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Pit Stop: What’s a Porsche Purist anyway? (Patreon Special Re-release) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  We always have a blast chatting with our guests about all sorts of
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  different topics, but sometimes we go off the rails and dig deeper into
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  their automotive and motorsports pasts.
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  As a bonus, let's go behind the scenes with this pit stop mini sode
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  for some extra content that didn't quite fit in the main episode.
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  Sit back, enjoy, and remember to like, Patreon.
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  I just would like more people to appreciate the
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  fact rather than the fiction.
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  And, uh, we didn't get into the transmission, but the transmission's now
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  at the haunted house in Los Las Vegas and you have, you know, you're buying an
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  expensive ticket to look at a transmission that supposedly is very cursed heavily.
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  Yeah.
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  Haunted by the boogeyman.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Heavily first.
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  Um, the funny thing about the transmission is it's not something
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  that you really can embrace.
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  You know, it's a, it's just a transmission and the car is more embraceable.
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  And I feel much better about, you know, that I don't think we're
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  going to find the little bastard.
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  I've always felt that it was disposed of, as I mentioned before, nobody
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  really cared about James Dean's car.
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  When I saw it in 1960, it was losing its character.
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  It was falling apart.
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  And I think that it got disposed of by George Barris.
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  Of course he died in November of 2015.
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  And all the facts and all the secrets and all the mystique, uh, went with him.
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  We're going to have to live with that.
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  I think it would be kind of cool though, that if it was found that it could be put
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  back together from the remaining pieces that have been scattered, like bringing it
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  back together, and even if it wasn't, it's never going to be fully restored, like the
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  speedster, but even restored to the point of the accident would be kind of neat.
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  Well, it's something to think about and people do dream about it.
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  And there's been a lot of bogus attempts.
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  To offer a million dollars for, you know, finding the car and somebody had
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  a scam that they felt that it was hidden between two walls in Washington State.
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  That's all been debunked, debunked by private investigators, by myself,
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  by others, but It's It keeps, you know, it keeps this thing going.
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  It really does.
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  Let me know what you find out on that works engineer that was
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  supposedly killed in the factory.
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  Yeah, we, we can do part two.
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  There's always time for more.
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  So a funny thing, coincidentally, our common denominator is Bob Gutierrez.
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  That's correct.
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  I had mentioned that my friend's father's speedster, which I've known for 40
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  years, says I will bring a trailer.
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  You'll take a look at it.
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  And the interesting thing is, uh, Bob saw it and contacted me
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  and said, what about this car?
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  Who, you know, who owns this car?
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  You know, Bob's always looking for something, but he's got a speedster.
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  It's a nice car.
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  Yeah.
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  I remember just between you and I, you know, Bob was his first wife.
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  He was I had a lot of garage space and he was, he had a couple of cars hidden away
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  in my garages because he was not going to tell his wife that he was buying cars.
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  Luckily, Ellen, Ellen is pro car.
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  So, you know, Hey, yeah, no, I definitely, I think he had three cars
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  in my garage at one time, the 914, the white coupe, and maybe the speedster.
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  I'm not sure.
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  I think a lot of people on the Boxster forums, it's really amazing
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  because a lot of Boxsters in Europe.
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  And You know, they just have a whole different mentality about Porsche.
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  They're not used to, they're complaining about how expensive things are.
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  Well, that's just because they're British.
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  But the interesting thing is, they really don't know what
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  the terminology of roadster is.
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  And I said, aside from Gamon, the first 356, the 914 was the second roadster.
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  And people don't get it.
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  It's a two seater.
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  And then someone said, well, how about the Speedster?
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  I said, the Speedster's got two little jump seats in the back.
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  Yeah, two plus two.
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  I used to take my kids back there, you know?
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  And I said, it's not a Roadster.
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  And even though Porsche had a Roadster, it really wasn't a Roadster.
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  They still had those little jump seats.
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  The Boxster is really the third generation of a Roadster.
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  Strictly a two seater.
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  Whereas British cars were always two seaters, you know?
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  Yep.
