's what's causing it's all the pressure from all of that causing the vertigo, and you're freshly off getting over vertigo, so it's gonna happen.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I kid you not, I was on antibiotics for three days and it's been amazing.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was amazing.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I felt great.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: I've had a couple instances here and there where I'm like, eh, I feel kind of off.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: But then, you know, it's one of those situations for me, it closely mimics certain aspects of my anxiety.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, shit, am I having getting ready to have a vertigo spell or am I getting ready to go to into an anxiety attack?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and that that that's funny because a lot of the symptoms with the sweating, yeah, and and the like not the spinning, but the lightheadedness come from low sugar.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: So when I start it, my first thought is to sugar my sugar, right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: And if it's good, then I know, oh, it's coming.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: So so I I get that part what you're talking about, a little different in in that I'm thinking my sugar, but yeah, I I I totally get that.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's it it sucks because it again, it there's a lot of things it closely mimics with my anxiety, because I unfortunately get a lot of the stuffs with my anxiety.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I get the lightheadedness, I get you know, uh tingly, and the worst part of my anxiety when it full force hits is I get the heart palpitations.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: See, that's what I get that I don't like.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's the horrible.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it for me, what mine is it it's that like you know a hundred percent that something bad is about to happen, but you have no idea what it is, where it's coming from.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's where my anxiety, like oh, it's I don't get the other part, like the tingly stuff.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that that's new to me.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know that that was you.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: If you ever look up like symptoms of anxiety, I mean I have, but I I I gotta be honest, I don't remember that being some of it is insane.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, no, no.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's crazy, but I I just I hadn't remembered that.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's I I've been fairly lucky lucky.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: We've talked about this.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I have anxiety, but it's definitely not as bad as you.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: The depression was tough for me, but right.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um what what's really funny is we're talking about this, and my anxiety is kind of creeping, and I'm like, Because we're it's bringing up memories, and I'm like, I never want to have to go through that again.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's the same with and well, as I sit here and I hear you talk, I'm going in my head the different ones that I've had.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um remembering how bad it all sucks.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: And like you said, this the you know, and it's funny because when I first got it, I would go lay down because that's you know, when you don't feel good, that's the first fucking thing you think of.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: You want to lay down, and so I I would lay down, but my world would still be spinning.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you remember what I like to uh uh uh attribute it to is it's having a hangover, or not a hangover, but the bed spins, the the the end of the night drunk spins and puking, but not being able to realize you had any fun beforehand.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Just that shitty part of it.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I I like to say it's the it's like the sickest I've ever been without actually really being sick.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I what I say uh literally how I say it in simple forms is I said it's it's the drunk night without any of the fun of it.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's literally what it is.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're not wrong.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and it and it sucks because I never got the spins super bad uh ever being drunk.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's happened, yeah, but it but it but it didn't happen often.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: So but you know, yeah, uh it and it's you know for you, you have a couple of uh uh triggers, you know, that for me I've since been able to cross out yeah what.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: First, I thought I'm looking at my screens too much, so I cut my screen time down, was still getting them.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Then I thought it was quick movements and trying to move too quick.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't it.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: If you had BPPV, yes.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but that's what we're saying.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: So and then there's that.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then I thought, oh, when I'm driving, the shoom shoom.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because I did have a couple like you while driving.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I've just gotten to the point now where I don't know what triggers them.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: I just now have had them enough that I know when one's coming.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Don't know what caused it, but know it's on its way.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing that they try to limit you with your sodium and your caffeine.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, because what you're experiencing, unfortunately, is there's a couple, there's like two different chemicals in your inner ear, one being like a sodium-based, and they're starting to mix like you know a river and an ocean, and that's what's sending the pressure sky high and causing, you know, and that's why they're because they don't know exactly 100% what causes it all.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and they don't know how you get many.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: They don't like they have no clue how somebody gets it.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's either, you know, you just have and I mean, I kind of, you know, without any obviously medical experience slash medical advice on this specific thing, right?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: I had to have tubes put in my ears when I was a kid because I had so I often wonder if without them knowing it yet, if it's related to that.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because every time I bring it up and I tell people, because really what mine is is excess fluid in my ear, they go, Oh, well, you could have tubes.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I had tubes.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's actually deeper than that.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I, you know, I often wonder that because I like you, I did a rabbit hole deep.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like I looked up horror stories.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like I read this story about this guy who said he had one that lasted like 14 hours.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Or something like that.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: And there was another guy that said it wasn't an intense one, but the dizziness and all of that shit lasted two weeks.