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No Dribble EXTRA: A Conversation with Zoe Daniel · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to a DM podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We'll try to keep it as nice as we can,
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  Speaker 2: but you might hear the occasional swear word in No
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  Speaker 2: Dribble Don't tell them Hello and welcome to No Dribble Extra.
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  Speaker 2: This is an exciting little series for us where we
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  Speaker 2: are just going to be doing some additional episodes in
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  Speaker 2: the lead up to There's two exciting things happening at
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  Speaker 2: the moment. The sun Corps Super Netple season has started
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  Speaker 2: again and Australia is having a federal election. This is
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  Speaker 2: our opportunity to choose our government now. Not everybody is
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  Speaker 2: as interested in politics as Liz and I. Kat for instance,
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  Speaker 2: is not here today because she's got actually it's just
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  Speaker 2: a scheduling issue, but she sent me some instructions and
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  Speaker 2: questions to ask on her behalf. But what we wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do was take advantage of this very exciting opportunity
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  Speaker 2: that we have in this country where we have a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot of people in really influential positions who are
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  Speaker 2: interested in our sport. So No Dribble Extra is about
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  Speaker 2: talking to some of these amazing people and asking a
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  Speaker 2: couple of questions on your behalf and also finding out
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  Speaker 2: some critical answers to the questions that we ask in
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  Speaker 2: Coxy's hot box. So I'm Carolyn Swindell. I'm still in
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  Speaker 2: London and it is very early for me and I
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  Speaker 2: am joined by.
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  Speaker 1: Liz Ellis and I am still in northern New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't moved and we are joined today by Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Before I introduce our guest, one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited about is the fact that so many
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  Speaker 1: important positions in politics for us, for netball are filled
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  Speaker 1: by women. Right, So we've got a female Minister for Sport,
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  Speaker 1: a female shadow Minister for Sport, a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: people who may hold the balance of power post the
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  Speaker 1: election of women. So as if they all don't love netball,
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  Speaker 1: I mean we do let the blokes in occasional. We
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  Speaker 1: do have some blokes who listen to No Dribble. But
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  Speaker 1: this is a really exciting moment, I think for our country,
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  Speaker 1: so let's lean into that. So our guest today is
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  Speaker 1: the Member for Goldstein, Zoey Daniel. And Zoe is a
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  Speaker 1: former ABC journalists in or She's first elected to Federal
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  Speaker 1: Parliament in twenty twenty two and I've actually interviewed her
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  Speaker 1: before when she released her first book and I was
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  Speaker 1: working on the ABC so and I got to go
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  Speaker 1: and spend a little bit of time with Soe in
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  Speaker 1: Parliament House when I visited in my role as Chair
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  Speaker 1: of Netball Australia a little while ago. And I think
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  Speaker 1: the first thing that all the dribblers will want to know, Zoe,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to you. It's great to have you.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: All the dribblers want to know what position you played now.
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  Speaker 1: I don'tant you to tell me, because I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a superpower that I can guess people's
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  Speaker 1: netball positions just from a couple of questions, and the
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  Speaker 1: positions really do correspond to their personalities. So the first
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  Speaker 1: question I'm going to ask you, Zoe, in a social
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  Speaker 1: sort of situation with you mates, are you the person
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  Speaker 1: who organizes or are you the person who just says
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  Speaker 1: yeah whatever, I'll turn off.
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  Speaker 3: If I can organizer, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well that makes you either a mid court
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  Speaker 1: or a shooter. Now, you're nice and tall. I know
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  Speaker 1: that for a fact, and I did have you what's.
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  Speaker 2: Nice and tall? Prowab We just say tall. It could
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  Speaker 2: be nice and short too. Sae. I'm one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty nine centimeters and I cop a lot of flak
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  Speaker 2: for that in this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: This is true.
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  Speaker 1: Soe, how tall are you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: That is nice and tallat Liz tallish.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know, I'll look at you, you know when
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  Speaker 1: we almost see eye to eye. So that so that's
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  Speaker 1: always okay. So you're you are an organizer in terms
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  Speaker 1: of social stuff. You're a politician, so that makes you
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  Speaker 1: a leader. You're a former journalist, so you're a thinker.