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  Every time somebody says how much they love their Cayman or their Boxster, I'm
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  glad to see that you finally acknowledged that the 914 was the right answer.
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  I always liked the 914.
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  I mean, you know, people talk about, oh, it's a Volkswagen.
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  No, it's a Porsche.
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  The fact is it saved Porsche, the nine 14, just like the boxer saved Porsche.
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  Well, there's a lot of that back and forth, especially with the 9 24.
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  So the nine 14, yeah, the 9 24.
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  Exactly.
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  So the, the funny thing is, let's face it, BW and Porsche have been tied at
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  the hip since day one, so it doesn't, it's not like, you know, it's a stretch.
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  The nine 14 has a ton of beetle parts on it, and so does the nine 11 and the 3 56.
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  And so does the 3 56, right?
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  Yeah.
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  The nine 14 was designed.
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  By VW, it was built by Porsche, right?
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  It's one of those things, just like the 924 was supposed to be a Volkswagen and
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  what they decided to do instead because it was cheaper than meant than tooling
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  up a new chassis was to take the golf chassis and build a Scirocco as their
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  sport coupe instead, which was some consider a misstep and others consider it
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  the Scirocco cult classic, but it's not.
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  It was powered by a VW, Audi, it was an Audi truck motor of 924, right?
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  So, I mean, it had so many Volkswagen bits in it.
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  It's not even funny and you can cross match them and all that kind of stuff.
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  So they've always been inbred.
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  Let's, let's be serious, but the true Porsche purist, you know, the 911 owners,
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  especially the 911s of the seventies and eighties, they're like, well, if
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  it isn't a 911, it's not a Porsche.
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  And it's like, well, get out of here.
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  You know, Eric, I never felt that way.
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  I had a nine 12 and when I went to join the Porsche club.
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  In 1966, I had like the first nine 12.
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  And so when I stood up and introduced myself.
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  They didn't say anything for a few seconds and they booed me and I saw what they
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  were doing and I said, but I had a 356 and they booed me louder and I said, I,
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  after they got done, I said, you know, who needs this shit and I walked right, right.
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  I didn't come back till 1972.
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  I could have been in the Porsche Club for over 50 years, but it shows
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  you the mentality of what it was.
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  356, 912, not a 912, not a 911.
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  I never looked, you know, I liked the 914s.
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  I mean, the club prospered because they were a 914.
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  And they were good autocross cars.
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  I remember that.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm sorry that I don't own one.
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  And you know, and nowadays they're, well, they haven't climbed as much as some of
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  the other ones have, but the price on a 914 has gotten pretty high these days.
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  But I, I tell, I've told my wife before I said, you know, although we had
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  too many cars, I would love to have a regular one along with this one.
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  It would just, it would be cool to have two fun to drive.
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  Yeah.
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  Just to say I have a stock one and then I have this Frankenstein, right?
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  So, because it's, again, it's impossible to go backwards with this car.
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  It would cost too much to do and it's just not worth it.
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  And I don't know where the original panels are.
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  I'd have to find them, you know, that kind of thing.
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  Yeah.
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  So I, I just tell you, I have a Boxster that I bought first generation.
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  It was, I've got it in Atlanta.
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  Guy was 89 years old.
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  Couldn't do the clutch anymore.
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  Really took care of it.
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  He lived in a heated and air conditioned garage.
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  Took it to the Porsche Parade.
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  I didn't know where all the nooks and crannies were.
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  This car was new to me.
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  But I scored 98 points.
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  I finished second.
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  And I'm taking it to Pocono.
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  And I was, I was wondering.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And I'm going to finish first because that's the kind of guy I want to be.
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  I want that car to be first.
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  And to make mom mad.
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  So after you get first, then you can drive it a little bit.
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  You don't care as much.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  So, you know, just tell you one thing I'm going to be 77.
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  So I took all the wheels off, jacked it up, you know, I'm
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  under there cleaning everything.
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  So, um, so at the end of the first day, I, you know, maybe I did the right rear
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  and I couldn't get up off the ground.
