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Credlin | 9 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Peter Credlin. Here's what's coming up.
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Speaker 2: In a classic case of better late than never, Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanesi announces a special envoy for anti Semitism. Given everything
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Speaker 2: we've seen since October seven, this is certainly needed. But
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Speaker 2: we'll labour now stop playing both sides of the fence
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the issue of anti Semitism. It's
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Speaker 2: time to call out the blatant hypocrisy of so called environmentalists.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to subsidies, they're more than happy to
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Speaker 2: doll out billions for renewables, but when it comes to
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Speaker 2: nuclear well, apparently that's not deserving.
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Speaker 3: Of public money.
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Speaker 2: More on that later, plus dial warnings from two highly
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Speaker 2: respected defense experts that our ADF personnel and bases are
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Speaker 2: at risk from missile attacks and it could take over
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Speaker 2: a decade for our capabilities to catch up.
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Speaker 3: And calls amounting for Joe Biden to.
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Speaker 2: Bow out of the presidential race as his acuity becomes
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Speaker 2: more questionable by the day. We'll go live to the
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Speaker 2: US with Chris Yulman for his assessment of where things stand.
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Speaker 3: But first, how we meant.
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Speaker 2: To feel about the Prime Minister's announcement today that he's
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Speaker 2: appointing a special envoy for anti Semitism. It's obviously good
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Speaker 2: news for Australia's Jewish community, who have for nine months
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Speaker 2: been subjected to daily abuse, threats and intimidation.
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Speaker 3: The appointment of lawyer Julian.
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Speaker 2: Segel, who will provide advice to the government, is a
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Speaker 2: welcome move, But let's be honest, the fact we need
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Speaker 2: a special envoy at all is disgusting. How do we
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Speaker 2: get to a point in this country where we now
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Speaker 2: need special advisors in order to keep a law abiding, peaceful,
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Speaker 2: highly productive section of our community safe. And the fact
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Speaker 2: that took Anthony Albanesi this long to recognize the need, well,
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Speaker 2: that's even worse. It's been two hundred and seventy three
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Speaker 2: days since a mob gathered on the stafeps of the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House to chant gas the Jews or where
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Speaker 2: are the Jews depending on how politically correct your hearing is.
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Speaker 3: That event was shocking in and.
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Speaker 2: Of itself, but what was more shocking was how the
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Speaker 2: Government Council schools, universities, theaters. I could go on allowed
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Speaker 2: things to escalate.
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Speaker 4: The invading Jews we see, but a love.
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Speaker 5: The day you will be kicked out of Palestini is coming.
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Speaker 6: The trees will speak, the stone will speak, and I
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Speaker 6: will say, believer, there is a YAHOODI behind me, Come
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Speaker 6: and kill him.
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Speaker 1: Si fa men.
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Speaker 3: Ha another hum sharp.
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Speaker 2: We've had nine months of this stuff. So here's the Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: the fireman who arrives with his hoes after the building
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Speaker 2: has been reduced to a pile of ash.
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Speaker 7: We have seen since October seven last year, a significant
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Speaker 7: rise in anti Semitism in Australia, and that is why
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Speaker 7: the government has made the decision to appoint a Special
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Speaker 7: Envoy on Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: And accuse this government of many things, what you can
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Speaker 2: never accuse them of is being on time.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister said.
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Speaker 2: The Special Envoy will advise him, which begs the question,
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Speaker 2: advise him on what whether or not hate speech laws
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Speaker 2: should actually be used to prosecute hate speech, whether or
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Speaker 2: not he should, as leader of the country speak out
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Speaker 2: unequivocally against antisemitism. How much advice does the leader of
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Speaker 2: the country need to lead the country How many committees
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Speaker 2: will it take until this government knows what it should do?
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Speaker 2: Just one more, always one more. The government's been pandering
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Speaker 2: to antisemitism for months by letting protesters run riot. It's
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Speaker 2: only now that these same protesters have turned against the government,
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Speaker 2: and after Senator Payment went rogue on him, that the
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Speaker 2: PM has decided it might be time to, you know,
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Speaker 2: protect the Jewish community. Of course, each way, Elbow couldn't
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Speaker 2: announce a special Envoy on anti Semitism without also announcing
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Speaker 2: that he would soon appoint another special Envoy.
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Speaker 7: Shortly, We'll also be announcing an Envoy on Islamophobia. That
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Speaker 7: will be important as well, playing a similar role working
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Speaker 7: with that community to promote social cohesion.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the Prime Minister couldn't even announce a special
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Speaker 2: Envoy on anti Semitism without assuring Western Sydney he would
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Speaker 2: also announce a special Envoy on Islamophobia even when it's
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Speaker 2: the Jews who are being threatened.
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Speaker 3: You can't make it all about the Jews.
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Speaker 2: Multiculturalism will work out just fine as soon as we
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Speaker 2: get enough special envoys. The Prime Minister lamented the role
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Speaker 2: of social media in poisoning the national discourse, which I
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Speaker 2: thought was interesting.
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Speaker 3: Have listened to what he said.
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Speaker 7: The rise of social media has seen people thinking that
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Speaker 7: they can take what are complex issues and convert them
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Speaker 7: into one hundred characters, and to make statements that they
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Speaker 7: never would that they never would face to face.
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Speaker 2: Well, if anyone knows anything about using social media to
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Speaker 2: take what are complex issues and reduce them to simplistic means,
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Speaker 2: it's Anthony Albanezi and his team. This is his Energy
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Speaker 2: minister's take on the complex issue of nuclear power, and
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Speaker 2: this is how his assistant Employment Minister summarized the complex
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Speaker 2: issue of nuclear energy.
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Speaker 3: But I digress.
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Speaker 2: Here's the Prime Minister taking the complex issue of religion
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Speaker 2: and worldviews and converting them into one hundred characters.
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Speaker 3: On his imagined utopia.
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Speaker 7: Australia can be a Michael cosm for the world. People
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Speaker 7: of Jewish, is Islamic, Greek, Orthodox, Hindus, Buddhists, all living
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Speaker 7: side by side, enriched by our diversity, benefiting from the culture,
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Speaker 7: the language, the food, the dancing, the music, the celebration
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Speaker 7: of what we have built here in Australia. What's clear
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Speaker 7: is that we can't take that for granted.
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Speaker 2: Well, sorry, Prime Minister, but you're never going to build
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Speaker 2: social cohesion when you think the biggest difference between cultures
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Speaker 2: is the food, the music, the dancing. Talk about simplifying
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Speaker 2: complex issues. Let's base our immigration program on which cuisine
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Speaker 2: we'd like to try this weekend.
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Speaker 3: God help us.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister finished his press conference with this rallying
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Speaker 2: of the troops.
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Speaker 7: I'm very proud to be the Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 7: We are the best country on earth, but we need
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Speaker 7: to continue to reinforce what are our greatest attributes.
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Speaker 3: And I agree.
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Speaker 2: So you might start with insisting that federal and state governments,
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Speaker 2: councils and the public service on an Australia Day. Maybe
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Speaker 2: Australia needs a special Envoy for Australia. Well, let's head
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Speaker 2: to Camberin now for tonight's political headlines with Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 3: Trudy, thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what's happening today all around the country.