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've heard that one year.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yo, fuck.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Did you imagine?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, I couldn't imagine.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I I I get freaked out when I'm having most of my guys, I would say literally 99%, only last a half hour to 45 minutes, which is knock on what I'm thankful for.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the heavy ones, unfortunately, come with a day, like you said earlier or two of groggy weak.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's what gets me the most is I'm not doing anything but sitting still, but coming out of it, I feel like I'm coming off of a very bad flu.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like my body's weak, I'm tired.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: And and and I don't know if this happens to you, but when I have the bad ones and I sweat like that, yes, when it passes, I'm ice cold for about two hours.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean freezing cold.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, and so it's just it's weird because like it's a combination of symptoms you've had from different shit, but never all balled up into one fucking thing.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it and it and it's all of the worst parts of that.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and it's debilitating.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: And you know when you don't have answers, it's frustrating, you know.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, like I said, I I my beta histine that I take, I get sent 300 pills.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's a 50-day supply.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a 50-day supply.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's$156.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Holy crap.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's not cheap.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, not at all.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I can't go to a regular pharmacy, it has to be made at Cleveland Clinic and then mailed to me.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they have to mix it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, because it's a compound medicine.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: And the worst, I had to come to terms with it, but there was a while I was gonna quit taking it because I was still having them.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: But then I started to think about it and I'm like, well, okay, they're not completely getting rid of them, but how bad would I be if I wasn't taking it?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: They they've seemed from what you've told me, because you know, we talk all the time, obviously, but that they seem like they've kind of sort of lowered in intensity.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: They have on some things, and you know it it that's that was always the worst part for me with mine.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like they would be so intense, and and with having what I had, they would last for like a minute, minute and a half, and then it would subside for like two or three minutes, and then it would come back and last forever.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like boo, boo, boom, boom.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was like in waves.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I had a day where it the shit lasted off and on for like 12 hours.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's terrible.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: See, I and yeah, that I'm thankful for.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, well, here's the weird thing though.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: If I have a mild or or like a medium type one, yeah, it can actually that can last about an hour to an hour and a half.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: But thankfully, those are not too too bad.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: But the intense ones, yeah, thank God, they've only lasted about a half hour, maybe 40 to 45 minutes.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good thing, bro.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, because like I said, you know, I made the mistake of thinking laying down would help.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't, it makes it worse.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, your body is struggling because not only are you going through this imbalance and dizzy thing, yeah, you're laying down and your center of gravity is now to the side.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: So now they're fighting each other.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I learned after about the first four or five intensity laying down, no no good.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: You must sit stand straight up and down.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: I uh yeah, I I I sit up and and I focus on one thing.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Typically, when I'm starting to have a medium to a more intense one, I just put my iPad on on Netflix or something, right?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: And just let a movie or something play where there's not a lot of movement, and I can just keep my eyes focused.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's uh it it's it sucks.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I I can tell you what kind of helped me, but obviously I'm my mind was different than what you're going through.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: But what really helped me out is was honest to God meditation and breathing focused medic meditation.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like it really helped to get through some of it.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't stop it, obviously, but it would help calm the anxiety before it would, you know.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it it's funny you should say that because I say to you a lot, I figured out a way to weather them better.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that's one of the things when I start to have it come on, I kind of that's what I do.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, I'm I'm not freaking out.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: I I do kind of do this with my hands just as it passes, but I will do that, and then I will I will make sure I'm like, okay, you gotta get somewhere and sit and find something to focus on.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then I do, like you say, I just breathe and I just sit there and I just I weather it.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, you know what I mean?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because one thing is if I start to feel like I'm getting dizzy, it may pass and I don't.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: But if I'm doing something that causes me quick to move it or something, it'll it'll knock it and it'll go through the roof.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what I mean by weather it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's like if I can catch it in the beginning, then I can kind of just like weather it and kind of let it just pass me by.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, some of them it just goes fuck you.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it just says, I'm gonna kick you in the ball.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: There, there's no rhyme or fucking reason to it at all.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it it just that's probably one of the worst parts about it.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Is it just it does what it wants when it wants, and you're just you're gonna deal with it.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like you're in the middle of a plane crash and you're not the pilot.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just like all right, well we gotta I'm going down with the ship.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta accept the outcome, whatever it is, and then you know, pray for the best or hope for the best.