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  I just, you know, I just thought I could stand up.
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  I just was like, Molded to the ground.
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  I couldn't get up.
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  So age is a factor.
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  You got to do everything when you're young.
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  Oh, and since you mentioned, I'll leave you with this.
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  Um, so if you get a chance to go back to the catalog, this episode
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  hasn't come out yet, but I'll send you a note when it does.
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  I got the opportunity took me a year, but I got him.
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  I got him on the line.
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  I got to interview Chuck Bennett, the founder of Zymal.
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  And I tell you what, he has an epic story and some of the cars that he
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  has literally put his own hands on that he's worked on and, and all
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  these, it was, it was beautiful.
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  And to your point about concourse, I mean, he's all about it.
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  And one of his sayings is, Sometimes it's not the car you need.
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  It's the car that needs you.
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  And that's, and that you talk about starting big.
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  I mean, we just open with that.
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  You're like, Whoa.
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  Yeah.
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  The car needed me, you know, because I, even though I'm myopic, I have
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  a good set of eyes, you know, I, I, I see things that could be better.
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  And I said to Portia, I said like Portia really, you know, really
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  got cheap on these parts, you know, they're not going to hold up there.
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  You know, they're, they're dust collectors.
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  You know, they didn't polish them off.
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  They could have done a better job.
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  It's those stories.
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  There's a lot of plastic in the Boxster.
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  I'm not used to that.
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  That's for sure.
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  What's really funny is for the longest time, I was always in
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  love with the car Magia, right?
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  I always thought that was the coolest thing.
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  And again, another beetle based vehicle, whatever.
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  Later I discovered, cause I nerd out on slightly more modern cars and.
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  I found that, you know, everybody's, oh, the 914 is such an ugly duckling,
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  this and that, and the other, and I had this affinity for the Audi TT, the very
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  first ones that came out, and I did a little homework, a little research, and
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  obviously they're based on the Beetle when they reintroduced it, and so was
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  the Golf and all the rest of them that came out during that time period, 98 to,
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  or 97, 98 for the Beetle through 2005.
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  At any rate, I realized what happened there was much like
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  what happened with the 924 story.
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  The TT was actually designed by Volkswagen, and they were going to
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  launch both cars side by side, the Beetle and the Karmann Ghia at the same time.
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  And Audi swept in and said, no, no, no, we need a two door coupe.
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  We need to do this, this, and the other because of heritage and some BS.
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  And we haven't had a two door car since the original UR Quattro.
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  Well, they had the second gen, but it wasn't, you know, wasn't
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  anything right home about.
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  So they swept in and they said, Oh, we'll call it the tourist trophy and blah,
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  blah, blah, which is a terrible name.
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  And they shortened it to the TT.
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  I own a TT.
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  It's a race car.
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  And it's much like this thing.
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  It's a Frankenstein, but there's something about, I always told
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  my mom and she's rode in the car with me before it got ridiculous.
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  You'd get in the car and you'd close the doors.
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  And it had the same feel and actually the same sound and some of the componentry.
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  And she's like, this feels just like the 914.
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  And I'm like, yeah, there's just something odd about this car, you know?
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  And, and so, you know, I've grown into that, but having this back in my life
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  now, it's, it's just, it's been amazing.
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  And I've never given up on, you know, my PCA membership or anything like that.
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  And what's funny is, um, you know, I worked at national and all that stuff for
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  many years and all that kind of thing.
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  So.
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  But I always, I go back to some of these meetings now and people are
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  like, what kind of Porsche do you have?
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  And I'm like, I have a 74 914 and they just look at me like I've
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  fallen off of the moon, you know, the
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  914 had a good run, uh, six years.
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  Well, didn't last as long.
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  No.
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  And you know what?
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  A lot of people are either with the 912V, you know, exactly.
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  And a lot of people are looking for 912Vs right now because they're
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  like, it's a 911, but it has one.
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  Oh, I know.
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  I know.
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  I know who you bought it from someone in the club.
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  Oh, nice.
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  But let me say this.