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Speaker 2: This special appointment of an envoy for Anti Semitism. Talk
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Speaker 2: to me about that Jillian Siegel to be in the
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Speaker 2: role for the next three years.
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Speaker 3: What's she going to be doing well? Today?
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Speaker 4: As you heard Anthony Abnez, He's selling this essentially as
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Speaker 4: a part of helping improve social cohesion. I thought it
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Speaker 4: was interesting today he was asked about the opposition push
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Speaker 4: to have an inquiry into antisemitism on campus and on
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Speaker 4: that he doesn't want to go down that path. He says,
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Speaker 4: the answer to that is pointing this Special Envoy. She
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Speaker 4: was asked about it and said, oh, she needs time
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Speaker 4: to find her feet in this role. Also on the timing,
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Speaker 4: the PM revealing today that he actually brought this announcement forward.
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Speaker 4: Why because of this conference next week in Argentina. So
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Speaker 4: our Special Envoy will be going there to represent Australia
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Speaker 4: and so that's why he wanted to get this announcement
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Speaker 4: out of the way.
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Speaker 2: Now, well, this news comes as the Australian Report signs
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Speaker 2: of life at Anthony Abernzi's electric office in the Sydney
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Speaker 2: suburb of Marrickville, which had previously been orbit abandoned.
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Speaker 3: Due to threats and protests.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not clear to me though, whether it's completely
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Speaker 4: back up and running. This has been a long saga
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Speaker 4: for Anthony Aberneze. He did speak about it today in
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Speaker 4: a passing reference, talking about at one point the fact
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Speaker 4: that that upside down triangle had been placed on his office.
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Speaker 4: That her mass symbology that designates a terror target, so
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Speaker 4: pretty offensive things being put around the country. It's more
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Speaker 4: broad than Anthony Arbenze. You've seen this in a whole
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Speaker 4: series of Labor mp office in recent months. The Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister concerned about the fact that impacts every day Ossie's
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Speaker 4: actually getting access to their democratically elected representatives. These are
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Speaker 4: people often who need help with senilink claims getting access
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Speaker 4: to the NDIS and as a result of some of
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Speaker 4: these protest at times, it's actually preventing people having that
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Speaker 4: democratic right.
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Speaker 2: El The fatom of Payment saga continues for Anthony Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: with young Labor branches now calling the senator's treatment a betrayal.
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Speaker 2: The South Wales Young Labor Left will next week host
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Speaker 2: Payment as a special guest at a forum despite her
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Speaker 2: resignation from the party. Truly, the younger generation of Labor
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Speaker 2: members say they're considering ditching the Labor Party if the
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty year old rule prohibiting parliamentarians from
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Speaker 2: crossing the floor remains in place. Now, that's surely a
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Speaker 2: concern within Labor ranks. As we see more and more
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Speaker 2: small parties and independents popping up.
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Speaker 4: Well, they shouldn't hold their breath because I don't think
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Speaker 4: that rule is going to change. It's been there for
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Speaker 4: a very long time. And Anthony Alberanezi, when asked about
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Speaker 4: should it be relaxed a little bit to allow some
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Speaker 4: crossing of the floor, he said, note that the collective
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Speaker 4: remains important. I wouldn't be surprised though about that support
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Speaker 4: for Fatima Payman in the rank and file. We've seen
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Speaker 4: that for months in the lead up to her eventually
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Speaker 4: deciding that she wants to now defect and sit as
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Speaker 4: a cross bencher. There is a view more broadly in
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Speaker 4: the labor movement that what she's done is the right thing.
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Speaker 4: That she was supporting an ideal that was put forward
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Speaker 4: in Labour's party platform that is heavily disputed with MBS
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Speaker 4: here in Canberra, But there is still some good will
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Speaker 4: for her despite the fact that she's defected to the
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Speaker 4: cross bench. There's some good will for her, you'd have
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Speaker 4: to say more broadly in the labor movement.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Staying on Fatima Payman, she's also dismissed claims that her
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Speaker 2: dual citizenship could put her in breach of the constitution,
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Speaker 2: allegations that arose following her resignation from Labor and seemingly
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Speaker 2: coming from inside Labor.
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Speaker 3: What's your take on.
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Speaker 4: That, Well, these were comments she made on breakfast television
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Speaker 4: yesterday morning. This is that practice of backgrounding, as it's called,
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Speaker 4: where people speak to you. They don't want to put
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Speaker 4: their name to it, but they're willing.
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Speaker 3: To talk about it.
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Speaker 4: The citizenship stuff though, to me, it was actually raised
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Speaker 4: before the last election in twenty twenty two, so it's
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Speaker 4: not like it's a new issue. But this just shows
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Speaker 4: you what's happened when people decide to essentially defect from
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Speaker 4: their party, some of their colleagues may not be too
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Speaker 4: happy about it and happy to give oxygen to those
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Speaker 4: sort of issues. As for her actually renouncing the citizenship,
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Speaker 4: she says she tried to. It's very difficult with the
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Speaker 4: Taliban now empowered to actually formally do that, so it
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Speaker 4: would ultimately be up to the High Court, but it
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Speaker 4: seems unlikely it would actually get there.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this on the issue of Senata payment.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Anthony Albanezi is now regretting not having
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Speaker 2: dealt with this firmly right at the beginning because he
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Speaker 2: sort of went soft on it, and now this just
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Speaker 2: continues to be an ongoing issue for him.
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Speaker 3: God knows when it's going to end.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think no, he would say that restraint was
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Speaker 4: the right approach. Initially, they wanted to do everything they
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Speaker 4: can to not be shown to immediately punish a young
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Speaker 4: Muslim senator from Western Australia. Ultimately she chose to leave
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Speaker 4: and that was probably the most tenable thing going forward.
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Speaker 4: She couldn't continue to just keep.
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Speaker 3: Crossing the floor.
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Speaker 4: The numbers of this in the Senate are fascinating, but
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Speaker 4: it's not a problem now for at least five weeks.
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Speaker 4: We've got a big midwinter break, so when that comes back,
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Speaker 4: there'll be a renewed focus on her, particularly on government legislation.
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Speaker 4: She says she's going to look at every piece, piece
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Speaker 4: by piece. So it makes the mathematics of getting anything
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Speaker 4: through the Senate much more difficult.
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Speaker 3: It certainly does well.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi turned down an invitation to meet with world
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Speaker 2: leaders at a NATO conference this week so you could
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Speaker 2: focus on domestic affairs, one of those being the roll
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Speaker 2: out of his cost of living relief measures from July first.
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Speaker 2: But According to the latest official lending figures, the average
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Speaker 2: home loan has hit a record high of six hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty six thousand dollars. That's driven largely by soaring
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Speaker 2: prices in Brisbane and Perth. So while that's great use
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Speaker 2: for homeowners looking to sell, it puts home ownership further
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Speaker 2: out of reach for many other Australians, particularly young Australians,
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Speaker 2: which as yesterday's News poll showed, there the people Labor
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Speaker 2: are struggling with.