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, again if you don't know what it's like, then then it's gonna be hard to understand.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: But hopefully, you know, at some point, you know, maybe if and when we get bigger, um, we can revisit it and hope to reach more people because this is something that's very important to both of us.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, you know, regardless of how you see it as you have a lesser version, me knowing you know what it feels like, right?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what they call it, right?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: This shit sucks.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, and and and I I just you don't I mean, like I said, I never heard about it.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I wouldn't wish it all my worst enemy.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what you've done.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take diabetes tenfold.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because this stuff is and not to share her story to put her out there, but my my dad's fiance actually experienced it here recently.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it hurt it hit her like it did me just out of nowhere.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, Am I having a stroke?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what you think.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: You start thinking, like, what is going on?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: And and that was, you know, the far well, and you know, your sister, she's got the vestibular migraines that causes her to have vertigo.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: And and that's the thing, like, guys, you don't know when it's gonna happen.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I typically I have I would literally say 99% of the time I have signs that let me up.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: But there was one time, it was a Saturday morning, we was I was getting up, I was putting my teeth in, and I was brushing my hair and I was getting ready, and I'm sitting at at the mirror in the bathroom at the sink.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and like when I got up, typically when I get up, sometimes I'm a little you know stuffy and stuff because we're old.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then it starts to clear, and then I'm standing there and then just boom, dizzy.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Just and I mean the intense one.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, like that was the only time that it hit like that.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: The intense ones always had a build-up.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Build up.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: This one just said, hey, Chuck Norris here.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and here's a roundhouse to the face.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, so I had to go in and tell Ty, I said, Ty, I'm having a dizzy spell.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna lay back down, you know, give me some time.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: And like I said, typically half hour, 45 minutes.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I did what I always do.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: I took my shirt off so I could stay as cool as I could.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: I sat up at the end of my bed with my fan blowing high to try to keep me cool.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: And eventually I got to the point where I could lean back against the wall, you know, yeah where our bed is, and just sit there and weather it out.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: And after about 35 minutes, we were able to finally go.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: But that was that's one thing that I've experienced, but thankfully only once.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: The fact that that you guys have them hit the way you do, yeah, that's the worst.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're they're terrible, man.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like I said, I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's it's it's again like knowing there's no cure, right?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Knowing that it's rare, and and the fact that like you don't see it pop up, that also lets me know probably not a whole lot of research going into it either.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, maybe in some kind of it, at least for my end of it, I know you have what they call vestibular therapy and stuff like that, but yeah, I asked my specialist about that, and he goes, Looking at your ear test, I don't think that'll help.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but um, you know, uh, I just hope we can shed the light, and maybe there's somebody that we can reach that doesn't know they have right.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: This will go, wait a minute, I have all that.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they'll go to a doctor, you know, ENT and try to see.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because, like I said, guys, like I literally thought I was just having in the beginning a consistent sinus infection.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because because of the the heaviness and the in the and the thickness in my head and the yeah, the the pressure, the pressure in your ear, and you know, even occasionally I get the ringing, and it's just yeah, it it it and and the fact that like we didn't talk about this, but like when you had your first dizzy spell, you it was around Thanksgiving, and um if you remember shortly after that, because we would talk about it and I would say I don't really get the dizziness that often, and then I started really getting it.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I was like, Holy shit.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, we had talked about how crazy like we have the both have this rare shit, you know.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's we're cycling our vertigo, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: As a previous episode, you guys will see that clip.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that was a funny fucking clip.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very funny.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so I mean, you know, guys, it you you'd be surprised.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um and be careful.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Don't don't use WebMD and like Google it, but but look a couple of different places to understand because you know there is a lot of false information and there's a lot of iffy websites and shit.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta be careful at what you go to.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Typically, I go reputable.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: I usually go to like the American Health Association and places like that because that's where you're gonna get shit that they're not gonna, you know what I mean.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I tend to look at more things that are peer-reviewed papers and research papers and but that's what I mean.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: Typically the stuff that's on like WHO and shit like that is more well, yeah, I don't know about them, but you know what I'm getting at.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, the yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I tend I tend to trust like Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic Research stuff.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: That, you know, there's a lot of information out there.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Again, do not go down the rabbit hole because it will make you freaked out even more.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: I looked at some shit and I was like, I started seeing shit, and it was like uh this one guy was like, he said it started exactly like minded.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he said after a couple of years of it, he just got to the point where like he had to resign from work and all this shit.