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  Speaker 1: I would think that that should I'm getting mixed messages
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  Speaker 1: here because I feel like the people who organize stuff
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  Speaker 1: are always a goal attacks. You know, they're always getting
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  Speaker 1: on and organizing things, and the defenders go, yeah, good idea.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get there if I can because I'm really busy.
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  Speaker 1: You've got height on your side. I'm going to I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: You're a defender. You've got defender vibes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, gold defense.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, what a surprise is our first guest in this
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  Speaker 1: series is a toll defender and Catherine's not here.
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  Speaker 2: A defender of democracy. Oh, this is true.
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  Speaker 1: So do you still play or how long did you
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  Speaker 1: play netball for?
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  Speaker 4: I played when I was at school and I played
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  Speaker 4: a lot when I was at school. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: guess I was of that era where girls had less
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  Speaker 4: choices with the sports that we played. And I grew
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  Speaker 4: up in Tasmania so at a fairly small public school,
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  Speaker 4: so he probably had less less choice. And it was
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  Speaker 4: basically softball in summer and netball in winter. So played
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  Speaker 4: a lot of netball. My dad played for Essendon and
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  Speaker 4: was a football coach, so very sporty family and Dad
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  Speaker 4: spent a lot of time with me when I was
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  Speaker 4: a little girl, teaching me ball skills and really encouraged
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  Speaker 4: me to play netball. So I did play some netball
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  Speaker 4: for Northern Tasmania. Never reached state level, but I very
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  Speaker 4: much enjoyed my netball when I was at school. And
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  Speaker 4: after I left Tazzy and went to Union or the
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  Speaker 4: rest of it, I never really played much, just played socially,
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  Speaker 4: but I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: So is it a way for you when you left
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  Speaker 1: Tasi to make to get into your next social circle
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  Speaker 1: or to make friends?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's great.
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  Speaker 4: At university, I moved into State like I had literally
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  Speaker 4: just turned eighteen, and like a lot of young Tasmanians,
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  Speaker 4: i'd left the state to go and do the degree
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  Speaker 4: that I needed to pursue elsewhere and sort of randomly
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  Speaker 4: landed in Adelaide and put myself through UNI by working
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  Speaker 4: at pubs and restaurants and pretty much arrived knowing no one.
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  Speaker 4: And then you've got to find your pathways to a
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  Speaker 4: social life. So sport is a really great way of
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  Speaker 4: doing that. And speaking of Carolyn's height, my bestie ang Pippos,
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  Speaker 4: former sport journo who now works for me, who is
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  Speaker 4: a center, a classic center. She and I met on
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  Speaker 4: the first hour of UNI and she's now working in
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  Speaker 4: my office and we probably are typically our personalities probably
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  Speaker 4: matched those two bousy gold offense and center, and she's
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  Speaker 4: very much at the center of my office, organizing me
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  Speaker 4: day by day.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic. Everybody needs a center. So do you study journalism?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So you know, back in the day there were
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  Speaker 4: a couple of really good journalism courses in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: The one at the University of South Australia was one.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, probably if I did it again, I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't necessarily do a journalism degree because journalism is a
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  Speaker 4: trade and you can learn it on the job. But
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  Speaker 4: at that time, I made a decision to do an
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  Speaker 4: arts degree, which was a journalism degree, and that course
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  Speaker 4: was very practical, so it was good because you know,
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  Speaker 4: we produced a newspaper, we produced radio news bulletins, we
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  Speaker 4: produced television news bulletins, and that stood me in really
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  Speaker 4: good stead And I started working for the ABC when
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  Speaker 4: I was still in third year UNI as a producer.
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of just organically merged myself into working
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  Speaker 4: in media and since have worked all over Australia and
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  Speaker 4: all around the world, lived in every state except Queensland,
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  Speaker 4: lived in South Africa, Cambodia, Thailand, and the US as
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  Speaker 4: a journal before I was elected to parliament.