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Speaker 4: And this is a huge election battleground. Make no mistake
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Speaker 4: about it. All three parties, the Coalition, Labor and the
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Speaker 4: Greens are vine for this crucial cohort of younger rozsi's
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Speaker 4: who were basically stuck out of the housing market. They're
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Speaker 4: trapped in that vicious renting cycle.
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Speaker 8: We know.
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Speaker 4: The Coalition says they've got more to come in the
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Speaker 4: housing policies ahead of the election, think of beyond superannuation
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Speaker 4: dipping in using that thea deposit. Labor will need to do.
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Speaker 3: More on housing.
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Speaker 4: And the Greens, not so focused on climate change all
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Speaker 4: the time anymore, they too are making a big play
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Speaker 4: for that younger cohort when it comes to that fight
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Speaker 4: over renters that we see the PM quite unhappy with
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Speaker 4: Max Chandler, mayther a lot in this parliament.
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Speaker 2: Trudy McIntosh and camera, thanks so much for your time tonight. Well,
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Speaker 2: I want to return to the energy miss we find
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Speaker 2: ourselves in and the debate over the best way to
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Speaker 2: get out of it. Despite mounting evidence that the renewables
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Speaker 2: roll out is sluggish and nowhere near the government's ambitious targets,
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Speaker 2: labor persists in their folly and remains steadfast in their
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Speaker 2: opposition to even debate what sort of role nuclear could play.
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Speaker 2: I was pleased, though, to read a brilliant piece in
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Speaker 2: The Australian Today from energy analyst Sorkovonic, someone who isn't
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Speaker 2: partisan or playing political games, calling for nuclear to be
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Speaker 2: part of the conversation. Kavonic has rightly highlighted the hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: of much of the left when it comes to their
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Speaker 2: aversion to nuclear power. He wrote that while happily throwing
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Speaker 2: good money after bad for renewables quote, many green activists
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Speaker 2: have been co opted by the commercial interests of the
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Speaker 2: renewables lobby or is it just blindly conforming to party
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Speaker 2: political position. I'm pleased to say Sorcovonic joins me. Now, Saul,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. The left hasn't given a second
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Speaker 2: thought to the market manipulation of green subsidies, and yet
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Speaker 2: now seem to be our aged about the possibility that
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Speaker 2: government could fund nuclear power. This is hypocrisy written large,
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Speaker 2: isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Well? Unfortunately, we are seeing a very hypocritical position from
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Speaker 1: the green left side of politics on this. The reality
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Speaker 1: is that nuclear is the best environmental option of any
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Speaker 1: generation technology, right and we can go through the reasons
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Speaker 1: for that, but it includes that the life cycle footprint
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Speaker 1: for nuclear is much much smaller on our environment than
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Speaker 1: it is for renewables. Nuclear doesn't take anywhere near it
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Speaker 1: require anywhere near as much mining of base mantles, battery mantles,
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Speaker 1: iron ore and coc and coal that renewables does. Also,
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of talk about obviously the waste
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Speaker 1: of nuclear which needs to be stored, but that's quite
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Speaker 1: minuscule compared to the huge challenge we're going to have
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Speaker 1: with recycling and disposing of large masses of renewable energy,
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Speaker 1: particularly batteries where there's a lot of toxic elements involved,
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Speaker 1: and we're seeing wind turbine graveyards.
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Speaker 5: Ands of what do we do with all of this material?
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Speaker 1: So when you actually look at it from a pure
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Speaker 1: environmental perspective, nuclear is a lot better at much high density,
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Speaker 1: much lower footprint, and obviously from the reliability point of view,
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Speaker 1: it's synchronous, it's dispatchable, it works twenty four to seven
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Speaker 1: unlike wind and solid. But it also works all through
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Speaker 1: the year on a seasonal basis, which even hydro can't match.
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Speaker 1: So when you put these things together, you should think
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Speaker 1: that true environmentalists should support nuclear.
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Speaker 2: I just want to take you up on the funding
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Speaker 2: issue because I think it's really important for viewers to
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Speaker 2: understand just how much the renewable sector is propped up
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Speaker 2: by subsidies, particularly if the labor government is going to
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Speaker 2: criticize nuclear power on the basis that it would need
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Speaker 2: to be goment funded. So let me ask you this,
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Speaker 2: could renewables projects actually stand on their own two feet
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Speaker 2: in this country without government help?
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Speaker 1: Well, the truth is some projects can, and some projects cuts.
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Speaker 1: The problem we have with the market today is there's
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Speaker 1: been so many interventions, so many various levels of subsidies,
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Speaker 1: and the most recent one is Chris Bowen's custody investment scheme.
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Speaker 1: But we can go back through multiple programs over the
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Speaker 1: last decade, including rats. Even now we've got subsidies of
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Speaker 1: caual fire generation by state governments.
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Speaker 5: So the roundings.
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Speaker 1: We've seen so much meddling in the market from policy
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Speaker 1: makers going back fifteen years that we're now facing a
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Speaker 1: real train wreck in our energy system where we're struggling
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Speaker 1: to invest in generation of any type right just to
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Speaker 1: meet current demand levels. So we really need all of them,
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Speaker 1: but all of the above kind of position on energy
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Speaker 1: technology to meet the rise in demand we should expect
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Speaker 1: from electrification of our economy, and that means not ruling
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Speaker 1: out any type of technology, including nuclear. And the truth is,
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Speaker 1: you know, we do need to have a very genuine
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Speaker 1: debate about the cost and time frames from nuclear and
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Speaker 1: how that competes, but we also need to have that
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Speaker 1: very honest debate about the time and cost to the
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Speaker 1: rollout of renewables. And just as an example, in the
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Speaker 1: last two years, the pace of growth of renewables in
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Speaker 1: Australia has hit record lows despite us having some of
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Speaker 1: the most pro renewables governments at both the federal and
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Speaker 1: state level, so you can see it's increasingly challenging to
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Speaker 1: get renewables rolled out. It's almost impossible to invest in
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Speaker 1: new call today or even gas. And when you're styming
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Speaker 1: nearly every technology type, we run the risk of falling short.
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Speaker 1: And that risk is only going to grow by twenty thirty,
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Speaker 1: twenty forty and even twenty fifty. And that's why nuclear
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Speaker 1: could play a really good role to add that extra
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Speaker 1: engine there to help close that gap, to make sure
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Speaker 1: we've got greater reliability and diversity in our power our
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Speaker 1: system in the decades ahead.
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Speaker 2: So one of the big criticisms of the Coalition's plan
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Speaker 2: is it's just going to take too long. Now, you
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Speaker 2: wrote in your column in The Australian about realistic time
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Speaker 2: frames for the rollout of nuclear energy. Just talk to
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Speaker 2: me about that. What would a realistic schedule look like.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think the coalition plan is talking about having
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Speaker 1: nuclear up and running as early as twenty thirty five,
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Speaker 1: if we want to be realistic and based on analogues
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Speaker 1: of nuclear projects that have happened around the world. Given
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Speaker 1: the early standing start we have in Australia because we've
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Speaker 1: currently got a ban and so don't have really development
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Speaker 1: of much of a nuclear industry at all, We probably
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Speaker 1: need a bit longer than that. I think twenty forty
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Speaker 1: would probably be a more realistic timeframe for first start
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Speaker 1: of a nuclear actor, assuming we had a policy enabling
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Speaker 1: nuclear beginning next year. But that's still even with that
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Speaker 1: additional five year extension to that window, there could still
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Speaker 1: be this very strong and genuine role for you to compete.