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  Bob Carlson, who really was a big promoter of Porsche when they were at
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  Nevada, I saw him at his 50th anniversary speech event at Carmel in 2004.
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  And he, and I said to him, who's going to be the caretaker?
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  Who's going to care about Porsches?
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  You know, and he said, well, that's one of my concerns.
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  Unfortunately, he died.
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  But I think that what he was saying was Porsche needs to step back and,
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  you know, care about their older cars.
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  This guy, Schultz, I forgot his first name.
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  He died.
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  He was the president of Porsche.
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  I met him at Monterey and he asked me what I was racing.
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  And I said, I'm racing a 356 Sebring Coupe.
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  Oh, he said, Oh, he said, that's nice.
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  But you know, we're in the business of selling new cars.
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  For a second, he kind of threw me and I looked at him and I said,
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  you know, if it weren't for me, you wouldn't be president of Porsche.
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  And he didn't say anything.
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  I just said, you just remember where your roots are, buddy.
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  You know, I'm racing this car and people are loving it.
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  I'm racing a three 56 and they're loving it.
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  So I think Porsche has come around that mentality.
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  You have to own a new car.
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  No, they're restoring, you know, older cars in it for big bucks too.
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  So they've got restoration centers all over the country, all over the universe.
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  They got seven of them now.
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  Nice.
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  Anyway, I'll let you know when the book comes out.
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  We've got, it's all written except for the final chapter.
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  We've got some administrative problems with France.
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  They've got a, they issued two registrations because
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  somebody dummied up a fake car.
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  And they were stupid enough to, to, uh, send out a certificate on it.
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  Uh, I wanted to mention, I don't know if you went back and listened
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  to any of our other episodes, but I had John Warner the fourth on.
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  And I don't know if you've looked into his book series Little Anton, which
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  deals with the history of the slight, we'll call it revisionist history of Dr.
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  Portia, Dr.
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  Portia senior and all this and World War II and all this kind of thing.
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  You reminded me because we started talking about Paul Newman and he tells
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  the story from the other side from the summit point side in the late
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  seventies and early eighties and you know how he was dating one of Newman's
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  daughters and all this kind of thing.
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  And he was a fantastic guest.
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  But I was going to tell you if you haven't read little Anton, but it's a series.
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  Now there's two books or it's a three, three part because I have the original,
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  he calls them the brick and stick.
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  So there's little Anton, which is a three, Part volume.
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  And then he just released right around Christmastime, Lion, Tiger, Bear,
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  which is the fourth book in the series.
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  I think it's the final book in the series, depending on when you talk to him.
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  But the first book, especially the back history, the way he adds color
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  and builds the universe around Dr.
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  Portia and whatever it's It's awesome.
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  Maybe some of the other stuff, take it or leave it if you like it.
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  But when you hone in on that part of the book, he does a fantastic job,
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  but we talk about it on the episode.
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  So if you haven't gotten a chance, it's definitely a slice in the Porsche
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  universe that you need to check out.
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  Well, it's really unique.
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  You know, first of all, I mentioned that I had a.
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  Porsche at 19.
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  You'd use Porsche.
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  The Volvo dealer sold it.
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  I saw, I was driving by it.
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  I saw it, you know, and they let me have a test drive and we're driving down this
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  windy area, Park Heights Avenue extended.
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  You know, I learned how to drive a Volkswagen with four gears.
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  So I knew, you know, the pattern, but I, but I was a little nervous.
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  And he says, keep your revs up.
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  And so my revs must've been around 2000.
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  He meant downshift, you know, from fourth to third.
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  Well, I was concentrating.
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  I grabbed his knee instead, which was easy to do in a Porsche.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  You know where the gear shift was and he laughed and you know, I was embarrassed.
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  I wasn't embarrassed about, because I didn't think about the sexual
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  condensation of it, I was just embarrassed that it happened.
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  Anyway, that's one story I like to tell, but he also said,
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  you're mispronouncing the car.
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  And I said, what do you mean?
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  He says, it's a Porsche.
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  It's a Porsche.