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  Speaker 3: So I was really lucky with that pathway.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're a foreign correspondent, was it like, was
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  Speaker 1: it all the skills you learned as gold offense that
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  Speaker 1: really helped you out in those sticky situations that foreign
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  Speaker 1: correspondents get into.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, all the skills that you pick up
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  Speaker 4: as a kid, like in your formative years are very
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  Speaker 4: important in a job like that, which I often say
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  Speaker 4: to people is sort of three quarters logistics and twenty
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  Speaker 4: five percent reporting. And my other thing when I was
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  Speaker 4: growing up was horse riding. So probably that took over
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  Speaker 4: my netball as.
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  Speaker 3: I got older.
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  Speaker 4: And you know that at that time, in that era,
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  Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties, you know, my parents would drop
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  Speaker 4: me off at the horse at seven thirty in the
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  Speaker 4: morning and pick me up at six thirty in the evening.
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  Speaker 3: And there was no mobile and there's no anything.
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  Speaker 4: So if you fell off the horse, you had to
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  Speaker 4: get back on and sort yourself out.
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  Speaker 3: So you learn a lot of problem solving skills and
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  Speaker 3: independence doing that.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, also if you go back to netball,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the teamwork that comes in when you're playing
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  Speaker 4: team sport is critically important in a situation of being
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  Speaker 4: a front correspondent where you're often working in a small
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  Speaker 4: team and incredibly high risk situations and sometimes things that
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  Speaker 4: come on you really quickly, like you get a phone
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  Speaker 4: call three am saying go now there's been a terrorist
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  Speaker 4: attack or whatever it is that's happened, and so you
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  Speaker 4: have to be really quick on your feet and very
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  Speaker 4: resourceful and able to work with a team.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic. Yeah, I feel one of the really great things
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  Speaker 2: that happened for us as a country in the last
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  Speaker 2: election was a wave of people who've not come from
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  Speaker 2: within the political system, but who've come from outside of
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  Speaker 2: the system, so you know, they have a spectrum of
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  Speaker 2: political beliefs, but a really broad background, and yours is
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  Speaker 2: yours is a particularly interesting one.
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  Speaker 1: So like, obviously, if you're a foreign correspondent, couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: a goal shooter because you could get the phone call
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  Speaker 1: at three am to leave and you wouldn't have time
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  Speaker 1: to do your lip gloss. So shoot this outside. The
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  Speaker 1: goal shooters union will be after me. I'm so interested
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  Speaker 1: in your career in this regard because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: being a foreign correspondent, as you say, there's an element
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  Speaker 1: of danger. You've got to be spontaneous, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be there's a sense of adventure. How does that
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  Speaker 1: then flip into what your day to day or your
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  Speaker 1: experience now as a politician in government. Do you still
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  Speaker 1: get the same adrenaline or is it something that you think, well,
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  Speaker 1: I've had to park that part of my life and
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  Speaker 1: arming parliament it's just a bit more sedate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So firstly, I will say, why is it the goal
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  Speaker 4: shooter and the goal attack or always the pretty ones
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  Speaker 4: in the team.
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  Speaker 2: The wing defense was the pretty one in my team.
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  Speaker 1: That look, that is a question that you know, that
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  Speaker 1: case of neveral philosophers awake at night, and when I
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  Speaker 1: wake up at three am with my menopause, I was
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  Speaker 1: always a like, I'll do this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, to just park that as, you know,
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  Speaker 4: something to ponder. No, look in terms of the sort
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  Speaker 4: of well, strange and wonderful direction that my life has taken,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I never would have expected to get into politics,
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  Speaker 4: particularly having covered politics around the world and to some
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  Speaker 4: degree in Australia and seeing how just incredibly toxic it
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  Speaker 4: can be at times, and also having been an ABC
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  Speaker 4: journalist for so long, you know, I'd sort of trained
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  Speaker 4: myself to not have partisan positioning on anything and to
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  Speaker 4: think sort of objectively about the goods and bads in
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  Speaker 4: the whole range of policy across the spectrum. So I
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  Speaker 4: never could have run for either of the major parties
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  Speaker 4: because I'm just not ideological in that way.