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Speaker 1: Given the pace of rollout of renewables and then increased
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Speaker 1: lack of investment in coal is going to mean we
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Speaker 1: could fall short by twenty forty and twenty fifty in
20:10
Speaker 1: our generation mix. And that's why we really need to
20:14
Speaker 1: get the ball rolling. And it's where it's perhaps both
20:18
Speaker 1: damaging to see some of the green side of politics
20:21
Speaker 1: oppose the mere idea that we can discuss nuclear and
20:24
Speaker 1: want to shut it down here. And that's where the
20:29
Speaker 1: hypocrisy of this green side of politics comes out. And
20:32
Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot of our environmental organizations, and don't get
20:35
Speaker 1: me wrong, there's some fantastic environmental organizations in Australia who
20:39
Speaker 1: do really really great work, but then increasingly being crowded
20:42
Speaker 1: out by more extream sides, by more extream organizations who
20:46
Speaker 1: are competing for funding dollars who are more interested in
20:51
Speaker 1: these green organizations are more interested in having anti nuclear positions,
20:56
Speaker 1: anti fossil fuel positions, way Palestinian flags, and implementing anti
21:05
Speaker 1: business policies than actually delivering environmental outcomes. Yeah.
21:08
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's really.
21:10
Speaker 1: Hard to find a green activists these days see more
21:12
Speaker 1: interested in planting headlines in the media than treesing the
21:15
Speaker 1: ground anymore. And that's what leads us to this very
21:19
Speaker 1: anti scientific shutting down at the nuclear of debate we've
21:22
Speaker 1: seen today.
21:23
Speaker 2: Well, Sorkovonic, I appreciated your common sense in the Australian newspaper.
21:28
Speaker 2: I hope some of that common sense makes its way
21:30
Speaker 2: to Canberra. Appreciate your time tonight, Thank you well. After
21:35
Speaker 2: the break, dire warnings from defense experts that our ADF
21:38
Speaker 2: personnel and bases are at serious risk from missile attacks.
21:42
Speaker 3: More on that soon.
21:44
Speaker 2: Plus we'll go to the US amid growing calls for
21:46
Speaker 2: Joe Biden to exit the presidential race.
21:48
Speaker 3: All of that coming up in a moment. Welcome back now.
21:55
Speaker 2: I want to return to something we discussed briefly last night,
21:58
Speaker 2: the procurement of US government made switchblade drones. Don't get
22:02
Speaker 2: me wrong, these drones are much needed, but this barely
22:05
Speaker 2: scrapes the surface when it comes to addressing the deficiencies
22:09
Speaker 2: in our defense force capability. There were fresh warnings this
22:12
Speaker 2: morning from two of the country's most respected military commanders
22:16
Speaker 2: that ADF personnel and key bases are vulnerable to missile
22:20
Speaker 2: attacks for at least another decade unless the government can
22:23
Speaker 2: find more money for air defense systems. I'm pleased to
22:27
Speaker 2: say one of the men who has sounded the alarm
22:29
Speaker 2: is former Chief of Army Peter Lahy, and he joins
22:32
Speaker 2: me now, Peter, thanks for joining me. Last year's Defense
22:35
Speaker 2: Strategic Review urgently called for what it said was a
22:39
Speaker 2: layered air and missile defense capability. So why are we
22:44
Speaker 2: still seemingly on the back foot?
22:48
Speaker 9: Well, James, I think it's a simple fact. There's no money.
22:51
Speaker 9: We've seen testimony and senators just recently where defense officials
22:56
Speaker 9: said they had to reprioritize money and the budget and
23:00
Speaker 9: do this johin Air Battle Management system in two parts.
23:04
Speaker 9: First one is to what they've called get the brains
23:07
Speaker 9: and then wait for the technology to catch up and
23:10
Speaker 9: get the sort of capabilities that they want. Now, it
23:13
Speaker 9: doesn't make a lot of sense to me, it's a
23:15
Speaker 9: bit like one of those Yes Minister shows we have
23:17
Speaker 9: a lovely hospital with no patients. If you're going to
23:21
Speaker 9: have a full capability to protect our vulnerable north, you've
23:26
Speaker 9: got to make sure that you've got both the command
23:28
Speaker 9: and control systems but also something to shoot. And it
23:32
Speaker 9: looks as if we're going to have to wait for
23:33
Speaker 9: a bit longer before we've got a full system that
23:36
Speaker 9: will provide the sort of protection that we need.
23:40
Speaker 2: Obviously you've mentioned the funding, but just talk to me
23:43
Speaker 2: about the whole procurement process when it comes to our
23:46
Speaker 2: defense forces, because that seems to be broken.
23:51
Speaker 9: Funding is really important. After Tanger, Secretary Defense, a legendary
23:56
Speaker 9: secondary of defense, said unless you've got a budget, you
23:59
Speaker 9: can't have a strategy. But I think there's also too
24:02
Speaker 9: many players involved in this. It's a very cumbersome system
24:06
Speaker 9: and I had to look at it back in twenty
24:08
Speaker 9: fourteen as part of our first Principle's Review of Defense.
24:13
Speaker 9: I thought we'd fix some of the things, but there's
24:15
Speaker 9: an absolute adverse relationship with risk. As I've said, there
24:20
Speaker 9: are too many players. People will have a look at this.
24:22
Speaker 9: You've got to do this study. You've got to do
24:24
Speaker 9: that study. So there's no real sense of urgency, and
24:27
Speaker 9: there should be because the DSR and the rhetoric we're
24:31
Speaker 9: hearing from our politicians and others that this is the
24:34
Speaker 9: most dangerous strategic circumstance we've faced since before the Second
24:39
Speaker 9: World War. So I think we've got to get this
24:41
Speaker 9: thing really revved up and realize that it's getting close.
24:46
Speaker 9: We need protection, and we need it now. And these
24:49
Speaker 9: things can't be brought overnight, the sort of things and
24:52
Speaker 9: people will see iron dome in Israel and patriot missiles
24:56
Speaker 9: and so on. There just aren't enough of them now.
24:58
Speaker 9: And if we want to get in on an order system,
25:02
Speaker 9: we should be thinking about it now and doing something
25:04
Speaker 9: decisive now.
25:06
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the strategic situation in
25:08
Speaker 2: a moment. But there's this continual frustration there has been
25:12
Speaker 2: for years with the ill equipment of our defense forces.
25:17
Speaker 2: Is this a government issue, whether it's coalition or labor,
25:21
Speaker 2: or is it a defense bureaucracy issue.
25:23
Speaker 3: Where's the problem here?
25:27
Speaker 9: Oh, I think they're all cumfortable, James, certainly government. They
25:31
Speaker 9: seem to want to wait and wait and wait. The bureaucracy.