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  It's a family name.
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  And I never forgot that because half the people in this world
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  pronounce it with one syllable.
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  Okay.
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  When I told my father I wanted to buy the car, he says, you know, it's a German car.
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  Now, I'm Jewish, so, you know, his generation and the generation before, they
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  were still thinking about World War II.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  So, I said, no, dad, they're Austrians.
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  They're Austrians.
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  They just happened to be making a car in Germany.
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  And he said, well, yeah, but he said, didn't he make tanks for Hitler?
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  I said, He was told to make tanks.
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  I said, but I said, Dr.
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  Portia was, you know, in jail.
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  The French incarcerated him for years.
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  So, you know, so that's funny.
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  And I brought that up on the episode.
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  So, so John does a really good job of explaining all this.
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  And he's actually a noted Portia historian, just like you are, you know,
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  obviously from that side of the house.
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  And, you know, he talks about all the people he interviewed and how he built
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  the book and all this kind of thing.
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  And I asked him about that.
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  And if we talked about Porsche tractors, all this, you know, who designed what
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  and all this kind of thing, because Dr.
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  Porsche designed the Beetle very technically designed the later three
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  56, the ones you ran, the Gaman car was by Porsche senior and Bootsy
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  actually designed the nine 11, right?
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  So everybody gets it like one off when you, when you talk to
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  him about it and he clarifies all that and it's, and it's fine.
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  And he goes, so this prison thing, he goes, you want to know why this went down?
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  He explains it and he's like, it's like when they caught Capone for tax evasion,
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  not because of bootlegging and all that other stuff, you know, the racketeering
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  and everything he was involved in, he goes, it went down because of a
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  bad deal between, it's like Peugeot.
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  And something where he designed something and then promises were
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  made and it wasn't delivered because then the Germans occupied Vichy,
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  France and all this kind of thing.
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  And then later he goes, it was a vengeance ploy and they put Dr.
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  Portia in jail.
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  Right?
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  So he lays it all out and I'm just sitting back and I'm just like,
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  all right, but just like you, you have to dispel the myths, right?
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  You have to kind of set the record straight.
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  And I'm just like, Hey, all right.
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  There were a lot of politics.
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  And so.
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  Max Hoffman, you know, tells the story.
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  He introduced Porsche to Studebaker.
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  They wanted a sports car and they made two prototypes for Studebaker.
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  The first one was terrible and it wasn't going to work.
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  What did Porsche get out of it?
• 18:14
  They got over a million dollars, you know, for a future project
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  and that's what they needed.
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  They didn't have any money.
• 18:20
  So Studebaker saved their ass and then Studebaker got bought out by
• 18:24
  Packard and the Porsche idea was gone.
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  It's all politics.
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  And you're a hundred percent right.
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  We interviewed, uh, Sal Finelli.
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  I don't know if you ever met him.
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  He, uh, he's the owner operator of Porsche diesel USA.
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  He bought it outright.
• 18:37
  He owns the, what is it?
• 18:38
  The Porsche diesel corporation that was based in Pennsylvania, all that stuff.
• 18:41
  He's based out of Virginia.
• 18:42
  Anyway, super nice guy.
• 18:44
  We did a whole episode on the Porsche tractors, and it was awesome.
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  Like he goes into all these details, all this stuff, but the same
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  thing, he tells the same story.
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  He goes, you don't realize Porsche was desperate for money and they
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  would do anything because I asked him, I said, you know, Enzo was
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  building tractors, Lamborghini was building tractors, why Porsche?
• 19:03
  And he goes, they were on the verge of bankruptcy every,
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  you know, every other minute.
• 19:07
  So anything they could put their hands on engineering wise,
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  because Porsche had notoriety.
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  He was considered a genius.
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  They were like, Here, go do this, we'll pay you.
• 19:15
  So, they weren't bashful to sign up and say, well, okay,
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  we'll design a tractor for you.
• 19:21
  Well, not only that, but they still had an agrarian society.
• 19:24
  Exactly, exactly.