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  Speaker 3: And it was when actually it was a.
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  Speaker 4: Again getting back to the center, who came to me
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  Speaker 4: and said, you know, would you consider running as an independent?
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  Speaker 3: And I said absolutely, not, no way.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's toxic, it's toxic for women, it's awful,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and it's a mess and they never get
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  Speaker 4: anything done, blah blah blah. But then the organization that
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  Speaker 4: was prodding me voices of Goldstein to the community group
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  Speaker 4: that had sprung up in the community looking for someone
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  Speaker 4: to run. They were very tenacious in pursuing me to
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  Speaker 4: do it for about three or four months in late
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, and eventually, actually it was my kids
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  Speaker 4: who got me over the line. So my son at
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  Speaker 4: that time was fourteen, my daughter was twelve, and my
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  Speaker 4: son said, someone's got to do something for us, Mum,
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  Speaker 4: someone's got to get into the room and speak up
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  Speaker 4: for us. And I thought, and he also said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: how did you feel in twenty years time if you'd
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  Speaker 4: had an opportunity to do something you didn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, kids are really good at guiltying you
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  Speaker 4: into doing me, so you're prepared to.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you hate it when your kids get smarter than you.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's really annoying.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, the skills that I have from the
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  Speaker 4: work that I've done really do translate very well. And
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  Speaker 4: it is true to say, as Carolyn said, that you've
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  Speaker 4: got you know, this group of independents of different professional
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  Speaker 4: backgrounds as independents, the barristers, people have worked in business.
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  Speaker 4: Zali Steggel was an olympian, and there's also a family
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  Speaker 4: law barrister, a couple of doctors, midwife, and May's had
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  Speaker 4: a career in global politics and media. And the skills
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  Speaker 4: are really useful in a whole lot of ways when
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  Speaker 4: you're making policy decisions because you're not someone who's been
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  Speaker 4: sort of in the bubble of politics my whole life
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  Speaker 4: that you've had all of these experiences, and in my case,
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  Speaker 4: of course, I've lived a really high pressure, high adrenaline life.
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  Speaker 4: I've covered multiple climate disasters, I've covered Trump, I've covered
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  Speaker 4: Wall Street, I've covered geopolitics across the world, conflicts, civil unrest,
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  Speaker 4: terrorist attacks, plane crashes that the works really and been
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  Speaker 4: in refugee camps and all of those things are really
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  Speaker 4: useful content. Next, when you're having to make decisions that
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  Speaker 4: affect people, which is obviously at the center of the
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  Speaker 4: work that we do, trying to make the best decisions
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  Speaker 4: for most people, and also trying to develop better policy
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  Speaker 4: to benefit most people, especially our young people. And so
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  Speaker 4: the translation across from foreign correspondent to MP for me,
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  Speaker 4: I think's been a natural progression.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, like I've come in to see you in your
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  Speaker 1: office in Parliament House. What's that like? Do you get
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  Speaker 1: people coming into your office all the time saying, we
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  Speaker 1: think you need to support us with this, We think
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  Speaker 1: you need to support us with that. Is that a
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  Speaker 1: difficult thing to have to say?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, yes, okay, thanks for coming, Like, how hard is
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  Speaker 1: that to manage all these stakeholders who want a peace
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot needs to happen, a lot needs to be done,
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  Speaker 4: and some of the sort of spaces, if you like,
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  Speaker 4: are really crowded. So health for example, you know, when
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  Speaker 4: you think about all the different cancers and all the
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  Speaker 4: different health conditions that need to be addressed from a
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  Speaker 4: limited pool of funding, it's almost like a competition between
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  Speaker 4: different organizations trying to get their research funded or their
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  Speaker 4: incredibly important project funded. And obviously, as a single human,
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  Speaker 4: as an independent my primary job is to represent my
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  Speaker 4: community and.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I do first.