25:35
Speaker 9: As I've just explained, it's risk averse. It's got process
25:39
Speaker 9: after process, but the ultimate is the National Security Committee
25:43
Speaker 9: of Cabinet. They're busy and nearly everything that comes to
25:48
Speaker 9: defense has to go through there. So there's delays getting
25:51
Speaker 9: things put forward there. There's delays in different views through
25:55
Speaker 9: the department, and it's a really difficult period, particularly as
26:00
Speaker 9: the warning time, as we've been told, has pretty well
26:03
Speaker 9: gone away, and we're watching China and others and these
26:08
Speaker 9: autocracies around the world. We're seeing them really test us,
26:12
Speaker 9: test the West, test, NATO testing ORCUS at the moment.
26:17
Speaker 9: So I think we just need to really get a
26:19
Speaker 9: sense of urgency about this and get stuck about doing something.
26:23
Speaker 9: But I mentioned the budget. We talked a while ago
26:27
Speaker 9: about guns and butter budgets. You need a gun budget
26:31
Speaker 9: because the threat is there, and you need a butter
26:33
Speaker 9: budget to look after the welfare of the society and
26:36
Speaker 9: the community. I think we've got that balance out of
26:39
Speaker 9: kilter at the moment. We need more money. Sadly, we
26:42
Speaker 9: need more money for guns, and we have to think
26:44
Speaker 9: about how we look after society and community.
26:48
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about why we need more money for guns. Historically,
26:51
Speaker 2: I guess most of us have thought, you know, we
26:53
Speaker 2: can use our isolation to our strategic advantage, but clearly
26:57
Speaker 2: that's changed. Can you explain to you as how the
27:00
Speaker 2: strategic landscape now necessitates a more advanced missile defense system
27:04
Speaker 2: for example.
27:07
Speaker 9: Well, the first point is technology is killed geography. It
27:10
Speaker 9: used to be and it was three or four days
27:12
Speaker 9: to sail here or do something like that. Now missiles
27:16
Speaker 9: into continental ballistic missiles, intermediate range missiles and so on,
27:20
Speaker 9: they can cover the territory really quickly. And if you
27:23
Speaker 9: look at some of the lay down in the maps,
27:25
Speaker 9: we can see that the DF twenty six, which is
27:28
Speaker 9: an intermediate range missile from China, and we see that
27:32
Speaker 9: on their parades, and it's a very sophisticated missile. It's
27:35
Speaker 9: got a range of about four thousand kilometers. China's now
27:40
Speaker 9: on mischief reef. That range would get you to Broom, Darwin,
27:44
Speaker 9: Catherine and a number of other places. So the technology
27:48
Speaker 9: has brought it closer. Also, we've got this fact that
27:52
Speaker 9: the Chinese bomber aircraft, the H six, is one of
27:56
Speaker 9: the variations. It's got a range of one thousand ki.
28:00
Speaker 9: So you put the missile on one of these things
28:02
Speaker 9: on mischief Reef. It can fly down to just north
28:05
Speaker 9: of Java, and now a whole new range of Australian
28:09
Speaker 9: cities are in range. And we've also known for a
28:12
Speaker 9: while that American and Australian joint bases such as Pine
28:16
Speaker 9: Gap legitimate targets for longer range missiles. So technology and geography,
28:23
Speaker 9: we're also looking at new types of attack vectors space,
28:28
Speaker 9: and we're also looking at cyber and we know cyber
28:31
Speaker 9: really takes care of both time but also distance. So
28:34
Speaker 9: it's a new range of threats and we have to
28:37
Speaker 9: cope with them.
28:38
Speaker 2: I mentioned at the start our acquisition of drones, which
28:41
Speaker 2: was announced yesterday, but it's been pointed out that killer
28:45
Speaker 2: drones have been used for many many years now, and
28:47
Speaker 2: I mean even the Hooki rebels have them in the
28:50
Speaker 2: Middle East. Why is Australia, a first world nation so
28:53
Speaker 2: far behind.
28:56
Speaker 9: It's hard to explain that one. I think, as you've explained,
28:59
Speaker 9: it's really important that we look after ourselves and the
29:03
Speaker 9: attack capabilities. But we haven't yet had the real discussion
29:06
Speaker 9: about the counter drone capabilities. We've seen them all over
29:10
Speaker 9: the place and we should expect that they'll be deployed
29:13
Speaker 9: against us, so we really have taken too long to
29:16
Speaker 9: get to the point, and I think we really need
29:19
Speaker 9: to recognize that this switchblade drone, the one that we're
29:24
Speaker 9: talking about, is not a big drone. It's not a
29:28
Speaker 9: very capable drone. It's not going to change the battlefield
29:32
Speaker 9: when we introduce it in many ways. It only ways
29:35
Speaker 9: a bit over three kilos I think, and that includes
29:38
Speaker 9: the explosive device inside it, so it's really only an
29:43
Speaker 9: anti personnel drone, an anti personnel weapon, so I'm not
29:47
Speaker 9: sure how it would be deployed. We really need to
29:49
Speaker 9: think now about what are the bigger ones we need,
29:52
Speaker 9: Where do we get the range from them? And importantly
29:55
Speaker 9: also how do we get the targeting information? This is
29:58
Speaker 9: going to be important for some of the longer range
30:00
Speaker 9: stuff coming to Army and two Air Force. Where do
30:03
Speaker 9: we get the targeting so we're now going to hit
30:05
Speaker 9: the target. I like what we're seeing in Ukraine where
30:08
Speaker 9: it's scattergat all over the place. We're just starting to
30:12
Speaker 9: dabble in drones at the moment. We need a lot
30:15
Speaker 9: more work and I think importantly we need to be
30:18
Speaker 9: paying attention to Australian industry. I know there are some
30:22
Speaker 9: manufacturers out there who are making drones, who tried to
30:26
Speaker 9: get them into the inventory of the ADF. I don't
30:29
Speaker 9: seem to be having much luck as this one's coming
30:32
Speaker 9: now as a US drone, and I think we need
30:34
Speaker 9: to be careful that we nurture these types of industries
30:37
Speaker 9: and others, because I do talk to people in industry
30:41
Speaker 9: who say, listen, it's too hard. We're going offshore. It's
30:44
Speaker 9: just just too difficult to get a sail into the ADF.
30:48
Speaker 2: They're so many areas of concern. Peter Lahy, thanks for
30:51
Speaker 2: your time tonight. Well after the break, we'll go live
30:54
Speaker 2: to the US where Chris Human is waiting to speak
30:56
Speaker 2: with us. He's there for important Australia America leadership dialogue.
31:01
Speaker 3: Plus Chris will give me his take.
31:02
Speaker 2: On the mood in DC as the US election fast approaches.
31:06
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, welcome back, Well still to come.
31:12
Speaker 2: Why removing Joe Biden might not be as simple as
31:15
Speaker 2: some are making out. But first, this week, the important
31:19
Speaker 2: Australian American leadership dialogue is going on, given the growing
31:23
Speaker 2: hostility in our region from China and the precarious nature
31:26
Speaker 2: of the ORCHEST partnership. Reaffirming the commitment between our two
31:30
Speaker 2: countries has never been more important. Kredlin regular Chris Ullman
31:34
Speaker 2: is in the States for the dialogue, and I'm pleased
31:36
Speaker 2: to say he joins me now, Chris welcome. The threat
31:40
Speaker 2: China posers to Australia is pretty obvious. But given it's
31:43
Speaker 2: not such an immediate threat to the US, is it
31:46
Speaker 2: still top of mind over there in these discussions.