• 19:25
  Because the World War II flattened them, you know, they didn't
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  have any industry going on.
• 19:29
  Yeah, that's really interesting.
• 19:30
  That's another thing.
• 19:31
  I should have bought a tractor too.
• 19:34
  So what's really funny is we do our monthly news episode and
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  this thing called, we have this thing called lost and found.
• 19:39
  It's this little section and it's always about, you know, maybe like cars that are
• 19:42
  still on a dealer lot that you can buy new today and all these kinds of things.
• 19:46
  And Sal goes, we had him on and we were joking and he goes, I got to
• 19:49
  tell you guys, I have the record.
• 19:51
  Right now he goes, I have a Porsche tractor that has yet to be unsold.
• 19:56
  It's like a 1951 and it's at his shop and he goes, I got all the paperwork and
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  blah, blah, blah, it's all certified.
• 20:03
  But this tractor has never been sold.
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  It is brand new.
• 20:05
  I'm like, damn.
• 20:08
  Michael's the hobby shop.
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  Michael's, are you familiar with that?
• 20:12
  I saw they have a Porsche junior tractor model for sale.
• 20:16
  Oh, that's awesome.
• 20:17
  Yeah, I didn't know that they and it's, you know, it's pretty good
• 20:20
  scale, probably 1 24th scale.
• 20:22
  Oh, nice.
• 20:22
  I'll have to go check that out.
• 20:23
  We have a Michael's nearby that let's say that they're available.
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  It's like 2020 bucks, 25 bucks.
• 20:28
  Really?
• 20:29
  I looked at it.
• 20:30
  I didn't buy it, but I looked at it.
• 20:31
  I said, that's really neat.
• 20:34
  I didn't wonder, you know what you say to that.
• 20:36
  Who in the hell is going to be building a tractor?
• 20:38
  But somebody thought that was a good idea.
• 20:41
  And to your point about like, you know, the transmission being under
• 20:44
  somebody's porch in the middle of California, the same thing.
• 20:47
  I got photos of it, but there's like these parts that are just sitting out there.
• 20:52
  Then did you ever meet Heinz Bada?
• 20:56
  He was a Bruce Jennings mechanic.
• 20:58
  He lived in Boston.
• 20:58
  He was mechanic.
• 21:00
  Okay.
• 21:00
  Anyway, Heinz had a.
• 21:02
  It was renting some property near York, Pennsylvania.
• 21:05
  The park is not that far from York.
• 21:07
  Anyway, he wasn't paying attention.
• 21:10
  It had all the Carrera parts in there.
• 21:12
  Engine parts.
• 21:14
  The roof had a leak.
• 21:15
  Oh, no.
• 21:16
  Everything, everything turned to rust.
• 21:18
  Oh, no.
• 21:19
  He didn't take care of it at all.
• 21:21
  Tens of thousands of dollars worth of parts had to be thrown out.
• 21:24
  Ab Tiedemann, you know, took care of his estate after he died.
• 21:27
  And they went up there and all this, nothing but junk, just all rusted out.
• 21:32
  Yeah.
• 21:32
  Yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there.
• 21:36
  Look, I always tell whoever's riding shotgun, you know, somebody, as we go
• 21:40
  by some rural areas, when someone opens a garage door, you take a look and see
• 21:44
  what's in there, you know, as we drive by.
• 21:46
  There's going to be a Porsche.
• 21:47
  There's going to be something hiding away.
• 21:49
  Yeah, exactly.
• 21:50
  Plenty of cars out there.
• 21:51
  Believe me.
• 21:54
  Well, on that note, Lee, uh, I'll let you get back to it again.
• 21:58
  Thank you for coming on.
• 22:00
  Yeah, definitely.
• 22:01
  All right.
• 22:01
  Listen, it's good.
• 22:02
  Good seeing you.
• 22:03
  Stay well.
• 22:04
  Okay, take care of, take care of all those Porsches.
• 22:07
  Will do, and hopefully we'll see you at one of these events this year, so.
• 22:11
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• 22:13
  It was fun.
• 22:13
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