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I started freaking the fuck out.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, don't let that shit happen to me.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: But then you find out that those are like the real extreme cases and shit like that.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: When I say few and far between, like, yeah, I believe I seen an article that they said that people that have them longer than a couple of hours is literally less than like three or four percent.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: So that would that was good to see.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, again, guys, like you know, to to to you listeners that are that are just following us and listening to listen, you're really not gonna understand it.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why we try to bring up, you know, all of us have well, most of us have drank at some point, and most of us have drank too much at some point.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's that's really uh I mean it's a little different, but it's the closest comparison.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, it's the closest thing that's comparable that we can but you still can't explain it.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: You can't because it's it it's still different.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like I have been drunk where when I laid down the room started spinning, the room kept spinning, but after a few seconds or minutes, it would kind of subside as my body laid down.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: With this, until it passes, it's just there screwed.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter if you're sitting, lying down, closing your eyes, it's just gonna happen.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually worse if you close your eyes.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh in my in my I totally agree.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: In the beginning, I thought it helped, it did not, and what I found was is it also subsided faster if I stayed upright.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, again, dealing with it so often, you start to learn little tricks and things that help you get through it, or as I like to say, weather it a little bit better.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I never found closing my eyes did anything.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: I always felt that uh the spatial awareness was less with your eyes closed.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: You were more tunnel vision.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and and and I'll tell you a couple of things that like you know um I I hadn't really like I I don't think about, but it's it's things that like um the like some or um little things that like signs that let me know I'm coming out of it or that help me get better.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it's one I don't know why, but if I yawn, it helps.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Pressure.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like as I yawn, I guess that's kind of like the whole ears pop open your mouth.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh pressure.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then like I said, once I start to feel myself getting cold, I know I'm coming out of it.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there's little things that I've I've I've I've learned that uh you know have helped me understand it, weather it, and and and and be able to to to to kind of just deal I mean make it a part of life, I guess.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's all you need to do.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's you know, that's what it is.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like I said, I I was talking to my cousin and you know, my brother and and my sister-in-law and my little cousin, like we were all standing there, and I'm I was explaining it to him, and someone were like, Oh my god, that's awful.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, it is.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, but unfortunately, I there's no like there's nothing that can be I mean, there's things that can alleviate the symptoms, but if you have it, you have it.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and and luckily for you, uh it seems a lot like you you go days or weeks sometimes without having any issues.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: So luckily there's a little bit of of rest.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: There's a little bit of relief.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: And and and and not to cut you off, but when I have a bad one, I always know I'm gonna have seven to ten days after where I'm great.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: So there is a silver lining in the bad ones in that I know, okay, I'm gonna be free after this for a while.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, we were a little loud in the monitor.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: I gotcha.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's you know, it's just something we have to deal with, and no, it sucks.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it doesn't matter as they say, it is what it is.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean, there's not really much more to talk about, man.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: We can make it a shorter episode.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you got something you want to bring up or you know, honestly, I I think we've kind of hit everything everything we wanted to do.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if if if you guys have any questions about it, please hit us up.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, you know, I've I've said our socials a thousand times, it'll be up on the screen in the video.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, beared it and crunched on everything.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: But if you guys have questions about it, I mean, obviously, we're not medical seek medical advice, but if you think you're having small symptoms, reach out, man.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the the the the one silver lining I will say real quick, um, there was a gentleman that had like really like worse than mine.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and he said one day uh they just stopped.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: That and that's been 10 years, and he was like, I'm I'm I'm free.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: It goes away as quick as it came, it goes away again fast.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess at some point I'm just I'm just hoping I get there.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully it'll only last a couple years and then you'll be able to move on like it never it'll be a memory at some point to where you can.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: I truly, truly hope.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm assuming it's gonna be a good dad joke.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I found one, but I kind of like it.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're all funny to me.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we are really short this episode.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's alright.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna add filler.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I I do feel like we hit everything we wanted to do.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's nothing really more we can really add to it.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm happy with it.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, here's your dad joke.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: What sound does a dizzy turkey make?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is gonna be good.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: I okay, I think I might know, but we'll see what.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Wobble wobble.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: And on that note, we'll see you next week.