31:50
Speaker 3: Oh?
31:51
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, James, it's top of mind. The leisure dialogue
31:54
Speaker 5: hasn't started, obviously, ORCUST will be at the top of
31:56
Speaker 5: the agenda here. It's a private initiative, so it's conducted
31:59
Speaker 5: behind closed doors. But I've been catching up with people
32:01
Speaker 5: in dcs and contacts since I got here. And one
32:05
Speaker 5: of the things that you can say about Washington is
32:08
Speaker 5: there is a biparthicing consensus on one thing. That one
32:12
Speaker 5: thing is the threat posed to the United States across
32:15
Speaker 5: a whole range of issues by by China. So there
32:20
Speaker 5: is by partnership support for that. Here they're watching Australia
32:24
Speaker 5: quite closely because, of course the United States is getting
32:27
Speaker 5: up the Crown Jewels and that's its nuclear submarine technology
32:30
Speaker 5: to Australia, along with a whole lot of other things
32:33
Speaker 5: and they're watching Australia's stands at the moment and wondering
32:36
Speaker 5: whether or not we're serious. They're wondering whether or not
32:39
Speaker 5: the amount of money we're putting towards the defense shows
32:41
Speaker 5: that we're serious about the strategic threat that Peter was
32:44
Speaker 5: talking about. There's a complete disconnect there that's been noticed
32:47
Speaker 5: in Washington. They asked us to send a ship to
32:50
Speaker 5: the Red Sea, of course, to deal with the who
32:52
Speaker 5: ths we're interrupting trade traffic there. We were unwilling or
32:56
Speaker 5: unable to do that, and just recently we're only now
32:59
Speaker 5: going to apparently send a three hundred and twenty personnel,
33:02
Speaker 5: one ship and one plane into Rimpac, which is the
33:06
Speaker 5: biggest defense exercise run by the United States. So there's
33:10
Speaker 5: a level of disquiet about in Washington about where Australia stands.
33:15
Speaker 3: So is support for the Orchest partnership still rock solid?
33:20
Speaker 5: It absolutely is. This is something the United States wants
33:23
Speaker 5: to see succeed. So both sides of the Isle, as
33:25
Speaker 5: they say here, both Republicans and Democrats are right behind this,
33:30
Speaker 5: but they are questioning whether or not we're right behind this,
33:33
Speaker 5: And I think that that is something that they've noticed
33:35
Speaker 5: about the well the rhetoric coming out of Canberra as
33:40
Speaker 5: we're trying to settle our relationship with China, we're not
33:43
Speaker 5: actually making a loud enough declaration to our own people.
33:46
Speaker 5: If you like that. That's where the strategic threat lies.
33:49
Speaker 5: With the Primeatercy. You'll often here talk about the great
33:51
Speaker 5: strategic threat since the Second World War. It doesn't really
33:55
Speaker 5: articulate what that threat is now. If the Australian people
33:58
Speaker 5: are going to be up for funding this, they need
34:00
Speaker 5: to know the nature of the threat and what we
34:03
Speaker 5: find ourselves doing at the moment's being caught betwixt and between.
34:07
Speaker 5: We're trying to straddle to very difficult partners, but the
34:12
Speaker 5: United States has expectations as well, and if we don't
34:15
Speaker 5: meet those expectations then I think that you will find
34:17
Speaker 5: that the support for aucas here might begin to waiver
34:20
Speaker 5: a bit.
34:21
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this on that theme.
34:24
Speaker 2: The US is about to share their nuclear technology with US.
34:28
Speaker 2: Obviously that's top secret. What's the chatter about Australia's Prime Minister,
34:33
Speaker 2: of course, taking a phone call from Juliana Salms the
34:36
Speaker 2: moment he lands in Australia, Kevin Rudd walking him through places.
34:42
Speaker 2: Has that got any bearing on the US confidence in
34:46
Speaker 2: us to keep secrets and.
34:47
Speaker 3: To be trustworthy partners.
34:50
Speaker 5: Well, James, you put your finger right on it. This
34:52
Speaker 5: was mentioned to me specifically yesterday by an American who
34:56
Speaker 5: watches this very very closely and understands that you wanted
35:00
Speaker 5: to get a sange back, that that had gone too long.
35:03
Speaker 5: But the song and dance around the welcome back of
35:05
Speaker 5: Thessiane was noted in Washington. Don't forget. What he was
35:09
Speaker 5: charged with was giving up US secrets. The thing that Australia,
35:13
Speaker 5: the case that we make to a Australia to the
35:15
Speaker 5: United States, is that you can trust us more than
35:17
Speaker 5: anyone else. We are the safest of security partners. And
35:21
Speaker 5: then they see us not just welcoming back Juliana signs,
35:24
Speaker 5: but making a song and dance about the fact that
35:26
Speaker 5: we're welcoming back Juliana signs someone that they wanted to
35:29
Speaker 5: charge with stealing their most precious secrets. So that was
35:33
Speaker 5: absolutely noted here.
35:35
Speaker 2: The other thing I'm wondering if they've noted, is our
35:38
Speaker 2: debate over nuclear energy.
35:39
Speaker 3: I mean, we're going to get nuclear.
35:41
Speaker 2: Subs, but the infantile debate we've had here with government
35:45
Speaker 2: ministers posting photographs of three eyed fish.
35:49
Speaker 3: Has that made any waves over there?
35:53
Speaker 5: Not on that front. But one of the other things
35:55
Speaker 5: I'm doing here is because I'm doing a documentary for
35:57
Speaker 5: the Sky on the energy transition. I've been catching up
35:59
Speaker 5: with people in the States about the debate here. Of course,
36:03
Speaker 5: the energy transition is happening everywhere around the world. You
36:06
Speaker 5: know what's happening here here They've got really cheap gas
36:09
Speaker 5: and they're basing any renewables that they're putting onto the
36:12
Speaker 5: grid on the basis that they have that cheap gas,
36:15
Speaker 5: something that we don't have in Australia. And the long
36:18
Speaker 5: run effect of having something like nuclear energy is that
36:20
Speaker 5: it gives you base load power, something that wind and
36:23
Speaker 5: solar does not do.
36:24
Speaker 8: So.
36:24
Speaker 5: In conversations yesterday with people who are charged with running
36:27
Speaker 5: these systems in the United States, they're looking at us
36:29
Speaker 5: with great interest and thinking that the system that we're
36:32
Speaker 5: putting in place a will not work and will be
36:35
Speaker 5: massively expensive. And James, this is something that people need
36:38
Speaker 5: to discuss. The cost of the system that we are
36:40
Speaker 5: building will be the problem that we face, not the
36:44
Speaker 5: cost of nuclear which is down the track now. Even
36:46
Speaker 5: if we were going to do that. That is expensive.