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  Speaker 4: So I do a lot of community engagement here and
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  Speaker 4: spending time with my constituents and community organizations. But then
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  Speaker 4: there's those bigger picture meetings that you have to have
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  Speaker 4: and also that you want to have with organizations that
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  Speaker 4: are trying to achieve something, but also other sort of
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  Speaker 4: broader matters of policy, and you know, women's sport is
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  Speaker 4: one of those, and that's an area that we've had
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  Speaker 4: a real focus on. But everything from that to climate
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  Speaker 4: and energy policy. You know, how do we trans position
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  Speaker 4: from fossil fuels to renewable energy? This is like a
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  Speaker 4: massive complicated project. How do we reform our tax system
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  Speaker 4: so that our kids aren't bearing the burden of an
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  Speaker 4: aging society.
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  Speaker 3: How do we resolve the housing crisis? You know, these
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  Speaker 3: are massive questions, so you're kind of grappling with multiple
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  Speaker 3: things on multiple tracks all of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you said something that's very interesting to us, and
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  Speaker 2: that's about women's sport. Obviously, you know Liz has a
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  Speaker 2: particular stake in this, but I'm just a passionate fan
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  Speaker 2: of the game. But I think, as you know, Australia's
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  Speaker 2: largest sport for women and girls, there is a I
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  Speaker 2: think the government could do a bit better in supporting us.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously Liz is a little bit more hamstrung than
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  Speaker 2: I am in being able to say these things. But
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  Speaker 2: love to hear when you say, you know, talking about
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  Speaker 2: a focus on women's sport. What's your commitment to women's sport,
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  Speaker 2: what's your commitment to netball? Have you got any thoughts
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  Speaker 2: about what you would like to see in a next
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  Speaker 2: parliamentary term in this space?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that we need to start when we
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  Speaker 4: think about women's sport is elevating women and girls in
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  Speaker 4: society to create an equal environment and breaking down gender
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  Speaker 4: stereotypes that our society has sort of lent on for
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  Speaker 4: a long time to the broader detriment of all of us.
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  Speaker 3: All boats rise as one. So if we create equality.
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  Speaker 4: In all of our systems and through our communities, that's
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  Speaker 4: how you bring that big systems change in terms of
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  Speaker 4: acceptance that women and girls can fully participate in our society,
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  Speaker 4: and that goes to enabling.
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  Speaker 3: Participation of women and girls in sport.
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  Speaker 4: You know, although I've had my own participation in sport
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  Speaker 4: in various ways during my lifetime, in some ways now
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  Speaker 4: I see it through the prism of my daughter and
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  Speaker 4: my son's.
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  Speaker 3: Participation in sports.
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  Speaker 4: So have a sixteen year old daughter and an eighteen
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  Speaker 4: year old son, and I both love sport. They're both
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  Speaker 4: incredibly active, not in netball so much. Although my daughter
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  Speaker 4: has played quite a bit of netball, but it's now
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  Speaker 4: been overtaken by football largely.
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  Speaker 3: But it's ever fascinating to.
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  Speaker 4: Me the resources that the boys get versus what the
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  Speaker 4: girls get in sport. And so my kids both play
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: in the first in footy for school, for example, and
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: that's fantastic, but what the boys get in terms of
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: coaching and focus is very different to what the girls get.
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  Speaker 4: So part of my push has been around adequate funding
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  Speaker 4: for women's sport in terms not only in terms of
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: facilities but also programs, access to grounds, access to courts.
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  Speaker 4: And in my electorate, you know, one thing that's really obvious,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: and this was obvious to me way before I became
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: an MP, was a lack of access to facilities for girls.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: And there's always a lot of talk about change rooms
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and football grounds and that is a.
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  Speaker 3: Really big issue.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, there's been this huge debate in my
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: community about lack of access to netball courts because so
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: many girls want to play and there's just not enough
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: courts for them. So there's recently been a big new
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: bunch of courts built somewhat controversial from a community point
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: of view for various reasons, but of course, the kids
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: absolutely love having access to that, and so you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: part of the push out of my office has been
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: around connecting lifting girls their self esteem, their mental health,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: their full participation in society through sport, whichever sport it is,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: and obviously netball is, as you said, such a massive
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: participation sport for girls and it should get appropriate focus here.