36:48
Speaker 5: That is a long run thing. In the end it
36:49
Speaker 5: will become necessary for the kind of power that we
36:52
Speaker 5: will need to run a modern economy. But the fact
36:55
Speaker 5: of the matter is the system that we are building
36:57
Speaker 5: is both inexpensive. It is both expensive and will be
37:02
Speaker 5: extremely difficult to manage. So we need to have a long,
37:06
Speaker 5: hard look at what we are building and the cost
37:09
Speaker 5: of that, and that will be reflected in your bills.
37:11
Speaker 5: And so this is the thing the government will not
37:13
Speaker 5: be able to run away from, James, is the fact
37:15
Speaker 5: that you can spin as much as you like, in
37:18
Speaker 5: the end, you can't battle with physics. And that's the
37:20
Speaker 5: way the grid has actually run. And the economics of
37:23
Speaker 5: this will speak for themselves in the power bills that
37:26
Speaker 5: everyone will get. And there will be no future made
37:29
Speaker 5: in Australia if we are both a high wage economy
37:32
Speaker 5: and a high energy cost economy. And that's the track
37:34
Speaker 5: that we are on.
37:36
Speaker 3: Very good point.
37:37
Speaker 2: Just going back to our security arrangements with the US.
37:40
Speaker 2: Obviously a second Trump presidency looks likely and Trump harbors
37:45
Speaker 2: a would you say, general antipathy for security agreements such
37:48
Speaker 2: as NATO. How safe is orcus if Trump is elected
37:54
Speaker 2: to the White House.
37:56
Speaker 5: I guess that's a question. We'll have to wait and see.
37:58
Speaker 5: Last time. Of course, the Zanes managed the Trump relationship
38:02
Speaker 5: really quite well, and because also he sees the world
38:06
Speaker 5: in a very mercantile way, and all he cares about
38:08
Speaker 5: with trade is that the United States does better out
38:11
Speaker 5: of it in his worldview than whatever country he's training with.
38:15
Speaker 5: In Australia, of course a trade deficit with the United States,
38:19
Speaker 5: and so that played reasonably well. Look, I think that
38:23
Speaker 5: the issue with Trump is those large relationships we're seeing
38:26
Speaker 5: NATO is gathering here at the moment in the United
38:30
Speaker 5: States support the seventy fifth anniversary of that meeting, a
38:33
Speaker 5: very big meeting, the promise that wasn't vited. Of course
38:36
Speaker 5: it isn't coming. The Defense Minister Richard Marles is here
38:39
Speaker 5: to stand in for him. But these relationships are absolutely important.
38:43
Speaker 5: And there are things that Donald Trump questions, of course,
38:46
Speaker 5: questions the amount of effort that the countries of Europe's
38:49
Speaker 5: put in, and that's really his issue with NATO. So
38:52
Speaker 5: if he gets the idea that Australia is not putting
38:55
Speaker 5: the effort in that is required or the money and
38:58
Speaker 5: that's required to be a partner that's going to get
39:01
Speaker 5: the nuclear submarine technology from Australia, then I'm pretty sure
39:04
Speaker 5: he probably will start to question that relationship as well.
39:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Human, thanks for your time, especially given us
39:12
Speaker 2: very early in the morning over there.
39:14
Speaker 3: So I really appreciate it for sure.
39:16
Speaker 2: Towards all right, well, after the break, we'll get some
39:19
Speaker 2: insight into what it would actually take for the Democrats
39:21
Speaker 2: to roll Joe Biden, as if Jill lets.
39:24
Speaker 3: Them, it might not be as easy as you'd think.
39:32
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in my panel for tonight to discuss
39:34
Speaker 2: some of the big international stories. Skyne Is contributor Kosher
39:37
Speaker 2: Gada and former Labor MP Michael dan Be Kosher, Michael, Welcome.
39:43
Speaker 2: There's jowing calls for Joe Biden to drop out of
39:46
Speaker 2: the presidential race following his shocking debate performance. Few people
39:50
Speaker 2: believe he can beat Donald Trump, and even if he does,
39:53
Speaker 2: fewer people believe he could actually.
39:55
Speaker 3: Serve out another term.
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Speaker 2: The President decided to hit back at critics by phoning
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Speaker 2: in into MSNBC's Morning Joe program. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has
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Speaker 2: weighed in on whether he thinks Biden will drop out
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Speaker 2: of the race.
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Speaker 8: Take a look, I'm getting so frustrated, but by the
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Speaker 8: leap now I'm not.
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Speaker 1: Talking about you guys, but by the elite in the party.
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Speaker 7: Who they know so much more.
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Speaker 9: But then in these days, I don't think I should.
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Speaker 8: Run against me, And he's got an ego and he
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Speaker 8: doesn't want to quit. I think Jill would like to
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Speaker 8: see him stay. She's having a good time. I noticed
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Speaker 8: she really seems to be having a good time. And
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Speaker 8: I'm hearing that Hunter is calling the shirts it's hard
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Speaker 8: to give give it up that way, the way where
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Speaker 8: they're trying to force amounts.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to Trump in a second, but kosher Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden insists he's not going anywhere. But talk to me
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Speaker 2: about the scenario where the Democrats might decide they want
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Speaker 2: him gone. What would the process look like and how
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Speaker 2: difficult would it be?
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Speaker 10: Now, it won't be pretty, and since there clearly is
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Speaker 10: no consensus at all in the party or even beyond that,
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Speaker 10: it won't be easy. There's only two approaches chains to
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Speaker 10: how this could work if Biden does not voluntarily step down,
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Speaker 10: which as of tonight seems to be the way in
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Speaker 10: which he's headed. One is you force him out and
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Speaker 10: there are only two constitutionally prescribed processes to do that,
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Speaker 10: either impeachment or the twenty fifth Amendment, which many are
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Speaker 10: calling that. Actually that is more important than the election.
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Speaker 10: Right now, the commander in chief of the most powerful
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Speaker 10: military in the world is infirm, and so therefore that
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Speaker 10: twenty fifth Amendment would have to be invoked. That requires
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Speaker 10: the vice president and a majority of his cabinet to
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Speaker 10: agree with that. Most likely as of now, nobody's showing
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Speaker 10: the appetite to do that, but that lever is available
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Speaker 10: to them. The other pathway is where they create competition
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Speaker 10: at the convention or even after the convention. There's a
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Speaker 10: mechanism to do that, and within that there's two approaches.
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Speaker 10: Either it could be an open convention, which will not
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Speaker 10: be pretty at all. The last time that happened in
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Speaker 10: nineteen sixty eight, riots broke out ironically in Chicago itself.
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Speaker 10: Or they can do these backs room smoke filled room deals.
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Speaker 10: And that's another thing that's getting some discussion right now
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Speaker 10: that that could happen as well. Nobody knows. This is
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Speaker 10: why the batting market's very fascinating. On July fifth, we're
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Speaker 10: saying that he had a seventy percent chance of being ousted.
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Speaker 10: And today it's flipped and Biden is back in the
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Speaker 10: box seat, and the betting markets are saying seventy percent
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Speaker 10: chance he steers in. Nobody knows what's going to happen,
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Speaker 10: and buckle up. It's only going to get more and
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Speaker 10: more intense.
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Speaker 3: Buckle up, all right, Michael.
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Speaker 2: We heard a little bit from Trump there, but it
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Speaker 2: must be killing Donald Trump because it seems like all
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Speaker 2: he's really got to do is just keep quiet. But
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Speaker 2: that must be the hardest thing in the world for
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 11: That's a perceptive observation, James. That's what is surprising about
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Speaker 11: this whole post debate debate, and that is how disciplined
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Speaker 11: and how relatively quiet he's been. He's apparently got a
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Speaker 11: new deputy communications, a woman leader, who has convinced him
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Speaker 11: to stay more message disciplined, and if he does, I
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Speaker 11: think we're going to see a change in presidency. The
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Speaker 11: swing states have been added to with Virginia and Wisconsin
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Speaker 11: now swinging over to Trump. I just saw them on
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Speaker 11: Fox before we came on. And it keeps going like this.
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Speaker 11: The Democrats are sunk, and particularly people who are senators
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Speaker 11: of congressmen are going to be dragged down if Biden
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Speaker 11: is still the candidate.
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Speaker 2: Now, it should be no surprise to anyone to learn
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Speaker 2: journalists have been covering for Joe Biden for quite some
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Speaker 2: time now. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd says a
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Speaker 2: Biden campaign aid contacted her and asked her to remove
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Speaker 2: one of Biden's verbal gaffes from a column that she'd written. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: W the Radio has cut ties with the host who
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Speaker 2: revealed she was fed questions by the White House for
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Speaker 2: Biden's first post debate interview. Here's what that was all about.
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Speaker 9: The questions were sent to me for approval.
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Speaker 5: I approved to them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So the White House sent the questions to you
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Speaker 1: ahead of the interview.
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay.
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Speaker 1: They got several questions, eight of them and the four
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Speaker 1: there were children were the ones that they approved.
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Speaker 3: Michael.
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Speaker 2: I thought the point of post debate interviews was to
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Speaker 2: demonstrate to all of us that no, no, no, Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: is fine. But if you're hand feeding journalists the questions
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Speaker 2: you want him to answer and then prepping him, that
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Speaker 2: doesn't really prove that he's fine, does it.
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Speaker 11: It proves the opposite. Never been impressed with Kerren, Jean Pierre,
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Speaker 11: the whole communications team is hopeless. This is another example
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Speaker 11: of failure to understand the very nature of why people
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Speaker 11: are upset. The only good guy on their team is Kirby,
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Speaker 11: who seems to know at least about military or strategic affairs,
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Speaker 11: but even he's been dealt a bad hand in having
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Speaker 11: to explain Joe's capabilities at the NATO summit. Can you
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Speaker 11: imagine those world leaders going along and discussing future aid
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Speaker 11: to Ukraine with a person who's being openly discussed in
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Speaker 11: the US media is infirm and will who will not
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Speaker 11: be even the candidate a week hints.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, great point, Koscher. Let's go to the UK
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Speaker 2: where the Tories suffered an election blood bath at the weekend.
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Speaker 2: What was your reaction to the UK result and what
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Speaker 2: changes do you expect to see under Keios Starmer's Labor leadership.
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Speaker 10: Historic worst ever defeat for the Tories. Everybody was predicting it,
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Speaker 10: and the predictions in this case obviously came true. They
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Speaker 10: obviously have received competition from the left losing to Labor
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Speaker 10: and from the right with the rise of the Reform Party,
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Speaker 10: which is only going to continue to be ascendant and
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Speaker 10: for Kurres Starmer's government. You know, same thing. They've got
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Speaker 10: a different but it's the same side of the coin,
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Speaker 10: or the flip side of the coin, I would say,
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Speaker 10: in that they also have the makings of a lot
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Speaker 10: of unrest and disagreement within the left, as we see
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Speaker 10: in many countries around the world. They've got such a
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Speaker 10: big majority now that there's lots of people from the
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Speaker 10: far left, including his own pal Jeremy Kroobyn in there,
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Speaker 10: who are going to agitate and push for him to
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Speaker 10: move further to the left and then also back to reform.
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Speaker 10: While they only got five seats, they can play the
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Speaker 10: role of agitator in parliament, and they did get fourteen
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Speaker 10: percent of the popular vote, so they're only ascendant and
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Speaker 10: there he's going to have to navigate both sides of
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Speaker 10: that as well, on everything from spending to Israel and Gaza,
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Speaker 10: and it's going to be really interesting to see how
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Speaker 10: he walks out take.
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Speaker 11: But Kosher Jeremy Corbyn was expelled from the Labor Party
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Speaker 11: and he's going to have no influence on qs Darma.
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Speaker 11: We spent two years purging all of these Corbynite proha
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Speaker 11: must fanatics from the Labor Party to make himself acceptable
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Speaker 11: to the British public. That's why he got four hundred
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Speaker 11: Sea because he was so strong. And that's a message
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Speaker 11: for Elbow James that you keep your nerve, stare down
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Speaker 11: these people, and the great mess of average Aussies will
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Speaker 11: support you. The votes in Queensland and regional New South
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Speaker 11: Wales are more important than in the Inner West.
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Speaker 2: Well we'll see if Anthony Albanezi takes heat of that message.
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Speaker 3: Michael, that's the UK.
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Speaker 2: Go to France for a second, where protests have erupted
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Speaker 2: on the streets of Paris after the election result there,
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Speaker 2: which saw the Left win most of the seats but
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Speaker 2: failed to achieve a majority. Were you surprised by the results.
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Speaker 11: I can't believe it because of the anti immigration sentiment
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Speaker 11: is very strong in France. But I have a prediction
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Speaker 11: that Macron's party, which ran second, will try and split
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Speaker 11: off some people from the Popular Front who are more moderate,
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Speaker 11: just that socialists, not the far left. Melcon is particularly unacceptable,
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Speaker 11: is as bad as the far right, and the Old
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Speaker 11: Republicans might come on board too, So I could see
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Speaker 11: how Macron could post Olympics construct a coalition of moderate
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Speaker 11: right moderate or relatively moderate left and his own party
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Speaker 11: and constitute a majority in the National Assembly.
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Speaker 2: Kosher, we saw some vision just a moment ago of
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Speaker 2: the rioting on the streets of Paris.
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Speaker 3: I've got the Olympic Games in a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: How's that going to go.
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Speaker 10: That's going to be interesting. I'm sure they're going to
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Speaker 10: have their riot police and other people out there in
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Speaker 10: full force. But you know, that's another thing, just like
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Speaker 10: in the UK, that there's so much division right now
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Speaker 10: in the countries and that's going to manifest out in
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Speaker 10: the streets. Unfortunately, France certainly has a history of that,
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Speaker 10: so in some ways it's not surprising.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course the Olympic Games is your opportunity
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Speaker 2: to showcase yourself to the world. It's not exactly the
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Speaker 2: image the French would be wanting to present at this time. Kosher, Michael,
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Speaker 2: thanks to both of you for your time. Well that's
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Speaker 2: it from me, but stick around. Coming up right now
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Speaker 2: is Andrew Bolt with the Bolt Report.