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  Speaker 3: That's terrific.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Sewey, and I look forward to coming
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and sitting in your office and having a chat to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you and ange about that as well. After the election.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I think we need to have to One of the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: favorite parts of these little extra interviews, and that is,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: even though Catherine's not here, we do have a little segments,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: are we And I'm wondering how brave you feel?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Always brave?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean you've faced danger, You've been in all
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: sorts of situations as a foreign correspondent, You've been in
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the bare pit of Parliament. But I don't know that
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you've been in a situation like this. This is Coxy's
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: hot box. There are a number of questions for you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to answer, and to be perfectly transparent, we have not
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: briefed you or ang on what these questions are. So
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Carolyn's got the questions I do.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I am standing in She's handed me the list of
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: questions that these are questions without notice again, just put
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it in parliamentary chance. Actually, one thing we haven't asked.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Who's your son Corps super Nepple team? Who do you support?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Melbourne Vixen's Okay, we can't be friends, but that's okay,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that's right on the chair of Netble Australia.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I am agnostics Switzerland. Again, I'm Switzerland.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Oh they don't have a The Vixen's lost on the weekend.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're jumper there. You almost look like you're in
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a Maps supporters jersey there, So I guess.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I'm wearing my teal course.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I believe you're up for this, so
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I've got faith in you. You are now going to
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: enter Coxy's hot box. We're here with you, but you
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: know you have to enter and leave on your own.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid. So all right, coffee, order M and slight
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: white summer or winter summer breakfast, go.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: To donate breakfast.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Oh that's controversial.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: So the next question is funniest teammatee. Now you can
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: interpret that as you wish your cohort of parliamentarians who
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you entered in within twenty twenty two? Your office? Is
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it you?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Nate Ryan?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Very good, hilarious.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Tomato sauce in the fridge or the cupboard?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Cupboard?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Favorite sport that's not netball?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Phil?
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  Speaker 2: Best holiday destination.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Our shack on the grad Ocean road?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, very nice?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Nice plane activity. What do you do when you're flying.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Movies?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Okay? Now this is a question that might not apply
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to you because you might not have time. What are
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you binging right now?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: TV wise right? Okay? Political podcasts, dribble obviously absolutely bitter
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: net Do you have a tattoo? You can refuse to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: answer that one? Okay, you don't. I'm also a clean
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: skin litsen cat that both marked favorite music genre or
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: uzzie rock? Okay. And finally, and this is a big one,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: particularly for miss Ellis here, how do you have your
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: steak cooked?
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Medium rare?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Excellent? Well done? Now, if I was in gold Steine,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I'd vote for medium red gold.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Stein Goldstein, Yeah, I vote for medium rare too, Do
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Can I just just on on Goldstein on the powerful
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: women theme. Gold Stein is named after Vida Goldstein, who
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: was an internationally renowned suffragist who basically you did a
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: lot of work to get women a pathway to running
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: for public office, and she ran the five Times as
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: an independent and she was never elected. So I always
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: like to think that I'm actually finishing the job for
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Vida sitting in her seat in the Australian Parliament.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Oh what a fabulous note to finish on. I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that is fantastic. Thank you Vider for your resilience and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: your efforts the better place, and so we thank you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: for joining us today on No Dribble Extra. Usually we
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: just turn up and talk a bit of shit about
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: netball and a chat, but we really feel very lucky
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to have this conversation with you
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: on behalf of the not just the women and girls
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of Australia who are netball players and fans, but also
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the men and the boys who are netball fans and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: players in the next generation.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But thank you very much for your time, absolute pleasure.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, and yeah, keep up your vitamin
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: cee and good luck with the next month. It's a
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: marathon for you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Carolyn Swindell.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I'm Loise Ellis, see you soon.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Bye bye
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  Speaker 3: M